Pathfinder General /pfg/

Who is your favorite WotR app?

I like the gnome, her f-list seems fun.

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Thinking about making a Falconer character with a big ass Roc for an animal companion.

Any tips for playing or building this class?

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>>51692766
A B S A L O M
Just for the Starstone, but then you learn about all the gangs, the noble families, the traders, the colony of gillmen, the politics, the religions, all the little adventures to be had there.

I don't really like the flag though.

Am I the only one who misses DSP shillposting?

>>51692828
Eh, its to be expected. They aren't currently workin on any major important releases, so its currently not a major focus right now

>>51692817
Well there's the Falconer archetype for the ranger, which nets you a hunting bird companion at first level, though I don't know about its advancement.

My advice would be the Hunter class. It's a hybrid Druid/Ranger that gets teamwork feats to share with its animal companion, and it's solidly Tier 3.

Do you think there'll be a method of using spheres of might with 1pp martials that doesn't involve trading half their feats away?

>>51692865
I was actually meaning the archetype, but I haven't looked into the Hunter yet. Is it that good?

>>51692888
They'll probably add in archetypes or something.

All things considered though, most of the sphere talents are either equivalents to feats, or better, so its not too much of a loss.

Out of all the 1pp Martials, I'd say Fighters are currently most benefited, since they have the feats to spare.

>>51692827

The flag's actually one of the better ones in Pathfinder, it certainly beats Taldor's at least.

Also, don't Steel Dragons live in Absalom? Big ole mansions in a huge metropolis seems right up a Steel's alley.

>>51692895
It's mediocre, which is worse than being bad. It's not good in anything he does as both rangers and druids outshine a hunter. If youu want a hunter just take the beastmaster archetype of ranger which nets you more synergy with the animal and catch up to druid at level 12 for your pet.

>>51692895
Well it's 3/4 BAB as opposed to the Ranger's Full, but with teamwork feats, 6th level spell-casting, a better animal companion, all the nice ranger and druid stuff (and the ability to qualify as both ranger and druid for prereqs), and animal focus which scales really well and gives awesome benefits to boot, it's both good and really fun to play, probably the best of the hybrid classes.

>>51692828
The time when DSP devs posted about the design process and how classes or the industry worked was the most productive and informative /pfg/'s ever been.

Jolly's doing a good job in the gaps, though.

>>51692859
>aren't currently workin on any major important releases
RIP PoW errata. Gareth got super pissy when I brought it up, the lazy fuckwad.

>>51692953
Anon, that's what a hybrid class is supposed to do. If it was as good as either the ranger or the druid then it would supplant that class entirely, but instead it's a playable and moderately powerful mix of the two.

>>51692813
Link

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Imma try to ask again in this thread

Is there anyway, aside from the Sohei archetype of the Monk Class, to treat polelarms such as a Glaive or Naginata as a Monk weapon?

>>51693011

She's just an incredibly busty Gnomish fighter-girl that enjoys practicing safe sex.

>>51693023
Ascetic Style I think?

>>51693029
Link to the game page senpai.

>>51692953
A hunter winds up with "the best" animal companion, though, on top of being a 6th caster who gets the best thing off of a ranger (spell discounts + animal companion) while still having other useful features. It's not better if all you want to do is be a martial for Big Damage, but a ranger isn't particularly amazing at that anyway.

>>51693040

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66875/wrath-of-the-raunchy

>>51693031
I just rechecked it, and I guess that'll work. Though I'll have to juggle things around and commit to a single weapon.

Still, Style and Form should be enough to let me use a Glaive with Striker abilities. Maybe if I get those human Martial feats I can expand it to the rest of the Polarms. OR i can probably just convince the DM to use Feat Tax rules

>>51693031
Ascetic style needs the weapons to be in the monk group.
Maybe Ascetic Style (Tiger Fork), then Martial Versatility(Ascetic Style), which allows all Spears, Polearms, and Monk weapons to be used with Ascetic Style.

>>51693056
There are a lot of apps for this one huh.

>>51693145

All things considered, it flew under the radar. Practically stealth. I'd make a character for it, but I don't know if I should since I've got three campaigns already.

>>51693171
It'd be interesting to get some data on apps for ERP vs. non-ERP.

How do you play as a lamia in this game? I've seen that one app in bamboozle pirates with a PC lamia but I can't seem to find any sign of stats for it in the srd. Anyone mind Feeding me with a quick link?

>>51693259
http://blackmarches.wikidot.com/lamia

>>51693259
google "lamia commoner"

>>51693259
Play a Mermaid with the Strong Tail alternate trait, and refluff

>>51693259
>How do you play as a lamia in this game?

See >>51693302

Strong Tail is a given, add Constrict, replace Swim speed with Climb speed (Snakes are good climbers, Miia told me) and maybe rejigger the attributes.

So I'm making someone for the party(swashbuckler, brawler, barbarian, arcanist insofar) and I'm thinking we need a healer. I decided on a druid, and I just have to decide what kind of druid.

Storm blaster? Archer with Nature Fang? Melee traditional druid?

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>Finally had time to work on Raunchy App
>Relieved when I finished writing up a satisfactory history
>Realize that I haven't started on the description of my character's personality
>Realize that I can't put together one of similar quality
>Realize time is running out
Why is my mind suddenly an uninspired blank? I was doing so well!

>>51693286
Pretty cool, are there similar rules for the other lamia kin like the half bird and half cat ones?

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>>51693547
Goat Druid

Tell us more about the campaign so we can tell you about the specific type of goat you need.

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So, we just killed a Graveknight with 1000 degree knife memes

How were your games this last weekend?

>>51693595
If a druid turns into some form of cattle, can you milk them?

>>51693547
You have enough hit-guys. If you go for a damage dealer, definitely be an archer, otherwise, focus on control spells and summoning.

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>>51692766
All /pfg/ characters are now part of the pantheon.

What are their titles and domains?

>>51691883
>Al
... Is that supposed to be Aldern Foxglove? That's the only Al I can think of for Sandpoint.

>>51693638
Yes, but we cut him off and left. He's going to spread the word of our heroics.

>>51693056
The crusader game I'd run would be something close to horror, but I'd take Francisca, Kannas, Dossentistania, Vialla, Lucius/Irina and Mimi. And then possibly Joan, Haraa and/or Lorelei if required.

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>>51693616
Maybe. Since Wild Shape changes you into any type of animal, it can change you into a specific gender of animal.

I don't know if cows are fed hormones to make them produce milk before they've had their first calf.

>>51693634
Amalthea would be "The All-Mother" and we'll finally have a dedicated fertility goddess that isn't Tian or Evil

Are the Witch/Shaman classes Spirit and Patron real things?
Like.... In D&D odds are that your warlock has met "something" to sign a pact for magical powers. Is this also the case for like... a Shaman's Bone Spirit?

>>51693737
Well, I don't know about dairy cows, but anything with udders that size had to be fed something special.

How did the friday and saturday RotJR sessions go? Did we get greentext for them yet?

>>51693767
Yes.

>>51693767
Essentially. Its left extremely vague to be more flavor agnostic. You could be communining with the animist spirits of the world around you, or you could just be using tribal traditions to manipulate conceptual entities.

>>51687671
Figured I might as well repost in case anyone wants to weigh in.

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>>51693767
Not according to Feiya's character bio on the Paizo website.

I haven't read the Shaman iconic's bio.

If not, then that's how it works in Golarion. In anyone else's campaign, then maybe.

>>51693805
SotJR here.
>>51691883
>>51691864

>>51693816
In that case I am very worried about the state of the world when there are Bone and Slum spirits out there.

