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haha butte randall

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>>51713008
Cause his business should go down like a Liao lady boy hooker on a GI after getting a five dollar bill.

green bird and purple bird are my favorite factions

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Post Jihad, are Highlanders worth their points, or are they outclassed by most of their contemporaries in the category of Assault Mechs?

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>>51713561
>Question for the new thread: do we need to add links or something for the pastebin about this David Bills guy?

No, I don't thiiink so. Most of the info is in the infograph which I'll try to keep updated.

>>51713962
Depends on when. Fluff-wise, they're worth their weight in gold. There's less mechs in 3130 than there were in the darkest days of the 3rd Succession War. An assault of any kind with a big gun is invaluable.

BV-wise, many DA toys are overpriced fragile garbage, so you can still run some older machines competitively.

>>51713962
The 734 is sexy.

>>51713962
>Are Highlanders, the best mech ever, worth the points?
Hmm, let me think about that for awhile.
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Yes. I'm going to go with yes.

Ok, non-memetic answer, yeah Highlanders still stack up. Once you get deep into the Dark Age, they don't have many relevant e-war variants, but they've still got solid Jihad-era variants to fall back on. They aren't prime contenders, but you can't count them out either. Nice and solid, hard to fuck up a Highlander.

>>51713962
As >>51714119 noted, any kind of assault is a incredible gift in the DA, but it is slightly worse off, because there are also some stupidly good assault designs (gausswall quadrology, Hellstars ect) running around in the DA, and it can't stay up with them. But it's still an above-average design by DA standards

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>>51713962
Tactical question. What benefits does an ostscout have on the table? Okay it supposed to have some electronics gear, but it's not like it has a Beagle Active Probe or something, right? Is it just a one ML target?

>>51713962
>Post Jihad, are Highlanders worth their points, or are they outclassed by most of their contemporaries in the category of Assault Mechs?

I think the same goes pre-Jihad, mid-Jihad and post-Jihad. Highlanders are solid and have a fair old punch, overall they're decent but unexceptional. They're not Nightstars or Hellstars or Thunderhawks or Tomahawks, so they're not at the very top-tier. In anything other than a pure munchkin throw-down they'll do fine.

>>51714190
Jump fucking 7.

>>51714190
If you play with Quirks, they've got a bunch of electronic gear that does stuff.

If you don't, the base Ostscout is basically an 8/12 Medium Laser. The upgraded ones and the Star League Ostscouts are pretty solid though, lots of e-war gear like BAPs and TAGs and stuff.

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I turned a Panzer III into a Bulldog

Did I do good?

>>51714297
I thought it was 8/12/8J.
>>51714302
>If you play with Quirks, they've got a bunch of electronic gear that does stuff.

>If you don't, the base Ostscout is basically an 8/12 Medium Laser. The upgraded ones and the Star League Ostscouts are pretty solid though, lots of e-war gear like BAPs and TAGs and stuff.

Yeah I figured the 3025 version was just a fast target. Thanks, man. I'd rather have a Spider or Venom.

>>51714190

If it's a pick-up game where you're just fighting to the death then their use is limited. You can try to backstab and distract with them, but they won't last long if there are a lot of big mechs on the table. You might hear some tales like how a guy jumped an Ostscout behind an Awesome on the edge of a cliff and then pushed it off, but that sort of thing is a one-in-a-million event.

In scenarios, Ostscouts can be useful for anything where speed and mobility are assets, e.g if you need to scan targets, escape from the map, chase down trucks, or play cat-and-mouse for X turns, etc.

With EW then they're a highly mobile electronics package.

>>51714337
Is there any electronics during the 3025 time period that would disrupt enemy targeting computers?

>>51714330
Venoms are mid-50's machines.

But basically this >>51714337 Ostscouts are not meant for combat. Even every TRO entry has said this.

>>51714117
What twigged you on to this and started the investigation, anyhow?

>>51714329
That's pretty awesome anon.

>>51714401
We were bitching about how Dave is still doing his thing and someone posted the FB screenshot of Dave. Some of us noticed the "mutual friend: randall bills" line and were like ???????????????

I don't think anybody thought it would be anything, but here we are.

>>51714492
That's why I asked the question of: has anyone verified that it's actually a family link? Bills is a fairly common last name.

>>51714330
>I thought it was 8/12/8J.
It is, my bad. I have a bad habit of mentally categorizing things that jump by their TMM bracket instead of their actual jmp.

>>51714329
2/10 focal depth is wrong, unfuck your f-stop and try again.
Likely 10/10 model work though.

>>51714379
Nope.

>>51714521

>>51714075

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Is the Shogun extinct after the Jihad? And how as it as a mech?

>>51714380
>Ostscouts are not meant for combat. Even every TRO entry has said this.

If they aren't meant for combat, then they shouldn't have been statted out for use in a WAR game. The Ostscout entry is a waste of two perfectly good TRO pages that could have gone to giving the Capellans a less-shit Mech selection, because we damn well need it.

>>51714838
It was revived in the dark age as a diamond shark special, because so many people have the damn minis and no other way to use them

>>51714778

>>51714075
>Randall went into panic FB mode instead of just saying "what, no, fuck that guy"

What did he do, specifically?

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>>51714864

>If they aren't meant for combat, then they shouldn't have been statted out for use in a WAR game.

I assume you're not a fan of the weaponless Ostscout IIC then?

>>51714952
I'm a HUGE fan of the Ostscout IIC, mostly because it looks fantastically dopey.

So I've heard fans are able to write short stories for BT that'll be put on the main site. Is this true? Anyone here done it? Are the stories considered canon?

>>51714995

It also paved the way for most of the Dark Age and post Jihad Falcon Totem Mechs like the Onager with it's Partial Wing technology didn't it?

>>51713008
Send this shit to Topps and IWM

Fuck this shady cunt, he's been covering thing sup for at least the past 7 years, if not longer.

>>51714864
>because we damn well need it

Have you even looked at the plethora of everything post-Xen Sheng?

>>51715130
Honestly, I feel directly involving Topps in anything is a bad idea. If they get were they start acting on all unlicensed and fan minis than that's going to fucking suck. Corporate lawyers don't make any distinctions between those kinds o things. Besides, IWM holds all mini production rights so it should be totally in their court.

>>51714864

Not everyone plays simple fights to the death, anon. BT can be played with scenarios that have objectives other than killing everything on the other side.

>>51714890
Far as I can tell he's been fucking with his privacy settings to make it more difficult to see if a particular person is friends with him.

Instead of, you know, just unfriending Dave

>>51715126
>The FWL originally had zero intention of doing anything but wiping out the Spirit Cats. When the Cats took Marik with the help of unexpected Space Jew assistance, Jessica decided to let them camp there as a deterrent to others. Now the FWL basically leverages their clan troops as a strike force and gave them nominal representation as payment for that. With going to war first against Andurien and then Regulus directly afterward, they really didn't have a choice if they wanted to hold what was left of Marik Stewart against the Wolves.
>So in short, the clanners are tolerated more than encouraged.
>The Cats are also working with the Space Jews to keep their technical trumpcard and make themselves even more indispensable to the NuFWL.

I'm just saying that if I were the C-G, I'd be doing everything I could to get so much as a Clantech LRM factory on Atreus. If need be, invest in stuff in the Protectorate. Wouldn't like it, but there's too much other shit to do and frankly I'm pretty sure the FWL can culturally engulf a bunch of Clanners that don't even have iron wombs.

The Space Jews are more worrisome than the Spirit Cats by a long shot, but Delta Aimag iirc has gotten into tension with the rest of the Clan by being too involved with the Protectorate. So that might just solve itself.

And, from an OOC point of view, I think it perfectly fits the FWL to make the best of it and grow in power by making friends in a hard time instead of going REEEEE FUCK CLANNERS and killing them all and capturing a factory or something, at the cost of a bunch of FWL forces.

>>51715151

Isn't a lot of their Dark Age stuff bad?

If you want to get into BattleTech, you have to...pay the Bills

>>51715151

Not him, but most of them are meh light mechs, a batch of so-so new omnis, and a parade of Plasma Cannon gimmick versions of old mechs.

Of their good mechs: the best variants of the Thunder, Ti Tsang and Lao Hu are all mean close-in brawlers, but still not as good as a Penetrator. The Tian Zong is nice as a sniper, but in its era we're flooded with Clantech so it's not as badass as if it were back in 3067. The Pillager is a brute but every House has big Gauss Assaults of their own, and the Pillager isn't the best of them.

