Horus Heresy Genera - /hhg/

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Reply to this post with tanks.

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>get old
>models keep shrinking with age
>all the games I liked either died or jumped the shark
Please release AT soon you faggots. I'm at that point in life where anything bigger than 15mm isn't grognard enough. I just sold multiple old game systems so I could literally buy a store's worth of that shit right now.
>hurf durf conflicting schedules
The elderly audience is neither patient nor long-lasting for obvious reasons.

>>51637199
I claim this thread in the name of armor autism
>Death Guard
>Mk VI

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>>51637377
anybody have the picture of the great crusade thousand sons scheme? thinking of adding another great crusade scheme army to my collection.

>>51637479
My force scavenges and cannibalizes armour and weaponry components and therefore has mixed marks on the squad and individual legionary level. Fear me, you faggot gripped by an ironic faggotry that my immersion invalidates your own!

>>51637199
Any lore posted?

Specifically about the Ordo Sinister.

How to make a paragon blade for Tartaros armour?

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Can the Priest of Fenris buy wolves? I'd love to take a pair of pic related from Reaper as sort of psychic familiars, but I can't find anything that would actually allow him to have wolves. Even though he replaces consul options, he's a separate entry instead of a centurion upgrade.

>page 6

the fire stopped rising

it didn't fly so good

>>51638354
Things'll get better once Angelus drops.

GIVE EVERY LEGION A THIRD SPECIAL UNIT FW
FUCKING
DOOOOO
IT

>>51637923
>wolves
>in 30k
Kek.

>>51638580
>Release a third legion specific unit for each legion with only 2
>Make it vastly better than the other two

I can see this happening at some point.

>>51638580
Give me Daemon Terminators. Terminator Diabolist. Diabolist Model. Make Mhara Gals not hurt friendly models. And the ability to take Pyromancy for Burning Lore.

That is all I want. Literally all I want. That's it. I don't even care for the termis, just give me Pyromancy and a Diabolist model.

>>51638628
>deathshoud with 3w, fnp and grave warden weapons, deathclouds and shit

https://www.change.org/p/forgeworld-2-wound-gorgon-terminators-are-needed-in-30k?

Quick, sign this.

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Wonder if anyone would get mad if I put 3rd party Cataphracti style shoulder plates on tartaros.

>>51638721
Maybe once they give them different suits. No way is FW gonna give anything nice to units in Indomitus armour.

Now that Tartaros and Cataphractii are in plastic, they'll have make Saturnine that'll have 2+/4++, able to Sweep and 2 wounds stock.

>>51638743
Nah. Those look pretty dope. Just make it clear at the start of the game which pattern they're officially in as a courtesy and you should be fine.

What's with all the bitching about Custodians I'm seeing across /tg/?

They can't be that OP.

>>51638911
They are similar to playing a full Legio Cybernetica army, stupid resilient and killy but the army is so small that you'd have to be fucking stupid to lose the objective of the mission.

>>51638911
Cuckstodes are game-breaking.

>>51638929
they can cost 75 ppm for a base model, but they've only got two blatantly broken things, valdors pretty damn good as a beatstick but also he gives every custodian deepstrike for free. Then theres a dude with a rerollable 3++ and EW with options for s10 powerfist or paragon.

>>51638989
hektari are broken too

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/HHG/ YOU ARE NEEDED TO MAKE THIS THREAD GREAT AGAIN. CREATE ONE LEGION SPECIFIC UNIT FOR EACH LEGION THAT ALREADY HAS UNITS TO REPRESENT HOW THE LEGION HAS CHANGED AND ADAPTED TO THE HERESY.

>>51638929

>implying people here play with objectives

>>51639043
I already got Kakophoni, I'm still happy.
Maybe just give Palatine Blades more exotic weapons to represent their constant one-upping of each other and desire to master xenos shit.

Alternatively, Fabius's gene-enhanced EC squad but that's already what Blackshields do.

>>51638580
>>51638656
Give me Alpharius and a Lernean kit/XX Cataphractii armor.

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>>51637479

You called?

>>51639202
>pledeian doesn't know his Roman numerals

>>51639223
Welp

>>51639202
that mkIV is so sexy it'd even look good on Iron Warriors

as long as they didn't polish it up until they could see their faces in it

>>51639043
Iron Hands meatwalkers, like the zombie guys that they sent to assault Xana

they're like existing Iron Hands, but also like Typhus' plague zombies, only with bolters

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What are you working on /hhg? I've finally gotten off my ass and laid some colour down on my assault marines and fixed a nasty mold line on my Leviathan.

>>51639305
Sexy, what legion?

>>51639305
>What are you working on /hhg?

Stress on where to get extra HQs to fill my quotas. I got some terminator bits, so I guess I'm sticking some terminator centurions in my Slayer squads.

>>51638580
What about they make it mid to late heresy additions. My English isn't good so bare with me.

iron hands - cyber-undead ( like in those short stories)
Raven guard -weregild ( I know you're supposed to use blackshield rules for armies of abominations but a specific unit would be nicer)
night lords - atramentar (spelling?
Death guard - wardens with elite destroyers ( like in the short last echoes of old night)
Imperial fists - huscarls, with fur cloaks, maces. Archamus is the unit leader but optional.

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>>51639261
>>51639223
>>51639202
found some

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I fucking hate white. I hate it so much.

Anyway these guys are near done. They just need a cleanup whites too streaky, moot greens too bright and uneven), and some highlights on the black parts.

That'll be 10 legions done.

>>51639358
But Huscarls are the sergeants of Grey Slayer units.

>>51639382
> cantwakeup.png

>>51639043
I would do a unit that represents the Imperial Fists taking over the Solar system in order to fortify it, becoming similar to the Luna Wolves as they oppress dissidents and crush the opposition from within.

Imperial Fist Death Hussars

Average stats, BS5, 2A, Saturnine Terminator unit armed with Heavy Bolters or Assault Cannons and power fists, special ammo types (S3 AP3 template, Poisoned rounds, Smoke rounds that lower the enemy Ballistic Skill), all their shots have the Pinning special rule.

Kill Command: Unit gains rending when firing at a unit thats within 3'' of an objective

>>51639313
Death Guard.

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>>51637479
I have 20 of them in mk4, fight me.

>>51639202
>>51639479
>anons don't know how to count
>tfw I don't know how to read

>>51639388
Fuck yiffs.

These are the real huscarls
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Huscarl

>>51639438
Heavy Weapon Terminator squad would be the shit actually. Just something to make them different than Tyrants and Fulmunatus. Maybe they're really defensive orientated and the suits give fnp, or absolutely shit on infantry comepared to the anti vehicles/fortifications of the UM/IWs?

>>51639043
Alpha Legion dudes with Stealth, Infiltrate, BS5 Stalker Pattern Boltguns, and PE: Marines. Once per game they can gain shred and rend on 5's.

>>51638743
Related question.

What do you guys think of various 3rd party armor? Spellcrow space knights look decent. Any thoughts?

>>51639363
To be fair, that army is from before FW (or GW) made any Heresy-era armor aside from single miniatures. Those are 2nd/3rd edition Terminators.

>>51639382
Looks good, though! Well done.

>>51639382
ez pz white

>celestra gray
>ulthuan gray layer
>ceramite white highlight

>>51639638
I can see it for some, like leading positions in artificer armor or special units like vets, but I do prefer it as a splash rather than the norm for the army.

>>51639561
No, anon, THESE are the real Huscarls:
https://deadliestblogpage.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/the-anglo-saxon-huscarls/

>>51638474
Are you saying...that Angelus will Make /HHG/ Great Again? :^)
MHHGGA

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Finished base coating. Will begin washing tomorrow.

