Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for the Dark Eldar! Long live Commorragh, the Eternal City!

VOLDUS
RULES
WHEN

That noob-IF friend from previous thread, what does gathering storm being over mean for dorn?

Emperor is still a nameless mutant.

Is there any reason to take additional marksman in a sniper drone team?

>>52016476
Gathering Storm is now gathered. It's time for the actual storm.

But Dorn's still going to stay dead.

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Do Dedicated Transports take up force organisation slots?

Want to know how many venoms I can potentially spam.

>>52016497
Well that makes me sad.

>>52016492
First marksman might get dedded.

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How's this for Kill Team?

Cypher rules yet?

>>52016471
Be still, anon. If I learned anything from the 7th ed GK codex, it is that we should be as patient as possible. I wanted a new codex for my GK when I first started (tail end of 5th ed codex) because the books themselves looked cool...boy did I get monkey's paw'ed.

>>52016476
>>52016511
>>52016497
We Don't Know. I wouldn't put money on Dorn coming back, but at the same time I wasn't expecting Cypher or Guilliman to come back either. That said, as much as I'm a fan of Big Yellow himself, I'd put good money on him getting nothing. Marines got their shit for this story.

Get used to that, by the way. There's nine main chapters covered under the Space Marine banner. They can't do all of them every release, and given the chance, they prefer Ultramarines.

>>52016529
You can't just take one Sternguard or one Command Squad member. You're still limited to minimum squad sizes.

Also, what's your response to the inevitable Necron Kill-List? That one meltabomb won't be enough to deal with a Stalker.

>>52016544
been out for years, mate.

>>52016509
They don't.

>>52016529
> Heavy and Special weapon at 5 models
> 1 man command and sternguard squads
> 2 elite choices in Kill Teams

Have you even read the rules? It seems very much like you haven't.

>>52016562
no way theyre keeping the same rules

Question about Wrath of Magnus/Thousand Suns.

When Horrors split, do they count as the same unit for purposes of first blood or do I need to kill all the shit they spawned as well?

>>52016604
They form a new unit. You killed the first unit.

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Is this legal? Is it retarded?

>>52016515
So Its not necessary to take more? I can just take 1 marksman and 9 drones? Why doesnt anybody do this?

>>52016633
Doesn't he grant them not-worthless BS?

I'd imagine we will be seeing a lot of guilliman when he's released. What are the best strats to deal with him?

Who is the only not gay as fuck loyalist primarch and why is it Vulkan?

>>52016659
He can't join units, so masses of small arms fire seems like it'll be a problem. no look-out-sirs and he can only make so many saves.

>>52016654
Oh shit you're right, if he dies they're nearly useless

>>52016632
more dunecrawlers, more neutron lasers.

>>52016659
shoot him to death

>>52016604
New unit, which means for Kill Points missions, you're going to like them if you can remove them fast enough.

>>52016659
one single D cannon

>>52016509
Venoms are fast attack but if taken as dedicated transport they don't take up a slot

>>52016704
wasn't kill points, but my opponent claimed I didn't get first blood as they are all the same unit.

Also, I now know the spawn don't inherit the obsec of the original horrors.

>>52016632
I mean most of your stuff is footslogging, which I've heard is bad.

>>52016659
Personally I'll just send an Avatar at him.

Not that it's gonna be an issue as the local Ultra-player only wants games against people he can bamboozle and rule-layer.

>>52016654
The unit requires one marksman, and allows you to buy two more. But beyond redundancy/ablative wounds, there's not a lot of reason to take a second or third marksman.

Markerlight sources are markerlights, though.

>>52016691
I've seen people put their marksman in intentional harm's way, getting him killed so that a whole wing of 9 sniper drones can join a Drone Controller Buffmander and zip around the battlefield.

>>52016724
my theory was to deepstrike most of the scions, put the vanguards in the taurox, if that's legal?

>>52016679
6T 6W, 2+/3++ means you'll need more than 350 pts of small arms fire to put him down in any quick fashion. Plus he will be shooting back as he moves up the table. Finally if you are dedicating so much shooting at him what AREN'T you shooting at.

>>52016748
The vanguard can't start the game in the taurox, but they can mount up turn 1.

>>52016659
Early reports are that he does NOT have eternal warrior, so @355 points Darkstrider in a Gunfort has a 60% chance of deleting him each round.

>>52016659
>ultramarines
most boring people in 40k play that shite
Shant be having a game with them

Kind of a weird question but I have been worrying about it for a while now.

How would you, I assume there are some other non-dudes in this thread, go about playing at a LGS without drawing attention from people who want to just hit on you forever?

I don't mind an honest "Hey want to be gf?" as long as they take a "No ty" without making things weird.

Damnit I just want to play or watch as a normal person.

>>52016679
He can't join units? He doesn't have IC?

>>52016578
>>52016714
Let the venom-spam commence!

>>52016805
He's a monstrous creature.
>>52016788
I've read that he does have EW. He'd be useless without it.

>>52016805
He's an MC

Just played apoc game, 46k per side. Had 8.5k units. All what left of them 4 thunderfires, 1 devastator with lasccanon, 2 ig sergeants, 2 ig commanders, half of veteran squad, marine command squad and my brother from another mother Pask. We won and stood our ground.

>>52016816
>He's a monstrous creature.
>>52016837
>He's an MC
So? That just means that Independent characters can't join *him.* If he has IC, though, he can still totally join other units as long as they don't have MCs/ICs.


>>>52016788 (You)
>I've read that he does have EW. He'd be useless without it.
He's T6, there's not a lot of S12 floating around to ID him. Darkstrider gets away with it by bringing him down to T5 and manning a S10 gun emplacement.

>>52016744
I was thinking of pairing a commander with them but I didnt think of intentionally getting the operator killed, thats fucking grim but perfect.

>>52016659
Grav, obviously, a sufficiently large amount of small arms fire (~70 Skitarii Vanguard, which is a lot even split over several turns) or sufficiently large tarpits, since even with his nova attack he'll struggle to take 50 Fearless conscripts with auto-hymns. He can be kited easily enough, and slows the rest of his army down to stay in the buff bubble.
I honestly think Cawl is stronger on balance, just because he doesn't charge an extra 150 points for EW and unnecessary levels of melee power. The UM player can admire his overstatted snowflake sword all day, he's not hitting anything in a Skitarii army that a Power Sword wouldn't hurt just the same.

>>52016558
he can in HoR Kill Team

>>52016914
>he can in HoR Kill Team
What about that post said he was using that variant?

>>52016907
It's not a perfect trategy, as it requires the enemy team to take bait while the rest of your drones have some cover.

I he does get shot-up, I think you can intentionally fail some saves, though.

>>52016929
What about Games Workshop no longer producing or restocking their Kill team rules makes you think that it is a variant?

>>52016887
Pfft. Forgot to edit the post number.

>>52016492
They're BS5 Markerlights, making them a slightly more expensive Pathfinder team. If you want, you can just take 3 Marksmen and the minimum requirement of 3 Drones and pretend they're Pathfinders.

>>52016633
>Why doesnt anybody do this?
Because even though BS5 markerlights are amazing, they're better on a unit with Relentless like Tetras or Drones even if it means reduced BS5, especially considering the price cost.