I'd put the Cappies just above the Dracs for mech selection, and beneath the Stronks.

>>51715362
No. Dual Gauss stealth monsters and high end lights with cool running clan ERPPC's are not bad.

>>51715362
It ranges from pretty good (Tian Zong) to fairly mediocre (the Vandal) to outright mechanically broken(Stalker II)
A lot of them are extremely role specific, like the Agrotera, Gun and Raven II.

>>51715207
If IWM gets involved, though, and goes after them -- then Topps will get involved, by having a summons or request for discovery appear on their door. That's a worse way to start.

But if CGL/Randall is going to sit on their heels and do nothing, well, it might be the only way.

>>51715369
but does mike noe?

>>51715126
>What technical trump card do the Cats really have? Did they have any mobile spacestations or factories? Or really any lower castes at all? I thought most of the Cats stuff was destroyed or taken, and their dudes killed or taken captive by the Combine. How much advanced gear could they even possess?

>>51715328
>The Cats are basically working in lockstep with the Sea Foxes. It's the Foxes that have the technical stuff.

They don't have too many lower classes, but they do have some plus Nova Cat refugees. That might be enough to start moving towards Clantech production if they put project leaders in charge of FWL construction, or work as experts for Irian or something.

Also, the FWL does have some native clantech production even without the Clan Protectorate (Kong Interstellar, I think, among others) so it's not that far-fetched for a modest boost in available expertise to have serious results.

To that add the way that Wendigos and Avalanches and stuff are widely available, so the FWL could have both the producers and the physical copies to work from for Nova Cat original stuff.

>>51715451
I gave CGL/Randall two days to respond and the only thing I got was a block.

An e-mail has already been sent to IWM.

>>51715439
>to outright mechanically broken(Stalker II)

Which is in the FWL TRO...

>>51715351
>I'd be doing everything I could to get so much as a Clantech LRM factory on Atreus.

I wouldn't build on Atreus. It's less than one jump from the Wolves and has changed hands no less than three times in the last decade. Somewhere a little closer to the Capellan border or the periphery would seem smarter to me.

>>51714117
>>51715130

If you really want to wreck this guy's shit, wouldn't the thing to do be to contact Harmony Gold and Palldium? It's not really BT's IP that he's infringing on, it's theirs.

And we all know how hard-core HG is about this stuff.

>>51715362

Not really. The stuff that comes out in 3145 for everyone is of broadly the same standard, which for the Suns and Capellans means a giant step backwards and for the FWL and Dracs a massive leap forwards in quality. But they've still also got pretty much everything from previous eras which still means the Suns and Caps have an extensive selection of gear and can use the older, better shit they have over the relative handful of actual lemons the 3145 stuff lumbers them with\.

>>51715486
Nice. While I doubt anything will actually happen, I can hope.

>>51715512
Well, sure, ideally I'd put it on Curaumilla or somewhere, just said Atreus to make it clearly distinct from the Clan Protectorate.

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>>51715505
So it is.
Huh.
No idea why I was convinced it was in the CCAF one.

>>51715532
>If you really want to wreck this guy's shit, wouldn't the thing to do be to contact Harmony Gold and Palldium?

I don't care about him, I just hope this can somehow be used to pry the IP away from Loren and Randall.

Which ain't gonna happen, but hey, anything that makes their life more difficult.

>>51715625
>I don't care about him, I just hope this can somehow be used to pry the IP away from Loren and Randall.
Who would it hypothetically go to?

How do we fix the stalker II?

>>51715644
Well the guy who discovered it said it was going to IWM.

Given that Topps apparently let them roll with embezzling almost a million dollars, I don't think this will push them over the edge, and I don't really want them to crack down on all BT fan community stuff. But it might be worth it.

>>51715532
>If you really want to wreck this guy's shit, wouldn't the thing to do be to contact Harmony Gold and Palldium? It's not really BT's IP that he's infringing on, it's theirs.
>And we all know how hard-core HG is about this stuff.

I'm trying to keep it in-house for now. In-house to the degree of BT-related license holders.

The end goal for me is for Randall to unfuck himself.

>>51715539
Given that Dave also copies IWM sculpts? Mike may very well give a very large fuck once he is in the noe

>>51715649
Give it arms, and don't put 4/5s in it.
>>51715669
I meant who would the IP go to if it was stripped from CGL?

>>51715649
>>51715697
Also give it normal fucking LRMs/fix ELRMs so they're ammo and not a different launcher.
Personally I like the MLs+TC.

>>51715697
>I meant who would the IP go to if it was stripped from CGL?

Depends on how much they're asking. Maybe we could crowdfund our collection of namefags to pick it up in a firesale.

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>>51715505
>>51715589

Isn't it sold to the Confederation?:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6515/stalker-ii-stk-9a

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For whomever asked for the Taurian art last thread.

>>51715720
Don't make me so erect.

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>>51715532

What about the 3145 Lyran one?

I heard a lot of their stuff like their King Crab is atrocious.

>>51715694

>The end goal for me is for Randall to unfuck himself.

If Randal is willing to forgive Coleman for stealing the better part of a million dollars from the company they co-owned, what are the odds he'll do anything about a family member who's not taking money out of his pocket?

HG is the one to go to with this since he's recasting the Unseen. They own those and have a vested interest in Palladium's RobotTech Tactics stuff being the only ones on the market.

>>51715779

Well, a lot of the good stuff they got earlier was to give to the Suns, so they benefitted heavily by association. Their old stuff is still there.

People bitch about stuff like the Tenshi or Carronade being better than other things in the 3145 TRs, but even then they still aren't TR: 3058/PP/RS: U levels of optimised for the factions that got the really good shit back then.

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>>51715826

>Tenshi

Now I've read that one repeatedly has some of the worst configurations of any Omnimech in the Combine and perhaps any Assault Omnimech.

>>51715974
It's okay, just way over-BV'ed for what you get.

Just noticed the autism over this David Bills guy.
Seriously? You live in a dream world if you think any of that plays towards legal trouble for CGL.
Even if he is related, you don't get sucked into court just because you're a relative of someone breaking the law.
The desperation and grasping at straws is real.

CGL isn't losing their battletech license, IWM isn't losing their miniatures license, PGI isn't losing their mechwarrior license.

>>51715727
Yeah, but it's not "their" mech.

>>51715649
Step 1 is to ditch the torso cockpit, but even then...

>Roll #1, (5 (Base piloting skill) + 1 (Hardened Armor) + 1 (20+ damage)); needs 7, rolls 6 : falls.

>>51716153
How come you've only shown up again when people are anti-CGL? Disappear to be a lazy fuck for months, now you're here at the exact same time... Did your masters tell you to quell dissent?

>>51715425
>implying that describes all their mechs in that TRO
>implying it even describes a majority
>implying you're not just that butthurt FedFag who comes here crying about the Atlas III being shit

>>51716153
>The desperation and grasping at straws is real.

Well yeah. Bear in mind that the people you're talking to represent the barrel-scrapings of the fanbase, the most disgruntled haters, grogs and shitposters you could find in anything BT related.

They aren't going to be convinced by reason. They'll just say you're a cuck, a shill and probably involved in whatever criminal conspiracy they've conjured up in their imaginations. They'll say I'm Loren Coleman. They'll say whatever they need to say to feel like they're in the right. Save your bandwidth.

>>51715974

That was about the point I gave up trying to talk to Feddie and Cappie fans.

>WHAT IS THIS SHIT, THE DRACS GOT A NEW ASSAULT OMNI
"Yes, it's their first second-generation design and it only took them 50 years longer than everyone else to get."
>BUT IT'S AN ASSAULT OMNI
"With a severe case of new toy syndrome and MRM-itis, and over-valued as fuck for what you get."
>THIS ONE CONFIG HAS CLANTECH ON IT!
"Even the best Tenshi config is gonna get bitch-slapped by the Dual Gauss monsters you got in 3058."
>FUCKING DRAC AUTHORIAL FIAT REEEEEEE

I mean, sure, it got a pretty sweet base chassis and all. But the Prime immediately shits the bed by mounting five fucking Light PPCs, the A has large VSPs with MRMs and lacks the speed to use them, the B has its BV bloated by a pair of TSEMPs, and the C brings all the firepower of a light-end Clan Medium with none of the usability. Yay.

