/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

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Repostan cos it was late in thread.
When you look at the Caedere weapons, the Axe is a discount power axe, but costs 5 points more than it, the same as a power fist. Likewise the Twin Falx blades are less obviously shitty, but still basically discount lightning claws.

The meteor hammer might be worth 10 points, because instead of being a discount power maul, it swaps one point of AP (mostly irrelevant in 30k) and takes on bonus-attack restrictions* in exchange for an extra point of initiative (which can make a difference).

But are they really worth 1.5 times the cost of the power weapons their crunch is apparently based on?
It seems to me that there are two logical roles the Caedere weapon can be made to serve, but FW has given them the crunch of one and the points cost of the other. They should either be discount power weapons with situational uses available to World Eaters, or buffed so as to be an expanded set of power fist/lightning claw price-range weapons available to the World Eaters. Both options would be fluffy and make them more intimidating in combat, but instead they're left with weapons less effective and more expensive than the ones they're apparently supposed to supersede, which all other legions can access, and a handful even outdo, for more generous points costs!

*Also what's the point of giving a weapon both "two-handed" and specialist weapon? Is it to give characters using a fist or claw alongside these weapons the bonus of another attack when using those (superior, no more expensive) weapons alongside the Caedere weapons they have equipped? Who even does that?

Good loadouts for an Archmagos? Taking a whole bunch of supporty stuff on him, but he's going to be hanging with the gravidons in the Macrocarid. Chainfist and Photon Thruster was what I was thinking, I'd take another Graviton Imploder but that would cost me T6 and a bunch of toys from the Machinator, and it's not like S6 AP2 Gets Hot is much worse than Grav when BS5 PE in the T4 millennium.

Also, Militia players, how do you kit your Force Commanders? He's obviously leading my CH/TF Genetor Levy swarm, in allied detatchment.
Is he worth some toys? Was thinking a 5pt Tainted Weapon just because I might nail a lucky ID Rend, but that's all. Thing is, I always see lists where he has a billion toys and a Power Fist, wondering why.

>>51820184
>tfw you spell Caedere wrong
Fuck.
>>51820160
Concussive should work on hits to begin with.

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Red shoulders representing

>>51820350
You know, that Helm wouldn't look too out of place on a White Scar...

>>51820350
Paint them black NOW. You are a disgrace for Lorgar and the Word Bearers Legion

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Finished Custodian squad with attached Shield Captain.

This is about 500 points, wew lad.

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>>51820431
Also a Scout squad which will be used as Carapace armour Recon Marines.

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>>51820401
Black shoulders suck tho

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>>51820459
And finally, thanks to the magic of magnets...

:^)

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>>51820459
Is that sergeant from La Mancha?

>>51820431
Good stuff, nice bases and faces.

>>51820459
Scouts ARE carapace-armoured marines though.

Nice skin, and interesting head choices. Where from?

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>>51820481
>>51820350

>>51820541
Why's that Sanguinary Guard cosplaying as an Ultra?
>>51820431
>>51820459
Nice.

Btw how many actual autists are there here? Aspergers ww@

>>51820532
Yeah, his face was done based on both Don Quijote and my defunct Grandfather.

>>51820540
Most of the faces are the default scout ones with the hair shaved off and resculpted with GS, the two helmeted heads are from Bret armsmen, with some techy bits added on.

>>51820613
Fuck, meant to reply with my first post to >>51820538

Virtues of the Sons/Sins of the Father audiodrama anyone?

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>>51820532

>>51820575
>sanguinary guard termies

please do this FW

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>>51820184
Reminder that Bobby is most handsome primarch.

>>51820229
Then you've got Grey Slayer upgrades at the other extreme, cheaper than anyone else gets. Ridiculous.

>>51820613
Good work on that, the sergeant Quixote especially is impressive.

I find the helmets peculiar though. The one on the far right looks techy, alright, but an out-of-place aesthetic IMO.
The on the left though, I thought it was a straw hat, sorry.

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>>51820431
>shield-captain
>doesn't have a shield

>>51820184
2k alpha legion with some allied mechnicus:

HQ
Viglator, AA, RF, power axe

Troops
Tacs, AA PF,PD,CCW
Tacs, AA, PF,PD, CCW

Elites
Mortis, Khers
Cortis, chainfist,DCCW, EA
2 Apothecary, augury scanners
Fast attack
10 Seekers, AA, PS, [apoth]
Heavy support
Sicaran, lascannon, armored ceramite

HQ
Arch-Magos,ordinator,MC photon thruster
Troops
15 tech thralls, RA CA, IC
15 tech thralls, RA CA, IC
Elites
enginseer Auxilia, laccrymental.


so the plan is, the magos sits with the thralls, and snipes big tanks (str 6, lance, armour bane boi)

vigilator, sits with the seekers and provides BUFFS FOR DAYS

thoughts?

>>51820829
His shield is disgust. Duh!

>>51820585
approx.41% of the thread according to the thread legion demographic poll

>>51820431
So when is someone just gonna paint these as Klan members?

>>51820829
It should be Prefect, not Shield Captain anyway, Shield Captain should be the title for the Custodes in each squad with the best pose.

>>51820301
What kind of archmagos? If you go myrmidax he can take two photon thrusters which is pretty sweet.

>>51820870
Because the HQ would be a wizard, which would break the Edict of Nikaea.

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>>51820891
Why do you think he has no sense of right or wrong?

>>51820870
Laughed, but I might consider a white armour for my (eventual set of) Custodes, who knows.

>>51820891
Yeah, and we could make a Magos the Grand Dragon.

>>51820819
Yeah, I wanted to go for a more feudal aesthetic on those lads, I enjoy the straw hat guy, merely because if slightly out of place, it gives him some character.

>>51820734
Kek

>>51820829
Well, he is magnetized to carry one if needed, I just like him better without it.

>>51820879
He's an Archimandrite, I just figured that after loading him up with Occularis and survivability gear he may as well have a couple decent weapons. This way he has Photon Thruster + Inferno Pistol/Flamer, which is decent dakka to follow up with 4 Chainfist attacks and two Shred Armourbane Power Axe attacks.

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My project for this week.

>>51821180
Good luck DG-anon.

I hope those hands are magnetised?

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>>51821297
Never. I only magnetise dreads.

>>51821323
What recommendations do you have for dread magnetisation? What's your system?

>>51821337
I use pieces from food cans for the magnets to attach to. Also a drill.

>>51821355
What size magnets?
(In mm)

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>>51821367
3 mm I think? I think I bought a set from ebay which had a drill and same-sized magnets years ago.

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So now that the post inferno madness has settled a bit
Whats /hhg/s overall opinion of the custodes?
To me it seems fairly accurate to the fluff, individually very powerfull, but under sustained fire from astartes they will eventually crumble
Also I can't be the only one whos ok with AP3 spears, the its stil very good against marines and means you have to plan your charges carefully, rather than 40k where its 'point the custodes at tge bad guy and kill them'

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>>51821451
Pretty much. Squads full of AP2 at initiative are only for the truest paragons of the Imperium, the finest supersoldiers in the galaxy from the finest source in the galaxy.

>>51821451
>Whats /hhg/s overall opinion of the custodes?

Powerful and resilient army that will most likely lose the objective against most armies.

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>>51821534
You can't lose the objective if you never played the objective to begin with.

>>51820655
At this persistence of begging you should just buy them m8.

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For the anon that asked me for a full army shot a few threads ago, here you go mate.

