Horus Heresy General /hhg/ - We Wuz Great

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>>51623909

>>51623909

Underwater Astartes missions limited to fully suited troops, dreadnoughts, and Land Raiders when?

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>>51623981
Play Zone Mortalis in a fishtank, Anon.

>>51623909

>>51623981
That would be "Nerf Everything: The Mission". Why would you do that to yourself?

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>>51623909

>>51623959
That is a nice piece of art anon. Does it come in Thunder Warrior flavor?

>>51624072
he probably likes the things he listed more than other shit

>>51623959
>I want YOU
>to hand me that free chainaxe

>>51624174
the artist has a list of chapters and legions he is doing, and I dont even think Thunder warriors have crossed his mind

Did I miss the fluff page dumps?

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>>51623909

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>>51623909

What about Titans?

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Shiiitttt,

thirty eight base coats done @.@

Thirty two left to go!

How balanced is 30k? If you start up with a 2,000 point list focused around GW's plastic line with minimal FW support, are you going to be completely fucked against people with significantly larger resin budgets?

>>51624363
Warhound a cute.

Cute!

>>51624712

Not necessarily. If you build a good (counter) list, you will have a chance to win (in objectives game) unless its a fucking Knight Household or Darkside Mechanicum. But all games tend to get ridiculous past the 2.5k mark, when Primarchs walk the Earth.

>>51624712
There are some legions better than others, and mechanicum seem to go well from what I keep seeing, but not much seems immediately breakable

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>>51624813
Warhound is for Sexual

>>51624819
I'm sure it's nothing 3 Shield Captains can't handle.

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>>51624843
Pups are for pops, Ds are for Dudes.

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>>51624843

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>>51624843
Well there goes the bread again

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Death Guard tank

Alpha legion in non legion colors?

>>51625245
It's alpha legion, do what you want.

Hey /tg/

Simple question : If you can increase or decrease the power of a rule, weapon, unit etc... what would it be ?

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>>51625294
Pinning, make it the unit hit by Pinning weapon tests for it.
Not an Iron Warriors player.

>>51625245
pic

>>51623909
I'd like to get this one someday:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Crassus-Armoured-Assault-Transport

>>51625294
Remove sniping with barrage weapons.

Because no one in the history of eternity ever said

>We need to take out their officer. This calls for our most accurate weaponry !
>Roll in the artillery boys !

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>tfw you will have to wait months to buy all the new units as they slowly trickle them out week by week

I WANT MY TS UNITS NOW

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>>51623763
Can someone take a picture of the lore pages for the Ordo Sinister?

>>51625451>>51625261

(pic) Cool, thank you!

>>51625617
I want my Iw units first!

So IW and WE were bumped further down on the power scale? Inferno only has new stuff for the new legions? Are there cool new missions?

>>51625581
Soviets used artillery to try and kill Simo Hayha.

But what do you suggest instead?

>>51625617
But anon, there a still a ton of knight heads waiting to be released !

>>51625756
Just have the player that owns the unit being shot at allocate the wounds. Not ideal ofcourse because that way weapon specialists and unit leaders are never going to tank wounds unless they have to, but when it's only with barrage weapons it isn't that bad. Can still snipe with range, LoS, and precision shots.

I know /hhg/ hates 750 points lists, but here is my 500 space awoooos list for evening/ pick up games.

HQ
-130-
>Priest of Fenris
>Speaker of the dead, PF, Melta Bombs

Troops
-175-
>Grey Slayers
>10x Shields, 2x PF

-175-
>Grey Slayers
>10x Shields, 2x PF

Elites
-270-
>Deathsworn pack
>MB's, Powerfist
>Rhino transport, Multi Melta

Priest rides with the Deathsworn in the Rhino forward to fuck up armor and any other HQ's
Grey Slayers walk forward to reach the mini-deathstar a turn or so later to enter melee and finish off whatever is there.

Six Powerfists, six Melta Bombs, a Multi-melta, 20 combat shield saves for marines. I am not sold on the Deathsworn/Rhino combination. I may remove it for something with more punch against Armor or Air.

>>51625451

As it happens, the Crassus was made by Zhou-Arkkad, the Forgeworld that is headlining Inferno.

Though it would have a different name in M31.

>>51625853
You could drop the MM and MB from the deathsworn and get 2 more fists on the slayers.

>>51625880
If I remove the MB from the deathsworn alone, I could get the maximum amount of fists for each 10 man squad- 3.
Though I could just trade the PF from the priest and give the slayers those two fists- 20 point PF to two 10 point PF's

>>51625912
Oh, right, the melta-bombs are on the whole squad. I say drop the bombs for the fists and trade the Priest's fist for a power weapon, which you upgrade to a frost weapon. If you drop the melta-bomb from him, you can get a great frost blade.

I think a MM and 7 power fists is enough at 500pts.

>>51625957
It's 750 points, that was a poor typo

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>>51625876
I know, I've read the entry in the IA.
Having to come up with another cool name is not an issue.

>>51625853
You can't take a Priest of Fenris as compulsory HQ, only Praetor or Centurion.
>>51625973
Why not make it Zone Mortalis then?

>>51625999
I literally have no idea what the rules of zm are.

>>51625999
Also, don't priests count as Centurions because they replace those three consouls?

>>51626014
The rules are in books 1 and 3, and on FW downloads site.
>>51626036
No, a Centurion is a Centurion, not a Consul. I'd allow you the Priest for compulsory under 1k pts though.

>>51626014
>>51626067
Just to add, ZM rules make small point games more interesting.

>>51626067
betrayal and extermination?

>>51626107
Yeah. Betrayal contains basic ZM rules, while Extermination introduces ship-boarding actions (Blood in the Void). There's another mode in Extermination - Victory is Vengeance - for kill-team-style games.
ZM requires a lot of terrain though.
Basic rundown of rules is:
>modified FOC
>max unit size of 15 models
>no dedicated transports
>no monstrous creatures on base bigger than 60mm
>templates and blasts gain shred, if already with shred then +1S

Hello anyone know where to find Ciaphis Cain audiobooks for free?