Or if you mean why people don't take Sniper Drones at all, it's because even at BS5 the Sniper rule is in desperate need of a rework.

>>52016953
It's ok I figured you weren't talking to me.

>>52016529
Heralds of Ruin is played at 250, you're 50 points short bro. Also which CT are you using?

>>52016802
Those people are really rare.

Most guys who would ask that question are usually too awkward/self aware enough that they wouldn't dare to say it to someone they just met.

If you say you're there just to play a game or paint it should be fine, it's the raunchy jokes from awkward people that are the unpleasant thing.

>>52016948
The rules are still available online. It's as legal as the Necron codex is. Heralds of Ruin, as good as it is, is still a fan-variant.

>>52016978
>>52016802
Wear a fake wedding ring. It's neckbeard kryptonite.

>>52016978
I truly don't mind anything that most people would find sexist, gross, or whatever.

The only thing I hate is when the social behavior of the group changes because I walked in with some boobs.

>>52017003
See, I don't want to just lie and say " I HAVE A BF, THANK FOR TRY". I just want to get it across that I really don't care for that atm.

>>52017020
“Nice guy!” said I, “Total dildo–nice guy still if nerd or dudebro,
Whether reddit sent, or whether romcoms tossed thee here ashore,
Barely known yet still entitled, holding now your Tom Waits vinyl,
Begging me for something primal, tell me truly, I implore
Is this–is this shit for fucking real? Tell me, tell me, I implore!
Quoth the friendzoned, “Fucking whore.”
“Nice guy!” said I, “Total dildo–nice guy still if nerd or dudebro,
By the mores that you abuse thus, by those films we both adore,
Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, by stalking me through Facebook,
You have gained a twisted outlook of whom those tropes are for,
Paint a rare and radiant dream girl whilst you remain a bore,
Quoth the friendzoned, “Fucking whore.”
“Be that slur our sign of parting, creep or douche!” I shrieked, upstarting,
“Get thee back to lonely anguish and your friend’s used comic store!
Leave no white rose as a token of the lust you claim heartbroken,
Leave my scathing words to soak in! Quit the name calling of ‘whore’,
When you lust for every girl, but when they say nay they are whores!
Quoth the friendzoned, “Fucking whore.”
And the friendzoned, never scoring, still imploring, still imploring,
On some fetid old subreddit for a girl who will adore
The nicer guys and not the “douchebags”, unaware that it’s a red flag
To be his soulmate o'er him learning they both like the movie Thor
To fuck him for being nerdy even though he is a bore,
Then she says no–fucking whore.

>>52017047
Wow that is gold, I am going to save that.

>>52016802
Same way a male does it, play the game and make it clear that's why you're there.

>>52016802
Honestly, wear slightly baggy clothes and maybe draw a thin mustache and I bet you'll be left alone

>>52017047
Is this in the same meter as Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven"?

That's fucking glorious.

>>52017083
I like the baggy clothes idea, but the pencil mustache is a bit too much lol

>>52017089
It absolutely is.
>>52017081
I fucking wish that's all it took.

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>Aeldari
fuu fuuu fuu~

>>52016936
The drones have to maintain 2' from him right?

>>52016461
>Adarki Aeldari

How in the hell do you deal with dual Ynnari Warhosts? I'm getting absolutely shreked right now by my most regular opponent's list.

>>52017095
Yeah, don't draw a mustache. I find girls with penciled mustaches adorable.

Actual mustaches are disgusting, though.

>>52017097
>I fucking wish that's all it took.
If that doesn't work nothing short of an prosthetic adam's apple, 9 o clock shade and a tubesock down your trousers will.

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>>52016461
>even gayer Aeldari

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Friendly reminder the swarmlord has once again been outclassed by the ultramarines

>>52017162
*screams externally*

>>52017097
Amazing. If there weren't people in the house right now, I'd totally do a recording of it, possibly in the voice of a Space Marine.

Which ranged weapon combo is best for the Dreadknight?

>>52017095
Its repellent I tell you, my sister is a social worker and it basically inverts a guys dick when they notice a mustache

>>52016788
He has EW. That was confirmed on the stream.
The two generic rules we know he has are EW and some form of FNP

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>>52017189
kek

>>52017198
I can't bring myself to do it lol.

Besides, I have red hair so any facial hair I have is invisible.

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>all that cringe voice acting in ultimate apocalypse
Lots of it is off-key, way too quiet, and sounds like the way a girl would impersonate Arnold Schwarzenegger. Also some of the animations are wonky.

>>52016887
Forgetting their are plenty of ways to instant death stuff without doubling it's toughness.

>>52016788
>no Eternal Warrior
no fucking way in hell he wouldn't have EW while the likes of Calgar do

>>52017214
Nigga, you know how to dry brush dont you? Some imperial primer will go a long way and it takes like 30 seconds

>>52017264
makes sense (kinda) as he can self res

>>52017265
>tfw asked why I am laughing at my screen and can't explain the joke.

I don't want to disfigure my face D:

>>52017187
Wait,have Rowboat's rules been leaked?

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>>52017305
here u go

>>52017187
Is there anyone who doesn't outclass him at this point?

>>52017305
Yes. We still know nothing about Cypher's or Voldus' rules, but the entirety of Guilliman's rules are available.

>>52017312
Holy shit where did you get these leaks?

>>52017020
>The only thing I hate is when the social behavior of the group changes because I walked in with some boobs.
That is what I am talking about.

Awkward guys who are basical
>I'm really attracted to you b-but I'm too nervous to ask you directly s-so I'm going to test the water with this sex joke!
>d-do you get it? the punchline is two people fucking...
Just keep them talking about the hobby.

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>>52016407
Alright so I added renegades and heretics. How's my list battlescribe is really shit at making things brief and condensed

>>52017318
nowhere in particular

>>52017313
Lysander?

>>52017097
Never had a problem. Been going to my local for almost 2 years now. Never had a guy start anything weird while there. Occasionally get a message on facebook or whatever, but most dont persue if I dont show interest.

Either you have shit people at yours; which is unfortuante, you are drawing the attention somehow or you are lying.

>>52017324
That's probably best.

>>52017313

The True Forgotten Special Characters. Stern and Crowe.

>>52017318
my uncle is a games workshop employee

>>52017258
>playing UA
That mod is a fucking mess. Just jump into the DoW2 train, lots of people still play it.

>>52017292
Make it a new style, rock some purple and you'll seem like a tumblrite or a daemonette as a bonus

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>>52017356

>>52017383

We must be brave, brother.

Brave for father.

>>52017369
Let's bust out some SU cosplay and then get tumblr's rage for blackface.

>>52017312
Thanks, also why the fuck is he a monstrous creature
Is everything becoming an MC nowadays?
What's next,Land Raider is GC?

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>>52017369

Why do they eldar / dark eldar / necrons / tau all have hover technology, but the humans are still using bikes and tanks with wheels and tracks. Surely they would have stolen or traded the technology.

>>52017118
They have to maintain coherency, yes. That means that one drone has to be within 2' of him, and the next can be within 2' of that drone, and so on. They don't *all* have to be within 2' of him.

This for your suicide tau?