>>51821451
I think Valdor's rules are over the top, and maaaaybe the Caladius grav-tank, but as an army they seem alright. There'll probably be some paper-scissors-rock effect, win big or lose big based on whether you make it into close combat or not.

>>51821592
These are very nice.

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>>51821592
>40k jetpacks

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>>51821656
0/30,000, prepare for censure.

>>51821656
GW plastics are the only source for MkVI Assault squads and Im 99% sure those jump packs are for MkVI and MkVII but I could be wrong.

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>>51821722
>RG army absolutely must have only MkVI

>>51821656
Old fluff mentions those jump packs being developed along with MkVI armour, there's multiple depictions of Heresy era troops equipped with those as well.

>>51821776
>RG shouldn't use MkVI

/hhg/ never ceases to amaze me.

>>51821722
When in doubt, it's safe to assume 40k stuff is Mark VI, since Marks 5 through 8 are fundamentally upgrades of the Mark IV, or at least backwards compatible.

>>51821776
>Heresy-era armour isn't allowed if it isn't FW

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>>51821800
>using MkVI as an excuse to buy cheap plastic models

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>>51821838
>using MkIII, IV, Cataphractii and Tartaros as an excuse to buy cheap plastic models

>>51821838
>using expensive as an excuse to buy unfluffy resin

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>>51821878
>jumping to conclusions

>>51821838
>assault marine kit comes with 2 MkIV legs and 1 helmet
>have to buy all the rest in bits
>probably end up spending more money on those plastic MkVIs than on resin crack

lol

Autocannon+fist or autocannon+missile launcher for my boxnaut talon leader?

>>51821927
>jump to conclusions
>while accusing others of jumping to conclusions

wew lad

>>51821927
There's no difference between using plastic MkVI and using plastic marks not made anymore in the 41st millennium.

>>51821967
>Jump Packs.
>Mfw: :^)

>>51821451
Their basic troop squads and most of their vehicles are fine I think, it's just that pretty much everyone who plays them is clearly gonna use valdor or cheese-stodes himself, both who seem very over the top for their price. Considering a legion Praetor can get close if you kit him out to the fullest but is still relative trash compared though.

I think their tanks are fine considering that have shit rear armor and can't be squadrons if I'm not mistaken

The one elite dread that can have a potential desstroyer weapon is a bit over the top compared to its price

Their heavy support squads is arguably trash compared to an equivalent legion squad and even their own jetbikes

The Heatoron guard could be somewhat cheese depending on load out, their terminators are arguably overshadowed by said elite guard unit though

Not custodes, but the sisters seem fine but I highly doubt if you play Talons of the Emperor, your gonna take sisters because of how hardy their basic sqauds are even if sisters would make good scoring units

All in all, if someone is playing custodes, first judge them on how their HQ is set up, if it's valdor the person may be hit or miss, but if they're playing cheese-stodes then judge him hard. From their either prepare to bring out all the S6 firepower to reliably force saves or prepare to spam all of the S10 AP2/Instadeath weapons you have on them to remove them

Just be happy they don't have access to wide spread feel no pain

>I apologise now for mentioning them not having feel no pain as forge world may now very well give them army wide access to it

What different combat tendencies would Death Guard chapters have? Chemical warfare, footslogging and terminator/dreadnought focus are kinda universal to the whole legion.

>>51822066
Anything that isn't technically impossible thanks to their legion restrictions, but I don't think they're one of those legions.

>>51822144
I just need something to give my Chapter some character.

>>51820541
That's the dumbest thing BL has released

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It's annoying that Word Bearers' combat doctrines aren't expanded upon beyond "they like using mass waves inf" etc.

I really like the Death Guard's slogging, heavy focus, but they've got the worst lore. I guess Word Bearers are vanilla space marines because they're more civilization-builders, so I can just do whatever kind of setup. Plus demons n' magical shit

>>51822144
They got those poison huffer ships, don't they? As I'm using The Reaping, I've been working on making me entire army as a sort of Destroyer company or something. Just rad grenades, chemical weapons, etc. all over the place. 420 huff it.

>>51822203
Demons and diabolists are the biggest thing.

>>51822210
That's not a particularly unique idea among Death Guard chapters desu. I'm not DG, but I do wish destroyers were stronger (better options) and there was an RoW for them and certain siege-oriented legion units.

>>51822203
I don't know anon, they seem to care more about simbolism in their actions than militar tactics. I like to think of them using big formations of troops and smashing the enemy by numbers while ashen circle squads purge the false emperor's icons and vindicators destroy the cities to the ground.

>>51822238
>Demons and diabolists are the biggest thing.

Until other traitors start getting access to them.

>>51820229
Blue pls

To be honest, I think I'll just take lots of Chainaxes, the occasional Power Fist and a Melta Bomb. We've got to breach the Eternity Gate after all and with Sanguinius and his lads defending it, we're gonna have hit hard *if* we make it.

Also, Spartan Vehicle Upgrades are cool. I'm liking the Arnoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Auxilliary Drive and Dozer Blade.

Rough template is:
The RAEG Bus
Legion Spartan Assault Tank: 295
Auxilliary Drive: 10
Armoured Ceramite: 20
Flare Shiled: 25
Dozer Blade: 5
Total Cost:355

I'm building Space Fleet to accompany my Ultramarines, what kind of Battlecruiser or Grand Cruiser would you say is the most fitting for Astartes? An Exorcist looks like it might fit, but I'd like your opinion, /hhg/

>>51820301
>force commander

The real answer is nothing. The fun answer is EVERYTHING!

>>51820431
How'd you do the dirty gold?

>>51822505
They had strike cruisers and battle barges in the 30th millenium - both the Iron Blood and the Contrador were of that design in Book 3. I'd just go with one of those.

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>toy with an idea to make HQ out of the old mkIII chapter master model
>all masters of the chapter kits on ebay are around 70+ euros
>meanwhile it's 26 €+postage on GW site

>>51822503
You aren't using the correct army list are you anon?

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>>51822505
Grand cruisers are sexy as hell but you're never gonna get a model for them. I would go with the Exorcist or the Retaliator for versatility.
For a battleship I would go with the Oberon all the way for the same reason.

>>51822547
I got a metal one for like 10€ not so long ago. He'll be my Breacher sergeant.

>>51822508
Yeah, thought so. We did a "Build-a-snowflake" competition once, 200pts worth of Faction HQ per player, cage match with 7 different players. Lots of single Praetors and Magi, and the SA guy with a kitted Marshal who kept teleporting onto people and across the cage. And one dude with 2 Force Coms with Rending ID and a couple toys, who wound up winning because everyone else went with the Powerfist Mathhammer and got sliced by 8 Rending ID attacks with Zealot and sometimes PE.