MkVI has poor armour, right?

Would it be ok to take MkVI legs and torso, give it a bare head, bare arms and small (IG style?) shoulder pads, as well as a small backpack (like Skitarii ones, but less Admech), and use it as Scout armour?

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>>51626214
Apparently
>Mark VI armour offered no better protection-levels than the Mark IV

I think Corvus being "lighter" just means it weighs less. However, that sounds like an awesome conversion.
Pic related are what I'm using for Recon Armour (from Anvil Industry)

>>51626162
Wrong bread, seeing as Cain is 40k, but I'm an ok guy. Only 2 audiobooks here, however...

https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!9gohRJrT

>>51623981
As of the Last Imperial Guard Codex there are thousands of Imperial worlds inhabited by abhumans homo mermaidus who are adapted to underwater life.

The Imperium has armies billions strong filled with blue skinned assholes with gills.

>>51626320
MkVI had the same problem as the MkV (which is why it has studded shoulder pad, etc.), since it used MkIV style plates (as oppose to segmented ones like MkII and III) but the materials for them were in short supply. It's one reason it was considered such a poor armour and why some wanted it to fail. The armour didn't become better until after the Heresy, when better materials became available once again.

Anvil Industry bare arms were what I was thinking for them.

>>51626320
Cheers, shame there were no gaunts ghosts though, HH gets a bit samey after a while and Imperial guard stuff seems to be a bit more aware.

Once again thank you

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>>51623909
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear.

>>51625999
So, if your army is 2001-3000 points you can't take any HQ other than centurions and praetors.

Listening to decent of angels it has mkiii using jump packs are there more examples of this anywhere else?

>>51624270
Seriously. Where is the fluff for the thousand sons and space wolves?

>>51624270

There were none, and likely won't be any. Wait until Inferno goes on general release and an anon is willing to do some camera snaps for you.

>>51626961
Probably not but why does that matter.
There isn't any reason why mkiii couldn't use a jet pack. The armour is heavier but they aren't fucking terminators for Christ's sake.
If you think it will look cool, just do it.

>>51627047
I like this anon. He has a fully functioning brain.

>>51627047
It's not just the weight, it's balance. MkIII has thick extra plating on the front and reduced armour on the rear. And the jump packs would be on their backs. In all likelihood a MkIII marines firing up the engines would just do a cool, rocket assisted front flip, and proceed to eat shit.

There must be a reason why MkIII didn't have jump pack variants.

>>51627165
I always assumed it was because jump pack troops will land in the midst of the enemy, rather than approaching from the front and eating gunfire to the face (I know in the game they land in front of the enemy then run forwards, but fluff-wise they normally seem to come down in the middle of enemy formations). So if they have enemies on all sides, Mk III loses its main advantage. Doesn't mean you can't wear it in an assault though - I could see someone that gets in challenges a lot choosing to wear Mk III for example.

>>51627260
I wonder if combat shielded IF assault marines fly in a testudo formation.

>>51627283
The mental image is glorious, so I'm going to say yes.
>we are fortifying this cloud

>>51627165
>applying physics to 40k
Reminder that exothermic armour makes the area around it colder.

>>51627165
>>51627260
>>51627283
reminder thatMK3 was primary desinged for ship boarding action (hence why no jump pack)

>>51624363
what a manlet. Didnt the Titans have entire server's companies posted on each leg as if they were castle towers?

I don´t know... I knew Warhound Titans were kinda small because they were the vanguard and explorers but that Reaver looks too small.

>>51627324
Only imperators have fortifications for feet.

>>51627317
Well, any combat situation where cover is minimal. I'm sure taking a hive city or some underground tunnel complex would lead to similar problems.

>>51627335
i think its also thats its very cramped, hence the renforcement only on the front armour

>>51627165
> but mah physics in mah super serious science fantasy
OK retard. Literally the only reason is FW never bothered to make the model. Also since mkiii is essentially up armored mkii, the jet pack mount site is probably the same.
And if in the far future, the armor systems can't figure out how to adjust their vectors on an unstable platform (like how the avionics package in an f16 helps compensate for its inherently unstable design) then it was truly a dark age.

>>51623763
I love how much milage the HHG MAGA meme is getting.

>>51627399

Thoroughly sick and tired of it myself. When did we become /pol/?

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>>51627415
It's fresh OC and so long as there's no /pol/ discussion I don't see what's wrong with the memes.

The main thing stopping me from buying a Leviathan is how to load it up

I was considering a drop pod lev, but they're obviously out of the shop. What are my best routes?

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>>51626883
>modern education

>>51627472
A mastodon.

>>51627449
>fresh
It really isn't. It's like all those sonic images people do, each particular image may be newly made, but it's still shoehorning sonic in wherever they can - there's no actual new joke beyond "look, it's sonic photoshopped with Thing".

>>51627472
Get Ben Kingsley to outflank it.

>>51627486
>must fulfill their compulsory HQ with Praetors or Centurions
>must take one HQ per 1000 points
I am the confuse.

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>>51625659
Fuck yes.
>those quotes
>they kept the lion

>>51627504
Compulsory HQ slot is already covered by the aforementioned Praetor or Centurion.
Apply some common sense ffs.

>>51627528
Yes, except Wolves have one compulsory slot per 1k points.

>>51624363
>Scale Class
>IMMENSUS

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>>51627536
Except it never says one compulsory HQ per 1k pts in the entry.

>>51627545
>turned status
>UP TO ELEVEN

>>51627389
>MkIII can totes fly, u guis, it's not like it's terminator heavy. Nu-uh, shut up, don't bring physics into this!

If you don't want physics, don't bring up physics.

Retard.

>>51627555
>must include
Sounds compulsory to me.

>>51627519
Those Knights better get out of the way.

>>51627568
>Sounds compulsory to me.
Explain how.

