/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

>>51833080
0th for previous thread >>51820184

>>51832897
The only way to keep a footslogging Leviathan alive is to flood the field with groundbound heavily armored targets. You aren't doing that. Give it a drop pod.

It also looks like you're taking an allied detachment just to get Vultaraxes. I wouldn't bother with the allies at all. Just take two Fire Raptors.

>>51833080

You forgot Peturabo's Broadsword. >>51832330

Wait I was only complaining about Inferno. Did we actually find a scanon?

Also tfw you finally see BFG in a real discussion, but then one guy thinks one of the largest Gloriana class battleships only has 15 damage points.

>>51833114
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE NAME

Who was the most autistic primarch?

I second that the Emperor should get an Emperor phase. Or altleast the fanboy in me says so. Which to be fair is most of me.

>>51833122
Lots of kindness for a bunch of autistic anons.

>>51833126
>>51833080
Third for Emperor phase.
Presumably a *Teleports behind you / Nothing personal* phase, which is how He fights.

>>51833122

Newfag here. Is there something wrong with my name? Or are we not supposed to mention "those people" just like Chaos S-p-a-w-n?

>>51833126
What should it consist of?

>>51833138

If you take off the name will you die?

>>51833143
I should imagine it would be extremely painful.

>>51833143
Well I don't intend to find out :)

>>51833141
Like I dunno? Super Acts of Faith?

>>51833152

He's someone big

>>51833170
For no one.

Someone name themselves No One and we can be friends.

>>51833217

Was namefagging part of your plan?

>>51833223

Is there some kind of stigma around namefagging

>>51833234
you deserve decimation

>>51833234
>being this new

>>51833234

Are you the new AWG?

>>51833234
>>51833138
Sometimes I wish I could hate people to death.

>>51833237

No it's a legit question, I did say prior I was a newfag.

REQUESTING full image of the model in OP's image

>>51833234
No, just being a faggot. Just happens to be that all namefags are faggots.

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Scyllax squads are a meme
Even with Enhanced mechadentrite arrays, Rad Furnaces, Move Through cover and Fearless, they simply don't do enough damage and are too expensive for being a tarpit unit (a terminator is cheaper), not to mention they lack an assault transport and Hoplites are now a thing.

The only thing I can think for them would be a flamer/rotor cannon fire support unit, which sounds kind of silly since that'd make them even more expensive.

Then there's the Thallax, whose dakka is a meme, melee is meh (can't Sweep) and agile meltabombs have been FAQed away.

Help on filling Reductor's troop choices, plz?

>>51833259

Am I a faggot?
...thanks for a actual non autistic answer btw

>>51833259

Some are classy faggots though. Like Al, Uni, RGBro and Scanon.

>>51833253
You fucking retard.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Perturabo-Primarch-of-the-Iron-Warriors

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>>51833253

>>51833268
Scanon isn't a namefag.

>>51833277
>Calls him retard
>Gets him the pic anyway
Such a nice guy lol

>>51833114
Original Scanon got himself a portable scanner.

I think those of us who don't want 20 damage point Glorianas:
a) think they're over-the-top large in the new fluff
b) will hardly ever play a game large enough for a >15 DP ship to be reasonably balanced
c) are leaving room for Abyss-class ships, with their stupid prow-mounted book cannon

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>>51833277
>>51833283
>>51833288

Thanks friendos

>>51833138
1.
You're using a name on a site where anonimity is the entire point.
2.
Chaos Spawn are decent now, you can mention them now. The meme is dead.

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>>51833266
All the boards will be your enemy, Namefag with a Thousand Enemies, and when they catch you, they will kill you... but first they must catch you.

>>51833290
The original BFG was not balanced for excessively large ships. The biggest "ship" the Planet Killer was specified to not be used in normal games. Making the hp less is not the solution - applying a restriction to the ship class itself is. If you don't want a giant indestructible ship.... don't play the class that exists as a fleet destroying ship?

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>>51833294
Your welcome :^)

>>51833290
Didn't they have rules for a (small) craftworld in some book or publication? I think that thing had like 30 damage points.

>>51833300
So the ship should cost as much as an entire fleet?

>>51833299
>But first they have to catch me
I might change my name to "Namefag with a Thousand Enemies"

>>51833298
I know, but naming myself something equally non-descript but glaringly identifiable was amusing.

That and I hate anonymity. It let's people be absolute twits to people with no repercussion.

>>51833317
>I know, but naming myself something equally non-descript but glaringly identifiable was amusing.
kys
>That and I hate anonymity. It let's people be absolute twits to people with no repercussion.
THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE

>>51833303

In a homebrew magazine they did, but never in an official publication 9some of which drew from the mags) - it was 20 hull points, and 700 pts. Supposed to be a very, very small one. The model wasn't big either.

>>51833313
Bluntly, yes. 750-1000 pts.

>>51833317

You definitely are the new AWG.

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Yo, /hhg/. I recently got a box of Burning of Prospero and two boxes of Betrayal at Calth for cheap and decided to take the plunge into the heresy.
But now I am stuck when it comes to picking a legion. From what I understand of the local scene and what is already owned, my choice is between Word Bearers and Thousand Sons. Going over the rules, both seem interesting (TS slightly more so), so I am *really* unsure what to pick now.
There's the fact that I'd already have Ahriman that speaks for Thousand Sons, but the special units for Word bearers all seem pretty amazing as well. Also, I don't really care for Primarchs either way, so they don't really factor into this.
Any advice?

>>51833330

To discuss Horus Heresy, like on the title? Why are you here? To be a cunt to a total stranger and tell them to kill themselves?

>>51833317
>anonymous message board
>I hate anonymity
Words fail me.

>>51833317
>That and I hate anonymity.

Well, then you probably want to put your whole name in there. I'm sure nothing bad will ever happen.

>It let's people be absolute twits to people with no repercussion.

And having a name makes it easy to target you and silence you.

>>51833338
>From what I understand of the local scene and what is already owned, my choice is between Word Bearers and Thousand Sons
Bad mindset, just pick the legion you like best.
Also, if you like two (or more) legions allies and shattered legions are a thing.
>>51833340
It's get's the message across better than calling people poop on B&C.

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>>51833317
>And Namefagraira's tail grew big and shone bright like a fookin SNOWFLAKE
Anonymity does allow you to be rude with each other without fear of repercussion...but then again, this is still 4chan, you know?
I mean, where do you think you are? Compare Bolter and Cucksword's eternal compliments with our KYS-goodmorning equivalent.
That's simply how things are.
>>51833340
>To discuss Horus Heresy, like on the title? Why are you here? To be a cunt to a total stranger and tell them to kill themselves?
Again, that's sort of the mision. Less KYS and more memes, but it is indeed the general idea.

>>51833340
Hating namefags is natural. Telling them to kill themselves is a service to society.

>>51833334
>new

Anon, please, let be real here.

>>51833340
kill yourself

Are we stuck forever with dickbike, or is there at least a rumor about new design like Samael / Brotherhood of the Storm - ish one?

>>51833355
It can't be, but who am I to argue against trips and dubs?

>>51833351
Fair enough. I concede to superior knowledge.