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Do you use custode termies in your list? I wanna kit bash some just for fun, the flamer seems to be pretty meh, so I think I'll just got with storm bolters.

>>51638580
The UM, EC, IW (surprising huh), and IF(ish) already have one, and if you count vehicles then the WB and RG have a third one too.
Unfair.
Gib Third speshul unit nao, FW

I'm sorry to be a bother, as I imagine everyone's sick of these leak questions, but does anyone have the 30k rules for the sisters of silence? Any help is appreciated.

>>51639382
That white scar pose is a little bit ... It just looks like he's scratching his ass.
>I thought that was something mainly SW's did :^)

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>>51639358
>Death guard - wardens with elite destroyers ( like in the short last echoes of old night)
So, regular Chaplains attached to regular Destroyers?

>>51639752
got a pic of result?

>>51639574
So, stolen Mor Deythans :^)

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>>51640331
It's ok :^)

Would traitor Vlka Fenryka pulling an Army of Dark Compliance be at all fluff-compliant, or should i just do SoH for the Astartes Contingent?

Why is our bread dead?

>>51640522
Aside from way less mobility and no other weapon options, yes.

Not like we don't already have stolen Seekers.

>>51640588
There are no traitor Vlka Fenryka.

>>51640618
That's what the awoo's want you to think.

Space Wolves as a whole might have never gone traiter, but individual squads and companies most certainly have. No suprise really, as Yiffs are technically chaos space marines to begin with.

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>>51640588
>traitor Vlka Fenryka pulling an Army of Dark Compliance be at all fluff-compliant
>>51640618
>There are no traitor Vlka Fenryka.
My sweet summer woof

I was trying to find that Wolf Lord who fell to Khorne after growing tired of the Imperium's shitty management

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Skyrar's_Dark_Wolves

>>51639358
>Raven guard -weregild
Raptors, no Weregeld, the Weregeld is a blood debt.

Besides the raptors, I'd really like to see Deliverer terminators and the Shadow Wardens, Corax's personal bodyguard, maybe stealthy fuckers with jump packs and some sort of sneeki breeki weapon.

>>51640663
Svane Vulfbad?

GW is THIS bad at naming

>>51640689
Yeah, that one. I remember him from one of the IA books (a Land Raider that had something to do with him), but I couldn't find it.

normal jetbikes are already $100 for 3, I dont even want to imagine how much the custodes dildos will cost

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>>51638580
Make my special units better

also my primarch

fuck it, ill just use the OP GW rules when his model comes out

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>>51639305
Going to start work on Ahriman in a few minutes

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>>51640948
>Make my special units better
I'm not sure I understood.
You want your 2W ML2 optional 3++ terminator squad to be better?
I wish you fucking peril.

>>51640999
Read the image

>>51640999
wait, what? what happened? Gas leak?

>>51640948
>turns out it's the Void Dragon, come to avenge the destruction of Cadia's pylons

>>51641016
>car filled with hairspray and AXE
>goes to light up bowl

>>51637493
>What happened?

>>51641012
Wait, Fulgrim is returning?! Kek, so it'd come to GW to fix Fulgrim with their Power Creep, due to FW's own Power Creep.
Oh what a time to be alive.
>>51641016
I think so.
>>51641025
Oh my

>>51640948
I wonder if ppl would prefer to play against 40k Magnus rather than the 30k version in HH games

>>51640264
>10 S6 torrent flamers
>10 D3 overwatch
>meh
Come on anon, you gotta open your mind to the possibilities.

>>51640961
>candy cane headdress

What's the best way to source cataphractii/tartaros or just plain terminator-sized combi weapons? FW includes like 2 per special weapon set which is dumb as shit.

>>51640961
Sexy. What's the weapon on the praetor from?

>>51639363
>back banners
I would forgive him based on that fact alone.

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>>51637377

>>51640536
I'm so sorry, I'm an idiot. Thank you, really

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>>51641044
The stormlord took the D unwillingly and without grace.

>>51641305
It's ok, it's a sort of new-ish adition.
Enjoy them rules, anon.

>>51641385
The position of those dickbikes ... perfect

>Target aquired.
>We're going in. Literally.

>>51641385
How did that many of the occupants survive?

>>51639305
That leviathan is more pissed off than we can comprehend.

>>51641441
I'm glad I had them deep strike

>>51641446
confusion of the rules. I'm not used to using superheavies and I forgot that they all are supposed to get hit (I think?) but the actual explosion scattered away. if anyone can help me understand the order of operations after a superheavy gets the D I'd very much appreciate it.

Have the FW Plague Marine body/head pieces disappeared from the site?

So, Thousand Sons - i dont know if i should use Pride of the Legion with Veterans or Guard of the Crimson King with Ahriman - what are your thoughts, gang?

>>51641571
Unless you don't have the models, using Pride for Vets is looked down upon as cheap or WAACfagging.
Guard all the way if you have at least two units of Sekhmet.

>>51641618
sorry, whats WAACfagging?

I have 2 units of Tartaros Pattern Terminators i can use for the Sekhmet Terminators i guess

>>51641618
>Unless you don't have the models, using Pride for Vets is looked down upon as cheap or WAACfagging.
Fuck
I play ultramarines and want to represent their late-heresy development towards the Codex Astartes unit structure, is that a suitable excuse?

>>51641668
>>51641658
Some faggots use Pride to spam Vets instead of building lists fun to play with and againt.
Actually, disregard my previous post, just don't spam units like that guy.

TS
I you don't want to wait for FW Sekhmet, Scarab Occult Terminators painted in red look great if you like Blanchesque Warhammer.

UM
Vets for Red-marked is a fluffy enough excuse.

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>>51639305
My motivation for this lot has dropped to a brutal low. I blame Inferno and my lust for new shiny toys. I also have a fuckton of mechanicum I would rather be painting but my airbrush died.

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>>51641862
>>51639305
pic attached now. sigh

>>51641571
Guard of the Crimson King should be used with Magnus. Ahriman is far better running pride of the legion or Axis of Dissolution since the scout move will ensure that your infantry go where needed bit earlier.

Either way, don't go too ham on psychic powers. You are gonna get low on models quick.

What are the rules around using alternative FoCs? Is it considered impolite or cheesy to use?

>>51641571
Depends on what you want to field, really. Pride is really good as Divinity/Asyphx shells make vet better, while Guard allows you to spam Sekhmets.

I'd go with three of four squads of vets and either two minimal squads of Sekhmet with plasma or one ten man one with plasma and power fists myself.

Priest of Fenris only exchange their power armour for terminator armour and a combi-bolter. So they keep their frag grenades, krak grenades and bolt pistol. Does that mean they get +1 attack in close combat if using, say, a power weapon? And benefit from the frag grenades in Assaults?

>>51642150
>Does that mean they get +1 attack in close combat if using, say, a power weapon?
No, because then he gets only the options mentioned in the parentheses, meaning he may no longer exchange BP for PW.
>And benefit from the frag grenades in Assaults?
Yes.
Anyway, expect errata for this.

>>51642193
>No

But the wargear the priest is bolt pistol, power armour, frag & krak grenades and a refractor field (+ power maul, balm and vial for Spooker of the Dead; and force weapon and matrix for Caster of Runes). The option for the Terminator Armour and Combi-Bolter only replaces the power armour, so all the retains all his previous equipment.

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>>51641468
I'm hoping he's not as angry now that he's back together.

>>51641875
>>51641862
Airbrush dying would drag me to a complete halt as well. Your dudes look awesome though Bees, keep it up

What's the best legion/rite of war to ally with custodes?

