Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>51920996
First for nids

/tg/ is the easiest board on 4chan to troll, people can't stop taking the bait.

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>>51921016
Forgot the picture

Is there anywhere to find a run down on how to use green stuff?

I've had to pick some up to fix some gaps in my ravenwing, but outside "mix it together until it's green, then shove it in" there's not a lot of info.

Do I need to re-prime the model because of it etc?

>>51921033
I think that's why the 40kg bingo card is posted so often.
Each thread usually had at least 3 of them because people know they'll get (you)'s from it.

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Let's do this one more time.
Post your entire collection as a list, upgrades optional
Not pictured: a hierophant

>>51921036
Nids are best

Why the fuck are all Eldar players SJWs advocating female Astartes.

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>>51921052
These guys will know how to handle green stuff: >>51907683
Paint won't stick to green stuff, it does need to be primed.

Can I get a little C&C for my Super-Mega Fun-line list?

>>51921094
Low test army for low test males

Would a CSM MoN biker list be too much against newer players?

>>51921094
>female Astartes
Do the autists not realize that the process would both just end up turning the female into a male anyway AND have CATASTROPHICALLY lower success rate? Like, we're talking literally thousands of times lower. Just to get something that is, at best, a half-abomination.

>>51921036
You didn't forget. It just arrived via Deep Strike on a later turn.

>>51921122

Yes. New players aren't aware of how fast bikes can close the gap.
MoN bikers using Traitor legions is sadistic even against normal players.

>>51921134
A lot of it's shitposting, and the rest is a few betas who think it's a legit cause

Nth for the Aedarki Aeldari

>>51921171
Being a 5th edition player, I had no idea how fast everything was now. It's insane. It's also kinda nice because I like to use my big blobs of Guardsmen to charge with Straken's Furious charge, so I'm all welcoming them closing the big gap it would take me to run all the way over.

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>>51921184
>Aedarki Aeldari

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>>51921087
>Post your entire collection as a list,

This was disappointingly easy.

>>51921122
Depends on what he's running, really, and how well you know how to use it.

Typically, though, I'd advise against it because I play Slaaneshi Noise Marines/Raptors/Terminators, and think that Nurgle Biker spam is just a lazy list that requires little skill compared to other Chaos lists, especially now with Traitor Legions.

That's just my opinion, though. You can run whatever you want, and I'd still play against a Nurgle Biker list because your Jinking is useless against my Sonic Weapons and striking first with Lightning Claws means I'll win most combats

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>>51920996
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a copyright-friendly faction rebrand is "gay". It's not. It's GW's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Astartes or Astra Militarum. If they bring multiple and in the Age of the Emperor, then yes that is pretty retarded.

Also Walkers are not vehicles. They're just a unique subtype. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If World Eaters had the same love that Space Marines then that would be fine.

A "fun" theme song to listen to is something that tries to represent all the neat fluff of the army in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single genre. A good dubstep artist would know that some well supported sick drops is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti eardrum fire power than metal music.

I'm so tired of hearing non Raptors players complain about "muh tacticool dudes or muh Leviathans" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the color shcemes. Just because you get butthurt at the shitposters doesn't mean that the other Raptors players have to stop using a particular army. Quit bitching.

>>51921171
To be fair Death Guard formation rules aren't quite as beneficial as you'd hope given the compulsory tax. You get stealth outside of 18" of shooting but not within and the rerollable 1 on FNP is negligable. Death Guard are still too expensive for what they offer to stack the weapon skill and initiative debuff to still fit bikes , troop and anti air/havocs and are better off as MoN marines.

>>51921134
>a half-abomination

The female half, right?

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Eldar should just be removed. They're not fun. They're not interesting. And canonically they're dying off so it feels weird buying a bunch of them, and they appeal to whiny beta political cucks. Just kill off the cheap space Elves already.

>>51921169
kek
>>51921087
I just got in and don't know what to add to round out my list. I wanted to play them because big dudes and I loved gene stealers. The GSC came out and I don't know what to do besides loose money.

>>51921190

>Straken
The temptation to use him to build an assault focused IG army is too real.
S4 infantry blobs on the charge with attached priests to re-roll hits, maybe wounds too.
Supported by divination psykers who grant full BS overwatch, Rending close combat attacks or the 4++ for the unit.

>>51921255
Actually, i meant that as in ''not COMPLETELY hideous and disgusting but still creepy and off-putting'', but sure, you go with that.

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>>51921273
This whole remembering the picture bit is hard

>>51921256
No

>>51921256
I'll take the bait. But Eldar are far from boring. Read their stories. Path of the Dark Eldar was fucking great.

>>51921276
Put them in a castellan for free hatred.

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>>51921256
>be privileged little shits who get an empty galaxy and god-tech from their creators and all they have to do is indulge in hedonism and breed like animals
>manage to fuck everything up for everyone in the most spectacular way possible since they're a bunch of degenerates
>act all high and mighty and consider other species beneath them despite having a track record worse then the most vile worshipers of Chaos
They're privileged, spoiled brats, supreme degenerates and super-hypocrites. You can tell why they appeal to the vermin that plays them.

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>>51921293

Yes.

Take it from an Eldar player who has a Tumblr and reposts shit like this with a lengthy rant about women's representation in tabletop wargaming.

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WHO /SERVANT OF THE 4 ARMED EMPEROR/ HERE

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Reposting for hopefully more constructive feedback
How do you like my casual list?

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>>51921329

Cool, is that the cover of 8th edition?

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>>51921343
Nah senpai

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>>51921343
SKREEE

>>51921276
My brother in arms, you understand. I load up on blobs, Straken, Primaris Psykers and Imperial Agents Astropaths.

Keeping Straken alive can be tough though, especially with him challenging everyone and everything. The Priest can make him re-roll his 5++ Invuln, but unless a Psyker gives him Forewarning, re-rollable 5++ won't save you that often from Powerfists. I usually run a Chimera with Camo Netting. I've been using Bullgryns too lately, so they help giving his vehicle a 3+ cover save. I've got to rework the list but I've been working on a few ideas.

>>51921306
That is nice, especially if you throw in small 10 man squads to eat Overwatch, or to speed bump an assault unit until you can get the charge off. The problem with Castellans is that you still need something like Stubborn or Fearless to make sure your blobs don't run, so you're likely still going to spend the points on a Commissar or Priest.

A nice character for that is Jacobus since he has an aura of Fearless and Counter-Attack. It can be pretty swell to sit in front of an assault squad, cast Prescience, order FRFSRF and then wait to be charged. Only issue with that is when they ignore your bait and speed over to something else.

Also you can't take Straken with Castellans.

>>51921094
>>51921256
How many times are you going to post it in a single thread?

At least other shitposters have the decency to only do it once per general.

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Reminder that you can't lose if you eat your opponents models.

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>>51921356
The oppressive bourgeois of the corpse emperor are the ones needing to be purged

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>>51921343
Brother shall we show them what true darkness is?

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>>51921365
>playing Chaos failure marines

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>>51921343
I rather not be a bugfucker.