If it had gotten some non-retarded configs and played to the possibilities of the base chassis, it could have been a beast. But it didn't, it's not, and even when you go with the best config it can't handle shit like the Thunderhawk, Devastator, Nightstar or Pillager despite being newer and higher tech.

>>51716153
I agree that this is all a bit silly, but it's probably good to bring to someone's attention since it is bad behavior that should be stopped (assuming they are indeed related, something that's yet to be proven).

>>51716274
I actually kinda like the Prime, although I'm not crazy about the supercharger or the RL10s.

The A is a monster in a city fight, and it's not even too expensive.

The B, well, TSEMP is hard to quantify. overall I think the BV cost for TSEMP is actually about right.

C is a Stalker II+ that doesn't fall over as much.

I'm going to do a relatively short stream talking about how to set up MHQ for the pastebin/people who want to play AtB in a few minutes. I know it won't save forever, but at least it'll be around for someone to save it. Feel free to ask questions in it.

https://www.twitch tv/campaignanonbtg as always.

>>51716153
Please realize that the original intent of bringing this to light is so it'll stop. Not so anyone loses their job or anything like that. We just want Randall to stop slapping us in the face for just this once.

>>51716206
They get a bunch of blakist mechs, a bunch of decent jihad era upgrades, and some decent new DA mechs.

If you think TRO:3145 is "all their DA designs" then you never even glanced at their actual DA forces in the original clicktech game.

>>51716347
Derp, didn't give a time. Starting at 8:10 Central.

>>51715058
please respond

>>51716276
If nothing else, bringing it to the attention of the fanbase so that people are warned about Dave the Toymaker and more pissed at Randall is good.

>>51715669
Money is fluid. It can be lost by a business and made up elsewhere.

If Topps lets this go, they're letting their copyright get weakened. It makes it easier for someone else to rip them off in the future and future legal arguments harder. Part of copyright is defending it. Letting infringements go unanswered in a court of law weakens your IP.

>>51716374
You could previously submit stories to BattleCorps, but that's likely not what you want. The stories are considered canon stories, but aren't just some fanfiction writer's fevered dream.

>>51716345

It's the best assault the Dracs have been given since the Naginata, but still not great.

To hear the Cappie and Feddie players bang on about it though, it's the ultimate assault Omni and breaks the game harder than the Hellstar.

I get where they're coming from in terms of their TRs not being as good as they hoped/were used to them being, but what they got is still better than the tripe served up to FWL and Drac players time after time, and doesn't invalidate their back catalogue either.

>>51716410
Could you elaborate?
My interest was really writing a short story about Lyran aerospace pilots working together as a wing.

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>>51716274

>"Even the best Tenshi config is gonna get bitch-slapped by the Dual Gauss monsters you got in 3058."

Aren't the Stalker, Battlemaster and Gunslinger technically more of a threat than most Tenshi variants are?

And what are the Fed Suns complaining about? They got an Assault Omni that wasn't Clan origin before the Combine did.

I think the Templar can even out do the Tenshi.

>>51715974
It's got one good config (Prime).

>>51716490
The Tenshi basically suffers from the same new toy crap as the original Celestial configs. They'll give it better ones later I'm sure.

This talk about Drac omnis makes me wonder whatever happened to their old full clantech companies where they concentrated all their captured gear the same way the Mariks used to do with LAM's.

>>51716490

>Aren't the Stalker, Battlemaster and Gunslinger technically more of a threat than most Tenshi variants are?

A lot of the time yes.

>And what are the Fed Suns complaining about?

Considering how good a lot of their designs already are, I think a lot of players were thinking Clan-tech upgrades were the next logical step. Devastators with Clan LPLs and TCs, Warlords with Clan energy weapons and TCs, etc. Instead they got a bunch of new middling designs, some good machines, and no outright piles of shit in the Stalker II vein, which rustled their jimmies a lot since other factions got some reasonably solid offerings that were long overdue.

>They got an Assault Omni that wasn't Clan origin before the Combine did.

Well, the Sunder is a First-Gen Omni but it was immediately exported to and licensed to the FedCom. The Lyrans and Suns both developed home-grown assault Omnis ~50 years before the Dracs.

>I think the Templar can even out do the Tenshi.

Depends on the confiigs involved but yeah. Even has a variant with better Clan tech than the Tenshi got.

Could we just stop pissing and moaning about who got what on both sides? It doesn't really matter, and as someone on neither side it's incredibly tiresome.

>>51716621
>clan-tech
>upgrade
Maybe you you WANT to be massively over-BV'd.

>>51716546

>This talk about Drac omnis makes me wonder whatever happened to their old full clantech companies where they concentrated all their captured gear the same way the Mariks used to do with LAM's.

If they ever had any most of it got blown up in the Jihad.

A lot of the "Clan" machines the Dracs had were actually IS machines with a couple of Clan-tech bits bolted on, and by the rules in Combat Ops most of them wind up being things like Panthers that have Clan SRMs and an extra heat sink, Hatamoto-Chis with Clan Endo, and so on.

>>51716365
>We just want Randall to stop slapping us in the face for just this once.

Every one of you who post here deserve to be.

>>51716647

No. Not until my faction's design selection is made equal to the FedCom's in 3058. I had to live with and play against that shit, the least CGL could do is make up for it.

>>51716686

So... never, then? CGL is on the record as saying they never want to give anyone stuff as good as the 3058 stuff and associated upgrades, because it was too good and fucked the curve for designs up really hard.

What books have the earliest RATs for each Successor state? Anything predating the FM series?

Specifically looking for ones including aerospace RATs too.

>>51716705

Well then asking me to stop complaining about a clear imbalance is pretty fucking stupid then, isn't it?

>>51716662
>If they ever had any

It's stated that's what they did with all captured clan chassis. That's why you didn't see stuff like Daishi's mixed in with the regular line units. They saved them in special forces full clan units.

The bolted crap you're thinking of are the Bulldog R omni variants made from captured clan weapon pods.

>>51716715

Chronologically there's the 1st SW Historical and the one in H: Wo3039. Not sure if they ever did anything for the 4th SW.

>>51716728

>It's stated that's what they did with all captured clan chassis.

Source? Because I play Drac and have never seen that.

>The bolted crap you're thinking of are the Bulldog R omni variants made from captured clan weapon pods.

No, there's rules for what the FM: U percentages mean in Combat Ops, along with fluff for the era backing those rules up. It's nice to imagine that the Clan percentages represent full-bore Clan designs of at least IIC quality, and it's a common criticism of how OP the Dracs are from fans of other factions, but thanks to the rules the way it actually shakes out is the vast majority of that "Clan" tech is actually something shitty from TR 3050 with one or two items swapped out for the Clan equivalent and any extra mass made up with Heat Sinks.

>>51716715
The oldest stuff are the phonebook type where they give you full examples of real units and not random tables. Random assignment tables began with FM: Draconis Combine in 1996. So no. That sort of thing doesn't exist. The old random stuff in the 80's through early 90's was just for unit strength and type. Heavy mech. Medium tank. That sort of thing.

>>51716843
>phonebook type
Like the Wolf Dragoon sourcebook? How many phonebook types are there?

>>51716725
>I'm gonna complain about something that will never change and I can't fix
>and you can't stop me, Star Fox!
This is what you sound like right now, a fucking cartoon villain saying how they'll never be stopped because they have the perfect plan.

Your faction lost, for stupid reasons in stupid ways and it wasn't fair, we all know this. Just stop fucking bitching about it and accept that it happened and it sucked.

>>51716882

Wolf and Jade Falcon SBs are the other two. Invading Clans gives a breakdown of how the Clusters for the Jags, Cats, Bears, Vipers, and Sharks are organised for their OZ but only to the Binary/Trinary level rather than listing who piloted what.

>>51716882
The small books focused on specific units like Sorenson's Sabres or Rolling Thunder

>>51716896
>Just stop fucking bitching about it and accept that it happened and it sucked.

No, and no, respectively. I can say what I want.

>>51716882
The OG merc handbook has phonebooks for the ELH and Waco Rangers, the wolf and falcon books, the goon sourcebook, and I can't remember any phone books above company-ish scale after that

>>51716666
Why is that?

>>51716955
You can and we can tell you to shut the fuck up about it.