>>51693634

Aranha, the Silk-spun goddess.
Lady of spiders, silk and innocence

>>51693863
>Bone
Graveyards, mass graves, lingering dead spirits, Not!Indian burial grounds
>Slum
Any large and congested enough inner city, or poorer urban neighborhood (like a ghetto). Cities are not nice places, and when you have that many people and that many issues concentrated in one spot, things will settle and build up on the bottom

>>51693758
>and we'll finally have a dedicated fertility goddess that isn't Tian or Evil

We've got that bunny goddess that married Dispater and is only known for having Ragathiel!

But yeah I totally agree, having a dedicated "bounty and fertility" deity is desperately needed.

What was Paizo thinking when they designed a Pantheon that lacked the basic archetypes?

>>51693560

Backstory is 90% of the reason you're going to get in.

Bite the pillow and write a paragraph for description and personality. That's all, even if it sounds a little awkward.

>>51693863
Have you see Ghostbusters 2?

Vigo is those patrons.

>>51693947
>bunny goddess
It was a fire elemental

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>>51693737
>Doing it now

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>>51693993

We'll compromise.

>>51693029

Too safe if you ask me.

Also

>faves: cum inflation

>No: Risk of Pregnancy

:/

>>51693852
Sounds like fun. What was the funniest thing that happened? What was the cutest thing that happened?

>>51694036

She wants to bulge with seed, not breed.

>>51694026

Man, she must have really wanted him to feel her up.

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>>51694026

>>51694064

Anon, if you've ever worked with cows you'd realize they really, really, REALLY like it when you work their udders.

>>51693864
Aranha's silk comes from her BUTT!

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>>51694029
I prefer mine to be part Grass type as well

>>51693993

Her favored animal is the rabbit.

>>51694086

Aranha's butt is CUTE and PURE!

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>>51694065
What is this? A Cow for ants?

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>>51694036
>>faves: cum inflation
>>No: Risk of Pregnancy
simple

>>51694065
>touch the ants

>>51693634
Onryou, the Boisterous Beauty.

Goddess of self control, cooking and feasts.

>>51694146
Full size for me baby

>>51693634
Should I use the one that was lost in the Server Crash, or the one I built recently?

>>51694161
Yes

>>51694129

Anal sex *is* listed as one of her favorites.

That said, do be aware Gnomes can't get pregnant except by other gnomes... Or demons. So her setting Pregnancy to "No" isn't so much "I don't want you cumming inside me" as it is telling the DM she doesn't want to be some demon's breeding bitch.

>>51694156
nigga you blind>>51694125

>>51694121
But she still poops silk!

>>51694197

Nu uh! Silk comes from spinnerets, which are NOT butts!

>>51694223
You seem to be mistaken, Aranha is a spooder not a spider!

>>51694150
> self control

Oh im lafin

>>51694197
Actually, the web glands are more like highly specialized sebacious glands, meaning it'd be more accurate that she "sweats" web, not poop it.

>>51693737
"This is my legacy on the internet and I'm okay with that." -GraphiteKnight, 2017

Is there ANYTHING beyond Shocking Grasp spam for Magus? I really want to like this class but fuck, I can't bring myself to play one. It seems so boring.

>>51694311
Snowball spam.

>>51694241
Her abdomen's more like a tail really, all told.

>>51694293
That sounds terrible. What if she gets hot? Does she just spontaneously spawna cloak I hot weather?
in

>>51694335
Of course not, she spins an umbrella to shield her from the hot sun because she is a delicate lady.

>>51694311
Dimension Door shenanigans can be pretty fun, and by RAW you don't need dimensional agility to full attack after a dimension door provided you're using spell combat, since it's all part of the same fullround action.

Hexcrafter to stab people with curses

Eldritch Archer is fun but kind of just replaces shocking grasp with snowball

>>51694311

Dimension Door/Dimension Agility into Shocking Grasp.

Quickened Bladed Dash Shocking Grasp, Intensified Spell Shocking Grasp.

There are options, anon.

Really, though, just look up the guides in the pastebin. Also, SoP Magus.

>>51694083
Isn't that because it's physically painful?

>>51693634
Valwryia

Goddess of subtle bustyness

>>51694311
Snowball spam on ranged magus, bladed dash for magus-pounce, hexcrafter for flight and slumber spam, not to mention having a familiar to demoralize/coup de grace/magic missile wand spam.
Also there's enforcer/cornugon smash + rime frostbite which inflicts fatigue, entangled, and shaken all at once.

>>51694311
It's a class that has a cool set of mechanics, but is just poorly put together. I still stand by the claim that Pool Strike should have been a core feature, with a "lesser" version that could be used at no cost. Unfortunately Paizo will never go fix their shit, so suck it up faggot. Spheres will also never just remake the entire class because "mageknight totally does it!" and "the spheres archetype works fine!", even though they aren't.

Aside from that? You're going to be stuck using most spells for what little utility you can squeeze out. Bladed Dash/Storm Step are pretty cool, but Shocking Grasp is so depressingly core it's not even funny. Frostbite/Chill are memes, anything with a Saving Throw that can't be repeatedly applied to a target at little cost is a joke, and your weapon selection is laughable.

>>51694335
I said highly modified. In the same veign for mammals, the mammary glands are also originally highly modified sebacious glands (hence why monotremes secrete milk from a skin patch, rather than a nipple)

A spinnerette is actually composed of dozens of small spigot-shaped glands that each produce a single thread of protein. The spider controls the number and amount each spigot produces, then weaves them into different kinds of strands of varying composition and thickness.

As such spider silk doesn't actually come out in strands, but rather really fine ropes of braided protein strands

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>>51693634
Lameeka, patron goddess of kobolds, alchemy, and tail rubs

>>51694436

One day I'll get my GM to homebrew up a way to turn my fist/hand into a Keen weapon. Then I can be Domon.

>>51692766
I want to see more of the Tian continents.
You had the cool Dragon Empire book that introduced a whole bunch of them and I think they've only really detailed Minkai.
Which is the easiest as it seems heavily influenced by Japanese culture.

>>51694396

Valeriya's busty?

>>51694436
The Gish book is going to have a SoM/SoP hybrid archetype for the Magus.

>>51694531
It's hard to see but she's obviously stacked

>>51694094
>yfw sage will never be finished

>>51694468

>Tail rub while she's presenting herself to the guy

Lewd

>>51694548
>hard to see
>obvious
Which is it?

>>51694606

He's saying it's difficult to make out at first, but when you notice it she's very clearly stacked.

>>51694606

Id venture a guess and say that she compresses her bust so when she is in vigilante mode she can let it hang out and not draw attention to her self

>>51694042
>funniest
Seht losing an argument with his horse.

>cutest
Casimir hiding his smile behind his cup of tea and Valeriya drinking from her bottle to hide the fact that she was blushing.

>>51694723

Shouldn't it be the other way around, since everyone knows Valeriya has a large chest?

Don't you guys have an IRC or something for this shit, jesus.

>>51693703
>only picks the ones with cute anime girl art

>>51694851
We don't want this circlejerk in the IRC, thanks.

If you have a limited budget and lets say you are quite equipment dependant due to being some sort of fightman or gish, which should be the priority anyway?

Armor? Weapons? Utility/Protective magic items?

>>51694899

Armor, weapon, magic.

In that order.

>>51694899
Depends on build but generally getting your weapon to +1 and then wondrous items.

>>51694899
Weapon first, then magical utility, then mundane utility, then armor.

Are there any sorcerer bloodlines which grant Rogue Talents?

>>51694392
It's the same reason why human women that are lactating feel better once their kid is drinking; the milk really hurts when it's being stored-up, and it contains certain endorphins that help ease the process.

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>>51694937
No, and there aren't any Sorcerer archetypes that do it either.