>>52017392
>8th edition
>all ultramarines are now MCs
>all tau suits are now MCs
>all wraith units are now MCs
>all tyranid monsters are now walkers

>>52016802
LONDON
O
N
D
O
N

:^)

To be a bit serious though, the best thing you can do is not highlight the fact that your a girl. If you're not wearing a tight red dress or something, or have some feature that really stands out like neon died hair (which means you've got a whole other set of issues), have basic hygiene standards (as anyone should) and don't mention the fact that you're a girl all the time then you should be fine.
Honestly the baggy clothes thing one anon suggested is a good idea, but I'd avoid the fake mustache. The reason that women encounter such problems is because some guys don't deal with women enough, and like some retard from /r9k/ or white knight beta male, they treat women as a completely different species. If you just act like a normal person, not drawing attention to fact that you're a girl while also not going the other way and constantly doing stuff that is completely not what people whink a women should (acting like a stereotype of guys from the early 200s or something), then it should be fine.
You may encounter one or two fags who thinks it's ok to treat a women like she's an alien no matter how you act, but that's just depend upon where you go. Depending on where you live, some anons might be able to tell you where a store is that doesn't have to many people of that nature.

>>52017392
He's a fucking Primarch. Did you really think he'd be Infantry?

How viable would an iron warriors gunline be? I'm thinking min maxed decurion to get 4 havoc teams, cad with rapiers

>>52017449
They're Infantry in 30k.

>>52017410
They do have the technology, they just don't use it very often.

>>52017430
Not quite but it was another idea that hit me, thanks for your help. Good to know I can congoline him to his death

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>>52017410
Simple answer is, wheels are easy to maintain hovershit is not so it requires far more logistics an specialised craftsmen to keep running.

>>52017318
GW had a livestream. These rule flybys were in an opening trailer for it. Looked like one of those, "DESIGNING A BULLSHIT UNIT" thing Warhammer TV's been doing lately.

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>>52017440
top kek

>>52017443
I don't get the london meme, but your advice seems good.

I am probably overthinking it.

>>52017486
Yeah but why not?
Solves a lot of terrain issues. Seems stupid not to.

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So what other characters who don't have Stomp can take Punished Guilliman? I did a heap of maths for /hhg/ a little bit ago and we determined that Scoria can beat him, but probably not anyone else, his Strength is fixed so Horus can't fuck with him, and noone else can down him before S:D rolls a 6 and instagibs on Round 6. Rules are no psychic powers other than Force and no assistance from any other effect, vacuum duel.

Not familiar with all the many many 40k duelist characters. Anyone who can take him on?

>>52017449
Yes

>>52017499
You can mount heavier armor and weapons and it's easier to produce and maintain.

>>52016669
Corax, too. Dude hated slavery, told Horus to fuck off before it was cool, and kicked the everloving shit out of Lorgar.

>>52017499
Also "creating" new arrangements of technology are always suspect and possibly daemonic in nature, corrupting in intent, or simply xenos corruption, both of which are UNACCEPTABLE

>>52017498
You sound autistic enough for that to be a deterrent anyway

>>52017536
Don't forget Omegon

>>52017499
Hoverunit is damaged in battle, nearest hover-producing forgeworld is 8000 light years away.

Tank throws a track, any industrial era world can manufacture and replace it.

>>52017410
This reminds me, tau hovering assault units fucking when?

>>52016669
Dorn.

A good character, with established flaws, established strengths, a good rivalry and good rapport both with the Emperor and with his own troops.

>>52017580

>tau
>assault

Yeah, lets take away the last fucking weakness Tau have.

>>52016669
IMO the loyalists are not that gay, traitors are much gayer

>>52017555
*screeches autistically*

>>52017509
Well let's do the math for Smashfucker Prime:
Guilliman has 6 attacks, and for every 6 hits he resolves 1 D hit. Guilliman automatically wins if he resolves 6 D hits. This means that he can resolve .5 D hits a turn, and will therefore auto-win after 12 turns. So let's go ahead with Smashfucker's math:

> Smashfucker attacks 4 times, hitting twice. and wounding 1.66 times, which goes down to 0.5478 after saves, which gives him a TTK over Guilliman of 10.9529 rounds of Melee Combat, or just slightly under the Auto-win threshhold for Guilliman.

It's doable for Smashfucker Prime, but also highly risky.

>>52017605
Traitors are autistic, loyalists are homosexual

>>52017603
I dont give a shit about criptides or stormsurges, make them part of a formation that excludes the use of them I dont care just gimme some fucking xenos on hover drones with energy blades

>>52016669

The Emperor.

Technically a primarch. Has a chapter with his geneseed, after all.

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Ol like to start 40k because I don't like the direction age of sigmar is going in, but I'm not sure what army to pick. I have lots of nurgle crap from sigmar, but I'm not sure I want to use it here. I'm just really not sure what faction to pick. Space marines? Too much like sigmarines (I hated them with a passion). I've always loved the tyranids line, but I know they're crap right now. The tau look pretty cool, but I don't want to be a THAT GUY. Not a fan of aelderari (or however it's spelt), but the old elder, especially the pirate deldar are cool to me. Necrons? Maybe, but it seems their fluff is too unstable.

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>there are grills here

>>52017509
Also let's resolve Leman Russ real quick:

Leman Russ attacks 7 times, and hits 4.62 times, wounding 2.31. Sever Life triggers, with a multiplier of .583 for Toughness 6, adding 2.02 wounds for a total of 4.33 wounds, and down to 1.42 after saves, giving us a TTK of 4.225 rounds, WELL BELOW the threshhold for Guilliman's auto-win.

>>52017658

>Hovering xenos with energy blades

Triarch Praetorians.

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>>52017662
I'm thinking of running one of these two. Any suggestions? It's against the new eldar fuckery

>>52017603
You mean Psychic, and Obsec without FSE?

>>52017618
He gets D on 6s To Hit, not on a 6 rolled separately from hitting for each hit.

Therefore 6 divided by 6 = one D hit per turn. Where's the 0.5 coming from?

>>52017667
Why the surprise?
>>52017666
Go for Tau. Learn how the game works. Branch out.

>>52017667
Girls and trannies play 40k in public now and they also post here. The weirdest part is that nothing really comes of it.

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>>52017666
Imperial Guard

>>52017687
Oh, yea that's a mistake in my math. You're right that Smashfucker Prime then loses well before he can kill Guilliman.

>>52017498
>I don't get the london meme
It's a /fit/ meme.
>I am probably overthinking it.
Probably. Have you been to your FLGS yet? And what army do you play exactly? And do you know what the meta is at you FLGS? Always helps to know these things, no matter who you are or what you're problem is.
I've found that the best way to avoid any type of awkward social situation is to keep in mind there is strength is numbers. If you have a friend who can go with you the first couple of times that will substantially mitigate bad things happening, because you can always just get out of a bad situation by going and talking to your friend and who ever they may be talking to, or going and watching their game for a bit, even the most vile of neckbeards is not apt to interupt that. If you do that, and at the same time follow my advice and act like a normal person, then after a while you'll end up as just another regular, and should never have to worry about that shit again.

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>>52017410
Imperial Army has used it, but then Heresy, 50 Shades of Grimdark...

>>52017687
Sure it's 6 to hit and not wound?

