Warhammer Fantasy General

>>51762095
Blanche is a really poor artist, in my opinion, but that picture isn't so bad.

How do I run WFRP2 to be more cheerful?

I need something like Ciaphas Cain, but for WFRP. Something that would turn all the bleak and danger into a little bit of blackish humour.

>>51762176

I love Blanche. I think if one man encapsulates the tone of Warhammer, it's him.

Sometimes another artist will reimagine one of his designs, and I'll prefer that, but Blanche always sets the right tone for them.

>>51762223
Wouldn't that fall onto your players? You set the bleak and dangerous world but they can try and play it off with a joke or an attitude that won't let the world get to them, at least on the surface.

I suppose you could use NPCs for the same job but I wouldn't recommend over doing it. Like a guy whose job it is to clear the gallows remarking that he wish it were him hanging from the rope so he could get away from his wife. Every once in a while so that the tone isn't completely dark or depressing, similar to how Law & Order: SVU injected its humour.

>>51762277
I think he's better at backgrounds, landscapes, etc, than people and monsters. Spoopy lands seems to agree with him better.

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>>51762176
Blanche's style is very distinct, and has two modes:

1: Classic early fantasy airbrushed on the side of a van

2: Legitimately looks like something Albrecht Dürer or Hieronymus Bosch (his two greatest influences) would draw.

He helped make Warhammer unique.


>>51762223
Watch go watch the first two seasons of Black Adder.

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>>51762391
>Wizard
Thats MacDeth!

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>>51762404

> MacWizard now.

>>51762331

Looking at his influences, he's really carved his own path.

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>>51762442
There is a documentary comming soon to Netflix called "Hieronymus Bosch, Touched by the Devil". If im not mistaken, this may be the one that has Blanche talking about him.

His little marginals along the edges and smattered around the 6thEd and mordheim rulebooks reall set it for me

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This is more focusing on 40k and the inspiration for his art, rather than the art itself, but it's still interesting to hear tidbits about how he works.

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>>51762575

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>>51762696
>>51762696

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Someone asked what a skaven city looks like.

Guys remember to join the fray! If we win, we get Vlad's Waifu for free!

https://www.makewarnotlove.com/

>>51762575
>Kurt Wilhelm, loyal friend and henchman. Will be greatly missed...
>Count Gruber welcomes his new henchman Kurt Wilhelm to his retinue.

Not sure what the 'Your End is Upon You' is about. Who are the 'Lords?'

>>51762677

> Edwardian Drawing board.

That's a posh name for a school desk, I had one like that.

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>>51762932
Sounds like it was an actual antique desk.

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>>51762677
>>51763016

NOW IN PDF FORM

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I'll have to reread the town cryer's, because they literally alluded to, and continued the in-world story from the "classifieds" in the next issue.

Back when GW gave a damn.

>>51762277
I feel like Blanche brings a fantastic classical look to the franchise. His distinct style and sometimes "off" perspectives of the battles gives it a feel similar to medieval art. And his hectic style also fits the 40k setti.g i just feel like his art is everything i like about 40k

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>>51763030
Oh fuck I have been made useless.

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>>51763230

You have not been made obsolete.

You have been given the means of your own ascension.

Go forth and spread the Word of Blanche in glorious PDF.

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>>51763251

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>all this blanche wanking

>>51763309

Who is this artist? Their style is neat.

Do you have any PDFs, interviews, or resources available on their own style of illustration or miniature design/painting that we might drink of their wisdom and become better hobbyists?

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>>51763309
Amen.

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>>51763309

> T. Jes Goodwin

how many of you guys are moving to kings of war?

>>51765418

Depends what you mean by 'moving'. I have KoW and I play it now and again but I just move between systems like KoW, 8th, 9th and some skirmish games.

>>51763343
unless I'm mistaken it's adrian smith

he's gud

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Fucking wew lads.

I like Blanche, but prefer Ackland.

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>>51763343
Here's the trinity of primary Warhammer artists.

>John Blanche
Oldhammer covers and White Dwarf. Created the "feel" of the setting. Soft blending colors, emphasis on contrasts.
>Tony Ackland
Sketchy insanity. Literally designed, and still holds the rights to, almost all of the original Warhammer designs including all the original Daemons. The modern Daemons are GW changing his designs just enough to call it their own, similar to how proxy companies like Raging Heroes "Mantis Warriors" AKA not-Daemonettes work legally.
>Adrian Smith
Detail work intensive, created pieces inspired by the previous two but upping realism and adding in a Frank Frazetta feel.

Pic related is an example of a Blanche.

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>>51766549
Here's an Ackland.

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>>51766556
Finally here's a Smith.

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>>51766567

Who's the guy who does these? There's usually a few in each of the 8th edition books. They always have this pastel wash to them. I quite like them.

>>51766589
Dave Gallagher.

>>51766549
>>51766556
>>51766567

Thank you for that. I do love the artists and try to emulate their styles or take inspiration from them for my own projects.

Of course, I work with AdMech in 40k rather than Fantasy, but I do love the artwork and especially love it when the artists work with the miniatures.

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>>51766589
Dave Gallagher.

Basically the guy who just draws the models, not the one who inspires them to be made.

He didn't set the tone to anything, but he's pretty important since he's been there since fucking third edition Fantasy I think.

>>51766567
I love the look of those picks. I love how Warhammer was never afraid to overuse slightly stupid or niche weaponry.