>>51833350
>Bad mindset, just pick the legion you like best.
Ah, I worded that poorly, I think. I like Ultramarines, Word Bearers, Thousand Sons and Iron Hands, but I already own Iron Hands in 40k and don't want to do the same force in HH; meanwhile Ultramarines are plentiful locally (seven players, apparently) and I don't want to add to that.
And mixing legions... I don't know. I hate allies bullshit in 40k.

>>51833338
Pick what you like most, regardless of what other people are playing, if you enjoy the legion it doesn't matter

>>51833351
I'm here because information on releases flows through here faster/earlier than other sites, I've found. I don't actually go on any board except this one. In fact my original plan was to lurk forever, but you guys seemed nice.

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>>51833364
Probably just dickbikes forever mang

>>51833364
The rumour is that Angelus will include Bullock jetbikes which can be exchanged for Scimitar ones (like different patterns of termie armour) and they let you reroll charges instead of wielding heavy bolters.
>>51833367
But you haven't.
>>51833369
Most of the allies bullshit isn't present here (mainly because you can't bundle together in transports).

>>51833375

We would be nice if you were just an anon like the rest of us.

>>51833369
word bearers, then

>easier to paint
>can mix in daemons without worry
>can mix in chaos marine parts without worry
>already have their special units out
>are evil dudes who really love being evil

>>51833377
>>51833379
Why do I have a feeling that as soon as I give up waiting and buy dickbike or 3rd party they gonna release the Bullock

>>51833375
>because information on releases flows through here faster/earlier than other sites
It's kinda like the Astronomicon attracting 'Nids, but with Scanon's light and special snowflakes.

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>>51833367
Yeah, srry.
>>51833268
I really don't know how we lasted that long or got so few KYS.
>>51833375
>I'm here because information on releases flows through here faster/earlier than other sites, I've found. I don't actually go on any board except this one. In fact my original plan was to lurk forever, but you guys seemed nice.
I'm (You) from the future, petty much.
And these lads do seem nice, mainly in later hours though.
Been down the same road you're trying to travel. Try getting into the summary several times. You'll feel part of here.

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>>51833375
lose the namefag or fuck right off you insufferable cunt

>>51833379
I concede that people will dislike me for it, not that I should shun myself for not knowing your crazy prejudices.

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>>51833399
>I really don't know how we lasted that long or got so few KYS.
Well, we were after AWG, helped out, and drew amusing (if shitty paint ones, in my case) pictures.

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>>51833412
>helped out, and drew amusing (if shitty paint ones, in my case) pictures.
That was the best part of it, I reckon.

>>51833263
>Help on filling Reductor's troop choices, plz?
min thallax, secutarii for everything else. two units of peltasts, one unit of hoplites (with room for your HQs, so 18-19 so you can stick 'em in a Triaros)

list pretty much builds itself

>>51833399
>>51833412
>>51833424
Sigh, I never did get my fanfic.

>>51833426
So Thallax really are tax, huh

>>51833399
At this point I think I'm getting into the summary.
>Newfag is new, anons get mad

>>51833438
they're not good, but they're not scyllax-tier. in that list I'd say go with plasma fusil since it's the cheapest weapon option to make them useful, and anti-infantry is more handy when OR is drowning in great anti-tank

the nice thing about thallax is they're relatively mobile and durable scoring when you stick them in cover. walkers in ruin lets you jump-shoot-jump in ruins with zero risk, so they're great for holding objectives in ruins and being obnoxious ticks that do light damage but are super hard to fully kill off.

>>51833453
I make the bread around here these days, and I won't have it.

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>>51833460
bless your baking heart
>>51833454
myself and other mech players in the area use them as speedbumps or multi assault enhancers. Ferrox with chainblades, point at incoming threats or bait threats into traps. Durable enough to be a pain and just punchy enough to not be ignored. These are disposable troops, use them as such.

Just ordered my first chinaman ever. 1 Iron Father, 5 Gorgons and bits to give them power and chainfists (And a flame thrower).

How long do these chinapeople take to send the stuff? Also, I am aware of toxic stuff and whatnot, working with them using water and a mask.

>>51833453
>I'm getting into the summary.
But by your own merit, silly. When I was both the Edition, Sub-edition and 2 of the 3 things in the summary, that was when I knew I was really invested on this here general.

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>>51833506
pretty much only Z has the shitty smelly old resin now, if you got CC, Alpharius or that Dream guy they both use the enviro friendly resin that is better too work with than FW. Orders can take 2-4 weeks to be cast and then 2-4 weeks to deliver depending on backlogs, parts ordered, size of order and china being a black hole. You are paying less for more in the end, be patient. If you piss these asians off with western pestering they will black list you.

>"wut so bad 'bout namefags, u gais?"
>proceed to show exactly what's wrong with namefags and be a passive-aggressive shit about it

wew

>>51833524
>When I was both the Edition, Sub-edition and 2 of the 3 things in the summary

What was that?

>>51833338
TS are good, read the pdf and see what you think. Theyare probably best with Magnus with guard of the crimson king taking sekhmet termies as core so if you don't like primarchs or termeis then word bearers are better.

>>51833524
I rue the day where I spend enough time here to achieve likewise. I can feel my productivity trying to slip away from me.

>>51833480
is there any reason to take domitars over artalax?

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>Scarab Occult Terminators as Sekhmet Terminators
Is this acceptable? Assuming I cut down on the ornamentation a little.

>>51833544
>Theyare probably best with Magnus with guard of the crimson king taking sekhmet termies as core so if you don't like primarchs or termeis then word bearers are better.
You must be fun to play against.

>>51833557
You dont even have to cut down on the ornamentation at all. Just give them normal combi bolters and theyre good to go

>>51833542
You seem nice.

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>>51833553
the reason is simple, don't use a trip, now fuck off.

>>51833542
Around the whole sneaky scorpion times. It was ages ago, anon. Not even I remember.
>>51833553
And you should. The early college years are a funny mess.

>>51833534
Ok, that's what I have heard in other places, so great. And yeah, I only want the confirmation that the order went through, but given how these guys take a few days to answer, sitting tight is like the only thing I can do.

However, it is a small package, only 6 minis and a few bits. I shouldn't take long (I think). And yes, I have some experience about how bad "pestering asians" can go, wasn't planning on doing that.

Not really proud of this, the rest of my stuff is mostly FW and some GW plastic, but I was a bit curious so I thought a small order would be a good test.

>>51833557
Sure. If anyone has a problem with it, point out that they can't get up to a 3++ this way.

>>51833557
Don't they have option to use either Tartaros or Cataphractii suits?

>>51833571
>Just give them normal combi bolters and theyre good to go

What's wrong with the ones they have? They're just a bit fancy tigrus combi-bolters you'll find on regular tartaros.

>>51833544
I had the older HH books for a while now and grabbed the pdf for Inferno just recently. TS seem powerful, but at a glance I suspect their costs can baloon rapidly. WB on the other hand don't really have any interesting boni, but look like they perform reasonably well at any job.
Regarding Primarchs: Not really into super-expensive characters in general. In 40k I always feel like I could do better with just more dudes in general, even though that obviously doesn't always hold water.
Termies on the other hand I like. And 2-wound Brotherhood of Psykers termis seem really neat.

Can someone explain to me why Exterminatus-ing Isstvan 3 or Terra was not an option for Traitor force?