2500 points of manly humans
also trying to go for something that isnt just dracosian spam

HQ
Lord Marshal
Archeotech Pistol, Artificer Armour
110 pts

Tactical Command Section x10
100 pts

Tank Commander
Valdor Tank Hunter
355 pts

Elite
Medicae Detachment (for Lasrifle Sections)
60 pts

Auxillia Rapier Battery
x3 Quad Mortar
180 pts

Troops
Tercio #1
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Flamer Section
125 pts
Aegis Defence Line
50 pts

Tercio #2
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Flamer Section
125 pts
Aegis Defence Line
50 pts

Tercio #3
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Flamer Section
125 pts
Aegis Defence Line
50 pts
Fast Attack
Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery
x2 Heavy Bolter, x1 Lascannon
100 pts

Heavy Support
Malcador
235 pts

Malcador
235 pts

Total: 2500 pts

>>51822534
>They had strike cruisers and battle barges in the 30th millenium
I know, but similar to tanks the variety of ships used was much greater back then, and they actually fielded line ships instead of the glorified troop- and Exterminatus- delivery systems called Battle Barges. I will certainly field a few of those as it is mentioned that Guilliman actually already focused on what would later become general Marine Navy Tactics, but I want a Grand-/Battle-cruiser because
>A
Battle Barges are too huge for 750 points games
>B
I will probably play a Heresy campaign with other people and if everybody runs plain CSs and BBs it's gonna be quite boring
and
>C
They're damn sexy.

>>51822590
>Grand cruisers are sexy as hell but you're never gonna get a model for them
Eh, they pop up on ebay occasionally.

>>51822599
Metal rules but failcast versions are better for converting.

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>>51822554
I don't know which is the correct list.

>>51822632
>Eh, they pop up on ebay occasionally.
yeah but those are for me

>>51822503
>Blue pls
Loyalist lapdog of the false emperor!

>just take a power fist
In the meantime, yeah, fine, but which way of fixing the Caedere weapons would you prefer?

>>51822625
No glorious BAMF Displacer Matrix? With that many Sections hanging around the board it's basically a free TP away strapped onto a 2++ save.

>>51822663
As long as you are an Ultramarine

>>51822720
No.

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I never get to post my grand cruiser pictures

>>51822749
Then come fite me traitor, 1v1, say that to my face heretic not per astropath and see what happens, ill rek you m8 swer on me mum

>>51822625
You don't have that much anti-tank/anti-MCspam. Malcadors aren't the most point efficient AT out there. Probably better off dropping a few infantry squads and going for some Russes to Outflank and drop on people.

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>>51822505
>>51822590
>>51822632
I agree the Exorcist fits well, but good luck. Whenever Grand Cruisers show up on eBay (the ones based on the Vengeance-class, not my Repulsive-class here), they go for $100. Pic related can be found on Aliexpress, look for Irene^_^. Their BFG stuff gets taken down almost as quickly as it goes up, so just contact them through the site. Good selection, but none of the Vengeance-type Grand Cruisers.

I'd get an Emperor-class battleship and load up on normal cruisers. Since it has 5+ armor it isn't actually that crazy in a 1500pt game, and it's one of the few points-efficient carriers in the Imperial fleet. It's also what the Maccrage's Honour was drawn as. Then supplement with Tyrant/Gothic pairs. But the real firepower in an Imperial fleet comes from Swords and Cobras. They need to hang back until your cruisers have taken down shields and done some damage, then strike.

>>51822855
>Whenever Grand Cruisers show up on eBay (the ones based on the Vengeance-class, not my Repulsive-class here), they go for $100.
More like $150. Battleships are $100.
I got a couple of the Aliexpress ships but I didn't like them.
I've got genuine damn BFG ships.

So what's the general opinion on the Leviathan FoC? I've never seen it used, but I'm thinking it will be a requirement if I want to actually use my Filiketos in a reasonable game, although 4k isn't completely outside the realms of possibility in 30k.

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>>51822855
I'm actually in the process of sizing up an Emperor to serve as the Macragge's Honour. I even drafted rules for it with the ship construction rules.

As to the prize, money isn't really an issue, as this is a one off buy for a hobby I love, I got a steady income and some money in the pig.

>>51822637
What's there to convert, the fist, sword arm and head are all separate. Only issue might be the crux on the shoulder, which just needs a little snipping and filing.

My biggest problem is how I'm gonna fit a combi-melta, fist and shield on him. Might just leave the shield off.

>>51822978
Fair enough. It just hurts if you know they used to be $35 or so. You'll still have to get carrier modules though if you do up an Exorcist.

>>51822874
I have a bunch of genuine ones too, and in recent years expanded using Aliexpress. The resin copies certainly aren't as good as the plastics, but I like them more than the metal ships. The originals were often pretty poorly cast, and even the escorts took some work to make them fit onto a flying base. In other words, neither source is/was great.

>>51822285
You're largely correct about Word Bearers.

While they're still Space Marines, and ultimately highly intelligent when it comes to battlefield tactics, they are extremely in-tune with symbolism and hidden meanings, and as such will often make seemingly nonsensical actions if they believe it will greater enhance the potency of their overall action (i.e. taking time to conduct rituals rather than consolidate gains and rapidly crush foes)

This is further facilitated by the fact that in the 40K universe they are more or less correct in their belief in the power of symbolism.

>>51823042
>neither source is/was great.
Oh god just trying to work the Vengeance into something workable was a pain in the ass. Just trying to get the damn thing to be straight was took a week of greeenstuffing, drilling, pinning, and plasti-carding.
worth it though

>>51823084
Just why are BFG ships so damn sexy? Is it the phallic imagery? The Gothic decorations? The knowledge that your guns are loaded by human muscle?

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>>51823104
All of the above.
Also the larger a spaceship is the cooler it becomes.

>>51823104
I think it drives home that it's a battle between humanity and inter-dimensional cosmic evil with nothing less than the fate of the universe at stake.
It's a bit desensitising after a bit to hear of the dozen systems lost per week without the Imperium flinching, but when the backdrop of space is the canvas on which the impossibly huge human battles are being fought, it's almost like doubling the grimdarkness of it all.

Wish they'd hurry up and remake this in plastic soon.

>>51822554
I'm gonna get everything and try and find the correct list. Any pointers?

>>51822665
I needs the blood anon, it's tasty.

>Caedere Weapons
Meteor Hammer: Make it concuss on it.
Excoriator Chainaxe: Remove Unwieldy
Falax Blades: AP4
Barb Hook Lash: Remove Specialist Weapon

>>51823189
>Meteor Hammer
*concuss on hit

>>51823189
>Any pointers
Find the Age Of Darkness one.
>those fixes
I prefer mine, but meteor hammer concussing on hits is the better fix.

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>>51823128

>>51823330
>>51823128
I remember there being a list with ship classes used during the Heresy, anyone know what book it was in? Thanks in advance!

Do you guys ever fight 40k armies? Is it fluffy? I was thinking about getting some Guard allies because there's a big difference between SA and the Imperial Army in quality.

>>51823377
HH book III pg 15

>>51823402
>I was thinking about getting some Guard allies

Illegal, 30kvs40k can happen at your own discretion but 30k with 40k allies is impossible as they have different ally charts. The exception is Demons which can be allied to only 2 armies.

>>51823402
>Do you guys ever fight 40k armies? Is it fluffy?
How in the world would it be fluffy for a 30k army to fight a 40k army? Fluffy is when you find an excuse for one of the two to be in the other setting (which doesn't take much, really).

When you say Guard allies, do you mean for M41 games or M31 as Imperial Army?

>>51823402
Imperial Army has the IMaWC book. Can proxy basically every guard model.

>>51822855
>>51822874
>>51823042
Since you guys seem to know your way around eBay: is it worth it to hunt for unassembled plastic Chaos cruisers instead of buying recasts from Aliexpress?

I got myself a test cruiser from Aliexpress and while the quality was decent and probably worth it for battleships, it was a bit fiddly to have to sand and greenstuff all the casting errors. I'm not sure if I have the willpower to do that for every single cruiser and heavy cruiser for a full fleet instead of getting plastics.