>>52017686
>You mean Psychic
Not an issue when you can ally in Farseers for a pittance.

>Obsec without FSE?
Lack of Obsec is not a big problem for Tau, because they can shoot enemy troops choices to death disgustingly easily.

>>52017666
Its okay to like tau just avoid breaking out the riptides in sub 1000pt games and if you have nurgle look into chaos space marines as the synergy is good

>>52017672
What? Russ has 6 attacks, as his paired weapons +1A is included in his profile.

Hits 3 times, wounds 2.25 times, does 0.5 wounds per round of slashing through saves and FnP. Sever life triggers 0.5 times, does 0.5*2*0.5833*0.333*0.666 = 0.129 wounds per turn, plus the 0.5 to get 0.629. He needs to do 1 per round to kill Gman, where's he getting all that damage from?
Sever Life does 2 wounds on average, how's it wounding 2.02 times?

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>>52017705
>Have you been to your FLGS yet?
Only with other people to buy paints and stuff.
I have no idea what the meta is, I am a new player.

I want to play imperial fists, I put an army list up in the last thread but I'll put it here too.

>>52017666
Tau are above average. You don't have to be THAT GUY to play them. Just play them without being THAT GUY. Honestly, these days, the who start loosing their shit and spouting memes just because a fire warrior got set down are THAT GUY...just so long as you don't proxy in gundam models, field more than half unpainted plastic, or gloat about beating nids.

That said, there're plenty of Imps without Space Marines. Guard, Sisters, Robo-Space-Skaven-Who-Were-Mistakenly-Fluffed-as-Human... You do you, anon.

>>52017758
Sever life is NOT triggered on *unsaved wounds* but only *wounds*. He only needs to wound someone for it to trigger.

>>52017703
I would want to use the cadians if I did that

>>52017689
Tau will only teach you about 2/4 phases, though.

>>52017509
As far as I know, only scoria (well, and buffed magnus) can beat him, and his 50% chance to return means 50% he will probably kill scoria, making them basically equal, with only the luck of the dice and will of the emperor or the dark gods determing who will win.

>>52017672
Guilliman has 7 attacks base, which means he'll do 1.166... D hits per turn, and has a 19.44..% chance for that to be a 6 on the table. He does that in 5 turns, where are you getting 12 turns to autowin from?

>>52017767
>Girl
>Imperial Fists
You wouldn't happen to be the anon who had an ex die and inherit their IF stuff, would you?

Anyways, that's a nice list you have there, I'd suggest keeping your Librarian with your Devs and have them reroll failed hits with Prescience.

I'm gonna say that painting yellow is really hard tho.

Anybody got the dimensions on the new oval base for the White Scar biker in the Deathwatch set as well as the new reboxed Space Marine bikers?

I'm planning on rebasing my Ork Nob bikers and want to know what's the new bigger base for bikes now are.

Do we have a stash for audiobooks? Looking for Malleus and Hereticus in mp3

>>52017775
>proxy in gundam models
Theres a tau lad at my local that does this shite
He has no clue how much of a meme he is, like seeing someone in a fedora and cape.

>>52017800
I already said that I made a mistake in my math. I thought it was 6s to wound. He also has 6 attacks base still, and these battles are assuming neither person is the one getting the charge bonus. Mathhammer duels are meant to be neutral.

>>52016602
his curent rules are actually quiet good

>>52017801
No that's not me.

That's actually exactly what people said in the last thread, good to know it's a consensus on the librarian and devs.

I really like the fluff from the audio tapes, which is why I am going IF. That and I like yellow.

>>52017812
I have one of those fuckers in an engineering class.

>>52017713
He needs a 6 to hit to have that attack resolved as Strength D, then another 6 to instakill his opponent. Therefore he needs to make 6x6=36 attacks to kill, and therefore needs 36/6 = 6 rounds of combat.

>>52017783

It only triggers once per round even if you are correct in that, as it states "one or MORE" wounds, so even doubling my calculated damage puts him at under one wound per round, so he'll lose.

>>52017800

Scoria wins slightly more than half the time, though, since there's a chance to kill Guilliman on Overwatch or in the subsequent combat, as Scoria rolled IWND after winning and him coming back, which could let him win. Realistically, flip a coin, but Scoria wins by pure probability in Mathhammer. Guilliman has the charge here because he's coming back on his turn.

>>52017767
>I have no idea what the meta is, I am a new player.
>I want to play imperial fists, I put an army list up in the last thread but I'll put it here too.
Seeing as your playing marines, and there not a WS cheese list, you'll be fine then. The real issue would come in if you're playing suit tau or scatbike eldar and taking it to an all ork meta.

Also, why IF? I remeber there was some 30k girl from texas who also played them, and I've met quite a few girls who like them as well. Is there something about IF that makes women like them, like how nids seem cute, or have I just somehow encountered all the IF girls there are?

>>52017850
They are a bright yellow army. Cmon faM.
suprised girls dont go eldar 2bh

>>52017659
>building Imperium very fast but not bery good
>hide truth about Warp, it's inhabitants and dangers
>don't tell plans about Webway use
>cannot into interaction with sons, Lorgar is prime example

>>52017848
>Scoria wins slightly more than half the time, though, since there's a chance to kill Guilliman on Overwatch or in the subsequent combat, as Scoria rolled IWND after winning and him coming back, which could let him win. Realistically, flip a coin, but Scoria wins by pure probability in Mathhammer. Guilliman has the charge here because he's coming back on his turn.
Eh, I don't think it's wise to assume girlyman has the charge. I always lean towards just ignoring who charged, since at that point it becomes more unpredictable, and is like factoring in movement, or the entire rest of the army. Best to just to it in a vacume, where them in combat is all thst matters, since we can't mathematically predict who will get the charge.

>>52017812
>>52017837
I understand liking gundams. I do. And I understand not liking tides, or wanting a unique centerpiece to your army.

But most gundams just don't look Tau enough. It's hardly in keeping with the village's rustic aesthetic, you know?

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>>52017804

>>52017812
Proxying gundam models is acceptable if: They're appropriately sized, based and are otherwise WYSIWYG

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So I'm a new player, I remade my list/shopping basket for a Skitarii army after helpful advice/having my dreams crushed by anon in previous thread.

In my head it works thus; the three-man unit of spider tanks will be the biggest target in the army due to the nastiest dakka and being the biggest point-sink, but will hopefully have a bit of survivability due to the 4++ save and IWND.

Eight man unit of Infiltrators with zealot, cattle-prods and assault 5, shredding pistols should be able to counter anything looking for a fist-fight by just dumping a ludicrous amount of attacks on them.

Vanguard Alpha warlord has a power sword purely because I'm going to convert her from Inquisitor Greyfax, who has a power sword, and because it rounds the list out to 1500 exactly, which soothes my autism. Warlord's vanguard squad are carrying the army's anti-MEQ plasma calivers since the Prefered Enemy will hopefully stop them disintegrating themselves the first time they pull the trigger.

One extra spider-tank with Icarus Array for anti-air, which anon in the previous thread said was essential in 1500pt lists. Also I love the model so any excuse to have an extra one.

Two 10-cyborg units of basic Vanguard for capturing points and just general dakka/cannon fodder, two 5-cyborg units of Rangers with two Arc Rifles each for popping vehicles, since reading these threads, highly mechanised lists seem to be in fashion.

