Warhammer Fantasy General

>>51787025
Fuck! That was supposed to be best waifus*!

>>51787036
Gotta keep them damsels in line anon.

>>51787036
I'll beat it to your waifu any day of the week.

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No one puts out like Chaos girls.

>>51787123
>awesome model and rules
>hugely expensive

No thanks.

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>>51787025
>tfw you have to explain the bruises on your royal countenance to the ladies at court that you merely walked into your chamber door

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>>51787123
my heretic

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>>51787025
>Bretonnias makes for beat waifus edition.
>beat waifus

I heard they were culturally backward but this is ridiculous.

bretonnian units being showcased on twitch tv/sega

>>51787553
Dismounted Greatsword Squires, Demi god Grail Knights, Lance formations, Knight Errants and Questing Knights its fricken amazing!

So guys, I've found about about The Army Project.

I've seen some of their codex, and they seem solid. Anyone else here has playtested them?

The demonym for a person of Bretonnia isn't gender specific.

Male and female are both 'Bretonnian(s)'.

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Reminder that you will never play Climax's Warhammer Online.

>>51787534
It's just the style of the timeperiod.

>>51787670
That looks like runescape

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>>51787696
Well, it's from 2004.

>>51787670
That makes me sad. It was going for a better artstyle than the WoW one.

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>>51787830
True that. The role-playing elements and combat were also lifted straight from WFRP, judging from interviews with the developers.

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let's not get too nostalgic for a game that wasn't even released.

>thread dead because all the oldfags are sperging out in AoS threads
What's their endgame? Do they think if they bitch about it enough, their collected autism will spawn a chaos god of manbabbys that will shove that sigmarine sculpture up kirbys ass and force GW to bring back fantasy to the exact specifications of their nostalgia and headcanon? Jesus Christ, its not hard to avoid material you don't like

>>51788276
.... ok?

>>51788276
Grognards gonna grog.

>>51788276
>looking at AoS threads
I see the problem here.

>>51788276
Who says they have an endgame? Or even that they don't just want GW to burn?

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>>51788171
I can't help it. When I was a kid, I bought a computer and had my parents install a second phone line in sheer anticipation of this game. And it never came.

>>51787256
>striking a lady

This violates sacred chivalry!

>>51787036

> When your 6th edition army book has completely emasculated you as a Bretonnian and you take your frustrations out on your local Damsel.

>>51787696

Because that was the promotional material it was also probably considerably better looking than the final product as well.

>>51788577
>being a literal white knight
Did Bretonnians get a new unit I don't know anything about? As if

>>51788413
that sounds like quite a bummer, but when I think back on all the things I got hyped for as a kid/teenager, It's quite depressing.

just cheer up that now we get a flood of decent Warhammer vidya.

Anyone here getting Slambo?

>>51788769
It literally does break their code, though.

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>>51788702
>H-hey honey, how was the fight against the Empire?
>It was horrible, it was a fucking slaughter! We used blessings and everything, but nothing worked! We are nothing now!
>P-please, don't raise your voice like that, it scares the baby-
>Fuck the baby! And fuck you for not bringing me a better wine! What cheap swill...do you even know what I have to go through, you stupid bitch? I go out there every battle knowing that I'm just going to die! Merde, why can't you be a better spellcaster?! Are you fucking one of those Men-at-Arms you're always hanging around with?!
>P-please, just take off the gauntlet, merci, I'm sorry-
>I am going to make you sorry, by the fucking Lady!

>The Imperials are just trying to ignore the domestic abuse and are making off-color jokes about 'Bretonnian backwardness' to try and laugh it off.
>The Dwarves are putting 'striking a woman' in their grudges but aren't going to do anything about it.
>The High Elves are pitying the younger races for being so cruel, but are too arrogant to do anything.
>The Dark Elves are masturbating furiously.
>The Orcs and Goblins are worried and confused, like a dog that was told was going to be walked today but the Bretonnians are busy not-fighting.

>>51787568
>Dismounted Greatsword Squires

What? What is this? Tell me more. Last time Squires existed, they were longbow users. I still kind of want more elite archer units - are there going to be any of those?

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>>51789373
Have a blurry stream image
They're basically worse Empire greatswords, statswise, as might be expected.
Apparently there are some different peasant archer variants but those haven't been shown off yet

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>>51789555
Well, I'm glad of the variance at least, trips. I would have preferred some two-handed axe users, but in the end that's just a petty complaint. Now Bretonnia has some infantry units that might be able to hold in a fight, and that's good - and they don't look half bad, all things considered. Could be themed as dismounted Questing Knights.

I'll be excited for those elite archer units. Here's hoping Bretonnia gets well-rounded.

>>51789373

Read this post.

>>>/vg/168719257

But now the Brets have trebuchet that throws magic projectiles among other stuff.

>>51787025
Anybody know where I can get some Square based for Chaos Warriors? I've got some AoS models that I'd like to rebase, so I can play both games. So far I have 10 already on Squares, and a Exalted Hero on a Square base, along with two Sorcerers. What I need to rebase is 10 more warriors, 5 knights, a Chariot, a Daemon Prince converted from left over bits and a WM warjack, and hopefully I'll have a good start.

>>51789987
I'm not fully happy with everything - I wish there was more room for Bretonnian infighting, I feel that's something that's been missing from the fluff in a lot of ways - but all in all, it seems like good choices are being made.

>>51789555
Probably archers with fire. Maybe stakes. And then the one that costs unreasonable high that is a combination of both.

>>51789555

So, are you folks going to convert the new units that the Brets are going to get to the tabletop?

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>>51790020
Ever tried googling it?

>>51790243
I have, but most of the places I find are either over priced, or are ugly slabs of plastic.0i

>>51789987
also, bretonnia will have a chivalry bar, kinda like the grudge bar for the dwarfs.

>>51790020

Games Workshop still sell all the square/rectangular bases.

Some may be cheaper but you'll probably be talking about pennies.

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Would anyone have a problem with me using AoS models in my Warriors of Chaos army?

I'd like to use two of these as Sorcerers of Tzeentch and a Varanguard model as a Lord on Daemonic mount.

>>51790085

Some Hippo-gryph Knights would be cool but who plays Brets for the peasants? These new variations are needed to balance them in the vidya, I like them but I don't care enough for build any/buy historicals for them.

>>51791110

No one will have a problem but the Varanguards are way way out of scale, even for a Chaos Warrior. He may look a bit weird.

>>51791174
I haven't seen one in person yet but I was planning on using it as a Lord and putting him on a 50x50 base in a unit of Knights.

>>51791110
None sane, can't speak for the insane.

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>>51791215

It might work but he may be a squeeze even a 50mm.

>>51791110
As long they are the right style and scale it's perfectly fine with me.

>>51790041
>I wish there was more room for Bretonnian infighting

In the WFRP supplement on Bretonnia, it's often suggested that nobles back-stab in an effort to gain more land and power. Sometimes one noble will induce the peasant to rebel in a competing noble's province, for example.

Doesn't WHFRP 2e have a corruption mechanic? I could have sworn it did but a situation arose where I intended to apply it and looked through the books and couldn't find anything

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>2017
>still no Warhammer Fantasy CRPG

>>51791325
They'll also fight small wars over...well, anything, really. Lyonesse is famous for this, apparently.

Speaking of scale, does anyone have any of the Kairic Acolytes? I wanted to use them as Marauders with Mark of Tzeentch.

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This is sad

>>51792117
What's wrong with it? (besides being half a model mirrored, keeping the tradition!)

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>>51792214
Instead of paying omage to the old a la harry the hammer, they just lazily remade an old goofy model without any of the charm of the original for some quick sheckles, it's lazy.

