Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52138063
>>52138098
No youkai ART allowed, I presume?
foxes are gr8 in all forms though

HV selections when

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M34Sqf6hhdfPWrGdNGOdxufgjzBlOkSH7vs_mPK5pGs/edit?usp=sharing

Did some more Spellburst Savant homebrew. Broom Jockey is a mobility/flight/speed based spellburst savant with a melee theme.

This is the alpha so feedback is highly appreciated. Among other things, I'm a little iffy if it's got enough melee boost to be functional in combat as most of it's stuff is about mobility and it lost some nova spell getting there. Still, Flyby Attack works nicely with Wave Motion Strike (As it allows a standard action, NOT just an attack)

Sorry about there being a few postings but I'm trying to get feedback to help it get out of alpha.

I want to share anon with anon!

What's a fair price to charge party members for item crafting?
I was thinking about 55-60% market value. My character is a businessman second and survivor first.

>>52138157
Lyra Ivytongue
Gunther Kastner
Lauren Bright

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>>52138171
D-Don't say things you don't mean!

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>>52138090
>mfw Taldor Ascendant seems really cool but I can't make the hour

>>52138222
Mother fucker.

>>52138222
Oh well, my app was pretty much a fire-and-forget anyhow. Best of luck to ya.

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It doesn't matter. They'll all collapse and burn soon enough. Then you will know pain.

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I don't suppose anyone could help me understand something from the Spheres of Might preview document? Specifically with the Striker class's Combo Rhythm ability.

I understand how it works, sort of, in that if you hit someone with an attack, your next attack gets a +1 to hit and damage, and if that hits the next one gets a +2, and so on, until the start of your next turn. I'm a little confused about its use, though-- it comes online very early, and I'm wondering how someone is supposed to make enough attacks (let alone land enough hits) to take advantage of that scaling bonus at low-to-mid levels, since I thought most everything in Spheres of Might uses the Attack action, which usually means only one punch per turn.

Is there a method of throwing a big flurry of punches I'm not seeing?

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>>52138090
Well, now that I'm sure I won't have another day booked up, best of luck to the new HV crew, by the way, what do you gents think about Legacy of Fire?

Silly question, is there a way to get STR or Wis based combat reflexes outside of being an Ordained Defender Warder?

>>52138316

There's actually a new fighter archetype called the High Guardian(?) that gets STR-based Combat Reflexes as a class feature.

I want to spitroast a fey.

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>>52138316
Yeah, High Guardian.

>>52138310
As long as you don't allow 2hu to shit it up with catgirl/boy bullshit AGAIN.

>>52138340
Can I help?

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>>52138257
>mfw Taldor Ascendant is a bamboozle anyway

>>52138343
>>52138330
Welp. I guess I have to toss the reach guy idea right out out. Thanks guys.

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What are /pfg/'s feelings about Iron Gods?

>>52138192
5% tax is best idea. In-game you can justify it by "extra expenses".

>>52138119
Different anon, but while I kinda doubt my first GM would go for it, on account of the BotB ART that's "functionally identical", he would probably be down for jiggling the fluff and such to be less shit if I asked.

I kind of want to play a bomb-focused Kitsune Homunculist Alchemist now, with a bit of "mother may I" to make some of it work. Sure do hate myself for thinking about it, though.

>>52138368
YES.
ALL THE YES.
Meyanda best girl, y'all can have Casandalee

>>52138368
ROBO
WAIFU

>>52138192
Depends on how cozy you are with them/how much you want them to like you. I usually go for around 60-75, depending on the character. You could always sell at cost in exchange of favours(like first pick of any magic items you can use)...

>>52138368
Love it.

>>52138356
Yes!

>>52138368
Needs a complete overhaul to make technology, the main appeal, worthwhile.

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>>52138368
I wish the Iron Gods game I was in wasn't on permanent, indefinite hiatus. Also that more of the tech shit was worthwhile, because I want my Investigator to lose her mind over how fucking COOL all the tech shit is.

>>52138391
Where would you begin?

>>52138387
Awesome!

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>>52138349
Yes, hopefully nobody's going to jump the gun like that.

Now genie-girl/boy and some monster-girl/-boy bullshit, on the other hand, that's just a given.

>>52138222
Aww, not even an honorable mention. :(

>>52138349
>>52138422
What did 2hu do this time?

>>52138454

Exist.

>>52138430
I didn't get one either. Time to shelf another character concept indefinitely.

>>52138410
Bring down the price of everything to match magical equivalents.

Allow tech guns to work like regular guns so you can at least Deadly Aim with them.

Make it so you can craft technological shit with equivalent magical craft feats

Not require (multiple!) massive artefacts to craft tech shit

Remove the Timeworn feature

Make it so techo-equipment shit can do their things X times/day rather than drain cell charges, with perhaps the noted exception of weapons.

Make it so a charge of a melee weapon lasts for a day rather than 1 hour and balance around that.

A lot more that I haven't even begun touching yet.

>>52138368

Haven't played it, though I hear it's quite good, so long as you're not ideologically opposed to sci-fi in your fantasy.

Is it me or does Spheres of Might really lose steam at higher levels where things like Bleed, Trip, etc all become worthless? Maybe that's me being a dumbass but it seems like half the talents basically become nulled the moment you stop fighting grounded humanoids.

>>52138454
Long story short, Legacy of Fire GM had his own lore that re-wrote Katapesh, but said some offhand comment about "yeah, feel free to edit the setting a little if you prefer the old Katapesh".

2hu used his exact wording to justify re-writing a huge swath of that lore and adding loli catgirls.

>>52138225

I mean EVERY. SYLLABLE.

We shouldn't keep the other PC waiting!

>>52138485
>X times/day
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Just make charges easier to get.

>Wake up
>Ruse Cruise has a FUCKING OWL

>>52138485
I would like to hear more. If 3pp sources were to be included, what? Legendary plug-ins, Secrets of the Iron Titan, maybe. What else?

>>52138517

Superbowl is best owl.

>>52138507
>re-writing
No, it was basically just addition, it didn't overwrite anything.

>>52138509
Fair enough.