Threadly reminder

the average Tau player
>"nice guy"
>might have a fedora
>beta as fuck
>moralfag who feels superior
the average Necron player
>edgy
>autist or aspie
>misanthropist
>hates normies
the average Eldar player
>Neckbeard
>Weeb
>escapist
>enlightened by his own intelligence

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>>51921343
>>51921382
>>51921383
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>>51921396
>xenos
>heretics
>mutants
>also psykers
Holy shit how can one faction be so heretical

>>51921350

Too much crap on the hammerhead.
Lose it all except for the disruption pods, maybe hold onto the spines.

Try and squeeze in a pathfinder team for markerlight support.

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>>51921409
>Calling the true Emperor a fucking bug

HERESY
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What are you anons up to tonight? And I know I just finished the batrep today but would you guys be interested if I dumped a bunch of the pictures from my last game?

And I played a massive Apocalypse game yesterday it took about 7 hours total is that pretty standard for one anons?

>>51921350
>>51921417

Never mind the second point, just saw what the drones are carrying.

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>>51921383
>a bug
>having an opinion
>it mattering

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>>51921423
>Thinking your fat fuck that just leads you getting eaten by space bugs is anything of worth

>>51921087
On my phone but:

++HQ++
Librarian Dreadnought (BA)
LibrarianTerminator (BA)
Archon (DE)
Commander (Tau)
Librarian (DA)

++Troops++
10x Warriors (DE)
10x Warriors (DE)
5x Scouts (BA)
5x Scouts (BA)
5x Scouts (BA)
10x Firewarriors (Tau)
10x Tactical Marines (DA)
10x Tactical Marines (DA)
10x Deathwatch Veterans
10x Deathwatch Veterans
10x Deathwatch Veterans

++Elites++
1x Vindicare Assassin
1x Cullexes assassin
1x Eversor assassin
1x Callidus assassin
1x Ghostkeel
3x Stealth Suit
3x Crisis Suit
5x Incubi
10x Terminators (BA)
5x Deathwing Terminator
5x Deathwatch Terminators
20x Genestealers

++Fast++
12x Reaver Jetbikes
2x Raiders
1x Venom
2 Drop Pods
1x Corvus Blackstar
2x Pirahna

++Heavy++
1x Leman Russ
2x Hammerhead Gunship

++LoW++
1× Baneblade

>>51921410
Threadly reminder

the average [your army] player
>loser
>smells bad
>probably still gets breastfed

the average [my army] player
>physique to rival a Greek god
>wins every game unless they feel like letting their opponent taste victory for once
>all around really great guys

I play Skubmarines, by the way

>>51921424
>unpainted Yncarne
This is my favorite meme. Good luck painting that thing you stupid shits.
It's why I haven't fully assembled mine yet.

>batrep
Did you already report your Apoc game? I'd love to hear about it. Honestly though, any constructive input would be excellent, GGA. The past few threads have been utter shit.

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>>51921380

I'm a noob and bought my first Orks ever and drilled my first gun barrel. I also spent $250 on an airbrush and compressor because I thought it would make my models look better. But I have a feeling I made a hugely novice mistake.

>>51921424

>is that pretty standard for one anons?
Depends on the points and what armies are playing.
Daemons and Tau really stretch out the length of a turn in apoc games.

Last apoc game I played, 7500 points each, took 6 hours.

>>51921414
your sister came pretty easy for us.

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>>51921450
Those guardsmen you celebrate? 99% of them are followers of the true god

also

>Implying ascension into the hive is bad

I want corpse-fags to leave

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>>51921460
>mfw not even playing
>mfw just triggered an autist to start projecting

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>>51921491

>>51921494
>being so ashamed of your army that you pretend you don't play
It's alright buddy, we can't all play my army.

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>>51921491
DIRTY.
STINKING.
MUTANTS.

>>51921512
>he desperately needs this to be true
Sorry m8.

>>51921521
I think you missed the point

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>Forgeworld Metalica transfer sheets are no longer in production
>Mars decals are all white and won't show up on the white paintscheme
Should I abandon Metalica? I feel like without the red decals they'll look too bland.

>>51921424
Played a 20k apoc, took 12 straight hours and three people on each side, our turns were limited to an hour each, an hour of setup, an hour after turn three for lunch and general planning
My side was at least 5k in just gaunts so yeah

>>51921536
F R E E

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>>51921410
>>51921460

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>>51921569

>20k points
Jesus Christ how big was your table?

>>51921572
I can't freehand for shit.

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>>51921587
Emperor bless!

>>51921607
Well time to practice, son!

>>51921607

Only one way to learn friendo.

>>51921591
Not him but I played an Apoc game that had 40k points for each side. Table was 12x12 (three tables separated so you could get between. Even then shit was so packed you had to use orbital bombardment and the like to clear room for deep strikers.

>>51921591
We somehow managed to fit on an 8x4.
It was Taudar and Salamanders (to be referred to as the alliance) vs Nids and Nurgle, the alliance side was a lot of big shit fully kitted-out (that fuckhuge Eldar titan and such) against 300 gaunts with some synapse support, some Nurgle formation in deepstrike and a group of 8 Carnifex' in a formation.
A lot of shit was in deepstrike and the gaunt squads came back the next turn. It was literal hell and my side lost 14:15 in objectives.

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>>51921343
Hiya

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>>51921693
What a great day for the brotherhood :)

>>51921052
So yes mix the putty until you have a consistent green and then place a small amount in the area you wish to fill. Push it in until the gap is filled and then use either your finger or end of a painbrush to smooth it over.

Once it has dried you can sculpt it. It is really simple to use you dont need a guide. The difficulty is if you start modelling your own stuff with it.

>>51921116
Really dislike the list. For 2000pts you do not have a lot at all. My 1500pts guard list has pask, 4 russes, 50 guardsmen, 2x wyverns and a vendetta. At least drop the command squad and add in some more infantry.

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>tfw want to do Word Bearers
>hate summoning with a passion
>posessed are trash
>unfluffy to take marks

>maybe do non legion warband, like The Scourged or The Harvest
>feel like it'd be wrong to use legion rules for dudes who were never a part of any of them
>free VotLW and other bonuses seem pretty useful
>autism says no

>love Black Legion and World Eater rules
>don't particularly care for either
>love Word Bearer fluff
>hate their rules

I don't know what to do. My autism will not stand counts-as either.

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Alright /tg/, we do a lot of talking about factions we like and shitposting about the players of each respective faction so let me ask you guys a question.

What is your LEAST favorite faction by fluff? Not rules, nor fanbase, just the concept of the faction and the roles it plays in the universe. What just doesn't do it for you?

I won't post my own for the sake of appearing unbiased.

Is there any options for Ork battlefield corpses like the SM corpses? Or will I have to make my own? I was planning on building an Ork themed battlefield wasteland board littered with bloody Ork corpses.

>>51921745

Rules should always be the first thing to not give a shit about. Just play a shitty WB list.

>>51921751

Dark Eldar

I just can't take them seriously. And I wonder where they keep all these huge armies if they only have Commoragh.

Are the genestealer units included in the Deathwatch Overkill game able to be used in a CAD? Can I bring Purestrain Princlings or the faithful throng in a normal game of 40k?

>>51921745
Play Iron Warriors.

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>>51921424
Painting and right now working on my close combat Guard list. I have some ideas, but I'm not sure. I've tried a few out with limited success. I've done mostly sitting back and shooting Guard, so my target priority and where I should move stuff is not so good when my whole army is advancing forward.