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Speaking of good old Harry, there's a WIP mod for medieval 2 called Beginning of the End Times that's giving models to all sorts of characters from Warhammer Fantasy.

On one hand it's kinda the poor man's Total Warhammer, but on the other it's probably the most comprehensive Warhammer Fantasy game out there.

>>51792117
Who the fuck does GW get to paint their models for advertising? It's always the same hideous glossy pastels.

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Why do I worry so much about Total Warhammer getting Bretonnia wrong, when I'm not even sure what it would take to get them right?

>>51792545
The BB Dorfs' paint scheme is vomit-inducing.

>>51792726
Because I think we've all wanted to see the neglected Bretonnians get an expansion for so long now.

I'm trying to get my hands on the Archeon: Lord of Chaos book but the link in the pastebin isn't working and google isnt coming up with much, anyone have any ideas?

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>orcish skyships

call it a day, lads

civilisation is over

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>>51792545
in this case I believe it's a deliberate nod to the studio paintjob

It's a little better than the drybrush+ink wash of 'eavy metal classic, though

>>51794318
Where can I learn more about Oldhammer characters?

>>51794318
>If you could go back in time and do 1 thing what would it be?

I would go buy really cheap GW minis.

>>51794332
download old books
download old white dwarves
find an oldhammer forum and talk to grogs
meet a grog in the wild and ask him about oldhammer

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>>51794349
Pick me up some footknights while you're at it.

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>>51794349
>>51794396
>buy shares in GW
>refuse to let them cut funding for Warhammer Online

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>>51794396
honestly the real cost is the shields

I need to get 6 or so heater shields for some classic models, but just one of these sprues is silly pricey.

>>51794469
The one everyone here is into but was apparently never released or the shitty WoW version?

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>>51794485
The one that was never released, of course.

The one they did release is balls.

>>51794513
Hate to suggest something like this but what if they did and it was more shit than age of reckoning?

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>>51794263
It's probably not an orc skyship.
The bad moon and evil sun motifs are just one of Blanche's things that became attached to the orcs eventually.

I like those deer-dog mounts though. It's that kind of stuff that made me not mind the demigryphs.

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>>51794579
That doesn't seem possible from what I've read about it. It was basically WFRP Online. But I guess I should just assume it would have been shit for peace of mind.

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>>51792278

We already have a modernised Slambo though.

>>51794263

> Orcish skyships vs. Marienburg landships

Truly a battle of the ages.

>>51794332
There's no easy way except reading first to third edition sourcebooks. Luckily we have a complete collection in the thread.

>>51794697
And it looks much better than the lazy one

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>>51794665
I was following it for the longest time as well, and I was gutted when it was cancelled.

But looking back on it, I think it was inevitable. It was very ambitious. And ambitious games have a habit of disappointing.
I'm not saying I'm glad it was cancelled, but I think it's a mistake to assume it would have been as incredible as you imagine it could have been.

Does anyone know if Blight Knights would fit on 25mm bases as chosen?

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>>51795242
Yeah, some of the proposed features seemed like they were just doing it because they could. And they spent time on those superfluous things instead of developing the core game. Things like permanent injuries, seasonal weather conditions, seasonal animal populations, enemy armies laying sieges, etc. etc.

Man, just make a functioning game before you worry about all that shit.

So just what the hell is the deal with the Bloody Grail? Who is the Lady that bears it - does she even exist, considering she appears in dreams? Was this cup the one Malfleur claimed was the Grail, and does it predate her?

>>51794478
Get some Fireforge shields from a bit site?

>>51794665
Just looked a little more into it. I need that game now...

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Anyone here excited for the Nippon release?

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>>51795954
I almost feel like writing up a properly warhammery cathay supplement. None of this 'historical china + mythological units' shit. Proper weirdness.
Fat eunuch vampires, opium, celestial wizards with big wonky brass telescopes and strips of parchment nailed to people's foreheads.

Less Romance of the Three Kingdoms and more Big Trouble in Little China.

>>51796689

I always though of Nippon and Cathay as like the Empire, where 80% of its army is somewhat historical.

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>>51796799
Yeah. I've always found fan lists a bit dry though.
I suppose it's because the background is practically nonexistent (beyond 'historical china') and the art is just generic.

What they need is something specific - places, dates, culture, political structure, magic tradition and the like - and an artist to give it some life.

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>>51797042

Yeah they have a lot of potential and in an RPG setting the limits the sky.

I was thinking of picking up some of Warlords feudal Japan range for small skirmish games set in Warhammer, since the Empire and the East would hardly ever meet it's a good setting for smaller games.

Plus I don't want to paint like 100 spearmen and then have somebody say they won't play me because it's not an official army book.

>>51791174
>way way out of scale

This. Fuck GW for doing this. Was it really too hard to keep miniatures at more-or-less the same scale as the ones you made before?
I still like what they do with large monsters, but my infantry/cavalry/characters are 95% non-GW these days.

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>>51797042
I think there's a lot of things that you can take from historical China for an interesting setting, partially because there's so much shit that people just don't know about. Most of it will feel unique and exotic.

All you have to do is sprinkle some fantastical shit on top, and it'd be good. Like maybe having them make a deal with a dragon, who gave them enough of his vast knowledge in order to make sure their Emperor was always strong (thanks to magical training and artifacts, anyone who takes the throne is a strong spellcaster), and there's an exam system in place available to just about everyone with any magical aptitude, to help them learn to master one of the winds of magic, in essence giving them something similar to the Empire's College of Magic rather than like Bretonnia or Kislev. Maybe they've had some contact with High Elves, or at least some warring with Dark Elves.

>>51797255
>Was it really too hard to keep miniatures at more-or-less the same scale as the ones you made before?
It's probably intentional.
They did it with LotR to keep the lines separate. I imagine they decided to implement it subtly into AoS to encourage people to buy the new stuff rather than just stick with their old models.

>>51797209
I miss the old 6th edition Dogs of War list. That was so generic you could use it for just about anything and still be perfectly legal rules-wise.

>>51787025
Question, but can Lizard men dino's be raised from the dead?

>>51795280
They won't fit on 25s and they certainly won't rank up.

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>>51797407

>>51797414

Damn, that's a shame.

>>51797414

I suppose I could use them as Chaos Ogres with mark of Nurgle. They're a bit smaller but nobody really plays ET here.

How can I get involved in Fantasy? I play 40k and a little bit of AoS but I'd like to play as Dwarfs. I have the main rulebook, no army book though.

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>>51798084

You can get the army books off eBay for about 1/2 their retail price or slightly over if you want a like new one. Alternately in the thread comment you can download them.

Read the rules for moving, shooting and close combat and use these rules to play games with like one box of models until you get a grip of a the rules.

>>51796689
God, that sounds good. By all means get on that, I'd be happy to read!

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>>51798084
I assume you have other people to play 40k and AoS with - try seeing if you can find people to play WFB with, once you get an army book and an army together.

If there are no other players, see if you can make some - try to get another army (could be more dwarves, but another faction adds variety), and that way you can offer to play trial games with potential players, and later on will have some variety to what armies you can play. The only time I've gotten to play WFB so far was in one of those battles, and it cemented my love for Bretonnians and my desire to play them myself.

If neither of these options work for you, even if you try casting your net further afield from whatever gamestore you play at to other locations, you may have to just settle for vidya.

>>51798175
>>51798084

Whoops, when I said 'these' I was referring to that PDF. It's basically a skirmish game of WHFB.

