Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

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Did somebody say feedback?

>>52236328
I can't bring myself to hate any ork player because they're normally a barrel of laughs to play against. Even if you end up stomping them. I unironically hope the army gets better in 8th.

As SM, is it worth allying in an Astra Militarum Platoon as a meatshield?

GW pls give us a new Armageddon campaign that includes formations and models for orks, and a set of formations for the Black Templars that don't require $120 in non-Templar models, as well as a plastic Grimaldus

>>52236355
No because your shit is always better.

Why have a meat shield when you can just pay for units that actually kill other things?

>>52236353
Because Tyranids are an apocalypse army. The larger the points the better Nids get

>>52236344

Exalted Sorcerer has a Force Weapon instead of a Force Sword and may replace
all of his wargear except for his Force Weapon and Aura of Dark Glory with Chaos Terminator Armor and an Inferno Combi-bolter for 25 points

Keep in mind this is the same price a normal sorceror pays, while the exalted does not gain the 5++ due to having it already

Tzaangors
All models have Auto-pistols and Chainswords by default
make them cheaper but dont take an option you can build with the kit (i.e. 2melee weapons) away. its bad for compatibility

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Oh hey, I looked up rules for GT's and other tourneys like Ard Boyz and FW greater daemons are allowed to be used as generic greater dameons as long as they're on the 100mm base
I don't have to use shitty GW models!

>>52236355
Skitarii Vanguard are better screens than guard blobs

>>52236395
Do you really go to so many tourneys that it matters?

>>52236411
I'm not playing pick up games with a Kairos Be'lakor doublestar list

>>52236405
Vanguard aren't just screeners, they outright kill shit on their own.

>>52236411
Some people ONLY have tourneys as a viable local scene to play with. I know my area is mostly tryhards that literally do not enjoy casual play or unsanctioned matches.

>>52236427
I agree but with marines you can only really afford to kit out one squad with two calivers and another squad with arc rifles with the rest bare

>>52236425
With the way the power creep is recently i wouldn't be surprised if you had to.

All these new Cult Mech and Tzeentch players really don't understand and are confused when games against my Nids end in tabling by turn 3.

I might have to take 3 FHT and 2 Crones just to have games.

>>52236430
I feel sorry for those people.

>>52236446
Do whatever the fuck you want dude you play nids
If I fielded doublestar against Nids I would 100% let my opponent take an extra 500 points and if they didn't have it they could proxy with my own models

>>52236377
That's completely wrong though. Nids scale really badly at high points values.

>>52236462

They aren't so bad with GSC allies... :[

>>52236446

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Tj-Lanigan-12th-Overall-Adepticon-2016.pdf

Isn't completely terrible if you want pure 'nids.

I echo >>52236482 though, GSC even if its just Purestrain spam is useful.

>>52236446
I never take less than 2 hive tyrants and a hive crone in any game.

>>52236504
>Isn't completely terrible if you're in the top 2% of godly Warhammer tacticians
Fixed that for you

>>52236522

desu 40k is kind of a braindead game half the time, especially in casual settings. Especially in ITC where the maelstorm objectives are castrated and standardized.

>>52236466
If you're not focusing on running the flying circus it isn't. Yes the flying circus at its point level is the most effective use of points and win games. It's also the most boring use of your points, but it wins.

However the apocalypse formations and the amount of points you get to just throw out. Especially at Dakka Carnifexes in broods. Their relics are less of a killing blow to your bottom line. You can actually justify the Swamlord and Tryon Prime without auto losing.

>>52236462
They're just boring units. Uninteresting play as you thumb your nose to units without Sky fire.

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>>52236536

>mfw I love Screamers and Tzeentch daemons and sorcerers on discs and LoC and the Magnus model

>im a horrible powergaming faggot if I ever try to take them together

>>52236569
I know that feel.
Just don't take Magnus

>>52236569
To be fair Magnus is a Lord of War and you have to calm down and not blow that load everyday.

However doesn't everyone have a Knight now? Not even being sarcastic.

>>52236535
Maelstrom is terrible and you should feel bad if you like it.

>>52236580

I don't even have the model yet, but I playtested him and it made some folks salty as hell.

>>52236584

I accidentally have three knights and I didn't even mean to get Knights in the first place.

>>52236588
>And Tau, Necrons, Ad Mech and Eldar overlords look down upon the lower tiers as they fiddle their new play toy they're so fond of

>>52236405
>>52236427
>>52236445
So I should rather throw two units of Vanguards in a Skitarii Maniple and give each unit either Arc Rifles or Plasma Calivers? Anything else worth taking while I'm already fiddling with Skitarii? Ballistarii, Dunecrawlers?

>>52236603
Their stupid bi ped walkers are have a crazy damage potential, low price and super mobility.

Dune Crawler is the best AA in the game.

>>52236603
Dunecralwers are pretty great with either the Neutron Laser or Icarus Array. Depends on what you need though, if you need anything from them at all. Ballistarii are meh, Dragoons are pretty good though. It's pretty funny when they get locked in combat with units that can't hurt them.

Plasma Calivers are pretty powerful but they're expensive and have a pretty high chance to kill their user unless you're using Imperatives to boost the shooter's BS or have them in a dominus maniple for twinlinked shenanigans.

>>52236625
You know, I don't hate the eradication beamer vs infantry blobs. Obviously you can't kill a tank with it, but sometimes you know you're not against any tanks.

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How's a Kill Team of Kommandos with Snikrot?

Also, Boss Snikrot was actually BUFFED in the 7e codex, unlike most other units.

>>52236635
It's not terrible, but generally I can put out enough hurt with just Vanguards or even taking the extra heavy stubber along with the Neutron laser to kill blobs pretty easily. Though if you know you aren't going up against anything with a lot of armor or toughness the beamer is probably a lot more point efficient.

Do you allow forge world rules in casual games?

Everyone says "but anon, it's balanced and legal" if it's so balanced then why did you have to special order it from the UK when there are perfectly good models in your regular codex?

>>52236599

I play CSM and Blood Angels actually.

;_;

>>52236653
>if it's so balanced then why did you have to special order it

>implying 'vanilla' 40K is balanced to begin with

kek'd and checked

>>52236569
Cute sluts!