>>51627576
>GET THE F U C K OUT OF MY WAY YOU LITTLE SHITS I'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE MECHA IN MY UNIVERSE

>>51625659
seconded

>>51627588
Compulsory
kəmˈpʌls(ə)ri
adjective
required by law or a rule; obligatory.
"compulsory military service"
synonyms: obligatory, mandatory, required, requisite, necessary, essential, statutory, prescribed;

You know FW didn't make up the word specifically for their rules right?

>>51624363
>price non-inclusive of weaponry and munitions stock

>>51627415
>"I bet the /pol/s did this."

Trigger harder or start producing better content and making new threads once the old ones die out, if you don't like how things are. Nobody's gonna give you any handouts.

>>51627605
Kek.

>>51627592
Kek.

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>>51626578

Two can play at that game

>>51627604
Just wanted to see you aren't trolling.
There's one Compulsory HQ slot in the AoD FOC. In the LA(Word Bearers) example I posted, another HQ slot becomes Compulsory and not Optional and must be filled be either Centurion or Captain.
In the case of LA(Space Wolves), one Compulsory HQ slot must be filled by either Praetor or Centurion in games of up to 1000pts. For another 1000pts, another HQ must be taken, but this requirement doesn't change the Optional HQ slot to Compulsory HQ slot and as such any HQ unit can fulfill the requirement, even Damocles Rhino. The only part I'm confused about is how does this work in games above 3000pts, although "must include at least 1 HQ unit per 1,000 points or part thereof in the army regardless of the Force Allocation chart being used" might cover that.
I hope this clears it up for you.

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>>51626883
>>51627504
>>51627536
>>51627568
You include a Praetor/Centurion as the compulsory HQ for your force, but you can put any HQ slot choice in after you have put them in. So you must have a praetor/centurion to cover the requirement for the FOC, in the same way that only certain troop choices are mandatory for the force in the first place.
BUT for each 1000 points after the first, you must include another HQ choice, but it doesn't have to be a Praetor or Centurion, as the "mandatory" FOC HQ must be.
Imagine if an RoW said "you must take more troops than fast attack units", for example. Tacticals, Breachers, and Assaults are normally the "compulsory" units to fulfill the "you must have two troops" requirement, but you could have "support squads" to fulfill the requirements of the RoW.
In the case of the SW, it appears to me that the Praetor or Centurion are the only type that can fulfill the "compulsory" requirement of the 1 HQ you need to fill an FOC, but other HQ choices after those that are required per 1000 points can be consuls.

>>51627588
I think he's taking the rule to mean that the SW have to include a Praetor or non-consul Centurion per 1000 points, to the exclusion of consuls.
As I understand it, the "compulsory" HQ choice is the first one, but even though it is technically "compulsory" in the simple use of the word to have another per 1000 points, in Warhammer rules, "compulsory" means something specific to the Force Org Chart.

>>51627604

but the rules use a seperate terminology for Compulsory and "must take" get some fucking reading comprehension you fucking mongloid fuck. jesus fucking christ.

"must take" doesn't preclude legion support officers.

>>51627704
I want to know how you're gonna field 3000+ pts. SW armies when you run out of HQ slots.

>>51623763
Can anyone here with the Horus Heresy Masterclass book be a huge lad and let me know what silver colour they used for the basecoat on the cherry red imperial knight? I can't find a pdf of the book anywhere.

>>51624712
Not if you use legions that play well to infantry strengths, and are prepared to use dreadnoughts to make up for the anti-armor you would otherwise lack.

The only thing that can seriously wreck your shit is a typhon, which is a rare sight outside tournament play

>>51627716
It's probably implicit in the rule that they can take another HQ to do that.
If one wanted to be a real sperg about it, maybe Primarch's Chosen could be a workaround. Would a Praetor or Centurion still have to be taken if Russ is the compulsory HQ choice?

>>51627747
Yet another thing FW didn't think of, despite having 4 times longer than another other book to think about it.

>>51627716
>>51627702
>must include at least 1 HQ unit per 1,000 points or part thereof in the army regardless of the Force Allocation chart being used

>>51627723
Give me a while to upload the pics.

>>51627798
You're a legend. If it's too much of a pain to upload I'll gladly settle for a list of the paints used.

>>51627747
>It's probably implicit in the rule that they can take another HQ to do that.

I wouldn't mind. Could find a few more characters I could squeeze in there.

>Would a Praetor or Centurion still have to be taken if Russ is the compulsory HQ choice?

I don't see anything in his rules that says he counts as either of them, so... yes?

It's disappointing that I waited for this long for legion rules and now I'm waiting for FW to FAQ all their stupid design decisions so I'm sure about my options.

>>51626214
Close to the same as mk Vi, marginally weaker by a tiny % against direct penetration, much better at handling system damage and field repairs, and vastly improved auto-senses and thermal signature.

Basically mk IV was gold standard right up until a year or two before the heresy, when MkVI field trials began (primarily with RG and Ultras, but other legions did have prototypes, except IW because perty got his jimmies rustled)

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>>51627672
Is it sad that after building a warlord on commission now all I see when I look at pictures of them is missed casting gate nubs, mould slip lines un filled and gaps because I know where to look?

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>>51627820
Eh fuck it, the .zip upload will take as much time as pic by pic.

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>>51627907

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>>51627928
pic 3/19

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>>51627867
You wouldn't believe how much my autism fires up when I see they simply mirrored the plastic LoC and Bloodthirster wings.

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>>51627987
Well, that's GW nowadays, have the interns do the modelling and force 'eavy metal to be shit so timmy isn't upset.

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>>51628058

>>51628048
It's pure lazyness. Thankfully I can wait until the next January to get the new LoC at 33% off the price at my FLGS.

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>>51628084
>33% off the price at my FLGS
You lucky scrub, mine only has 10% off, or 15% if you spend 100£ or more.