Besides that, am I wrong?

>>52138521
>http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8693.0
This.

>>52138485
Shit, any out-of-system stuff that may be helpful?

>>52138532
Hi 2hu. I see you conveniently forgot the part where your dictations dispelled all the mystery from one of the assassin orders just so you could have a fucking loli.

>>52138368
I really want to play it

>>52138527
I'd really like to see if the cruise actually takes some of these applicants in the ultimate bamboozling
>HA, you thought this was a fake game, but it was actually real!

>>52138554
Didn't happen.

>>52138539
I would just let Technologist let you craft Tech items whole sale instead of fusing it with magic item feats.

Also, I think the melee charge for an hour thing is fine now that charges aren't as big a commodity presumably, though that really depends on how strict your group is on managing in game time in a dungeon.

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>>52138422
Anyhow, I'm keen to know what people would want from an arabian fantasy campaign, or from Legacy of Fire, specifically.

Any suggestions or requests? I'd especially like to hear from anyone who's got some experience with Legacy of Fire.

>>52138577

Are you really going to insist that 2hu doesn't use autistic logging of every wording that lets him get his way to insert dangerously young characters with obscene power into anything?

We get it, he ERPs with you. He's done it for years, and you're his eternal defense force.

Filipinos GET OUT.

>>52138497
That's the problem with martials in general. Just about everything stops working once you introduce actual monsters, and SoM doesn't do anything to that because they don't redefine any terms or give anyone the ability to use the neat abilities past their normal limitations.

Means that the only really useful spheres in the long run are the damage-dealing ones, which means we might as well use PoW

>>52138586
Can you set the record straight on the 2hu thing with the assassins?

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>>52138541
Bookmarked for perusal and consideration. Thanks.

>>52138597
>Filipinos GET OUT.
What the fuck did I do you man?

>Puella GM is a dirty phoneposter

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>>52138222
>An incomplete app posted in the day got picked over DHB's novel

>>52138222

....Isn't Lyra someone's F-List character that they adapted for tabletop?

I swear I've seen that name on F-List.

>>52138637
Other way around. Lyra was adapted to F-list after I made her in a pathfinder game.

If i am a sorcerer with the elemental bloodline (air) can i craft a wand/necklace/etc of fireballs that do electricity damage? Assuming i have the spell Fireball

>>52138628
What?

Lauren and Gunther both looked complete to me, and Lyra was literally the first application in...

>>52138637
I have no idea anon, but I'll be laffin' if she was.

>>52138637
Thats a pony name and the player is using a pony image.

Not that I blame him, that show has some adorbs babby horses and amazing teen pussy.

2/3 on HV guesses! Not bad.

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>>52138577
>>52138597
>>52138554
>>52138532
Y'all need to shut the fuck up.

>>52138600
Honestly, it was the volume (not necessarily the content) that he added that was unwelcome, and I should have phrased my suggestion to add to the setting better; I had meant for such things to not exceed the scope of an individual application.

I would have made a point of telling him to back it down, but shit came up and I had to give up on the campaign. It wasn't anybody's fault that the thing had to be shuttered.

Really, though, I didn't read it too closely, and I've shaved off most of the old LFG forum to make it easier to read, so I can't confirm or deny the scope of any "rewrites".

>>52138686
Thanks for clarifying. ^^

>>52138657

The TIGHTEST teens on television!

>>52138686
Can I apply as a loli catgirl assassin who is not sexualized at all and whose story would focus on introspection and overcoming the trauma of being a child soldier all the while recognizing that it was those traumas that have given her the tools to make the world a better place for everyone?

>>52138653
I don't see why not.

>>52138657
If you can believe it, I actually only found out it was a humanized pony image after I created the character, but I decided to go with it anyway because it honestly doesn't bear much resemblance to the source material, and it's hot.

As for her name, I just picked Lyra because it sounds like 'Liar', and Ivytongue for similar reasons. Probably the most generic "this person is not trustworthy" name I could think of. No ponies were involved in the creative design process at any stage.

>>52138686
>>52138730
But that doesn't make sense, 2hu wouldn't join as a loli catgirl, he'd be a shota catboy trap.

>>52138657

When the hell did humans get involved in MLP.

Is horsefucking canon yet.

Real talk, I kind of wish dr Nefarious could have gotten in. I dont know well he could have RPed the character since it was a barely rewritten copypaste but I would have certainly enjoyed being a mad scientist's/super villian's butler.

>>52138739
Ah, good old "my name is my job" type characters. Sometimes, they still end up sounding more natural than a "real" name.

>>52138749
I wish he got in if only on the principle of using Dr.Evil as his character art.

>>52138743
They have an alt reality spinoff featuring humanized versions of the characters. It has received mixed response in /mlp/ but lawdy, those schoolgirls are delectable af.

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>>52138730
Not if you use buzzwords like that to describe it.

But hey, if your app looks legit and doesn't use art that could be termed a "loli catgirl", then you've got as much of a chance as anyone.

Should an Iron Gods campaign wait for Starfinder?

>>52138761
>Ah, good old "my name is my job" type characters. Sometimes, they still end up sounding more natural than a "real" name.
Isn't that how quite a few English names became names anyway?

>>52138743
>When the hell did humans get involved in MLP.

Since the fandom tried to put on a more humanistic face for the people turned off by people jerking it to horses.

>>52138776

Doesn't really need it, but you could probably steal from Starfinder wholesale to make it your own.

>>52138776
It should be a sequel or prequel to it.

>>52138773
Kinda hard to find art of a young catgirl who ISN'T a loli, anon, but I'll try.

>>52138776

No! Make it now!

Please!

>>52138776
I wouldn't say so. Playing a Conan side character stumbling around in the ruins of a crashed starship sounds more interesting than going one or two books in and suddenly being able to know everything about technology.

I don't mind that it's a little clunky, it's flavorful and I'm going to be using magic for most of the game anyhow.

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>>52138792
What about this?

17 sr/12 dex/14 con/14 int/14 wis/11 cha or
19 str/12 dex/14 con/10 int/14 wis/ 10 cha

for a Mutation warrior VMC barbarian?