>>51798202
Shame is that those who have fantasy armies have abandoned them in lieu of AoS and will shit on Fantasy when possible. Those who do play Fantasy are the stereotypical to a fault grognards who will fuck you into the dirt for dare asking to play a game of Fantasy.

I can get the Army Book easily enough as a lot of friends are selling of their stuff. An Army might be harder as I have heard I need about 2000pts to even play a proper game. Being an ausfag, GW is ruinously expensive.

>>51797897
I don't believe anyone would have a problem with you using the rules that they come with.

>>51798254

Well Dwarfs are a cheap army for Warhammer. Your average Dwarf is like the elite of other armies and they come in old boxes of 16 models that are cheapish by GW standards.

I think with Dwarfs you could easily get 2000 points for under £200 brand new. Probably significantly cheaper used.

I'm sad to hear people down under have adopted AoS. It's a mixed bag here but we still have plenty of Fantasy communities.

>>51798308
A box of Warriors and lower tier models are $55, while Ironbreakers, Longbeards ect are $70. Manageable but still an investment.

What would I need to start a Dwarven army in fantasy? And while AoS is being played here I can assure you it was DoA at my store and a lot of Fantasy players have left. It's only recently picked up due to concerted efforts by people in store. Of course I can't speak for anywhere else, just my store.

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>>51798371

> 55 Australian simoleons for a troops box.

Hory Sheet.

Are there any websites that give you 20% off like Waylands?

Like I say, Dwarf warriors are probably one of the cheapest money to points investments and you always need troops so a box or two of them will be in every list.

Same with cannons and organ guns, they'll be in nearly every list.

In my opinion Dwarf Lords are too expensive in the game, so either a runesmith or a than on an oathstone would be the way to go for a leader.

That should be near 500 to 600 points.

>>51798433
There might be a few discount places but they are few and far between. There aren't any for Fantasy that I know of.

Is 1000pts for Fantasy a good starting point? I usually do that for 40k. 1000pts then expand with certain units as necessary.

>>51798538

Yeah definitely, 1000 points is a small game but plenty of people will play it and as long as people use common sense, and leave the 300 Skaven slaves at home, it should be a good game.

>>51798575
I'll grab a hold of the army book and have a look. I had empire for AoS but I bought too much too quickly and they're a failed disappointment stored away in the dark.

I do so love the background for Fantasy, such a shame the AoS lore is utter tripe.

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So, what do you guys do for movement trays? I've only got three cases of the old GW movement packs left, and a very large army to tray left. Pic related.

>>51797407
Any race can be brought back as a zombie, and there was a story in the storm of magic book where the slaan brought back the ghosts of past lizardmen armies to fuck up chaos daemons
>>51796799
Even though much of the empire units are based on reality, and it has a very strong HRE vibe, it's still distinctly the empire. The empire feels fully immersed in the warhammer world, interaction with all the other races and fantastical elements to remind you this is a high magic world.
There's a whole series of fanbooks where the lore is literally just real world history or myths with the names changed. As in there are paragraphs of lore that are just Wikipedia articles with middle school levels of plagiarism editing. Zero immersion in the warhammer world whatsoever, to the point where they only interact with the other human factions. The times they do desire established factions, they ruin them to attempt to fit them into the historical copy pasta. you know it's bad when their estalia book has a Cortez expy wrecking the lizardmen in the exact same way real Cortez beat the aztecs. I'm seriously supposed to believe that the lizardmen were outmatched by mounted knights they've never experienced before, or that they were freightened by gunpowder. I also remember the guy telling me he changed a bunch of cool canon Cathay units because they weren't Chinese enough and it was offensive to Chinese culture

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>>51798860
>I remember the guy telling me he changed a bunch of cool canon Cathay units because they weren't Chinese enough and it was offensive to Chinese culture

But arguably the fact that they aren't Chinese enough is what makes them interesting! As much as I love the original creators of Warhammer for actually understanding the cultures they were working with, a one to one copy would be about as interesting as a history textbook - which would be great for me, I love history, but horrible for a fantasy setting and a wargame.

Besides, Cathay is not China, not just not!China. It's interacting with tons of fantastical races, even in what little canon lore it already has - ogres, Beastmen, the Chaos-worshiping Hung. It already has things in its own society which the real China could never have had. And I love the real China and its interesting history, and I can even understanding wanting to include the realities of Spain in Estalia because Spain can be cool, and I have my own problems with offending cultures - because I'm a Midwestern Amerifat, it's Native Americans - but you can't just stick to it like a crutch. You have to be brave enough to put yourself out there and things that people might not agree with, with any writing.

Gonna dump a small amount of Cathayan shit to make up for that rant, I got butthurt bad.

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>>51799587
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>>51788958
This.

Chivalry like a motherfucker.

>>51799665
Not to say it doesn't happen, but if you're a noble and terrorizing noblewomen and someone who takes the code seriously hears? You could feasibly end up dead.

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>>51799750
Yeah you know there'd be some too.

>>51787025

So guys, I'm up for a 3k point battle against High Elves, as Wood Elves

My list is the following:

Glade Lord on elven steed, with great weapon, hail of doom, helm of the hunt and talisman of preservation. 271

Spellweaver (4th), book of ashut and 5+ saving throw (lore of beasts) 320

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Glade Captain on Great stag, asrai spear, mr 3 talisman and enchanted shield 192

Shadowdancer with sword of striking 115

Spellsinger 2(lore of shadows) with dispel scroll 160

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30 Eternal guard with command and banner of discipline 405

15 glade guards with hagbane arrows 225

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3 Warhawk Riders 135

5 Treekin with champion 270

10 Wild Riders with full command and +1 M 305
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Treeman with strangleroots 245

Treeman with strangleroots 245

5 Waywatchers 100


The Glade lord will go into the Wild Riders, while the Captain will get into the Treekin unit.

Both mages will go into the Glade Guard bunker (which will be deployed into the free wood I tget)

The Shadowdancer will go into the Eternal guard to get rid of rank bonuses and the like.

I more or less know what my opponents usually plays, and I'm expecting at least one frostheart phoenix and at least 2 chariots.

>>51798860
>>51796689
One thing I think would be interesting for Cathay is if it was plagued by cults of Tzeentch. Unlike the barbaric north, where Khorne is the preferred Chaos deity, the courtly intrigue of Cathay lends itself to the manipulation of Tzeentch.

Another way to ensure Cathay is sufficiently Warhammer-like is to include races of the west with an eastern flavor. They already have goblins in the form of hobgoblins, and ogres are native to the east already, but elves, halflings and dwarfs aren't represented as far as I know.

>>51792726
Because they're an easy faction to get wrong.

>>51801378
What sort of things do you think are wrong for Bretonnia?

>>51794396
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/medieval/early-medieval-barons-wars

;)

>>51796689
I dunno, that sounds dangerously close to 7'th and 8'th edition fluff.

>>51792545
>not liking NMM

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>>51787670

Never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQvPQJ1_Dk

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How would you make halflings a more believable part of the setting instead of just a joke? You know, make them as fitting as elves and dwarfs are. I think a start would be to make them less cuddly looking, maybe drawing inspiration from 40k's ratlings. Pic is a somewhat extreme example, but you get the idea.

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>Those blood knights hiding behind greenskins

>>51802176
They need their own realm and their own agency in the world, something that makes them important, something that let's them interact with the other races.

>>51802222
>something that let's them interact with the other races

Perhaps a majority of halflings could live outside the Moot, with only the wealthy few living in their homeland. Halflings could exist in communities throughout the Empire which would put them in frequent contact with other races.