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>>52236666
>6666

Shieeeeeeeeeeeeet chaos magic

>>52236653
>if it's so balanced then why did you have to special order it from the UK when there are perfectly good models in your regular codex?
Several codexes don't contain any Lords of War at all, other armies have either old or outright bad codexes populated almost entirely with useless garbage and have to look to forgeworld if they want to be equivalent to actual good armies.

>>52236680
I'm talking about stuff like the Sicaran and Storm Eagle.

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>>52236666
these are nice quads

>>52236672

>when you are so new you don't know any of the old 40k meme characters

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>>52236653

Because Rape-Murder-Torture Eldar are 2edgy and Chastity-Ritalin-WAAC Eldar are not edgy enough. But Pirate Eldar? Just right. Oh, so right.

>>52236694
You said "forgeworld", you didn't specify anything.

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a friend of mine quit 40k, and let me have some of his models..

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So, i've almost finished assembling the models in this list and about to run it for the first time on Friday. What do you all think? Any improvements?

>>52236729
I only see cute filthy sluts!

>>52236774
Doesn't the Cadian Battlegroup have to have one of the core formations?

>>52236729
I remember when an entire board would get triggered by simply mentioning memes. The fuck happened?

>>52236783

Yes, and the Tank Command is one of the mandatory choices. Taking it alone is fully legal, to my knowledge.

>>52236694
What is more unacceptable, a sicarian battle tank or Ynnari?

I thought you guys were meming that Nids are shit.

Jesus fuck, even the codex makes fun of them and all of the lore is just them losing over and over again.

>>52236788
Apparently you can take just one "command" choice and 0-3 core choices for each command choice. Which is... weird.

>>52236815

Yeah, exactly. Heavy AT for the list with no tax. Sounds good to me.

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>Tau'nar Supremacy Suit gets added to TTS
>it looks like pure ass
a-at least I won't have to proxy it anymore

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So a friend of mine is giving me his khorne daemons to paint and assemble his ultramarine army.

I'm getting 40 bloodletters, a deamon prince, and a bloodthirster plus the khorne deamonkin codex. Assuming I'm gonna play 1850, what would be a good next thing to pick up for tournaments?

>>52236813
Now try building a tyranid army list then come back and report your findings.

>>52236831
Riptide Wing

>>52236831
Tzaemons

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thoughts?

>>52236393
Noted. How much do Captains/Chaplains pay for Terminator armor?

As far as Tzaangors go, it's either the Autopistols cost points and will therefore never be taken, or they don't cost points and they're always taken. One option is obsolete either way.

>>52236846
Why the two extra rangers in a squad?

>>52236856
had 25 points to spare

>>52236846
Drop the rangers for more vanguard, each vanguard should have 2x arc rifles+omnispex.

Destroyer better with plasma, and Sicarans with the Omniscience mask instead of Pater radium.

Why aren't you playing Age of Sigmar? If you care about balanced tournament games it is clearly the better choice compared to 40k right now.

>>52236860
Then spend them on more special weapons on the vanguards and maybe an omnispex.

Or drop them all together and take more vanguards.

Basically Vanguards are significantly better than rangers.

>>52236868
why arc rifles instead of plasma, wont that create problems against dudes with good armor saves? i mostly play against orks and guard so i genuinely dont know

>>52236874
>play Nids in AoS
>they are still shit
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>52236812
Ynnari, a Sicaran is just a cool tank and something Chaos desperately needs while loyalists have stronger stuff anyway.

>>52236884
Having one squad of vanguards with plasma isn't terrible, it's just that the plasma calivers are expensive as hell and you've got the kataphrons to fuck up guys with good armor saves. Plus vanguards shit out wounds so at worst you just dump wounds on them until they fail their saves. If you're really worried about guys with good armor saves keep the grav on the kataphrons and swap out the icarus array for a neutron laser. The Icarus array is really good but it's only good if you know you're fighting someone with fliers or skimmers.

>>52236874
I play infinity if I want a tournament game.

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>tfw my favorite armies, aesthetics and lore-wise, are either mid to shit tier gameplay-wise

>>52236874
Current 40k is balanced if you only play Demons, CSM, Eldar, Necrons, SM, or Tau. You might make an argument for removing Demons and Eldar from the list for being too strong.

If you're playing any other codex, you're only in it for the lore, miniatures, sunk cost fallacy, or the hope that next edition will throw you a bone.

>>52236949
>Welcome to the CSM side of 40k

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>>52236841
Cute, but no looking for kdk advice, I've seen that goretide seems to be the hot thing to usually take 30+ fleshhounds and some bikes, what else is recommended beyond that?

>>52236949

>tfw DEldar, CSM and 'nids

end my suffering

>>52236952
This is the kind of retarded opinion that you get when your entire perception of 40k is based around /tg/ shitposting.

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On a Knight Crusader is it better to take the Thermal Cannon or Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon?

>>52236963
>Ork and IG

I'll end your suffering if you end my suffering.

>>52236599

>Necrons, Ad mech and Tau
>Not Daemons, Dangles and Vanilla Marines

>>52236898
I think this pretty much settles the answer to the question of forgeworld balance in casual games.

If people are allowed to take shit like Ynnari everyone else gets to take forgeworld shit.

>>52236569
Tzeentch Daemons are only problematic when you spam summons and/or run a 2++ deathstar. Everything else is perfectly fine for casual games. Oh, and don't use that dumbfuck new Split rule (as if real people actually own the scores and scores of Blue and Brimstone Horrors necessary.

Just save Magnus for when others bring Lords of War.

>>52236992

Unfortunately it seems we can only kill each other if the game lasts more than 6 turns and we roll perfectly on every single turn. Fugg :DDD

>>52236898
Chaos already gets Sicarans, just grab IA13. You also apparently get FIRE RAPTORS.

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>>52237033
>problematic

has anyone tried Eternal War?

glad i didn't drop the full 60 on it to get early access a year ago, because as of today the game is still unpolished as f****

>>52236992
>Only nids
Someone please end mine before you get started.

>>52237052

Eternal Crusade is okay, its gradually gotten better but it definitely shows that it was an Early Access title forced into launching live a year early.

>>52237039
It's okay to use words even if people you don't like also use them.

>>52237039
>getting triggered because someone used a word that's also used by people you don't like

>>52237074
>being triggered because of a word people known for being triggered like to use

>>52236820

I think it's because TTS rips models and textures from Dawn of War II where the Taunar doesn't exist. You're not looking at a Taunar, you're looking at a nightmare Frankenstein hodge-podge of Tau parts mashed together in an attempt to approximate a Taunar.