Day of Revelation Blood Angels?
Orbital Assault Iron Hands?

>>51642288
Thanks man, trying to get some done before a a couple of ZM games this weekend. Also Levis are the coolest dreads bro, can't wait to see yours complete, and good call on making destroyers into assaults.

>>51642258
About the BP, yeah he gets +1A.
But it's going under errata, mark these words.
Fuck, 3 years' delay and they couldn't even bother to check all the rules they put inside.

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>>51642381
bro the shear amount of basic mistakes in that book including leaving fucking tourists in artwork......... what the fuck is going on it that office?!!!

>>51642422
Either lazyness or Montypythonesque incompetence, pure British grade. I'd proofread and correct all their shit for free* because some errors really rustle my jimmies. Inferno's entirely another level.

*I'd share some insights into rules and background here

>>51642381
In 40k Njal Stormcaller can take terminator armour and keep his bolt pistol, and has been able to do so since 5e.

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>>51642498
I really want someone to call them out on this at a seminar or something. Just ask politely why they think its ok to release such poorly proofread/potentially broken books.

>>51642498
They are likely staffed full of people with learning disabilities like myself. I never notice grammatical mistakes without reading as slow as a child. But then again I'm not in publishing.

>>51639043
Whispercutter would be an ace addition for RG, but if it has to be an LA unit....

Probably something along the lines of saboteur squads, basically upgraded destroyers with the ability to buy melee options / demo charges, possibly a limited selection of suspensor webbed heavies 1:5 despite having the option for JP. (Kalibrax autocannon or the other mag-fed heavies)

Option 2: Deliverer terminator squads, essentially standard terminators with the same sudden strike as dark furies and 2/5 heavy (matches the few mentions they've had in extermination and novellas)

>>51642324
Mechanicum, cybernetica. 2 vultarax.

>solving your armor-busting problem

>>51639358
>>51639043
>>51642617

I take it back, just give me deliverer terminators with built-in deepstrike.

>>51642628
2 Vulturax is a pretty nasty AT force, 6 Haywire shots.

The problem is the tax of other Mechanicum HQ+troops you would need, something Custodes can't really afford.

What are some Legion alliances you can give funny names?

>Iron Warriors + World Eaters:
>Blood Within, Blood Without

>>51641618
I'm not sure that's fair when talking about TSons. Their veterans have enough options to almost be a legion-specific unit in their own rite, so I don't think you can accuse players of being cheap or lazy for wanting to use them.

And if wanting to use your legion's special rules & options is WAAC then the vast majority of 30k players are WAAC.

>>51642857
Iron Eaters

>>51642857
>Raven Guard & White Scars
>Laugh when you are hiding

>>51642857
Sisters of Silence and World Eaters
>Khorne cares not from where the blood flows

>>51642718
>>51642628

you could try ally secutarii, their hq is cheap, only need one tax troop (which can just be a 35 point min thrall squad) and then you can cram 19 hoplites in a triaros. 19+1 bs5 haywire shots of lolfucku is a pretty hilarious way to end a tank

granted they wouldn't really do much about custodes themselves. in fact I don't think secutarii have any answers to them since they're pretty balls against 2+ saves

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A 1750 pts force I ran in a small tournament last month.

SoH still best even if I have done poorly so far. I guess I will need to get more transports and Quad Mortars.

>>51643176
Pretty fuckin sweet

Which is better?
>Stormsword or typhon?
>Shadowsword or falchion?

>>51643293
Typhon and Falchion, both of which are inferior to most Knights or a Warhound

>>51643113
I think the Myrmidon Secutors have been entirely outclassed now. The 3 Secutors in Arvus is probably going to be replaced by the Hoplite squad in Arvus now, more shots. You can have a squad of 12, or 11 and Decima, drop them in and melt a Fellblade easily.

>>51642857

Night Lords and Salamanders

>We have come onto the anvil

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>>51640309
>and IF(ish) already have one
Huh?

>>51642857
IF + Salamanders = Stone Dragons
<3

>>51639043
I love these kind of fantasy excercises, though my units might tend to be the dreaded all-powerful Mary Sue unit.

I would like a Saturnine (or however they fluff it) very bulky terminator design that basically makes terminators as hard or harder to kill than shield-Custodes, that can have access to heavy weapons across the board, with a general tendency towards close-range weapons and unique patterns fluffed as being Terran innovations/Destroyer-style old-night risk-fraught superweapons kept under lock and key, brought out for the sake of the defence of Terra.

So these units would be a cross between Iron Tyrants and a Terminator-armoured Destroyer corps, covering both the Fists' strength as siege troops and as spacecraft-boarding Zone Mortalis marines.

I'd also like to see the option to dual-wield power fists as lightning claws can be dual-wielded.

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>>51642857
Word Bearers + World Eaters.

>>51643176
Ah, the good old doormat rye field.

>>51643366
What if they switched the Falchions TL to a second shot?

>>51643113
You would need a Mechanicum, not a Skittle HQ as NONE of their units can be used to fill compulsory slots. But then I suppose you can just grab a barebones Magos

>>51639043
Iron Warriors "Forlorn Hope" unit.
>10 marines, basic marine statlines.
>5 models armed with lascutters, 5 models armed with flamers.
>Add models to the unit in 2s, up to 20, one of each pair armed with a flamer/lascutter.
>Special rule 1: for each penetrating hit achieved by a lascutter against a vehicle or building with embarked troops, one flamer-armed model may attack the troops inside, inflicting hits as per the No Escape rule. (Would have liked something about models being able to assault into buildings through the lascutters' breaches, but 40k has no rules for assaulting into an occupied building. And anyway, clearing trench networks with flamethrowers was a thing.)
>Special rule 2: Implacable Advance, but if the unit does not end the game controlling an objective in your opponent's half of the table, they count as destroyed for the purposes of victory points.
>May take a dedicated transport, boarding shields, or jump packs.

>>51640462
No like a 3 man special unit like that Word Bearer, and his bodyguards.

>>51643689
Damn, that's cool. I was thinking about something similar for the Ordo Reductor, Tech-priests who specialise in clearing bunkers that are too little trouble for the siege to bother cracking, or urban zones and trenchworks that may conceal enemies that could take a cheap shot at something expensive.

Was thinking Titan Guard with rad-cleansers as a base.

Maybe have yours score extra pts for controlling in enemy deployment at game end, since IIRC soldiers that survived the IRL Folorn Hope were basically instantly promoted?

>>51643669
I think you could easily do Magos Prime Myrmidax with two graviton guns, then some compulsory troop, then the Titan Guard you want. Throwing said Myrmidax in a transport with a bunch of Hoplites would basically be a rather cheap instant death radius for vehicles, Ion/Flare Shield or not.

>>51643893
That's a good idea, there probably should be something to offset the VP loss if they fail.

>>51643545
Clever.

>>51643689
Excellent idea, and good use of the normally obsolete lascutters too.
I'd soften the penalty of their Implacable advance though. Maybe only apply that if they aren't contesting the objective, or haven't destroyed a unit or vehicle, or a certain value of wounds or hull points.
They could do also do with little details like melee weapons, phosphex and/or rad weapons, but I understand it's more important to get the general gist across.

It's funny how destroyers are supposed to be the forlorn hope/"gloves-off" aspect of the legions, but they suck only less than the Moritat at doing that.

>>51644097
Yeah, had considered giving the sergeant a phosphex bomb or 3, and the option to chuck one in rather than using a flamer. And you're right, a unit that gets up close like this probably does want melee weapons (or at least the option).

The exact nature of that "they succeed or they die" rule would need some hammering out, I agree, but I'm sure it's possible to come up with something fair and balanced. Like you say, I was going for the general gist of the unit overall.