I stuck the Arc Rifles in Rangers rather than Vanguard in the end because I figured the Ranger's 30" weapons meshed better with the 24" Arc Rifles than the Vanguards 18" ones, despite 1d4chan saying Rangers are shit. Sitting in a bush somewhere plinking away with Precision Shots from 24" sounds like it'll grant an increased life expectancy for my small anti-armour units than having to get dangerously close to assault range to avoid wasting three of the model's fire.

tl;dr here is my skitarii list, did I derp and/or miss anything, can I improve it?

>>52017825
>He also has 6 attacks base still, and these battles are assuming neither person is the one getting the charge bonus.
No, he has 7. Sword and fist are considered a paired weapon. Can make out just the end of that part right above the swords profile

>>52017831
Alright, just making sure.

But yeah, good luck with painting them!

Here's some advice. Do NOT order more things 'til finished with what you own. I have like, 70+ dudes that are unbuilt. I can't stop.

Pls help

>>52017850
Marines Malevolent is yellow and also bad guys.

>>52017893
True, but it stands even then. I'm giving it to Guilliman because otherwise the fight would not continue, but I see your point. If they traded fire for a while thanks to Scoria running back in his turn and then a failed charge, the Magos would almost certainly win, thanks to IWND and having some distinctly more impressive guns.

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is it worth spending point on rhinos for a 1000pts Alpha legion list, not sure

>>52017895
Dude, I mean this guy (might be a female) wears a fedora and long heavy coat all the time with Japanese t stirts under.

>>52017929
As far as I can tell, it just says they are "Used together, using the profile below". Nothing about them counting as two weapons. I guess it would depend on whether they are listed as two separate pieces of equipment in the full profile.

>>52017662
The GUO is better than a DP for the role in my opinion

>>52016802
>without making things weird

Unfortunately, this hobby attracts the socially inept. 90% are harmless social inepts, but there's always That Guy in any sufficiently large group.

If your LGS has good staff, they'll have a quiet word/kick out anyone who's genuinely harrassing you.

>>52017975
Investigate using a cover, such as pretending to want the fellow's autograph. If female adapt tactics as desired.

>>52017946
That depends on your list.

>>52017047
Saved.

>>52017850
Hm.... yellow is just really cool looking to me?

The real thing that attracts (freudian slip?) me to them is the idea that they are the ones who held the seige. They did all the work no one else wanted to, prevented terra from falling, and then got shit on for it.

They even are so bad about punishing themselves that they go and get themselves wrecked by the iron warriors to "repent".

Maybe that's why girls seem to go for them? Almost self-cutting levels of punishing themselves?

I dunno I just like the idea of not flashy, do the dirty work, not get huge rewards, space marines.

I haven't played 30k, but I have listened to a lot of the audio books.

>>52017933
>Pls help
Ok, mail them to me.

>>52016802
As a fellow non-dude I haven't had any problem. I go there to play and talk about the game as well as have friendly banter. There are plenty of other non-dudes that come and go. Dressing down and for reals no make up can help take the focus off of your appearance. Keeping the focus mostly on the game is your best bet for conversation.

One thing I want to do, but hesitate to ever bring up because I think it would be weird, is to invite some of the regulars over to my basement to have a big apoc game pizza party. I just want to sit in my comfy chair in my pajamas and get a little drunk while playing a huge game. It seems like it sends the wrong idea out there.

>>52017340
This has been my experience too.

>>52017939
Marines Malevolent are like dark eldar but with space marine privilege and they're not gay ass elves.

They are OBJECTIVELY the best army.

Been playing my chaos into a friends necrons, (havent won a single fucking game btw) and i was wondering, am I the only one who thinks the ghost arks are simply op. able to repair warriors on a d3 for free? this shit pisses me off.

How viable Gould it be to make a dark eldar pirate fleet to start?

>>52018076
That sounds like something crazy fun. I don't have my own place though, am one of those live with parents dweebs.

I've never liked makeup, to the point that I was that annoying "IM NOT LIKE OTHER GRLS" person. I've recently been trying it out, just to be kind of normal.

Either way, I don't care to wear it.

>all these wymminz bitching about autists hitting on them
Am I the only one around here who doesn't go full 'pls marry me' every single time I see a girl who shares my opinions or hobby?

Holy fucking shit.

>>52017767
I'd think about replacing the devs with scouts, and a plasma gun with a flamer for close quarters shooty.
Depending on points you save, 2 squads of scouts can put a lot of shooty out alongside your bolter dudes.

>>52018111
Pretty sure one girl said she was worried about it happening and the other girls said "No one really does that".

Are heavy thunder hammers good? They seem very all or nothing. Especially as terminators can't take them for some reason.

>>52018111
No, we are just paranoid and self-conscious creatures.

That being said, it does happen a lot and I fucking hate it. Not for my own sake, but because I turn the room into an awkward place.

>>52018120
What will take out tanks then?

>>52018111
But by making that post you're feeding in the very conversation you're complaining about.

Why not add something to the thread?
Have you played any nice games?

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So I've only really bothered with the fluff and books up until now and am finally jumping in to the game.
I know it's only 500 points but how is this for helping to learn the game and build up from?

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>>52018085
Having problems?

>>52018138
Scouts with missile launchers.
You don't need to worry about IG tanks to the point of needing 4 lascannons at 500, and if you run into a tank line at 500, your opponent is a cunt and out to be slapped.
Even then, 2-3 shots at AV14 is not in your favor. Krak missiles at side armor from your scouts gets work done.

>>52018132
They ARE very all or nothing.

Personally when i use them it's along with two ablative storm shield marines and two lightning clawed vanguard vets, or a one model "shoot me before i wreck your vehicles" distraction.

>>52017903

Cool thanks Brojam and Earl.
Looks like the 75x42 one.

Gonna help differentiate the bikers a lot easier now.
Not to mention just looking nicer as well.

>>52018154
Split the scouts in to two squads, one to sit still and one to move up.

>>52017926
If you're going to take that solo Onager you qualify for a Dominus Manple and can take a Tech-Priest Dominus, which would allow you to put a ranger squad in there too and get a free reroll to hit.

Maybe you don't want to bother with FW but taking Peltasts instead of a Vanguard unit might be in your favor as they put out some good firepower.

>>52018154
Tacticals can only take a heavy weapon if they're in a ten man team.

>>52018054
>They did all the work no one else wanted to, prevented terra from falling, and then got shit on for it.
Should have adopted the codex then son of dorn. :^)

Have fun with your fists and fortifying your position, my battle brother from another primarch. Like I said, just act like a normal person and it'll be fine.

>>52018104
I live with my mom, but she has a massive basement that has its own door leading to it, so we can be more isolated. I didn't like make up for a while either, nor did I really like painting miniatures. The more I got into make up the more I liked painting the minis. It's fun adding your own flair to yourself or your minis.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll be fine. And now that we've gotten that out of the way.

>Picking hunky superhuman butt buddies as your army
Now I know you grew up liking yaoi.

It's okay, I collected Blood Angels as my first in 5th edition

>>52018200
I know its a bit of a meme, but im asking from a game balance perspective. It doesn't seem reasonable to me.