>>51762925
Chaos worshippers paying for paper space to shitpost

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I have wanted to get into fantasy for a long time but one sour experience ruined it for me.
>I was only about 11 or 12 and I went to an introductory fantasy event at a local game store with a friend since we were both interested in the game. There were about 12 people there and the event organizer (and owner of the store) said that it would be 2v2, 2 experienced players per team (some of whom seemed to live at the store) and 2 novices. The store had a few nicely painted armies to choose from and I chose the lizardmen and my friend chose chaos, we were pretty excited about being able to go head to head with these really well painted armies. Me and my friend got paired up with the owner and some other experienced guy who seemed to be a good friend of the owners. They said that the full painted armies were about 2500pts and we would only be playing 1000pts so we would have to make armies from the pieces. They gave us each a codex to use (the lizardman one was torn up with some sort of liquid stains all over it) and said "make your armies" without another word of advice. Me and my friend quickly realized that it would be me and him vs the owner and his friend, we didnt object (although we wanted to). Making the armies seemed fairly straight forward and we both came up with a little list, mine was lead by a skink priest (i like skinks) and my friends some sort of big demon (idk the name). We rolled some die and setup our pieces. "Dont worry we will go easy on you and teach you" the owner said before starting his first turn (i think they won priority or something, i think we also did channeling magic or something but it didnt matter). On the first turn the owner who was the Empire shot a cannon at my skink priest and killed him in one hit. "Thats why you have to put it in a squad and further away!" (i think I had the skink priest as a skirmisher).

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>>51766643
Sigmarine's go way back, huh?

>>51766647
The game went on like that until they won without any real loses, each time they made a move killing a unit they would say "thats why you dont do X". Not once did they give us advice as we were doing something, even when we asked a basic question they would keep it vague (unless it was a"what do I need to roll" question), they only gave us advice about "what not to do" after they punished us for making those mistakes. Overall it was miserable and I never went back to that hobby store. Me and my friend never played fantasy again, although we did get into 40k later. So I still have this sour taste in my mouth when I think of this game but I still really like the look of the lizardmen, are they a good army? Is fantasy worth getting into if I have no friends that play? (I have 3 hobby shops near me though). Whats a good starter lizardman army?
Thanks in advance /tg/

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>>51766622

Yeah he tends to just take the designs and do a nice clean representation of them. Still he's a venerable old name in Warhammer.

Also we should have added Jes Goodwin. Didn't he design most of the Elven stuff?

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>>51766648
Yep. I don't know enough about 40k to say for sure, but given that David only did art for existing models/characters and that piece long predates Blanche's Sigmarine concept art that Sigmarines are Oldhammer 40k.

I can't find a good list of Warhammer Fantasy artists, but there's a list of artists who have worked on 40k and basically everyone at GW pulls double duty.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Category:Artists

Also, this DG art is fucking amazing.

>>51766680

> Wearing plate armour on a ship.

I also like the one with the Nurgle Captain on, I think it was part of Sea of Blood.

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>>51766676
Goodwin had more direct design on models than the other GW artists, and worked on most factions in both Warhammers at one point. His actual art itself for supplements is pretty interchangeable with Blanche's and strangely enough tends to be of things that never got models at all. That may be why they avoid putting anything of his in anything.

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>>51766647
>>51766660
Sounds like he was trying to push you into making your own decisions instead of telling you what to do. It's much more rewarding when you come to an answer on your own, even if you did have a bit of prodding. Unless he was talking like a stereotypical neckbeard berating the casuals for daring to contemplate entering his beloved hobby, but somehow I doubt that. I'm disappointed that you let it get to you, sometimes a little failure goes a long way. I'm sure you and your friend would have had a lot of fun anyway. It was the same with me when I first got into the hobby, I had no idea what I was doing and me and my brother would basically make things up as we went along. Later on when I found a real group we learned the rules together.

>>51766680
I wasn't serious, just saying that Sigmarines can't even pull off their own golden warrior shtick.

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>>51766699
Dwarf and Elf ships are basically floating cities. Hell, its canon that the Elves of Cothique use cavalry charges aboard their ships and somehow use Silver Helms in boarding.

>>51766647

> Quitting a game after a loss.

I mean, not to be a dickhead but I think wargaming in general may not be for you.

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I feel like we need a good GW artist comparison chart. Using 40k since its a bit easier to find.

Anyone important missing?

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>>51766845
Paul Dainton, Karl Kopinski, Paul Bonner.

>>51766660
Me and my friend got into 40k after and we enjoyed it thoroughly.
>>51766771
It wasnt so much the loss, it was mostly the combination of not knowing the rules, them not explaining what any of the models do, them not pointing out if we could have done something additional/different, and the they seemed to be trying really hard, they both ganged up on the right side of the board (my side) first and swept our field.

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Who else?

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I think I like Ackland's art so much because its so damn grotesque. To me, THIS is Chaos. Not superhuge roidrage Darth Vaders, its insane and disturbing monsters that look like whatever mutated them is contagious and they'll be halfway through ripping you in half when you turn into one of them.

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>>51766980
This is a Warrior Of Chaos, not a warrior who worships Chaos.

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>>51766985

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>>51766995

>>51766985
>>51766995

I know the artist made sculpts of these. I was on the kickstarter for them. Still waiting on the Malice daemon, though.

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>>51766971
Geoff Taylor, Wayne England, Ian Miller.

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>>51766647
>>51766660
Thats fucking neckbeardy bullshit. I am sorry anon.

>>51766699
That was how it was done for thousands of years, and doesn't go away until the later 17thC IRL, when the proliferation of firearms phase it out in general.

Basically, warships had cannon and bows/guns to help clear the deck until the made contact, and then it was more conventional. Like two floating siege towers.

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>>51767081

>>51766647
I remember trying to get into Warhammer and early on here on /tg/ an anon posted a story about an epic That Guy that had a Nurgle army and smelled like a Plaguebearer who would cheat badly and leave an ungodly stink anywhere he went.

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>>51767132

What about this artist who does Forge World stuff?

>>51767151
Give me a name and I'll add them, don't know the extended artist roster myself. I only knew the ones on the top.

Actually, name a bunch and I'll make a bigger chart in like 20 hours. Then maybe do a Fantasy version.

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>>51766637
Gee, I even wonder where the name comes from.

>>51767151
>>51767161
That's Karl Kopinski, but he hasn't done any FW stuff in a while.

>>51767397
Who makes that digital garbage AoS art?

>>51767438
They've got quite a few freelancers handling all the AoS art. Can't remember any names, most of them are forgettable and interchangeable anyway.

>>51762176
I like Blanche's smear art better in black and white. It just looks like shit in colour.