What Rogue Talents do you want? Maybe we can find a way to make a Sorcerer with equivalent abilities.

Seriously though why is this general such garbage?

>>51694993
Prescient Dodger from SoP.

I want to get it on a Reincarnated Master Incanter||Zweihander Sentinel gestalt (Scarlet Throne Stylin' to get ZS bennies while 1 handing), figured stealing it from from a Sorc. Bloodline would be the easiest way.

>>51693852
>>51695029
Because you touch yourself at night

>>51694875
Is that true? I didn't really look at the art, except the first one had art that really put me off.

>>51695033
You could dip one of the SoP rogue archetypes, or Hedgewitch with the tradition which allows you to take rogue talents. OR, you could dip Entropic Sage Hedgewitch, OR you could dip Symbiat.

>>51695029
This whole general has been built up by consistent shitposters and used as a bitching forum for games off-site. What do you expect? It's garbage because half the posters are garbage.

>>51694907
>>51694915
>>51694926
Hm, whats the logic being followed here?

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>>51695033
Which book was it in, and what does it do?

>>51695029
Because the people who complain aren't actually any better than the things they're complaining about.

>>51695116
It's Spheres of Power and it gives you your highest mental stat to AC when unarmored.

What's your favorite girls-only class or archetype?

>>51695087
Eh, if I do that, I might as well dip Hidden Blade on the ZS Side.

>>51695116
Spheres of Power, not sure the book; I use the Wiki. Gives you Monk AC Bonus with your preferred mental stat.

>>51695130
Scaling as a monk (So, +1 for every 4 levels on top of that).

>>51695104
+1 Weapon comes first short of anything but a cloak of resistance +1 at very low levels so you can pierce DR/Magic and so that incorporeals don't ignore your attacks.

>>51695117
I dunno man have you seen all the cow fetish shit in this thread?

>>51695104
Magic weapon to bypass DR/magic, wondrous items to build up your role and/or ways to resist death that aren't your AC (miss percentage, saves boosting, etc)

Armor's pretty much your last line of defense.

>>51695156
It's not shit anon. That's a different fetish, I think.

>>51692827
It's a rad place. My character's waifu lives there. They'll probably both live there after the wedding, at least until they find a nice place in the country somewhere

>>51695156
>Cow fetish
>It's just gigantic boobs

Anon, I'm not entirely sure big boobs can be considered a fetish. That's basic protohuman, brain-stem-level sexual attraction.

>>51695104
Weapon is most important, because in PF with how both initiative and numbers scale up its better to kill the enemy first before they attack you.
Magical items because they can be useful for either in combat boons or out of combat utility, as well as with dealing with different types of problems, or just increasing stats
Nonmagic items are just good sense to have. You will always need rope, chalk, pens, flour, a sack, and often these things can give you a much more economical alternative to some minor magical aid.
Armor is last because, honestly, armor doesn't scale well in this game and just isn't as useful as the other stuff

>>51695156
>implying we aren't just having fun with an old meme
You must have hated old /tg/

>>51695195
Definitely a cow theme though. And basically any fetish posting is cancer as far as I care.

>>51695213
fuck off. Its your mindset that's the reason why /pfg/ is so fetishy. Things used to be normal back when we had /wst/ and semi-regular monstergirl threads as a containment and outlet. Then you spergs showed up, fucked everything for everyone, and caused people to spill out and fester in ther degeneracy in unrelated topics and generals

So my character for Wrath of the Raunchy is one of the thousands of children orphaned during the goblin blood wars and raised in an asmodean orphanage there after.

However I realized that the goblin blood wars take place in 4697. Wrath of the Righteous is set in 4713 AR. That means my character is not very old.

So let's say he has been in was orphaned early in the Goblin Blood war, that would give him 16 years in the Asmodean Church.

So if he was orphaned as an infant that actually makes him too young to be a cleric (17 being the minimum age).

What is a good age for him to have been orphaned? Perhaps set him up alongside several other kids/individuals who were orphaned. The character is also a tiefling, so he wouldn't have been exactly popular as a child.

I considered the following characters to feature in his backstory on the assumption he was orphaned at the age of 5:
>weird homeless man in their community who turned out to be a aged mercenary, saved the young character from goblinoids
>best friend, male human, also followed him into the Asmodean church and became an inquisitor to character's cleric
>possible younger sister who he saved during the goblinblood conflict (grabbed her and was told to run by his parents)

These would be the pre-orphaning individuals important to his life. Then the character is taken into an orphanage ran by The Sisters of the Golden Erinyes.

(1/2)

>>51695265
The idea is that the character proved himself clever and ended up being sent, along with other promising orphans, to more centralized Asmodean churches back in Cheliax for more detailed training. I was thinking of having his sister become a Sister of the Golden Erinyes, but am not yet sure of the idea.

Now the rest of his important NPCs would be his post-orphaned life and be:
>Elderly Asmodean cleric
>Hellknight drill instructor, member of the Order of the Scourge
>2-3 other student besides his best friend who were among the chosen faith militant
>one of them a well to do Chelaxian merchant's son
>the other two relatively poor Chelaxians who entered the church as home grown faithful

Now, between these now 8 back story characters I think my character has enough relevant characters. Now for conflicts. I am thinking since he was trained by a member of the Order of the Scourge having his level 1-3 adventure be chasing after a criminal. Possibly a serial killer plaguing where ever he was being trained, or possibly less sinister than that, but I like serial killers as antagonists. Would hunting down a serial killer with the help of other trainees and his instructor be an adequate level 1-3 mission?

I think as a whole sets him up rather well as entering into Wrath of the Righteous.

Thoughts?

(2/2)

>>51695264
>say fetish posting is cancer
>I'm somehow the one enabling it
Sure thing buddy.

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>>51695213
>cow print bikini and fake horns is cancerous fetishposting

you are like little baby, watch THIS

>>51695291
>>51695265
Just have 2 characters in your background, there's no chance that all of them are going to make an appearance.

So what games are recruiting with rules amenable to /pfg/'s preferred flavor of the month?

>>51695291
>>51695265
I realized I may not have communicated this well. Wrath of the Righteous begins with the World Wound incursion, something the Asmodean chuch cares a great deal about. The character would have been sent as an Asmodean representative to scope out the problem.

>>51695142

They don't exist and I hope they never do, Paizo took the only male-only gay-exclusive feat chain from us because they refuse to commit and that was terrible.

>>51695335
Well furries are pretty bad but that's honestly not nearly as fetishy as the previous stuff.

>>51695338
I normally put more to give the GM's to pick and choose who they want to include rather than only having a 1-2 to include.

>>51695202
>>51695157
>>51695151
Does it apply even at the low level of L3? That said, my luck has been superbad recently because the dicebot my group is using seems to be actively trying to spite me

>>51695335
Man that's pretty alright. The kitsune art that paizo actually gets is, to their credit, pretty dang nice.

You say 'augunas ideal', but it's clearly not.

>>51695325

You really are, the threads have never been this bad when the "lewd" threads were around and it was tolerated.

But now your kind came along and enforced a No Fun Allowed policy that has given the entire board a case of blue balls, and every time some of that repressed sexual rage squirts out you act like the innocent.

You're everything wrong with this thread and site, go back to ribbit if you need a safe space.

>>51695325
>not knowing your board history and how it has become what it is now
Fuck off you drooling puritan newfag

>>51695395
its especially true at level 3, since your still in the rustydagger shanktown

>>51695372
There are stats for sergalss

>>51695432
Buddy I never said anything about any other threads. I wouldn't really care if there were dedicated lewd threads. Also there are other generals that don't suffer from this nearly as badly, so this hardly seems like a problem that can be blamed on general board history.