Blood Angels player - is it better to use drop pods or fast vehicles?

Drop pods go where you put them but leave your units exposed.

Fast vehicles cost more but shield your units and jump pack guys as they advance up the board.

>>52237074
Does this mean I can say nigger again?

>>52237084
There's actually a number of custom models for TTS. There's just only a handful of people doing them.

What are the elite type armies?
Like smaller model count and each unit packs more of a punch and stuff

>>52237088
You've always been able to say nigger. Just remember, it's generally not socially acceptable to call people racial slurs.

>>52237084
>I think it's because TTS rips models and textures from Dawn of War II
Some people do that, but there are actual modellers putting out a lot of models. Another pack has a fully custom XV107.

>>52237097
Space Boys

>>52237097
Almost all codexes have a way of doing that. Even Nids can spam Flyrants and other MCs.

>>52237074
>>52237083
>triggered

cutedogphoto.jpg

Am i doing it right

>>52237102
The fact that GW hasn't invested a few thousand dollars into producing 40k DLCs for TTS boggles the mind.

I mean it doesn't really considering GW policies in general, particularly considering the way they've always considered video games using their own IP as being competition, as opposed to being opportunities to sell things. That and their total lack of awareness of the world outside of their own company.

>>52237103

FOR DA CHAPTER KLAN
FOR DA THRONE-BOSS
SUFFER NOT DA XENOS TER BE UNKRUMPED
WAAAAGH

>>52237097

Deathwing
Death Company (Blood Angels)
Deathwatch
Grey Knights
Imperial Knights

Also almost every single Codex can go full elite mode
>Seerstar/Wraith Eldar
>Flying giant 'nids
>Full tank IG
>Haemonculus Covens DE
>Battle Suit Tau
>etc etc

>>52237103
Yeah I figured mehreens and suit tau would fit the glove.
Though the gks are sucky despite being the elitist of the marines

>>52237123
They'd sooner make their own client than have to share profits with some indie dev.

And they use the same argument that TCGs proved wrong in the 90s; having a digital version of the game would cut directly into sales for the physical product.

Grav Centurions, Space Wolves, Imperial Knights, Tau, Tyranids (hue) and Ravenwing are the only elite armies that aren't shit.

There's probably some more I forgot.

>>52237097
>not playing thousand Sons
>not fielding a 1500 army that's just six marines on surfboards

>>52237141
Except they can't make their own client because they don't have their own studio anymore.

And like I said, I understand completely why they won't do it, they're just wrong.

>>52237152
They can pay literally anyone to do it. They basically own Relic at this point.

>>52237158
They don't comprehend the world outside of themselves as a miniatures manufacturer, so having ideas about digital products simply won't happen.

>>52237128
Neat thanks
I can't really decide what to collect or invest into. I don't wanna bother with tons of models.
Was thinking Tau and marine of sorts collection cause I think they're cool

>>52237142
Flying Circus builds often start light on bodies, but they also multiply in soze every turn.

Thousand Sons Ahriman's Exiles builds also aren't completely shit. They do okay in casual settings.

How do you nid players do it?

I can barely bring myself to paint a squad of 10 before I have to do something else

>>52237224
I have a lot of monstrous creatures.

>>52237101
you nigger

>>52237142

That's a dumb post. A Minotaurs CC-based with grav back up army will absolutely fucking destroy almost all regular SM cheese armies. Context is important. Also Imperial Knights is a completely shit army if your opponent knows what you're bringing and tailors his list.

>>52237204

People here will probably call you a faggot for running either of those but they're not bad choices. Look into Farsight Enclaves for Tau. For Muhreenz look at Grey Knights, Ravenwing, Deathwing, any SM army with heavy relic saturation (Minotaurs, Carcharodons, Relictors, etc etc).

>>52237242
I am offend

Anyone got any info on Fires of Cyraxus book? I wanna my Hazard suits to stop being shit.

>tfw night lords are now a biker legion

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>>52236831

So we got Eldar and Dark Eldar...
What about... guys, pay attention now.
What if we made a Eldar faction...
That is full of idiots?
And I mean like, legit fucking retarded, downs-syndrome elves in space.
Redneck Eldars flying around in tractors in the Webway.

>>52237303
you mean exodites?

>>52237310
Not fucking redneck and retarded enough

>>52237303
But we have imperium of man already...

>>52236991
The avenger is better at anti armour than the TC and it's counter intuitive in regards to range. Definitely take the RFBC

>>52237319

Won't Ordinance force it to fire snap shots for everything else?

How do Reserves work in Kill Team?

>>52237324
No, super heavies ignore ordnance penalties.

>>52237324
Super Heavies ignore the penalties of ordinance.

>>52237317
NOT ELVISH AND REDNECK ENOUGH
I WANT FUCKING ELDAR DRINKING ELDAR MOONSHINE AND PLAYING ELDAR BANJOS IN SUCH WAYS THAT OTHER ELDAR WOULD CUM ALL OVER IT

>>52237324
>implying BS matters with template weapons
A single high S melta shot isn't worth it.

>>52237263
>A Minotaurs CC-based with grav back up army

That's not an elite army, and I never said the list was of "elite armies that have no counters". Minotaurs don't even have a single tournament top anyways, I could tell you have no idea what you're talking about the moment you said CC.

>>52237313
they can be

>use catachans with eldar heads/helmets, paint their vests like lumberjack shirts and the pants like jeans
>make them ride dark eldar saurians instead of jetbikes
>paint their banners like confederate flags
>use grav ork trukkz fro tanks/transports
>call them Ye Olde Narri

>>52237263
>Also Imperial Knights is a completely shit army if your opponent knows what you're bringing and tailors his list.

Are you fucking stupid? This applies to every army including Eldar.

>>52237325
They don't. Read nigga read.

>>52237346

>Tourneyfag

Consider sudoku you humongous faggot.

>not an elite army

>Moloc + Assault Termis + Vanguard Vets + Centurions is not an elite army

you get like 30 dudes at max

>>52237263
Neat didn't know about enclaves
Thanks

>>52237350

Except IK is literally Flow Chart: The Army

>Did you enemy tailor list
>If yes you lose in 2 turns
>If no you win in 2 turns

>>52237347
Holy shit, not that guy but I love this idea soooo much. Power Banjoes, straw hats, angry doggoes, longstanding feud with them varmint orks

>>52237379
How would an Eldar hillbilly talk like?