>>51762850
No, that's some shitty goblin favela. Skaven cities look like Victorian slums.

>>51766676
Eldar stuff? Mate, he created the iconic Space Marine look. I'm not even mentioning his lesser creations like Skaven or Necrons.

>>51766549
I like all of them but Smith is my favorite.

>>51767010
Now THIS is Chaos.

>>51766567
It's not too obvious in that one, but has anyone noticed that Adrian has a habit of making his male characters look like Neanderthals? I think he sometimes over-renders the faces a bit, especially if they're meant to be barbarians or warriors.

He's kind of the opposite of David Gallagher in that regard. Dace's faces were getting over-simple to the point of cartoonishness in the mid-to-late 2000s.

>>51768408
*Dave's

>>51762176
I think Blanche is been better at ideas than execution, really. His properly rendered stuff had that 1970s-80s sword-and-sorcery style to it, but even then, he tended to have issues with perspective and proportions.

You could argue it's his thing, but it still doesn't change it.

>>51767875
Definitely. His modern pieces look cool in that out-there sort of way the first few times you see them in colour, and then you just start wishing he'd use colours other than red, yellow, brown, and reddy yellow-brown.

He sometimes does some surprisingly refined "splatter" pieces, but he's usually more oriented towards getting an idea across rather than presenting it in a polished way.

>>51768408
He sure doesn't try to make good looking faces. I remember some of his art in which human peasants or low-tier soldiers looked like zombies to me.

>>51766680
>Sea Monsters
>Flying machines
I have to play man o' war now.

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>>51766549
>no Karl

>>51768595
Play Dreadfleet

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>2017
>still no Warhammer Fantasy cRPG

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>>51766622
>Basically the guy who just draws the models, not the one who inspires them to be made.
>He didn't set the tone to anything

That's not fair, dude has some creative ideas.

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>>51769748

>>51769766
Why didn't they turn these sketches into Tzeentchian Blightkings? They had the perfect opportunity! WHY?

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Excellent thread!

Who's the artist that used to draw those excellent old school orks? A little bit cartoony. That era where orks wore trenchcoats and officer's caps. Kinda humerus.

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>>51769882
Paul Bonner and Mark Gibbons.
>big breasted elven heroes never

>>51769925
>>big breasted elven
>never
That's a good thing, though.

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>>51769925
>mfw seeing how some of the artists like Bonner and Smith have progressed rediculously while some just stagnated

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>>51769935
>implying they don't have large chests

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Looks like the WIP thread has gone, So here's my progress on my Stirland Greatswords

Freehanding is hard

>>51769955
As far as I can tell, no. It just seems to be a thing with this artist. Maybe Morathi, but I don't know if the description is compared to other elves or also to humans.

Is an Ulrican heretic who syncretizes Ulric with Khorne in his theological revelation too snowflakey?

>>51769925
>Paul Bonner

That's the one! Thanks!

>>51769977
Not bad, but I would fare the helms neck out a bit and get the left green and yellow bit under control

>>51769984
Not really. An ulrician who has some khornate vision of himself standing atop a pile of beastmen (slanneshi) while a booming voice from on high invites him to join him among the heavens could well be seen as a vision granted by ulric

What's the tier list for fantasy like now?

>>51770074
I don't know how to play tabletop RPG games or whatever, used to RP in mmos, but could I in the WHFRP game be some kind of outcast ex-Ulrican warrior priest heretic who is out pursuing his Ulrican-Khornate purpose of killing as a merc? Middenlander obviously, a cursory browse through the pdf says there's only Reikland Humans? Lame.

>>51769822
They used the shields and weapons for Kairic Acolytes.

>>51769952
Who stagnated?

>>51769978
Morathi, Sisters of Twilight, and Alarielle are busty, as are the WAR femElves. Kerillian isn't flat either.

In fact we haven't really seen a flat femElf.

>>51770422
In Fantasy it is what it was in 8e.

In T9A everyone is pretty even. You can put a few in High, probably Dwarfs and TK, but the redt are mid.

>>51769984
No, that probably happens a lot, actually.

I like the balancing work they did with 9th Age, but everything after - including nu-lore and nu-rules - that sucks, man.

>>51770454
WFRP 2e, vis a vis Sigmar's Heirs, has custom starting skills/talents for each province, you you could forgo the generic one for humans in Core and go with the Middenland one for your Ulrican.

You could easily do what you say you wanna, though the Old World is a deeply suspicious place, and PCs who get a whiff of Chaos will, on average, freak out and kill you, if only because they don't want to be turned over to the witch hunters.

Oh, and steer WELL clear of Kislevite hag witches, who can smell those touched by Chaos a mile off.

>>51771103
Nurules are trying to go back to 5e it seems.

I like the lore though.

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>>51771025
None of these strike me as really busty, they are certainly not japanese titty monsters, and nobody argues for flat elves.

>>51766567
"Bitch, we are FABULOUS!"

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>>51771124
>I like the lore though.

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>>51766549
>no jes goodwin

there's not much to say: it's john jes and smith


I'm also liking the new guy, but he still has to go before reaching the trinity of concept, design and execution

>>51771130
> nobody argues for flat elves
See >>51769935

The point is though they they are more TES Elves than D&D Elves.

>>51769925
>no fishnet
missed opportunity desu

>>51771147
That's not nice.

>>51771169
Ackland was the best. He created Warhammer Chaos, and every step away from his design was for the worse.

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>>51771219
There is a middleground between giant MILF tiddies and Edwin Abbott Abbotts "Flatlands".

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>>51771219
I wonder who's better in bed: Dunmer women or Druchii women?

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For what reason does khorne not have an aspect about telekinetically moving bones and skulls

Are High Elves the only faction in WHFB that are not very grim or dark?

>>51771345
Lizardmen.

>>51771345
fantasy apart from chaos and empire didn't really reach into the grimdark too deep.

no, dark elves are derpyedgy not grimdark.

>>51771363
Lizardmen are merciless agents of cosmic order. That's quite grim/dark.

>>51771280
Dunmer specialize in it, without needing to flay someone.