>>51695451
Being a furry and being THAT much of a tremendous faggot are actually separate, you know.

Hey /pfg/, I know some of you guys are Fire Emblem fans. I've never played any of the games before, which is a good one to start with?

>>51695512
Well that's one of the most irrelevant questions ever.

Play the GBA ones, fuck all the others.

Now scoot scoot. We have boobs to argue about.

>>51695512
Awakening if you're a fucking loser. Otherwise basically any that have been released worldwide except Radiant Dawn work fine.

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>>51695512
Start with the GBA ones. They all have english versions, even if one of them is unofficial.

>>51694768
>Seht losing an argument with his horse.
How does that even work?

>>51695564
Man, 2D FE crit animations sure were alot more fantastic to watch compared to 3D ones

>>51695372
>>51695424
My apologies, I couldn't find the image I actually wanted. This will have to do, though.

>>51695564
>>51695541
>>51695532
Cool. Blazing Sword it is.

>>51695512
Start with Shadow Dragon, like god intended.

jesus christ don't actually do that. Start with Binding Blade or Sacred Stones, then play the other. Awakening is pretty good but it's the sort of really easy entry level stuff that paradoxically makes getting into the other games harder.

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>>51695565
The same way these two did it.

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>>51695585
>they will never do anything remotely like these animations again
>there are people that actually bitched about the GBA games not doing "run up and slap eachother" fight animations

really saddens my senses

>>51695642
Not furry, but if a cow motif turns you on that's still pretty degen.

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>>51695841
By your logic bunny suits, which are about as vanilla as you can get, are also degen because it has rabit motifs

Wow, you are either retarded, you some kind of puritan straight out of bumfuck nowhere New England

>>51695905
Why does a cow motif turn you on? It's because you want to fuck cows. Q.E.D.

>>51695915
Everything is sex except for sex. Sex is boring

>>51695915
>avoiding answering the question
>projecting
Congrats anon, you are a greater cancer than the furries. Thanks for confirming you don't understand how sexy clothing works and that you think the most vanilla things ever are degenerate

>>51695915
Shit, when did Freud start playing pathfinder

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>>51695944
You got a point. Here, have a peace offering.

>>51695960
When Occult Adventures came out.

>>51695962
What am I even looking at

>>51695962
>tries to cover his ass by posting an unrelated ironic insult image
>said image is completetly out of focu and no one can even tell what the fuck it is.

Oh, you sure show'd me there. Watch out everyone, we got ourselves the greatest internet badass with the hugest dick ever. Watch out, he'll start talking about his time he was in the Navy SEALS.

>>51695960
I don't know, but I'm sure they'll manage to fit him into an AP sometime soon. They've already hinted at Tesla via Rasputin Must Die!, so they're definitely going to try and bait for more nerd money by pretending they're science-savvy.

>>51696003
I'm pretty sure that's the cow shitting from Conker's Bad Fur Day. This is right before you enter the level with the Great Mighty Poo, if I remember correctly.

The literal shitposter should fuck off, though

>>51695565

Horses are big dumb goofballs.

Seht is a clever young man that takes things way too seriously.

You can see where there might be conflict.

>>51696059
>How does it feel to be a knight with your masterwork full plate and ancestral masterwork great sword and have your shit pushed in by a literal caveman covered in his own shit and someone else's blood with a +3 great club?
what did he mean by this?

>>51695785
>mfw we lost these for shitty 3D standarized model animations
At least the console versions had some decent stuff, but the 3DS games have terrible quality in that department.

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>>51695915
>Why does a cow motif turn you on?
Because the cows are culturally and symbolically linked to qualities of bountifulness and servileness, which when associated with a hot girl wearing their cow-pattern clothes invokes those desirable traits and associates them with the girl wearing the lingerie in question.
Seriously anon, do you even understand how provacative imagry and lingerie even work you uber prude? Its the same way how cat ears are worn by girls to evoke qualities of playfulness and cutesyness, or why countries put animals like eagles and lions on their flags, why Yakuza have tattoos of dragons and demons on their backs, or why even normal clothes will have animal motifs on them.

Its all about metaphor, and trying to evoke qualities and traits culturally associated with the thing in question. Anyone who isn't an autist that's unable to understand metaphor should be able to understand this

>last thread
>DHB comes with idea
>guy shitposts about naruto for literally 4 hours
>shitposts about how the execution of a class that isn't designed yet
>DHB for some reason keeps answering him
Fucking hell if that wasn't a shit thread. I don't understand why DHB keeps replying to people like that. It could have been solved with ignoring him.

>>51696114
It's pretty simple. DHB realizes he's going to either be shitposted at or ignored. If he gets shitposted at he can either respond or ignore it. Only one of these paths results in him discussing his class.

>>51692956
>better than swashbuckler and bloodrager
>better than the BRAWLER

newfag detected

How does it feel to be a knight with your masterwork full plate and ancestral masterwork great sword and have your teeth kicked in by a literal caveman covered in his own shit and someone else's blood with a +3 great club?

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>>51695915
>Why does a cow motif turn you on?

Well anon, if you're asking that question we have to consider the connotations of the cow motif, namely that the cow is ubiquitous to the countryside and country girls are famously known to be large-chested and damn proud of it (country fed and all that, hell it's even an old joke in France about the "provincial" girls.) Cows are also calm, placid creatures that are nonetheless quite friendly and excitable when given reason to be, and are known to be huge milk producers.

What this all means is that the cow motif gives us the mental image of a friendly, down-to-earth country girl with huge breasts and obvious enjoyment when they're emphasized or focused on. People like cow motifs because it's associated with large breasts and the opportunity to ogle or fondle them, which most people like because large breasts are great.

>>51696135
That's kind of sad. I mean some people did talk about the class, and he said he liked their ideas like the parasite, ghost, and disease binding

>>51696114
Because DHB is pretty autistic. Granted, that's not a bad thing, afterall its because of his autism he's able to constantly make so much content all the time. However, because of it he lacks the basic ability to understand when people aren't actually interested in his work and are instead just spoiling for an internet fight and shiposting. So he keeps thinking their about to make some sort of point for him to understand, or that he can correct them if their wrong, without realizing that he's being led around by the nose.

Basically, the autism the lets him make content is just too prone to backfire in social situations, and the shitposters are aware of that, so they exploit him for (You)s

>>51696139
>swashbuckler
lel
>bloodrager
If only they hadn't released Primalist in the same book.
>brawler
Sure, give up everything that monk and fighter have that make them anything other than GOODFIGHTMAN.

If you had said Investigator or Skald then maybe you could have had a serious conversation.

What are some good types and amounts of hirelings for a desert adventure in Osirion? How many is too many?

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>>51693634

Freyda, draconic goddess of intellect

Domains of mind, magic , and guilty pleasures.

Astarte godess of body modification

Domains of self improvement, magic and technology

Atolm god of ego

Domains, illusion, time, strength w/o size

>>51696218
>goddess of intellect
>Anything "intellect" coming from ERP games

>>51696228
Strange that a game where zero sex is allowed to happen qualifies as erp

>>51696194
As much as you can afford camels or horses (depending on if its long or short advanture), and can affordable pack provisions for.

3-5 is good. You'll need a navigator, someone to care for the animals, someone who can read the sands and the winds, someone to organize what you pack, and chances are someone who's a specialist on the area you are going to and the peoples you'll encounter on the way there.

Additional numbers and types depend on the type of adventure and the reason for going into the desert.

>>51696194
Two or three dozen qt Yerbira slave girls.

>>51696218
> guilty pleasures

W-what are they?

>>51696303

He's listed them many times before - sex, food, drugs, sex, naps, alcohol, and sex.