>>51833553
>is there any reason to take domitars over artalax?
arlatax don't have a model yet, domitar have a really cool model despite their mediocre rules. one is FA, one is elites. it's pretty self-explanatory really. domitar aren't very good.

if you're doing ordo reductor/matrix of ruin you only have two FA slots, so you have to choose carefully. vultarax are really really good, too, and again they actually have a model.

>>51833598
They do.

>>51833598
Yes, they do. But with Scarab Occults you are obviously locked in what suit you take.

>>51833601
They did Exterminatus Isstvan III, but then Angron attacked, so they couldn't finish doing so.
Terra likely has insane defences against exterminatus of any kind, you don't leave Dorn and his boys around doing nothing but Fortifying This Position for a decade without it being damn well fortified.

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>>51833589
feeling bad about resin crack if for insecure people, don't be that person. I buy both legit and china, I give zero fucks and so does any stable adult in our gaming groups, anyone who thinks they are holier than thou for prostrating themselves before a company is a hollow sad little boy. Life is far to short to give too many fucks about little plastic men anon.

>>51833601
>Isstvan III
Horus wanted to, but Angry Ron decided to land and start punching things, then the rest of the traitors decided it looked fun and landed as well.
>Terra
Horus wanted to take over the Imperium, and that means leaving the capital intact for him to rule from. Telling people Cthonia (say) is the new capital of the Imperium is pretty lame, saying "I rule Terra now" is the sort of thing people listen to.

>>51832897
What am I looking at here?

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>>51833630
This
It was well done.
Can someone post the Siege of Terra pasta?

>>51833559
why else play Horus Heresy but for legendary characters and out of control unrestricted psykers? 40k is extremely dull in comparison.

>>51833619
>obviously locked in what suit you take

You lost me.

>>51833638
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Siege_of_Terra#The_fa.2Ftg.2Fuy.27s_explanation_of_the_Siege_Of_Terra_.28for_Dummies_and_BL_Editors.29

>>51833647
Thanks

>>51833643
He means that the plastic Scarab occult are Indomitus pattern, so you can't take the better suits unless you want to pretend they are Tartaros

>>51833643
The scarab ocults are in tartaros armour. You run sekhmet using scarab ocults models you play them as tartaros. Substitute the arms and shoulders for the iconic cataphractii set thend I'd allow them as cataphractii since the biggest difference is the shoulders.

>>51833656
They actually are Tartaros.

>>51833656
They look like tartaros to me.

Of course they look like Tartaros... but I don't think the unit can Sweep?

>>51833340
>I want to discuss Horus Heresy but I hate anonymity
http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/91.page
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/forum/105-age-of-darkness/
http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/346-horus-heresy/

Please leave.

>>51833656
>plastic Scarab occult are Indomitus pattern
News at 10, obnoxious namefag is wrong about something.

>>51833656
Wow, way to prove how retarded namefags generally are.

Scarab Occult are Tartaros armoured beyond any shade of doubt. As in, they are exactly the same models as the plastic tartaros terminators from BoP, but then with more ornamentations and headcrests.

>>51833676
Still wrong.

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>>51833676
You are a twit, please leave

>>51833677

You forgot Laurie Goldberg's own website.

>>51833693
Don't be cruel, anon.

>>51833676
>namefag being pedantic
How unexpected.

>>51833670
>the biggest difference is the shoulders

Have you not had a tartaros and cataphractii model? The legs are different, the torsos are different. Putting tartaros arms on cataphractii just gets you a cataphracti with tartaros arms, it doesn't turn the whole model into a tartaros. Just like putting MkIV arms on a MkIII doesn't make it a MkIV.

I don't know what you are all talking about. They work like ordinary Terminators.

>>51833706
It would make it MK V however :^)

>>51833693
Anon, please, we aren't barbaric, just annoyed.

>>51833702

I find it the most quiet and least obnoxious of all the mainstream 30k websites out there.

Of course, that is unless there's a thread with Laurie in it.

>>51833677
How about Warseer?

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Getting basecoats down on my AL. I'm planning on doing the right pauldron detail in white, should I go for the same on the serpent on the left pauldron, or would metallic work better? Trims and studs are going to be metallic, but I think I'm going to keep the cabling black as it makes the colour pop. The colour on the armour seems to come across lighter in photographs than it looks in real life, but it's a couple of shades of iridescent paint applied so that it shifts from blueish purples in the shaded parts up to greenish turquoise on the highlights, I'm pretty pleased with the effect. It'll get a pin wash at least in prussian blue oil paints which will provide a bit more definition.

My mistake was putting my post in 2 parts and having to verify twice, letting people correct me before I'd finished saying anything. It was just my 2 cents that as they were ordinary, the "ordinary" Terminator rules as written in 30k applied. I shouldn't have written indomitus.

>>51833707
Dude .... Rubric marines also can't sweep and not even overwatch. Guess that means they are wearing Cataphractii armour, going by your logic.

Just GTFO before you embarasse yourself even further.

>>51833707
Hint: They are Thousand Sons in 40k. They were never going to sweep anything.

>>51833720
Isn't Warseer dead ?

>>51833730
Whoops.

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>>51833720
A shithole, one of the worst places for circlejerking over large post counts.

>>51833707
>>51833730
Forgot to take of your name, huh? Curious how that goes.

>>51833730
You're really funny dude. You want to become a comedian? Cos you should wow let's copy his name.

>>51833731
This is true.

>>51833706
It's just where I draw the line. I know there are differences between every single part of the tartaros and cataphractii but for me the biggest identifier is the shoulders. I would let someone run a tartaros body with cataphractii shoulder model as cataphractii and vice versa.

>>51833726
>GW finally introduces tartaros officially into 40k
>finally a terminator unit that can sweep
>give it to a unit that can't Sweep

God bless GWerica!

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>>51833730
Oh dear.

>>51833290
PRAISE BE TO THE GLORIOUS SCANON!
WE WILL SACRIFICE VIRGINS FROM /x/ IN HIS GLORIOUS NAME!

>>51833741

Never seen anyone arguing about large post counts... the mods there love to throw their weight around though...

>>51833746
Anon, stop, it's not funny.

>>51833746
>maximum damage control

>>51833752
Well, for me the biggest difference with a MkIIc and MkI rhino is the number of road wheels, but I doubt people are just gonna applaud my MkI conversion where I snip the middle road wheel from a regular rhino.

>>51833756
If I was an underhanded little bitch like that then i'd just permanently get rid of the name and hide like you guys ^_^

>>51833753
The most interesting thing is how the walking dustbag terminators can overwatch, whilst the walking dustbag marines cannot.

>>51833761
Ignore me, I reconsidered. It's actually hilarious.

>>51833771
See >>51833761

>>51833771
Actually, thinking about it, maybe I should do that anyway.

>>51833765
You're probably the guy who posted it in the first place. How do you aim to pretend to be another person, but forget to change your name?

>>51833777
Trips confirm
>>51833776
Sorry me, but the trips have it, it's officially not funny and you all should stop it.

>>51833775
They got git guder.

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>Bread is now one retarded person argueing with himself

>>51833793
I wouldn't know, considering I am wrongfully persecuted by the people in this thread. I mean, what makes a name even so bad?

The point of not just ridding myself of the name is simple, and it's highlighted here by whoever is trying to slander or embarrass me into retreating into anonymity. At this point is basically a bad attempt cyberbullying.