Druchii are more about dominance than pleasure. Biting an ear off, summoning a Daemonette and forcing it into chastity to watch, reacharound castration, gauntlet-grope mastectomy, and the good old fashioned "Your father/mother/brother/sister/our son/our daughter was better." style non-sexy and fucked up verbal abuse.

>>51768525
THE EXECUTION IS THE BEST PART YOU IDIOT

THE PERSPECTIVE ERRORS MAKE IT CLOSER TO EARLY RENAISSANCE ART AND THE WONKY ANATOMY MAKES IT GROTESQUE AND CHARACTERFUL

HIS ART IS THE MISSING LINK BETWEEN QUATTROCENTO ART AND CRUST PUNK ALBUM COVERS

>>51771330
Khorne was written so one dimensional for so long he is literally just about sitting on his throne and watching things fight, and making things for fighting with.

The fact he is battle tactics, industry, and just about anything else has been sidelined.

>>51771382
>fantasy apart from chaos and empire didn't really reach into the grimdark too deep.

Maybe not at the level of 40k, but most factions are flawed in a way that would make them seem despicable in more tame fantasy settings. Dwarfs aren't so bad in-universe, for example, but they're still xenophobes who believe in collective guilt to be repaid by force of arms. In another setting that could make them villains.

>>51771389
I see nothing grimdark about that.

>>51771389
Not to them.
Nor very grimdark.

Grimdark is THERE IS ONLY WAR, THERE IS NO GOOD, FIVE SECONDS TO MIDNIGHT. Anything else isn't.

>>51766432
Those guys made me just give the fuck up on 8th


I was already heading that way then the tk book came out.

>>51771417
>>51771418
ok here's the thing: they're genetically engineered predators designed for two things: serving the mage-priests, and war

they eat people and sacrifice the rest to their gods

their society is crumbling and the only way they have to save it is to murder more

>>51771491
So Aztecs.

Not seeing the grimdark here. They have magic laser weapons and the only complete knowledge of what is even happening to the degree they may have read army books.

Until ET, they were a mix of good and bad.

>>51771491
>serving the mage-priests
Okay.
>and war
As long as it is against the bad guys.
>they eat people and sacrifice the rest to their gods
... as long as it is the bad guys.
>their society is crumbling and the only way they have to save it is to murder more
That's just sad.

>>51771563
>that's just sad
which is a component of grimdark

also they don't understand their own technology

some temple-cities also have tons of lobotomized human slaves.

>against the bad guys
which means basically everyone except the high elves.

Like maybe they'll let you go if you fuck off from their lands or if the mage-priests tell them that if they kill you it'll fuck up the astral cosmic balance.
But in any other scenario they'll kill everything that ends up in Lustria.


Oh also they live in the WFB equivalent of a death world.

They're grimdark alright. Apart from the skink priests they don't even understand what the whole cosmic order thing is about and just do what the mage-priests tell them.

>>51771418
>THERE IS ONLY WAR, THERE IS NO GOOD, FIVE SECONDS TO MIDNIGHT
sums up lizardman society pretty well.
Do you think they have fun in their daily lives?
Fuck no all they do is toil, hunt and wage war. Even their art has a purely religious use. They're even more fanatical than the Imperium because unlike humans they're genetically programmed to follow the instructions of their gods.

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>>51767390
Don't be like that, I know that picks are a real thing and not just an embellishment to hammers. They're just usually not as large.

Are there any zoos in the old world?
If not, why? Think about ho awesome that would be.

>>51771792
there are
There's even a dragon (the only one that sides with humans) in the Altdorf zoo.

>>51771809
Great, now I can sleep well.

>>51771701
How is that grimdark?

You may as well call R2-D2 and C3-PO grimdark.

Being a robit from creation is not inherently bad.

Now when Lizardmen were lobotomizing Amazons as servants that was grimdark. But that is no longer canon.

>>51771792
The Great Zoo of Altdorf is the big name one. I think Nuln has a menagerie, too.

>>51771809
There's two.

Karl Franz has a dragon and Elspeth von Draken has one.

Also Norscans have dragons, and Cathay is ruled by one.

Any High Elf T9A players here?
Any advice on replicating armies and characters? I had Yvresse, Lothern, and Avelorn armies but am having a hard time making Yvresse and Avelorn work. It seems all High Elves are seafarers now and they have no access to nature magic.

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>>51769977
Thats better than most. Always room to grow, but would look fine on the table.

>>51769984
>>51770074
Sounds like a believable stepping-stone. Eventually, Ulric's wolves start showing up with red scales, and iron collars....

>>51771238
>He created Warhammer Chaos, and every step away from his design was for the worse.

I agree, though some of his designs are just not model friendly.

>>51771404
Martial prowess, gunpowder, pride... But for the purpose of wargamming, they just want MAIMKILLBURN flatness.

>>51771792
As mentioned, several. There are even scenarios about them in WHFRP, for acquiring monsters and such.

>>51772058
Those are the big ones, but many nobles have smaller menageries.

>>51772059
Cathays "dragon emperor" is not known to be a dragon. It is ambiguous

>>51772531
Earlier lore refers to a "Monkey Emperor," so presumably the Cathayan rulers are based on the Chinese zodiac.

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could a warhammer fantasy TV show work?

>>51772711
Well, Game of Thrones works, so it's possible.

You'd have a lot of work to do making elves, dwarfs, etc. believable though. Normally that's poison to a TV show, because it's incredibly expensive.

>>51772711
Only if 75% of the show takes place in the Old World

>>51772800
If it mostly concerned Chaos cults and the Empire - like a WFRP campaign - then you would only need the occasional elf, dwarf, orc or goblin.

>>51772049
>no longer canon
it is, though

>>51772505
I dunno, Pantheon Of Chaos translated his art pretty good.

>>51772654
>Cock Emperor
Had to be said.

Horse Emperor would be interesting.

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>>51772977

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>>51773132
I love the tail.

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>>51772711
>>51772800
Peter Dinklage paved the way.... Can he speak in a Scottish accent?