>>51695147
>Eh, if I do that, I might as well dip Hidden Blade on the ZS Side.
Thing about dipping a spherecaster is that their casting is added onto your first spherecasting source rather than being tracked seperately. So the two-level sphere-rogue dip is more like a two-level dip in a prestige class where one level advances the casting of a base class, instead of Hidden Blade Rogue which does track its initiating separately from Warder.

>>51696384
No that's Freyda's mother Queen Lua Culdranth.

>>51696410

Like mother like daughter, all citizens of the Demesne are hedonistic sluts.

>>51696408
Yeah, but I'd rather not delay the Reincarnation ability if it can be avoided.

>>51696426
Well that's fair, then.

How would you feel about a class feature that gives you a Su reincarnation ability that, when you can die, you can trigger yourself to reincarnate and influence the d100 outcome by up to twice your CL (meaning at level 20 you could swing up or down by 40). It would be available starting at level 3, but be cheaper than reincarnate. However they have to decide to do it the round after they die, if they wait it doesn't trigger.

It would take an 8 hour ritual to set up so you can't just do it over and over again, but be half costed to reincarnate.

>>51696252
Makes sense. Unlike your comprehensive foundation. There's six PCs and we're looking for a tomb based upon vague directions from ancient texts.

>>51696287
My character is morally opposed to the institution of slavery, being of Andoran extraction. We could definitely employ some qts though.

>>51696490
Even at 8 hours, I see no downside.

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>>51696519
>Unlike

*I like. Ouch, need to edit my shit. Literally said the opposite of what I meant.

>>51696532
Would you be willing to spend something at the same opportunity cost as a Rage Power for this, if it came in a 2 rage power tree? What about an oracle revelation?

>>51696519
Yeah, the slave bit was silly, but getting a Yerbira guide is indispensable if you're planning on going out into the desert. They know where the oases are. And if you're getting a guide, might as well get a brown qt desert guide.

>>51696490
Using https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/reincarnated-druid as the baseline, I'd tell the player bringing that up to go fuck themselves.

>>51696573
Why?

>Harem game doesn't allow SoP.

Damn, there goes that idea.

>>51696570
But what if introducing a qt brown guide promotes conflict as the party members contend with one another for her affections?

>>51696611
Pick up a few more qt brown guides!

>>51696611

Conflict is good, it begets roleplay and character interactions as each tries to outdo the other.

And hey, if the DM sees someone is clearly losing the Brownbowl than he'll just introduce another girl more finely tuned to that player's kinks.

Which Hellknight order would be most interested in closing The Worldwound?

>>51696537
>>51696519
Its okay, thanks for the correction though, that means a lot to me.

Anywho, it looks like you're going to need to hire yourself some qt archeologist, and also have her set up a potential archeological excavation. Try to see if you can get her and a potential patron to help pay for and gather a whole excavation team. Said team would include provisions, beasts for transportation and labor, travel and local experts, translators, and such.

Basically, you want to find the Archeologist chick from The Mummy.

Yeah, just emulate The Mummy, and you'll be fine

>>51696664
Probably Order of the Nail, their thing is specifically "vs Chaos". More so than other Hellknight orders.

>>51696664

Pretty much all of them have a strong interest in closing that shit. Armies of demons running around is bad news for anyone who isn't a demon, and it's probably not so great for the average demon, all things considered.

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>>51694768
>Casimir hiding his smile behind his cup of tea and Valeriya drinking from her bottle to hide the fact that she was blushing.

>>51696714
Is there a list of the different organizations and forces who have come together to close The Worldwound during Wrath of the Righteous? It seems like it would be a massive international undertaking and it'd be silly for Iomedae to not take all the help she can get.

I know all the crusades originate in Mendevian, but it seems like the entirety of Avistan should be pouring resources into closing the big ole' demon hole.

>>51696727
I mean makes sense, but I was more pointing to Hellknight as a particular set of militant orders of international influence.

>>51696664
Any. Any of them would be interested. Issue is, the Worldwound is so far away from Cheliax that even the Hellknights are a bit "Ehh, we have more immediate issues at home."

>>51696665

Does alimony exist in Golarion?

>>51696751
Probably. I don't know which off-hand, but I assume there's probably something in the Campaign Setting book.

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>>51696664
Godclaw. They were founded by a Hellknight who got pissed his posses weren't fighting against the Worldwound, then went off to fight it himself alongside a party of other individuals, each one a divine servant of a different Laweful God, and a Sarkosian God-Caller. He then took his allies and formed his own Hellknight Order, combining their united beliefs and doctrine into a singular one, and dedicated the Order to fighting Demons and hunting the enemies of the Gods

>>51696752
>the Worldwound is so far away from Cheliax that even the Hellknights are a bit "Ehh, we have more immediate issues at home."

But anon, adventurers are exceptional. You should never be limited to playing a character from the region an AP takes place.

If he wants to play a Hellknight in Mendev, he can be a Chelaxian Hellknight. If he wants to play a Tian Kitsune, he can play a Tian Kitsune.

So in the The Black Company, from the novel series by the same name, there are three sorcerers of the company. One-eye, Goblin, and Silent. For those who are familiar with the series what level and class do you think you would pin to them?

Goblin and one-eye are mainly illusionists and enchanters by trade. Silent more seems to be something else but I am unsure what.

What about Ten Who The Taken? The Lady? The Dominator?

>>51696650
>>51696642
Good points. There's nothing to lose and everything to gain.

>>51696664
Order of the Gate might, since the fiends are particularly interested in keeping out demons. Order of the Wall is all about defenders, so that'd work. The crusade is a coalition effort, which fits Godclaw. Order of the Torrent is a rather generic Good Guy Order, so that'd work. Pyre is against corruption.

So yeah, that's my list. Gate, Wall, Godclaw, Torrent, Pyre. The rest aren't focused on stopping demons.

>>51696752
>Issue is, the Worldwound is so far away from Cheliax that even the Hellknights are a bit "Ehh, we have more immediate issues at home."
see >>51696775
Godclaw has historically been an aid to the crusade, especially the Iomedean members of the Order

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>>51696665
Rachel Weisz is a high-tier qt. This sounds like a winning plan!

>>51696753
I'm sure in Qadira there's some kind of Double Alimony

>>51696777
I'm not opposed to the idea. I'm saying why the Hellknights and for that matter, any other nation's military faction, isn't in full representation at the Worldwound, something that threatens all of them! ...but not immediately. It's a can that's getting kicked down the road.
>>51696805
Yes the Godclaw are made for that reason, but I'm saying in general about the group as a whole.

>>51696775
>>51696805

And then the Reclamation broke into their house and stole their shit.

>>51696752
More it seems like the Worldwound in particular would be something that the Asmodean Church would be concerned with.

Also reading the article on the Mendevian Crusades apparently mercenary companies, armies, religious orders, etc. from all over Avistan pour into Mendevian each time the crusades are called.

>>51696775
I like it. However wasn't the order of the Godclaw destroyed by Iomedae?

>>51696772
I'll look into it more.

>>51696801
Sounds good.

>>51696831

Paizo's fine with showing Lawful Good groups as being hypocritical assholes.

>>51696824
If mom and dad divorce, mom gets the daughters, dad gets the sons. Dad has to pay for his daughters, sons have to pay their mom.

>>51696841

Which is kind of stupid, because that's not what good alignments are about.

I don't get Paizo's whole stance that Chaotic Good is somehow inherently MORE good than Lawful Good.