Also I know you can only take 3 Priests, but I usually take another 1 from Imperial Agents.

>>51921276
Have you thought of a list for it?

>>51921725
>>51921116

Ok, cheers.
It's my first lot of models, so don't particularly wanna screw em up.

>>51921751
>>51921768
This. Can't stand them. Super hypocrites, cowards and all around scum.

>>51921751
Necrons

>>51921768
Dark Eldar have pocket realms so each Archon has his own universe

>>51921768
Commorragh is incredibly vast.

>>51921751
Necrons. Not because they're actually bad but just because it feels like they don't bring much to the setting that isn't covered already by another faction. Eldar were the original "unbelievably ancient high-tech dying race", with Ynnead they even steal the whole "space undead' schtick. Tyranids do the "implacable emotionless scourge of all life with limitless numbers" thing much better, Chaos does the "spooky supernatural evil gods from beyond" better than C'Tan, AdMech is better for the "legions of unfeeling oldschool rayguntech robot/cyborgs" and so on.

I feel like they really need another angle to lean on for Necrons going forward.

>>51921768
>And I wonder where they keep all these huge armies if they only have Commoragh.
I don't think you understand how big Commorragh is...

>>51921772
Unclear, but I'm not sure why you would want to since everything in the actual Codex is almost straight up better.

>>51921224
Do you live in Houston by chance? Saw a guy with your exact models at a GW

>>51921818
True, but Necrons are second-best in all of those things (except being an ancient high-tech race, they're better then the Eldar there imo), and that makes them an unbelievable threat.

>>51921751
I just don't like space marines in general, salamanders are okay and space sharks I guess but everyone else is just trash

>>51921843
Is this bait? That list is literally just the Dark angels side of DV.

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>Eldar players

>>51920996
Who's gonna win the 40k bowl everybody?

>>51921745
This post speaks to me on a primal level. I love my bearers of the word. But damn i lf they are kinda average

>>51921751
Space Marines. Fluff, concept and visually speaking I really do not like them. To make it worse they are iconic, but everything them is so bland. I really like that humanity is bloated and mismanaged. I like that humanity in 40k is past the whole superior tech and aggressive expansion phase. I like that they are ridiculous and religious and a total mess.

Space Marines throw off that whole vibe for me and push away any potential interesting fluff character for their own stupid space drama. It's literally like watching a youtube video talking about other famous youtubers whenever I read anything that has to do with Space Marines, especially the Horus Heresy and anything about Primarchs.

Every time people discuss their own chapter, or post their minis or talk about fluff regarding Space Marines I sit there off put and confused, wondering why anyone finds them interesting. I do however, like Chaos Marines. I like the idea that Space Marines were once a thing, but I much prefer the idea that humanity can no longer recreate them. I'd love the Imperium more if the focus on awesome characters were extraordinary humans like Commissars, Commanders, notable warriors and Inquisitors.

That all said, Space Marine was a really fun game.

>>51921745
>>51921900
>needing OP rules for his favorite army

You guys are scum.

t. melee marine player

>>51921470
Clean those moldlines, head to /wipg/ and ask there

>>51921914
>I do however, like Chaos Marines

Guess how I knew you were retarded before I even read that.

BTW, you're offput by homebrew threads because they're all shit. You think a homebrew thread for non-space marine factions would be any less shit? /tg/ is full of shitters.

>>51921725

I can drop some gear for a baneblade?
I also have a Psykana division.

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>>51921914

>knocking the space paladins

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>>51921424
Dump em anon. As for what I'm working on, just finishing up some Vostroyans.

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>>51921745
>>51921900
>chaosfags trying to play for rules instead of fluff
fuck I thought you fags died out after Heldrakes were nerfed

>>51921818
I feel like most of it is the tone change they had when they became newcrons. Oldcrons were spooky and not much was known about them, they'd attack at what seemed like random leaving no survivors in dead silence, iirc the only sounds were twigs snapping or sand moving. There schtick was old school horror and they did it well. Now we're a bunch of saturday morning cartoon villains, for better or worse.

>>51921870
Oh, I honestly wouldn't know. I was being serious. Shame on me I guess.

>>51921329
>>51921363
How long before Emperor Guilliman decrees that female space marines should be created?

>>51921751
Either crons or marines.

My issues with marines would be fixed if they had their numbers buffed by a lot (so the Legions would be 1,000,000 and chapters 10,000 dudes) and if we actually saw more than the same few guys in the fluff all the time. It's a scale thing.

Also, less "10 marines murder a whole planet" fluff.

Some Necron characters seem fun/cool/wacky, but the line dudes just being immortal, brainless derpbots is uninteresting. Maybe if the nobles were immortal and robotic while the menials were still organic? Eh.

>>51921923
Hey i never said bad. I said average. In all honesty i think they have some amazing tools to really screw up your opponent. I just don't like having to be pidgeoned holes into a specific list that forces me to buy a whole nother army. I probably will still play them when I pick up some demons. But without them i might as well play a better legion with less situational rules

Note i am refering to comp/semi comp events. Kitcken table or gw games I'll rock the crimson and silver always

>>51921914
This is literally just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Or you're feeling emasculated by them since you find it easier to self-insert into an ordinary human then a demigod warrior. Or you're just plain retarded, because Space Marines are literally the greatest thing about the setting. Either way, get the fuck out.

>>51921961

Fukn sweet dude.
Never saw another vostroyan player here before.

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>>51921745
a loyalist word bearers chapter would be awesome to have in the setting

i always just think of the exorcists as one

>>51921751

You think Slaanesh gives his marines working cocks? I mean what's the point of having deamonette groupies if you can't fuck them?

>>51922068
Voyeurism

>>51922083

But without a working dick you can't even enjoy that.

>>51922068
>You think Slaanesh gives his marines working cocks
It's canon true.

>>51921945
I don't give a shit about your homo erotic gay space fantasy. They are dumb. A dumb teenage boy power fantasy. Chaos Marines are cool as ancient warriors that are a reminder of how far humanity has fallen from grace.

>>51921948
They knock themselves by being boring and visually lame.

>>51922033
How in the fuck can you think they are the greatest thing? The most boring and lazily written aspect of the entire setting is cool to you? Do you know how I know you don't read or watch any sort of media? Because you think Space Marines are cool. I don't have pathetic male power fantasies like you. It's not being contrarian, it's just noticing how bland Space Marines are. You can call me emasculated, but it sounds more like that's your issue. I'm not the one that needs to live vicariously through beefy men with plot armor as ridiculous as their body armor.

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>>51921424

Earlier in the day, I actually did a painting session for my LGS owner and might have a few new players for the game, which is cool.

Yesterday, I played pic related. 1000 point team game wirhYnnari Deldar+Clowns and my Sisters vs Crons and Ravenwing. We spent the game chasing down an invisible Librarian hiding with the relic in a unit of rerollable jinking knights. This pic was taken after the bastard hit and ran away from the Kranoness after she butchered his Knight leader in a challenge (thank the emperor for Hatred AoF). He was later cut off at the pass by the approaching immolators and venom so we could secure the the victory.

>>51922027

I'd just use 30k WB rules for non-daemon WB. Seems like the simplest solution

>>51920996
Getting 21 more chaos bikes thorough ebay

Thinking of doing biker horde of night lords - 2 units of 10 with lords in each.