>>51823330

Funny, that's about the same size as Lorgar's Abyss Class Superbattleships.

>>51823434
Thanks.
Ha! The trusty Cobra was used even back then. It truly is best ship.

>>51823454
Are you saying Militia are too shitty to be guardsmen? When you can have an entire army of them in power armour riding land raiders?

>>51823487
Unassembled ships are few and far between but if you don't mind waiting just keep your eye out for them

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>>51823434

>Not posting the image.

>>51823475
IMAWC?

>>51823467
M31 Imperial Army. Lots of guys worked with the Army, but Solar Auxilia are pretty much void operations focused and only the best of the best of the best.

>>51823586
Imperialis Militia and Warp Cults. They can represent a wide variety of dudes from feral world melee hordes to DAoT techno-barbarians.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Militia_and_Cults_(30k)

>>51823487
You'll eventually find assembled Chaos cruisers at $20 for two. Wait til you find the classes you want. Not worth waiting for unassembled ones - they're rare. But yeah, Aliexpress isn't great for normal cruisers because the originals actually fit together really well, and they're one of the few things that cost more as recasts than they originally did.

>>51823475
>Can proxy basically every guard model.

As long as they're basically Death Korps with some special rules. You can't make sneaky gits, you can't make drop troops, you can't make mechanized infantry, etc. You can make big blobs of dudes with a buff or two, and super-heavies, Russes and static artillery.

>>51823696
>you can't make mechanized infantry
Survivors of a dark age can take rhinos.

>>51823696
Well you can use the models, if not the rules.

>>51823734
For power armoured Grenadiers.

>>51823756
As long as you don't plan on using chimeras, valkyries, mobile artillery, rough riders, hellhounds, armoured sentinels, special weapons on non-carapace dudes, some of your Russ variants, etc. etc.

>>51823818
>For power armoured Grenadiers.
Doesn't mean you can't do it, though I do agree Militia needs more options.

>>51823818
Chimeras and mobile artillery do appear in the SA list. Valkyries could proxy pretty easily for the current planes.

But yeah more stuff (and less typos!) would be nice.

>>51822428
Welcome to how Mechanicum feel, when everyone else can just take your units and also have better versions of them for no reason.

>>51823871
Sorry, not Chimeras explicitly but you can use any of the Chimera-mounted artillery pieces from 40k.

>>51823853
Or just make Army proper and leave Militia as the PDF army options.

>>51820833
Boring alpha legion cookie cutter list number 1272.

>>51823508
>>51823634
Cheers m8s. If the unassembled ones are rare I'll just go for recasts, I'd rather wrestle with resin than try to salvage other people's fuckups.

>>51823871
>Chimeras and mobile artillery do appear in the SA list.

Not in Militia, though.

>>51823885
If you're Marines. SA got their own Russ hull versions and Militia has the emplaced artillery pieces.

>>51822428
Technically other traitors can already have access to them, they just need to have Militia army as a tax for it. Its Army of Dark Compliance with a Rogue Psyker for Demon allies.

Have faith WB, your possessed units are great and the Contemptor kind of wrecks Thousand Sons.

>>51823873
Can't say I know that feel, I'm the one waiting to get access to daemons. Got a nice little point slot saved up just for them.

I'm starting to paint a squad of 20 mkIII and another squad of 20 mkIV for my word bearers. Would it be fluffy to use different chapter transfers for each one? I'm thinking about getting Zardu Layak so I'd like my main force to be warriors of the Unspeaking chapter (the ones wearing mk IV and big tanks, as they were favoured by Lorgar they should have the best equipment) but I really like the flayed hand chapter so mark III squad could represent Calth veterans.
Thoughts?

>>51820481
Care to tell us about your paint scheme? It's quite nice.

>>51824116
>Thoughts?

Go for it, its not like chapters were forced to work on their own. Its a legion so you strike like a legion and thats bound to have several chapters in the same warzone.

>>51824009
AoDC is a real mess to work with. I lose my RoW and I need to pack a whole lotta Militia into it.

>>51823627
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Militia_and_Cults_(30k)
Thank you! I'm hoping to do up some Tallarn proper to go full Durka Durka on the Iron Fire faggots here.

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Can someone help with my Custodes?

Here's my 2.5k List

HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar, Digital Lasers, Paragon Spear 275pt

Elite: Legio Custodes Hetaeron Squad of 5 w/ 2 Praesidium Shields, 2 Paragon Blades, and 2 Solerite Gauntlets 420pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade 285pt

Dedicated Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav-Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Teleport Transponders 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Teleport Transponders 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Extra Armor 200pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought 250pt

Total = 2500pt

I'm still figuring them out since this army is my first after so many years, and I stopped playing at the end of 5th Ed. I'm trying to figure out what works and what's cool; especially since I'm already collecting them. Absolutely lost my shit when I saw Custode models were now a thing since they've been my favorite for years.

I'm trying to find a way to incorporate more speed when I can, and in a 3k List I added 5 Jetbikes and another Grav Carrier.

>>51824340
>Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar
No.
>Squads of 5
I'm of the opinion 5 squads of three would be better than 3 of 5

>>51823905
>ugh your list has troops as an HQ choice
anon, this game has tactical marines in it, i am sorry if this triggers you

>>51822632
>>51822855
>>51822978
Was Maccrage's Honor ever described in the books, like the other flagships?
I wonder what Guilliman's personal party van was like, and why he didn't commission another one built after the Heresy.

>>51824444

Your quads trigger me.

>>51820833
I don't understand what the purpose of the tech thralls is in this list.

You also have too many troop slots for an allied detachment.

>>51824340
I don't think you've got enough anti-tank, especially as you only have two units with any worthwhile shooting (the two grav-tanks). Everything else has to run up and punch the tanks, which isn't always that easy - one flat-out move after you deep strike and you're not catching them with infantry, so a second caladius would help. Also, does your local meta use fliers? The custodes don't actually have anything with skyfire, but there's means and ways (fortifications, for example).

I kind of wonder if you wouldn't be better writing a list for say 2000 points, leaving a 500 point gap for when other models (jetbikes, say) come up for sale.

>>51824528
Allied detachments have two troop slots.

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>>51824496

Now they are in the compartment, the view through the crystalflex wall has become more spectacular. Below them, the vast hull of the flagship gleams in the sunlight as it extends away. Macragge’s Honour. Twenty-six kilometres of polished ceramite and steel armour. Flanking it, at lateral anchor marks, eighteen fleet barges, each one the size of a city, gleam like silver-blue blades.

>>51824528
The tech thralls are meat sheild to help protect my vehcles from drop pod assult. they also act as ob sect bodies in maelstrom missions, and as ablative wounds for arch-magos-FuckYouTanks. they are also 4+ dudes with 4+ FNP, so are pretty hardy AND have 2 str 4 shots each

allied detachments may have a max of two troops

>>51824499
Guess i was four-tunate to get them, as they prove me right as they prove me Quad-rect

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>>51824562
Ultramarine ships are pretty swag.

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>>51824532
The way you desrcibe it, I'm thinking of dropping one Custodes squad and taking another Caladius, then adding one more Custodian in two squads to fill that 100 point gap. Then splitting both those squads into four squads of 3.

That works, right?

>>51824340
>Shield and familiar
comeon man, dont be a dick

>>51824672
>"Nice everything you got here, xenos, it would be shame if something were to happen to it."