>>51696827
>I'm not opposed to the idea. I'm saying why the Hellknights and for that matter, any other nation's military faction, isn't in full representation at the Worldwound, something that threatens all of them! ...but not immediately. It's a can that's getting kicked down the road.
Specifically in the article on the crusades it says military orders, mercenary companies, adventurers, profiteers, religious groups, and everything all bum rush Mendevian when the crusades are called. People at the world wound should be every alignment that isn't CE and all seeking to close it for various reasons. Heck, CE crusaders could be there as well as long as they aren't demon worshippers. The crusades represent the efforts of three continents all desperately trying to stem the tide.

>>51696837
>However wasn't the order of the Godclaw destroyed by Iomedae?

Yes, however Hell's Vengeance takes place 4-5 years after Wrath of the Righteous.

APs are assumed to take place in the corresponding year they are released, and it's currently 4717 AR in Golarion.

>>51696855
JUST

>>51696837
>However wasn't the order of the Godclaw destroyed by Iomedae?
I don't count Hell's Rebels/Vengeance as canon, especially since they made their Lictor an Asmodean despite the fact in every other source he's listed as an ardent Abadarite.
Plus its written like shit, and makes Iomedae come off as someone who is completely fine with her own followers killing eachother over artifacts that don't even belong to her

>>51693634

Corwin Brin

The Laughing Knight

God of Laughter, Celebration, War, and Loss

Domains: Chaos (Revelry), Glory (Heroism), Luck, War

Also I would like to point to the fact that the idea of the efforts of an entire continent pouring into the crusade for duty, glory, and profit is far more interesting than "it's just Iomedaen worshipers".

>>51696841

Iomedae and her followers do seem to get a lot of stupid writing thrown their way.

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>>51696875
>I don't get Paizo's whole stance that Chaotic Good is somehow inherently MORE good than Lawful Good.

I don't think you get it, anon.

Lawful is the alignment of squares. Lawful is the alignment that leads to the death of independence, the death of freedom, the death of thought. Lawful is Trump passing misogynist bigoted Islamophobic hateful transphobic laws. Lawful is the police officer shooting a black man who tried to run from a crime scene because he knew he'd be arrested. Lawful is mom and dad telling you to go to bed early and not smoke with your friends even though marijuana is healthy and should be LEGAL FUCK YOU.

Chaotic is freedom. Chaotic is the daring youth living life to the fullest. Chaotic is the hero, going outside societal norms to embrace what is truly worth something in this world of drudgery and gray. Chaotic is the artist. The thinker. The dreamer. The one who asks "Why" when the whole world screams at them to submit. Chaotic is righteous rebellion against authority.

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>>51696932

Don't you have homework due tomorrow?

>>51696875
It's especially silly because if anything NG is the most good - forsaking both principal and freedom in the pursuit of more good.

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>>51696218
God of being His own gift to women more like it.

Ego? That would be arrogant. And there's no way I'd have a flaw like *that*

>>51696950
>he doesn't live in the northeast
>he has school tomorrow

Sucks to be you, I guess.

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>>51696924
Iomedae is the Lightning of of Pathfinder

>>51693634
>Name
Ricktor Watt
>Titles
NToRacle, Memelord, The Twisted Serpent
>Portfolio
Curses, Unrequited Love, Obsession, NTR, Fortune
>Domains
Chaos, Charm, Trickery, Luck
>Subdomains
Love, Deception, Curse
>Favored Weapon
Dagger
>Favored Animal
Ameiko

>>51696951

You'd think. Law and Chaos both obviously have a ton of problems, but if you take only what's useful from them and focus on being good, that is obviously the most good of the good alignments.

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>>51693634
>Gisae
>Alignment: Neutral
>Titles: The Shieldmaiden, The Arcing Shield, The Splintered Shield
>Portfolio: Senseless sacrifices, efforts with more heart than practicality, martyrdom, defense
>Domains: Protection, Magic, Darkness, Glory
>Subdomains: Defense, Arcane, Loss, Heroism
>Favored Weapon: Light Shield
>Symbol: A round shield embossed with a five-pointed star
>Sacred Animal: Turtle
>Sacred Colors: Brown, Green

>>51696932
O HAI JJ

>>51696963
NE is getting fucked right now. I was gonna have our first session tomorrow and then nature waltzes in like it has every right to, don't punish us more Mother

>>51696920
>Also I would like to point to the fact that the idea of the efforts of an entire continent pouring into the crusade for duty, glory, and profit is far more interesting than "it's just Iomedaen worshipers".

>The efforts of an entire continent focused on fighting a glorious crusade against the endless demonic hordes
>We meet none of those. We don't get ethnic differences, we don't get international unity, we don't get language barriers and we most certainly don't get culture clash.
>All we meet is a gay trans couple, a gay couple, and another gay couple.

Wowee, Etsubatsu.

>>51696963
Go shovel the driveway, boy.

>>51696964

I don't play that much Final Fantasy. How bad are we talking?

>>51696999
Jokes on you, my truck has a plow attachment.

>>51696932
Actually, the one that goes "NO. YOU MOVE." when told to... Is Captain America. And he's an incarnation of LG.

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>>51696932
>Paizo's ideal of Chaotic Good, and the Most Good is, unironically, Sovereign Citizens.
It makes so much sense

>>51696964
Except Lightning was hot.

>>51697055
>he doesn't have a trumpet fetish
DOOT

>>51697039

Is he still a Secret Hydra Agent And Always Has Been, Now and Forever, No Takebacks, We Swear On Our Mum? Or did they resolve that?

>>51697022
An insufferable character who started off first as just slightly annoying and preachy, then was elevated to Director's Waifu, and was given more sequal games that are all about people sucking her lady dick going "OMG you are Teh Greatest and bestest!"

She's essentially a female version of Kirito from Sword Art Online

>>51697055
Fang and Nabaht were hotter

>>51696995
>Wowee, Etsubatsu.
And I would like to point out this is against the actual fucking articles about the crusade.
>The Mendevian Crusaders are less organized than other knightly orders, united primarily by their desire to eliminate the expansion of demons from the Worldwound. Not all of its members are selfless and honorable, but many epitomize true courage. Sheer desperation for able-bodied warriors causes the order to take shining knightly followers of Iomedae as well as lowly glory-seekers, ruffians, profiteers, and other undesirables.
They need every fucking body they can get.

>Because the crusaders are such a diverse group, however, hailing from all over the Inner Sea region, many companies have retained the symbols of their homeland. This means that any crusader stronghold is a riot of colors, with streamers and banners from hundreds of clans, counties, kingdoms, families, and orders competing for room
We never fucking see this. We never see the thousand of orders. What a cool fucking scene it would have been to have the leaders of a hundred different orders shouting in a war parliament.

The fucking crusades are the kind of events that give birth to Hero Kings, hell they talk about people who go there specifically to do this.
>Some even create orders or noble titles out of whole cloth for themselves, hoping to elevate their status within the armies of the crusades, since it is impossible for the heralds of Iomedae to check the authenticity and provenance of every newcomer's claim.
Why couldn't have there been someone trying to establish himself as a hero king in the orders.


>http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Mendevian_Crusades

I have no problem, ZERO fucking problem with Iomedaen forces being the top of the ladder, but not seeing the crusades portrayed as they are described if a fucking travesty.

>>51696786
Entirely different magic system not compatible with vancian casting. If you want a better answer, you can try looking at the d20 black company book.

>>51697100
>you can try looking at the d20 black company book.
I tried to find one and found like 3 settings books. Am I just blind?

I also thought perhaps Black Company magic was more compatible with Spheres Casting with people like The Taken having Advanced Talents.

>>51696877
I'm aware of the article because I read it as I made the listing for WotRaunchy. Gosh darn. Maybe I'm running with how I've interpreted things in the world, which would be relevant to the game in that case, where in the world is certainly all represented there in one way or another.. it's just also very exhausted group. The crusades have been devastating for anyone on the lines yet easily ignored if you were never in the area.