Fill out the rest of a warband with shooting that can hide in ruins - havoks, marines, chosen with plasma, add a spawn for auxiliary...

>>51922112
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.

>>51922112
>hates space marines because they are boring homo erotic power fantasy
>likes CSM despite them being boring homo erotic evil power fantasy with S&M

>>51921843
Nah, just I've only got my half of Dark Vengeance so far.
Painting that up and figuring out how to play before I move on from there.

>>51922112
>unironically using the term ''male power fantasy''
Opinion=worthless.

>>51921876
Source? Need some new tumblrs to shitpost on

>>51921751
There's something appealing about ever faction for me except ultramarines. I get that you have to have the generic mascot army but there just isn't a sing aspect to them that stands out other than beind "da bestest chapter". Maybe if they pushed the Roman motif harder and toned down their mary-sueness I could get behind them but as it stands I just groan every time they show up.

>>51922155
One embraces what it is, the other tries to pretend it's cool.
>>51922159
I agree, it is stupid for using expressions that apply to exactly what something is. You can just admit you're weak faggot that thinks being strong is cool, it will speed things up.

>>51922160
Avalu40k

Pernicious SJW that wants fem space marines and thinks all other 40k players are fascist

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What are you guys working on? Just finished my Looted rhino on the right that I'm gonna use a trukk

>>51922112
Just saying this: Space Marines aren't sexualized, they aren't sexual and lore-wise they are neutered.

Ergo it is *literally* impossible for them to be a teenage power fantasy.

>>51922135
What is this /b/-tier pasta?

>>51922209
Hello, 1d4chan.

>>51922215
Damn man, your insecurities are leaking everywhere, in fact i'm 70% sure you're a woman.
>You can just admit you're weak faggot that thinks being strong is cool
>admiring anyone better then you is being a weak faggot
>instead you should scrutinize them and put your equals or lessers on a pedestal
Scratch that, 100% a woman. If not physically then mentally.

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>>51922209
i always think of them as potential enemies if they ever try their second empire shit again

so i like to size up my chapter against the ultras as some standard to try to beat. same with minotaurs

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>>51921745
I like the idea of chaos, but their models are just utter shit.

"Add more spikes to it!" does not make for a good model.

>>51922276
You just indirectly admitted to admiring Space Marines. Thank you, for the sensible chuckle.

>>51922215
>>51922112
>companionhood/brotherhood is "gay"
How do I know you're 12?

>>51921751
Least favorite:
Definitely Space Wolves.
WOLF THIS WOLF THAT WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF
And all they do is jack each other off on Fenris.

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>>51921751
I don't like the Skitarii because they took what could have been an interesting concept and made it into, "They're lab grown people who are mind controlled by robots controlled by their leader."

Like, that's the lamest fucking choice they could have made.

>>51922352
Daily reminder that Leman Russ is the most powerful Primarch according to 30k

Yes, he beats everyone mathematically. Even Angron

>>51922348
Same way I know you're gay. Everything about you just screams it.

That said, I think I'm done responding, I've said my piece and this is just pointless bickering.

>>51922352
To add to that, the only thing I really do like is all the use of frost/ice in the motif. I'm a sucker for ice-themed shit regularly. I like wolves, I like ice themes, but the way GW combines them into a marinewank just SUCKS.

>>51922362
>psyched up Lorgar
>Magnus

>>51922356
May I ask what you would've done differently other than possibly dropping the "lab grown people" bit and making them 100% robots?

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>>51922348
>>51922276

youre literally arguing with an enlightened gentlemen. what do you think youre going to accomplish?

>>51922345
I can directly admit to that. Admire=/=idolize of worship, cunt. You're the one getting triggered here over male power fantasies and shit. Just admit you're some cunt who can't bear to see strong, alpha males and be on your way back to tumlr or wherever the fuck you came from.

>>51921116
Ok,

Why are the lascannons in with the plasma gunners? Lascannons are long range anti-tank weapons that cannot fire after moving. Plasma guns are medium-low range anti-monstrous creature weapons, and no those two uses do not overlap as much as you'd expect. A lascannon can glance a rhino on a 2, but plasma only on a 4. A lascannon only gets one shot, but plasma guns get up to two if they're at half-range. This means if you're firing at a heavy tank you're wasting your plasma while if you try to move up and tag a monstrous creature you loose the lascannon shot.

Solution: Put the lascannons and plasma guns into segregated squads. The two squads that are currently naked can take the lascannons and fire from the rear of the table without moving while the plasma vets can move about the table to set up those perfect rapid-fire shots.

>>51922396
No, we're arguing with a woman. The physical body is irrelevant, this is the mind of a woman.

>>51922371
Beats both. Even Psyched up Lorgar and BOTH Magnuses.

Magnus can only beat Leman if he takes Warp Speed, Endurance. Precognition, Iron Arm,

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For those asking it was pretty much a pyrrhic victory for the Imperial forces. It was me with all of my Guard plus my Raven Guard ally at about 5000 points which faced a 10k force of Grey Knights,Ynnari,Admech,Tyranids,and 2k of Orks too around midway to get them to 12k. We had allies later two at around 3000pts of assorted Guard and Space Marines including my Dark Angels. It was glorious anons. My Guard took like every hit during the game and I almost got tabled but I managed to kill 23 different units in the enemy force and my lads were prepared to fight to the last man. I also rammed a Raider and exploded it with a Leman Russ and did the most damage to the Eldar and all of the enemy armies. My tank commander also exploded and with his explosion killed a Dreadknight that was down to one wound. So I ask again would you lads want me to dump some pics of it?

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>>51922362
Don't make me call one of my favorite uncles, furfaggot.

>>51922414
How does he counter Invisibility?
also
>implying he would ever make it to combat with either Magnus, since 30k would just pepper him with statistically-D Smites and the latter flies

>>51921768

Commorragh is supposed to be the largest space hub in the Webway. Each craftworld is made up of hundreds of smaller craft. Thousands could dock at Commorragh.

Dark Eldar are cool because they are literally space vampires that feed off the souls of others to remain youthful and powerful. Not a fan of the cloning aspects of them though.

>>51922411
>stealth tranny acceptance

damn tumblr is getting sneaky

>>51922363
>everything about you
what? this is my second post on this thread. I just pointed out how you thinking that actual friendship (outside of just banter) between males shows you are either a woman or literally a 12 year old with moronic notions of masculinity.

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>>51922394
Make them into an extremely fanatical cult military who are perfectly fine with dying for the advancement of the omnissiah. Make them characters who can actually think for themselves so they aren't a, "Robot go here." type army.

>>51922135
>psh.... nothin personal....kid...

>>51920996
>Units of X are troops choices rather than elite choices
Does this have any benefit other than flexibility when you build an army from a basic CAD?

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>>51922417
>when your vehicle's explosion kills their retarded MC

Also yeah, go ahead.

>>51922449
More like '' ''male'' who willingly emasculated himself to the point that he's hormonaly and mentally become a woman''.

>>51922396

>says he'll stop posting
>samefags to defend himself
>claims enlightenment because he can regurgitate unintelligent propaganda rhetoric

The shitposting is strong with this one.