You know, in a strange way, I respect your persistence. I appreciate that you've decided that if you're going to be miserable, everyone else should be too, it's a logically consistent worldview, if a morally disagreeable one. So, well done I guess. You're a quality troll, doing quality trolling. Carry on, not like I can convince you to save your energy anyway.

>>51716981
Probably because we dare to criticise CGL for their various fuckups rather than going into fangirl SQUEEEEE over the latest Touring The Stars: Irrelevant Planet Nobody Gives A Fuck About Which Is Also Filled With Grammatical Errors Because Fuck You We Crowdsource Our Editing.

>>51717004

Eh, it's not even worth engaging them over. I gave up on it a long time ago. Just say "here's how it is" and then move on, the drama just isn't worth it and your odds of getting a factional partisan to admit you have a point is basically nil any way.

>>51716276
>>51716981
and you say this in a thread on 4chan with gigabytes of pirated material in the OP. Seriously guys, unfuck yourselves.

>>51717048
>Eh, it's not even worth engaging them over.
Yeah, I'm just bored and stalling on creating a Pathfinder character right now is all (friend is running PF, wants me to join, I'm ambivalent about it). Thought I'd chat to a troll for a little while, see what's what in trollland.

>>51716815
>I play Drac and have never seen that.

It's been so long I'd have to hunt it down but I'm pretty sure it will be in one of these.

>The 1st Dominion War novel where there's a Kurita commander in a Black Hawk KU with a custom loadout
>The novel when George Hasek is by the ice statue of his father's Daishi and talking about how he wishes he had some clan stuff to defend New Syrtis
>Maybe one of the actual Drac scenario books like Roar of the Dragon
>Maybe a Battlecorps short

I really can't remember where, but I remember it because I always wondered what they did with all their Invasion and Bulldog salvage and that finally gave an answer.

>>51717079

I kinda hate to say it but he's probably got a point here.

We know CGL watches these threads, and although making money by infringing on IP is a different thing entirely to not making money by infringing on IP it would still be a typical CGL douche move to take revenge by going after the MF archives and whoever set them up.

>>51717103

No, I mean I've seen the OR configs from Dragon Roars and stuff like that, and I know the Dracs did manage to salvage some full Clan machines, but the majority of it was stuff they had to break down. I'm not aware of them concentrating it in all-Clan companies and the like.

Part of the problem is that the FM:U Clan percentages don't actually differentiate between full-on Clan salvage and IS machines with some components replaced with Clan equipment. A Daishi Prime and a Panther-10K whose only Clan gear is an Endo Steel refit both count for the same amount of Clan tech, but by the rules and fluff shit like the latter is way, *way* more common than the former.

>>51717079
>>51717126
He VERY MUCH has a point, but is missing the history of the flame wars fought over those links.

I'm the guy that made the infograph and want Randall to treat CGL as a business and not a hobby. I want Randall to treat Battletech as an IP that helps pay his bills instead of a neat side gig that he can use to help his buddies/family.

I don't think those links should be there.

Our 'unfuck yourselves' poster seems to be thinking we're one unified mass of individuals which is laughable.

>>51717079
>>51717126
>>51717205
I used to buy CGL material, but now I go with the pirated stuff because I don't want to support them as a company BECAUSE OF all their shitty behavior.

So they have nobody but themselves to blame as far as I am concerned. If they want my shekels they can shape up.

>>51717205

Yeah but again, this is Randall.

$850K+ is stolen from him and his company, and his response is "All good buddy, just don't do it again. We're not going to make you pay it back or even stop you from making more money off us."

Telling him about Dave, whether they're related or not, is more likely to generate no action from him than it is to get him to do anything about it. The most likely outcome is that he says "All good Dave, magnificent beard you've got there and let's get the legal department to go after /btg/ for starting this shit in the first place, see how they like it."

>>51717190
I know. I'm not talking about percentages. This was a statement that was along the lines of "because of the difficulty in maintaining clan omnimechs, House Kurita has concentrated the bulk of their machines into special task forces, each no more than a company in strength"

>>51717205
I want to be on this side of the debate, but then >>51717264 posted and you know, he's kinda got a point. CGL is a bad company that has terrible business practices. Do I want to support that? I don't know that I do. Generally, I don't like piracy since it only hurts content creators, but I've found myself wondering if I don't want CGL to collapse, if only so that Topps will give someone else the license and we can have a mulligan on this whole situation. CGL just isn't doing a good job as an IP holder or a company and I think there's a real argument for not supporting them.

By contrast, I buy from IWM because they are a better company and their quality is really improving and I want to support that.The new minis have been basically all fantastic and that's great, that's something I want to support as a customer.

Basically, I want CGL to be run like IWM: not great right now, but consistently improving and making a clear effort to get better.

>>51717264

I'm in the same boat as you but the stuff only stays available at CGL's sufferance. They know about it but haven't done anything yet, all it would take is a single DMCA notice to MediaFire and it goes bye bye.

I regard them as a bunch of incestous, nepotistic incompetents but it is an area where they are legally in the right. Deliberately drawing their ire isn't likely to go well for us.

>>51717280
>We're not going to make you pay it back
Except the courts and Topps mandated that exactly. Took years.

And Topps controls the IP and the copyrights. Look at all the legal text. It's up to them to chase Dave, or even the archive here, it's not up to Catalyst.

>>51717328

It's nice to imagine that the license would go to someone with the skill and desire to reinvigorate the game but I suspect if CGL dies either Topps will sit on it like they do a bunch of other IP or Jordan will buy it back and give us something like Alpha Strike in a neo-Dark Age setting that makes a big but brief splash, alienates long-term players, and eventually sinks without a trace.

Unfortunately I think we're 10-15 years past the point where BT could be revived. The mismanagement of the game and the current market are pretty massive hurdles to overcome.

>>51717339
Well, /btg/ is a collection of individuals, so there's not really a way for us to control one or more people choosing to go after them.

>>51717407
CGL does have a duty to find and report, iirc.

>>51717425
>Unfortunately I think we're 10-15 years past the point where BT could be revived. The mismanagement of the game and the current market are pretty massive hurdles to overcome.

I think there is the possibility for huge growth, but certainly not with CGL at the helm.

Also, it might be more of an Alpha-strike style product, or a serious rules overhaul, instead of muddling along with the same clunky rule system.

Still, if Age of Sigmar can make money...

>>51717407

>Except the courts and Topps mandated that exactly.

No they didn't, because it never even went to court. Randall even put out a press release saying it was all just an innocent mistake and Coleman was forgiven.

If Randall had any business sense, much less a god damn spine, he would have handed the matter over to the police and kicked Coleman out of the company pronto.

That sure as hell didn't happen, and if Coleman ever gave any of the money back it's gone into the pockets of the company owners rather than into company coffers, because they're constantly talking about how they're a shoestring operation that struggles to make payments, which would not be the case with almost a million bucks in the coffers.

>>51717432
>CGL does have a duty to find and report, iirc.
Correct. All the license holders do. And IWM has been informing on Dave to Topps for years. And what's come of it?

>>51717490
If they have, then we need to start making bootleg miniatures. If Topps tries to sue, we can point out the notifications of IWM to Topps. They chose to let their IP weaken, it's their fault.

>>51717490
Beats me, never even heard of Dave the Toymaker before the past couple of threads.

>>51717490

>And what's come of it?

Probably Topps looking at the costs to file suit and determining it's not worth paying to involve to lawyers over such small potatoes.

>>51717470
>because it never even went to court.
Sure as hell did. You think the rest of the investors sat around with smiles on their faces? You didn't hear about the books that had to be pulled until the freelancers got paid? It went to court. They tried to force IMR into bankruptcy. It's public record.

>>51717560
Interesting. I'd like to read on that. What's the court cases?

>>51717560

Source please, because this is new information.

I was around and watching the whole shitshow as it played out, all I ever saw was Frank Trollman trying to shame CGL into action and some other company trying to outbid CGL for the rights to certain IP, only for CGL to do dick all and retain the rights.

Can we go back to giant stompy robots just for a second?
What is a good and fairly common vehicle that works well with the thunderbolt? Like in a partner set up, a paired-lance of four mechs and four tanks that operate together. I'm thinking specifically of the Clan Invasion era, to work with a -7M, but one that works well with a -5S is equally appreciated

>>51717560
>Sure as hell did. You think the rest of the investors sat around with smiles on their faces? You didn't hear about the books that had to be pulled until the freelancers got paid? It went to court. They tried to force IMR into bankruptcy. It's public record.