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Any suggestions on how I could improve my list?

>plays 40k only for the tyranids
>literally doesnt care about anything except tyranids.

Can someone post the Kill Team rules?

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>>52237423

Pretty sure it was in one of the OP links but whatever. Here you go, anon

>>52237439
Danke. Now to make my Ork Kommando Team lead by Snikrot!

>>52237417
Don't use tacticals, use scouts and as few as possible
Don't make a 2 wound model your warlord
Drop the whirlwind for a knight crusader with an avenger gatling cannon and rapid fire battle cannon. It'll do a better job at anti air.
There's more but I'm not familiar with DA

Ork, Nid and Sister players need to fucking DIE

>>52237465
Neck yourself. Orks are incredibly iconic and make some of the most amusing war reports.

>>52237459
Doesn't that make it a little to WAAC? I think one knight already pushes it a little too far

So do we know Roboot Guilemens plan for the Imperium? How did the Ecclesiarchy react to finding out their existence is a lie? Do any of these questions have answers? Played back in 5th but just now heard that Guilliman's back. Has he done anything yet or is his kinda-resurrection-thing all we know about?

>>52237473
Crash it with no survivors

>>52237473
>How did the Ecclesiarchy react to finding out their existence is a lie?
Except Guilliman accepts their blessings because they make a more useful ally than an enemy.

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Yvraine is cute.

>>52237483
Ya but like... that can't last, right? Its literally one of the biggest insults to the God-Emperor. For fuck sake, they worship Lorgars book.

>>52237473
Can they declare Guilliman traitor? So the imperium fight itself and stops messing with the Greater Good at least for some time?

>>52237489
Dismantling the Ecclesiarchy would take centuries if not millennia. Guilliman isn't even going to attempt to bring them down because as soon as he tries the Imperium is getting ripped asunder. There are far bigger things to deal with than the Ecclesiarchy.

>>52237486
This is actually hilarious.

>>52236729
I know the rest but whos the SOB?

>>52237471
I'm saying swap the knights or don't include them at all and instead ally skitarii for vanguard, infiltrators and onagers with dependable anti air.

>>52237035
Yes that was what I was saying, chaos desperately needs cool tanks and denying them the Sicaran would deprive them of that.

>>52237494
I mean... they COULD, but why would they? He's one of the God Emperors sons, I imagine it would lead to the ecclisarchy tearing itself apart.

>tfw we actually found a reason why Sisters are getting squatted

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>>52237486
No she isn't.

>>52237494

>One of the Emperor's Sons, the ones we've been calling Saints for 10,000 years and whose visage is on every cathedral in the Imperium, has returned to us!
>Wait, he's actually a traitor! Bring us his head!

Aside from it making no sense for them to do this, the Ecclissiarchy has tried pulling shit before (Vandire, looking at you) and the rest of the Imperium isn't going to let them do it again. If there were actually high ranking Ecclisarchs insane enough to declare Gulliman a traitor, they'd be either assassinated by the Inquisition or assassinated by their own church.

>>52237486
Why is she acting like that?

>>52237486
>Get thrown away from the Craftworld.
>Get thrown away from the Corsairs.
>Ends up in Commoragh.
>And what does she do? In the city that is cesspool of greaters freaks she STILL MANAGES TO MAKE WHOLE CITY WANT HER DEAD.
>Horde of retards still goes and follows her. (gotta be hell of an ass she got)
>Breaks the biggest Craftworld into pieces.
>Goes and resurrects fucking mutant mon-keigh leader of the xenophobic empire that wants your race dead for no reason.
Like seriously, could be there be worse leader in the universe?

>>52237568
Ynarri codex when?

>>52237558
Even if the ecclesiarchy managed to convince the high lords of tera that he's a treat to their power and that it would be a good idea to declare him a traitor for whatever reason it would cause a gigantic civil war within the imperium.

>>52237303
I though you were talking about Ynnari for a second there.

>tfw can't decide whether to take my Space Marines or Sisters of Battle to a game today

>>52237579
When what?

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>>52237486
Reminds me of pic related

Oh is this one of those threads where people can't admit to being shit and blame the codex

>>52237607
Then you're behind the curve.

>>52237639
where was somebody doing that?

>>52237639
here is your (you)

>>52237664
>Clicked Post by mistake
Is it new? Is it old? I can't find it on the site.

>>52237676
It was a christmas bundle/battleforce

>>52237676
Pretty sure it was released when the Deathwatch codex came out and then it got removed.

>>52237681
>>52237685
I see. Thank you.

>>52237584

>The Fortress World that protected the Imperium for 10,000 years has fallen!
>Better cause a gigantic civil war!

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>>52237561
Pic related.

Noob 'ere
As a SM, how much and which kind of AA should I bring? Hunters or Stalkers? Should I ally in something like a Dunecrawler?

>>52237719

Under normal circumstances there's not a lot of point to taking anti-air unless you can switch it off again and hit ground targets too.

The ideal Space Marine anti-air solution is the Deredeo Dreadnought.

>>52237719
Stalkers are more versatile, even if just because shot volume and twin-linked mean it can still reliably score a hit or two on a ground target when there's no flyers.

>>52237738
>>52237741
So should I ask my local club whether they're okay with Deredeos and if not just go for like two/three Stalkers?

>>52237419
There's a surprising amount of people like that.

If GW weren't retarded and actually did market research they would realize that by ignoring nids in favor of MORE MARINES, MORE CHAOS, MORE ELDAR, MORE MARINES, MORE CHAOS, they're losing out on a pretty big chunk of the fanbase that is never going to buy that other shit and just wants gribblies.

>>52237657
The entire thread.

> wah play this codex otherwise you're shit!

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>>52237676
It was one of the Christmas bundles.

It's pretty good value. The only thing I added to mine was a Corvus Blackstar, two drop pods, and a squad of vanguard veterans.

Some stores still have them in stock, so hunt around.

So did Guilliman tell anyone the Emperors original goal for the imperium? Or is he just pretending like everything is fine and good?

>>52237782
You know no one would listen to him because they're comfy in their shithole.