>>52138743
There's some magic portal connecting not!America with the world of horses
Somehow this portal hasn't been raided by literally anyone yet, unless you count the theft of a magical artifact at the very beginning of the spin-off which was done by a character that started as a horse and was BANISHED to suffer in high school for... apparently at least five years, and she's still in high school. Truly the worst hell.
Why yes I'm autistic.

>>52138821
>girl

key word, anon

>>52138812
>>52138799
>>52138788
>>52138786


Noted. Just guaging interest and how much work it would take.

I'm going to be giving the Pathfinder Society community a chance at a con soon, since I hate the community but have never actually played a game with them and want to get that under my belt.
Does anyone know of any builds that are good enough to have a niche in PS, independent enough to have something to do if the rest of the party's sperg limiters suddenly blow up, not cheap exploits and broad enough to have race/origin variations?
Too many classes and builds seem to require one to tailor the character's background to a single +1, which I don't want to do since I'm interested in seeing how my usual style meshes with a PS group.

>>52138856
You know ACTUAL kids don't have tits, right? May as well use a picture of a crossdresser, because at that age they're identical unless you're staring at their crotch. And that kinda removes the 'no loli' part.

>>52138868

Iron DM! Iron DM! Would you be open to allowing Steelforge items if this Iron Gods campaign went through?

Would you be willing to allow a character to start off addicted to a drug, such as Zerk?

>>52138911
That's like asking if you can start off having contracted Festering Anger, isn't it.

I haven't been able to get into a single /pfg/ game. What am I doing wrong?

So can a Sphere of Might guy keep up with a Path of War guy, or do the two systems not play nice together?

>>52138934

Is that a no?

>>52138911
Honestly, I just started reading the AP for the first time though neither of those things sound unreasonable.

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>>52138821
No.

More like this, but loli-er

>>52138947
Probably not as long as the PoW guy is playing full optimization, which is kind of the problem SoM is trying to fix.

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>>52138953

>mfw my concept can now work
>mfw The Fire Rises

>>52138340
Don't.

>>52138950
I'm not the GM.

>>52138963
Okay but why the fuck would they be a loli and not just a child soldier

>>52138946

Generally you need to do three things to get a smash hit for /pfg/.

1.) Character must fit the tone of the campaign and region
2.) Character has appealing art and an interesting concept - character feels alive
3.) Character must have development cooked into the backstory - ideally, this means at least one potential rival/antagonist and one hang-up in their life that can be resolved through roleplay

Iron Gods is pretty neato looking, I'd be interested in it probably.

>>52138975
Is Steelforge in the trove? Thought I had the playtest, maybe on my other box.

>>52138900
>ACTUAL kids don't have tits
>guy just wanted a young catgirl
>you post a shitty stereotypical trap

I don't care what the anon wants, I just know you posted trash

>>52138368
Starting a campaign Wednesday. Not really interested in the robo-waifu, but then I might slightly hate the PF concept for androids. Also PF has handled tech like complete garbage from what I've seen. So it will be a pretty regular party of adventurers against whatever stuff the enemies and NPCs get as cool tech that works for them and is somehow trash in the hands of PCs.

>>52139028
I didn't post shit, I barely ever post images here. I'm shit at 4chan.

>>52139002
Maybe I'm having a definitions problem?

Would not a female child soldier be a loli by definition?

>>52139035
>Starting a campaign Wednesday.

As in your first Session will be on Wednesday, or you will post the advertisement on Wednesday?

>>52139039
... lolis are defined by being sexualized, aren't they? That's kinda the point. Otherwise it's just a kid.

>>52139004
Not him, but I did all of that shit and have never been selected or even really notice. I guess 2 is subjective, but most of the "smash hit" characters on /pfg/ pretty much just seem to be the result of them making peoples pee pee hard or just being a blatant ripoff of some anime character.

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>>52138090
Have you accepted Amalthea as your mother and savior?

>>52139060

Amalthea and Casimir had some pretty solid divine profiles, they'd unironically be good additions to the pantheon.

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>>52138946
I'm in the same boat. It's pretty fucking soul crushing.

Blacksmith SoM class looks kinda cool, but I have some concerns over having a class feature that revolves around sundering i.e destroying loot.

>>52139058
>Not him, but I did all of that shit and have never been selected or even really notice.

There's a magical 4th rule.

Whore your character on here.

>>52138946
>>52139081

Let's see your applications, maybe we can figure out a pattern.

I'm willing to do some criticism.

>>52139020

It probably should! All I know is it has a mask I'm particularly interested in, and I need to know if I can buy it with 3rd level wealth.

>>52138946
I haven't either but honestly, I like building characters a lot more than playing them so I don't mind.

>>52139100
I found it. I'll have a look when I'm through the AP.

>>52139094
I'm T K on Roll20. I applied with Brejik for Dragons 2 and Saelonu for HV.

The only common thing between them is they're male characters. Which automatically puts me at a huge disadvantage. That and I guess what seems like an interesting concept to me is just boring to everyone else.

What Spheres are there that aren't convoluted broken pieces of shit?

>>52139004
did all three of those
had a total of 2 antagonists and 3 potential rivals baked into backstory

i guess i need to get better art

>>52139046
As in my first session is on Wednesday. New DM, we're trying not to break him.

>>52138222
Poor Claudia is 0 for 2 now. I'm going to have to send her out to sea on the Ruse Cruise at this rate.

So when's the next Evil /pfg/ game?

>>52139060
I used to be childless with a barren wife but now that I've converted To The Vessel of Rebirth's faith; I've become a father of 42!

>>52139170
You're an expy player so people will have a default "attitude" of disgusted towards your applications.

It is not enough that you write well but you should also either be a little more discreet with your expy-ing by not using the same art as the character that you are trying to copy paste. Also, you kind of lose points for being an edgelord in the wrong way.

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>>52139246

Not all at once, I should hope!

>>52139248

Not him, but how would you describe an edgelord done the right way versus the wrong way?

>>52139100
Got a discord?

>>52139094
Not any of those guys but I'm Zeno's player and I'd like a look over him.