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>>51628146
16/19

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>>51628167

>>51628149
It's only during January when they're getting rid of the stuff, I got a Bloodthirster for about 50 quid that way. I'm not sure anymore how much I saved by buying 2 BaCs and a ton of paints in bulk, I believe somewhere around 20% off the price.

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>>51628220

>>51627389
Actually FW did make a Mk3 jump pack model

>>51628220
Thanks a tonne anon. Saved me some real autistic stressing before I put the airbrush to my lancer.

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>>51628244
got the count wrong somewhere down the line, one more after this
I'm hungry

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>>51628251
Any time. Praise the Scanon.

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>>51628287
>>51628251
To round it up.
Make sure to post some pics when you're done.

>>51628309
Thanks a bunch mate.

>>51628245
He said without posting pictures

>>51628347
You're welcome. Have fun.
Sorry it took so long.

>>51627566
To fight autists, sometimes you have to just out shout and out shit smear them. It's like chimps in the wild bro

>>51628386
You will either leave a contributor or live long enough to see yourself become a shitposter.

>>51628244
Hey anon thanks for all this. It's good shit

>>51628413
If you are on /tg/ you are a shit poster. It's just a matter of how often.

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>>51628359
Are you being silly on purpose?

>>51628589
>inb4 mk8

>>51628589
I swear, those wonderful models are the entire reason for the "can I play loyalist word bearers" malarkey.

>>51628644
As a WB player, I'm quite happy with our models.

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So how well do the sisters work on their own?
im considering running exclusively sisters led by krole, with the custodes pallas and caladius grav tank for armoured support as they fim better with the sisters aesthetic than custodes IMO
would that be viable? or are they absolutely dependand on custodes being there as well?

>>51628709
Could well work, they're pretty well set for anti-infantry, and anti-light armour with their dedicated transports. The biggest thing sisters seem to be missing is the ability to crack AV14, but if you're taking caladius tanks then that solves that. The second biggest thing they're missing is any skyfire, but that's why the god-emperor gave us fortifications (and 65 point, BS4 troops to man them).

>>51628589
That isn't MK III but some custom type of armour. You can tell because the back of the greaves and chest armour are just flat surfaces and nothing like MK II and III are.

>>51628644
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Loaded up a bunch of HH novels on my ereader - what should I start?

Master of Mankind - I'm an AbbaDabbaDoo fan (loved Night Lords and First Heretic/Betrayer) and obviously it made some waves.

Scars - heard it's awesome, love me some white scars, might even serve as inspiration for a hobby project

Flight of The Eisenstein - I started it after reading the opening trilogy, and wasn't impressed by the writing style. Obviously though Garro is important and I hear a lot of people say good things about this one.

Can someone explain the Trump HH meme to me please?

>>51629220
Forced /pol/ meme.

>>51629220
Inferno was going to Make /hhg/ Great Again.

It didn't work.

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What kit is this from? I know its based on an art piece from Tempest, but that's all

>>51629244
Is that not the exclusive mini of the dude shooting bloodletters out of his hands?

>>51629244
I am Alpharius

>>51629257
Nope. I got that one in front of me. He has a different chest (solid resin piece) and spiked pauldrons.

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>>51628845
IT's Mk 3. Stop being so dense. The back aren't flat.

>>51629328
>do a little dance

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>>51628845
>>51629328
Also it is stated by FW in HH book 5, page 111
>FLYING FUCKING MK3

>>51629244
Maybe it's somebody's greenstuff conversion that's been recasted

>>51629415
>MkIII 'Maximus' power armour

>>51629415
>MKIII "Maximus"

Uh huh

>>51629415
>MkIII
>Maximus

Obviously by appearance it's supposed to be MkIII, but is that an error in internal consistency, referring to this as Maximus?

>>51629429
>>51629436
>>51629426
MkIIIMaximusMind

>>51629244
I've legit never seen this before.

>>51629426
>>51629429
>>51629436
>what is transitional marking

>>51629483
I'm an anon you quoted - what IS transitional marking?

>>51629488
>have mkIV maximus in testing phase
>slap mkIV front plates on mkIII
>dub it maximus mkIII
>magos finds it witty
There you go.

>>51629503
But the pictured Ashen Circle armour doesn't look like Maximus :(

>>51629512
>>51629488
Unless you meant to say that slapped MkIII plates on a MkIV frame.

I don't know what's so hard about this. It's a modified MkIII suit and Forgeworld made a typo. End of story.

>>51629536
That's what I've maintained this whole time.

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Good way to model Thunder Warriors? I was thinking Chemarae with Pariah Armor to represetn their weird genetics and MK1 armor.

So i encountered for tthe first time the otther day, someone who had an issue with my army.

So I'm working on my space wolf force, but Im making it 13th company. I sarted with 13th company during EoT so its kind of a throwback to that. So its Heresy era marines with 1-2 bits of 40k chaos parts, all painted in heresy era SW colours, and a variety of heresy era traitor colours for tthe scavenged bits. And this is mostly just the basic infantry, characters, terminators and vehicles dont really have any of this. Im using them as wolves now but was blackshields before.

But this dude kicked up a stink about it, saying it wasnt a 30k force, just a 40k one using 30k rules, how it wasnt fluffy. So here I pose tthe question /hhg/, is my army too far outside the standard of the HH?

>>51629436
I presumed it to mean that it's mk4 with added on armour in the vein of mk2 to 3. It's a custom job of up armouring maximus?

>>51629565
post pics

>>51629565
Sounds like he's an autistic sperg and you should ignore his screeching

>>51629565
>Guy complaining about a few 40k bits
its like armour mk arguments but in real life
truly autismal

>>51629236
What a coicidence.

>>51629710
i think you mean, the opposite of reality
:^)

>>51629565
Armour autists who refuse to accept that forces will scavenge and cannibalize armour are the worst thing about Horus Heresy, and are made so by the abundant examples of such practises found in the colour plates of the black books.