This is the first I've heard about any of this.

If it went to court, there's a court case. If the actions of Loren ended up with that kind of shitstain, he should DEFINITELY be gone. It's one thing to be like "oh well it didn't end up so bad so he can stay" but to get your company in front of a judge? Fuck that.

>>51717611

Rommel/Patton or Manticore if you want to be shooty. Saladin if you want to herd the enemy closer.

>>51717611
Manticore seems like the best answer. The Brutus would also probably be good

>>51717611
The patton and manticore are the best bets

>>51717611
Frankly, these sorts of discussions are why /btg/ exists. The OF is extremely hostile to these sorts of debates, and many other places on the internet have way too many hell-or-high-water fanboys.

We'll get back to the stompy robots, but there's legitimate news to discuss right now.

>>51717629
>This is the first I've heard about any of this.
Because 4chan is a shit source of actual information.

Hey, maybe get Greg Anderson to dig up the court records since he's such a crack fucking detective.

>>51717603
He's right, this is exactly what happened. The court filings are a matter of public record. I know I have them lying around somewhere, but anyone willing to spend enough time googling should be able to turn them up, because they were widely thrown about in the various forum megathreads cataloguing the CGL shitshow at the time. That's where I first saw them.

>>51717611
What's your budget? Because if you're broke and need trooper tanks the Po is always there for you. Also the Hetzer. Po for adding more medium range fire with the thud, Hetzer for drawing fire and hoping one of them makes into range.

Is Warhansa a reliable place to buy mech models? I really like the MWO models, and that's the only place I've found that supplies them, but their purchasing model seems sketchy as fuck with the personal paypall transfer rather than an actual card or checkout.

I want to buy them, but I don't know if the site can be trusted.

>>51717746

Then show your source. We saw the three-part series from that blog and Randall's final press report citing "improper financial co-mingling" from Coleman but that all was forgiven, and Coleman is still in his old job.

What we haven't seen is any evidence that things ever escalated beyond people like Trollman contacting Topps to say "What the actual fuck you guys, is this who you want to have running your licenses?", much less to a court case that forced CGL to pay people and resulted in an actual punishment for Coleman.

>>51717825
I've heard the minis are fine and that people got them.
Beyond that I don't know.

https://geek-related.com/2010/04/17/catalyst-games-defiant-criminals/

>>51717825
Nobody's been hosed that anybody knows of.
The paypal thing is probably because he's somewhere in eastern europe and/or doesn't want to deal with the hassel that CC companies are. It's quite common for small businesses in the wargaming field
At least you don't have to mail in a fucking money order by post like with some of the small /hwg/ guys. I half expect to run into one who demands payment in US treasury bearer bonds or travellers cheques one of these days

>>51717791
>>51717746
I've read up on stuff posted here, and haven't seen any links to actual court case records.

>>51717825
Personal paypal transfer might just be to avoid fees.

>>51717925
More likely a technicality to not be "selling" copyrighted designs.

>>51717909

This. The closest I can find or remember is some freelancers suggesting they'll consider legal recourse to get their payments owed or pull stunts like denying release of copyright or however it worked to force CGL to pay them before they could publish the stuff they'd written.

There was a push to have Topps do something decisive and for another company to buy at least the SR rights but that was all.

>>51717887

Some dude's blog does not a valid source make.

>>51718027
Not posting it as a source for court records or anything, just more grist for the mill.

>>51717904

Well, I ordered a King Crab, a Swayback, a Catapult and a Stalker. We'll see if he actually delivers.

Man Battletech would be fricking awesome as a Dawn of War/Supreme Commander style RTS. Hell, mash it up with Sins of a Solar Empire or some other space game for your contested jump points and hot drops under fire and you would be rolling in fun shit.

>>51718060
>We'll see if he actually delivers.
He's never failed thus far. It'll take a while, though, because it's coming a long fucking way

>>51717993
http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2010/06/01/catalyst-game-labs-statement-re-the-chapter-7-filing/

CGL put out their own press release on the situation. It really is a matter of public record.

>>51718071
>Sins of a Solar Empire
Someone else who remembers Sins. That game fucking rocks, man.

>>51718095

Yeah, that suit was launched by the freelancers who were getting dicked over.

When it all shook out CGL had to pay them what they were owed.

Nothing in it forced Coleman to pay money back or anything else.

>>51718140

Do try the star trek total conversion mod. It is amazing.

>>51718161
But that's exactly it. Whatever the amount was that was co-mingled, it's his company. The bottom line was the money owed to the freelancers, the investors, and well, Randall. It's also why he wasn't fired. His company. The other partners (his wife and Randall), didn't force the issue. The investors, freelancers, Topps, Uncle Sam, that's a different story, and all that was paid back. It's literally is the reason why they're still around, still have the license, and Loren is still in charge.

>>51718162
Already on it. Armada 3: The Final Frontier is baller as fuck and I cannot believe it happened. I get to tool around in Sins with a fleet of best ship (Steamrunner, deal with it) and just beat up on Romulan fuccbois, it feels so good.

Also, Borg are OP as fuck. Jesus they're hard to crack. My best run against the Borg involved them having three Cubes and me having an entire max-level fleet. I technically won, in that I had ships left and they didn't, but it sure as fuck didn't feel like a win.

Sorry, SoSE posting is over now.

>>51714329
looks cool

Is new art anon handy and/or has he linked a webpage?
I'd like to post some of his art on my BT shitposting page, but I'll only do that if I can get him some credit.

>>51718247

It was the freelancers who bought that suit, anon. For approximately $60K according to the press release.

The way that works is that you go to a judge, say "this company fucked up" and you argue that it should have to dissolve with the court seizing their assets to pay creditors what it owed. It was the only legal maneuver that the freelancers had left because CGL was just going to keep shitting on them otherwise.

That is the scope of what they were arguing for. And it wound up being settled any way, AFAICT.

Literally nothing in it was about forcing Coleman to pay money back to IMR/CGL, and as far as anyone knows or has shown the money never came back. CGL is still bitching about cash flow problems seven years later and Leviathans wouldn't have crashed and burned with the extra capital around either.

The other anon up thread was saying there was a legit effort to kill IMR/CGL and that court cases had forced Coleman to pay the money back. The Chapter 7 was never going to succeed in having a judge forcibly break IMR/CGL for such a small amount of money owed, but what it would do is force them to actually pay up under settlement.

Probably not the full amount either due to how settlements work, but even 60% of the money you're owed is better than a letter with "HAHA FUCK YOU" smeared on it in shit, which is what the freelancers were getting up to then.

>>51716715
MW2E has a mech RAT for the great houses and FRR.

>>51718140
Eh, it's probably the only game where I've built up a space empire, then fallen asleep and come back to it 17 hours later to find my empire still humming along with maybe a couple planets less. It had some good bits, but it was really boring a lot of the time.

Would like to see a Sins 2 with revamped combat and less micromanagement for your planets. I don't really love combat micro, but it's less of a pain in the ass if I'm not also having to go take care of non-combat things constantly.

>>51718162
Did the Battlefleet Gothic mod ever get off the ground?

>>51717962
He's in Russia. Topps wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of going after him legally.

>>51718071
DoW/Supcom would pretty much be MechCommander style, I suppose.

>>51718381

If the BFG thing did make it off the ground, is it any good? I bought the Gothic game from steam and it is totally fucking unplayable on a $3K gaming rig I bought less than six months ago.

I just wanted to blow some shit up, for the emprah ;_;

>>51718352
This.

You can't claim that there was a lawsuit that forced Coleman to pay back what he took and point to a C7 lawsuit as proof of that. One doesn't lead to another.

There's also zero proof that Coleman paid a cent back. Unless you've got a supreme court ruling you'd like to cite as evidence, because that'll be about as relevant as a press release over 60k.

>>51717746
>Hey, maybe get Greg Anderson to dig up the court records since he's such a crack fucking detective.

Ooooh, somebody mad that something came out.

>>51718409
>look up some mech commander videos on youtube

man, even MC2 is horribly dated. Modern games have spoiled me T_T

>>51718435
>Ooooh, somebody mad that something came out.
>>51718435
Ooooh, that name ring a bell, Anon?

Anyone read the new novel, Heir Apparent?

>>51718480
>Ooooh, that name ring a bell, Anon?
Yeah, it's me. Duh.