>>52018085
just blow it up

>>52018229
That's chaos marines, loyals can take a special or heavy below 10 and both if 10 or above.

>>52018239
Oh yeah, that is definitely me. I am the turtley-ist player of all time in any video game I play.

Slowly move forward and take ground only when I can safely do so with no risk.

I know it's not viable for 40k but that's what I like!

>>52018204
I'll see what I can change up and post it in a bit.

>>52018241
Honestly I was unhealthily obsessed with yu-yu hakusho but yeah you got me.

>>52018280
easier said than done, quantum shielding, i have to be in melta range to effectively do it with my current list.

>>52018301
>Oh yeah, that is definitely me. I am the turtley-ist player of all time in any video game I play.

>Slowly move forward and take ground only when I can safely do so with no risk.

>I know it's not viable for 40k but that's what I like!
That's Death Guard CSM

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Any glaring issues with this list?

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Thoughts on the attached? Going to a 50~ person event in 2 weeks with pretty solid prize support and counts as a large event for ITC so I'm hoping to do well.

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>>52018301
>not viable in 40k

>>52018227
Yeah, I love the Peltasts but I'm going to wait until they get official rules. If they lose relentless or their caster's shred option gets nerfed, they won't be nearly as attractive.

Good shout on the Dominus Maniple, I hadn't noticed that. Just need the Tech-Priest and I can use that for larger games.

>>52018323
Well, I would have to buy entirely new things for that wouldn't I? And I am not a traitorous faggot.

>>52018335
Remember I an a nub, I just assume any well assembled multiplayer game won't just let someone sit behind a wall and lob bombs forever.

>>52018335

It isn't viable in 40k though. The best armies have lots of fast scoring options and play across the table.

>>52018054
>mail them to me
I mean, they're mostly Daemons and CSM.

>>52018307
get a better list then

>>52018387
Well I was just told death guard is what I should play :O

>>52018335
You ever wonder why gunline Guard lose? Because of castling up. You can do it as Tau because of JSJ though.

>>52018364
>well assembled multiplayer game
That's not 40k though.

40k is a miniature display case with 30 years od compounded rules stapled to the back of it's head.

>>52018111

Memes are strong, man.

What's funny is that at my one LGS, it's a gallery of stereotypes, yet there are plenty of girls there. No one goes all M'lady on them and we all hang out like a big group of friends.

>>52018138
The only time I have seen it happen was at my old lgs, which was a complete sausage except for one girl who played YGO and another mtg, both were semi-regular. The YGO crowd was mostly a tight nit crowd that did traveled to bigger events, so she was fairly integrated. The mtg chick was integrated in the group, but she had orbiters. Lots of them. In fact, I thought the whole orbiter thing was just some meme until I started watching her when she was in shop.

She actually tried to ring me in, but I'm too autistic for real flirting let alone subtle maybe flirting. It was bizarre to actually see it.

Anyway, I hate using the meme, but after 13+ years of hanging out in game stores, just be yourself and don't worry about it. If people are going to sperg out, they were going to do it anyway.

>>52018391
true, im working on it, but i was mostly talking about how ghost arks repair (and most necron shit) is unreasonable. they have no real downsides, am i the only one who thinks this? its all i wanna know

>>52018423
Hah.

>>52018425
Yeah I am going to try to not be autistic

>>52018442
>no real downsides
Well most Necron units are one-trick ponies, they do one thing and nothing else.

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>>52018330
>Ynnari
GTFO

>>52018442
Necrons have one of the more competitive codexs atm for sure but not because of ghost arks lol
Eldar and tau are way more cheese anyhow

>>52018508
i may be being dense here, but care to provide an example.

>>52018442
Necrons are shit in melee, you need to be mobile or you will get btfo

>>52018442

You are 100% the only person who thinks this. Necrons are a cakewalk when faggots like >>52018330 are running around.

>>52018330
Now this is what a waac list looks like

>>52018530
Ik arks don't make their lists but everything seems to add up with necrons, baseline stat-wise necrons are already good but RP with decurion and the ability to just bring them back for free. it just ticks me off.

>>52018335
>>52018406
Just today I fought a 1k game of IG vs Kharn. Fucking hell I was slaughtered, and through very little fault of my own. He had 4 berzerker squads, and two of them were in combat with me on turn. Freaking. One!

Turn two was just mop up, because the troops he charged into broke or were chopped up into mincemeat, and between all the berzerkers and the chaos demon he had destroyed my infantry platoon, a tank, and a chimera and half it's veteran squad. On turn 1! I didn't even know that was possible! But he rolled on the table and got 2D6 free movement, then his movement phase, and then suddenly he's in charge range with rerolls and +3 and gaaaah! He won in two turns and I never even had any agency!

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I started 3D printing some models - So far, five tactical marines and a Rhino.

The marines came out whatever, but I'm really happy with how the rhino developed. With some cleaning up and paint, it's definitely tabletop worthy.

Anyone here have experience 3D printing tabletop models?

>>52018563
granted, but that would mean im forced to change my list from how i wanted to play to something completely different, i thought warhammer was about fun.

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>>52018120
You mean something like this?

I still have 85 points to put in places.

>>52018588
No it just means your list sucks against necrons

i want to be makings of the going fast and hitting and fading

never done table top yet, but i was thinking some kind of deep striking army based around drop pod/storm eagle combo.

probably gonna wait till 8th ed at this point, but i'd like to know y'alls opinion of the neatest looking ships the space marines get. storm eagles, yea or nay?

>>52018588
>i thought warhammer was about fun.

But you're not trying to have fun, you're trying to win.

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R8 my Sally list. Never played before, just trying to see what I could do with some stuff I have if I ever did play.

>>52018594
I'd get another scout squad, or cheap armor like a razorback/whirlwind. You can afford either, and putting out cheap av works in your favor.
I respect the fact that you are using plasma instead of grav, it means you are doing what you like over raw number crunching
>>52018583
Welcome to IG prior to 5e. I have fond memeories of IG getting chainfucked by assault units.

>>52016449
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how lazy can you be ?

>>52018644
yes i am, for the FIRST time. Its not fun when all you do is lose to the same fucking list.

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>>52016449
Anyone leak his rules?

How about Fallen Angels?

>>52018653
Infantry is slow and will be gunned down, Redeemer is sadly garbage that can only hit with one cannon at a time.
Mixing weapons on devastators means half the guns will always be out of range/firing at a sub-optimal target.

>>52018672
Some lists just cant win against certain lists, like that campy IG anons game vs the khorne army itt
play other armys or adapt your list
Also we dont know your list or the necrons so dunno what to tell you other than that.

So I've finally got some money and time, and I come back to see that 40K is getting interesting again.

I used to play Chaos, but I'm interested in something shooty after spending a few years on historical games. What's good for shooty these days besides Tau? Mechanicum look cool but I've been out of this for long enough that they're new to me.

>>52018327
Yeah, you're missing compulsory terminators and an auxiliary from your warband

>>52018587
I've done some terrain and conversion bits for various projects, but the simple answer is if you want them to have the same level of detail as the plastic you need to use a printing process that will cause them to be almost as expensive, so it's not really worth it. (unless you happen to own a $30k resin layup printer for other reasons)

Larger stuff is easier to do because you can print in PLA and then just scrape/sand it smooth and allow for the small thickness lost in the process.