What the fuck happened here? I leave for like 5 months and I don't even know what happened.

>>52139298

I do! I do!

B-but why do you need it?

>>52139316

The Aristocrats.

>>52139331
What does that mean?

>>52139244
Make a version of her for Shardwalkers, anon!

>>52139321
Normally for conversation. Iron Gods, or not.

>>52139170

>lewd game

>creating a psychotic edgelord burn victim who is too ashamed to even show his face that would be more appropriate for a non-lewd Black Crusade game.

You're not doing #1: Match the tone of the campaign. The GM even explicitly said that this was going to be all sex, drugs, rock&roll.

Also you came off as super thirsty and desperate when you asked "TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO PLAY SO I GET IN" in the rules thread.

I can't find a link to the dragons 2 game, so I can't criticise that character.

>>52139304

Zeno's posted blurb tells us a lot about his circumstances, but nothing about HIM other than a token mention of his motivations.

>>52139331
Holy shit, it happened.

It's all worth it.

The faggotry. The terror. The smutposting.

Go home, you've already completed the joke. You've done the impossible. /pfg/ has meaning again.

>>52139280

Dozen at atime intermittenly over a three week period

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>>52138343
>Str based combat reflexes
>Still able to gain Advanced Training
>Replaces Bravery with something actually useful
I-is this a good Fighter Archetype? Am I going crazy? Can I finally be 1pp Bodyguard Man?

>>52139248
Well, Brejik was original art I came across, but you're right. I do tend towards art work from games and other medium. I'll have to try and find more original stuff then.

>>52139352
This is also helpful. I was trying to match the tone of the Hell's Vengeance AP, rather then Argent's particular take on it.

>super thirsty and desperate
I didn't mean to come across that way but I'll keep that in mind for the future.

I'm honestly not too concerned about Brejik. He made honourable mention, which SwimmingEagle said those were characters that were on at least three of the teams he had made. It was pure chance that a team my app wasn't in got picked.

Thanks you two for the feedback.

>>52139446

Yes, no, and yes, anon.

Go protect that smile.

>>52138946
I've gotten into every one i've seriously applied for, its not that hard...

1. T shaped characters, are ideal, be really good at your specialization, but have a wide base
2. Don't fear the gimmick. The gimmick is your friend.
3. Make weird builds, everyone wants to see a weird build work
4. Backstory isn't as important as everyone thinks, it just needs to be serviceable, characterization and personality are what count.
5. Make sure you're tonally consistent with the campaign, this is the most important thing.

I think those are all the keys.

>>52139446
>Trades Fear for Compulsion
>"Better"
Why can't we just have bravery as a scaling will bonus.
But yes. It works. Cut/Smash from Air, never get hit again.

>>52139352
I've always hated doing and half-assed personality blocks but I guess I'll have to start working on them. Thank you.

>>52139480
I guess I can add a few more bits

1. You're in competition with everyone else anyways, so don't worry about stepping on toes and just make what you want to make

2. That said is everyone is making spunky punchgirls, maybe think about not making a spunky punchgirl, because i doubt the DM wants an entire party of spunky punchgirls.

>>52139521
Personality blocks are honestly more valuable than backstory IMO, I want to know what your character is like, not what got them to the campaign starting area.

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>>52139523
>i doubt the DM wants an entire party of spunky punchgirls

>>52139049
The definition has shifted. Much like the term 'weeaboo', which once referred to those idiots who thought Japan was the best ever everything should be Japanese gonna move to Japan and now refers to...anything Japanese at all, loli seems to flop between the traditional definition and meaning 'any preteen female', sexualized or not.

>>52139480
>its not that hard...
Yes it is.

>>52139521

It's not just about doing the personality block: You might also wanna space things out. The layout of your application blurb is PAINFUL to read. The picture on the right crams all your words into an ugly lump of text that doesn't flow or give you any breaks.

Roll20's forum text editor is actually kinda serviceable, so you should use it to make your profile easier to read.

And profile blocks are super important, man. Nobody cares about your background past the important bits: Hell, sometimes background changes partway through because you and the GM realize you can do better by tying things in.

But personality's important: You need to figure out how the group's gonna mesh.

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>>52139523
>2. That said is everyone is making spunky punchgirls, maybe think about not making a spunky punchgirl, because i doubt the DM wants an entire party of spunky punchgirls.

>>52139246

Too many! She's like a slip-n-slide down there!

>>52139553
Its really not. Most /pfg/ apps are baaaaaaaad

>>52139568
>>52139546
>A party of a whole bunch of people that function exactly the same

So much fun.

>>52139579
Not really.

>>52139588
Yes really.

>>52139588
Yes really.

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>>52139546
I would run this game, but I only run games in person.

>>52139585
You're pretty much describing the earlier editions of D&D.

>>52139585

It's not actually a problem if you're going to let the AP devolve into fuckfighting/winning encounters by getting raped constantly.

Which some GMs are into(see: not-america buffalorapefaggot)

>>52138282
Striker can spend tension to make more attacks. Plus if you want a big Combo Rhythm turn maybe you should be doing a full-attack instead, giving you another option besides attack action.

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>>52139585
If you can't give variety to a punch girl, you're a bad player.

>>52139585
But imagine the ERP!

>>52139604
??

that guy isn't the rape game you autistic retard

>>52139592
>>52139593
No, "Yes really" unless you can actually prove that most /pfg/ apps are bad.

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>>52139060
NO

THE STARS ARE RIGHT

>>52139585
>mechanics are the only possible character distinction
Shit detected.

>>52139623
they are though

and fucking hell ya'll have too long of backstories

>>52139604
I think you're mixing up games.

>>52139608
That still doesn't sound good since everyone's the same body type or at at best 1 of 2 body types.

>>52139606
Ah, Hamedo. Such silly fun.

>>52139635
>a party of punchgirls encounters a problem that cannot be solved by punching and friendship

oh look the campaign ends.

>>52139637
No they aren't.

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>>52138282
There's actually quite a few abilities that gives you free AOOs as well, and dual wielding is supposed to basically let you TWF as its base bonus, so there's going to be plenty of ways to make sure that you can build up that combo rhythm. We've had some people already working with stuff in my playtest to figure out ways to really score a huge amount of hits, making the talents to bank combo rhythm for another hit or extra tension pretty worthwhile.