>>51718549
>Yeah, it's me. Duh.
No, it's me. I'm Greg Anderson!

>>51714864
Hell I justified the purchase of the sexy new mini by using it as an objective in several games.

>>51718549
>>51718720
You're both full of shit.

>>51718503

I see it was written by Stackpole.

How much man-made lightning can we expect?

Patton or Rommel?

>>51718791
I think both are a bit overrated. They're both pretty good, and the latter especially better than some of his peers, but most people who wank about them don't really know about what they did. That being said, I really couldn't make a choice between who I like more.

As for the tanks I honestly have no idea.

>>51718791
Monty

>>51718791
Both. They're built to compliment each other. A Rommel with an UAC works great in tandem with a Patton with a Gauss, providing firepower at all kinds of ranges.

>>51718791

4/6 isn't going to get you anywhere fast so for anything aside from urban defence the reach of the A/C-10 on the Patton is going to benefit you more than the A/C-20 of the Rommel.

Manticore is better than either, though.

>>51718791
Both.
But I tend to favor the Patton, since it can do more outside 9 hexes. Kinda wish it dedicated at least one more ton to AC/10 ammo though, so you could really cut loose. Rommel is nice for close quarters though.

>>51718720
>>51718734
this pleases me greatly.

>>51718864

Worst possible answer.

>>51718734
Fuck you, Greg. I'm Greg Anderson!

>>51718503
yeet
i feel like stackpole went back and reread the GDL trilogy before writing it tho.
still, i'm interested to see where he takes the story so i suppose it's an okay read.

>>51718777
surprisingly none so far, iirc
i dont think a single ppc discharged through all 112 or so pages

no word on whether that will change in the next three books, tho

>>51718503
When are we going to get that shit in paper? I'm still waiting on Anthology 6 and Bonfire.

>>51718791
I like the Rommel, since the UAC Rommel is spicy as fuck, but they're both solid.

>>51716410
>You could previously submit stories to BattleCorps
Different anon, but this made me wonder. Are they not taking submissions anymore? Or is my sleep-deprived brain addled to the point of misunderstanding?

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>>51719028
>>51718734
>>51718720

>mfw so many missssster andersons

>>51719143
>taking submissions anymore
I hope they do, and put it into doubletime. They've already burned up through 2013/2014 in their compilations.

>>51719143

BattleCorps has always been fucked and submissions get accepted or rejected for weird reasons. I've read stuff that people said they'd had rejected from BC and it's been better written than stuff that got accepted.

Not that I'm bitter about buying a year's membership one time and not even getting a tenth of the promised content or anything.

>>51719287
>paying for membership
>not downloading the rare exclusive track and just buying the anthologies

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>>51719028

>>51719143
Submissions might not be going on right now since they switched to the new store. Not having had a subscription since 2008 or so, I couldn't tell you what's going on there.

Anybody else see that some of the old Japanese-exclusive Battletech campaign books are for sale on ebay pretty cheap? Do we have scans of those?

I've always been curious what's inside them.

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>>51719411
I think the most I have ever seen posted is a couple pages here and there. I have seen that someone has scans of the original Dougram game books which helped inspire BT, but I don't know who among our cadre has those.

>>51719584
http://www.mediafire.com/file/p1o1qtqvkdrbrv0/Battle_of_Kalnock.rar
Dougram.

>>51719616
Utterly fantastic.

>>51719616
>tfw everything about BT is stolen from the Japs

>>51716347
I much prefer a text guide myself.

>>51720377
>Kalnock younger than BT
>Shares almost nothing in mechanics

Come on now, son.

I need some mechs (preferably humanoid and like 3 clan and 1 or 2 inner sphere) to doodle while I work on commissions.

Give me some ideas.

>>51720745
The answer is always urbies and crabs.

>>51720745
Voting Enforcer.

>>51720745
Hatamoto, Stooping Hawk, Canis and the Grizzly. Do eet.

>>51720745
Cyclops, Jenner, Vulcan, Whitworth for IS
Cougar, Thresher, Goshawk, Kingfisher for Clan

>>51720745
Unseen Griffin IIC. I think there's like two pieces of art for that thing in the entirety of anywhere. Scylla and Manowar.

For IS I'll second the Vulcan.

>>51721091
The Griff 2cees missiles are in the side torsos, right? Where's the small laser placed if the ER large is in the CT?

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>>51721355
It's in the head.

>>51721355
Missiles in the side torsos, large laser in the chest, small laser in the head. I think the small is supposed to be mounted above the cockpit and between the antennae in the art.

>>51718503
Point me to this, please, mobile Google gives me only links to the British Royals and the old Warrior Trilogy.

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>>51720745
Gotta add late that the Vulcan does not get enough love, but I also lurve the Phoenix Hawk.

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>>51721355
>The Griff 2cees missiles are in the side torsos, right? Where's the small laser placed if the ER large is in the CT?

You do realize Griffin IIC is just Battlemaster's redesign from Mechwarrior 1, right?
It's good to keep that in mind if you want to draw the thing in any way, shape or form accurately.

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>>51721091
>I think there's like two pieces of art for that thing in the entirety of anywhere.

There's more but you gotta play the game.
Mechwarrior didn't age most favourably.

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>>51721091
Again, the cover pic is also the Battlemaster.

>>51722050
All too little art depicts that heroic Brigadier Blaster-Sump pose nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2FQvZHrVs

>>51722008
>>51721375
>>51721380
Eh, to be perfectly honest every single idea I have for the Griffin IIC ends up making it an edit of Alex' Griffin.

Might do it at some point for shits and giggles, but right now it kinda feels wrong to just edit his stuff.

>>51721927
My love for the Vulcan is considerably dampened by the fact that it brews up on me so often, and usually the culprit is the autocannon ammo. It's like every one of my Vulcans has a bullseye painted on the ammo bin.

>>51723694
5T. Also fun because people tend to go lol vulcan and ignore it.

>>51720745
Emperor please

>>51723694
This:
>>51723721
It becomes a nasty surprise and I like to use it when I get a hold of one as a replacement scout for bugs and even the occasional PHawk.
If you have any surviving 5Ts from the 3025 era when the 3040s-50s roll around giving them DHS and removing a couple HS for a couple more MLs make them just a brutal surprise for nasties that aren't expecting it.

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Ahahaha
kill me

>>51721456
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4jbz4bt8tbibo/Uploads

enjoy famalamborghini

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Good news, guys.

Catalyst will be performing a thorough internal investigation and will find nothing wrong.

>>51724827


Welp. Grab anything you think you may want from the archives, because CGL will nuke them soon.

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>>51724827
Great news actually, they've found you to be a hot turd sandwich, and a fucking delicious one at that.

Where can I find the price for purchasing a dropship? (Not booking a ride, buying the actual ship). Specifically a Leopard and a Union.

Masterunit list doesn't seem to have costs for dropships.

If it's not listed somewhere, how much do you think they should cost? 10mil? More?

>>51725543
>meritocracy with free-market communism

The Cappellan Confederation never made any fucking sense. I feel like the realm solely exists as a Davion punching bag so they didn't give the details much thought.

>>51725966
Any of the TROs. They list the CBill price.

Unions are around 300mil or so. DropShips are expensive because of what they do, they're big feats of manufacturing and machining.

MegaMek has them all listed.

>>51725966
Hundreds of millions of C-bills. >>51726056
>MegaMek has them all listed.
That's right.

>>51726104
Yep. To give you an idea, the cheapest common ones are like the Buccaneer, which is just over 100mil. Pocket WarShips like the Overlord A3 and Nekehono'o are over 750mil, some getting close to 1bil, depending upon the equipment mounted.

>>51725966

There are costs in FM: Mercs, but the rules for calculating C-Bill values changed since then. The last time I looked at MegaMek the values there were off too.

Unfortunately it's a do by hand or pick your poison thing. All the existing sources are out of whack for one reason or another.

>>51726056

Prices have been changed since TechManual with new multipliers, and the costs listed in TR 3057 were suspect even before then.

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>>51725746
Why would they find a hot turd sandwich delicious?

>>51720377
BT is based off an old naval wargame.
Ask NEA for the specifics.

>>51726147
>>51726139
>>51726056

So how much do you think for a Leopard?

150? 200mil?

>>51726341
173 million is what MM has.

>>51726341
The 3056 upgrade is 227,916,000 according to MegaMek.