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Yo, I've been running a slightly customized version of the WHFRP 2e Lure of the Liche Lord module for my players for a bit now, and they seem to be having a blast with it despite most of them being rather new to the setting. But I'm curious as to other people's experience with/opinions of it. Anyone else tried it?

>>51773165
Anyone can learn an accent if the studio hires a coach and gives them two or three months.

American movies do it for fresh Brit talent.

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>>51772711
Someone give me WFRP: The TV Show by the guy who wrote Peaky Blinders and Taboo.
I need to see Altdorf dockers beating up cultists in back alleys.
I'm sure slaanesh would provide the required tits quota.

>>51772711
I'd prefer an animated series. Live action shows are cancer.

>>51773578
Adult animation can only really be comedy, real life like Persepolis and Waltz, or an art film.

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damn, elves be fine as fuck.

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>>51773833
Looks too human. Could stand to be skinnier with sharper features.

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>>51773833
They really are French.

>>51773602
Ultramarine wasn't a comedy. It looked awful, but it was still grimdark.

OH SO SOWWY BOMB PEARL HAWBA MISTA FRANZ, MUCH SKAVEN KAMIKAZE, MOSHI LYCHEE, HAHA.

Not sure why everyone brings up Pygmies but forgets this. Most anons don't even seem to be aware they made a Nippon range of stereotypes and white guys in samurai armor.

>>51773879
It was also a fan thing. Not a studio work for television or Netflix.

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>>51773833
>no black alien eyes
>not skinny
>not pale

First disappointing thing to come out of CA's Warhammer to be honest.

>>51773939
Only like three images ever showed black eyes.

Its an option, not the single color for tge entire race.

Also Wood Elves are generally darker in art than Dark Elves and Best Elves.

>>51773939
I'm alright with them not being super pale. They're outside a lot.

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>>51773992
Under an impenetrable canopy of leaves.

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>>51774031
With clearings.
Climbing said trees.

Based on Alsace Lorraine, pic related, a people known for being less pale the the folks of the coast.

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>>51774031
They do leave the forest, and Athel Loren and its sister forests don't have one giant canopy. There are glades and such.

Mordheim question, having some trouble finding an answer.

Say I've got a model armed with a pistol. He charges and enemy in close combat and fires. The combat goes on for three turns.

After he is out of combat, does he get to fire? Or does his 'reloading' only begin once he is freed up again?

>>51773939
>stand under the sunlight
>why isn't it pale.

>>51769748
>demon pelt headdress

I've never understood the vague parts of lore where they skin a daemon, or keep their claw or head as a trophy. Aren't they supposed to poof back into the warp when they're killed, not leave corpses to take trophies and pelts from?

>>51774547
Chaos lore works however the writer wants. Same rule as Elf numbers.

Chaos God stories are sequential with cause leading to effect despite time not existing in the Warp.
Daemons are made of magic and poof back to the Warp, but can have mortal children and leave remains.

>>51773165
So are you going to explain that pic, or just make us wonder?

>>51773207
Still takes two or three months, and you may also have to learn sounds not present in your native tongue.

For instance, English is one of the only (Germanic?) languages that still uses a th (as in the) sound. It's a pretty ancient sound from all the way back to Indian roots, that most other languages dropped, more or less. The W sound is similar.

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>>51774866
The one and only, Warwick Davies, at Bodium Castle Grand medieval Weekend, 2013. He is an avid historic reenactor.

Point is, him, Dinklage and another should do SOMETHING.

Grudge Match 1/5

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>>51775200
>Grudge Match 2/5

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>>51775218
>Grudge Match 3/5

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>>51775244
>>Grudge Match 4/5

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>>51773902
Because they were actually cool models.

>>51775259
>dwarves do the reasonable and smart thing, agreeing not to fight if they can't be sure why they are fighting
>book of grudges says no

What if the books themselves have become sentient because of so much emotion being poured into them?

>>51762223
Read the first couple of books in the Discworld series.

Especially stuff like Guards! Guards!

The descriptions of Ankh Morpork are largely transferable to Altdorf.

>>51775200
I just hope to see more of the Dink in general. Honestly he's a great actor and I don't want him to be typecast forever as 'Tyrion Lannister.'

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>>51775259
Sorry, had to help GF with groceries

>Grudge Match 5/5

>>51771238
>every step away from his design was for the worse
You should be stuffed and put into a museum as an exemplary grognard.

>>51774078
The name may be based on Alsace-Lorraine, but the similarities end there. Source: I'm from Strasbourg.

>>51775350
They were punished by Grimnir for forgetting the grudge and setting it aside without settling it.

Felix of Felix and Gotrek actually cuts the Gordian knot in a similar fashion once by breaking a shield some dwarfs are feuding over to pieces, resulting in both sides transferring the grudge to him (first, anyway).

They all end up dying unrelatedly.

>>51775593
But why do their ancestors place so much importance on the grudges? Especially as the comic later reveals it all started because of an insult that anyone else would have brushed off.

Sure, the things that followed were worthy of the feud, but now they'll never solve the grudge - even if there was a victor, the other side might claim that the grudge wasn't properly settled, or hold a grudge for their loss.

>>51775403
This is going to sound weird, but he's having trouble like a lot of dwarf actors. Technology has made their use in performance obsolete , with robotics taking their effect utility (Ala R2D2) and digital "shortface" making height a non issue (see: any dwarf in the LotR/Hobbit, the Dwarves from the latest snow white, etc)

Post some high-res WHFB artworks please, I need them for posters in my dorm room (Empire preferred, but gimme all you got senpaitachi)

>>51775648
>But why do their ancestors place so much importance on the grudges?

Probably for the same reason they consider oaths inviolate and hold that all debts incurred must be paid back.

>>51775673
I hate it. No matter what you think of the show, GoT has a LOT of great performances, but he stands out noticeably even then.