>>51627415

It's parody of /pol/

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>>51625659

>The Left Hand of the Emperor
>finally humanity had the arts at their disposal to make their dreams reality, and the dreams of humanity have ever been the darkest things in all creation

>>51629766
Although you know that, just like the satire of fascism of the game's setting, some people will be taking it seriously.

>>51629810

That's their own fault for not understanding the setting.

>>51629236
It will probably generate new players in the form of Custodes lists. I wouldn't be surprised if half the new players I run into in the next few months ran custodes.

>>51629961
Money wise, how much would you estimate a custodes list costs compared to a legion (for the sake of argument, let's assume the player isn't allergic to resin) or mechanicum list? If it is indeed significantly cheaper then yeah, we might see some new players going that way.

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>>51629806
>mfw this quote has autoincluded this Emerald Testament into my WB Chapter's mandatory reading

Game with a mate coming up soon, his UM vs my DG. Can anyone think of any engagements that saw these two legions go toe to toe? Would be cool to fluff it appropriately.

>>51625830
Just have barrage weapons remove models from closest like normal weapons. None of this allocate your own wounds shit. Or allow characters to los on 1+.

Also make precision shots LOS on 6+. Rolling two sixes with a sniper rifle means fuck all when your character just goes "lol no" and makes some unimportant mook take the hit instead.

>>51630040
Think there were some death guard knocking about amongst the various traitor legion warbands (because they pretty much were) that continued putting the boot in to ultramar after Lorgar's shadow crusade finished.

>>51630040
Not as far as I'm aware, but a splinter force sent to aid in the shadow crusade or otherwise ruin the paradise worlds of Ultramar sounds like something shitty Mortarion would do. For the most part the Ultramarines would busy un-butt fucking their personal empire and confined by the ruinstorm there

>>51630022
Depends how cheap you can get the 5 man kits for off ebay or China. I imagine most lists will be 10 to 30 guys at most.

I got 5 custodes, and 5 sisters of silence, for 65 bucks australian

>>51630040
Trying to further ruin the paradise worlds is very DG, radiate the water, poison food supply etc

>>51630022
I'm making a chart to satisfy curiosity. Will post results in this or a later thread.

I'm operating on the assumption that palstic is gotten from eBay or GW and forgeworld is gotten from forgeworld.

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I come from many threads past.
I have started on my Sigismund Conversion.

So what does the Misericordia rule do anyway? I can't find it anywhere

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Let's say I could only pick one force of Space Marines to be battle-brothers ally to Imperial Fists, which should it be?

>Space Wolves
>Blood Angels
>Salamanders
>*sigh*... Ultramarines

>>51630491
On the Caestus it cancels out the effect of Bulky for transport capacity.

>>51630491
Nothing, it was supposed to be removed.

>>51630511
Blood Angels all the way.

>>51630511
either blood angels or ultramarines

RYB, dude

So I got 3 squads of custodes and a galatus incoming, already have 2 here and painted. Do yall think that FW will release adrastite spears as a separate weapon? I love me the guardian spear, but the guns look pretty cool.

Also tips for conversion bits/ways to pose for a shield-captain/temporary valdor? Just how would I make it stand out?

Does Warrior's Mettle mean a Grey Slayer can actually shoot bolter, run and charge in same turn? Or am I misinterpreting that and it's really just run and charge or shoot bolter and charge?

>>51630752
Shoot or Run and Charge.

>>51630765
Cool. Thanks! What I thought but the and/or was messing with me.

Another silly idea: Amon's warlord trait allows a single unit to outflank on a specific turn. A talon of 3 dreadnoughts counts as a "single unit" for the purposes of deployment & entering play, doesn't it?

>>51630840
A Stormlord is a single unit ... Even when there are 40 centurions inside it.

>>51630840
yup. They arrive next to each other at 6 inch coherency then go their separate ways.

>>51630231
Or maybe prioritize models under the blast markers first, but without having to first remove the ones closest to the center of the first blast marker.

And yeah, Precision Shots should at least do a penalty to Look Out, Son! You gotta roll a 6 to even get to pick an enemy model, but the 2+ LOL NOPE makes it extremely pointless.

>>51630511
>Space Wolves:
Pro: New & shiny. Unorthodox, melee-oriented legion to complement the IF's suitedness for long-range "conventional" tactics.
Con: Not battle brothers with the UM or BA, and in fluff are a bunch of arseholes honestly. Plus their uniqueness or melee-focus might make you overlook the strengths of the IF.

>Blood Angels
Pro: Fluffy, nice guys, Sanguinius will probably be the best loyalist primarch. Fast tanks and BRRRRT.
Con: Rules not out yet, probably not going to be as unique as SW, probably going to put more emphasis on jump packs than most IF lists ever go near.

>Salamander:
Pro: Also bro-tier, good flamers and elite units, potential for fearless blobs.
Con: Don't really add much the IF can't do already in one way or another, with their s l o w n e s s penalty.

>Ultramarine:
Pro: Some cool special units.
Con: They add even less that the IF can't do already, and their special rules get weaker in "diluted" forces compared to pure Ultramarines. Plus fluff is kind of iffy.

>>51630652
Kind of pains me to say it, but Sigmarines are probably a decent source of parts for Custodes kitbashes. If you're any good with GS, try sculpt it on the bare parts of Sigmar armour. Fluff says their armour can be unique to each Custodes, with gaudy (read: noob-sculpted) designs.

>>51630889
>non-superheavy

Dammit should have paid more attention.

>>51630524
This is Misericord, not Misericordia.

>>51630958
Believe me, I wanted to know if Amon pulled a CREEEEEEED and had to check that first

Daily reminder that harnessing on 3+ means that you have better chance of manifesting the WC 1 power with 2 dice than with 3 on on standard 4+.

Enjoy not periling and having more buffs.

>>51630491
Either a typo, a misprint
or a CCW

>>51630488
Clean it up.
Can't really tell whats going on, to many mold lines and gubiness on it but it has a sword so it will probably work.