Kind of pleased people like the unit concept, I hoped it would fit the Iron Warriors well.

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Two words: Terminator Destroyers

>>51644256
Varagyr Wolf Guard with Heavy Flamers

>>51641177
It's still shit AP, so I don't get it. Sure, it would be nice against militia lists, but against MEQ it only forces saves.

Maybe I'm just stupid.

>>51644331
That is but a taste of what could be!

Also, I wish there was a greater variety of unique weaponry for destroyers, particularly legion-exclusive models a la the relics.
Emperor's Children destroyers, for example, would be well-suited to have a weird sonic weapon as an option.

I'm trying to make a DG list using the Reaping that exploits rad grenades as much as possible. Would it be a waste to use as many small Veteran squads as possible so that I get more sergeants who can take rad grenades? And as far as I can figure, a power maul would ID MEQs suffering from the -1T, unless I'm reading the rule wrong.

>>51644442
>as many small Veteran squads as possible

Rad grenades are useless if the unit using them can't hurt the enemy.

>a power maul would ID MEQs suffering from the -1T

With AP4 and many multi-wound Marines having 2+ save, it's a bit of a moot point.

>scheduling issues

Please GW I'm coming to England this summer you'd better release AT before then damnit.

>>51644442
Yeah, it would ID, but that's not doing that much given that the vast majority of enemy T4 is 1W no FnP. Personally I'd get a wounding on 2+ Power Scythe for the sarge. You want to exploit Rad, bring in the Praevian and Vorax, rend the fuck out of some people with I4 S6 AP2, which then IDs everything, and thanks to Death Guard rules they're basically immune to poison. You want stuff that goes from good to rape with Rads, not shoddy to decent, although it does a decent job letting your tactical blobs win melee combined with the"I win all Sarge duels" Scythe. Don't play DG, but I've fought them often enough.

>>51644334
Forcing saves is what you'll have to do with the Custodes Storm Bolter anyway, it's only AP4.
Torrent flamers are less shorter-ranged compared to bolters than regular flamers are, and templates will generally give you way more than 2 hits per firing. The overwatch is also a lot better because you get many more guaranteed hits than you'd get from the storm bolter, and forcing saves is almost guaranteed to be an inevitability against the only things that could compete in melee with custodes terminators: space marine terminators.
Add to that the tactical superiority of using tarpits against custodes, and the usefulness of the flamer as an anti-tarpit weapon really becomes apparent.

The only real competition apart from saving points in my opinion is the adrathic destructor, for AP2 goodness.

>>51639043
>>51643519
I really want to see Saturnine Terminators available to all legions, something like a heavy support choice. Unfortunately the fluff be sort of non-existent currently makes it hard base rules on anything

But making them at at least at base, a squad of terminators designed primarily for shooting would be cool, all heavy weapons or something, possibly even two depending on what they are

>Equivalent to custodes or better armor
Yeah, were not getting that. "His proud sons" didn't get shit when we look at what he gave to the custodes...
>You shall conquer the galaxy for mankind and I will provide you with the best equipment in the galaxy to fight. But my personal bodyguards who rarely fight any battles shall be given even better equipment than you shall ever receive

>>51644489
>>51644507
Yeah, good points. Maybe I should try to max out heavy weapons squads instead if I do The Reaping.

>>51644521
>But my personal bodyguards who rarely fight any battles shall be given even better equipment than you shall ever receive
A prudent decision, given what ended up happening.

My comparison was more about making them equivalent to Custodes in terms of survivability, just more specialised in tactical role and with more downsides about mobility than the Custards get. Think of Tartaros versus Indomitus, that's a comparison, though I think it might be a bit less cut-and-dry than that.

>>51644558
Power scythe is very good, almost an auto-take, with rad grenades it's even better.

>>51644521
looking at art work i would take a guess as:
>termintor stat line
>5++ S&P
>sensor suite gives acute sences and BS5
>start with combi-bolter+heavy bolter
>can replace HB with plasma cannon, volkite, multimelta
>can replace combi-bolter with combi-weapon or some sort of long range rapid fire bolt gun
>power fist

maybe?

>>51644620
It's going to at least be a 4++. Possibly 2 wounds.

>>51644558
Benefits of Reaping, on top of Rad Grenades and Troop vets and heavy support squads, is Move Through Cover. Vehicles, jump infantry, bikes, etc. have to take a Dangerous Terrain test when moving through terrain, but MTC negates this. Assault Marines, bikers and transports can just blast through cover for all the benefits and none of the drawbacks. You can phosphex the shit out of the board and none of your troops are in any danger from it.

I just use HSS in Troops to free up Heavy slots. Rad grenades should be just the icing on the cake, not the whole cake. Even a tactical blob with them sill be more dangerous than one without. To me, outside of dedicated CC units, it's more of an insurance. For 10pts. it's not that expensive to effectively get +1 Str. for the first round of combat.

>>51644620
I think they'll be tougher than that.
I have yet to properly digest the Custodes rules, but I'm thinking 4++ (possibly 3++, depending on penalties they receive) with 5+ FNP as standard, multi-wound with immunity to double-toughness instant death.

>>51644620
>>51644667
>costs the same as a regular terminator suit

>>51644579
>Prudent decision
So far it's the only one he made during the BL run, but we'll avoid this for now

>>51644620
Seems pretty cool, the I think the emphasis on shooting is somewhat important in that terminators as is don't shoot THAT well

They have access to combis, and two heavy weapons, but no one really used anything besides a couple combis to get into melee

>>51644667
Then its just cattifractii armour. 2 wound i could see, or maybe T5.
>>51644683
Why would they be as tough as custereds. i think using the space for more sensors would make sence. maybe give them ignors cover or something, rather than just stakcing dfences, and making catti useless

So if I buy a Fast Attack Arvus Lighter in my Matrix of Ruin, can I then start my squad of Titan Guard and possibly attached character in the thing, or do I have to take it as a Dedicated Transport, which I can't? Coming from 40k Admech, so not familiar with the transport rules. New Hoplites look like an excellent suicide drop squad, and are much cheaper than the Secutors I would have used before.

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>>51639043
Imperial Fists Testudo Cohort
>10-20 marines, either meltagun, flamer or graviton gun per 5 marines.
All marines have boarding shields and bolters equipped.
> Special Rule - Shield Lock - Toughness 5 when squad is in base contact, reroll armour save, but Slow & Purposeful.
>May take Spartan Assault Tank as a Dedicated Transport.

>>51644705
>Why would they be as tough as custereds
Because they would have downsides that the Custodes don't.

>>51644762
You mean S&P? even wit that i just feel with would replace catti, just like tartros has replaced indomidus on the TT.

>>51644683
>>51644705
Again, perhaps limit their melee options to "just" a power axe or something, but Saturnine Terminators I think should be focuses on dealing with infantry and say light to medium vehicles in terms of weapons.

As for armor, were not gonna get a custodes equivalent without it having some downsides, but then again, we should be outnumbering them with our squad

>>51644818
Okay, lets put them at the mid point
as above but
>+1 wound, +1 T
>can fire combi-bolter and heavy weapon
>Power weapons (any) insted of fist, may exchange for a second combi-bolter
>If they chose not to move, they may re-roll invuns, and may fire both combi bolters
>50 PPM base

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>>51644759
>another shield unit
Not until they make plastic breachers, at least.
Besides, that rule would be better off as an additional option in the Stone Gauntlet RoW, or a special rule available to legion Breachers and Phalanx Warders, since it's not so much a new unit as a special rule for an existing unit.