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>>51801088
>but elves, halflings and dwarfs aren't represented as far as I know.
I feel like it would have been mentioned - at least in passing - if there were any groups of dwarfs or elves in existence other than the various factions we know about. A random group of chinese elves appearing out of the blue would be a bit weird.
Halflings would make more sense but it would be hard to get them to fit in. They're very western looking. Would cathayan halflings look cathayan? There's no real reason for it.

On the other hand, we know that the high elves and dark elves are both in contact with Cathay.
Also according to Children of the Horned Rat, the Monkey King was openly trading with the Skaven and even had a Clan Eshin advisor in his court.

>>51802413
>I feel like it would have been mentioned - at least in passing - if there were any groups of dwarfs or elves in existence other than the various factions we know about.

What if pygmies are actually dwarfs?

>>51802222
They already have the Moot.
So the realm part is covered.

As for the interaction: Maybe making it more of a bread basket of the empire, with the resulting power. Both political and purely financial.

They also border Sylvania, so making them know a thing or two about keeping undead at bay would be fitting, I think.

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>>51802176
>How would you make halflings a more believable part of the setting instead of just a joke?
I, in all honesty, wouldn't, but I would start by emphasising characteristics like adaptability and the more inhuman perception of what's wrong and right to do: for the first I'd start off by describing the origins of the race citing a pair of variant subspecies of halflings over the world, from the hairy tree dwellers of the east to the bronze-skinned tribes of lustria with the main focus being the "recently" domesticated halflings of the moot, with the lazy middle class, a talented lower class and the adventurous "nobility", presenting a good ground for a race that could be considered valuable (or at least willing) to be part of social, economical, technological or colonial experiments.
Then I'd go with trying to integrate and enhance an opportunistic and egoistic mindset centered on gluttony and greed with a nod to their common ancestry to the ogres and the tropes developed through the years associated to what I call the shorter folks (hobbits, gnomes, kenders); in short that would translate to a generally rooted disdain for higher concepts like law and moral unless personally enforced in front of them (where the ogres are "might makes right" the halfling would be "the opportunity makes man a thief") and an appetite for all kinds of flesh.

they wouldn't end up with any exclusive niche, but the halflings aren't supposed to have one, they are a middle ground between other archetypes.

>>51787670
what was that supposed to be, how old is that?

>>51802697
WFRP but a MMO. It was cancelled sadly.

Bret stream! Whole lot of new shit, including Errant Wars, and Grail Guardians! Bunch of new mechanics

>>51802621
>where the ogres are "might makes right" the halfling would be "the opportunity makes man a thief"

I like it. If halflings live up to their criminal reputation, it goes a long way to making them grimmer and less comical.

>>51802413
>Also according to Children of the Horned Rat, the Monkey King was openly trading with the Skaven and even had a Clan Eshin advisor in his court.

Waaaaaaait, what page?

Worth pointing out too that, at least as of the Genevieve era, partial Tzeentch worship was legal in Cathat.

Posting all new units seen so far for Bretonnia in TW.

>Peasant Mob
>Peasant Archers with Fire arrows
>Peasant Archers with Poison Arrows (implied to be dung)
>Foot Squires
>Men at Arms with Swords
>Blessed Trebuchet(buckets of Holy Water)
>Royal Pegasus Knights
>Royal Hippogyph Knights
>Grail Guardians

Grail/Battle Pilgrims, Grail Reliquae, Questing Knights and Knights Errant are also in. Have not seen a Prophess of the Lady but Fay Enchantress is there.

Grail Knights are now immune to fatigue and have 20% damage resistance with extra damage to large units.

Green Knight is connected to chivalry and appears if you are chivalrous. If not, orc and goblin raids increase. Economy is based on peasants so having too many peasants in the army will decrease the economy. Errant Wars are also in.

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>>51803379
Page 36 (38 of the pdf), top right.

Between that, the tzeentch thing and this material that was cut from Night's Dark Masters, Cathay seems way more like an evil faction than a 'good' Empire analogue.

>>51803409
>Blessed Trebuchet
>buckets of Holy Water

Does this look as silly as it sounds?

>>51803668
Or it shows that there's some room for moral grey even on the matters of Chaos. Cathay isn't the first faction to assume, wrongly, that some manner of accord could be had with the skaven.

>>51803409
where did you get this info?

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>>51798789

I use laser cut MDF ones, they're pretty cheap and they come in any size you ask for.

>>51803760
No, it's just a Trebuchet that throws Holy Water instead of stones. I'm quite sure it will do more damage against Undead. We have not had a good look at it yet but the 28th of February will allow us to.

>>51803832
It's was on the pcgamer Twitch event where they showed off the Bretonnia campaign. All of these new units were worked in combination with Games Workshop so consider this Bretonnia's official update.

Peasant Mob is dirt cheap and are armed with Pitchforks. Morale is really crap which is no surprise. I can go through the other units if you wish.

>>51799829

I'm no expert at Wood Elves but I know a bit about High Elves. The repeater bolt-throwers will be the thing to watch. They'll be shooting the shit out of the tree men. With this in mind you might want to take another unit of 5 Waywatchers to machine hunting but that totally depends on his list, you said you knew what he was taking?

Looks good anyway, should be a fun match.

I hope your using those new plastic tree-kin and not the horrible metal ones.

>>51803919
no that's fine, knowing that its the pcgamer twitch is more than good enough.

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>>51801977

Kek, did Ansell save them all from the skip?

>>51803409

Pretty conservative update really.

All they've done is take existing units and rearm them with the exception of the Hippogryph Knights which are more of a sidestep from Pegasus. Seems pretty good, they've obviously wanted to avoid stepping on any toes.

Everyone seems to want foot Knights back though?

>>51804068
If I was to implement foot knights, I would have dishonored or banished knights who have to prove their worth to gain back their horses.

However, the Foot Squires seem to fit that role well enough as those training to be Knights.

Stats-wise put them as better than peasants but not as good as Empire Greatswords.

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>CA swooping in to save a faction from GW'S cold evil hands.
I'm crying right now. Bretonnia has been updated after so long!

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>>51803409
>>Peasant Archers with Poison Arrows (implied to be dung)
>>Blessed Trebuchet(buckets of Holy Water)

>>51801977
The prices are all in pounds; will they ship to Burgerland? There's actually some pretty neat stuff on that site - I could even try to get one of the old cannons for a great price.

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>>51803409
>Splitting the peasant archers into three different types instead of allowing one type to possibly have two upgrades, and actually throwing in a better archer unit (perhaps reviving Bertrand's Brigands, with a few generic versions)

Most of it is great, and even the bit about 'using pedants for warfare hurts the economy' is flavorful (even if I know I'm going to hate it because I need a strong backbone of infantry), but fuck. How can you make a stupid choice like that?

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>>51804231
CA swooped in and saved the whole damn setting from GW. I hope other quality devs follow their lead.

Is there any official art of female ogres?

What do female ogres look like?

>>51804671
we have an official miniature

they look like an ogre

>>51804760
Would you fug it?

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>>51797209

Literally just run them as empire?

Spearmen/guard = Ashigaru
Handgunners = matchlock ashigaru/samurai
Archers = Yumi samurai
Greatswords = Naginata/Nodachi samurai
Knights = samurai on horseback
Militia = peasants/ronin/gaijin mercenaries?

I feel like Empire can fill out and flavor a lot of historical 1500-1600 themed armies.Sengoku Japan being one of them.

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>>51796689

Kinda late but I just have to agree with this post. It's a constant thing in my mind when I start thinking of the less known places of the Warhammer world, that people either make them too bland and historical or they go full high fantasy. I loathe the idea of these places being like that insipid Araby fandex where the author just outright put Altair from Assassin's Creed as a unit, but I also fear that going the opposite way could turn Cathay into Mists of Pandaria tier crap.