>>51833807
Just remember, anon, namefagging is a religion of peace and namefags can do anything anonymous can do.

>>51833807
No, don't leave! Ignore that people impersonating me! They're all fakes!
It's not funny, guys!

>>51833823
bruh can I just say you are the most handsome man I've ever known?

This thread is doomed

>when you know this is the worst /hhg/ in some time but you can't stop laughing at it
>>51833823
All of you are so immature.

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>>51833821

>>51833821
Here's an idea: Fuck off and don't come back until you learned not to namefag. Or go to any of the hugbox forums. They'll appreciate your wonderful personality there, I'm sure.

>>51833832
You say all of you me #2 but just between you and me (cos you can tell) I'm the original.

>>51833821
>>51833823
>>51833832
Listen here you little shit
THIS
RIGHT HERE
is why we hate namefags
we all anonymous here, for a good reason. jesus, is it so hard to wrap your little head round.

>>51833831
People should just get over the name thing and accept that some people don't like anonymity.
Then we could have a productive thread.

>>51833836
Anon, no one is the original one anymore, or at least shouldn't be treated as them >>51833821 is a wily impersonator, nothing more.
>>51833840
So am I

Goddamn, i thought we finally got rid of all the alphariuses but they keep popping up again, worse than roaches

>>51833821

Fuck off, namefag. It doesn't matter if the anon shitting up the thread to troll you is in the wrong, you're still letting the thread get shitted up because your precious ego can't cope with being anonymous like the rest of us.

>>51833844
>tfw you were one of those posts
Now all we need if for me to get a trip and we can filter me.

>>51833845
At this point I don't know if you're trying to mock me or to actually make a real point.
>>51833844
What? that someone can pretend to be you? Is it too much to assume people won't be arses?

>>51833853
As the alpha legion player, i resent the comparison.

>>51833844
Have you ever tried posting with a name?
If not, maybe you should. It's so much better when your posts can be associated with a name.

>>51833848
>>51833840
You guys are jerks.

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>>51833853
I am unstoppable, and Alpharius

>>51833857
Chances are it's mockery.

>>51833854
Thanks for admitting it at least. I'll remove the name after this post. I don't have a huge ego, despite what I joke, also. You guys need to know that a newfag isn't used to the "attitude" you guys have here. It's incredibly aggressive to people - and it's a shock when all you did was want to take part in ca conversation and you didn't know of the stigma. If they are offended... why even have a name option?

>>51833871
I can assure you it's not.

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For fuck's sake people.

You guys forced me into this.

>>51833878
>Why even have a name option?
To filter out the assholes, generally.

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>>51833859
Most Alphariuses havnt touched a model in months, you're better than your primarch/s
>>51833866
But you see, we are all alpharii

>>51833878
It's me. Happy now. I won't be on the site anymore... to be ones I'm incredibly confused as to whether this is mostly joking, or whether you are horrible people. Having a name and getting bashed for it... that's incredibly rich. I'm not too prideful to say that I'm a little miffed off by the incredulity. If you want to take it as a victory, good on you. Way to represent the wargaming community guys.

>>51833890
And into the filter it goes!

>>51833768
I respect your personal choices and ask that you respect mine.

>>51833890
Excuse me?

>>51833891
Also quest threads. It was apparently useful for the person running the quest to be identifiable.

Fucking quest threads, ruining the board even after they've gone.

to be honest*

>>51833890
Remember to do this before posting
>copy !HA33Engo0
>settings
>Filters & Post Hiding
>Filter and highlight specific threads and posts
>edit
>past !HA33Engo0 into pattern
>type: tripcode
>save
>save settings

>>51833898
m8, as a brit i can tell you
do one

>>51833898
I'm so sowwy that we hurt your feefees. If you can't handle banter this tame, you're on the wrong website.

>>51833898
>mostly joking or whether you are horrible people
Why not both?

Right guys, back on track:
whats the best unit to steal as alpha legion, from those book reading nerds?

Are we done?

In the hopes that you honestly don't understand why the name gets you ragged on, I'm going to use a metaphor here.

Imagine your part of a country club. The Country Club has the normal rules, dress nice, no open racism, etc. But, this one also has a tradition, it isn't a hard rule, they can't throw you out for it, but it's still a tradition most people abide by. Hats. Only certain people wear hats, and usually only when that hat is relevant. The guy who organizes Bingo night wears a hat on bingo night, the dude who brings everbody coffee on the second saturday every month gets one for being a cool dude, the guy who keeps donating art to the place deserves one to wear all the time, but doesn't want it. Some people nwear they're hat even when it isn't relevant, but they're old codgers and everyone just rolls they're eyes and moves on.

Then, one day you decided to wear a hat to the club. Everyone gives you fhe stink eye, but some of the more reasonable people think 'Maybe he doesn't know, or had a bad hair day and will take it off later' Then he doesn't. And when people ask why, he says he likes hats and wants to wear one all the time. He might not be breaking a rule, but he's breaking a tradition, so of course people aren't happy with him.

>>51833722

Attempting to re-rail the thread and draw attention to my earlier ignored post, I've also more or less finished this saboteur I posted a fair while back when I was trying to give him an ill-advised set of space-binoculars instead of a detonator.

>>51833895
Alpharius can't touch models anon, he's got no hands.
>dorntrollface.jpg

>>51833898
>oh no, anon has hurt my precious feelings
Dude. If you can't handle mockery on this low level, how did you ever think coming here was a good idea?

>>51833920
As I said before that unproductive horseshit started and I got pinned with the blame, I'm here to look for inferno information. I thought I could have an intelligent conversation about it but I can't. End of story.

>>51833926
Invictarus suzerains.

What? Oh, right, sorry. Probably sekhmets.

>>51833926
>quickly checks to see if the didn't fuck up and make Magnus not unique or something
Infiltrating blade cabal sounds fun.

>"hay guis, look at me, aren't I different."
>"nobody cares, fuck off"
>"naw, mane, I wanna be special and talk about wargaming, not lets talk about why I love being an individual who stands out"
>"no"
>"i'm calling the cyber police on you, way to represent the community and not talking about how special I am!"


So should I put combat shields on 20 assault marines or not? I plan on fielding them with a Vigilator for Scout and Stealth, but neither helps them in close combat.

>>51833933
Maybe he likes the hat. He doesn't eve go to the club often but you still resent him for it. So instead of just giving him the stink eye or giving it a pass on the odd occasion he's there, you verbally or physically assault him? Yes?

>>51833952
Probably not, stealth is going to supersede the shields, and if you get 20 assault marines into CC you don't care whether they're going to die.
I'd put one on the sarge though.

>>51833959
Maybe he should just take the hat off when asked.

>>51833926
I like Invictarius Suzerains. They are not ideal, but their sheer beef is useful and something we usually lack. Mor Deythan are also always useful. Haven't tried the TS stuff yet, but I can see applications for those as well.

>>51833948
>infiltrating/scouting flying 3++ 2 wound termintors
well fuck

>>51833951
>blade cabal
>scouting.infiltrating psy-ninjas
lol

>>51833952
When did I say I was special? Did I not say I only persisted because I was shocked at how rude and crass you all were? Or are you blind too? Cyber police? Are you making things up now? Or again, are you blind? Wasn't it some anon that made a huge fucking deal about my name? You could have just ignored it.