>>51922434
Lorgar doesn't have access to invisibility anymore, I believe (might be wrong). Besides, Russ's armor is pretty much the same thing + Russ has actually good stats for melee

>>51922449
Probably knows or is friends with a trans person. It's pretty common these days to at least know one trans person somehow. People always feel a little less mean about something once they get to know someone.

>>51922450
>male power fantasy
>brotherhood is gay
>strong males shouldn't exist
100% a cunt.

>>51922491
Leman into Stormsurge is the best thing in existence.

>>51922469

You haven't read the fucking book have you?

>>51922010
To be fair the vast majority of worlds are minimally populated. Cadia itself only had a population of about 750 million and it was a lunch pin fortress world. Even super dense hive worlds are extremely reliant on the the spire elite to keep things like air and water functioning in order for the nobles to maintain absolute control over populations in the billions.

It wouldn't absolutely outlandish for a company of 100 super human marines to cut the throat out of a defending military's command and logistic support in a coordinated lightning strike. Most PDFs have a very feudal command structure and would fall to chaos without proper resupply and a dead officer corp. Once the head and heart are gone the body dies in short order so you have effectively "won". The rest is mop-up operations.

>>51922496
What? The anon called the cunt ''enlightened'' as in ''enlightened by his own intelligence'' which is ANYTHING but a compliment.

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Are Looted wagons worth the investment? The fucking conversion potential is driving me nuts and 77 points for a s8 ap3 large blast with upgrades seems really good, but you can't squad them.
I only have mek guns in my heavy support atm, and have 2 tankbustas squads in trukks and 10 warbikers for my "good" units Should I fill the rest of my heavy support with Looted wagons? They can hold models which is cool too.
Mek guns are nice but too stationery for my taste.

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>>51922496
im not the guy youre arguing with and you misunderstood my post

>>51922469
You literally described what the Skitarii are. They aren't servitors, they still have independent thought. They're specifically individuals who have fanatical faith in the Machine God. The Skitarii are relentless zealots who will march in to their own dooms for the Omnissiah. They aren't mind controlled.

>>51922505
Not true. I know one trannie in my RPG group and he/she/whatever's a massive fucking faggot and attention whore who is slowly killing the group. I only put up with their bullshit because they tend to walk out of most games on their own two sessions of being a literal wallflower and then quitting with the complaint that they aren't engaged by the game or the DM doesn't value their character. No way has knowing that person changed my opinion of trans for the better.

>>51922511
The only better thing is when it's a Venom with chain snares.

>>51922574
Grey Nids vs Grey Guard Anon. We all know who is the true grey hero is.

>>51922505
tannies are anything but common. youve literally been brainwashed by fucking shitty half assed propaganda

>>51921923

>dude losing all my games is how I forget the narrative xD

>>51922599
>t. Tau player

So I am confused about something that was brought up when I was in melee combat with my riptide. So I get 3 attacks base. Do the attacks go on strength 6 ap 2 because of Mc or is it strength 6 with no extra benefit? I know you can make all the attacks one big smash that's double strength but I am only referring to the regular attacks

>>51921745
If you don't use daemon summoning, WBs rules may be weaker than some other legions (like fucking DG, I want fnp termis and bikes, with cover saves in the open on everything too), but at least we do get some bonuses that we wouldn't get from the base codex.

Personally I love the boost to summoning, and daemonology seems extremely fluffy for WBs. DPs have the daemon rule, so they wont get hit with perils on every double, and still generate on 3+ when summoning. Fucking great.

>>51922621
Smash means you get AP2 and have the option of doubling your strength for 1 attack.

>>51922276

>in fact i'm 70% sure you're a woman.

Nope, he's something worse than a woman- he's a Guard player.

>>51922621
Smash makes all of your melee attacks AP2, even if you aren't making the x2 S Smash attack or if you're using a weapon with a different AP value. Hammer of Wrath is not affected, though.

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I'm new to 40k, can someone give me some feedback on my army so far?

>>51922505
Time to move buddy, haven't seen a tranny in 35 years here.

>>51921923
>implying buffing less than mediocre rules to the median is bad

Go lick a Chainsword, I want my dudes to work properly without having to rely on a bunch of stuff they barely use in the fluff

t. A Black Templars player

>>51922597
This

>>51922648
It's illegal. You can't add more units to your formation. However, add another squad of Vanguard or Rangers and you could play off two Vanguard/Rangers and the Sicarians as a Skitarii Maniple, and the Priest/other squad of Vanguard/Rangers, and Onager as the Dominus maniple.

>>51922644
I doubt a Guard player would talk about ''male power fantasies'' and shit. They can get annoying with their stupid ''Space Marines are pussies and IG are REAL men'' bullshit, but i still expect them to have a fraction of male pride.

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The painted Raider got rammed by my Executioner. The other got charged by Veterans.

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What army or units allow me to be sneaky

>>51922643
>>51922646
OHHHH so I can choose either one! Oh very cool! It would have been super useful against those terminators that I was in melee combat with. I lost but I took out a few dudes before he died... by just using one hit

>>51922731
One with lots of transports so you can lie about who is or isn't in them :^)

>>51922731
Imperial assassins.

>>51922731
Alpha Legion and Raven Guard are the official sneaky guy armies

>>51922648
The Dominus Maniple is only 1 Vanguard or Ranger unit, 1 Onager and 1 Priest. You'll need at least 5 more Rangers or Vanguards to form a Skitarii Maniple (their default Force Organization Chart ) to run in addition to your Dominus Maniple if you want to bring those Infiltrators.

That said, something like that should work alright. Would HIGHLY discourage you from using melee weapons on your Alphas, however, especially on the Ranger. He'll never want to be in melee range anyway. Also, you can use their default weapons in addition to a melee weapon if you want to have one just as security, since actively sending them to melee is a waste. Also also, the Quantum Annihilator can only be used if you have Belisarius Cawl in your army or use the Grand Convocation FOC from Gathering Storm 1, which needs 2 HQs and 4 Troops as minimum and is definitely not worth it without having at least 3 or 4 vehicles.

>>51922731
GSC
But they also turn you into a faggot

>>51922777
Why is the Dimachaeron so huge? I thought it was supposed to be sneaky but it's approaching Knight size.

>>51922777
>wasting dubtrips on such a shitty photo
truly a reprobate

For CSM: Bikers vs raptors for mobile melta?
with MoN on raptors, both are 20 pts/model at T5, though bikers can be upgraded further to T6 quite cheaply. Raptors have the benefit of moving over stuff, bikers have the benefit of being bike units.

>>51922761
>1 Vanguard or Ranger unit,
This is actually pretty funny. It isn't 1 vanguard or ranger as in you can choose between the two, it is as in what is says in your SC! box.

GW released some box that stated it was 1 Dominus, 1 crawler and 1 vanguard unit and some boxes with 1 ranger unit. It was FAQ'd that you follow whatever it says in your box

>>51922659
>implying Word Bearers are less than mediocre

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>>51922794
>>>/b/

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>>51922731
The armies of the true Emperor

Since we're talking about Start Collecting formations I'd like to ask something; We know that a formation cannot have more units than what the formation itself says it can/must take but the Start Collecting formations do not have any restrictions regarding what options the units can take, can I give them extra bodies and transports to a SC! formation or am I completely restricted to the default of the formation? Im leaning towards the former but just want to be sure.