Custodian Guard and Sisters of Silence models in Pre-Order, is a second Siege of Terra incoming or has this to do with the gene stealer cults there?

>>52237808
No, Guilly kicked them from Terra to get shit done first time in 10000 years.

>>52237813
Did he actually?
I fucking hate Guilliman but it's just too funny to have him kick their emo asses.

>>52237825
He hasn't done anything, they participated in a battle on Luna and now it appears they're taking an active role in the current conflict but the exact reasoning as to why aren't known yet. Though it's probably something to do with Guilliman.

>>52237754
More chaos? Where?

>>52237813

Just a shame their 40k rules are looking to be garbage due to half-assery.

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So, does this mean Old One Eye now has his iwn genestealer cult?

>>52237825
From store
>The storm continues to gather with dreadful pace. A rising tide of Chaos darkens the door of the Imperium, threatening to consume the entire galaxy. In this time of desperation, the High Lords of Terra see fit to unleash their most potent weapons against the encroaching darkness – the Adeptus Custodes, superhuman champions of the Imperium descended from the Emperor himself; and the Sisters of Silence, psychic nulls whose mere presence is like a gaping void of nothingness driving back the Daemonic fiends.

All hail Warma.. Lord Commander.

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>Eternal Crusade is F2P now
Is it worth trying now?

>>52237837
Death Guard soon, and recently got Traitor Legions, Wrath of Magnus, new Tzeentch Daemons and so on.

Although naming Chaos was a little unfair since they have also been neglected until recently and still have large subsections (Slaanesh) that need updates.

>>52237852
Well it costs nothing to do so, so yeah.

>>52237851

So are the sisters of silence all-female because they use the male blanks as breeding studs to keep the numbers up or something?

>>52237845
Yep.

I love how the Calth tendril of Behemoth continually gets mention, there was also a section about Magos Locard going to Calth to capture Old One Eye and finding nests full of feral Raveners and Mawlocs hidden deep underground.

>>52237387
English.

>>52237868
Section in the Cult Mechanicus Codex*

>>52237864
That doesn't make sense. If you want to breed prodigiously you need a small number of males and a much larger number of females kept around for breeding purposes. That's why armies tend to be male dominated throughout history.

Guilliman is such a douchebag.
He betrayed Cypher who had a deal with him.

>>52237845
That's cute.

>>52237893
Coz he's actually a traitor

>>52237893
Cypher is still free on Terra so Lion will be next loyalist primarch.

>>52237864
They're all female because of reasons shrouded in mystery that may go back to the dark age of technology.

>>52237893
He rightly didn't trust him.

You can't just let fucking anyone into the Emperor's Chamber, let alone a sketchy guy who comes in contact with Chaos on the regular.

>>52237898
Fucking lying piece of shit, how such garbage can "inspire" someone is beyond me. No shit half of the marines joined ruinous powers, at least those are honest that they just using them as pawn.

>>52237908
Deal is a deal, not matter if you like or dislike the other guy.

>>52237852
Still an unbalanced mess but the core gameplay is pretty nice.

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>>52237861
>>52237852
Well never mind.

>>52237907

Maybe they're all female because the Emperor likes to make arbitrary gender divisions on a whim, and Malcador only just stopped him from making the Administratum all female.

>>52237916
Why the hell you have FAT32 in 2017?
Or, actually, you can have whatever you want.

>>52237913
Not when you're operating in the 41st fucking millenium when a single misstep at that high a level of important decision-making people can spell the extinction of all of Humanity in an eternity of fate-worse-than-death soulrapetorture.

>>52237922
I use an SSD so I have all my games on an external drive.
I never bothered to check for that till now since it never came up.

>>52237916
Time to reformat

>>52237910
t. salty DAfag
You guys are all so autistic no wonder you like Lion

>>52237908

Could just tell him he needs to leave his weapons here, and that ratty cloak and cobbled together power armour is terrible formal wear, Custodes fetch this man a robe.

>>52237910
>Build undercover empire - check

>Don't help loyalist legiones during the Heresy - check

>Attempt to disband loyalist legiones - check

>Attack loyalist legion for not accepting disbandment - check

>Effectively disband all the loyalist legiones - check

>Rebuild undercover empire - check

>Takeover the power of the real Empire - check

>Rebuild his legion - check

traitor af

>>52237925
The Smurf fag just got jealous cos Cypher's sword is bigger than his.
That is the reason Imperium is shit in the first place, cos of "ends justify us being honorless scum".

>>52237910
Faggot, I was talking about Girlyman, you mojamierda.

>>52236773
Weel, you are good to play AoS small-point games

>>52237936
I dont give a shit about DA or Fallen actually, tho after what Girlyman did i consider getting some as allies, just cos they are obviously righteous.

>>52237953
I was talking about Girlyman too, lol. I did not meant to address you, anon.

How useful are Leman Russes for SM armies?

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>>52237558
>Emps is my dad and not a god, worship Tzeentch now

Primarchs have a literal 50% heresy rating. More if you count the two lost ones.

>>52238019

Yeah, and the Eccissiarchy hasn't spent the last 10,000 years putting up stained glass renders of Magnus in cathederals up and down the length of the galaxy and preaching that he was one of the greatest Saints of the Imperium, Son of the Emperor himself. for that matter, I'm not even sure how much the average Imperial citizen knows about the traitor primarchs; I'm guessing that's info the Imperium in general probably doesn't want spread far and wide. But the point is that Gulliman is very well established in the mind of the common man as a chosen son of the Emperor, who was loyal and fought by his side, so him coming back is like the Second Coming for the average Imperial citizen.

>>52238019
They might not be heretical
Just genetically dysfunctional or something
And emperor expunged them to cover his fuck-up

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I'm quitting 40k after this Gathering Shitstorm.
Anyone here from Sweden and wants to buy some books and unpainted, unassembled models at half price?
Note Sweden, I can't be bothered with international shipping,

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>>52237852
No, it really isn't. It's been out for years and it's painfully clear that they're never going to make the game they originally advertised. Instead, we got an abysmally shit barebones Battlefield. The game has no real content; almost no maps, almost no weapons, almost no vehicles, and almost no players. Everything feels stiff, from moving to shooting to getting wounded. The graphics look like shit but you still need a good rig to even run the game. The playable races all function exactly the same except with different particle effects and stats. Even if you manage to get a full game going, the maps are poorly designed and feel empty and dead, even in the heart of combat. PvE is a joke.