>>51824692
He posted the same list last thread, we tried to tell him.

>>51824692

All who play Cuckstodes are dicks.

>>51824562
Dammit. Old fluff when Vengeful spirit, conqueror etc were just primach's battle barges and not 20KM Glorianna clas Battleships was easier. Now Chaos boys have at least 2 Glorianna's.
And yet Abaddon have taken smaller and weaker Planet Killer for his flagship.

>>51824741

To put it in perspective, in Battlefleet Gothic Scale a Gloriana is as long as two Emperor class Battleships and a Sword Class Frigate all nose-to-tail. I pity anyone trying to build that.

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Two questions for you guys.

1. I want to branch from WE to White Scars. Play tested my list today with proxies and it went pretty well, I like it. Problem is, since the list is literally 29 jetbikes and 4 speeders, it's going to be very expensive. Even recast, the bikes (and riders since I want Mk II riders) alone will be like $550. Plus Kromlech legs and glaives, upgrade heads and shoudlers for my HQ and command squad, etc. Is there any third party sellers that sell good approximations or, better yet, a cheaper way to kitbash/convert? Kromlech's jetbikes look good, and not like dildos, for $2 cheaper than my recaster. Anyone point me in a good direction?

2. Anyone got that image of the sister of silence using the transport as a strap on?

>>51824728
And thanks to Siegmarines, they're a cheap army to play too!

>>51824672
That could work, yeah. Lets you cover more of the board too.

>>51824791
fuck, even buying the BoP ones off ebay, a 500pt allied detachment is about 20 quid
its bananas!

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>>51824792

How does this look?


HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield and Paragon Spear 255pt

Elite: Legio Custodes Hetaeron Squad of 5 w/ 2 Praesidium Shields, 2 Paragon Blades, and 2 Solerite Gauntlets 420pt

Dedicated Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav-Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 3 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Teleport Transponders 190pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 3 w/ Teleport Transponders 180pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 3 w/ Teleport Transponders 180pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 3 w/ Teleport Transponders 180pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank 195pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank 195pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought 250pt

Total = 2500pt

>>51824728
>Cuckstodes
This backwards meme needs to end. They would be bullstodes and everyone else would be the cucks.

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“That is your son, Lorgar. That is Argel Tal.’
A peal of thunder roared from the Eternity Gate itself, as another winged figure landed amidst the melee. Its wings were torn and stained, ragged with rips and the white feathers streaked by blood. Its armour was a shattered ruin of split steel and burnished gold, while its face was masked by a golden helm. The blade in its hands rippled with psychic flame, bright enough to sear the sight from a watcher’s eyes.
‘No,’ Lorgar managed to whisper.
‘And that is your brother,’ the daemon pressed.
‘Sanguinius, “Lord of Angels. This is how Argel Tal will die.”

>ywn die gloriously for the Primordial Truth and your genefather

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>>51824926
LOL no. Backstab.

>>51824865
Looks pretty reasonable, could be fun. Do report back once you've tried it a few times, theorycrafting is all good and well but it's good to get first-hand game reports & experience in these threads.

>>51824956

I really hate the gay moustache twirling evil shit which isn't relateable at all, I much prefer the idealistic religious belief for the Word Bearers instead of gay self interest

>>51824672
Why the hell BL gave to write book about Emperor to a guy who literally hate Emperor?

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>>51824785

I kept it for... scientific reasons.

>>51825015
Bowden doesn't hate the Emperor as far as I recall; just very critical of moves that everyone widely considered shitty of him.

>>51824961
Happily. I'm still collecting right now and have about 15 Custode models including the Tribune.

Have Macragge's Honour ever got out from the Warp? IIRC at the end of the comic book it pretty much got stuck inside the Warp.

Anything new about the Rangdan from Inferno?

>>51824424
>No.
Why?

>>51825251
3++, Reroll (in CC)

>>51825319
Nah, it's a 3++ reroll all the time.

>>51825342
Holy cow it's worse than I remember.

>>51825047
Many thanks anon...the transport isn't my thing, but fit girls and women in masks are.

>>51825049
>just very critical of moves that everyone widely considered shitty of him.
And is unable to reasonably justify them sensibly even in the pov of the Emperor himself.
He failed as a writer due to his own prejudices.

>>51825319
Isn't that good, though?

>>51825542
Maybe too good, given that he can be EW and W5

>>51825542

What you need to understand is that for the points cost it's too good.

>>51825558
And if they upped the price, you'd never see it, like plasma anything.
The only points cost you fuckers would accept is "Too Expensive to Field" and you know it.

The only other guy that plays HH around me spams the fuck out of artillery. IW that fills his elite slots with quad launchers and a detachment of Medusa's. What's a good way to dealing with this?

DA player BTW.

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Weird question, but is it possible to run a Custodes army with two attached Warhounds? I'm still trying to understand the ally matrix and such.

How do I go about this?

>>51825599

You don't fucking know me you fucking retard, don't chat shit about what I'd find reasonable or not you cock gobbling mongloid.

>>51825605
By the time you're talking Titans the force org kinda goes out the window, even in 30k. Especially TWO titans.

No one will play you in a normal game and tournaments typically ban Titans and their equals.

>>51820350
?

>>51825555
>>51825558
>cucking yourself out of good options on purpose
Is this where the cuckstode meme came from?

>>51820481
Pls give colorscheme nao.

Also fix your image sizes.

>>51825630
I just want to find a way to make a legal list to incorporate them. Maybe just a knight or two; I love their look.

>>51825391
Different anon, but you've got good taste
>My praetor may get a waifu.
>Both will share a love for topknots

>>51825658

>Wanting my friends and other opponents to enjoy playing against me in what is ultimately a fairly social game.

>>51825622
Put your dick where your mouth is then.
What is a "fair" price for the shield to you that doesn't put it out of reach of all comers lists or reduce their already low numbers further?
This reminds me of when 5e GKs came out, and people screeched that an army that numbered 18 models could hold their own against 3 times that, even without DKs to bolster them and no long range shooting.

>>51825685
Questoris Knights have an army list that you can ally in.

1d4chan tactics does some decent explanation of it, but I'd say you should READ THROUGH THE RULEBOOKS, especially the sections that explicitly discuss this (they're pretty clear already).

>>51824984
This. Erebus actually comes off as a really menacing dude in books where he's plotting against Kor Phaeron and vice-versa and/or just being a boss outside the HH books.

>>51825603
DSing melta skyslayers, javlins.

>>51825733
50pts

>>51825658
nah the 'cuckstode meme' was just one guy spamming it because he's butthurt that they're too OP in his opinion

>>51825898
>oh look, tfw I called it
Now why 50 points on infantry with poor shooting and, unless they are an elite, ap3 weapons?

>>51825847
He typically had 2-3 dreads with intercept camping his artillery, DSing won't really help there.

Don't feed the trolls, kids.

Has anyone seen rotor cannons work out for anybody? Playing with the idea of a rotor cannon gunline backing up an armored push in TS army.

>>51826371
You can get shred for them, right? That might help.

>>51824785
WSfag here, I'd say look into using regular bikes instead of jetbikes

They're great for sitting on objectives and chasing down weakened units, jobs you don't want your jetbikes doing. They're so expensive points wisw you wanna keep them hitting hard in key areas.

Even if it's just one or two bike squads it'll save you a bit in terms of money and points, and a vindicator is going to equally fuck up a jetbike or regular bike, so you may as well have a lot of cheap bikes than a few expensive ones.