I'd kinda love it if they had the balls to give AdMech a small tank to pick as a Troop unit, or just go all the way and actually turn Kataphrons into vehicle squads with like 7 armor. They're half tank anyway and it'd make the Grand Convocation pretty fucking sexy.

>>51922794
>Insulting PB&J Nid masterrace
Look at this guy

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>>51922679
>>51922761
Thank you for your help, would something like this work then?

>>51922599
>I only play armies with good rules instead of the army I actually like

Why would you openly expose yourself as a retard like that? Oh right, because you're retarded.

>>51922797
Yeah, it showd how fucking inept they are. Though I'd be shocked if a store wouldn't allow you to run it that way because your paper is a different one than another person's.
>trading Formation cards like TCG cards
I could see GW trying that tactic.

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What the fuck

>>51922824
You can take options and buy DCs and shit, but what you cannot do is field more models than the datasheet says.

For example with the Marine formation, it says you take a Tactical Sqyadbut since it doesn't say how many, you can max the squad to ten dudes if you like, and/or buy them a transport. However, it says you take one Venerable Dreadnought, so while you could also buy him a pod you couldn't reinforce his unit size.

>>51922829
>>51922794
You trying to start some shit with a delicious sandwich? Is he trying to start some shit anon?

>>51922832
Models can only ever have one relic, so that Infiltrator Princels will have to lose either his mask or special taser. Other than that, looks fine.

>>51922797

I would go with bikes as they also have jink saves if necessary. Just overlooked more survivable.

>>51922832
Yup, looks perfectly legal! Though,just as a tip, use the 10 man Plasma squad as the Dominus unit. Re-rolling those To Hit rolls means that you can re-roll any 1s those Plasma guns might have that would cause a Gets Hot effect. A re-rolled 1 that ends as a not-1 cancels out the result. Means you'd need to roll two 1s to have to take the save.

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Have any of you citizens seen Asterion Moloc? I have heard he has something of ours and I need to...speak with him

Is the Yncarne ever worth it? He can't charge if something dies, so he's worthless for an entire turn.

Avatar of Khaine is also shit

>>51922865
Do you think he thought it was cool the entire time he was building it? And then after he built it, do you think he saw the color scheme and thought "This is perfect"?

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Orks BTFO by my Guard and friends.

>>51922853

>wanting my units to perform on the tabletop like they do in the fluff is retarded

Is it hard being a fuck?

>>51922790
Bruh lictors are around 12 feet tall.

Space bugs in shiet.

>>51921343
FUK YEAR

THE UNDER-FATHER BRINGS THE WORD OF THE SKY-MOTHER AND WE HEAR! IÄ! IÄ!

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>>51922888
How did the Yncarne fare in that game anyway? What are your impressions of him?

>>51922910
>He can't charge if something dies, so he's worthless for an entire turn
Soulburst bruh.
>Avatar of Khaine is also shit
leave

>>51922927
>sees someone with a better army than his whining about how shitty his army is
>supports the whiner instead of people with even worse armies than the whiner

You fucking tell me, no wonder everyone hates BTfags.

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>>51922896
>>51922902
Alright, I think I got everything. This game is a lot more complicated then I thought.

>>51922910
He's so fucking good in Apocalypse and large games. He's pretty much broken with Soulburst. He killed about 1000 or more pts worth of models in my last game.

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>>51922927
>perform on the table top like they do in fluff
>hates summoning, the big thing they do in fluff
k

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>>51922965
Looks good to me.

>>51922956
He murdered everything. He slaughtered pretty much everything we deepstriked in their deployment zone. Plus two Executioners and a fuckton of Guardsmen.

>>51922956
He can't charge in the turn he uses his special rule. No mention of Soulburst affecting this, so I'm assuming Soulburst doesn't overwrite that rule.

>>51922971
If he gets in range, sure, but the rules states that in the turn he teleports or strikes in, he cannot charge.

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So is there no option for gore spattered Ork corpses?

>>51922526
Anyone? Not even a "orks are shit go play tau" cheeky response?

>>51922956
Nigga I have never seen an Avatar do anything worthwhile. Like, sure, getting into a challenge, he's probably a god, but outside of being a distraction, I can't see him as being worthwhile

>want to build up a Black Tide to have enough melee Crusaders at any given time if I feel likr doing something silly
>want to buy it using the DA Armored Assault box
>realize it comes without CCWs for everyone
>realize that GW sells black only as a Primer and not a proper spray paint and that I'd need to handpaint all of that black
>realize just hoe many Scouts I'd need for my Neophytes and how expensive those are
>realize that even if I have all that funky stuff Black Templars might be just as bad, worse or entirely gone if GW feels like it during edition change
>put it much farther back in my backlog

This sucks.

>>51923005
No. The Marine casualty set is ancient and shitty shitcast anyway.
But you play Orks, so you should be able to convert something up.

>>51923012
No one would ever recommend you play Tau

You should play Necrons instead

>>51923033
>GW sells black only as a Primer and not a proper spray paint
What the fuck am I reading? Do you just not have eyes or something?

>>51922960

What the hell are you talking about? What do Black Templars have to do with this discussion?

>>51923039
I see you have 2 Battle Tanks there. It doesn't seem like the Heavy Bolters and Lascannon are worth it at BS1. How do they fair for you?

>>51921329

Looks like a young Angelina Jolie. Heretical as fuck, but 8.5/10, can autoerotcally asphyixiate to.

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>>51921779
You need something that can bring the bullgryns into the fight.

No.

You need something that can carry an entire Auxilia of FEARLESS Bullgryns into the fight!

This baby lets you hold 50 models and discharge them two units at a time directly into assault. Practical? HA! No. But if you're ever in need of an IG deathstar. you can't get much more choppy than this!


Alternatively you can fill it with 49 conscripts and a priest.

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>>51921134
>the process would both just end up turning the female into a male anyway AND have CATASTROPHICALLY lower success rate?

Not if they introduced a female Primarch.

reanimation protocol is basically feel no pain for necrons right?

>>51923082
This sounds lovely. I was going to bank on getting Endurance and hope I get to cast it so they won't instadie.

I would love that thing, what is it? Some kind of DKOK transport?

Also what's the one lord of war tank that can hold 40 models. Can you assault out of that?

>>51923088
Here's the thing. You said a "pupper is a doggo."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies puppers, doggos, yappers, and even woofers, I am telling you, specifically, in doggology, no one calls puppers doggos. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "doggo family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Doggodaemous, which includes things from sub woofers to birdos to sharkos (the glub glub kind not the bork bork kind).

So your reasoning for calling a pupper a doggo is because random people "call the small yip yip ones doggos?" Let's get penguos and turkos in there, then, too.

Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A pupper is a pupper and a member of the doggo family. But that's not what you said. You said a pupper is a doggo, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the doggo family doggos, which means you'd call piggos, sluggos, and other species doggos, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

>>51923097
How did a varient of a reddit copypasta get here?

Why?

>>51923056
>using Chaos Black Primer spray as your actual black paint
I do have a bit of a standard.

>>51923088
>has caused the extinction of Multiple Xenos species
>constantly pursues another Xenos species and genocides the fuck out of them
>blown up planets

Why is she so perfect?