It's not even worth counting how many people died for the planet at this point, it's generally assumed that when the demons push against the lines, it's a slaughter house. This is the point where you're going to see people pull out and get away with the war torn lives they have left while patting the new kids on the back and saying,"Good luck." Cynical attitudes about their situation isn't uncommon, and it's not as quick to be shot down by the righteously devoted because everyone is so goddamn tired of the fighting, yet they're going to persevere somehow. It's a war of attrition for mind and body with the toll rising even when no one dies. From the outside, it looks like a stalemate. Looking in, you see people exhausted of war against a seemingly unending foe from an infinite plane, and you see demons who feed on this loss. It's a losing battle that's at a snail's pace.

This isn't to say no one cares, but you have to understand after four crusades, people are getting doubtful of when it will all end, those who can't find hope for themselves are slowly bleeding it off because the demons are still there right on the border. And this is where the players will make or break the Crusades whether they wish it or not.

>>51697076
They made it so that he was essentially just pretending you guys, really.

(I think it was like, mind control or something)

>>51697055
Son, I'll have you know that Iomedae is a rough beast in the sack

>>51697177
t. Asmodeus

>>51697114
>I'm aware of the article because I read it as I made the listing for WotRaunchy. Gosh darn. Maybe I'm running with how I've interpreted things in the world, which would be relevant to the game in that case, where in the world is certainly all represented there in one way or another.. it's just also very exhausted group. The crusades have been devastating for anyone on the lines yet easily ignored if you were never in the area.
Run it how you please. I'm just saying that as it is written in WotR the crusades are portrayed in an extremely boring light.

>It's not even worth counting how many people died for the planet at this point, it's generally assumed that when the demons push against the lines, it's a slaughter house. This is the point where you're going to see people pull out and get away with the war torn lives they have left while patting the new kids on the back and saying,"Good luck."
Even more reason for the group to be diverse, because they need fresh bodies.

>Looking in, you see people exhausted of war against a seemingly unending foe from an infinite plane, and you see demons who feed on this loss. It's a losing battle that's at a snail's pace.
Except that WotR turns the snails pace into a slide towards the end. Everything is WotR is about a quickening of events. This also means that powerful indivudals from around the world would pour in as events change. Information in Golarion among anyone with class levels travels quickly and powerful people even quicker because of teleport, alchemical dragons, tree stride, shadow walk, and move. Those of any significant level who want to cross a continent can in little to no time, and certainly would if it looked like the hammer blow was about to fall on either side.

>>51697207
He's saving himself for Sarenrae, Anon

>>51697177
>>51697207
We all know that Papa Asmo has boned Iomedae, and that Iomedae was so bitter about her one night stand that she formed the glorious reclamation.

Also papa asmo is one of the few gods who can make the rough beast claim and mean it, only like 6 actually fought it face up.

>>51697213
Are you implying he hasn't already boned Sarenrae, they have known each other for over 10,000 years. Heck he probably diddled her while she still worked for his brother.

>>51697114
The major reason the Crusades haven't been completely wrecked by infinite demons is that the major cities are protected by artifact-tier magic that completely prevents demons from entering the cities. Anti-demon tech is so prevalent in the game that really the reason the crusades haven't won yet is the literal infinite number of demons and the fact that the Worldwound itself is lethal.

>>51697208
>they need fresh bodies
O-oh my

>>51693634

>Name
Casimir Aldori
>Titles
The Bladed Brush, The Sword of Creation, The Sword-Dancer
>Portfolio
Artistry, Swordsmanship, Veterans
>Worshipers
Artists, Veterans, Duelists
>Domains
Artifice, Community, Luck, Glory, War
>Subdomains
Construct, Home, Imagination, Legend, Duels
>Favored Weapon
Dueling Sword
>Favored Animal
Dog

Holy symbol: A slash of red paint against a white canvas in the vague shape of a dueling sword.

>>51697241
Sarenrae could. She's the only one man enough to have actually fought it, unlike bitch boy Asmodeus who relied on trickery and other sodomitical techniques. Maybe Sarenrae fucked Iomedae.

>>51697114
>>51697208
Also to speak to it. Anyone who is sane knows that it isn't an issue that can be kicked down the road. Once mendevian falls and the world wound is complete Avistan, as a whole, is pretty much over.

The failures of the world wound crusades, if anything should cause more countries sending official support and cause less opportunists to head that way. Basically as things go more desperate actual organized support will head that way rather than individuals.

Because if the World Wound is complete then it'll turn into something similar to The Moon Scar, something most nations are aware of existing.

>>51697248
Exactly!

>>51697090

Too bad they went for the other kind of diversity for that campaign, anon.

Oh well!

>>51697288
We know that during the battle with the rough beast Sarenrae survived fighting it while Asmodeus completed the puzzle box to seal him. However we know all the gods fought the Rough Beast at some point.

Also Papa Asmo and Iomedae are former co workers, just like Papa Asmo and Sarenrae are former co workers. I think Papa Asmo just bones his secretaries.

>>51697241
Asmodeus, Sarenrae, Dou-Bral, Torag, Erastil, Gozreh, Desna, Dahak, and Apsu. I'm probably forgetting someone.

>>51697327
>>51697241
Oh, and Abadar.

>>51697327
Abadar, he assisted in the construction of the Puzzle Box. Pharasma was also there.

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Hey all, the second SoM playtest game is still up for new players, so go check it out!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/68933/som-playtest-2-the-trilogy

>>51697320
Iomedae never worked with Asmodeus. Your old canon is gone. Read Inner Sea Gods. She is stated as having nothing to do with him, full stop. Not even a polite chat. Now she has always desired the fall of House Thrune. Her new canon priorities are Worldwound, Cheliax, then the World

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>>51696994
>every right to
Did she have any right to leave us unfinished?

>>51697377
I like the idea that the retcon is very pointedly on the side of Iomedae covering it up. I mean she did destroy the entire order about them working together.

>>51697399
Those dudes were mad heretical and Asmodeus is a self-obsessed jerk who needs to get Aroden'ed.

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Anyone know a good place to find a play by post group? Or are in one that could use another player? I've been looking for weeks but nothing seems to fit. Any suggestions would be great, thanks.

>>51697377
I don't know how Iomedae expects to win if she actually comes into direct conflict with Asmodeus. I don't mean his worshipers, but the man himself.

His resume is just a bit too much better than hers:
>Iomedae
Some mortal tart who touched The Starstone.
>Asmodeus
The first of the gods, namer of all things.
>Iomedae
Sent mortal champions to close the World Wound
>Asmodeus
Forged an alliance between the gods and tricked Rovagug, The Rough Beast, the Devourer of Worlds into it where he has been trapped since.
>Iomedae
Cried after Aroden died
>Asmodeus
Commander and victor of The War In Heaven, where he slew his brother in the first act of treachery, The First Betrayal.

Again, Asmodeus is FAR more impressive to look at than Iomedae.

>>51697422
>self obsessed
>has been shown multiple times to make sacrifices and forge alliances between the gods against greater threats

>>51697446
>Anyone know a good place to find a play by post group?

Check out Myth-Weavers, it's the go-to spot for PbP.

Even has a built-in dice roller and sheet system.

How successful can party made of martials, with no casters, be?

>>51697502

Very successful, depending on the martials and campaign.