>>51833933
>wearing a hat indoors
How did such a ruffian get into a club anyway?

>>51833952
What legion? I don't on Night Lords, but they've also got batman prime for permanent 4+ cover in the open, 2+ on first turn. I do have a Chaplain in there too, and usually split off batman before charging something with them.

>>51833959
>you verbally or physically assault him? Yes?

No, they came in going "hey ya'll, imma wear this hat now, ok?" And everyone's like "that's not a good idea" and they go "don't be a bunch of fags, what's wrong with wearing a hat" and then they make a big stink about how the just hate not wearing a hat and pancakes pancakes pancakes, there's nothing wrong with pancakes, why won't you lay off the pancakes?

>>51833964
>I'd put one on the sarge though.
>costs: 3pts.
>nothing to balance it out with

[triggered]

>>51833987
Combi-Bolters cost 7pts on terminators.

>>51833969
Just be quiet, if you want to talk about 30k then do so but please stop contributing to a problem that you (unintentionally) started.

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>>51833935

Would help if I included the image.

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>>51833720

>>51833968
They don't keep their 3++ and no longer harness on a 3+ in telekinesis though

>>51833969
>When did I say I was special?

Right here >>51833317

Now go and cry like a faggot because someone was mean to you on an anonymous internet board, I'm sure you can start a patreon for some victim bucks.

>>51833979
Sure that makes a lot more sense than a lot of the other things being said at least. one thing I will point out is that I am the one who said "what's wrong with a name" (which I also got ridiculed for) and you lot are the ones who called me a fag. I was never confrontational or aggressive, you were. Please don't turn that around in your analogy.

>>51833991
Yes I can see that less vocal people are trying to have a thread. Stopping now, and sincerest apologies to those among you.

>>51833990
>relying on other units to even it out

[maximum rustling]

>>51833959
So, I'm going to ask was it your first time here or have you lurked in a couple of threads before?

>>51834005
ahh shit, thats true, shame, 4++ is still great, espcially when i can get round S&P by scouting/jumping around.

was thinking of unit wide fists, but what else should sekekhmets be equipt with?

>>51834004
WTF I love Lauryn Hill now.

>>51834014
>you lot are the ones who called me a fag

Well, cuz ya are.

>>51834018
Then take 5 assault squads and give every sarge a shield.

>>51834032
Singles confirm DMS to be mass consumer of dicks.
Normally singles can't confirm shit, but it didn't take much in this case.

>>51834034
Those are still other units evening out 1 unit's points. And I'd only have 1 slot to fill compulsory Troops.

>>51834032
Plus, it's 4chan. Everyone is a fag. Newfag, oldfag, drawfag, namefag. It's like a rejected Dr. Seuss book.

>>51833933
I've "been" on other threads in the past few years, never for messaging, always bcs like a filedump or something lead me there. So no.

>>51833933
I actually didn't understand, so sincerely, thanks for explaining it rationally.

Fuck I tagged the wrong post ^^ I meant

>>51834022

>>51834054
Well, exactly my point. And if you think you're not a fag, oh boy, you're the biggest fag of them all.

>>51834050
Maybe you could, like, put them close to each other on the table so it's like a 100 man assault squad.
Also, what RoW is this that doesn't let Assaults fill compulsory troops?
You could also stop being so darn autistic you goshdarn silly face.

>>51834067
Well I know that :P I did call myself a newfag at the start. It just felt like I was getting mobbed by people is all.

>>51834067
A fagfag if you will

>>51834079
>Also, what RoW is this that doesn't let Assaults fill compulsory troops?

Legion rules.

>You could also stop being so darn autistic you goshdarn silly face.

I like to build my units to be nice clean blocks I can swap out without having to rely on others to even out the points.

>>51834090
That's because you were. Glad we cleared that up.

>>51834090
Becuase you were
you gigafaggot

>>51834079
>You could also stop being so darn autistic
But anon, we're all autists here

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Silly question, but can IH using the head of the gorgon ROW basically take any battle-automata as elites? There doesn't seem to be anything specifically defining what "legio cybernetica maniple" is, so is it safe to assume everything with a cybernetica cortex and the word "maniple" (i.e. not the thanatr-calix, if for some reason one wanted to take a thanatar-calix,) in the unit entry is fair game?

>>51834092
>>51834067
>>51834054
Heck, I've even seen the terminology "gayfag" and "straightfag". Pic unrelated. Honest.

I hate the internet... I can't tell if it's sarcasm for my life. Or maybe that's because it's late.
>>51834122
>>51834123

>>51834154
>Pic unrelated
Ah, the legend, possibly the most 4chan anon ever to post.

>>51834154
God, I wish I could find a pic I saw years ago, where there was two dudes in traditional clothing of the Sami people embracing, and on the pic it read "samifag".

Wasn't there a group of Night Lords on Terra that were loyal, or am I going crazy?

>>51834160
okay, for realsis this time
you were acting like a gigantic faggot, and we hated you, but now you have taken off the trip, you are cool.
so sarcasm, jsut truth

>>51833638
Ah, I love angron - part troll, part tragic figure, much, much larger part psychotic killing machine

>>51834160
Well, now it's mostly teasing.
You should realize as much, assfaggot.

>>51834154
This exites at least one anon.

>>51834167
oh shit i missed that at first. What a guy, what a thread

>>51834186
*no sarcasm

>>51834196
I'm more of a tits man.

>>51833263
I take them because they are fun and flufffy.

That you can only perceive their tabletop usefulness tells me you should fuck off to /40kg/ and ask them about your latest Taudar list.

Seriously, it's disgusting how many of you shameless waacfaggots infest what is supposed to be a narrative fictional-historical.

>>51834262
Haha seconded. You basically put forth my unvoiced thoughts.

>>51834282
He'll likely post when he has something.

>>51833080
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=784KEIiga40
Imperial Fists theme: yay or nay?

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BoP came through the door. Going to make it up as per the box faction wise but will be playing thousand sons generally. Any tips or things to avoid doing, completely new to 30k and I don't want to fuck up the army so it isn't viable out of the box?

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>arrows on arms and armour
I somehow find the idea of spiky loyalist DA enticing, also have some bitz - yes/no?

>>51834406
>things to avoid doing
Building a box as two armies when you aren't going to use one.

>>51834406
Just build everything for TS. You'll thank me later.

>>51834406
>BoP came through the door.

Hope you had home insurance.

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I want to play SW during the heresy finally the rules pop up, i'm litle disappointment but is not the mattter.
i would make a Iron Wolves great compagnies during the heresy so il would play with the rites of war armoured breakthrough.
The first effect are clear ,no question, but the second "master of armour" is a bit unclear. They said i "may be" take sicarian or predator to be my master of the legion but the space wolves army selection said i cannot taken any other HQ than praetor or centurion.
If i take the RoW the rules of the RoW is used in any case or the sentence " may be" forced me to take the preator/centurion with the RoW with a another centurion or i'm free to take a sicarian/predator with a centurion ?

>>51834406
Beware of the backpack trap, I fucked up and built them wrong as I wasn't used to it coming in two pieces. It's a nice box set, have fun!

>>51834406
Don't spend too much on your Vet Squads (or Tac squads) and don't equip the special weapons differently, pick one thing and give it to the whole squad.