If you want a 40k game, just wait for DoW3. If you want a nice sci-fi FPS, try Planetside 2. At least you can pretend it's 40k.

>>52238039
Damn, that pic was worse than i thought..

>>52238008
They're like predators but not shit.

You can't put lots of lascannons on them though.

>>52238039
>Bought all the gathering storm boxes
>Only now stopping
Also ship to Finland faggot

>>52238039
>buys gathering storm stuff
>quitting because of it.

>>52238039
Schweden reporting in

Not sure if I can afford that much right off the bat but pretty interested in most of those models

Can't see well from the image, is it SM + Skitarii + Gathering Storm stuff?

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>>52238040
Well it got me to check my disk for errors so there's that.
> If you want a nice sci-fi FPS, try Planetside 2
Dang now I gotta reinstall it, stopped playing it cause my old PC was shit but now I can run it.

>>52238040
>falling for an obvious crowd funded scam
The big pledge reward shit should have given it away. Some of it was ridiculous thousands of dollars.

>>52238053
Yeah well I had to read the book to believe the shit was real first =/

Though I haven't read the last book and never will. Letting that order get sent back to GW

>>52238082
Over reaction desu.

>>52238076
The thing is, the game is still technically salvageable. The assets are good. The netcode is mostly working. All they need to do is brush up on the movement and shooting, add in more vehicles and weapons, and tighten up the map. They don't even need to make it a huge persistent world like they promised, just having a decent 40k Battlefield clone would be fucking fantastic.

But they're not going to do that.

>>52238031
Knowledge of Horus at least seems to be widespread enough for his name to be used as a curse. The Ecclesiarchy could easily proclaim the guy marinating in Chaos venom for 10000 years a heretic, or just a false manifestation sent by the Ruinous Powers.

Besides, Guilliman was never a fedora-tier atheist like daddy. Pre-heresy Ultramar tolerated religion as long as it wasn't subversive.

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How much of an asshole do you have to be to play a pure Knight army and how hard does your win chance plummet once your regular group gets used to it ?

I unironially love Knights, combining medieval chivalry with giant mechs and would like to build an army of 3 to 5 without allies.

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How would you react to someone fielding these as flesh hounds in a primarily tzeentchian list

>>52238040
>If you want a 40k game, just wait for DoW3
>implying that's not going to be just as bad
Oh you poor, deluded bastard.

>>52238086
The writing is legitimately that awful.

Maybe not worth quitting the whole fucking hobby over, but I can understand why people would be pessimistic about the chances of 8th fixing anything with how bad GS was outside of a couple good-looking models.

>>52238116
with plasma

>>52238124
Even if you hate DoW3 for whatever dumb reason, you're grossly underestimating how absolute shit Eternal Crusade is.

>>52238068
Gathering Storm boexes 1 & 2 + books
1 Codex: Cult Mechanicus Dominus Limited Edition
1 Codex: Skitarii Ruststalker Limited Edition
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Onager Dunecrawler
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Sydonian Dragoon/Ironstrider Ballistarius
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Sicarian Ruststalkers/Infiltrators

Are Valkyries capable of operating in vacuum (i.e space)?

All the information I can find just says that it can seal itself with it's own self-supplied oxygen for operations in "hostile environments."
But I'm not sure about it's actual propulsion in vacuum.

>>52238138
No I know how shit EC is, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole, but the same goes for DoW3. It's such a visual clusterfuck even good gameplay wouldn't be able to save it, and it doesn't even have that. Or anything else redeeming for that matter.

>>52238050
You can do 2 and 2 multimeltas if you want the same sort of anti tank tank.

>>52238145
All imperial aircraft are void capable. They're just not as good at it as the dedicated space fighters.

Is there a way to make sure I know Gate of Infinity in my army? I would like to field Purifiers and deep strike them

Where did the black library mega link go?
Also is does any one know where I can download The beheading The beast arise book 12?
Audio book or just ebook is fine.

>>52238175
As good at combat in it that is.

>>52238110
You aren't an asshole if your model count consists of 4-5 models.
Once you decimate one or two people word will spread (if it hadn't already) and people will DEFINITELY tool their lists. Against these lists you have little to no hope of winning games.
If you're doing an all knight army I'd suggest Renegade knights because they're the most customizable. Double avenger gatling cannons are disgusting and obliterate 3+ armor and AV and one knight outfitted with one or even two thermal cannons completely wipes terminator equivalent squads.
For loyalists the Baronial Court is good as it improves your shields, the Renegades option only providing Preferred Enemy for other knights and visa versa to themselves. Cerastus Lancer, Cerastus Acheron and two knight crusaders with avenger gatling cannons, rapid fire gatling cannons and twin icarus autocannons for anti air are really your best bet.

>>52238138
Look at any freaking interview triler, those people dont know what they are talking about. Whole plot is about primach-sized Garbiel fucking Angelos (from last Gathering Storm book we can conclude that founding chapter of Blood Ravens is Ultramarines, as Giryman does sommersaults now just like Angelos). Fucking 3 races again, no fucking chaos, GW licensing shit made it so they prob only have rights on 3.

>>52238175
>>52238196
Aeronautica are overall clumsy in the void, but it seems that void craft can operate fine in atmospheres.

>>52238197
rapid fire battlecannons*
>>52238137
Good luck, Be'lakor makes the entire unit invisible

>>52238189
Roll 2 on Ynnari warlord farseer?
Voldus knows 4 powers so have a nice chance.

>>52238223
Well in that case i could just use a Librarian lvl 3 with the Liber Daemonica relic (+1 power)

>>52238116
As a player Id be like whatever, cool models for a cool theme, Ill play against it. And Id say nothing and even tell you it was a cool idea, because it is.

But as a Monogod puritan myserlf , Id secretly consider it selling out your chosen god. I would never take marks or demons of another god, playing with these arbitrary restrictions is a testament of my devotion. Ultimately Tzeentch will know of your treachery, and Khorne will hate your for your use of magic, and both will be given motive to spawn you.

>>52238242
Ok I can just use Draigo

>>52238144
Not selling the SM stuff? Still planning new army but might be interested in the Dunecrawler and the Vanguards

Assuming you've glued stuff together? Still got all the spares?