>>51826040
That must be over 1000 points of stuff, maybe even 1500 points. Sounds like he has constructed himself a well protected artillery firebase so you have to dedicate the same amount of points to destroying it. Drop pod leviathans, deathstorms, melta termies. Overwhelm his firebase with glorious first legion astartes and show him what happens to those that turn their back on the emperor.

>>51825599
>>51825733
Anon, they cost about 50 points more than a Praetor and can successfully 1v1 most Primarchs and Scoria.

Shield Captains were a mistake balance-wise.

Honestly 3++ rerollable isn't that bad, you still take wounds 1/9 of the time. You could do that with Eldrad back to the 5th edition, that didn't made him invincible and nobody whined about it.

>>51826040
>>51826630
Dont forget that the intercept on dread comes with mandatory skyfire too, which means any droppod or non-skimmer deepstriker should be pretty damn safe.

A leviathan with a grav bombard is gonna murder the quad mortars, and a droppod with some vets tooting combimeltas should have a field day with squadrons of medusas.

>>51826371
They might do something in a list where you have a spare 100 points, it's what, 15 or 20 shots wounding on 5s with a re-roll?
The target most likely always gets to Save though.
If you make them Corvidae, if you don't move they can do 20 shots with a that re-roll on To Hit of 1.

I dunno, I'd love to run them myself because of fluff, and they're a cheap unit, and that amount of shots with a forced Wound re-roll will get through, but the Saves are easy to make.

I guess it's a cheap unit that forces Saves, if you keep them at range then they'll pick off a couple of dudes a turn just because of the amount of rolls they're forcing. At the points cost you could probably fit in in just for a fluff and a laugh, I'm certainly tempted.

>>51827000
But Eldrad wasn't T5

>>51825950
and obviously having no idea how cucking works.

>>51826619
One thing jetbikes have going for them that outirders don't is firepower. Scimitars come with heavy bolters, and I run squads of 6 with 2 volkite culverins. It puts out some serious hurt, and I have 4 squads of that. Vindicators don't concern me since nobody in my meta runs them, and besides, LA: White Scars makes me 3+ in ruins if I move enough anyway. I played around with having 2 outrider squads to be choppy, but in the end a choppy command squad serves me better in that regard.

And it's still a lot of bikes. Like 33 in total (forgot about the command squad in my first post). I'm going to play at least 1 more playtest game before I do anything (maybe swap gravspeeders with LC Javelins, for both the range and the outflank, but that's not for certain yet).

I appreciate your input as someone who plays that army already, but that's the direction I want to go in and from what I've played it works well enough. All that said I think I found my answer in mantic jetbikes, 4 for like 13 GBP and they look pretty sweet. Maybe need a little plasticard here and there.

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I wish there was a way for Custodes to have spears or weapons that acted as Power Gauntlets...I have a few Solarite Gauntlets going into my army and giant fists stand out strangely amongst spears.

Also finding right handed powerfists sucks. Thankfully I only need one left handed one that's going on the Vexilla.

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>>51827275
>Also finding right handed powerfists sucks.
???

shave off the "BAAL" and turn the blood drop into a proper oval gem and you're set

>>51827323
Oh I know, I already bought two I needed. The death company one and that; the issue is that there are so few right handed options versus left.

>>51823278
Right, got:
Legiones Astartes - Age of Darkness Army List - 45,569kb
Legiones Astartes - Age of Darkness Legions - 45,569kb
The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List - 157,373kb
The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign - 31,409kb

The top two are duplicated and the others seem outdated (going up to Book 3). Could someone please help me, I'll sacrifice a woodlouse in your name. I'm looking for the companion book to Age of Darkness Legions. The points cost of the Spartan is 295 in the books I have with:

Armoured Ceramite costing 20, Flare Shield costing 25, Auxilliary Drive costing 10.

>>51822203

Is that James Gandolfini's hand?

>>51827199
Fair enough, it's not like a pure jetbike army is bad, far from it in fact

the mantic jetbikes have a cool aesthetic. 1d4chan has a link to a blog post about converting jetbikes, but these are probably too small. For some reason 4chan thinks the link to tit is spam so here's the 1d4chan link instead, it's at the bottom of the page

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_%2830k%29

>>51827735
What makes a pure jet bike list good?

>>51827360
>>51827323

Sternguard have a generic one

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How fun is a trio of Knights to play? Tempted to pick up a Warden, Paladin, and Crusader to use in both 30k and 40k.

>>51825605

Why couldn't the Emprah beat the End of Empires?

>>51827506
Thank you HHG, I've found it. Now to build a list!

>>51827852
very

>>51828047
What legion?

>>51827275
What's the destroyed thing with the blue lights?

>>51827805
Having a massive swarm of T5 2+ units that move 12" and disregard terrain is pretty nice. Heavy bolters are also pretty good en masse on a relentless platform, too. And now you can even take sky slayers for anti tank if you absolutely want nothing but jetbikes. The only problem is they aren't that choppy, if you want to go the assault route.

>>51820184
So, I have a lore question: What was the fate of Field Officers in the Legions? We know that the Night Lords, World Eaters and Space wolves all had them thanks to Prospero, but we still don't know the fate of them. I know we can draw conclusions for the Night Lords and World Eaters, but I am curious as to what exactly happened to them. I ask, because I want to add some more Squad Leaders to my Loyalist Night Lords, painted in the Color Scheme of the Field Officers.

>>51828476
Field officers?

>>51828246
World Eaters, one day I want my marines to fight and die at the Eternity Gate. List sort of looks like the following in my head at 2500 and additional force organisation:

HQ
Kharn the Bloody (with Gorechild)
Gahlan Sulak

Elites:
3x Apothecaries

Troops
23 Assault Marines without Jetpacks

24 Assault Marines without Jetpacks

24 Assault Marines without Jetpacks

24 Assault Marines without Jetpacks

Heavy Support:
Spartan Assault Tank (with defensive gubbins)

Spartan Assault Tank (with defensive gubbins)

Spartan Assault Tank (with defensive gubbins)

Spartan Assault Tank (with defensive gubbins)

Tactics: Drive as fast as possible towards the enemy. Disgorge squads. Aim to kill as much as possible or die trying.

>>51828476
I have a feeling they wound up fusing with Chaplains.

>>51828487
Legion Commissars.

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>>51828487
Sorry, wrong term. I Meant to say Disciplinary Officer.

>>51828529
I think they were replaced with chaplains

>>51828524
Your list is all sorts of fucked up. Assualt marines without the backpacks are despoilers and come with a max of 20. You also have one to many spartans.

>>51828547
Do we have more SW fluff yet?

>>51828576
Thanks for the help anon, I'll go with Tacticals, buying the 2pt cc weapon and turn them into Chainaxes. With the forth Spartan gone, I guess I'll just put some Vet Sergeants in there with Powerfists and Melta Bombs and outkit the squads with more offensive gubbins.

Would be nice to incorporate some outflanking/scout/infiltrating guys in there to get into my opponents lines early and tie stuff up.

At 2500 can you use an additional or optional force organisation chart?

>>51828529
>>51828576
You see, that seems a bit odd to me, for a multitude of reasons, firstly being the idea that the NL or WE would even bother adapting to the idea of Chaplains. Neither were very spiritual, especially in the case of the Night Lords. Secondly, while I can imagine Angron removing the officers, I don't think Konrad would be so willing, considering his vengeance based nature. I would buy the idea that most Night Lords hated the Officers, and made sure that they died in "Accidents".