>>51804982

Yeah you could do this but if I was going for a full 2000 pts army I would want Oni and Dragons and stuff that the Empire list struggles with.

>>51804200

This or just say their Barony is near one of the many mountainous regions and they're equipped to fight on foot.

Then have a 0-1 take on foot knights for each mounted knight regiment you have.

I have to say, if there was ever an army that deserved a shrine unit it was Bretonnia. Like the fragment of the true cross they should have had a baptism font pulled by two horses and a Fey Enchantress on the back.

>>51804200
I prefer your idea as well, if nothing else because there aren't really supposed to be squires like in the Empire or in historical times. A trainee knight is given a horse and made a Knight-Errant, and has to earn his worth with experience.

What is being a guy in armor with a two handed sword supposed to teach a potential knight, anyway?

>>51805215
I really agree with you here - there needs to be a balance. History on its own is bland, but going too far with wonky stuff just always feels like it's trying too hard.

Take 80% history and spread a generous 20% high fantasy on top - and take into account that this fictional place is going to develop differently than the historical place.

>>51803668
>Arab vampires have rules about interacting with pre-pubescent girls, and whether it extends to their husbands.

WELL GEE.

>>51805290
I mean the grail knights carried around by pilgrims are pretty much that.

>Wood elves have their own aesthetics and organization, with treepeople being the muscle of their armies while the actual elves were mobile light units.
>When GW finaly decides to update them after an eternity of neglect, they think it's a great idea to just turn them into generic High/Dark elf spearmen painted bronze/green

Years have passed and I still wonder, what did they mean by this?

Kinda makes me glad that Bretonnia got ignored in hindsight.

>>51804521
They did the same with Elven archers.

Even though changing ammunition has been a staple of Total War for ages.

Same goes for dismounting cavalry, which has been a thing since Empire, but is now just fucking gone.
I get that it's not as easy with the dismounting seeing as the mount itself often is a combatant in itself, but still.
They've taken some major steps backwards.

>>51805548
Soldiers cant dismount in the tabletop.

>>51805624
Half the shit you can do in the game isn't possible in the tabletop games man.

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>>51805548
Granted, with Empire it was only with Dragoons, and I can't really find anyone that says that they actually made good use of them, since they're not really ranged cavalry but they kind of make sucky infantry despite their mobility. And you could argue that Warhammer didn't really have rules for dismounting on the table, so why would they be in the game?

But the changing ammunition thing is just a low blow, and feels like something that is supposed to limit Bretonnia's ranged capacity rather than give them more options - especially with that added rule about using peasants hurting the economy. You're being encouraged to take at least two types of archers, if not also taking the normal peasant archers, but at the same time you can't take too many peasant units, so players may end up choosing to take only one. So you get less ranged units as a whole, and less flexibility.

>>51805504
You misread that, it says 'pre-menapausal.'

>>51805215
>>51805466

I wish Demigryphs had never become a thing. Them being the new icon of the Empire fucking ruined the faction to me, and I had already seen the mechanical horse years before.

>>51790639
Based chinaman on aliexpress.

Just search for base size and whatever.

Here's a thought: could you see Bretonnia making use of incendiaries heavily? It's distant from a crossbow or a gun, and not technically a missile weapon at all. I wonder if that would be a sufficient dodge for their rigid codes.

>>51805789

I really liked Demipgryphs, I think one unit ruining an entire faction is a bit strong.

>>51805892
Possibly? Rockets were very common in 18th century warfare, but they were laughably inaccurate, and they still required gunpowder. Might still be seen as somewhat cowardly or even too destructive.

>>51805671
They weren't great, but the fact that you could pack up your infantry to have it charge down fleeing units or distract a line so it could be crushed by a hail of bullets had its uses.

And as for the thing, Bretonnia is not SUPPOSED to bring huge armies of peasants outside of its realm. That's not how the country works, and the fact that it doesn't have professional soldiery outside of its noble class is something that they emphasize with this mechanic (Rather than just saying it is so).
Yes it limits flexibility, but so does not having any archers in the undead faction at all, not giving the dwarves cavalry at all, and theoretically so should the Wood elf/Treeman split.

>>51802581
Both of those are already hinted at throughout the lore, it's just never really expanded upon.

>>51805892
>Knights with flame throwers.

No.
But I kind of want it now.

>>51805976
>Both of those are already hinted at throughout the lore, it's just never really expanded upon.
Exapnding it would serve the purpose of making them less of a joke.

>>51805976
That's something I hadn't thought of, and will try taking advantage of next time I play Empire. I just tended to use them as slightly more flexible light cavalry, or against Native Americans with their preference for melee troops.

But back to Total War Warhammer - I get the mechanic's uses, but it still feels rather restrictive, and I think it would be clever to have some conscripted bandits to help work around the economic difficulties - if you were willing to trust them and pay the price for them, or something like that. And who says I'd be fighting with peasants outside the realm? Maybe I'm getting invaded by Orcs, so I'm mustering up as many peasants as possible to defend my lands - the effect, as far as it's been worded to me, applies to all armies, not just in other lands. It makes sense that Bretonnia wouldn't bring many peasants on a long campaign, but it shouldn't punish defending your lands with whatever you can get together.

>>51804981
-no

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>>51805962

I was neutral when Forgeworld released the first demigryph, then I was merely annoyed and disappointed when GW released them instead of updating the old knights on horse. But then the videogame came and they were front and centre in the publicity for it, and I realized Demigryphs were gonna be the Empire's "thing" from now on and I just had to accept it and move on.

I don't know what to tell you exactly. It's not as if I disliked all monstruous cavalry, but but I just feel like the Empire having these guys as their most potent force after individual heroes makes the Empire lose much of its charm, even with the normal knights technically still being there. I guess I share the same opinion as that one quote from 40k about the Rough Riders, a horse cavalry charge just clicks in a way no other act in war is able to.

I guess there's still Bretonnia, but it was the the full plate post-rennaisance armor cavalry that really catched my eye (not that the crusader still isn't great as well)

Also I know this point is pure opinion, but I think removing the wings of a griffon to make it a land creature completely ruins its aesthetics.

>>51806167
When you temporarily recruit an army to defend your lands, you're taking away the peasants from the field, and you're expected to dismiss the levy after the threat is over to bring home the harvest.

If you fight too long the harvest won't be brought home.
It makes perfect sense for a place without professional soldiery.

The question of whether its a good mechanic from a pure game play perspective is another one, and how it is to be balanced is a good question, because of course no other army gets punished economically for their armies except through the matter of upkeep.
So either they need to be able to recruit a fuckton of peasants relatively quickly (To make up for the fact that they have to constantly dismiss armies), they need to be able to ameliorate the mechanic, or they need to have some other benefit that makes up for it (A huge economic base to cripple, so that you can "save up" for war).

>>51806334
I completed two empire campaigns without ever recruiting demigryphs.

I just used the reiksguard, it just seemed like an obvious choice.
Then everyone told me that their only good unit was the demigryphs and I got confused, because the greatsword/reiksguard hammer and anvil used to break down what was left after I had rained down rockets on the enemies' faces seemed to work just fine.

>>51805538
To be honest, the older models weren't much different from High Elves or Dark Elves either.

>>51806409
Some people don't think a unit is good unless they're beating great weapon chosen 1v1

>>51805789
I think it's a working concept

knightly orders needed more fleshing tho

>>51806524
>80% of the fluff on Knightly orders is from the RPG

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Nice anon from /vg found Age of Reckoning comic scans.
https://mega.nz/#!vJpkSJZT!KAJzDHJkmPwDnIcS_LxWH7CtkATGmTu1dvFVlEo1hEo

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>>51806708

Nice.