Currently building a Zone Mortalis board for 30k using printed parts and MDF

>>52018653
>garbage/10
>>52018730
>What's good for shooty these days
Every army save 2.

>>52018723
Im thinking of going tempestus with assassinorum. if im going to lose, then i might as well do it in style/ fun. Not sure yet tho.

>>52018730
Mobile shooty or campy shooty

>>52018730
>Mechanicum look cool but I've been out of this for long enough that they're new to me.
Mechanicum is a very fun shooty army. They can punch with the big boys, but much like SM they aren't so broken that you can never have fun casual games.
Plus they have great models, and you can fluff basically any alliance by saying "it's for some tech"

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>>52018699
So scrap the redeemer, go for some rhinos/speeders and synchronize the devastators?

>>52018739
>compulsory terminators
Compulsory Elites.
Second unit.

Aux is missin tho'

>>52018656
The models I have to choose from is a contemptor dreadnought, vindicator, devastators, assault marines, or a librarian.

>>52018785
Iron warriors can take a 1-3 fortifications as aux, it's the strongholds of chaos formation

>>52018772
>So scrap the redeemer, go for some rhinos/speeders and synchronize the devastators?

Yeah, or pods.

what should i use muh cataphractii as
regular termies or assault termies?

>>52018768
I was thinking campy, but I'm flexible.

>>52018787
Nothing that fits in your points... Could bolster the bolter bodies.

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How do you paint these fucking faces to be like on the fucking box, fucking fuck this little bitch fucker face

>>52018853
Someone should ask Duncan how to paint faces.

>>52017903
Bro. Good Job

>>52018853
Thin your paints

>>52017946
rhinos for infiltrating melta chosen? sure
rhinos for random csm squads? enh? maybe but probably not

>>52018853

#Vyndica painting and have someone who isn't hit do it

>>52018844
>18844 ▶
>>>52018787 (You)
>Nothing that fits in your points... Could bolster the bolter bodies.


I could have heavy bolter devastators instead of scouts maybe?

They can still blow up tanks.

>>52018723
It wasn't even campy! I was planning on moving up to take an objective with my infantry, protect a second with a tank commander that could then be taken by the PCS, and I had two veteran squads, one of which was going to shoot for linebreaker. I never got to do any of that though because my men were in melee before my first turn!

If I had realized Khornate Berzerkers could move 30 goddamn inches on turn 1 I would have barracaded myself in the corner. Fuck the Mealstrum Objectives because apparently the only game you play with melee armies is "Table or be tabled".

>>52018930
Don't have the mobility to position for side armor.
Well, if you have the models, I'd try different combinations.

so what's the most "get in your face and slap your shit in melee army"? No pussy ranged shit

Chaosfag here
CSM codex vehicle options says "5pt - additional combi bolter" I have a few questions
Can a rhino take one ? Or is this supposed to replace a weapon like a combi melta/plasma/flamer ? Anyone might getting me right ? Also if this is doavle why don't we see it in every 5man csm with a plasgun and rhino unit ever ?

>>52018949
I dont suppose it's a good idea to have half lascannons and half heavy bolters on them do you

>>52018952
See>>52018941

>Khornate Berzerkers can move 30 goddamn inches on turn 1

>>52018952
Khornate berzerkers, apparently.

>>52018952

GSC is probably your most consistent choice.

>>52018961
rarely. most often not.

>>52018977
so is that chaos space marines?

>>52018956
No idea what you're trying to communicate.

>>52018952
Orks

:^)

>>52018988
it's specifically World Eater's Legion CSM

>>52018956
You can strap any of those options to a Rhino. If you wanted, you could load one up with the standard combi-bolter, an extra combi-bolter, a combi-plasma, and a havoc launcher for a real dakkabox.

The reason you don't see many people doing that is it's still just a Rhino, so it's likely to get blown up before making good use of those guns.

>>52018961
No, you don't really want to both with that.

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>>52018898

Nigger I thinned the fuck out of my paints I still can't figure out how to paint it like this

>>52019023
>>52018984
I added 2 marines each to my tactical squads, now the question is what do I do with my librarian?

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>>52019004
>>52018983
I'll look into both thanks

>>52019027
You do >a dozen layers slowly lightning the colour each time.

>>52018085
Necronfag here, recently got into chaos myself.

They're definitely OP, when I field them they pretty much always make up their point cost in warriors brought back alone.

>>52019037
Stick him with you devastators and take divination to aid their aim.

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I have a bunch Chaos Space Marines that I recently picked up, I made a list essentially showing what I have and the WYSIWYG equips.

I haven't touched Warhammer in years, but I'd like to pick it up again, even if I'll essentially have to re-learn the game.

What I'm asking is, where should I go with these guys?

The equipment is kind of all over the place, especially on the terminators. I'd like to pick up some Rhinos for the marines, and maybe grab a Vindicator.

I'd like the whole army to be Nurgle-based, if possible.

What are some suggestions for someone who's been out of the loop?

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>>52018653
Dude if you got some friends get table top simulator and try it. I was in the same boat wishing like hell to play this game, so I just read all the rules one day and put together some dudes in table top simulator. Friends all asked me what the hell I was doing and I convinced them to give it a try. We all like it now because its like playing an RTS without stress or autism.
>Pic related is me finding out how much BS3 sucks with the vanquisher cannon.

>>52019065
It was reccomended I take out the devies for a scout squad and more marines.

I prefer the devastators but I see their point.

>>52018683
We know literally everything about what the Space Marines get (Fucking reboxed Strike Force Ultra had me laughing) but know absolutely nothing about the rules for anything else.

>>52018993
My rhino can take any vehicle option from the list. List contains "additional combi bolter" aswell as "combi-whatever". What are the rules concerning what I can/cannot put on my rhino (if a weapon needs to be replaced or anything, as in "can I load one of every combi weapon on my rhino and get avay with it rulewise ?") And also, in the case of being able to get this 5pt additional combi bolter on a rhino, why isnt it more popular on the small squads of marines, as 1 24" or 2 12" twin linked shots seem pretty good to increase their efficiency for the price

>>52019101
You can take 1 combi-bolter, 1 combi-other, and 1 havoc launcher on a rhino. You generally don't, because Chaos shit is expensive and you have better options to spend 5 points on.

>>52019101
See >>52019022

>>52019101
• A vehicle that moved at Combat Speed may fire a single weapon using its
Ballistic Skill. The vehicle can also fire Snap Shots with other weapons if it
wishes, though, of course, it cannot fire any weapons that cannot be fired as Snap
Shots.

Is why.

>>52019067
First thing would be getting the traitor legions supplement. It gives you some great benefits, especially when you play nurgle.

>>52016788
>Primarch
>Doesn't have EW
Source: your ass

>>52019022
Man I definitely gotta try this on my friend who likes to come with his 2 full cases of hormagaunts. Thanks for answering !
I like the extra combi bolter, idk if it's just a placebo or anything but I always get a lucky wound on some unit using it (glanced the last hullpuint of a rhino full of spacewolf cc newbies forcing them to footslog, nice feeling)

Thinking of going tempestus as my main formation . Any interesting allied detachment that could be effective. I was thinking tank squads, but it seems like the easy way out.