And sell of the stuff that you don't want atm on a local buy and sell group or split the box with a mate or something.

>>51834406
Build everything for 1ksons, see if you can trade Geigor, SoS and Custards for more marines or a couple of dreads.

>>51834411
Looks good, Dark Angels have the potential to be pretty spoopy if done right.

>>51834406
Make everything as Thousand Sons, it isn't fun trying to paint strip a bunch of guys because you regret making half your available models an army you will never play.

>>51834419
>>51834413
I dunno not sure if I'll be using many marines and it'd be nice to have the game to play just to get into the feel of the setting. If I have to drop the game then I imagine a fully painted BoP in the box theme will sell better as well.

>>51834434
Doesn't the SW's "Only Grey Slayers may be taken as compulsory troops" overrule "you must take preds as compulsory troops", making it one of the rites the Wolves can't have?
(incidentally their fluff mentions this - by all accounts on the whole as a legion they weren't very good with armour and siege/set piece assaults

>>51834458
>and it'd be nice to have the game to play just to get into the feel of the setting.
The game/rules you get in BoP isn't the game we all talk about and play here.

>If I have to drop the game then I imagine a fully painted BoP in the box theme will sell better as well.
Nope, I don't know how 'completely new' you are but unless you are a top tier painter then unpainted plastic will sell the best, your badly painted models won't go for anything no matter if they are painted the way BoP recommends or not.

>>51834458
Either it turns out you do want that many marines cos you want a infantry list or something, pr you don't (in which case you've sold your NOS marines).

In no situation does assembled Space Wolves help you - new minis always sell for more unless pro painted. if you want a game go to the lgs or proxy your other marines/armies

>>51834476
Yes, that's how I read it as well.
Inferno is a mess, but that's nothing new.

>>51834510
Pretty sure it's intentional; somewhere it says that some legions can't take some rites of war.

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>>51834443
>Looks good, Dark Angels have the potential to be pretty spoopy if done right.
How big a thing are the robes? The only ones I noticed wearing them are Alajos and Corswain, being a "knightly tradition from Caliban". I've either read or listened all the BL HH books on DA, but there is a possibility I missed any mentions of others wearing them so if you've got a better idea I'm open to suggestions.
I could just go by the VoH artwork but it's quite a loose deal at this point.
I'm not too certain about the main colour to be quite honest. Black is cool, but just a hint of dark green on black like in pic related (I'm aware it's 40k artwork) looks good.

>>51834525
Probably. But that doesn't make Inferno any less of a mess.

>>51834537
No arguments there. On that note - how do Praesidium shield work if only some of the squad has it when it comes to the -1 to hit? Majority?

And please no more complaining about Custodes.

>>51834483
>>51834498
thanks, think I might sell them to a friend instead then and he can paint whatever scheme he wants. Dunno if Geigor will sell though.

Any particular loadouts say for 2 tacs and sekhmets? I'm 50/50 between magnetising the whole set or not magnetising anything. Apologies if this is an obnoxious question but I have no idea what the weapons do in 30k.

>>51834476
Does, say, PotL overrule terminators and vets being Elite and not Troops? Does Legion Recon Company overrule the Support Squad rule on Recce Squads?

Bigger questions is how SW gonna take, say, Fury of the Ancients when they can't take Primus Medicae? The rule does say that Chaplain, Librarian and Primus Medicae are replaced by the Priest of Fenris, so does the Priest count for the rule of the Primus in FotA? Does it have to be a Spooker of the Dead or can it be a Caster of Runes?

>>51834561
Works only when targeting the model with that shield, I think.

>>51834582
>SW gonna take, say, Fury of the Ancients
They can't take it.

>>51834585
That IS what is written. Does that mean only in a challenge though? Pretty stupid to have Sentinel Guard then isn't it, despite them all being characters, only the one in a challenge imposes the penalty? In my few games I've been running it as majority.

>>51834566
>Apologies if this is an obnoxious question but I have no idea what the weapons do in 30k.
Well at least you aren't namefagging.

I'll put some questions out to you to help get an idea of your needs and stuff.

Where do you want your list to go?

Do you even want to play Thousand sons or are you just doing so because you think BoP can only be used for either Wolves or Sons?

If the answer to the above is 'no' are you interested in any other Legion?

Do you like tanks, shooting people, swords, hiding behind walls, etc?

Mega thanks to all the anons in this thread! The World Eater list I'm making is coming together nicely.

So I've got some points spare, should I field a trio of knights or loads of Butchers in something fast?

Also, Inductii are crazy. Crazy. I think they're gonna go in a drop pod and get launched into thick of things.

>>51834566
Tacs are all bolters all the time. Forget about options.
Sekhmets do fine out the box. Don't overcomplicate them. If you want to be saucy, put combi-plasma on them. (Though I hop you're not using unmodified tartaroi as your Sekhmet.)

>>51834613
kek
I was gonna type "it's only obnoxious if you have a name"

>>51834618
Rip'n'tear, dude. Always rip'n'tear.

>>51834618
Just a heads up that butchers are going to get, ironically, butchered by a lot of other Terminators. 2 wounds sure and a lot of attacks, but at I1 even Legion Terminators are going to give them some hurt. Gorgons will get their FNP, Firedrakes will tear you a new one. They are good but not invincible.

>>51834613
I definitely want to do thousand sons, love the lore and all the psyking. Besides the magic stuff which is definitely where I want to be focused I like melee armies and walkers like dreadnoughts. Not too bothered about shooting either and I don't like tanks.

List wise I've looked at the thousand sons pdf and I want to do an osiron dreadnought at some point, maybe magnus as well but not sure. I'd like the loadouts to be jack of all trades but being more melee centric overall.

>>51834653
I mean other Terminators with Fists.

>>51834529
We won't really know for certain until the next book but waiting a year to know if your Dangels will be wearing dresses is silly.

You can use them how you want really, for random guys to break up a sea of black models, for sargents and veterans, ICs etc.

In my list my destroyers are getting traditional Dark Angel robes from the 40k set and my vets are getting FW DA upgrade torsos and 40k BT tabards. Sargents might get something too.

>>51833964
I don't know about you, but most stuff my assault marines die to they'd die without or without shields, and thats volume of fire - they fall out of the sky and stand around touching themselves for a turn after taking out a rhino chassi with pistols; then get turned to swiss cheese by most of the stuff in the enemy army - leaving my tacticals to move in and do their job instead. but then again, I mostly play against eldar, IG and IW.

>>51834658
> I like melee armies

Do keep in mind that Thousand Sons avoided melee if possible, and saw it as something barbaric only the less 'developed' legions loved.

>>51834681
Honestly, I wouldn't take assault marines if I weren't taking a lot of them, how many do you use?
>captcha: find the goose
>it's a painting of a mallard

>>51834658
Cools, looks like you've got a solid idea for your army.

The TS Axis of Disillution Rite of War (rites are extra rules and limitations added to your army to better represent a legion, eg: jetbike troops, bonuses to assault etc.) gives you some bonuses to assault which you could use or run an aggressive melee list.

Their blade occult members are a really good melee unit and could be a really good escort for a biomancy praetor. The Osiron dreadnought you mentioned and the unique automatons could fulfil your need for walkers, I've heard good things about telepathy osirons with psychic shriek and a kheres.