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>>51623763
So, after trying out a game of 30k, I was kinda blown away by how much I like it, and Im kinda interested in maybe getting in on this game.

I traditionally painted Night Lords, but I've always played regular Space Marines rules wise, and 30k feels likeca really good mix. Plus, after buying BaC, I think I've got a decent starting force, although I definetly want to expand my forces. So far, I've got about ten Regular Termies, 5 Cataphracts, 3 Captains, 20 Tacticals, 2 Rhinos, 2 Boxnoughts, 5 Breachers, 1 Contemptor, 5 Sternguard with flamers, and 5 Missile Devastators. Most of these are Mk IV, with a few bits and pieces from older or newer patterns.

Would this be a good starting force for Night Lords?

>>51629565
Using CSM bits is fine, but he's in the right because SW a worst.

>>51630444
I have to work now but here's the short version.

Their carriers value is about as terrible as a fw rhino. The grav attack squads aren't much better. The tank, dreadnaught, and guys would be equivalent point to dollar wise of running around with a legion of plastic kitted out terminators(base line custodes have better dollar to point ratio than the termies), heavily upgraded leviathans, and sicaran venators. So not as good as I thought.

>>51627555
>world bearers
>yikes

>>51631105
Huh. I was wondering if the low model count would make them cheap like grey knights are, but I guess the price of those vehicles rather spoils things.

What's the best way to run Imperial Militia and Cults alongside Alpha Legion? Leaning towards mass levy with tank support, using cult horde/tainted flesh, but I'm also thinking about a Civil War style gun line with Rapier "cannon" support.

>>51624712
If you use plastic vehicles and drop pods, you'll be fine. Footslogging lists have to face some very hard counters.

>>51631216
The actual plastic custodes are probably the best point to dollar at all, but yea their vehicles kind of ruin things. Now granted leviathans and sicaran venators are good point/dollar wise as far as fw goes. It's their carrier that is super expensive.

>>51631287
Do you even want the transport carrier though ? With it not being an assault vehicle and being able to choose the infiltrate warlord trait anyway and all that ...

>>51626331
Like that Imperial Spider army.
Eight legs, each of them loyal to the Emperor

>>51631056
Seems pretty solid.
Some people will take objection if you bring 40k post-heresy armour and tons of chaos symbols into 30k though. Indomitus Termies are fine though.

>>51630511
Kalkator of the Iron Warriors
:^)

speaking of plastic custodes, is there any clever use of the sentinel guard (sword and shield dudes) as cover, since they grant a 4+ cover save to all friendly units behind them? or are sentinel guard just good to put a shield captain inside for ablative wounds

>>51628709
>im considering running exclusively sisters led by krole, with the custodes pallas and caladius grav tank for armoured support
>exclusively sisters
>with the custodes pallas and caladius
>exclusively sisters

You're on the right track - they don't work well without Custodes support.

>>51628963
I wasn't impressed with Flight of the Eisenstein. It's popular, but I don't get it.

If you like White Scars, you probably want to read Scars -> Path of Heaven -> Master of Mankind. There's a thread in Path of Heaven that ties into Master of Mankind. And they're all good.

>only good weather this week for priming
>I don't have anything ready to prime
reeeeeeeee

How should I attone for this failure? My primarch is Morty

>>51631580
Cheers. Think I'll start with Scars and Path of Heaven if they bear on MoM.

>>51630929
> Look out, Son!
kek.
> relocate the wound from a grunt to a character.
Would it be useful at all?

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>>51631671
Dip your hand in peroxide. Share the punishment of chemical burns with me.

>>51631707
Taking one wound on your centurion so your crucial weapon specialist could have its uses. But LO,S already is a poor mechanic as it is now, and only there to fix even bigger issues the rules currently have.

>>51631671
SoCal?

>>51631320
Its pretty beefy, its gun is solid for its point cost, and it is safer and faster than footslogging (effective AV 14 front and grav-backwash, not to mention fast skimmer).

Even without the transport cap, is a calladius with a weaker main gun for 60 points less.

>>51631056
Yeah. It's common for NL players to use a lot of drop pods, but that isn't necessary.

You'll need some anti-tank.

>>51631711
always be careful with that stuff. Chemical burns are no fun

>>51631826
Don't worry, I've been flushing it with water since it happened around noon, and the bleached areas of skin are now back to normal. I work at a water supply place and the handles of the peroxide jugs were a bit wet during inventory today. 25% solution, apparently peroxide's caustic qualities become dangerous at 10% or stronger. Luckily I noticed my hand burning and tingling in time.

>>51631790
About as far from SoCal you can get in the continental states.
>upstate NY

>>51631320
A 3k list with two grav tanks one galatus dreadnought and 33 walking custodes would be about $700. If you upped the cost you could squeeze another custodes or two or give the others better gear. It's cheaper to MSU the sentinel guard than it is to 10 man them unless I'm gong crazier

>>51629544

That is what literally everyone does

>>51631924
Because it's a good idea!

>>51631924
Everyone that wants to play thunder warriors, or everyone that plays blackshields?

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What are you guys working on atm?

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What did he mean by this?

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>>51632038
Something my underdeveloped skill should have never bought but will love anyways

>>51632038
Lamenting the fact that you have more progress on your DG in that pic then I do on mine

>>51632064
>alienware

Anon

>>51632062
>I'm butthurt!

>>51632097
If it means anything, i bought it at a bargain from a buddy. Its a hunk of junk, but I paid 500 for it.

>>51632062
I'm butthurt the Emperor gets to tinker but I can't, so I'm gonna be a cunt, do cunt things, then act like it's your fault when you turn me out.

Advice on playing WB 'Paladins'? I don't like Daemons, I just want zealous holy warriors and crusaders who follow the gods.

>>51632111

a piece of plywood makes a much better and much cheaper paint surface, anon

>>51632062
Dunno what he may have DONE, but what he means is fairly obvious. The Emperor has created monsters, and he's horrified.