> Dat Witch Elf rump.

>>51806755
Yeah, disappoiting how wrong they get that.

>>51805229

Have ogre maneater mercenaries as Oni? As for dragon, use a lord on a griffon's stats?

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>>51806708

>my son
>touching him in that way

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>>51806920

>>51803668
I think its less about them being evil and more them having more of a moral grey with chaos. As long as tzeentch worship stays within the realms of political manipulation and intrigue, and sorcery, it won't raise the same red flags any of the other gods have. You can have a totally normal and functioning tzeentch society, same can't be said about the other 3.

I always saw cathay as a human nation where they irony was that humans actually had little to do with their own fate, and almost everyone important is actually a vampire/tzeentch cultist/beastman/demigod dragon

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>>51807013

>>51805962
Also love demigryphs. it makes the empire feel like a nation that actually developed in a fantasy world and utilized the resources and creatures around them, not HRE transplanted into a fantasy world with a couple of wizards and a steam tank thrown in.
Besides, demigryph knights being important is a TW thing, even in end times lore they were almost never mentioned as being anything but rare

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>>51807159
I like how they provided an oppurtunity for a knightly order devoted to Taal, if nothing else. They were only fluffed out in a fan book, but I believe they exist at least in name lorewise.

>>51806920
GW doesn't like Slaanesh but incest is a-ok!

>>51806708
You think incest stops being weird after a few thousand years? I mean after all that time you'd stop thinking of your mother as the woman that birthed and nurtured you, especially if she was a 10/10 and also the only other person close to your age you can relate to

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>>51807189

Slaanesh is... problematic.

>>51807250
She is a chick with at least one dick. Isn't that what feminism is all about?

>>51807226
And she's been throwing hints at you since you were like 10.

Honestly though, compared to literally anything the Dark Elves are up to incest is almost blasé.

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Does anyone think FW will bring this beast back?

I have new hope since they repaired the Amon Sul mould.

>>51806708
>big fucking mole on her nose

how did she cope with it?

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>>51805892
>Bretonnia making use of incendiaries

Fire arrows and napalm throwing trebuchets are a thing but are you talking about the proper knights wielding oil coated swords, exploding flails and throwing holy flaming pomes? or even further with long ranged flamethrowers and unholy-purging-holy-waterguns?

I'm not sure they have the proper engineering for these things

>>51807631
Fire swords sounds cool tho!

>>51807226
There's another weird thing - elf aging. Morthai is able to completely ignore her own aging thanks to her Cauldron of Blood, and Malekith probably has some evil magic going on. But other sorceresses are apparently all old enough to need regular bathing in less perfect cauldrons to keep themselves young and beautiful.

And aging is just never gone into for High Elves, except for vaguely how long they live. So when do elves start getting old?

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> What's to stop be becoming a God?

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>>51807631
They could figure it out, with a little magical help...

>>51807439

>monogamous couple for thousands of years
>no mutual mutilation
>light umiliation play every now and then
>incest as only fetish
>that moment when you realize other DE think Malekith and Morathi to be stiff-neck conservatives

>>51807537
Or maybe it's a piercing?

>>51807829

That looks more Skaven than anything.

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Tchar'zanek > Archaon

>>51807905
Yeah, since he fails to destroy the world, it's clear he's bet-
oh wait.

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>>51807988
>End Times canon

>>51807905
what's the lore on this guy?

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>>51807895
The Bretonnians don't honestly seem to have much of a fire theme - they're supposed be all vaguely fae, and with lots of magic focusing on water and growing things.

But I wouldn't mind a kickass bombard or something with carcass shot. Since the shells explode and let fire fall everywhere, so it's a little more honorable than throwing a rock at someone, and I could see the Brets going 'well we put these on our ships, maybe we could take them off our ships and make use of them.' Or you could give it some magic effect so it just causes plants to rapidly grow, trapping the enemy in vines and branches.

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>>51808101
Champion of Tzeentch who invades the Empire with the Raven Host in the Age of Reckoning parallel timeline, where Archaon apparently never became Everchosen.

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>>51807988

>End Times

Back to Age of Sigmar with you.

>>51808200
>Since the shells explode and let fire fall everywhere, so it's a little more honorable than throwing a rock at someone
Sorry, I'm not following you.

>>51807293
Slaanesh is problematic because Chaos is the evil faction that ruins society.

>>51808322
And Slaanesh is all different types of sexual autism so it's problematic because She is on the bad dudes side!

>>51808272
Why does Archaon so shit? Is it just impossible to create a good Chaos champion?

>>51806920
Morathi used to canonically fuck her son's brains out. Incest is actually pretty common in the druchii.

>>51808372
>Is it just impossible to create a good Chaos champion?
The trick is not making them talk much.

>>51807905
Archaon is bland, uninteresting and kinda ruins what's cool about Chaos. So it's not hard to just have some other Chaos lord be more compelling than him.

Chaos is really more interesting as a faction that is always at strife with itself than just something that actually ends up destroying the world. Having an Everchosen in the contemporary time of the setting was a mistake.

Archaon had a cool model, though.

>>51808281
Well, they might survive the fire, or the fire might not fall on them. It's also less like the bolt thrower that killed Giles le Breton.

>>51808406
Yeah. Both Archaon and Abaddon works better as concepts than fully realised characters.

>>51806708
So far, I'm enjoying these comics. It's nice to look at the Warhammer world once and a while, instead of just read about it, and it humanizes the characters.

>>51807183
>Noble god of nature and mild places

>>51808426
Do chaos worshipers like Archaon? A lot of CSM HATE Abbadon.

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>>51808532
>About them, dread serenity swept through the carnage, bringing the Battle Eternal to a halt never witnessed before. Foes lowered their weapons. Banners drifted to the bloody ground. The din of battle died.

>‘I was one of you,’ Archaon called across the frozen silence, his voice carried on the shearing wind. ‘A puppet in a sick show– like this. Dancing for my dark masters. I dance no more. And neither should you. The gifts of the gods are no such thing. Let us not seek reward. Let us not ask for power. Let us not wait on that which is given. Let us take what is ours. Darkness is ours. Ruin is ours. The world turns beneath our feet for the taking. Real power resides not with gods or any following but with those who take it from them. I am Archaon, doom to my enemies, doom to all the world, doom to the gods invested in that world. Come with me. Why earn the treasures of Chaos when you can steal them? Why kill for Ruinous patrons when you can kill for yourself? Why sell your souls so cheaply, when you can make the worlds of gods and men pay for your miseries?

>‘I might be Chosen of the Dark Gods– but I did not choose them. I will be Everchosen of Chaos, whether the dread Powers and their daemons wish it for me or not. The legions of hell will be ours to command and we shall use them to demonstrate true power. The power to choose. To be or not to. To drag the sick perversity of this daemon-haunted existence kicking and screaming into a time of Ending. To end the world, the gods that torment it and ourselves. That is real power and I ask you to seize it with me. With he who is one of you: lost, damned even, but a slave to darkness no more. With Archaon…’

>The infernal fires of the collapsed gate blazed, like flames upon which gunpowder had been dashed. The balelight of the beyond burned ferociously at Archaon’s god-thwarting words. Archaon couldn’t tell whether the brilliance raged in warning or celebration of his wondrous achievement.

>>51808406
>>51808426
There's one character who turns to Chaos who's still compelling, though, and that's the author of Liber Chaotica. He turns to Chaos not because he wants to punish the weak, destroy the world or because he suffered a personal tragedy.