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>>51775648
They're stubborn to a fault, possibly on a genetic level. The Old Ones, or at least their servants, noticed that the dwarfs would rather sit in the mountains and craft than go outside. This creates a culture that's insular and has a big problem letting go of anything. Dwarfs also place a lot of pride on anything they do, specifically trades. If your grandpappy made the best beer in all the holds, was lauded for its taste and not making your stomach feel like it's full of foam, and some dickhead from another clan who after drinking a lot of it, most likely on the house, says it tastes like rat piss. You better believe a warrior/tradesman culture will see heads roll for insulting what could be a lifes work.

>>51775673
Dwarfs and Hobbits always looked like people but scaled down. They didn't have any of the proportions associated with those races.

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>>51775673
But shortface has its own problems.

>>51775778
The films looked fucking awful in general.

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>>51775778
But lets face it: If the LotR was made just a decade or two earlier, we wouldn't have the stage and computer tech to do that. It would have gone to dwarf actors.

Fun fact, John Rhys-Davies, who played Gimli, was the tallest actor in the cast of the fellowship.

>>51775820
Everyone, actors, director and crew, hated every minute of production.

>>51775266
Thise aren't Oriental Adventurers, they are Hobgoblins.

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>>51775867
I get that the time it was made was basically the best time for it, I just didn't like how shorter races were presented. Whenever they're on screen by themselves I can only see regular people. Manlets, maybe, but not short and stubby. You'd almost forget they were something other than human if you didn't see another actor with them.

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THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, WE'RE IN CHARGE HERE

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>still playing Return of Reckoning to get my Warhammer Fantasy fix even though I hate MMOs

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>>51775956
But WAR was terrible, even by MMO standards.

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>>51775982
That's how desperate I am. I am basically playing it to look at the pretty environments and creatures.

>>51775956
Total War: Warhammer is a good game :^)

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>>51775920
Oh, I know. I am arguing in favor of dwarf actors.

A good recent example is the recent Prince Caspian movie. The film might suck, but the actors were solid (pictured is Dinklage and Davis), and not afraid of fight scenes. I could see them rocking a Warhammer movie.

>>51775930
....Wow. I still have an original.

>>51776046
It is, but my PC recently started lagging and freezing when I try to play it. It never ran very well but now it doesn't run at all. I can only play less demanding shit, like WAR.

>>51776077
Warhammer dwarfs are very muscular. They would have to have convincing prosthetic muscles.

>>51775930
Damn, that's a good shoop.

>>51776077
All I remember of that movie was it had an accurate fight in plate armour. Basically nothing happens until they take their helmets off and then all the blows are aimed to the head.

>>51776102
Or get the actors to get SWOLE. But probably protthetics.

>>51776119
I don't think IRL dwarfs could achieve the level of muscularity needed.

>>51776082
I have a pretty high end computer, it does NOT like TWW for some reason.

>>51776082
You need an SSD to run it well, regardless of graphics quality.

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>>51776133
Same with some of the proportions, like fists bigger than human heads. They'd look kinda goofy on an actor, like the giant rubber feet in The Hobbit, unless they were really articulated.

>>51776082
Have you tried Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade

>>51776178
I guess they would have to make compromises for realism if they made a film and didn't use CGI.

>>51775982
it's basically just world of niggers with a thin coat of lead-based Warhammer paint

>>51776178
Dwarfs are basically built like chimpanzees that have evolved to walk upright.

>>51776207
At least world of niggers was a fun game, for a time. And exploring its vastness was one of the best parts. WAR instanced goddamn everything making the world feel incredibly small.

>>51775956
Play Vermintide.

>>51776102
>>51776119
>>51776133
>>51776178
>>51776202
>>51776222
A lot can be done with prosthetics, but no matter what, you'll need to compromise somewhere in the design to make it work on film.

>>51776119
That last fight scene was fucking awesome from a "holy shit, armour works and they are actually using a few documented techniques" view, but supposedly, the mass of viewers found it boring.

>>51776231
Seconding Vermintide. Holy fuck its fun and fluffy.

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>>51776207
This is what frustrates me about it. I followed Warhammer Online developments closely back when it was being made by Climax Group.

To think we could have had this instead not!WoW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQvPQJ1_Dk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiOgOygjsd8

>>51776280
So fluffy I'm gonna die. Kerillian being able to see the tower due to the magical nature of elves was great, while Kruber, Saltzspyre and Bardin could not.

>>51776286
I followed it for quite a while, too. I remember the last page they put out was of a man in full plate and for some reason they put the attention on his bulging codpiece. The project was taken from them shortly after that because they didn't get shit done. Still, they managed to get the atmosphere better than WAR. PS, hate Paul Barnett.

>>51776333
If Climax couldn't have finished the MMO, I wish they could have at least taken the assets and made a single player game like Morrowind. They really understood the atmosphere of Warhammer Fantasy, judging by the promotional material they released.

>>51766660
>are they a good army?
good, but not top-tier
>Is fantasy worth getting into if I have no friends that play?
Unlikely
>Whats a good starter lizardman army?
Can't help you there, would need more info on size, prefered playstyle and wether you want a fluffy army or to be THAT guy

Check this out (alongside their codex) jn case you have not
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer/Tactics/8th_Edition/Lizardmen

>>51775867
To be fair, the entire film was a mess of mistakes from the get-go. Maybe if it had been better planned, it would have been more enjoyable or they might have made a better trilogy.

But that sort of greenscreen stuff is disorienting, and lacks the depth that you can get with less spectacular but more rewarding effects that don't require a large amount of CGI. If they made a Warhammer movie, I would much rather them try to track down as many dwarfs to be dwarf characters (or act as stand ins for background dwarf characters) as they can than to try and do the green screen shit. Especially since the dwarves in the Hobbit just...kind of looked weird. A bunch of cartoonish ones and two or three barely dwarven looking ones.

>>51776420
IRL dwarfs would be better suited to Halflings, I'd say.

>>51776472
Yep, just need a fat suit or put on some weight.