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>Wrath of the Righteous: Battlefield
>https://youtu.be/9xIe1tPtyAk
>A SuperAP
>Is actually multiple campagins going on simultaneously, all happening in the same continuity
>Players encouraged to enter with characters from different militaries and knight orders, with the DM assigning groups and integrating the knight orders into the different campaigns based on the group.
>Every group goes on their own adventure, interacting with different groups of people, fulfilling different duties and missions in the Crusade.
>You may perfomr a Scouting Mission alongside the Molthuni Foriegn Legion, investigate occult activities with a contingent of Ustalavian Inquisitors, hunt down War Criminals with the Order of the Chain, aid the Red Mantis is assassinating the Hight Priest of Deskari, or escort from Magaambyan Scholars and Faceless to ancient Sarkosian ritual sites to reclaim their magic. The sky's the limit.
>As you adventure, each will face increasingly dangerous odds and the seals weakening, until all of a sudden, the borders will writhe with a massive demon assault.
>You soon gather all the allies, knowledge, and resources you've gained, and face a Helm's Deep Scenario.
>Afterwards, the High Command decides that they can't survive another assault, so all the groups come together for a final all-out assault.
>Huge Siege battle, with EVERYONE attacking the source of the corruption. Each party uses the plot devices and Macguffins they've gained through out the adventure to help the United Legion burst through the various obstacles and pierce further into the Heart of Darkness.
>Once they get to the Breech, Each party will nominate 1-2 people to be directly empowered by their different patrons and other atrefacts and things to launch themselves into the very Heart of the Worldwound, slay Deskari and any other Demonlords sitting there, and slay the Living Manifestation of the Worldwound itself.
I wish I knew how to GM and had the time to do this. Because now I want this.

>>51697502
Pretty successful.

>>51697502
Use Magic Device exists, so fine but still worse.

>>51697422
>>51697399
Also I really like the fact that Iomedae is the odd man out among the Godclaw deities, possibly Irori as well. Abadar, Torag, and Asmodeus have worked together in the past. Not only on the same side Twice, as the lawful deities in The Brothers War and in the fight against The Rough Beast, but also on the same project. The puzzle box that Rovagug is trapped in was conceptualized and constructed by the three of them.

Heck, the LG Torag, LN Abadar, and LE Asmodeus are some of the oldest and most powerful gods, and have worked together when the threat requires it.

Iomedae is just being a tantrum throwing toddler among the gods. If Aroden was here he'd slap her shit.

>>51697502
Depends on what the GM throws at them.

>>51697466
The whole point of Iomedae is that Righteous people can make a difference despite overwhelming odds. Asmodeus in all his power and glory will fall before the Hope and Conviction of the Just. His only chance is sincere repentance, which might earn him a swift execution. Even the Fall of Iomedae would just lead to another rising in her stead. Evil will fall.

>>51697502
It really depends on what you mean by that. Are alchemists and investigators casters? How about rangers and paladins? Can a rogue pick minor/major magic?

You're going to be worse off than a party with a 6th caster or two, but you can definitely make it work.

>>51697327
Wait, the CE god of destruction and dragons (Dahak) helped seal up Rovagug alongside not-Bahamut (Apsu)? That's actually pretty cool to know.

>>51697502
Depends

An Iron Caster Fighter, a RAGEPOUNCELANCE Barbarian, a Stygian Slayer, and a healing-focused Paladin /might/ be functional, but have some difficulty.

>>51697502
Depends on the campaign, and how much the GM makes things built around them

>>51697502
It depends. Wanda and shit are really handy, so get UMD up as soon as possible.

>>51697502
Depends on what you mean by no casters (are Alchemists allowed, for instance? What about Kineticists or Avowed? Paladins/Bloodragers/Rangers?) and by what enemies and challenges are thrown at the party to face against.

>>51697518
The best possible scene:
>the warriors of an entire continent marching as a final assault on The World Wound
>Warriors of every alignment, walk of life, color, creed, and ideal forged together into a force stretching from horizon to horizon
>As you assault the World Wound your gods fight Demon Lords in the air above your heads, deific clashes rending the earth asunder as you fight the endless tied of demons

>>51697535
Aroden was weak because he tolerated Evils that corrupted humanity and its realms.

>>51697545
Nobody likes Rubadub.

Hell, Tiamat'd probably have shown up if anyone gave her a call.

>>51697545
It's a facet of CE that isn't discussed very often, but most CE creatures hate other CE creatures. Rovagug was too strong, and Dahak wants to be the one to destroy everything, so he teamed up to delay Rovagug long enough to get his chance.

>>51697545
Neither of them wanted to get Rovafucked.

>>51697541
>tfw when that line about how Asmodeus feels nothing but solitude since his brother tied, and that Sarenrae may be the only deity he can relate to

Also the entire fact that Asmodeus has done much more for the world than Iomedae ever has.

Also Iomedae wouldn't be the first good deity that Asmodeus killed after they took a shot at him, she would actually be the weakest of the bunch.

Also the fact that Asmodeus has been shown to be able to compromise and work towards the world's continued existence rather than its destruction.

>>51697518
So, living world or just 5-6 games running simultaneously?

>>51697591
Pretty sure that Queen Culdranth is .06% Tiamat

>>51697649
This is the kind of thing that Living World games were made for.

>>51697647
>>51697541
Also the fact that Asmodeus helped found a nation where he is worshiped as a LN deity and has LG clerics that he does in fact give spells to.

>>51697647
He only does that because he seeks to rule it. Being a helpful dick doesn't make you less of a dick. He's gotta go for the Good of the people, period.

He's Literally Evil, Anon. Capital E Evil.

>>51697591
Didn't pretty much every still-living god fight Rubadub? I think it was mentioned someplace that every deity on his side died at the end of the war.

>>51697587
Humanity is fundamentally Neutral, not Good. Without a reliable and focused form of Evil to sin through, all you have are mindless drones of Good; without a sense of orderly Good to strive for, all that evil has is sniveling whelps that backstab each other like goblins.

You need good and evil, law and chaos, for humanity to thrive.

>>51697673
You realize he is worshiped by LG clerics that he powers, and founded a LN matriarchal nation that he patrons. No not cheliax

Quite literally he is not entirely evil because he can be worshiped as a LN deity and receive all the benefits as if he was LN.

>>51697670

That country has its own problems.

>>51697708
Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark.

>>51697673
Yes, but he's LAWFUL allcaps Evil. Asmodeus has always been Order first, Evil is just a result of his utter dedication to lawfulness, no matter the cost.

>>51697716
Anon, once again, being nice a tiny slice of the time doesn't negate being an atrocious slaver tyrant every other day of the year. If he converts fully, we'll talk, but until then, he's on the shit list.

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Post times you had a GMPC in your party and it didn't suck.

>first time playing PF
>only have three people+GM
>party is charming but pants-on-head retarded catfolk bard, hyper-intelligent smug aasimar witch, used car salesman styled alchemist, and GMPC
>GMPC is Urist Stonebeard, dwarven fighter who speaks only in grunts and single words
>dwarf follows behind group and helps us kill stuff, we don't know where he came from or why he's helping us
>later make out way into dwarven stronghold, turns out he's from there
>his family just says he's always been like that and that we're not the first party he's followed
>by the end of the game we've become best of friends with the dwarf without knowing jack shit about his motivations

There were probably oppottunites for us to learn more about him, but being first-timers we probably ignored the obvious plot hooks. Still think about him from time to time, never got around to asking the GM more.

>>51697680
Shelyn hid. Not really a point against her though, her presence enraged Rovagug, and would have made it harder to fight him.

>>51697708
Death before dishonor. If humanity cannot improve as a whole, the defective parts must be removed.

>>51697734

These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite...

A LIE, WILL REMAIN A LIE.

>>51697736
Then he may have hope for redemption, but he MUST sincerely discard his villainy, or he's no better than the other wicked gods.

>>51697758
I thought Rovagug wanted her desperately

>>51697801

Rovagug wanted Shelyn for the same reason a crazed mass-murderer would want a mother before slaughtering her children.

He wants her to watch.