With everyone and their mum getting a force weapon and some of the cult arcana boosting melee abilities you could create a pretty good close combat TS army.

>>51834729
Which makes their melee powerhouses sorta weird.

>>51834766
thanks, sounds like force weapons are viable then? Got some tomb king khopeshes lying around so I might convert the hammer on the sergeants to force staves

>>51833557
The Scarab Occult are THE Sekhmet actually, it's just a different name, so it's fine.

At Inferno-point, which Legion is the best at melee and which one is the best at ranged? Without tanks and automata.

>>51834875
>best at melee
Blood Angels

>Best at Range
Iron Warriors

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>>51834195
What a perfect mix.

>>51834880
>Best at Range
>Without tanks
>Iron Warriors

nah son, Imperial fists.

>>51834880
Why are the bitter boys best at range?

>>51834915
Quad mortars aren't tanks anon :^)

>>51834915
>>51834917
I R O N F I R E

>>51834819
>sounds like force weapons are viable then?
power weapons that activate instant death by a psychic test.

>>51834969
>>51834933
God I'm a retard.

>>51833114
>Also tfw you finally see BFG in a real discussion, but then one guy thinks one of the largest Gloriana class battleships only has 15 damage points.

I actually posted the rules to /tg/ a few months ago, it started out at 20 but everybody was saying that 20 hull points are just way too much and after playing a test game, I tend to agree. the 6+ armour and 4 shields makes it tough as fuck already. However, I'm always open to criticism so if you think you have better stats, post them please.

Also, let's stat the all Glorianas! Any ideas how to represent Raven Guards Sneeki Breeki Tech?

>>51833898
Nothing of value was lost.

Lurk more senpai

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Does anyone have any red-painted Scarab Occults? I only have this shitty version I found on Google and I'd like to see them in Sekhmet colors.

Who would win at space-WW1, Death Guard or Iron Warriors?

>>51834606
No, probably means you'd have to declare any attacks against models with shields separate from the ones without shields.

>>51835125
If it's inside then the Death Guard, if it's outside then the Iron Warriors.

Ravenwing or WS: Which would be more suited for light-cavalry swarm tactics?

>>51835107
Pretty sure some anon in /wip/ did some red Scarabs and they looked sexy as hell.

>>51835157
>spoopy shadow marines or mongle marines
Its a mystery

>>51835157
Define light cav, by generally WS

>>51835107
There's a guy on instagram who has some painted models.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQWNccyjm-A/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQEFdcMDiS5/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPzQuYSjvUg/

>>51835157
none, all marines are heavy cav
>outrider are 30ppm min

>>51834680
True, waiting for the book is a pain. I definitely won't go for the Ravenwing (due to cost, otherwise the protocol is awesome), but other wings are an option, yet we only have the Deathwing and the Firewing markings.

That's the usual way of doing it, but I'd probably use it only Calibanites, especially melee characters. I'll likely go for a full Calibanite army anyway as I like the knights/beast hunters focus.

Why the destroyers? They were predominantly Terrans through most legions and robes are the first thing to melt once they start using their weapons.
Tabards are ok, but seem incomplete without hoods for DA. If green stuff skill allowed for, I'd model several on FW Sigismund's for my dudes, the low-hanging with plaited sides was a cool idea they got.
Mine will certainly have as much true grit chainswords as I can afford with a ton of sidearms in form of pistols, daggers and such, basically anything that I can get my hands on that looks fitting.

>>51834629
>>51834653
Welcome to my party, my name's Rip and this is my good friend, Tear.

HQ
Kharn the Bloody 190
Gorechild

Galhan Surlak 110

Elites
2x Legion Apothecary 90
Chainaxes

3x Legion Techmarine 105

Troops
20 Tactical Marines 280
Chainaxes, Power Fist

20 Tactical Marines 280
Chainaxes, Power Fist

20 Tactical Marines 280
Chainaxes, Power Fist

10 Inductii Tactical Marines 140
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Bolters

10 Inductii Tactical Marines 140
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Bolters

Fast Attack
Anvillus Pattern Drop Pod 115

Anvillus Pattern Drop Pod 115

Heavy Support
Spartan Assault Tank 325
Laser Destroyers, Armoured Ceramite

Spartan Assault Tank 325
Laser Destroyers, Armoured Ceramite

Spartan Assault Tank 325
Laser Destroyers, Armoured Ceramite

I do want to replace the Spartans but I require something with a transport capacity of 20 or more.

>>51834886
Angron was right, the Emperor should have let him get his Vengance. Just outkit his cyberbuddies with the best gear and nuke 30% of the slave-lords army.

>>51835208
Why techmarines? they dont have IC, and your only tnaks are assault transports

Well, like Parthians at Carrhae. I meant as a ranged biker army which would do better considering their Special rules.

>>51833098
You people really don't read do you....

Decapitation strike limits HS to one.

Levi has the anvilus dreadclaw (it's the only thing in the list that can make any use of it)

I guess I'm stuck tweaking it solo

>>51835204
>Why the destroyers?
Rule of cool, I posted some fluff a few threads ago, I'll post it for you in a sec.

>Tabards are ok, but seem incomplete without hoods for DA.
I'll be giving them hoods too.

>Mine will certainly have as much true grit chainswords as I can afford with a ton of sidearms in form of pistols, daggers and such, basically anything that I can get my hands on that looks fitting.
You probably already know this but the 40k deathwing and ravenwing boxes are a really good source of bits. My terminators are made out Deathwing knight torsos and there are sheathed knives and holstered pistols all over those sprues. Also some useful bits for consuls.

>>51835222
Touché good sir. Back to the drawing board.

>>51835252
>Back to the drawing board.
just swap the techmarines for some upgrades or something. No need to alter the whole list.

>>51835250
>fluff
Characters:
Praetor: Paladin-Captain Eilam Cephas - Deathwing
Librarian: Epistolary Gwydion Kaelen - Ravenwing
Moritat: Destroyer Captain Shaddai Ashkenaz - Dreadwing
Siege Breaker: Siege Master Morthwyl Zur - Dreadwing
Chaplain: Chaplain Asir Orel - Ravenwing
Delegatus: Decurion Barzel Kanaph - Ironwing

Overview: A Dark Angels force aboard the battle barge the Spirit of Destiny, one of the biggest of its class among the First Legion fleet equipped for a protracted and violent campaign. They were part of a probing expedition, the 517th, into the southern reaches of the Segmentum Tempestus when the Heresy hit. Due to being on the other side of the Ruinstorm when they heard about the Heresy they missed out on Diamat, the Thramas Crusade and the Battle of Perditus and other major actions committed by the Dark Angels. Because this wasn't a covert operation and the force contained a not insignificant number of Astartes a delegation from Terra raced to ascertain their loyalty.

>>51835208
>I do want to replace the Spartans but I require something with a transport capacity of 20 or more.
Mastodon?
There's also the Stormsword, but I don't remember if it's an assault vehicle or not, and it's so focused towards infantry-killing that it kind of undermines the idea of an infantry-centric army.
And taking big transports might be a tricky bit of business because they can reliably clump your infantry together, letting the enemy maneuver better than "MSU".