>>51776286
>you could play Bretonnians
>you could play Old Worlders
>you could play Southlanders
>you could play Dwarfs
>you could play Wood Elves
>you could play High Elves
>you could play Halflings
>you could play Ogres
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8fXAcyrrh4

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>>51776505
>>you could play Bretonnians
>>you could play Ogres
>>cancelled

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>>51776542

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSNAwfdcJ8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29rJZpS7MM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Up3ubiwoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4BeKGb91qQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8CZhDn-cwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiUtV6o4HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LBzTSiwSY

>tfw living in the wrong timeline

>>51774866
>TheGrudgeIsSettled.png

>>51776082
If you are not in meme Windows 10, try Warhammer Mark of Chaos?, it plays similarly to Total Warhammer, and while not an amazing game, is better than a shitty MMO

>>51777023
>WFB once had a pub
>40k almost had a game show
>Both Warhammers had licensed heavy metal

>Then Kirby took over the company

>>51777023
I had this game years ago. I'm still loading my first battle.

>>51777282
He saved it, unfortunately.

Unfortunate that he had to save it, that is. Not unfortunate that it was saved.

>>51777333
>He saved it, unfortunately.

How? The impression I got was that it was hugely popular before he came along.

>>51777376
I'm thinking popularity and spending money on all sorts of crazy things isn't good for business.

>>51777498
It could have been. If they had actually gotten Climax to release that MMO, they could have had filled the WoW market before it emerged.

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>>51776812
The book of grudges has spoken!

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>dynamic weather system

Is it weird that Blanche added me as a friend on FB a week or so ago? Dude's awesome though for real. I guess he saw my models I posted in the Inquisitorium page. I love his art. My fav is def the hive spires he draws, they look so majestic.

Or any towers in-general.

>>51777746
>Is it weird that Blanche added me as a friend on FB a week or so ago?

That's awesome.

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>>51777746
Just try not to get too starstruck. You might be able to have some nice conversations with him.

>>51777746
Thats fucking awesome. If you're models are that good, you should share some pics here.

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>"Players can choose from over 100 careers to specialize, in each with their own skill tree and progression table. Even better, each profession is actually tuned to work within the world -- driving players to different regions and activities based on a preferred play style. The example the Warhammer Online team gave was the profession of ratcatcher. Unlike most MMOs, though, where killing rats is the newbie step to facing down bigger and more interesting monsters, becoming a ratcatcher in a particular town could very well fill up months of a player's time."
>ratcatcher
>career system
>Warhammer Online was going to WFRP Online
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/warhammer-online/515969p1.html

Goddamn it.

>>51776286

MAN..... I remember following this til it died. I was maybe 13 or 14.

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>>51778084
Man, me too. I was so fucking excited.

I don't know where things went wrong but I can't forgive them fucking this one up.

>>51777933

The models I shared were AoS Bloodreavers so I doubt they'd be welcome in this thread lol. I just wanted to paint up some barbarians, saw these dudes on sale for $15 and they ended up my first painted models in over a decade. Gotta work on my 6e Empire now though ugh, gonna be forever to repaint.

>>51777811
>>51777802

Dude is pretty chill. Posts his own models and artwork all the time

>>51778024
I miss when MMORPGs were like this. Having hundreds of careers to play in was a lot better than YOU ARE WARRIOR

Like I remember playing Star Wars Galaxies (at launch) and like, you could be literally whatever. Then in TOR just UGH WoW Clone.

>>51778024
https://youtu.be/yGOYjj2JCN0?t=48

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>>51778024
>dwarf
>common sense
>11

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>>51778484
>when a character is willing to let themselves die and even actively refuses the chance to live because of some greater reason

Always powerful.

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>>51778521
ye wanna go, elgi?

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Were there any other stories based around the barbarian tribes akin to pic related? Literally the best WHFB novel I've read besides Gotrek and Felix. I did read Blood for the Blood God but that's it. I am starting to collect a small skirmish-sized Chaos force to play Skirmish and Mordheim with.

>>51778521
>forcedelf.jpg
>tries talking shit

embarrassing

>>51777498
Actually Kirby managed to kill the stranglehold GW had on the miniatures market and made it a joke in PR.

Ansell was known for turning a negative into a positive. Kirby was the opposite.

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never ever

>>51779043
Don't worry, WFRP will be adapted to vidya someday, what with all the IP licensing. Someday.

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>>51779050
God I hope so.

>>51779065
Sadly only the holodeck from Star Trek could do it justice.

>>51779118
I would take a faithful isometric RPG adaptation, or a free roaming RPG provided its closer to Morrowind than Skyrim.

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>>51779148
So long as it allows more than one player. And bigger than my backyard. Or just limit the area to a single province at first rather than making the whole Empire tiny with a ten minute walk from Altdorf to Nuln.

>>51778936
I actually have no idea what Kirby did, but I can see how some business person could see what GW was doing before as needless expense. It's like...that woman who took over TSR for a while.

>>51779174
>limit the area to a single province at first rather than making the whole Empire tiny with a ten minute walk from Altdorf to Nuln.

This is what I would hope. Part of the reason why I might prefer an isometric adaptation is because it could include and overworld map like in Fallout 1 & 2, so the scale of the Old World is never reduced.

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>>51779204
Just one day I'd like to walk from Marienburg to Middenheim, to Altdorf, Nuln and Averheim and finally to Blackfire Pass and look up at the utter massiveness of it all. I don't want a hack story about YOU ARE THE HERO, I want a world that isn't traversed in ten minutes.

>>51779256
I hear you, but I fear Climax's Warhammer Online was our last shot at such a game. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we can get a game like you describe (that doesn't play like Skyrim).

>>51779043

Shit man. They nailed the aesthetic.

>>51779050

True. I mean damn there are a lot of WH vidyas out lately.

>>51779148
I honestly wouldn't mind a Fallout-style game myself.

>>51779187
Kirby inherited a company that ordered WAAAAY too many copies of German Gorkamorka, so he squatted all Specialist Games.

He also told them to increase the size of armies in all games, and told the creator of both Warhammers to piss off.

This is because he borrowed a shitload to buy GW, and needed to pay it off ASAP. The problem is his business decisions are everything we hate and mene about. They wrote a good article on it on 1d4.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Games_Workshop

>>51779295
>Fallout-style game

Which style, isometric or first person?