>tfw game store in mall has GW clearance
>2 PCS, 3 Infantry squads, 1 Chimera and a Scion squad 40% off
Fuck me, I can't stop buying and I still have my mechanized guardsmen and tanks to paint

>>52019176
Vendetta Flier spam formation maybe.

>>52019192
>playing Guard in current year

>>52019027
Watch some of Duncans videos but sometimes no matter how hard you try you will fail. There are always commissions for those people.

Okay okay, since asking for general deathwatch advice last thread didn't really work, I'll try to think of some specific questions. Feel free to only answer a couple if you like, I know this is a lot of them.

1: If four guys have frag cannons, what should the fifth take?

2: So adding deathwatch librarians to my mainly Mechanicus army seems potentually useful. What kinda tables are most handy?

3: Is it a good idea to combat squad a shooty and an assault unit of veterans into the same drop pod?

4: On that note, What's a good way to build an assault squad of veterans?

5: I have ten unbuilt vanguard veterans from an abandoned project I'm gonna repurpose into deathwatch guys. How to make best use of them?

6: How good are stalker Bolters? Do they synergise well with any specialist weaponry?

7: What should a blackshield take?

8: So terminators... It kinda seems like adding a few with ass cannons to a shooty unit, or hammershields to a combat unit can be handy to raise overall survivability?

9: I should probably list some stuff my Skitarii/cult mech aren't great at as deathwatch are an army of specialists, right?

-Popping jinking transports. I actually really struggle to do well against Dark Eldar with Cult Mech.
-Targeted removal of Superheavies and deathstars. I can sorta do it with robot spam or my three Grav-Kataphrons, but I'd like to have more solutions in my pocket.
-Can't really think of much else at the moment.

10: Unrelated modelling question: If I get Tartaros or Cataphractii terminators, are there any good ways to make their pauldrons deathwatchy, or am I stuck just modding their arms?

>>52019205
>playing anything other than aeldari
>current year

>>52019173
The most I usually run with is an Extra combi-melta. Gives the Rhino a bit of extra anti-vehicle threat so people are less likely to ignore it after the troops are out.

Is there any ways to make the Tau Breachers anymore effective?

>>52017536
Corax supported the Codex Astartes and is thus a faggot by default.

>>52019248
Put them in a Devilfish and have Darkstrider with them. Enjoy Instant Death on toughness 4 models

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>>52019226
>playing Aeldari

>>52017536
Then ran off crying when Kurze appeared

>>52018952
Daemons, hordes of fucking daemonettes and bloodletters (backed up by summoners because they're brittle like straw) swarming the enemy.

>>52019225
>1: If four guys have frag cannons, what should the fifth take?
A stormshield to take the inevitable ap3 heat coming your way.

>2: So adding deathwatch librarians to my mainly Mechanicus army seems potentually useful. What kinda tables are most handy?

Whichever psyker tables buff movement or vehicles.

If you want to pop light transport skimmers, either get an Icarus Array Onager to make DEldar cry, or bring som robots with torrent flamers. You can bust their vehicles, deny their jink AND kill the transported unit all at the same time.

>>52018853
are you painting over grey plastic?

Do people play pure dark eldar lists, like the space pirate stuff?

>>52017767
I think I will go with the devastators just because I like them more than sneaky units.

Do you guys think I should go for lascannons on them or missile launchers?

I have one tac squad with a plasma gun for heavier units,and the other with a flamer for the template fire.

>>52019407
Well, my older brother does, and one of the workers at local GW does. So I'd say ye

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>>52017767
Hey.

From one fist to another, disregard scouts. Acquire additional devastators. Lascannon tank hunters is great, heavy bolters with rerolling is also great.

Consider collecting units towards a sternhammer. Twinlinked bolt weapons are happy bolt weapons.

Fist librarians can and should take the bones of osrak and an additional mastery level.

This isn't really advice for 500pts, but just in general as you collect for larger games.

Also, if you haven't painted yellow armor before or have a method in mind, the warhammertv one for fists is great. White spray primer, yriel, reikland target wash, highlight, done. Its not Duncan though so I'm sorry in advance.

Hope that helps. Good luck, fellow yellow.

>>52019225
>Popping jinking transports. I actually really struggle to do well against Dark Eldar with Cult Mech.

There's a reason the Omnissiah revealed the Icarus Array Donkey Tank to his devoted worshippers anon...

>>52019409
Lascannons. Get those explodes.

>>52017258
Yeah that pisses me off too which is a real shame because Dawn of War's voice acting is fucking awesome. The only units that don't sound cool are the Space Marine vehicle guy because he just sounds like he's bored and the Possessed Marines who sound strangely calm for dudes that have daemons inhabiting their bodies.

To anyone who has fell for the 1d4 "DoW has shit voice acting" meme just listen to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiYaz_MBjIk

>>52019425
Ok. I'm just having a tough time choosing between them, necrons, or tau.

>>52018971
Wait how? They can move 6 inches, if you take the Maelstrom of Gore formation you get 3+ inches to your charge range, and the max you can roll for a charge is 12.

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Alright, is pic related a step in the right direction from my previous attempt? >>52018653
Again, never played the game, just trying to put some idea of an army together based on stuff I have

>>52019479
I will always hear this voice everytime my psyker does anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpmiq8sTH0k

>>52019495
DEldar are definitely cool, but they lack content/options in their book, so most "good" DEldar lists will probably look pretty similar. Necrons are neat, but homogeneous and sterile, and I'd imagine I'd get tired of playing them after a bit. Tau are cool and have a few different lists, no psychic or melee though. Also you will get shit from the community for playing Tau. That's just the way it is

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>>52019435
Hooray a fellow IF person!

Yes I actually wanted to do the sternhammer formation for my first army, I had a list put together and everything.

It was reccomended I start at 500 before I go up to that, and I see the reasons.

I'll upload what I was thinking, any advice is welcomed!

>>52019457
Ok, cannnn do

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>>52019225
1. Shotgun. Then take more shotguns.

2. Fill your gaps. Whatever those gaps are.

3. Probably not. Different target priority, same location.

4. With a lot of guns. I dont have a good answer for you yet.

5. In an assault squad killteam or running as individuals for objective shenanigans.

6.amazing. take an entire purgatus team. I love them. Ammo makes them great against any target.

7. Power weapons. Have him chop while a shielded sgt tanks hits from challengers might be good.

8. Take an excessive amount of assault cannons.

9. Bring cheap bodies and anti tank. Mostly bodies.

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>>52019532
>1:42

>>52019407
I did until the Ynnari came around, it's still basically the same list, but just added in some CWE Rangers for the troop tax so I can take my Trueborn.

Old list:
Realspace Raiders + Haem Covens Grotesquerie and a Dark Artisan

New List:
Same Ynnari Reborn Warhost( basically the same shit I used to take, just add Rangers) + Grotesquerie + Dark Artisan

I'm currently thinking of dropping the Dark Artisan because it rarely ever arrives on turn 2 to do anything. Might take some Incubi or more Reavers. Possibly some Harlequins.

>>52019479
DoW voice actors even made Grey Knights sound good
https://youtu.be/ilSDgI1JONw