>>52238068
1 Codex: Adeptus Astartes Imperial Fists Limited Edition (Only the cover is IF)
1 Codex: Black Templars (4th Edition)
1 Codex: Dark Angels
1 Codex: Blood Angels
1 Codex: Deathwatch Watch Fortress Edition
1 Black Templars Chapter Upgrade box
1 Dark Angels Company Veterans Squad
1 Grey Knights Purifiers
1 Deathwatch Overkill box
1 Deathwatch Death Masque box
1 Space Marine Rhino
1 Land Raider Crusader
1 Space Marine Reclusiam Command Squad
1 SM Sternguard Veteran Squad
1 SM Vanguard Veteran Squad
1 SM Terminator Squad
1 SM Devastator Squad (old)
1 SM Assault Squad (old)

>>52236994
Pfff Yeah tucking right. I hope your dumb jinking bikes like not using their jink. Oh I hear you have some overwatch tricks Dangles? Yeah so do we.

Vanilla Marines= extra free transports=first turn pop

Daemons have Magnus and the Tau are king at killing a death ball or single strong unit. Especially when you use RAW and not ITC nerfs.

Similarly War Convo and Eldar Wraith spam with D scythes don't care either.

>>52238281
>>52238313
Disregard me lel

But yeah, might be interested in the former post plus Sternguards

How much would you consider for that?

>>52238281
All these boxes are my unopened ones.
except for the limited edition boxes, I've opened them and used them a bit but everything is still in them and in mint condition.

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>>52236328
Solid?

>>52238147
>visual clusterfuck

Finally someone else said it too.
From what I understand Relic went with a more "vibrant" artstyle in order to better convey different units, abilities, etc. but it doesn't seem to matter when every unit's animation is followed by this particle effect orgy.

Not to mention that the sound design seems... not great.
We've gone back to the semi-popgun noises of DoW1 for a decent number of guns versus the distinct chatter of weapons in DoW2.
Say what you will about it but DoW2 had some fucking fantastic sound design.
Like the DoW3 tankbusta rokkits sound like firecrackers and are barely distinguishable during the firing cycle or impact whereas the DoW2 rokkits sounded like a fucking handheld mortar.

>>52238359
What meme is this in your picture?

>>52225185
>I think I know how to fix Orks lads
>Besides the obvious small tweaks, like initiative, strength (maybe) or a FnP, I propose they have unit rules based on how many models are in a unit, ala Cult Mechanicus canticles. The more models in a unit, the more meme magic, the stronger their abilities become. Kommanods getting stealth, Boyz getting fearless and/or a stat boost, tankbustas losing tank hunter if the unit is too small, etc. It would be fluffy, fun for Ork players, and it would encourage people to buy more models, making (((investors))) happy.

You're shit and your idea is bad. Needing a dozen boyz to get what units should already have because of a misunderstanding of how Orks work is the worst fix I've heard yet.

What Orks need is:
a) The core rules not to fuck horde melee OR a way around how the core rules fuck horde melee.
b) To not run off for no fucking reason.
c) Not to be more fragile and weaker versions of everyone else, with an added downside of RANDUM FUN (costed just the same though).

Ld8 nobz, double I on a charge if there are at least 2d6 boyz charging (use the charge dice if you want to keep rolling down), and access to USRs consistent with other armies are what orks need. Replace mob rule with stubborn or any of the prior versions of mob rule that actually worked and weren't a hamstring timewaste dicenoise generator.

Posting this because the other thread was closed, but anon should know the idea was bad and maybe they'll see it here.

>>52238116
I think it would be absolutely fine, particularly if painted appropriately. They're a very appropriate proxy.

>>52238371
CHARGING SHOULD BE 6+D6 REEEEEEE

>>52238116
I know a Necron player who has a tree theme. He went all the way with it too, AOS spiders as his walkers.

Do whatever the Fuck you want with your money anon.

This might be a dumb question, but where are the rules for renegade knights?

>>52238368
A list to punish the terminator meta where I am.

>>52237419
Are you me

>>52238147
On the plus side we'll get new models for tabletop simulator!

>>52237419
>>52238413
No, you're both me.

>>52238408
No, the program.

>>52238380
Charging should be 6.
Just 6.

>>52238452
Thanks Tau

>>52238380
Well, I was assuming the core rules wouldn't change. Ideally they need to be really cleaned up too.

>>52238452
Mah Squigga. But similarly, shooting needs a nerf.

>>52238452
like the good old times?

such good times

>>52238490
8th edition is OTW. All my rumor mills, personal and online are getting more gittery about it

>>52238351
3 300kr + 140kr för inrikes postpaket

>>52238359
>using grav at all

Worse than tau

>>52238507
I don't have much faith in the current writers fixing this much. I'm playing half my games in 4e and half the remainder with a *heavy* set of house rules. 8th will need to be a lot better than these writers have shown themselves to be to make the transition happen quickly.

>>52238351
For:

Gathering Storm boexes 1 & 2 + books
1 Codex: Cult Mechanicus Dominus Limited Edition
1 Codex: Skitarii Ruststalker Limited Edition
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Onager Dunecrawler
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Sydonian Dragoon/Ironstrider Ballistarius
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard
1 Adeptus Mechanicus Sicarian Ruststalkers/Infiltrators
1 SM Sternguards

>>52236569
Skip big red unless they have LoWs and bring a tax of TSons,

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R8 the fluff for my dudes
> were a mining colony on a backward planet in the middle of nowhere
> genestealer cult happened
> as the hive fleet was arriving to eat them, the planetary governor, who was living on a nice paradise planet much further out in the system, decides to come down in his luxury cruiser for an inspection
> the hive invades and starts eating the cult
> realizing the horrible betrayal, the younger lads mobalise and steal the cruiser as it touches down, along with all the trucks and a shit load of mining equipment
> they kill the governor and his retinue of stormtroopers
> they now spend their days cruising around the galaxy, helping out the imperium by rushing in and killing tyranids, with a side hobby of rescuing other cults from their genestealer overlords

>>52238039
If you're willing to ship to Finland I'll gladly buy your Ad Mech stuff.

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>>52238564

>>52238564
Don't the patriarchs hate being nommed too? Or is it just the hybrids?