>>51779320
I think he means isometric, but with Fallout's style of combat and stats.

>>51779320
>>51779329

Isometric. Idk, I'd like to see it be like FO1 and 2 were. Large open world to traverse. Explore cities, sewers, dungeons, fortresses. Turn-based combat. Sieges, skirmishes, robberies, naval battles. Choose your race and career at the start. Throw in some special characters a la Gotrek and Felix. That'd be awesome.

I'd rather have a game in Witcher 3's vein, but with the Warhammer IP.

>>51779314

Yeah I heard about that too. But the version I had heard was that they bumped up the prices of everything in order to pay off using the LOTR name

regardless fuck kirby lol.

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>>51779578
>I'd like to see it be like FO1 and 2 were. Large open world to traverse. Explore cities, sewers, dungeons, fortresses. Turn-based combat. Sieges, skirmishes, robberies, naval battles. Choose your race and career at the start. Throw in some special characters a la Gotrek and Felix. That'd be awesome.

You read my mind, man.

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>>51779611
>Witcher 3
>Warhammer IP

>>51768263

I said ELVEN not Eldar.

His 4th edition Elven plastic archers still look good to this day and they're the same age as me.

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>>51767081

If you look in the Blood Bowl rulebook, it's dedicated to the memory of Wayne England.

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>>51768383

Now this is chariot racing!

>>51768595

Man O' War is a surprisingly good game.

What killed it is that the original models were fucking hideous and I mean without doubt the worst ship models I have ever seen.

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>>51769977
Nice. The models themselves are suburb and I think the freehand is pretty good.

I hate freehand as well, I tend to just paint it a light colour and draw the design on with a pencil and just colour it in with paint. Easier said than done but it helps to keep it symmetrical.

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>>51779940
And Dreadfleet had incredible models and art, but the game was horrible.

It's a fucking tragedy.

>>51780016
I have only one ship out of that, I lost the rest in a move because my roommate and his mom didn't send the package to the right address. Goddamn shame as they were lost with a bunch of other models.

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>>51773833

>>51775956

They still sell like 80% of the Fantasy range and the rules/lore is all free... just sayin'.

>>51780016

GW couldn't just rerelease manOwar or something similar could they.

>>51780297

This lol.

Also I am looking for a diorama that I can't find fucking ANYWHERE. It's called "The Branding of Dorghar" and has Archeron overlooking the branding of his giant mutant chaos pony. It was metal as hell, I remember seeing it in the giant catalogue I had as a kid but I can't find it anywhere.

Another diorama I can't seem to find is one of Imperial soldiers fighting chaos warriors on some big stairs.

>>51780354
I know which one you're talking about, I saw it in White Dwarf quite a while back, but all Dorghar comes up with is the monstrosity of AoS.

>>51780342

As per usual, Fantasy lost out.

The failure of Draedfleet was what made them go back to just releasing the old specialist games in a boxed game format.

Of course, by the time we got to this stage Fantasy had been relegated.

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>>51780297
I do find it surprising how much the community seems to have stagnated. Like, goddamn, you look back at threads during the End Times even towards the tail end, people were still posting their army lists and rapidly debating all the new and old lore. How could interest die so quickly when just about everything is still there? It's not as if the setting wasn't moving slowly before ET, and was as good as dead in some sense.

>>51780573

Well I'll say two things. I think Fantasy General over the past few months has livened up quite a bit.

I think there was a lull after the ET as people jumped ship and generally just moved around.

Another thing is that if you go on the army websites and the 9th Age forum, they're still very busy.

I think the Fantasy community has become much more stratified as was predicted when GW stopped supporting it.

>>51780460

Same. I google Branding of Dorghar and literally all I get are 100000 pics of AoS Archeron.

>>51780573
I do too. It was also pretty hard for me to convince some die-hard that his setting still existed and that you can't really destroy a fictional setting lol.

>>51775930

Holy shit this is true.

Slambo is back baby!

Is this them throwing us a bone?

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I'm not sure why they decided to make him Ogre sized. That's a 40mm size base.

>>51772711
A Mordheim one would.

>>51781456
Kind of would make for a nice, if a bit stiff, centerpiece model.

>I AM SLAMBO, FACE ME IF YOU DARE.

Or maybe a statue.

>>51781466

It's a shame he won't fit on a 25mm base or I could have used him as a Lord.

I guess there isn't much you can do with that pose.

>>51781456
Everything is on big bases now. Even those tzeentch cultists are on 32mm bases.
Basically, they've just sidelined practicality in exchange for aesthetics. I guess they've been doing that since the coven throne at least.

>>51781456
>I'm not sure why they decided to make him Ogre sized
Probably because he was remade for AoS, not WHFB. They've moved into a larger scale for AoS (I want to say 32 mm, since WHFB was 28mm), so a lot of the WHFB models they've carried over look smaller due to scale creep.

>>51776118
That's no shoop...

>>51771401
Counter: there's a very, very good reason why artists started focusing on accurate perspective during the Renaissance.

>THE WONKY ANATOMY MAKES IT GROTESQUE AND CHARACTERFUL

I can agree with that, to a point.

>>51781719
Not him, but early Renaissance art was still a little more hit and miss than later works. It's sort of like how there are early, middle, and late Gothic cathedrals, with the earlier ideas of pilgrimage style cathedrals being brought together and perfected or even increased over time.

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>>51781719
It's funny, neither John Blanche nor Ian Miller are very good draughtsmen in terms of anatomy, but they remain my absolute favourite artists and it's because of their failures rather than in spite of it.

Karl Kopinski, with his flawless perspective and musculature could never hope to conjure up the same surreal and grotesque landscapes. As an artist I find it impossible to emulate because I can't help but try to make it accurate and comprehensible. Bah.

On a related note:
>John Blanche designs a cool weird emaciated cultist dude.
>Sculptor makes the character SWOLE AS FUCK

Goddamn they would be so much better (and far more tzeentchian) if they were thin like the art.