>>52139659
Denial is an ugly look anon

>>52139648
....there are problems that cannot be solved with some combination of punching and/or friendship?

>>52139604
You're mixing up monster rape GM with buffalo girls GM. One wants people who are into monster rape, the other seems to want people to play shit like Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill.

>>52139648
>not solving it anyways with punching and/or friendship.
You lack determination to fist.

>>52139348

It's an old joke. A man takes his family to the local theater and offers to put on a show. The theater owner asks to see their act. The family immediately gives the single most disgusting and depraved performance the owner has ever seen in his life. Stunned, the owner asks for the name of the act. The father replies "the Aristocrats".

In a meta sense, the humor isn't in the punchline, but in the description of the act itself, which should be as detailed and as awful as you can possibly make it.

>>52139670
Yes.

A non-trivial number of problems can only be solved by E X P L O S I O N

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>>52139648
>problems that can't be solved by punching and friendship
Nice try!

>>52139352

I can't emphasize enough how important #1 is to making a character that will get accepted, it makes or breaks an application in a huge way.

Don't believe me? A recent example of this in a current advertising game was Aurelian Mopatis for Dragons 2, an otherwise excellent application that did not fit the tone or the campaign at *all*, and for that wasn't even an honorable mention when applications closed.

If you make a character that's on the same wavelength as the campaign, you're not even going to be up in the air for being chosen, it's going to be an "of course you're in, you fit."

>>52139669
I've only ever applied to one /pfg/ game and got in.

I don't really have much of a dog in this fight. I haven't followed Dragons closely, but most of the characters I saw for RotJR and HV seemed perfectly serviceable.

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>>52139546
>>52139568
>>52139585

Actually, this inspires me.

How would one make a full 4person party of punchgirls? What would the class breakdown be to cover most of your bases?

Aldo, lets make things dificult.

Baby Loser Mode: Gestalt, 3pp and 1pp
Normal Mode: No Gestalt
Hard Mode: No PoW
Nightmare Mode: No 3pp
DANTE MUST DIE Mode: Core Only

>>52139349
Oh wait are we supposed to be evil for shardwalkers?

>>52138343

Is it just me, or has the Iconic Gunslinger's boobs been getting bigger and bigger?

>>52139693
seriously, its so fucking important that your character fits the tone of the campaign

>>52139060

I used to be a Lamastu devotee before I found out the joys of wholesome procreation! Now my babies have 80% less mutations! !

>>52139701
You're going to need a Sacred Fist Warpriest, a Brawler, an Unchained Monk (Scaled Fist), and some fifth thing. Maybe unarmed Investigator.

>>52139701
Shit, that's going to be hard. I guess I'll take Baby Loser Mode.
Char One: Punch/Girl
Char Two: Punch/Girl
Char Three: Punch/Girl
Char Four: Punch/Girl

>>52139648
Not really.
>sacred fist punchgirl can heal and use cleric spells
>unarmed magus punchgirl can blast at range and doubles as the knowledge-monkey
>steelfist commando punchgirl scouts ahead
And so on, and so forth.

>>52139734
>a dragon flies around and breathes fire on the punchgirls

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>>52139701
In my playtest game, I have two punch girls, one as a sentinel and another as a striker, and they've been working really well together.

>>52139701
I think there's an old greentext copypasta about a party of 4 monks.

It did not end well for them.

>>52139696

Same here.

And I was one of the people that was completely overlooked repeatedly in favor of more 'exciting' profiles.

All I needed was two things: Fitting the theme, and choosing a character role that was somewhat unpopular: the skillmonkey, when everyone else was making high-damage battlefield control initiators and god wizards of varying kinds.


You can do it, just remember:

Theme.
Role.
Authenticity.
Personality.
And art. You need good art, unfortunately, it's just how it goes.

Also, make sure you at least talk to the GM at least once if possible, and make a good impression.

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>>52139742
What if I want to punch good from Playing Football

>>52139718

Cursed item, everyone in the party has poor Perception.

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>>52139718
Pregnancy can do wonders for that.
It's definitely not artificial means.

>>52139747
This isn't the elementary school playground, you can't end all arguments just by going "Yeah, well I have an everything-proof shield!"

>>52139758
did..

did you play college ball?

>>52139769
Yeah its not like Dragons would ever appear in a game of DUNGEONS and DRAGONS

>>52139771
Maybe. I might have even gone pro if I didn't join the navy

>>52139781
Not before our party of spunky punchgirls have access to flight, you're right!

>>52139781
But we're playing Pathfinder anon ;^).

>>52139734
Unchained Rogue with the Sap Master feat chain. Focuses on nonlethal punch damage, but can seamlessly swap to lethal if they're fighting undead or whatever

>>52139794
... an evil path attacks, then.

>>52139781

But.

I have a punchboy in my 5e game, and he flies and shoots mouth and fist lasers and has resistance-piercing shit and items to let him adapt to punch-proof dudes.

Punchgirls are probably fine. Maybe even better than fine: What happens to fliers if you grapple them midair?

>>52139781
Your "counter argument" to a party of punch girls was basically ROCKS FALL ERRYBODY DIES.

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>>52139749

And what a story it is.

>>52139791
Or at least can jump really high

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>>52139771
You're damn right, Son.

>>52139747
>what is resist energy
>what is abundant step
>what is qiggong flight
>what is evasion

>>52139743
UC Monk, and I think Scaled Fist too, gets mobility and 3d movement options

>>52139734
Internal Alchemist?

>>52139804
If you can fly? Then you start grappling in midair.
If you can't? Better hope you can maneuver them under you before impact.

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I actually really think the T shaped thing is important as fuck to having a good gestalt character

If your character is ONLY a fightlord with nothing else, you're not very useful

>>52139791
Yeah, nah it doesn't work like that. If you don't have access to flight by the time your party level indicates you could be fighting flying dragons with fly by attack that's on you.
>>52139805
An incredibly common encounter, isn't "Rocks Fall everyone dies" that's an indicator of the party not being fucking functional.