>>51828685
In 30k, Chaplains were only Spiritual with the Word Bearers and every legion had them after the WB introduced them through the Warrior Lodges or some other event, iirc. In old lore, and I think new lore(?), all traitor chaplains were killed due to their loyalty to the Emperor. The WB Chaplains were elevated to an even higher position than before, as they held the closest ties to the gods, other than the Posessed, whom were Daemons themselves, yet Astartes as well.

Whats the best way to outfit Sekhmet terminators? I'm guessing cataphractii armor on Telekenesis for 2+/3++, but what about force weapons? Give one of them a chainfist?

I'm finding it hard to theoretically deal with heavy armor values in shooting as I'm building up my list. I only have the castellax in combat that can take it on. Maybe some corvidae veterans with missile launchers? Pyro Sekhmet with combi-meltas and the melta beam power? Laser destroyers on the Spartan csrrying my khenatai death squad?

>>51828685
I imagine that not every legion had discipline officers. Space wolves and world eaters can be somewhat comparable pre primarch and the wolves had them in numbers.

As for the night lords I would think that curze would love them. What higher honor would there be for a night lord other than permission to go bat shit on another night lord for fucking up? Someone's got to pain those gauntlets red after all.

>>51828684
Glad to help. The number of models tacts give you is great but WEs have some units that would flay a blob of 20 tacts even with weaker numbers. If you're set on a high number of dudes I'd cut a squad and fit in a unit of inducti or something comparable. Also Spartans are usually kept to keep a high price unit safe, a 20 man tactical squad with extra ccw is around 265 point. The transport cost more than the unit in that case. I'd recommend a drop pod or a flyer for a blob.

>>51828880
1 in 5 should have chain fist. Get force axes for that sweet AP.

Combi plasma

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How does 30k Alliance setup work? How can I ally my Leviathan force of 3 Knights to some Custodes or Imperial Fists?

I don't really understand and need help.

>>51829282
you have primary detachment (CAD basically) of Fists or Custodes

then you have allied detachment of questoris knights

then thats it

General reminder that my space dad could beat up your space dad

>>51829472
My space dad is your space dad. So I agree.

>>51827079

The main reason why I was toying with the idea was in a theoretical list where I had to choose cheap obsec units, a support rotor squad might not be a bad idea compared to a plain tactical squad. Both would get shredded by artillery spam and a dedicated deep strike/flanking unit anyway - but if its infantry rushing the position, the rotor squad would have an extra 6" (barring bad LoS) to mince the fuckers before its morphin time.

In which case, is there really any difference between 24" str4 with FotL and 30" str3 5 shots w/ rerollable everythings?

>>51829282

I wish this fucking unit had been a marine one instead of Custodes, and minus all the ivy filigree. Would've been the perfect Knight sized unit for marines, larger than a Leviathan.

>>51824496
>I wonder what Guilliman's personal party van was like, and why he didn't commission another one built after the Heresy.
Because it survived and is still operational in 40k, just moth balled.

>>51829472
I'm a salamander, you dick.

>>51829720

>implying reptiles can surf the internet

>>51829806
He's not a robot, so yes

>>51829720
Your space dad's thing is getting killed so

>>51829472
My space dad is the dad of your dads though.

>>51829945
Fucking custodes

Can I assume that

WS = regular bikes / CC focused
DA = jetbikes / ranged focused

>>51829945
Well, MY space dad is your space dad's dad.
>Anatolia army list when

>>51829996

WS had jetbikes too

>>51830024
Shit.

>>51829945
Custodes were a mistake
>>51829996
And nah they both have access to the other kind of bikes and Dangles have some pretty sweet buffs to their swordsmanship

>>51829945
I don't have a space dad

>>51830282
So my space dad wins in the best way possible, by default!

>>51830336
I bet that's the only way your space dad can win.

>>51829472
My space dad beat up my other space dad.

>>51830252
>pretty sweet buffs to their swordsmanship
>+1 to hit if you have equal WS to your foe and are armed with a sword
I mean, it's something.

>>51825622

>Getting this mad on a Congolese Real Estate Bidding Forum

>>51823039
remove purity seals and extra bling, replace the whole left arm

>>51829583
Your not alone anon, probably gonna get on anyways and try to file away the ivy filigree(?) and and add it to my army anyways, may ally in minimal sisters or custodes for it or something.

i'm gonna laugh (cry) though when it cheaper than a leviathan dread and outperforms it on all levels though

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My space mom is cooler than any of your dads !

>>51830951
>i'm gonna laugh (cry) though when it cheaper than a leviathan dread and outperforms it on all levels though

If its like the rest of the custodes list then its gonna be a 500+pts superheavy walker.

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Deredeo proxy coming together
needs some more glazes to bring down the metallic on the front of the chassis

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>>51830252
>Dangles have some pretty sweet buffs to their swordsmanship
>+1 to WS if your model is using a sword
>Only if he's in combat with another models with the same WS, though
>Meaning your DA Praetor has literally no LA rule against an enemy SW or WE Praetor.
>-D3 VP if you didn't delete more units than your enemy. Yes, Militia Levies do count for that.
>Meanwhile the SW gain true +1WS for charging
>Along with base Counter attack, +1" to Run and Consolidation, pseudo Night Vision and Acute Senses
>And exclusive WTs. Who gives a fuck about The First, it's the Wolftime now
>Also get PE out of the ass
>Their """d o w n s i d e s""" are """forced""" Sweeps (that you can't really say no to begin with) and """compulsory""" Despoiler squads with access to 5pts power weapons
>The Wolves get effectively 2.5 LA rules while the DA get no shit at times, plus -D3VP
What was our opinion on the wolves, again?

>>51831032
Wait, did FW not realize that sweeping is mandatory?

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>>51831022
and my veteran squad got their first little bit of paint, still a lot to do with these guys, as with the dorito

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>>51831049
IDK, all legions have a downside to their LA rule. Can you point it out for me?
And no, Grey Slayers are fine, and the SoH wishes they had those, considering THEY are the Despoiler legion.

>>51831085
>SoH wishes they had those

If as in a replacements for reavers at this point, then yes, they would be fine
But I don't mind having tactical squads/Vet tacs as troops

>When are Reavers getting buffed/how do we fix them to make them actually usable

>>51831120
What's so bad about Reavers?

>>51831179
>>51831120
Eh, a few things, maybe. Their only gimmick is to deepstrike and shoot plasma, like different-Support squads.
>135pts gets you 5 dudes who may buy a power weapon for the standard price of +10pts
>125pts gets you 10 dudes who may buy a power weapon at the discount price of +5pts
>Reavers are Fast Attack, Grey Slayers can Run/shoot and charge
>Reavers have +1 attack when compared to Grey Slayers
>Grey slayers have +10 Slayers at -10 pts when compared to Reavers
>Additional Slayers cost 10pts, Reavers cost 15pts.

>>51831220
*+5 Slayers for -10 pts.

>>51831179
Reavers main comparison are Vet tacs and due to the price reduction and addition of combi weapons to vet tacs, reavers lost one of their main gimmicks.

Sure you could suite them up for melee, but they are filling a weird hybrid role between vets and assault marines and unfortunately are arguably to expensive to do either with any relative efficiency.