>>52238429
>being this new

>>52238564
Do you hamstring your unit selection to avoid the units that would be dominated by the Hive Mind? Because those might escape an invasion, but going and fighting the tyranids is outside of their scope.

Does someone have the rules for the formation of Triumvirate of the primarch?

I've heard that Cypher's rules are identical to the ones he got from Black Library's downloadable rules awhile back. Is that true?
What about the Fallen, how'd they fare?

>>52238594
They don't like it, but once the hive fleet gets too close they either become dominated by the hivemind or get the fuck outta dodge.

>>52238543
Ah sorry, var inte tydlig nog.. Bara intresserad av SM Sternguards och Skitarii Vanguards atm.

Har dock inte planerat färdigt armén än, kanske kan slå till med något annat också. Tror även en polare kan vara intresserad av Triumvirate of the Imperium också.

Är du intresserad kan jag ta någon kontaktuppgift och höra av mig. Bor du relativt nära Halmstad kan jag komma förbi och plocka upp sakerna.

>>52238599
Cypher is identical, fallen are worse because they're expensive.

>>52236328
So whats happening now in 40k? Did they already figure out how to repair the Golden throne? I was out of the loop for some time, last thing i read was Fall of Cadia.

>>52236643
He was nerfed because he's still stuck in a sinking ship codex. qq

>>52238589
I think it's the same price to send to Finland, Norway and Denmark as sending within Sweden now with the new PostNord.
I'm not sure though, looking at their homepage now.
But if that's the case then yeah I'll sen to all my nordic brothers

Im sorry if this is an unrelated question, im only just getting into wh40k, but what does "C&C please" mean when looking at posts of people painting their models?

>>52238635

comments and critiquism please

>>52238545
I don't know many who don't play with house rules, either made up or ITC house rules.

We pick our psychic table, Daemons table, combat drugs, etc

>>52238642
Thank you :)

>>52236569
I started collecting guardsmen back right before they got the first dex to include valks.

Wanted Vietnam era Airmobile guard and was willing to start throwing money at forgeworld to get walks when I had the money. Then new dex comes out, and no one will stop whining about how OP valks and vendettas were, and they were literally the main reason I started collecting.

So I jammed as many of them in my list as I could anyway and told them to suck it.

Hell I still do now that filling half your points with fliers isn't particularly smart.

>>52238595
Not new. Just took a break in 30k for awhile.

Back in my day Tau didn't have anything scarier than a Riptide and reanimation rolls didn't help in combat. Mephiston was a MC.

>>52238632
>PostNord
If you don't mind buying ground up miniatures kek

>>52238596
Well i was thinking of running everything except genestealers, patriarch and magos

Are the Rot Proboscis for the plague drones worth it? For those of you that don't play daemons its 5 points/model on some flying fast attack dudes with 3 attacks each at strength 4 poisoned 4+ it upgrades it to poison 3+.

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>>52238659

nice meme but no one complained about valks, but vendettas got a lot of hate

>>52238609
Ah okej. Jag vill bli av med så mycket som möjligt i ett kör så kolla gärna med din vän.

Du har tur, jag bor i Trollhättan!

Funderar på någon bra kontaktuppgift bara. Vill inte lägga ut personliga saker på 4chan.

Skapar nog en ny mail bara för det här.

>>52238619
Well, shit.

>>52238665
That's true..

They've fucked up a few of my orders.

>>52238646
Heavy house rules are pretty wide ranging. We still use 5e wound allocation. The remaining 7e games are usually ITC+No Formations.

>>52238663
It's in the OP bro

>>52238727
I wouldn't play the game anymore without formations. Though we don't abuse it.

>>52238733
...I have a feeling that's been there for awhile.

>>52238740
You'll do what your GW overlords tell you to do.

>>52238683
Yeah, förstår helt. Kan dra förbi spelklubben imorgon och checka om fler är intresserade.

Tro fan om PostNord är billigare än bensin/tågresa

Få'n fråga varför du har så djävulskt många oöppnade förpackningar?

>>52238740

What formations do you use? And what are often used by your group?

>>52238740
Im just getting into the game and formations seem like a really fun idea. Though the application doesn't seem great since a lot of it is either an attempt to patch a unit that should have just been fucking rewritten (it would take the same page space to replace the stats for a possessed as to have the favoured of chaos formation) or something horribly broken to get you to field a ton of an expensive model.

That said some horrible, evil part of me wants to make an Infernal Tetrad.

>>52238670
Honestly, I'd cut aberrants and metamorphs. I'd also want to limit even acolytes. Probably add some IG allies to make it a functioning army.

>>52238543
>>52238609
>>52238683
>>52238761
> Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fthagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

>>52238792
Cthulhu go away.

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>>52238806

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Beginner here, so bear with me:

>There's a SoB codex
>There's a SoB codex within Imperial Agents

Which one are you even supposed to use? 1d4chan mentions one being a 'sidegrade' to the other.

>>52238740
>I wouldn't play the game anymore without formations.
The good formations are too good, and the bad ones are usually awful. They add a lot of flexibility, but it can easily lead to skew lists which make for bad games. As that's were I get my pickup games, it's a good ruleset for that.

>>52238787
Idea is okay, execution is really flawed. Really though they're bad for the game as it makes competitive games more prone to skew and narrative gamers are fine with ignoring a CAD to forge their narrative.

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I too am looking to sell some models. USA only. Most of this is NIB with the following exceptions:
-The Dark Eldar wyches, warriors, and one raider are open but complete
-The Dark Eldar incubi are partially build but complete
-The Eldar Cloudstrike Squadron (the 3-Falcons box from Apocalypse) is open and one model partially built
-One Catachan battleforce is open and missing a few pieces (used in a Cadian/Catachan kitbash from half a decade ago), but the other is unopened.
-The Leman Russ is open but looks complete.

The Cadian boxes are all of the older 20-count packaging, NOT the current 10-man format.

I'm not sure I'm willing to get rid of the Russ or Chimera as I could still use them.

>>52238792
Sorry for the Magicka incantations

>>52238116
Cute doggies

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>>52238823
Either! They're both valid codexes!

>>52238792
Damn he's on to us!

>>52238594
Nah the hybrids love getting nommded, its their rapture equivalent.

There's a story from the nid codex of a feral world where a cult managed to take over the whole population, when the hivefleet arrived all the people just marched themselves willingly into the digestion pools.

>>52238853
pls no ruse