>>52139789
>>52139815
Pfft, I bet it was at some cushy ivy league school

>first Shardwalkers app
>Reactionary trait
>backstory actually has him getting bullied

>>52139836
UNHEARD OF

>>52139831
Try University of Texas!

>>52139349
Yeeeeah, maybe. It might not be quite my speed because I'm not much of an anime person, and I think it might be a harder fit for an Evil character. But I do like settings that aren't Golarion.

I might wait and see what other applicants pop up for it.

>>52139836

I don't know why so many people get triggered by people taking reactionary.

Like holy fuck, if you don't take that, you're literally gimping yourself. Initiative is so important, and there's an expectation of optimization in /pfg/ games.

If people wanna see flavor, they should ban trait options that are way too good, or make Reactionary and traits of its tier take up 2 trait slots.

>>52139829
No anon. It is the duty of your GM not to put you up against a fight that is unwinnable for you. Besides, there are about a dozen other ways in this thread to stop it, and even without those then the cooler heads in the party caution a retreat so they can train and get stronger.

>>52139855
because you're lazy as fuck for taking it and not integrating it into backstory.

>>52139766

Who knocked her up?

Was it a son of a gun?

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>>52139829
>dragons
>incredibly common

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>>52139849
>>52139831
Coulda gone pro if I hadn't joined the Andoran Navy!

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>>52139743
>Steelfist Commando as the party face
>Vigilante (Stalker) as the trap disarmer and skill monkey
>Ordained Defender / Cleric / Battle Templar who punches with gauntlets

I'm not sure what would be best as the fourth member.

>>52139863
Just re-fluff it as "he's jumpy/his got good reflexes or is literally reactionary" done.

>>52139865
Maybe it was just a regular gun

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>>52139849

Tejanobro!

>>52139863

Because it's fucking ridiculous to think that every goddamn PC in the party is gonna be a bullying victim.

>>52139855

Are... Are you honestly freaking out at people not taking mechanically superior options for stuff that works their concept more?

>>52139855
I don't think people are bothered by it being good, they're bothered by people not incorporating traits into backstories. It's a bad sign, implies a player is there to roll dice and not roleplay. No one ever complains about the otherwise identical race traits.

>>52139747
Hi, Spoony. Which old game are you still butthurt over today?

>>52139882
Then maybe you don't all need +2 init, 0/10 apply yourself.

>>52139870
As an example of an encounter yes, there's at least one in every goddamn AP.

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>>52139872
>implying Armstrong is Molthuni

>>52139887
God i miss when spoony was 'good'

>>52139754
>And art. You need good art, unfortunately, it's just how it goes.
I hate this.

>either spend hours or days searching for an appropriate image to use
or
>beg on the drawthread. Wait days, sometimes weeks for a response, followed by more days as the artist eventually shits out a half-assed sketch. Or go Pay2Win route and commission someone to do a real nice one. All that effort and the DM picks the guy with shity generic big tittied anime catgirl number 60,009,001

>>52139870
I guess Children are a more common encounter.

>>52139713
You could be? It's basically post-apocalyptic travel between Shards (safe areas), that starts off with the party going out to hunt down another party that was supposed to deal with bandits but has failed to return.

>>52139882
>Because it's fucking ridiculous to think that every goddamn PC in the party is gonna be a bullying victim.
Not really. They could all subconsciously be trying to compensate for something.

>>52139883
>>52139886

No, I'm mostly bothered by the fact that people complain about folks trying to compete in the optimization arms race without falling into the ridiculous trap of "Everyone is a bullying victim"

>>52139889

Then when my character is mechanically weaker than others, I won't get in because "I don't know how to play PF".

>>52139898

Playing men is suffering. Wade through mountains of dicks on pixiv and boorus until you find a decent picture, only to find out it's of a character in a well-known anime that will make people snicker at you for daring to use.

>>52139576

> implying that Slip-n-slides arnt fun

>>52139898
At some point I started building all my characters art first.

>>52139887
>>52139897
What's this a reference to?

>>52139872
I'm not one of those Almas pansies! I could break the First Elect in two...with my bare hands!

>>52139872

I COULD TEAR A DEVIL IN TWO

WITH MY BARE HANDS

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>>52139918
I've used pics from popular fighting games as character art before.

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>>52139893
>at least one
>in a range of six modules
>in a range of level 1-16+

>>52139918
>my character is weaker than others because i didn't take reactionary, this is enough to make me not get into a campaign

Are you 2hu? I know you're not but holy shit retard nobody is playing at that level of optimization

I got into two campaigns with no reactionary.

>>52139886
But why does it matter that someone just takes a trait for mechanic reasons? Does taking reactionary suddenly invalidate a whole character because they didn't include it in the backstory.

>>52139874
Yamabushi UC Monk for battlefield control?
OR how about Beastclaw Disciple UC Monk for movement and multi terrain utility?

>>52139921
Spoony once made a video bitching that people played dragons wrong, they aren't big dumb HP blobs that stand in one place breathing fire

To his credit, he was right, Dragons should be a fucking hard encounter, they have spells out the ass and can fly around and breathe fire on the party every few turns unless the party finds a way to get them out of the sky.

>>52139941
>>52139918
>only to find out it's of a character in a well-known anime that will make people snicker at you for daring to use.
Try using "original" tag when searching.

>>52139925
>>52139936
STANDING HERE

>>52139952
It doesn't invalidate the character but its a bad sign for me as a GM, because it means that someone prefers optimization over characterization

generally not the person i want in my campaign

>>52139969
I REALIZE

>>52139964
I don't give a shit, that was my point. The pic is an aid for mental imagery anyways.

>>52139963
Oh wait, is that the one where he recommends dragons dropping boulders on people then flying above the cloud layer?

What's the difference between recurve bow and longbow (aside of the fictional recurve longbow)?

>>52139921
Asshole reviewer, used to make a couple funny things...god, like a dozen years ago now.