This isn't to say they don't have potential, but as noted, grey slayers can take power weapons for i believe at 5pts a piece compared to the full price of for reavers. they do get chain axes however at 1pt per model however....

Minus there Assassins eye (percsion shot/strike) rule and outflank, they really don't have much going for them that vets can't do better

>>51831220
You got the numbers, thanks

>>51824741
Yeah it's a bit over the top.

New fluff is that every primarch was given a Gloriana, but it wasn't exactly a class of ship because they didn't all look the same. I think BL meant for them to, but then FW made Perturabo's look more like a gigantic M41 battle barge.

The length of BFG battleships was already pretty silly. Now they've gone too far!

>>51831120
>how do we fix them to make them actually usable

Jump packs as stock equipment instead of optional.

>>51831325
Nah, that'd mess up with Rhinos and the whole Despoiler idea
Maybe fix their price. 120pts for the squad (vets are 100pts), +10pts for additional dude, power weapons at 5 or 7pts.

>>51831220
>>51831276
How about Volkites and Chainaxes?

>>51825105
In old fluff, the Ultramarines have the Macragge's Honour in M41. So... it probably got back home somehow.

>>51825444
I think the thing to remember is that the Emperor can come across however he wants to different people. When he's talking to Arkhan Land about Angron, he looks and sounds like a dispassionate scientist. When he talks to a Custodian Guard, he comes across all, "You guys are my real children, don't worry, I don't really love the Astartes." In a way, it's how all gods work - you see what you want to see in them.

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>>51831412
>In a way, it's how all gods work - you see what you want to see in them.
>Tfw I see the Emperor as an understanding-yet-manipulative well-intentioned Tyrant because that's what I want to see in Him.
We all like our headcanons.

>>51825685
The only legal way to run two titans would be with the Onslaught force organization chart. It's one of those "optional" ones that your opponent is supposed to agree to.

It requires 1 HQ (of 2 possible), 1 Troops (4 allowed), and 1 Heavy Support (of 4). You can take 4 Elites, 2 Fast Attack, and 2 Lords of War. There's a minor thing about not getting the first turn.

This assumes that the Talons of the Emperor army list gets to take titans as a Lord of War.

>>51831441
>Leto II

>>51831511
Pretty much. The OGE

>>51831406
You're already at 175 points for just 5.
290 for 10
405 for 15
jump packs are an extra 50 points flat

They're just to expensive to really justify and build that can't alpha some one

Now if you're not fighting marines and can get the drop/charge, start giggling as you barrel through whatever non MEQ/TEQ is in front of you

>>51828300
Drop pod on its side.

>>51831085
>And no, Grey Slayers are fine
Upgrades too cheap, imo, especially on top of being able to run and charge.

>>51831544
Yes.
As in, the whole "The SW's downside is that they have to use different units" is simply not a downside.

>>51822188
the cabal exists, which means you're wrong

Also it had a few good bits, like cataphractii terminators boarding through macro-cannon barrels to kill the gun crews.

>>51827275
The Prospero Tartaros termies have right and left handed fists, just cut a bit off where the shoulder pad is to make it fit.

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>>51822188
What's wrong with a comic about a boarding action?

>>51831668
Cataphractii without melee weapon and fucking boarding bridges trigger me

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>>51831668
>not posting the previous page, where he tells them to form "killblock formation"
it does manage to make a pretty page every now and then

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>>51831707
>boarding bridges trigger me
Those things existed, and the WE ships were even more brute, having giant harpoons. This is 30k, get used to it.
Also, what are you talking about? That guy totally had a power sword.
>>51831738
You made me go, copy and paste that image in a different folder, I hope you're happy.
Have some mag-locked boots.

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>>51831823
>Keep Chooming!

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>>51831854
>skREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeee

How do they even fix those ships after battle is beyond me

>>51831980
Mechanicum magic son.

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Test. Let's see how well this comes out.

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>>51831823
>I hope you're happy.
Very. Captain mersaror was an 11/10, would blow kor phaeron the fuck out with again

On the subject of the ship itself, it definitely makes it back at some point. Picture related.

>>51830949
>remove purity seals

Seals existed back then.

>extra bling

Blink existed very much back then.

>replace the whole left arm

Why? It's already separate from the shoulder down.

>>51820184
Is there any in lore instance of Iron Hands interacting with/fighting alongside White Scars?

Test List I'm fiddling with for RG Decap.

Main Detachment:

HQ:
Forge Lord (warlord) (335)
-Cataphractii, Cyber Familiar, Cortex Controller, Rad Grenades, Augry Scanner, Infravisor, Volkite Charger, Raven's Talons.
-4 Servo Automata, Launchers, Rad Missiles.

Alvarex Maun (145)
-Camo

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (305)
-extra x5, Combi-flamers x6, missile x2, marksmen, Drop Pod

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (185)
-Combi-Plasma x5, Drop Pod, Marksmen

Mor Deythan (170)
-Combi-Flamer x5

Breacher Squad (220)
-Graviton Gun x2

Tactical Squad (160)
-Drop Pod

Anvillus Dreadclaw (115)

Dark Fury Assault Squad (185)
-Artificer, Meltabomb

Legion Seeker Squad (255)
-extra x5

Leviathan Seige Dread (325)
-Grav Bombard, Claw, Phosphex Discharger, Ceramite

Allied Detachment: Mechanicus Tahgmata

Magos Dominus (140)
-Abeyant, Cyber Familiar, Machinator

Adsecularis (35)

Vultarax Stratos-Automata x2 (360)
-Blessed Autosimulacra
Forge lord is mostly personal taste, I'm not averse to dropping the servo-automata and using something else, his primary purpose is forward control for the vultarax since RG are mechanicum sworn brothers. Idea is to make heavy use of drop/infilitrate/outflank to neutralize threats before they can retaliate.

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>>51832072
>On the subject of the ship itself, it definitely makes it back at some point
I don't know why people think otherwise.
Marius Gage was on board, of course the damn thing will be back.
For the record, ships can change names and be christened in honour of other ships, though.
I'm more concerned about your pic.
>>51831980
They didn't fix it in 1 day, anon.

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>>51832061

Oh shit, it worked. And it looks good. Well, this is going to keep me in business for a while longer, if I can make sure that the quality carries over.

I said I'd invested in a portable scanner, and this is me testing it to see how well it works. With this, I won't even need to go to the University. The moment the book arrives on my doorstep I can be in action.

>>51832102
derp, list is for 3k, I'm under limit by about ~70 depending on what's removed or adjusted.

local meta does run AC and flare shields nearly everywhere. thankfully minimal typhons.

>>51832115
Wait, this is actually a photo of a physical copy?

>>51831823
The ultramarine boarding commander had a power sword, but the other cataphractii didn't
>boarding bridges are a thing
Please tell me you're joking

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>>51832126

Better. It's a Scan of Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero. A test of how well this portable scanner works. I give /tg/ only the best. And this means I can make Inferno as good a scan as possible.

>>51832096
Before Russ' bolt pistol fluff (a gift from Vulkan), there were no records of the SW fighting alongside the Sallies.
And at Gardinaal the IHs main force was supported by ECs, whom also brought jetbikes.

TL;DR: IDK, but it's alright.

>>51832142
Emperor's speed to you Scanon

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>>51832140
>Please tell me you're joking
Of course I am, anon. It's not as if any sane human EVER designed a ship that was a moving ram with artillery carriages and boarding devices.
That's absolutely fiction :^)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvus_(boarding_device)