>>51632176
Legion Champion probably has a place in the theme/concept you're describing. Ashen Circle definitely do.

>>51632176
A Chaplain too, obviously.

>>51632193
I don't paint on my laptop bud, may be an idiot, but not quite that far.

>>51631671
>have a ton of shit to prime
>it starts fucking snowing
god damn it, it never snows here. there's already a foot on the ground.

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>>51632176
Vexillas everywhere, maybe a command squad too so you can have an even bigger banner. Crusaders loved their banners (probably). Other than that, I guess Pride Of The Legion, maybe?

>>51632194
Nah the guy is actually jealous. Just a salty motherfucker who can't handle the fact he can't get the same results as the Emperor and isn't allowed to keep on failing at it.

>>51632276
Such a fucking good movie.

"Would that we had met in battle when you were still capable of gathering bastards."

"Something something maybe you're on of mine or something to that nature." Bantz for days.

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>>51631876
>Mfw I am also from Upstate NY
But I haven't been able to play much because of my school starting again. DA best Legion.

>>51632316
Holy shit I mangled that. Sorry. Mobile posting with bananafingers.

>>51632285

He's right though, and Chaos gonna win coz the Emperor was play gods

>>51632385
Nah, chaos was winning for sure and the Emperor did a good run at stopping it.

But alas, humanity does not deserve to be saved.

>>51632411
>t. ADB

>>51632176
Zardu Layak+Damocles Rhino+Herald. Then a bunch of Ashen Circle as troops then whatever support you want.

>>51632411
>chaos was winning
>any random cuckstode captain can kill the warmaster

>>51632742
Why do people keep thinking that the current Horus stats are the stats of post-Molech Horus?

>>51632742
>>51632749
Beside from the navigators, are we ever gonna get agents of the warmaster that are just traitors only?

>>51632791
Demons are going to be traitor only. Scoria is still top dog.

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To the anon who did pic related in the last thread>
Can you share your alchemical formulae for that white and green?

Whats a good off-white paint for my Death Guard?

I'm running with the idea that they don't bother painting and just leave the factory primer as is, so what color would best reflect that, maybe ceramite white?

>>51632914
Celestra Grey over Chaos Black undercoat maybe?

>>51632914
watery ushabti bone

>>51632826
>those backpacks
fucin' cancer m8, then again they are deathguard

>>51632914
>maybe ceramite white?
Good gods, no. Even if you wanted to paint something white, you wouldn't use a real white. You'd use Ulthuan Gray as the main color. Maybe Pallid Wych Flesh if you want something very light, but also slightly warm (dirty). But you shouldn't be going for a white.

There's no canon factory primer color. In real life, steel (like for tanks) is usually given a red-brown primer. WWII German tank barrels had a glossy dark gray primer for heat resistance. Planes have historically been primed with yellow-green (zinc chromium, I think) or bluish metallics. None seem appropriate. I'd stick something between gray and bone.

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>>51632062
DELETE THIS

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FW SISTERS OF SILENCE MODELS WHEN

>>51633073
Never. You'll get your upgrade sets that go on the plastic torsos & legs and you'll like it.

>>51632988
They are really bad. I don't know how they could even get that bad.
Baffling too since the paint job is apparently well applied.

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>>51633105
GENERIC HQ MODEL WHEN

EXCRUCIATUS CADRE WHEN

PURSUER CADRE WHEN

>>51633129
After they finish the Emperor's post final final form, maybe

>>51633035
Yeah I was thinking a warmer white, to complement the green. I'll check out wych flesh

So I build all my troops from BoP and since I played 40k before every 10 (50 total) marines there's one melta and a heavy bolter. Then I realised that's not how 30k works.
How fucked am I? Should I build a support squad and a heavy support squad to fix it or there's another way?

>>51633073
what the fuck does the Emperor do to them to make their minds so disturbing it fucks up psykers?

>>51633451
No, there's a Rite of War (special FOC) you can get where "Veteran Tactical Squads" have access to the options in your default plastic sprue.

I wonder why there's no "veteran assault squad" though.

>>51633458
I think it's implied that the "blanks" are mutations that aren't the fault of the Emperor, and that generally they're either recruited when they're found, or bred in vats, not transformed from regular humans.

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>>51632062
>do you think it is somehow clean simply because it is worked by your self-effacing godhead-in-denial?
That's exactly what it means, why don't people get it?

>>51633451
So you are saying you have 40 Bolter marines, 5 Heavy Bolter marines, and 5 Melta marines?
Sounds like two Tactical squads, one Support and one Heavy Support squads.

>>51633541
Yes that's it but aren't support and heavy support squads of 5 marines a bit too small?

>>51633580
Not really. Give the heavy support squad a Rhino with a MM on it and you have a small unit capable of handling light armor.

>>51633580
No, it's common enough. In large games you may want to expand them, depending on their role. Support squads on suicide missions (like drop podding next to a terminator squad with plasmaguns, or next to a tank with meltas) are often kept small.

As >>51633494 said, the other option is to run your mixed squads as veterans. You can kind of think of 30k veterans as 40k tactical marines.

Can someone explain to me like I'm 5 why the warlord sinister is so amazing? The gun is alright, but honestly the quake cannon outclasses it in most respects, and I'd rather have a volcano cannon anyways.

Dont get me wrong, fluff is badass, but crunch wise im not seeing the big deal, the psyker powers dont seem so stronk. Convince me to buy the tenebrium when it comes out.

>>51633580
I keep a 5 man plasma squad parked in a bastion so people who think their Primarch can tear apart my Fortified Position just because it's only got two tac squads in it can bugger off.

>>51632007
Yes.

>>51633618
>>51633611
>>51633494
Thank you brothers I think I'll give them a rhino and a drop pod according to your sugestions. The idea of a melta squad deepstriking for suicide missions sounds great

>>51633656
I like how it can heal 1/3 of its HP every turn. Plus the haywire attack.

>>51633656
Well timmy, the bossman of the big stompy robot in it can make rebuild the titan from near total destruction with his mind.