>>51644781
>You mean S&P? even wit that i just feel with would replace catti, just like tartros has replaced indomidus on the TT.
It wouldn't be a straight-up replacement for terminator squads and characters. It would cost more when used on characters, and only be available within specific unit entries.

I believe the confusion is coming from there being two things people generally want, the first and least disputed of them being a way to represent what some call "Saturnine" pattern Terminator armour, the Rogue Trader-era terminator armour and art depicting shoulder pads that look more like a turtle's shell over the head of the marine, which is generally thought should offer "equivalent" performance to the Indomitus pattern. If this is how it should be, then all that would need to be done is for FW to make models wearing this armour, since the rules are already there for representing it.

>>51644880
I have seen that pic before, there is a simialr pic, but the termnintor clearly hsa a heavy bolter mounted above his head

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>>51644781
>>51644880
The second thing people often mean by "Saturnine" armour is the idea of an armour that doubles down on the emphasis Cataphractii armour puts on protection, generally inspired by this image, which depicts the terminators fully enclosed in the head and upper torso, with arms near immobile, wielding heavy ranged weapons alongside power fists.

What that would seem to represent is a tactical niche which isn't exactly filled right now within the space marine lists, save by a handful of fringe cataphractii units from a minority of legions, the role of a heavily-protected fire support squad.

I think this unit would be interesting if it put maximum emphasis on protection, and if "legion doctrine" equipped them all with heavy weaponry.
The fact that it has a bolter mounted above its head suggests both that its mobility is poor, and that it can sustain the burden of a whole other weapon system on top of what it carries in its hands. The idea of it being just a regular terminator-style armour sacrificing melee capability for ranged firepower is silly.
So I would like it if there was a unit a bit like the Fulmentarius/Tyrants based around a super-slow but heavy armour, deployed irregularly in smaller numbers than the "rank and file" terminator armour variants.

Given its similarity in appearance to the early concept Terminator armour, which apparently is just like regular terminator armour, the obvious way to reconcile the two would be to say that the two armours share a relationship a bit like the Mark 2 and 3 power armours, perhaps?

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>>51637479
Done

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>>51645133

What is Saturnine Terminators had two weapons it could fire, IWND, but had S&P, and hits at Init 0? Like it's even slower than powerfists?

>>51645203
That's closer to what I'm thinking.

Make it hit after absolutely everything else, except perhaps other S&P units who are hitting at Initiative 1.
And the over-the-shoulder-bolter-holder would probably be the same sort of thing that Cyclone Missile Launchers get, being able to fire independently of the hand-held weapon.

>>51644869
Assuming we go this path as a separate unit, I do feel like There could be some unique weapons to this units

>Such as a S lsalvo bolter, represents the triple mag bolter in older artwork

>>51645042
I like what your thinking, Saturnine should be filling this niche role, something terminators never have really done, minus the legion specific ones you mentioned

>>51645265
>S Isalvo
Really hate phone posting at times

>>51642857
My favorites have always been Word Bearers and World Eaters.

Word Eaters
>Traitor force of World Eater psykers who sought asylum with the Word Bearers
>Symbol: open book with a bite taken out of one corner

World Bearers
>Loyalist World Eaters and Word Bearers fighting for the Emprah
>Symbol: Atlas

I've wanted to make a pair of armies with these themes forever.

>>51645448
Sounds excellent.

>>51645448
HNNNRGH
But if both Angron and Lorgar are on Word Eaters, who leads the World Bearers?

>>51645641
Erebus

>>51640948
Where is that pic from?

>>51641618

>pride
>WAAC-ing

Cheap maybe but WAAC? Nah m8

>>51641385
Your IF looked like dogshit up close and kind of like shit from afar, and your WE look kind of like shit up close and actually decent from afar (aside from the dancing butchers).

One day you might get the full approval of strangers on the internet.

>>51645709
>Erebus
>loyal to the Emperor

>>51645844
~t. guy whose pleasure in life is derived from constantly informing strangers on the internet that they don't have his approval

>>51643366

I'm not really convinced the falchion is worth an extra 100+ points over a shadowsword with space marine crew desu

>>51645883
You got me.

>>51645896
I don't think it is either.

Typhon is definitely superior to Stormsword, however.

>>51645791
Gathering of the storms 2.

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>>51639043
Atramentar

>prefer Indomitus aesthetically
>prefer Mars pattern rhino chassis aesthetically
>both are technically appropriate for 30k but less evocative of the period and also seen as cheap, pleb substitutes

Life is suffering

>>51645978
They could literally just be terror squad terminators with prefered enemy infantry, fear, and deepstrike and I'd be fine with it.

>>51646006
Mars Pattern Rhino is fine IMO.
Indomitus is questionable unless you fluff it well.

>>51645931

Typhons quite good but it's good at something different than the stormsword, namely deleting enemy infantry of all types. The stormsword is more for tough flare shield popping

Thanks to all the anons who suggested ideas for theming my upcoming DG vs UM battle. Unfortunately, due to travel constraints, we might end up doing a Kill Team game instead.

Has anyone has any experience with 30k KT games?

>>51646169
Try ZM my dude

>>51646052
Hell, I'd be fine with just PE (infantry)

>>51645448
All good apart from the bite out of the book. Sounds really silly, it's conjuring images of old Warner brothers cartoons for me.

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Should I spend my tax refund on a Velatarii squad with axes, or a Lasrifle Section?

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Thoughts of esteemed colleagues on this kitbash of a mid-heresy EC? I'm thinking lighter purple/pastels on the main armour plates, black on the trim, gold details and a light pastel green topknot.

Yes the pose is a tad gangsta and model not fully manicured, just a 5-min concept piece.

Can anyone summarise each legion's "thing" in terms of rules. What defines them and sets them apart from each other.

>>51646290
1d4chan

>>51646181
That is for reals a goal, but we have no indoor scenery. The only appropriate pieces are our Space Hulk board tiles and I imagine that's a bit cramped.

>>51646248
AXEAXEAXE

CHOP THOSE STUPID FUCKING ASTARTES TO BITS

>>51646263
Love it. Is the body a plastic TS piece?

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>>51639043
I'd love to see some sort of EC unit that isn't yet another Elite option. Maybe a fast attack unit, since the EC were also fond of quick strikes (even if it wasn't to the same degree as RG or WS)

>>51646350
>the sacred band in power armor

>>51646349
Yep! The only issue I have with that kit is the legs are a bit static, but still ultimately better than the half-squat plastic mk. 4

>>51645641
Alpharius

>>51646430
The design actually works really well for Emps Chillies, consider the idea stolen.

Is this enough models for 2k points?

HQ
Praetor (265)
- Raptora (Inv+1) + Biomancy ML3
- Cataphractii, Digilasers, grenades, paragon, arcane litanies (ignore 1st peril)

Damocles (100)


TROOPS
Sekhmet x5 (300)
- Raptora + Levitation + Molten Beam
- Combi-Plasma x5, Chainfists x2

Sekhmet x5 (300)
- Raptora + Levitation + Molten Beam
- Combi-Plasma x5, Chainfists x2

Breachers x15 (300)
- AA, Breaching Charge, Melta Bomb


FAST ATTACK
Javelin Speeder (65)
- HK Missile 2x

Javelin Speeder (65)
- HK Missile 2x

Khenetai Occult Blades x8 w/ Dreadclaw (400)
- Pavoni + Biomancy
- AA, Dreadclaw


HEAVY SUPPORT
Deredeo (215)
- Aiolos Missiles


Praetor goes with one of the Sekhmet. Damocles hides somewhere.

Khenetai roll on Biomancy. Iron Arm = pod next to a deathstar, otherwise pod next to a Sv3+ unit to remove.