>>51835252
You can take a 3rd HQ, so make it a forgelord with rad grenades, which is the same thing as what you want

>>51835278
he meeting almost descended into bloodshed due to the fear of the humans at confronting potentially traitor Space Marines and the Dark Angels injured pride at being assumed less than exemplary, swords were drawn and guns were aimed until a lone Astartes armoured in raw ceramite war-plate was able to calm the situation. The mysterious warrior explained that the golden age of the Great Crusade had ended and the galaxy had entered a shadowy time where even Primarchs were to be held in suspicion. The expedition commander, Paladin Eilam Cephas, a capable, veteran warrior whose belief in the Crusade was indomitable, was stunned and outraged by the news and requested status on The Lion and the bulk of the Dark Angels forces.
When told that they were unaccounted for and possibly trapped behind impenetrable warp storms Cephas and his lieutenants volunteered themselves and their Space Marine forces in full service to the Imperium. The Knight Errant had anticipated such a reaction from the Dark Angels and had prepared a number of objectives for them, many being worlds brought to compliance by confirmed traitor legions in the galactic south-west. Among other targets were a number of worlds marked as dead or death worlds that were once home to advanced civilisations, whether human or xeno. The only condition of this was that the Knight Errant accompany the mission, while some of the Dark Angels command were reluctant about being spied on by a warrior who had yet to identify himself Paladin Cephas understood the nature of the command. Any further reservations were silenced, externally at least, by the Knight's statement that this wasn't a personal request but orders that came from an authority higher than any Astartes.

>>51835289
The Dark Angels declared these objectives to be a new Crusade and took to them with uncompromising pursuit, viewing the new Imperium in a very black and white manner. They quickly brought their wrath upon enemy commanders whether rebel soldiers, fallen planetary governors or traitorous Astartes. Their once shining vessel, a former beacon of humanity's power and right to rule the stars, was renamed to the Veil of Judgement and became a symbol of the Dark Angel's vengeance against those who would defy the Imperium.
Due to the nature of the 517th fleet's mission into unknown territory a large contingent of Dreadwing warriors accompanied them, these savage and warmongering Astartes were eager to unleash their long forbidden weapons on those that betrayed the Imperium, none more so than the black robed destroyers under the command of Moritat Shaddai Ashkenaz who operated with what would previously have been censure worthy actions. Having been given permission to defy the Edict of Nikaea by the Knight Errant the Expeditions chief Librarian, Epistolary Gwydion Kaelen, reported headaches when in Shaddai's presence and his subordinates reported similar occurrences when fighting alongside his destroyers. Whether this is coincidence or something more sinister remains to be seen...

>>51833098
Not that anon, but please tell me in what universe fire raptors are suitable for shooting flare shielded AV14

>>51835299
Nice fluff, but aren't Moritat out of the chain of command ?

>>51835320
They're supposed to be, but for some reason the crunch makes them useless now except as "Destroyer Prime".

>>51835320
Their description makes it a grey area, it seems like some legions consider them dishonourable while others have a boner for them. IMO it would be silly to disregard the tactical advice/opinion of a veteran warrior just because he is bloodthirsty and carries two plasma pistols.

The only troops he has any official influence over are the destroyers anyway.

Would it be considered too snowflakey to fluff my army as a XVIII probing expedition of ~1500 warriors joined by a small force of the XV in for moar artefacts and a single squad of custodes, coerced into fighting traitors first and enforce Nikaea later ?

>>51835250
>I'll post it for you in a sec.
Sure, I wasn't around the several last threads.

>I'll be giving them hoods too.
GS?

>DW&RW
Those are great boxes, the only thing about them that irks me is that relatively a lot of bitz would remain unused by me, I'm too autistic to have mk7 and the new Deathwing icons. We still don't know whether the RW badge stays the same pre- and post-Heresy.
Otherwise, I'd love to put Indomitus helmets onto other variants.

>>51835278
>Shaddai Ashkenaz
kek
Nice outline though, it makes sense for each fleet to combine several ordinations to be as adaptable as possible.
The last part almost made me wonder whether their loyalty was found wanting.

>>51835320
Any higher-ranked member of the Dreadwing is as unhinged as Moritats.

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>>51835388
>any DA
>as unhinged like Moritats
>mfw

>>51834476
The fluff say yes, only one compagnie is armored, the iron wolves, i would play them.
>>51834483
Like the Man say, the RoW allow me to take the Predator, they must be my compunsolry. If you're SW or RG don't care.

My question is the RoW let me choose, i can take with a want, but my main rules say take that and that, i think RoW exist to specialised your armis, the rites open closes doors by the regular rules.
The core rules say take 2HQ in these fellows, the RoW say you can take that if toi want. Well I take what the RoW offert, and i follow the core rules with a second HQ in my list.
I'm rigth?

>>51835388
>GS?
yeah unfortunately, need to improve my skills with it first. Check out some tutorials.

>kek
Yeah, I ran most of my names through a Hebrew name dictionary, oy vey, they know, shut it down etc. The names all mean something in a loose sense at least, IIRC Shaddai Ashkenaz means a destroying fire or something, really subtle I know.

>Nice outline though, it makes sense for each fleet to combine several ordinations to be as adaptable as possible.
Yeah, they are one of those isolated snowflake your guys fleets with no names characters meaning I have as much freedom as possible. Plus the combined arms aspect makes sense I think rather than having everyone be ravenwing or something. I've left the shoulder pads free so I can paint the wing sigils on them when we finally get book 8.

>The last part almost made me wonder whether their loyalty was found wanting.
I'm undecided what to do with them, I hate being the bad guy but it might be interesting to have at least a split or schism in the forces leading to one loyal group and one blackshield force. Or maybe they just love killing traitors so much that their emotions heavily affect the warp around them which the librarians can easily detect.

Salamanders are nicest legion.
We burn you to death. But we don't use phospex to do this because it is too inhuman.

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>>51835602
>not using living fire
>not enhancing your flamers with 11 secret herbs and spices

Ooh, what's that smell... The sweet phosphex, ooh, it sings to me! It's enough to make a man sick.

>>51835334
Physical proof that this is the worst general on the board

>>51835700
/pfg/ exists

Question: in an Armoured Breakthrough Rite of War list, is it truly mandatory to buy a dedicated transport, or is it possible to take infantry that CAN take a dedicated transport without one, but always put them inside a tank that can carry them, leaving no infantry unit disembarked at the start of the game?
I'm thinking mostly about the Caestus assault ram and the termies which could go within it.
Is there any way to buy anything to put inside the Caestus that doesn't leave a Land Raider or Spartan empty?

>>51835238
I thought the Dreadclaw was for the breachers. I don't think the Leviathan can use it.

>>51834476
You can have a Fury fetish and practice car tuning.

>>51835743
It's mandatory. Read the rule:
>All Infantry units that can do so must purchase a Dedicated Transport, and those without the option must be deployed mounted in another vehicle which itself has a Transport capacity. All such vehicles must have the Tank or Super-heavy Tank type.
>All Infantry units that can do so must purchase a Dedicated Transport
>MUST PURCHASE A DEDICATED TRANSPORT
I know that's annoying, but you just have to deal with it. They want you to bring lots of Rhinos, LRs and Spartans if you're taking any infantry. It's all part of the flavor of the list. Caestus is a "tank" but it's not really a tank; the fluff has it as more of a boarding vessel used in space battles, so it doesn't really fit in a fluffy armour and mechanized infantry army.

>>51835334
kek, some funny stuff in there.