Of course, that price all depends. That's a base cost for a fresh-from-the-factory model. One that's had a few years on it, or more, will cost less. Or if it's difficult to get it to you, it'll cost more. It also depends upon the era.

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>>51715649
as others have said, ditch the torso mounted cockpit (this armors it instead). Find some more long range firepower (this goes with clan er large lasers and clan lrm 10s).

>>51718352
"what the freelancers were getting up to then."
Note that hasn't changed much since then either.

>>51726615
I thought the situation had improved since Loren paid back the debts?

>>51726874
We don't know that that happened. It may well not have.

>>51726874

...

He didn't pay back the debts, anon. Randall put out a press release saying it was totally just a misunderstanding and all was forgiven since Coleman didn't really mean to do it.

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I know the Ghost Bears are slightly controversial here, but I was curious if anyone here really plays them.

If you could change something about their lore or place in the canon timeline, what would you change? Aside from Leviathans.

For example, I've noticed it observed that the Bears were initially similar to the Jaguars in how they treated their OZ populations. Should it have stayed like that?

>>51727015
Well no wonder CGL has no money.

>>51727087
I actually really like how their mechs play.
5/8/5 heavies are fun.

>>51727087
Yes , they should have been like jags. But instead of being hyper aggressive and angry all the time they should take their wait and see approach to the extreme where it actually hurts them by letting their enemies out maneuver and manipulate them. Instead of everything went according to plan.

Introducing new players to Battletech, they have a CN9-A, and BJ-1, and a CRB-20

Think they can handle 3 Bulldogs for their first mission? Too easy?

>>51727289
I'd recommend having them go against 'mechs for the first mission. Shooting at vehicles can be boring as heck.

>>51727289
Yes and no. It depends on how much hand holding you do. If you just let them at it and only advise on rules then any scenario might be too much. Where are the Bulldogs? What's the mission? If they are on a wooded map it may be too easy. If you are running blind rules it might be too hard. I want to say they will be fine but new players are hard to judge in my experience. In a campaign I was running my players always had a tough time and they were at way higher BV than the OpFor.

>>51727365
The players will be attacking an airfield, the Bulldogs are defending it. Area is mostly clear with occasional hill and trees but nothing major

Their objective is to take out the parked aircraft, hangar, fuel tanks, and ATC tower. Wiping out the tanks is not necessary.

>>51727289
Bulldogs should be a decent challenge for them. The blackjack has it worst I think, if it gets close enough to use it's lasers it could eat a hard volley of SRMs and drop fast.

2 x AC 2, AC 10 and 2 Large Lasers vs 3 Large Lasers gives the balance of force on the side of the 'mechs, assuming they have the sense to stay out of reach of the Bulldog's 6 x SRM4 unless they can catch one of the tanks alone.

>>51727422
Am I missing something or could the blackjack just hop up on a hill and plink the objectives to death with AC's from outside the range of any return fire?

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>>51727429

Centurion's gonna have long-range missiles, too! Wouldn't be a bad idea to try and score a few long-range hits that reduce one or more tanks' mobility, then pick on whichever one is left that can move forward to engage them.

>>51727429
Don't forget the LRM 10. A lucky hit can leave a 'vee immobilized.

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So I'm trying to read into what the Free Rasalhague Republic's military-industrial complex was like... and it's a mess of lore.

Apparently at some point in the last decade of BT lore, the writers decided to insert Bergan Industries into the mix even though I can't find any prior mention of it.

So there's a mech factory on New Oslo that belonged to Alshain Weapons, was obtained by GKT, retconned as having been sold to Bergan Industries after the Ronin War, listed in TRO 3039 as being controlled by Alshain Weapons, and then back in the Clan Invasion era is described as being a GKT factory again.

Who fact checks for these people?

>>51727422
They should be okay if they have any tactical sense. New players do tend to bum rush into combat because they want to kill everything. It sounds like a solid scenario though. Hope everyone has fun.

>>51727463
The Clans would invade before the Blackjack took down a concrete building with 2 AC/2's

>>51727564
>Apparently at some point in the last decade of BT lore

It's called the clusterfuck that is TRO 3039 and Historical 3039. Just burn them and you'll be a lot happier.

>>51727762
If he's using LOS rules, then he should be able to set all that stuff on fire with the medium lasers without too much trouble.

>>51724827
rofl, "Randall doesn't know about this, it's just his cousin who's been making knockoffs for decades"

Come on Ray, pull the other one.

>>51726529
>clantech

what a cop-out

Randall Bills said that if he could go back in time and change one rule, he wouldn't allow you to put free DHS inside engines

What do you guys think about that as a house rule? Changing all engine DHS to SHS?

>>51728409
DHS-P already exist, and have existed pretty much forever, in the case of the ones with the corrosive liquid metal cooling like on the Blackjack. It would make DHS less effective, and we'd probably see more Gauss designs than we do now.

>>51728409
The Battletech system is a clusterfuck one way or another.
Pinpotining a single thing like that is not really even worth mentioning when the only thing you could really hope to do is to redo the entire system from the ground up.

>>51728409
Probably good for Star League era machines but regular engine DHS would be a good Dark Age kinda upgrade. Maybe make it clantech.

Clantech in general got inserted too high on the curve of good shit so I'd probably either go back and nerf it a bit or add some new type of armor by the DA that's a straight BAR upgrade across the board to give us some weapon upgrade room again.

What's the relationship between Comstar and the Clans (specifically in the occupied territory)?

Since the Clans know how HPGs work, do they even use Comstar?

>>51728409
The problems with this game come down to one thing, Clantech.

When you have two separate levels of tech, and when you upgrade one the other has to get better, then you're fucked.

I would have introduced Clantech as hot shit, but then Clantech stays pretty static while the IS slowly grinds past it, and eventually some part of Clantech are the new baseline.

I also think the game has gone way too far towards killing pilots and mechs for a while. They're starting to make a swing back towards keeping units alive with specialist armors and such in the DA, but it's kinda clunky and not enough.

>>51728695
No they do not. In the Invasion, the Clans used local ComStar personnel as administrators of the OZs to simplify things, because they weren't used to people that didn't accept the caste structure. After Operation SCORPION, where ComStar tried to wipe out the Clan troops in the OZs, the Clans threw out any ComStar personnel.

>>51727971
I don't know how far up your inbred cousins' asses you are, but I don't know shit about what my cousins do, crooked or otherwise.

>>51728718
>I also think the game has gone way too far towards killing pilots and mechs for a while.

If anything, one of Battletech's weaknesses is dragging around far too much baggage.
Mechs should be relegated, removed and obsoleted in some way.
No one in their right mind wants to have five thousand designs each with 5 or more variants.
They don't look good, they don't look different, they don't play differently and most of the time they don't even work at all.

>>51717825

Only got one order from him. Minis are good(not great the Crab's claws were messed up as was the dragon's cannon), and you can't beat the price. Kangaroo's stuff is better, but metal and more expensive.

>>51728409

I actually completely agree with that sentiment. As a singular point, integrating DHS into engines did more to disrupt and fundamentally change the way the game was balanced than anything else.

Sure, there's a ton of other stuff that's tweakable (pulses getting -1 instead of -2 is a big one, especially ClanTech pulses), but going from 10 "free" heat dissipation to 20 "free" heat dissipation is just gigantic. DHS can take several designs from "having to carefully manage heat buildup" to "doesn't much care about heat" in a single design stroke. Noteably, removing engine DHS would massively effect the ClanTech vs ISTech balance; Clanners can mount a worthwhile set of weapons to engage at all ranges (due to the reduced tonnage/crit requirements of the weapons), but they're going to have a *much* harder time actually using them all than they do currently. Or they could mount a much lighter arsenal and have the heat dissipation available to use it all at once. And it's not just about ClanTech - SLDF designs which include full DHS are strictly superior to any design not using full DHS.

The big followup issues to such a change would be a mandatory reworking of heat-generating weapons, Stealth Armor (which at +10 heat/turn) would be all but useless under such a rules change, and tweaking up the heat on Guass weapons slightly (~5 per gun is an initial estimate). It's definitely something that should only be applied on a complete reset/rewrite of the game system, so it's unlikely to happen...but yeah, I generally agree that it was an ill-thought-through choice in the first place.

>>51728782
>Mechs should be relegated, removed and obsoleted in some way.

Found the Games Workshop sales rep.