>>51923069
Pretty good actually. I used them to help finish off the Gaunts that survived the Battle Cannons. That and they helped finish off a Carnifex too.

>>51923092
It's better than usual army wide FNP (like Skitarii only getting 6+ for troops) They all get 5+. And a formation can give you 4+.

Other than that, yes.

>>51921745
>I don't know what to do
Stop being a retard and just use whatever rules you want to complement the army that you want to run. Rules are just the medium used to translate your dudes from your imagination onto the tabletop.

>>51921983
I'm going to use Emperor's Children rules (+1 I and FNP for prescience, combat drugs for random mutations) to represent my Tzeentch renegades and there's nothing no-fun allowed shitters like you can do about it.

>>51923120
I never got around to really read their codex nor had the situation, but do Protocols also work against ID wounds, like a Melta hit and the likes?

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Any idea how to make this conversion?

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>>51923027
I play mostly Swordwind so take this with a grain of salt. I bring the Avatar to most big games because the Wraithknight is fucking gay. He's just an excellent, excellent force multiplier for anything that has a small unit size or wants to be in melee. My Scorpions love him, and his Banshee groupies appreciate him being around more than words can say. He will absolutely shit on Imperial Knights if he gets the charge, and even if he doesn't he'll still do some damage, severely weakening it if not killing it regardless, on top of raping characters in melee. I march him up the board with my Wraithlord so the opponent has to split shots between the two.

All of this combined with his immunity to flamer and melta, which gives my semi-regular Sisters playing opponent conniptions, makes him a surprisingly great support for my Storm Guardians. He eats overwatch, absorbing any flamers like a champ, and thus covers their charge and/or charges alongside them. He's great. Worth 195 points in today's meta. Probably not. Worth 195 in the LoW slot when the Wraithknight exists. Nope. But he's fun as fuck.

>>51923069
Not him but HBs are sometimes good. With 9 shots you're guaranteed to hit something.

>>51923120

Don't forget that unlike feel no pain you still get reanimation protocols even if they double you out. That's important to remember.

>>51923114
>he doesn't know about airbrushes and sprays

>>51923141
Maybe I'll give it another shot when fighting chaos. I love my aspect warriors and I refuse to take Wraith, so he might be fun

>try to be a WAACfag for once to shoot my friend's Marines dead
>bring a bunch of Kataphron Grav Destroyers
>he decides to go all out on his Sternhammer benefits and brings a metric assload of Heavy Bolters wherever he can with a handful of Attack Bikes
>Destroyers get shot off the board because of a wall of AP 4
Welp, Karma sure was fast with that one. Not going to be a cheeky ass and being as much Grav as I can any time soon again.

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Last one for tonight I still have more but I'll let you anons take a break for a bit. Feel free to post your own models and army pics of course. I hope you lads enjoyed seeing my Guardsmen holding the line again.
I lost over 100 infantrymen that game with a bunch of Dark Angels thrown in too.

>>51923159
>implying I own an airbrush when I lament there not being a good black GW spray
I also don't have 150+€ lying around for a good compressor with tank right now.

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So I just bought a Warlord Titan.

Do I get a medal.

Gonna go with Legio Ignatum colors too.

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>>51923215
>only model pics I have are my progress pics for /wip/
>last physical game was in November
>next game is Saturday
>Maiden's Game for my AdMech
>don't want to take pictures because it's a tourney, I'm new to the store's 40k scene and don't want to be that weird guy after only being there twice to play 40k so far

Granted, the owner already knows me from MTG but still.
Shameless self-advertisement of the first batch of my dudes because I'm proud of them nonetheless.

>>51923268
What was going through your mind when you bought it? Is it legit GW?

What loadout? How do you plan to put it together?

>Ignatum
Pretty good taste.

>>51923268
Be honest.
Will it be used more than maybe twice a year or just be a pretty centerpiece decoration?

You better give it a sexy scenic base to put it on when it's on the shelf.

>>51922481
Troops in a cad have obsec, which is why a troops Tervigon is so good, since it spawns obsec gaunts

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>>51923300
"Why am I spending so much money on a statue that will see maybe five games in its life? It makes a good display piece..."

And yup.

And I'm going with Lucius Pattern Head, Titan Laser Blasters, and two Belicosa Volcano Cannons

Are any of those new psychic disciplines in the Traitor Legions book worth bothering with? They seem to have some useful powers, but none that seem completely amazing to the point where I'd focus completely on it, or am I missing something?
I had completely missed the new nurgle one until now though, and damn, it looks really good, with useful low-charge powers in most slots. I wont feel as bad about the forced nurgle power on any nurgle sorc/DP now at least.

On a slightly related note, I just wish we could fucking choose powers already, i hate the random element there. Sure, the game is completely based on dice, but not letting players plan in advance around what their psykers will do is just fucking stupid. I want dedicated healer sorcerers for my lords.

>>51922965
I think you should drop the phosphor serpenta on the priest and pick up a conversion field for him. I find that the macrostubber is better than the serpenta and a better invul save for 5 points is a bargain

>>51923134
They do, but at a -1 penalty. You don't get it against D and attacks that remove from play though.

>>51923327
>the classic loadout
Nice.
Do enjoy it my man. Not to sound patronizing but have you built a Titan before? Having recently finished another Warhound I feel obliged to warn you something of that size is going to require some serious pinning to save frustration both when building it and in the years to come.

>>51923096
No, the stormlord is only open topped for shooting.

>>51923322
Yeah, that's what i figured. But in formations with specific units like for example the Chaos Warband, it makes literally no difference if a unit counts as troops rather than something else, right? Because it seems quite useless that the CSM legions get some unit counts as troops, while there's no reason not to go for their main formations. Except really small games I guess.

>>51921751
Tau. There's just nothing about their aesthetic or lore that's ever made me want to collect or read about them. Some of their models are cool, but I've never seen one that's made me actually want to buy it. Seeing the new Fire Warrior box painted up in the Vior'la colours was cool though.

I think part of it might be their anime influence, since I've never been a fan of the whole mecha thing. The sleek, modern sci-fi look that they've got going on has been done much better by non-GW designers too, in tabletop games and other media (e.g. Mass Effect). Something about Tau battlesuit designs feels a bit simple in comparison, although that's been improving with stuff like the current Commander and Ghostkeel.

>>51921993
I definitely think Oldcrons needed some fleshing-out, but I'm not a fan of Newcrons for pretty much the reason you gave, along with the Egypt in space schtick. I was already wary of the mild allusions to Egypt/Tomb Kings in the Oldcron book, and it just feels like making them into humans with quirks (and especially people from a culture that's had enough watered-down fantasy counterparts made of it) was the lowest-effort of all the possible ways they could have overhauled them. They could have made them really terrifying, but instead we got robo-dynasties led by Phaerons, and fucking Imotekh (I still hope that that's just a human nickname for him).

Has the Necrons' aesthetic ever been linked to Egypt in the official fluff? Seems like it could have been a hook for a little ancient astronaut lore piece.

>>51922068
Until GW says otherwise, I'll assume that Marines aren't sterile, just brainwashed to the point of celibacy. There's evidence for it here and there, and cutting off their testosterone like that seems counterproductive.

>>51921410
I'm an ork player who has an 1850 tau gunline and am starting necrons. I have a loving wife and child and support them and my hobby with my full time job. What of your stereotypes now.