Breachers and Deredeo hold the ground, everything deep strikes.

I'm thinking of dropping the Khenetai, because those 400 points could be me a lot of things.

>>51646501
Eh should have mentioned, 2k Thousand Sons with Guard of the Crimson King.

>>51642422
>shear

>>51642505
>>51642381
yeah, it's just as possible it's a yiff thing

ever since 2E they've had messed up options for termies

>>51646350
Does that make Saul Tarvitz the Black Swordsman?

>>51646290
>>51646311
This.

Short Story:

DA: Not fully out yet, but relative all-rounder, good melee.
EC: Melee - fast and skilled.
IW: Dakka. Artillery and dauntless guys.
WS: Gotta go fast - bikes everywhere.
SW: Melee and unorthodox tactics.
IF: Dakka, with a sideline in being surprisingly tough.
NL: Fast melee attacks and fear-inducing special rules.
BA: Not out yet, but melee.
IH: Toughness, tanks, and robots.
WE: Melee. Sheer numbers totally attack-focused.
UM: All-rounders, emphasis on tactics.
DG: Tough as all hell, willingness to use chemical weapons.
TS: Psychic powers everywhere.
SoH: Good for all-rounders but emphasis on close-range attacks and overwhelming the enemy.
WB: Chaos, so psychic powers and daemon allies. Mixed bag.
SAL: Good with flame weapons, master-crafted, and tough, but slow.
RG: Gotta go fast + melee, but somewhat sneaky and capable of well-placed dakka.
AL: REDACTED

>>51646568
What I was lookin for, ta!

>>51646006
Both are prefectly fine, don't let the resin elitists drag you down to their level.

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>>51646290
The forgeworld site actually has a decent set of descriptions of each legion, click on Horus Heresy at the top then Get Started Now.

>>51646218
Could you suggest an alternative? Because I rather agree.

>>51646627
Maybe a chained book.

>>51646568
And then there's the Mechanicum :"Fuck the Legion shits, acquire artillery and bloops"

>>51646665
That's actually pretty good.
Certainly better than my second choice (the World Eater's symbol, but with a book instead of the planet).
Danke.

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>>51646671
>Fuck the Legion shits, acquire artillery and bloops
You said it. Fuck 'em Emperor and Warmaster both, Omnissiah for life.

I kind of wished that Xana II had kept being neutral after Scoria took over, just reformed it's old empire. They certainly have the capability.

*Ordinatus Intensifies*

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>>51646263
Neat!

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r8 my babby's first 1500pt Death Guard list so I can decide what bits I need to buy from Forge World

The Reaping ROW (1497 pts.)

>HQ
Marshall Durak Rask (165)

>Elites
-Apothecarion Detachment - 3 apothecaries, 2 w/combi-flamers (155)
-Contemporary Dreadnought Talon - 2 dreads w/CCWs and multi-meltas (350)

>Troops
-Legion Tactical Squad x13 - 12 marines w/extra CCWs, sergeant w/artificer armor, rad grenades and powerfist (216)
-Legion Tactical Squad x13 - 12 marines w/extra CCWs, sergeant w/artificer armor, rad grenades, melta bomb and power sword (216)

>Heavy Support
-Legion Heavy Support Squad - 5 men w/heavy flamers (135)
-Legion Heavy Support Squad - 9 men w/missile launchers (260)


Rask goes with missile launcher squad for tank hunter, 2 apothecaries go with the tactical squads and 1 to the heavy flamer squad. Dreads do dreadnought things.
yes this list is mostly from B@C and BoP boxes, sue me

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>>51644513
Alright, you've swayed me. The fire pike also looks pretty unique and damn cool.

>>51646169
ZM ZM ZM ZM ZM

DG do really well in ZM

>>51646833
So the heavy support squads become non compulsory troops which is great. The flamer section could use a rhino to get close. Otherwise at 1500 its about what I'd expect. Blasts might be the only thing to wipe you fast, or things with 2+

Thinking aloud:


Tallaran
>(IW, Army, Tonks)
WS journey to Terra
>(WS, Chaos EC, Chaos DG)
Mars
>(Dark Mech, Loyal Mech)
Shadow Crusade
>(Chaos WE, WB?, UM wartime/vets)
Shattered Legion Campaigns
>(RG, IH, Sallies, Chaos SoH)
"Fall of the Gates"
>(SW, IF, AL all late heresy, Titan Death/Wolf Cull)
Siege 1/2

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How to build BA from BoP? Three vet tacs with PWs for everyone?

>>51646986
Power Axe/Sword vets are pretty good. Going to need some assault marines if you want to run Day of Revelation.

>>51646963
>Titan Death

Thats gonna be the focus of Adeptus Mechanicus and I dont think Tallarn requires a book to itself.

I expect the Solar War campaign to be the next book after Angelus.

>>51647017
>Adeptus Mechanicus

I meant Titanicus.

>>51646248
>fighting supersoldiers who can rip apart the very fabric of reality
>show up with an axe
I fucking love these guys. They wouldn't fit in my army AT ALL but I love them.

>>51646725
The Ordinatus Ulator makes the Emperors Children look like babies.

"Your beats burst heads? Mine burst bunkers"

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>>51646382

How does Typhon do in practice? Never seen him on the table, considering him over a Praetor because I've got a few extra points to spunk which can't really fit elsewhere.

He looks like he'd prefer to be with Grave Wardens, but he's armed like a Deathshroud.

>>51640156
Who are these power armour cock fiends?

>>51647002
Naw this is straight from BoP for now. Besides mk3 is the sexiest mark

>>51647167

I imagine the proto noise marines and Dark Mech reenacting the scene from Iron Man 2 after Tony meets Black Widow.

EC "I want one."
Magos "No."

Mk2 or Mk3 breachers, pick for me

>>51647246
Mk 3 was specifically built to do jobs like what the breachers do.

>>51647246
MKIV, the best armor. :^)

>>51647212
You need to run the day of sorrow then. Sadly BA really shine in combat, so vet loadouts should be based on ccws and such

>>51646912
I was thinking about switching out the apothecary on that flamer squad for a rhino so maybe I will. I'm trying to eventually make a mostly foot-slogging force with a WW1 flavor to it, infantry advancing under artillery bombardment, so I want to minimize the number of vehicles.

>>51647246

MK6
So they can see over their shields better.
:^)

>>51647087
I kind of feel like the Heresy is the reason that the Solar Auxilia pattern gave way to a Cadian-like organisation of forces in the Guard, but then, the Guard is and always has been composed of batshit ideas for regiments, scooped up from their own worlds and hurled at the enemy for shits and giggles.

If anything that's the one thing that bugs me about the line, though I understand it's much more about costs of production and low sales than anything else: there should be more regiments that seriously deviate from the norms, like Elysians. Rough Riders were a good start, but they always seemed like they'd be outclassed by the increasing numbers of dreadnoughts and tanks, and they don't carry heavy weapons, and they were only ever great for one charge. Power lances would have made them playable; even just re-usable explosive lances, handwaving the shafts as super-tough.

Tallarn should have been infiltrators; Mordians should have been in-de-fuckin-structible infantry that outlast their own tanks; Vostroyans should have had default access to that waves thing their special character does; Cadians default firstrank/secondrank; Catachans.. I mean, they had their own Codex, but it was dogshit and those sniper rules were just the worst. They needed rotor cannon heavies in special squads and move through cover or stealth as standard, instead of just in jungles* (*welcome to the jungle, I've destroyed it with agent orange & napalm before your arrival kn-kn-kn-kneees! KNEES!)