>>51728782
I'd completely disagree on two points. The longevity of designs is one reason people keep playing. You don't have to buy a whole new set of everything when a new TRO comes out.

The other about variety is completely opposite to the market too. TRO's have always been the biggest seller, more than plot or scenario books. Why? Because people do like five thousand designs.

>>51728409
I agree, but I feel that's not going far enough.
I personally feel that all forms of "free" heat sinks were a mistake.
Just look at the overwhelming tendency of low-weight mechs to have full-energy loadouts; it's because they don't have to pay for those heat sinks and they won't generate enough heat anyways. A 3025 mech with three tonnes of gun has absolutely no reason to mount anything other than three MLs.

>>51728755
Well gee, maybe if you'd been running a company dealing with the issue of knockoffs for twenty years you'd know about it.

>>51728843
>Gauss rifles now cause heat

Well, makes them kinda pointless for the Clanners...

>>51728929
Yeah, I would probably go with all DHS, but make you pay for every single one.

Although ERPPCs will be shit, Gauss will be even better, etc.

>>51728929
>3025 mech with three tonnes of gun has absolutely no reason to mount anything other than three MLs.

Problem: a 3025 light mech that has 3 tons after engine/gyro/cockpit/armor and which has to mount heat sinks in addition to weapons will not be viable. At all. Because it'll have to mount 2 SHS and 1 ML and it'll be guaranteed heat buildup every turn it shoots. So say nothing of mounting jump jets.

Without the free heat sinks, light Mechs would have to either mount no armor, or be much slower. Who wants to drive a 4/6/0 Wasp?

>>51729011
>Gauss rifles now cause heat
>Well, makes them kinda pointless for the Clanners

Are you misreading or just dumb? A 5 heat GR still offers the best possible heat/damage/range combination.

It just means that boating them becomes much harder. Which is a net gain for everybody.

>>51729034
Since you'd be ripping out the "ten free tons" of heat sinks, you'd have to cut the weight of other systems. I figured that went without saying.

>>51729034
Probably the same 3025 fetishist railing against heat sinks in the first place.

>>51729055
a cERPPC and the sinks to cool it weigh 13.5 tons, round up or down depending on if you want to be totally cool or deal with 1 heat per turn. A cGR plus ammo weighs 14. And the cERPPC has longer range, no min range, doesn't explode, doesn't run out of ammo, and has more crit padding due to sinks. Now, if you make the cGR need an extra two tons to sink it, you've made them even more pointless.

>>51729141
The problem there is that cERPPCs are fucking stupid and need rebalancing. What's your point?

>>51729141
How many crits are they, though? Crits are often the deciding factor on endo+ff machines.

>>51728983
You're right, so ask Mike Noe, since IWM is the company you're describing.

Is it possible to make mannei domini characters in AToW or would you have to use a previous edition?

>>51729141
>a cERPPC and the sinks to cool it weigh 13.5 tons

>Under NEA's proposal you have the following circumstance:
A Mech with 10 free heat from the engine can mount to cGRs and 2 tons of ammo for each for a total cost of 26 tons and no heat buildup.

For that same Mech to mount 2 cERPPCs, it would require 25 tons (12 tons for 2 cERPPCs, 5 tons to offset the unsinked heat from the 1st one, and 8 tons to offset the 15 points of unsinked heat - using DHS - from the 2nd one).

>Under the current rules, you have the following circumstance:
A Mech with 20 free heat from the engine can mount to cGRs and 2 tons of ammo for each for a total cost of 26 tons and no heat buildup.

For that same Mech to mount 2 cERPPCs, it would require 17 tons (12 tons for 2 cERPPCs, 0 tons to offset heat from the 1st one, and 5 tons to offset the ten points of unsinked heat - using DHS - from the 2nd one).

NEA's proposal is clearly an improvement, mate.

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Thanks for the suggestions /btg/, I'll start cleaning these up a bit tomorrow, but for now apologies for the shoddy quality.

These doodles are great for when I get a dry spell on the commissions.

Where are the rules for JumpShip and WarShip construction? Looked in the indices for Techmanual, TacOps, and StratOps but couldn't see anything obvious.

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Huh - apropos of nothing, I've been reading a little bit about the Machete aircraft project. It's a turboprop aircraft using foamed armor and a GAU-8 intended to do the A-10's job for $1,000/flight hour instead of $14,000/flight hour (and having to hand-tool replacement parts).

Which is neat. But one of their inspirations is an aircraft of which I was not personally familiar. The Vought F7U Cutlass.

Which seems to be the inspiration for something else besides the Machete. Extend that neck a bit, and add canards on the side of the nose...and that looks a WHOLE LOT like a Lucifer ASF. Spaced twin tails, bubble canopy, wide "shoulders"

Again, apropos of nothing. But I thought it was neat.

>>51729433
Okay, newbie here. Which is which? Is the second one a Pinion?

>>51729521
Look in Aerotech? I don't think they've made aerospace construction rules for the current generation of rulebooks.

>>51728755
well...
>>51728983
this. if he had actually looked into a problem that had been affecting his customers he would have seen the face of someone that he and a bunch of his family are facebook friends with(and shares the same last name with).

>>51729297
so it's totally acceptable for the line developer of fucking battletech to just sit back and say la la la la not my problem instead of being proactive? this is why BT is dying

besides, the fucker knows about the link now, why are they still facebook official? randall literally does not give a fuck about his customers

>>51729556
>Top row
Hatamoto-Chi, Emperor.

>bottom row
Crimson Langur, Vapor Eagle.

>>51729521

StratOps. Advanced Aerospace Construction, pages 143-161.

You'll also have to refer back to Techmanual and IIRC TacOps for several individual components. Have fun, because with the construction rules spread between 3 books building aerospace is a goddamn nightmare these days.

CGL needs to release an aerospace-only PDF compilation with a quickness.

>>51729556
As far as I can tell, from L-R it's a Hatamoto-Chi, Crimson Langur, the Vulcan and the Griffin IIC or the Goshawk.

>>51729581
Thank you. They look great!

Hey, stupid question: are there Society/War of Reaving RATs anywhere? I'd like to generate OPFOR for a scenario, and the stuff I'm coming up with deliberately is frankly way too optimized for the players' current condition.

I've looking in the WoR sourcebook, but I don't have the supplemental, if there is one (I've lost track).

>>51729647
They're in the WoR Supplemental, not the main book.

>>51729433
Hey art anon
Do you have a page or something I can use to source your art if I post it on my shitposting page?

>>51724744
Thanks!

>>51729664

Goddammit. WoR:Supp doesn't seem to be in the PDF archives above. Anybody got a copy, or at least a copy of the RATs?

>>51729352
>>51729182
I actually would rather rebalance cERPPCs than make Gauss rifles generate more heat. or else they're just fatty ACs.

>>51729799

Wait, never mind. I'm stupid; it was in my "unsorted yet" BT folder. Apologies.

If it needs to be uploaded to one of the mediafires, somebody let me know and I'll do a temporary host of it so one of the mediafireanons can DL it and rehost.

>>51728755
This just says you're a shitty human being

>>51729799
>>51729841

Well I guess it's a good thing I deleted my other post since it was the wrong link. Fuck.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/gfwnn4qnfs19at7/The_Wars_of_Reaving_Supplemental_Er.pdf

For when we're done with this one
New thread
>>51729931

I wish the Randall Internet Defense Force would get their shit together.

>they're not related
>they're related but it's complicated
>so what if its his brother
>so what if its his cousin
>he doesn't even know the guy
>it doesn't matter anyway because laws
>well then... i guess i'll go talk to randall in a few weeks to ask again
>but they're not related 4sure familia

>>51730035
Not defending Randall, but we also don't have any solid evidence either.

>>51730421
>we don't have any solid evidence


What difference does THAT make?

>>51730922
As the guy that made the infograph, it makes a pretty big difference.

All we know for sure is that Toymaker is, somehow, related to the same groups as Randall. And by 'related' I mean 'members of the same group'. It stands to reason that they're related on account of all the individuals involved having the same last name, but that's not for sure.

What is for sure is that Randall refuses to acknowledge or address the links that exist between him and the pile of garbage that is Toymaker. He's still FB friends with him and several other people that are linked to Toymaker.

>>51729433
Fucking Christ man, you are killing it. Definitely can not hardly wait to sprite that Hatamoto-Chi, and redo the Charger.