In b4 not a real ork. They are my largest and most played army by a lot.

>>51923442
>tau gunline
Why? I won't crucify you for playing Tau like some fags here but gunlines are boring as fuck, especially with Tau and the Stormsurge.
Not trying to start a fight, just genuinely curious.

>>51923382
It's mostly for FoCs that give a bonus to certain force types, back to nids, the hive fleet detachment lets troops reroll their ID rolls
They should be making FoCs with force type bonuses more often, they're really cool and can really change the way the game plays and allow more fluffy armies to not suck

>>51923467

Not that faggot but Tau fluffcentric gun line is pretty cool.

So quick question as someone whos about to buy his first kill team. Are thousand sons good as an intro army? What about Imperial Fists/Black Templars?
If thousand sons are worth it, then should I buy Burning of Prospero to get the 30k minis instead or should I buy the 40k ones?
Also, are custodians any good?

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>>51923350
Like this?

>>51923501
>Are thousand sons good as an intro army?
Sadly I wouldn't say so.
>What about Imperial Fists/Black Templars?
Fists are Marines (easy to learn) with easymode Chapter Tactics (as in, they're straightforward as fuck) so you can't go wrong there. Only problem is that yellow is hard to paint if you don't know what you're doing, but then there are successors like Crimson Fists.
Black Templars are still marines but they ave barely any support and poor quality of rules, so pick only if you really like their aesthetic and choppy play style.
>If thousand sons are worth it, then should I buy Burning of Prospero to get the 30k minis instead or should I buy the 40k ones?
BoP is pretty good value for starting a Marine army so I recommend it anyway. Betrayal at Calth may be an even better deal, though. Anyway, you can use them for 30k that way, where Thousand Sons are fucking cheese. That said, I wouldn't recommend 30k to a beginner, though.
>Also, are custodians any good?
They're pretty good. In my opinion they're better than Marine Terminators in basically every useful way.

>>51923501
TSons are pretty weak and are very hard to play well. Black Templars are built on Land Raiders, melee Marines, infantry blobs and preferably footslogging, all of those things are exceptionally bad this edition and they are considered hands-down the worst vanilla chapter in the game right now, even if bringing 20 man squads can be fun if you can manage to get into melee.

I'd suggest IFs. Their chapter tactics are nice, simple and versatile, they have no real jarring weakness to their strategy, a pretty good unique character and are very flexible, since you can do any tactic and your Bolter Drill will always be of good use. Just beware that yellow is an absolute fucking pain to paint well and needs some training to really get down.

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Am I doing it right /tg/??

>>51923368
Yeah, I've had two Warhounds in the past and sold them when I took a long break from the game. Back now and I wanted a god on the table.

>>51923383
Dawn of war was my introduction to the series and I loved the necrons in it . you had chaos and the dark eldar trying so hard to be over the top evil and then I come along with the silent legion's of death to wipe then out and show them true remorseless evil

>>51921256

>Eldar are boring
>Posts picture of most boring faction

>>51923475
Yeah, I found it quite strange that FOC slots doesn't seem to matter at all anymore for most armies, due to everything being so formation based.
So in the example of Traitor Legions, there's literally no use for those slot-changes unless you really really don't want the benefits of just running the legion formation (or run games on low enough points value to not be able to fit in Chaos Warband or something I guess)?

>>51923568
Tyranids are boring to those with no imagination desu

>>51923572
Geedubs just had a really good idea and then tossed it for formations

>>51923567
>Chaos in DoW
Shit characterization
>DE in DoW
Soulstorm was back in 4th, so they haven't had the 5th edition update that made them awesome.
>a legion of Terminator rejects all of whom literally lacked any sort of personality whatsoever
They were shit and I still maintain Newcrons was an improvement to an army that completely lacked character before. Funnily enough, Soulstorm shat on the old lore, too.

>>51923467
I love hammerhead's, fire warriors, and stealth suits. Also it's the polar opposite of my speed freak orks and I enjoy actually hitting things when I shoot once in awhile.

>>51923593
Yeah, was quite surprised to see that the FOC is basically never used anymore when I came back to the hobby recently (after finding out about the TL book)

>>51921244
>this armchair faggot talking shit from half-understood DG rules
You get Fearless, Relentless and FNP in exchange for the -1WS and -1I penalties for using ANY Death Guard army. The stealth and re-roll on 1's are extra rules for taking a Sons of Mortarion Detatchment, which is basically free rules for the 'tax' units you'd take anyway since they get the most benefit from DG rules.

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>>51923603
Without newcrons we wouldn't have this glorious bastard trollzyn. So yea I'm for it.

>>51923699
You're an idiot. The Fearless Relentless and FNP are Death Guard and the penalties/1 FNP reroll are from the Death Guard Vectorium.

>>51923711
Actually their super science trolling powers are limitless. The cronomancer overlord that pisses off tzeentch is pretty great too.

>>51923329
Doombolt in tzeentch is really good, s8 ap1 beam for only 1 warp charge. The other tzeentch powers are alrightish

>>51923739
>I literally do not know what I am talking about
Not him but how does it feel to be retarded? The Vectorium gives the Stealth and reroll 1s and the generic Death Guard detachment rules give everything else. I can give you fucking screenshots if you still don't shut up.

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I might cave and grab myself a knight just for how great the model looks in my opinion

As someone who just paints shit how are these things on tabletop? Seems like it could be unfair having a mini titan in non apocalypse games

Also who here has experience with magnetizing the arms

>>51923783
That's literally what I was talking about and the other anon said it's not the Vectorium, it's Sons of Mortarion

>>51923739
Another anon here, but nah, the penalties are from the same rule/passage as the FnP for anything with votlw if that's what you're arguing about.

>>51923797
I am newer and have only played with 2. One guy got behind him and wrecked his face and the other guy was super nasty with it. So mileage certainly varies

>>51923780
Was mostly referring to the 4 completely new sets of powers (or new from some book released after the codex at least). The non-god specific ones.

>>51923797
they are great but hardly impossible to beat at 1850 or 2000pts.

dont take one at 1000pts.

>>51923797
>on the table
They're good but generally not unfair unless spammed, unless you use some of the Forge World ones. You can add one to a list and nobody will bat an eye, though you'll get dirty looks if you bring it at lower than 1500.

>magnetizing the arms
You can't, they share too many bits. However, you can use magnets to switch between the battle cannon and thermal cannon pretty easily since they use the same gun chassis and vary only in what bits you attach. If you sourced spare connector bits from a site or something it'd be pretty easy to magnetize as long as you used strong enough magnets and made the joints sit flush with plenty of friction so the guns won't list during games.

>>51921244
Isn't the fact you're getting FnP in the first place quite huge? 26 points for a T6 bike with fnp, 16 pts for a "light"-version of a plaguemarine, fnp on your lords, etc. The lower I doesnt seem that bad, the additional toughness from having fnp should make up for your units striking second against other marines, and a lot of assault units are already at I5 or higher.

>>51923797
Get a knight crusader, best knight to ally really.

>>51922731

Genestealer Cult, Alpha Legion, Raven Guard all have interesting mechanics for sneakmans.

To a lesser degree- Night Lords, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, and Eldar have minor stealth mechanics/fluff