Made a bunch of videos on tabletop gaming to fill space on his site, demonstrated a horrible "me vs. them" GM mentality. His video on dragons raises the point that dragons need to be played intelligently, but it basically shakes out to:
>so then I killed the whole party
>they were all so stupid
>man I'm cool

>>52139982
kek, yeah.

>>52139981
THAT YOU'RE JUST LIKE ME

>>52139996
TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY

>>52139976
Yeah, I hate it when PC's never take Skill Focus(Azlanti Basket Weaving) or Profession (Soap Maker) too! Fucking power games!

>>52139952
It doesn't invalidate an entire character, if they're fine otherwise then it's whatever, but every strike against a character for any reason is still a strike. There's pretty much no one that wants to play beside a character who's all build, no personality, and taking traits strictly for mechanical reasons without at the very least giving them a nod is implicit that this is the case.

If someone has a great character and an unjustified reactionary trait, I'll still look at them. But if there's a similar character without the trait, they'll get more consideration, and likewise if there's a similar character with the trait that did bother building their flavor with it.

Not everything goes to extremes, it's simply that you're safer off betting against reactionary.

>>52139999
BUT WHO'S TO JUDGE THE RIGHT FROM WRONG

>>52139919

They aren't when you're trying to fuck one! The husband's going to have to Enlarge person to satisfy her now!

You know how to fix reactionary?
By giving it for free. The more of the "mandatory" traits you give to your PC's the more they're likely to actually pick roleplay oriented ones.

>>52140002
>immediately taking it to an extreme

reasonable.

>>52140012
No, you ban traits

>>52138282
Since I was just poking at this for Valki...

Open Hand, which Strikers get access to for free, gives you fairly easy access to a free Trip attempt and then a free AoO vs. enemies that get tripped. Both the trip attempt and the AoO trigger and benefit from Combo Rhythm. You can pick up Vicious Stomp fairly easily for another AoO after a successful Trip, and there's the swift action to attack again via Tension.

Unlike a lot of multiattack sequences it's partially sequential where you need to actually connect with each piece to perform the next one, but even when you first pick up Combo Rhythm you can have a fairly lengthy chain available. It feels like it'd be very Fighting Gamey too, which is ideal.

>>52140019
It's almost like your position is ridiculous to start with.

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>>52139670
Of course! Sometimes you need a stronger weapon than a fist. Perhaps unending hellfire?

And friendship? Friendship is a horribly overrated emotion. There's no oomph to it! Tell me, have you tried unquenchable, unending rage and bloodlust?

>>52140003
Reactionary isn't a strike against your character. It's not even a half-strike. It's not even a faux pas.

This is like arguing that a popular haircut you don't like is a strike against a person and could get them jailed. But seriously, this sidecut shit needs to die off.

>>52140032
but its not, several people agree with me

And putting points in a craft skill can be a great way to add some characterization to someone, its one of the reason i like background skills in a campaign.

>>52140043
i dunno dude sometimes i see someone's shitty haircut and i judge the fuck out of them

>>52139666
Thanks! How about the Set-Up Flurry feature of the Boxing sphere, by the way? Combo Rhythm seems worded so that the 'attacks' from the Set-Up Flurry feature would count for netting combo bonuses before the big punch at the end, since they're all successful attacks that just deal no damage. Was that intentional?

>>52140012
>giving a trait for free
>not just unhinging the mechanics from the fluff

>>52140024
>ban traits
>there's a couple really good choices therefore we need to dump the whole thing

how about you go fuck yourself

>>52140006
WHEN OUR GUARD IS DOWN

>>52140044
>And putting points in a craft skill
I didn't mention craft skills. I mentioned skill focus. Why bother taking shit like Power Attack like EVERYONE does when you can take something nice and fluffy like Skill Focus(Azlanti Basket Weaving) or something.

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>>52140035
>>52139670
>Of course! Sometimes you need a stronger weapon than a fist. Perhaps unending hellfire?
That's when the LE UC PunchgirlMonk takes Bloodcrow Strike, and you realize the reasons why she also carries around a Rope Dart and has Hamatula Strike

>>52140052
Yeah, but you keep that shit to yourself (unless you're an asshole). Saying that taking Reactionary is a strike against an application is like saying they should get kicked out of restaurants or jailed.

>>52140068
>Profession (Soap Maker)
close enough fuckboy.

>>52140056
>>not just unhinging the mechanics from the fluff
This, holy shit. Some traits don't even have fucking fluff. See Unorthodox Method or Agile Dancer.

>>52140043
As it so happens, the people who decide whether or not something is a strike in a game is literally everybody but yourself. If your DM doesn't give a fuck about you taking reactionary just to min-max, then whatever, but fact of the matter is, maybe not even most of them, but some DMs do.

If you don't get picked for a game and the reason turns out to be a concern that you're just there to win initiative and make an encounter save or die, then well, you've only got yourself to blame when the warning signs were there.

>>52140076
honestly to me its a tiny, tiny strike, but still a strike

Its just a little teeny red flag.

>>52140080
Does ANYONE take Profession?

>>52140084
Why should anything have fluff if we just refluff everything anyway?

>>52140100
Yes.

>>52140100
Yes. All the time. Especially with background skills in play for flavoring a character

>>52140100
>tfw my Brawler in a meatspace RotRL game (well, okay, now it's turning into a JR game) has both Profession (Tanner) and Craft (Armor)

>local autist tries to arrest man eating sandwich for having "a haircut he didn't like"

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>>52140029
This was the vibe I was going for here, allowing people to play out really video game style combos. It gets even better once you can make those tension bonus attacks as free actions, opening up your options even further.

>>52140055
This is something on which I'm still deciding at the moment; you're not getting a ton of attacks beforehand, and you're still using the boxer's counterpunch, which puts you at a disadvantage, so there's a chance we may keep this.

>>52140100
In our group, there is almost always someone with ranks in Profession (Chef)

Its only gotten crazier after we all played FFXV

>>52140076
The restaurant decides their policy. When they're unreasonable, they don't get business. When you're complaining about the no shirts-no service policy while everyone else is taking their orders, they don't need your business.