He recognizes that it's the fundamental substance of the universe and the realization is so horrifying that it breaks his mind. I think somebody like that could have been an interesting Everchosen.

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>>51808560
>‘Archaon!’ a voice boomed across the killing fields. A skull-axe thrust up at the sky, above the heads of countless warriors. It was Ograx the Great, the half-breed prince who was beast no more. The former bestial champion of the Blood God, whose army of manfiends had smashed through the havoc of the Battle Eternal, collecting before its example an ever growing vanguard of Chaos warriors. He knew precious few words in his master’s tongue but he knew the glory of his name. With his chest heaving, Ograx roared the warlord’s name to the storm-crashing heavens.

>‘Archaon, Archaon… Archaon!’ the daemonbreed chanted.

>‘Archaon!’
>‘Archaon!’
>‘Archaon!’

>Once more the battlefield rang with the thunder of his name, uttered like a dark oath from thousands of doom-lifted hearts. Warriors of Chaos, fighting for every Ruinous Power and daemonic master, united as one dark, apocalyptic force behind the dread syllables of his name.

>‘ARCHAON!’
>‘ARCHAON!’

>The warlord turned his daemon steed about to soak up the power and possibility of his intoxicating achievement. The ground trembled. The fires of hell roared forth from the gate of oblivion. Thunder tore through the sky and lightning shattered the gloom.

>‘ARCHAON!’

>He held up his battle axe, the steel blade of the Ruinous Star rising. He lifted it above the chanting thousands. The dark star of a Chaos undivided. United. As one. The chanting echoed to nothing on the chill air.

>‘Let us be the storm that rolls south!’ Archaon bellowed back at them, levelling his battle axe towards a world awaiting its end. It was all the monstrous horde needed to hear.

Short answer is yes, they like Archaon because he is one of the guys. He understands their struggle that is the Path to Glory. He isn't a demigod far removed from them.

>>51807809
Malekith is an extra crispy body, permanently suspended into a stasis armor

>So when do elves start getting old?
somewhere about 400 years, I think

>>51808560
He's so enlightened

>>51808600
As a whole I'd rather agree with that statement, but his bitterness about his servitude kinda sucks.

>>51808377
>Canonically fuck her son's brain out.

I believe you're talking bullshit anon.

>>51808874
The 6th and 7th edition Dark Elf books both say the following:
>Morathi is totally dedicated to her son, as he is to her, and though some would say their relationship is unnatural, between them they rule Naggaroth with an iron grip and bloodied sword.

The 5th edition book says:
>Of all the Dark Elves she alone holds any influence over the Witch King. For she is his mother, and, it is rumoured, his ancient and unholy lover also.

There's probably more evidence in some book or other. Bear in mind GW is not going to come straight out and say 'MALEKITH FUCKED HIS OWN MOTHER'. This is a family-friendly grimdark wargame after all.

>>51808272

> Atheism.

> Champion of the Chaos Gods.

Seems legit.

>>51808412

He was just bland to be a blank slate for people to use.

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>>51788927
Nah. Not a fan of Warriors. Too bulky.

If they make Lewdfang I might.

>>51791110
I use Scuttlings.

>>51794332
Old GW lore is spread between White Dwarf, Black Goblin, 1e-8e books plus the specialist games, the novels, and finally interviews with Ackland.

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>>51795954

>>51797438
Pants shat.

>>51808560

Archaon was our guy, he killed the Old World to take it away from the Chaos Gods (ie. Games Workshop).

>>51802176
They become a race of mercenaries, who get an insane wanderlust during their lives periodically. Mention Brets and Empire hiring them to fight wars against each other because the Emperor/King doesn't care if nonhumans fight nonhumans. High Elves and Dwarfs hire them in warbands and use them like hunting dogs or pigs to root out infestations of greenskins which Halflings are shockingly good at fighting. Make a Tomb King who finds them adorable and literally pays them to live near his oasis palace.

Basically give them purpose and reason to not just be in the Moot and fight for the Empire.

>>51809085
Though we know that Malus Darkblade screwed his sister into the dirt more than once.

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>>51804981
Carries a giant rolling pin made from a mast, has a Gnoblar in her cauldron like a purse dog. Has a fake beard to wear for some reason.

Since Ogres are notorious for being blundering idiots who never bathe the general answer is no. But Ogres can also be taught to be of Empire peasant intelligence, taught to bathe, and be taught to be gentle. Like the bodyguard/father figure from those Bret adventurer novels.

>>51808560
>>51808600
Where's this from?

>>51807848
>monogamous
>>incest as only fetish
Its like you don't know morathi at all...

>>51809085
Defenders of Ulthuan had her flirting with him.

>>51809641
ET books.

>>51809519
Archaon squatted TK and Brets?

Fuck 'im.

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I still can't get over that, while Bretonnia had the opportunity to take mercenaries opened up to them in ET, they never had any mercenaries themselves. And there's plenty of room for them!

Imagine a company of Knights of the Realm who were disgraced and now fight in other lands to regain their honor, or developed a taste for adventure beyond the borders of Bretonnia and got the king's permission to fight for foreign armies to protect Bretonnia abroad. Or some Knights-Errant that signed up with some Empire regiment to earn their spurs.

You could even just have peasant archers or men-at-arms that deserted or got sick of living under strict lords and tried to make a life for themselves elsewhere as mercenaries. A joke regiment, at least.

>>51809686

We all kinda' got squatted.

>>51809555
>give them purpose and reason to not just be in the Moot and fight for the Empire.

I've thought about this as well. What I came up with was the idea that the Moot is a province inhabited primarily by wealthy land-owning halflings and farmers who can pay the exorbitant rents. The vast majority of halflings live in downtrodden communities spread throughout the Empire and other human nations. Because only the worst professions are open to them many turn to crime and others become mercenaries, like in your scenario.

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>>51809764
>tfw Warhammer Fantasy is the first fantasy setting I ever got into
>gets squatted

>>51809831

Squatting used to be a pejorative term.

Sufficed to say, after recent GW decisions I'm glad they let us go.

The best thing that could happen is that FW pick us up as a specialist game.

>>51809731
Or just a questing knight. There's literally no rule that says all quests have to take place in Bretonnia.

>>51809851
>The best thing that could happen is that FW pick us up as a specialist game.

I could accept that.

My only concern is who's going to take over WFRP.

>>51809794

That's pretty much established lore, Moot land is very expensive and fertile. So some Halflings live in Averland and Stirland where they get paid half rates for their work.

Just like they Hobbit, they're seen as the best burglars there are. So if you need a thief they're the ones to see.

>>51809851
Some of the most recent GW changes have been for the better. It's just a shame GW was a shit company and never bothered to fix fantasy.

>>51809794
Basically intelligent Maneaters then.

You'd then need a reason for people to buy the models. People use Ogres for unit filler. Halflings probably aren't too suited for that, but if they were made and advertised in such a way that instead of buying a new box of ten more of something for $50 because you needed an odd number in your unit you could just buy an $8 Halfling mini...just make them in a few styles.
>Civilized army Halfling
>Savage army Halfling
>Chaos Halfling
>Elf Halfling
Let the colors used differentiate a Savage Halfling fighting for Night Goblins from one fighting for Ogres or Beastmen.

Fuck, I'd be tempted if Halflings for some reason built a settlement in the Warp and the Chaos Gods were like "Alright then, dibs on that one for a standard bearer!"

>>51809892
>Best solo thieves
>In a wargame

Basically they are nothing.

>>51809947

Well yeah. They were always more suited to the RPG setting.

A Halfling isn't going to do shit against a Dark Elf on a dragon is he?