>>51633697
The haywire seems pretty meh, given even in the massive games it sees, generating a WC 3 power isnt easy to do. Did i misread the heal? Pretty sure its just 5+ to regen one, which is worse than a Battlesmith.

>>51633656
Gun is shiny, nothing special.

The big thing is the psychic powers, which either give it a large area nuke it can use to clean house of all the stuff it rolled a D 1 to wound, or most importantly allow it to roll IWND for every HP it's lost, so you now have to nuke it in one or two turns because it regens 1/3 of it's lost health.

It's ML3, too, so with a couple other psykers around it can cast several.

>>51633728

One for EACH lost HP.

>>51633728
Generating a WC 3 in a HH game, as the titan is likely my only psyker

>>51633728
You get to roll for every lost HP.

I swear I saw a Thousand Sons Contemptor that looks different from the current FW one. Am i imagining things or is there a new one somewhere?

WHY THE FUCK IS INFERNO SO SHITTY FW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE HH GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!

IM GONNA BUY CHINAMAN ONLY NOW.

>>51632791
Aren't Navigators Agents of the Throne since 2011 or something?

>>51633696
Wait, wait... you can't just give anyone a drop pod in 30k. They're often only allowed with certain rites of war. Dreadclaws and Kharybdis drop pods, the big expensive ones that take up a FA or HS slot, can usually be take.

>>51633758
Chinaman can't change the rules.

>>51633746
>>51633739
My apologies, thats some bullshit given void shields and invuln saves

>>51633757
Osiron dreadnought. It's a new kit.

Have anyone here 3rd edition rulebook?
If yes can you post picture of page 273?

>>51633770
Well shit Ill have to think about it, too many new rules

>>51633761
Agents of either side.

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>>51633758
>IT WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE HH GREAT AGAIN!!!!
You drank the memes in, but at the end of the glass, there wasn't the salvation you expected.
Only more memes.
The Inferno rises, and (((they))) expect (You) in the wreckage, brother.

>>51633758
Angelus is the one that will make /HHG/ great again.

Until Blood Angels get ignored.

>>51633798
Thank you anon, that one looks so much better than the one we have now.

>>51633770
Could plasma rifles compensate the lack of movility? As melta marines would probably get killed before they hit something

>>51633848
>tfw no one on /hhg/ will even notice DA rules

>>51633877
The hilarious thing is that Lion will probably be bullshit, but not as bullshit as Sanguinius.

Hopefully DA and BA get better legion rules.

>>51633857
Unfortunately the rules are a mess and I'm not sure if it's good. Force weapon on something that can already punch shit to death seem excessive. it's also a regular contemptor upgrade instead of the cortus. I'm also questioning what weapon + power set you would even go for.

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Right, I've finally found a decent whale model for my insane Stormbird project, it'll take a while to get here though. Says "Resin" but that's a little vague in what it'll be like to work with, though.

So far plan is to remove most of the belly to make room for stuff and add in some ribs attached to the gondola/gantry, and remove the lower jaw bit and build the command bridge into there. Also add an upper deck, probably sunk about 3/4 of an inch down into the back. Going to have to chop quite a lot of bits off it. Tail will have most of the fins removed and replaced with engines, because Dark Mechanicum. Anyone have any ideas for how I could trick it out besides lascannon + Hbolters and such? Needs void shields, something to either shoot or call down the Orbital Strike, and whatever other stuff you can think of. Disembark points are probably going to be gaps in the top-deck railings.

>>51632176
This is something I dig in too. Either dark champions or zerg-rushing massed squads Black Templar style. They will never break with Chaplains and Vexillas.

>>51633905

How big is the model?

>>51633905
>Right, I've finally found a decent whale model for my insane Stormbird project
I fucking love /tg/.

>>51633891
DA and BA are fine.

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>>51633921
Apparently 24" long, 14" fintip to fintip. Slightly longer than the actual Stormbird, but a lot of that is tail and it's not got as bulky wings, so it evens out.

>>51633929
Why thank you sir. Magos Biologis gotta Biologis, I guess. May well wind up as yet another Ambitious but Rubbish idea, I warn you.

>>51633891
>Hopefully DA and BA get better legion rules.
They're fine, mostly. So long as they're not OP it's grand.
We'll really need to see their special units and whatever new RoWs incorporating those they bring in to see how they fare.

With the "wings" of the DA in particular, I think we'll see some pretty high-level gameplay.

>>51633894
You probably get Divination. Prescience for yourself or someone else is always good, and other powers are all pretty good as well, especially that 4++.

Sword is sweet as it hits on initiative, and fact that your Dread denies on 4+ is hilarious, albeit completely useless.

So you pay 25 for ML1(Prescience and something else+charge for your army) and then another 25 for shred on bolter, AW and that sweet sword. On their own they are not terrible, but together they don't really improve your Dread much.

In comparison, you can pay 50pts to upgrade your 5man termy squad with power-fists and plasma.

>>51633975
Do it. Just do it, this crazy project will be remembered for years to come.

>>51633975
Inferno was never going to Make /hhg/ Great Again.

It was crazy bastards like these that were always going to do that.

>>51634021
A year from now, /hhg/ will be full of people saying "Remember last year? /hhg/ got shit done last year, remember that whale stormbird guy? Nowadays it's just constant shitposting about Sanguinius' D sword."

>>51634021
Yeah, I'm just hoping that the 2 left on Ebay don't sell out before I get paid in a few days so I have to find some other base model. It's quite hard to find a model of a whale between 18 and 25" long and of a suitable material, somehow :)

>>51634025
>>51634069

Damn, thanks. I have one stupid idea and suddenly praise. At least wait until I've bought the bloody thing :).
Shipping across to Brexitland from America is murder on the wallet, dammit.

Anyway, insane ideas to supplement the insane idea? I have to add more than some boring deck plating to this thing.

>>51634069

A year from now, we're still not going to have an Inferno scan.