Like a Chapter Tactics deal, but for the IG/AM. Then you could even slot your insane ax-wieldin' maniacs right in, instead of just gunline squads-pieplate division-superheavy-andsomeogrynsforcolour. They've always needed to get their distinction at the regimental level, instead of from special characters, because that just leaves you facing opponents who've packed up on special characters to create the regimental equivalent of fanfiction.

Just bolters would have kept the Squat players happy.

>>51647298
Then don't run things that need very short range as they will likely die before getting close enough to shoot. Their other RoW also helps infantry get across the board a well with cover saves, but not as good as the reaping probably

>>51647017
>I expect the Solar War campaign to be the next book after Angelus
Didn't someone from FW mention during the Angelus seminar that they wanted to work on Dorns model before starting on The Lion or was that bullshit?

>>51647246
Mk3 because this >>51647279

>>51647334
From what I head the line up is this: Sanguinius, Dorn, Lion.

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>>51647167
The Mechanicum pretty much outdoes the Legions on most fronts, really. Battlefleet? Awesome squid-ships that board the enemy by smashing tentacles into them and injecting automata and Thallax, and the Brazen Vultures and Arks Mechanicus.

Siege: Sod off, IW. Ordo Reductor do it better and whine about it less, and make half your toys.

Crazy weapons? EC and DG go home, we do sonics and phosphex better.

Other than the WS and TS, because boops don't get poetry or mindbullets, don't see why the fleshbags deserve any of our stuff, anyway. And even for those, binharic psalms and Psi-Titans.

>>51647332
Fair enough, what would be a good choice for the other heavy weapon squad besides missile launchers? I suppose I could do two squads of 7 as well if missile launchers are a solid choice all around.

I'm trying to make this list as autistically fluffy as possible, and there's a couple buffs to frag missiles so that's why I'm prioritizing them desu

>>51647314
>Mordians should have been in-de-fuckin-structible infantry that outlast their own tanks

How does that make any sense at all? They fight in a way that makes them easier to kill and don't even wear helmets.

>>51647314
>Vostroyans should have had default access to that waves thing their special character does
Valhallans, actually, but I see your point.
Also, did, not does. They don't have a character any more.

>>51647413
Autocannons are cheap and great. Otherwise Volkite culverin can shred infantry, and lascannons are expensive. Laser rapiers are better I think. Missiles are the best all rounders by far and are fluffy

>>51647377
Let's hope they aren't trying to just squeeze Dorn in there to get his model out of the way like they did with Sigismund.

>>51646599
>don't let the resin patricians pull you up from the unwashed masses
FTFY

>>51647492
I'm just excited for Sanguinius! When he finally fucking comes at Christmas (AKA March 2018)

>>51647482
Interesting, thanks for the tips. I think I'll aim for 2 7-man squads of missile launchers for now, then I'll add in some more fun toys once I expand the army.

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Just ordered my leviathan. /hhg/ give me your best stories about fielding this beast.

>>51646053
>Indomitus gets made around the same time Tartaros and Saturnine
>but don't use it, unless you can homebrew it really well

Fuck off, m8.

>>51646501
Anon, don't forget that harnessing at 3+ means that with two dice you have 89% to manifest WC1 power.

Don't underestimate that bonus, it will give you more buffs and less perils.

>>51647745
I can only tell you all the times my AL have dealt with one. Everybody but me seems to love these ugly fuckers for some reason.

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Someone on B&C emailed FW about custard lords of war.

>>51648009
Well, now their entire army is in a Stormbird. Fun :)

Do I need the red books AND the black books to play, or am I good with just one type? I plan to buy the nice Book 1-3 set to start off with

>>51647197
Blackshields (Thunder Warriors) I'm applying washes tonight. Nihalak oxide is going to be sexy for weathering this purple/red tinted monsters.

>>51648053
Just the red books, really. Though I'm not sure all the missions and things like ZM rules (in book 1) made it into the red books.

>>51648143
People play the missions?

>>51648143
The two Red books first if you want to play, the older black books have very outdated rules.

>>51648174
why wouldn't you?

>>51648214
Which two red books? There's 4 and only the mechanicum book seems unnecessary

>>51648248
Nevermind, I'm retarded.

Follow-up question: I want to collect the campaign books, so would any screeching autists give me trouble if I just used the .pdf versions of the red book from my phone? I'm not being a prrofag, I just don't want to spend $1000 on books

>>51648214
whoops that was meant for >>51648053

>>51648305
>so would any screeching autists give me trouble
If this is happening do no play them.

Also why would you cant to travel with those big ass tomes. Their cost alone would prohibit me from bringing them anywhere, let alone their size.

>>51648339
To clarify what I meant, I plan to collect the black books and eventually own them all, and I don't want to also buy the red books when I can use the .pdfs of them instead.

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SISTERS OF SILENCE HQ MODELS WHEN

CYBER JACKALS WHEN

>>51648381
I know, i was giving you more good reasons to use pdfs

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>>51638972
Dah comrade our time is now.
For the Mother Emperor.

I like the sleeker design of 30k bikes but prefer the placement of the bolters on 40k ones. A quandary, to be sure.

>>51648381
I wouldn't show up to Warhammer World with the pdfs, but yeah, few people will care. If you do go to any GW-funded events, you may have to buy the digital version.

>>51648466
I always imagined you would just bring a printed version and claim you didn't want to cause undo wear to the book.

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>not wanting to have classy tomes to look at while playing 30k

>>51641708
Is using pride to spam terminators ok. I like my terminators. Plus DG should like them, as they are all slow and impeccable...

>>51648505
I want to see you carry those hueg, heavy books to the LGS every week. On bicycle. Through rain, snow, and hail.

>>51647755
Gets used =/= used commonly.

"m8"

I use Indomitus myself you spastic.

>>51648622
Now you just have to provide evidence that they were somehow limited.

>I use Indomitus

I sure hope you got a real good reason to do so, seeing how rare they were.

>>51648505
Who this slav qt be?

>>51648542
Definitely, everybody loves terminators.
As a DG player, how do you feel about the new yiff terminators' options (HF for all per 10pts/model)?

>>51645883
But.. he is right though

>>51648670
>Who this slav qt be?
ask r9k

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>>51648612
sounds like laziness

>>51647783
That's true. Working on a smaller 1.5k points list, I think better harnessing is important for that.

Thousand Sons, 1500 points, Pride of the Legion

HQ
Ahriman, 225
- Corvidae (Re-roll to-hit 1's if still), Divination ML4


TROOPS
Breachers x10, 220
- Raptora (Improve Inv by 1)
- AA, Breaching Charge

Veterans x10, 255
- Corvidae, Divination ML1, Marksmen
- Asphyx Shells, AA, Melta Bomb, Combi-Plas 1x, Rhino

Veterans x10, 255
- Corvidae, Divination ML1, Marksmen
- Asphyx Shells, AA, Melta Bomb, Combi-Plas 1x, Rhino


HEAVY SUPPORT
Deredeo, 215
- Aiolos

Heavy Support Squad 8x, 310
- ??? Raptora maybe, in case of Forewarning.
- Volkite Culverins, AA, Augury Scanner

Ahriman goes with the HSS. Breachers Scout. Vets Scout or Outflank.

Almost every single power Ahriman gets will be useful to the HSS, who are throwing out 32 60" S6 AP5 Deflagrating shots/turn.

If Ahriman gets Scryer's Gaze then no reason not to Outflank the vets like a boss.

6+d6 warp charges, harnessed on 3+, so the Vets are fairly safe and Ahriman can toss out multiple powers/turn.