Hence why they never had an army book and only a regiment. Nothing stopping someone from having an army since the Moot has a levy but they won't be taking on the world.

>>51788927
I already own the good remake, why would I buy the bad one?

>>51809851
Honestly, I wouldn't put it out of possibility. With shit like BFG, blood bowl and Epic coming back, it seems like a easy enough fux. All they'd need to do is have FW write a supplement where the Incarnates plan works, or some how Archaeon dies. I imagine a good point of divergence would be this:
>Horned Rat does not ally with Chaos, and instead, works against them, severly crippling Chaos' advance into the old world.
>Settera is able to defeat Nagash, with Mannfred betraying him.
>Tyrion uses widowmaker to kill Malekith, at the cost Alarielle dying. Some dark-elves flock to him, like Morathi, stick with him, while the High-Elves and Wood elves dispute his claim. Teclis now must live in exile, as his furious brother hunts him down.
>Grimgor goes on to fight Archaeon instead of Cathay.

All it would take is one book, and a little bit of support.

>>51809731
I think there was a rule when Dogs of War were a thing that forbade the Brets from taking any of them.

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>>51809892
The difference I'd propose is to make their presence greater in human nations as a whole, not just neighboring Averland and Stirland. Halfling districts would exist in most major cities for example.

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How lore friendly are the new Bretonnian units /tg/? Would Bretonnian Squires really fight in battle groups together?

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>>51810268

>>51810268
I think there's a small community in about every major city. If nothing else, they're in Marienburg and Nuln.

>Give the Old World over to FW
>Let them handle a new rulebook and new models for Fantasy

Give me a good reason why this wouldnt be fucking amazing

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>>51810476

I can't really.

> INB4 Forge World prices.

>>51810177

Or even better, just say the Storm of Chaos was what happened and it's currently the 2522 year.

>>51810451
In the actual canon, Bretonnians don't have squires. There used to be a unit called Squires, but those were specialized peasant archers.

Canonically, the moment that a Bretonnian male reaches manhood, he's going to be put on a horse, given some armor and a lance, and told that he's gotta prove himself - either through battle or some other great deed. That's where the Knights-Errant come from.

>>51809312
That's what generic Chaos lords as for.

>>51810020
Drown the dragon in Halflings. Riding giant hawks, the lowest and hungriest raptor.

Not like a Goblin would do much, afterall.

>>51810476
Prices.
That's it.

>>51806708
This scan is pretty low quality, I should scan my art book and comic book.

>tfw got the collectors edition for literally 10 dollars at a half priced books because they got a bunch that didn't sell

>>51810888
>Prices
Chinamen are your friend
They fight for freedom

>>51810948

For FW to do a good job of Fantasy we would actually have to buy the models from them to make it worth it.

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>>51810476
They can make good models and rules, but I've never seen them actually handle WFB fluff. They might be able to keep the setting going, but they might not know how to mix things up, if ever.

>>51810948

>game was literally killed off because of no sales

you deserved it

>>51810992

The one big book they did was good. Really fleshed out Nuln more.

To be honest it's the rules. The stuff they made for Fantasy was always rubbish rules wise.

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> That one image that makes you switch your colour scheme from Altdorf to Averheim.

>>51811208
Can you switch colors at all in Total Warhammer? It'd be a neat feature to include, even if you only get canon colors.

>>51810454
To expand their role in the setting.

>>51811414
Nope.
Mods let you play as other factions, but anyone under your control is in your faction color.

You could probably mod your scheme in though.

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>>51811017

You can't possibly be defending GW's pricing.

>>51810476
GW as a whole would just be better if it was run like forgeworld.

I'd say the prices are the downside but given GW's current prices, forgeworld starts to look reasonable by comparison.

>>51810613
>In the actual canon, Bretonnians don't have squires.
I could have sworn they had traditional squires but they were peasants. Wasn't there a few of them in the Bretonnian novels?

>>51813193
There might have been - I don't remember reading those novels, so I don't know - but they definitely do not have squires in the traditional sense of trainee knights, though I could understand why they might have peasant helpers to help with armor or to take care of the horses. Questing knights seem to have such a peasant helper in the stories.

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>>51809680
HUUURRR DURRR

>>51809641
It's from the Archaon novels. The second one.

>>51791448
Bump for answers

>>51813398
How big does his horns need to be, Sigmar be praised?!

They go from 'stupid huge, but it makes sense for over the top fantasy' to 'HOW DO YOU KEEP YOUR HEAD UP?!'

>>51812149
What killed me is how much of a fucking joke the 8e prices were.

Flamespyre Phoenix? Okay, $60 big monster centerpiece.
Lothern Skycutter? A $60 chariot? Fuck that.
Sisters of Avelorn/Shadow Warriors? $60 for ten fucking models who are monopose? FUCK THAT.

I got all that shit on eBay months later, half assembled, no more than $40 each. I bought the 8e rulebook, IoB, Heraldry, Alarielle and the Handmaiden but I drew the line at the rest.

>>51813552
They didn't want you to think Nagash was the main character of Warhammer.

>>51813552
Ugh....my head hurts!

I wonder why?

>>51812149

Pricing on some kits was obscene (Witch Elves) and on some others it was pretty good (most troops and heroes). Things is, they were generally better than 40K.

What fucked it was the move towards huge 50 men regiments. At 28mm you have to keep it at 30 at the max unless you're Warlord and you're selling 40 Hoplites for £20.

Should have been kept to 10 for elite units, 20 for human sized and 30 for Goblins, Skaven and other lesser creatures.

He's right though. If Fantasy gets another crack of the whip then people have got to buy from FW or GW to keep it alive.

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>>51814209
You'd think that GW would have the business savvy to know that very cheap troop boxes combined with a need for larger armies would create much better sales, as people would buy some units, realize they need more to be competitive, and then buy more, and they wouldn't feel bad about the expenditure because it feels small and worth their while.

>>51814237

Yeah it was just a total fuck up really. If you're selling hyper-detailed 28mm models in boxes of 10 then you can't ask people to buy them in double digits, it's just ridiculous.

As I say though the prices on them weren't that bad, state troops were cheaper than the current Imperial Guard guys, Dwarfs are £1 a model etc.

Just total mismanagement. Funny how Priestly left the year 8th edition came out.

>>51814209
$16 for a Finecast character was pretty obscene.

>>51814294

Well I can't speak for the US but most Fantasy characters are £11 here. At a super cheap retailer like Warlord or Mantic they'll be about £7 to £10.

Battlefront are probably even worse than GW. 5 10mm metal tanks for the same price as 10 space marines that come in 100 pieces.

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If anyone is interested in a west marches style game of Warhammer fantasy role play I am starting a game here:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/69826/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-west-marches#newtopic

I know the player count is low but I will increase it if there is a large amount of interest shown. It will be set in the border princes.

>>51814319
No, what I mean is that metal characters used to retail $14.99. Finecast went for $16.

Literally paying far more for far less.

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>>51814465

I mean... $1 is far more? I'm not saying they should have done it but I was more pissed off about the ridiculous special and rare boxes that went from £20 to £35 and you needed 3 to do anything in 8th.

>>51814516
Its $1 more, but for something completely cheap.

I mean, its one thing to jack up the cost year to year for inflation. But increasing the price and dropping the quality to what should be maybe $6 is just a joke.

I'd say far more for far less if plastic costing $9 went to $10 for paper.

>>51814516
I didn't mind it so much, eBay has always been my friend on that. The quality of writing is what really bothered me, we got very little good lore for anyone after 6e. Novels became far more focused on the character than setting, army books were mostly just restating the same information, and lore on what was added was threadbare and focused almost 100% on a named character.