>>52140100
In the past I have taken:
>Profession (Soldier)
>Profession (Herbalist)
>Profession (Merchant)
>Profession (Barrister)
>Profession (Driver)

All of these came in handy for the characters that had them, particularly driver.

>>52140134
>no shirts-no service

>ANGRY RORY FAMILY SOUNDS

>>52140003
So what, everyone should just stick to useless traits for flavor and not even consider them for mechanics? I like doing flavorful stuff with most of my characters but at what point do i consider traits for mechanics?

>>52140120
>police arrive on scene, agree that haircut is horrendous, call in the Fashion Police for crimes against fashion.

>>52140135
I've got Sailor!

>>52140151
try to find traits that are both flavorful and mechanically fitting

>>52140135
Shizuka rocks Craft (Painting)

>>52140100

I took Profession (Soldier) and now my character can teach the inexperienced yet eager swordswoman how to grip a sword and work the blade!

>>52140151
Find both mechanically useful and fitting traits, there are a fuck ton of traits. Heck, even if a trait isn't that great who the fuck cares, it is literally half of a feat. It hardly impacts a build.

>>52140105
Because there are some mechanics that don't make sense to refluff and some mechanics that do make sense to refluff.

Saying you have reactionary because you're just jumpy/vigilant/paranoid as opposed to bullied is fine because there are no mechanics to enforce the "you were bullied aspect". There's no reason a +2 to initiative can't just reflect general preparedness. It's the same reason a Fighter could be a guard, a gladiator, or a Ronin.

That's different from saying "my horse is really a juvenile tazlewyrm".

>>52140155
IN THE FASHION JUSTICE SYSTEM, HAIRCUT-BASED OFFENSES ARE CONSIDERED ESPECIALLY HEINOUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3MuUTmXNk

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>>52140100
Yes

>Profession (Cartographer)

>>52140195
SPECIAL HAIRCUT UNIT

(dun dun)

>>52140124
You did a good job with it!

I know the next playtest isn't coming out until the end of the week-ish but are there many Striker or Open Hand changes coming down the pipe? I'm looking at making a character for a different game and wondering if I should hold off or if I'm good to start poking at it.

>>52140105
Because you strawman at the first sign of someone not agreeing with you.
Do you really think someone is going to "refluff everything"? Do you really think the value of good pre-written fluff will vanish because people are allowed to enforce Rule 0, which modern roleplaying is literally built on?
You change the game to the extent that it takes to make it the most comfortable and entertaining to play for you and your group. You don't have to throw yourself down the slippery slope and start obsessively rewriting all feat fluff in all of Pathfinder because there's no Game Police to stop you.
You can do whatever you want with your own game, because the rules are the company's suggestions of how best to play the game. It's like buying a LEGO set with a specific theme - you'll probably be using it like instructed because you're buying it specifically to be able to build it without making schematics from scratch yourself, but Judge Dredd isn't going to turn up the moment you use the bricks to make something new, use some of them in something else or mix a few other bricks of yours in.
A lot of people against Rule Zero, like you, tend to operate on the predetermined conclusion that if other people are allowed to control their own games and not just follow RAW slavishly, they'll eventually crawl through the tubes of the Internet and show up at their gaming table, forcing them at gunpoint to only ever play with their rules.
The rules as published are a common point that everyone can orient themselves around, not the Holy Word. No one is going to come and threaten to kill you if you don't include their homebrew.

>>52140151
You keep taking things to ridiculous extremes, it's been acknowledged in the goddamned post that a character can take these mechanical traits and make it work.

The ideal here is that all your traits are mechanically useful and flavorful. A character doesn't have to suffer mechanically to have good characterization, and they don't have to suffer in characterization to be a competent PC.

The reason Reactionary in particular gets so much flak when there're other +2 initiative traits or shit like Carefully Hidden or even post-nerf Heirloom Weapon abuse is that it's almost always taken with no regards to the roleplaying potential that's there and easy to access, and implies a player is going to be some faggot that'll shut up until combat starts. It doesn't make this a fact, but when you're there doing competitive applications or whatever the fuck, you want to sell yourself, not look like that quiet dick.

>>52140174

What should be the DC to paint a masterpiece?

>>52140035
Nah, friendship or punches solve most problems.
And when they don't, you resort to friendship punches.

>>52139908
Well I'm thinking questionable ethics, but not actually thinking evil outright.

>>52140180
>t is literally half of a feat. It hardly impacts a build.
Yes it fucking can. I can count so many times that +2 from reactionary has saved lives. Not to mention Unorthodox Method, Agile Dancer, Stat swapping traits in general, and things that give you class skills without dips. Traits that influence metamagic, traits that let you dip out of caster and initiator classes if you want to PRC/multi-class/gish.

>>52140217
>What should be the DC to paint a masterpiece
>Masterpiece
Natural 20
Otherwise DC check of like 20, or 25+

>>52139918
>Then when my character is mechanically weaker than others, I won't get in because "I don't know how to play PF".

Dude, I don't even look at the character sheets until I've chosen the players, beyond the class combo and declaration of intended roll. Unless the player actively needed help building their character.

>>52140174
Lemme guess, Shizzy uses Veiled Moon?

>>52140217
A painting might be considered a masterpiece based on hype alone. Going by mechanics, she'd probably need to beat a DC of 25-30.

>>52140240
But really, this guy has it. You don't paint a "masterpiece", like a real great work of art, unless it's a natural 20.

>>52138597
I wish 2hu ERPed with me.

>>52140230
I mean some Shardwalkers are mercenaries, so questionable ethics probably aren't too uncommon, depending on how questionable.

>>52140240

I want Shizuka or Casimir to draw me like one of their Galtian girls!

>>52140248
actually no, she's all Scarlet Throne, Mithral Current, and Black Seraph

>>52140255
How do you feel about red as a color.

>>52140252
I want DHB to erp with me! We came to the obvious conclusion long ago. DHB is a little girl, that's why she doesn't like lewds.

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>>52140255
Draw me like one of your Galtan knights~

>>52139060
We need to push Amalthea for SummerSlam

>>52140274
Rubio pls go

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>check HV
>Talathel doesn't even make the honorable mentions
Shit taste desu