>>51648670
Eh. Grave Wardens still better
So many templates.... all the poison... plus overwatch. Same price as fist armed termies, with an infinitely better gun!
Forcing disordered charges is also sweet.
WE, EC, Space Yiffs not so scary without extra attacks, strength, initiative on the charge...

>>51648612
Uphill both ways?
Without shoes?
On foot?

>>51648612
t. Manlet

>>51648655
>Now you just have to provide evidence that they were somehow limited.
The relative lack of them in HH-era official art suggests as much. As does the fact that most legions' elite units get assigned either Tartaros or Cataphractii, not generic terminator armour or Indomitus specifically.

I admit I can't source it precisely, because this is a fictional narrative setting and not real history, but what I remember hearing was that it was a "later" development of Terminator armour, that sacrificed quality for quantity, and that many legions were only being outfitted with terminator armour only a short while before the heresy, which lead me to believe that it was a more common pattern in those legions which were in supply from their faction's less remote Forge Worlds.

If you have "evidence" that Indomitus was indeed widely and freely used, I would unironically be glad to see it, because more options for "your dudes" and a kill-shot against the worst armour autists would be all positive.

>>51648682
In this case, yes, and "Iron Fists" was a bad bad move, but I'm sick of A) negativity, and B) whiners reacting like rabid dogs when the guy who made them posts ANYTHING, particularly when his WEs aren't bad, just not super-skilled or particularly creative, and he posts pics of them in-game.

>>51648391
Neverrrrrrr

>>51648670
Kasia

>Listening to Huun-Huur-Tu while reading Scars

Mmm. Thematic.

>>51648833
Can you really not find the points to upgrade those single combiplasmas to plasma guns?

Also, AV14 may be a bit of a problem. Might be worth trying to find the points for a pair of grav guns on the breachers as well.

>>51648846
They definitely are better, I agree. I'm still surprised none of the attrition-friendly legions got that option instead of the SW.
I honestly see no point in taking Grave Wardens out in melee, especially in the Reaping or the Coils.

>>51648860
With one full armycase over each shoulder
And one full armycase chained to each ankle
And a full backpack with drinks and food to get you through the evening

>>51648401
>>51648466
>>51648499
That's all I needed to know. Didn't really want to lug the books to the store anyway. Thanks lads

>>51648833
Remember that WC1 costs two and WC2 four(you could risk with 3) dice, and plan accordingly.


Regarding HSS, you probably want rerolling 1s so you don't need to spend dice on Prescience.

>>51648505
>being one of those faggots who drools over weird european hipsters and literally saves a collection of pictures of them because they're your imaginary wife or some shit and then reposts them for no fucking reason

GO. MEET. A. GIRL. IT. IS. NOT. HARD. I. AM. AN. UGLY. SHITHEAP. AND. EVEN. I. DID. IT.

>>51649141
Good post.

>>51649018
>>51649090
I messed up and counted the points for the HSS wrong. I can do all of that if I drop one HSS.

Ahriman, 225

10x Vets, 285
- Corvidae + Divination ML1 + Marksmen
- Asphyx, AA, 2x Plasma Gun, Melta Bomb, Rhino

10x Vets, 285
- Corvidae + Divination ML1 + Marksmen
- Asphyx, AA, 2x Plasma Gun, Melta Bomb, Rhino

10x Breachers, 230
- Raptora
- AA, Breaching Charge, 1x Graviton Gun

Heavy Support Squad x7, 260
- Corvidae
- Volkite Culverins, AA, Augury Scanner

Deredeo, 215
- Aiolos

I think I like this. Lots of infantry which is perfect for getting that 30k feel and a Deredeo as a centerpiece model.

10 Melta-Bomb Breachers with a kitted out Sergeant in a Storm Eagle or 10 CCW+Volkite Charger Support Squad with a kitted out Sergeant in a Storm Eagle?

I already have the two infantry units and I want a Storm Eagle because it's cool, I'm just not sure how to make it work.

>>51647408

The Mechanicum hate Psi-Titans as an abomination though.

>>51649197
Meltabombs, like all grenades, are errata'd to only 1 per unit in melee, unless your local playerbase agreed to ignore that part of the FAQ

>>51649171
If Ahriman fails to roll Perfect Timing, consider having him do something else, assuming that he doesn't need to protect HSS from a deepstrike or something.

>>51649255
This is important. The Psi-Titans are the Emperor's toys. Mars is pretty pissed about their existence.

>>51649304
Not too much else for him to do. Scout with the Breachers maybe?

>>51649255
>>51649346

Maybe so, but Dark Mech Best Mech and they don't care. Anyway, we help fix the Golden Throne once empy is there, and also arm pretty much everyone but those and 10k irrelevant golden idiots, so suck it, Terawatts. Also build, maintain and fix almost all the ships, so if they want to actually move those anywhere they'll need at least a few of us. :)

Daemon Titans when

>>51649346
The Mechanicum is like that with a lot of stuff they use though, the Cybernetica think the Reductor are mindless bomb-junkies They are and everyone else thinks the Cybernetica have almost no idea what they are doing with the bloops They don't

They are still god engines, just powered by bad juju, there is bound to be sects within the Mechanicum who think that they are hot shit.

>>51649426

Siege of Terra most likely. That's when we'll see the Chaos Warlord.

>>51649396
Ironically the Dark Mech can't actually use Psi-Titans, as they are limited specifically to Loyalist armies, truly the Dark Mech were duped when convinced to go rogue.

>>51649450

They're powered by torturng and bleeding alpha level Psykers dry. They work the same way the Astronomican does, though instead of projecting a giant Beacon, they blast the enemy with Psychic Black holes while repairing the Titan and swatting away enemies,

>>51649476
Yes, I know how they work, but in the eyes of the Mechanicum, that's all just "That stuff which is gay and we don't fuck around with."

REAL bad juju

Is MkV a true mark of armor or just cobbled together parts?

>>51649470
Noticed. I expect we'll get our own toys soon, anyway, since we're in Angelus. If not, I can always fall back on the StormWhale that might be approaching completion by then, at my pace of work.

That gets me thinking, how would a Dark Biologis Titan look?
Problem with the Genetors is it's hard to do "clean" mad science without looking like a Dark Eldar or Nurgle project.

>>51649526

A Biologis Titan would be ripped straight out of 'Attack on Titan'

>>51649510
Its both.

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>>51648953
>The relative lack of them in HH-era official art suggests as much.

Pic related, collected visions.

Also Epic terminators, I think. The game was originally set during HH, after all.

If the lack of images is your measure, then I suppose the lack of land speeders, attack bikes and whirlwinds in FW books is a clear indication those didn't see any action during the Heresy either.

>most legions' elite units get assigned either Tartaros or Cataphractii

It's almost like FW wants you to buy their shit.

>what I remember hearing was that it was a "later" development of Terminator armour, that sacrificed quality for quantity, and that many legions were only being outfitted with terminator armour only a short while before the heresy, which lead me to believe that it was a more common pattern in those legions which were in supply from their faction's less remote Forge Worlds.

Meanwhile FW's own HH books say quite clearly that Indomitus, Saturnine and Tartaros were made roughly at the same time in different places, independent of one another.

>>51649510
This is a question that brings forth much autism, but the least autistic, most helpful head?canon is that there was "a" design that was proliferated across the Forge Worlds, and there were commonalities in different designs based on the nature of power armour and future sci-fi engineering concerns (studs, for example), but "Mark 5" was the name applied to any deliberately-constructed mish-mash* or nonstandard design during the heresy era.

*So the likes of what was cobbled together on-the-fly by retreating loyalists on Istvaan 5 wasn't "mark 5", but if they were to, for example, refashion and upgrade that mish-mash into a lasting, purpose-built suit, it would be "mark 5".