Pathfinder General /pfg/

Currently finishing up the eastern european races. I would love opinion on them.

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WHL10oJslOkQlm8cgm2rXm88BQPzgNjQq3fAhUMg7b8/edit?usp=sharing

These are the proposed races (plus human) for the campaign The Revolution of Corkheel Square.

>>51281231
>What's the biggest left turn into goofy that your game has taken? Has it been all serious all the time?

We gave serious consideration on the logistics of stuffing a dead Jeremy Irons into our Bag of Holding to get him out of a besieged city.

Halfway through we started doing Christopher Walken impressions and all plot momentum was lost.

>>51281231
>What's the biggest left turn into goofy that your game has taken? Has it been all serious all the time?

Oh, jesus, we got arrested for entering a city that we had been banned from. While we were in our cells, the druid told the guard that he could turn into a dinosaur. The guard said that dinosaurs aren't real and the two of them got into an argument about it. Eventually the bard joined in and told the druid to transform and prove it.... so he did.

And we escaped the city on the back of a fucking dinosaur as guards tried shooting us off of it.

>>51281231

What's his DPR anons?

>level 20 fighter

>32 str
>14 dex
>14 con
>10 int
>12 wis
>8 cha

>feats: weapon focus (falchion), greater weapon focus (falchion), weapon specialization (falchion), greater weapon specialization (falchion), improved critical (falchion), power attack, vital strike, improved vital strike, greater vital strike, critical focus, staggering critical, sickening critical, critical mastery, stunning critical, penetrating strike, greater penetrating strike, lunge, dodge, step up, toughness, improved initiative

>class abilities: weapon training (heavy blades) +4, weapon mastery (falchion)

>items:

>+5 falchion
>+6 str str belt

>>51281362
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

You tell us.

And don't forget to include your accuracy rates INSIDE the critical calculation too.

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Why no Avowed Pact for esoteric concepts like the Sun or Moon.

>>51281491
Because hundreds of different possible pacts

Just homebrew your own

>>51281362
>all that and not switching to F A L C A T A

>>51281362
He has 4 attacks because he has no way of giving himself haste. He has no way of increasing his size. He also has no advanced weapon trainings.

So here is what I am looking at:
>(5*.70*(2.5*2+16+18+5+4+4))+(5*3*.30*(2.5*2+16+18+5+4+4))
>416 DPR

This is assuming all attacks hit.

>>51281491
I do miss THAT side of the ol' starlocks.
We've got the 'eldritch horror' old ones, but no Student of Caiphon>>Radiant One pact. Remember those?

>>51281231
Every session, we almost always have at least 1 spongebob reference. We get a lot of miles out of it, just like the miles we got on our rocks.

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>>51281511

But homecraft is tuff

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>>51281231
After Ultimate Magic came out, the PCs took a voyage on the Sea of Fallen Stars.

The gnome tore a piece of bread in half and put pieces of his dinner in it.

Sandwiches did not exist in Faerun until then.

The gnome explained to the crew what he was doing, but the Cleric of Tempus, who had ranks in Profession (Cook) was disgusted by his explanation.

The rest of the night became Iron Chef, using opposed skill checks from the dueling rules.

>>51281530
He's level 20. Does he not have enough money to afford Boots of Haste and Permanent Enlarge Person?

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>>51281537
>We've got the 'eldritch horror' old ones, but no Student of Caiphon>>Radiant One pact. Remember those?

>Paizo titters over Eldritch Horror every ding dong day
>The Gods of Sun and Moon are either better known for other things, or stuffed away in the quiet korner for kriminally retarded kids

'Member Pelor? I 'member Pelor. I want to Praise the Sun again. I can't do that with Sarenrae.

>>51281569
Oh yes, Sun McBeardy, the Healer. I 'member him. What is it about Sarenrae that prevents you from praising the sun?

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>>51281491
Construct Pact when? I want to have my Betrothed Companion be a fragment of my own soul!

>>51281568
The sheet didn't list them so I only made assumptions on the sheet.

>>51281362
'bout 247 without haste. A lot of wasted feats in there though.

>>51281569
>not wanting to make a pact with the moon to hasten the inevitable destruction of Terminus.

Not gonna lie, Groteus is fucking metal

>>51281636

>wasted feats

it's a core only fighter, what's he going to take?

>>51281231
You know what I need?
I need for someone to go and stick apropriate googly eyes on EVERY single Pathfinder hardcover book.

I neeed this in my life

>>51281530
>all attacks hit

Not going to happen past attack 3 or so.

>>51281658
Core as in core rulebook or only paizo's core line of books?

>>51281607
It makes me happy to see you, Construction Man.

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>>51281607
... you don't want to pilot it instead?
Maybe have it be not so much a fragment of you, but actually the you from another universe?

>>51281607
>mfw suddenly I'm playing an Eclipse Phase character and my companions are actually copies are me

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>>51281597
>What is it about Sarenrae that prevents you from praising the sun?

Her association with the Sun only seems to extend so far as her title as "The Dawnflower" and her connection with Arabian Nights.

99% of the time, when you hear about Sarenrae it's about her being the Goddess of Redemption and killing the evil ones. With Pelor at least he had the full Sun and Fire thing going, with Sarenrae it's just vague Middle Eastern stuff.

Is there anyway to get an enchantment bonus on Aether pulses outside of using it with rounds?

>>51281231
They're in the wrong place for Seoni.
You KNOW where they need to go.

>>51281712
>You KNOW where they need to go.

You don't use googly eyes for tits.

You use that soft squishy stuff they put in Mouse Pads.

>>51281708
None in the first book.
None last time I checked the second book.

>>51281671
It's good to see you too, anon.

>>51281674
That would be something entirely different, anon, though not an unwelcome set of alternative features.

>>51281708
>>51281724
I don't get why goggles of focused rays or something like that don't exist.

It seems like such a no-brainier magic item.

>>51281718
... I was going to go
>THE HELL YOU DON'T
with an appropriate image, but it turns out I have no googly eyes here and the dollar store closed an hour ago.

Is PF better than 3.5?

>>51281799
Sort of.

>>51281668

Core rulebook only

>>51281799
It fixes a handful of things, opens up as many new problems, but... it does nowadays offer a lot more alternative 3pp subsystems.

As Core only though, the only reason to switch would be you can't find most of your 3.5 stuff anymore and half your search results are that godawful storm of shit links to "d&dwiki > homebrew" that pretend they're not until you get to the bottom of the page fucking everywhere.

>tfw the concept I want doesn't play well with any PF material first or third party
>The class either has the mechanics, but not the stats
>Or has the stats, but can't do the mechanics well.
Suffering.

>>51281809
I see. I've played hundreds of hours of NWN and know 3e quite well, and recently started playing 5e with some friends and find it kinda lacking. Now I'm considering proposing a switch to 3.5 or PF.

>>51281799
Wotc became better at class design in the 6 or so years they've been working, paizo's been working for longer and has not.

>>51281799
Yes and no. It has more fun options out the gate, and they fixed minor things, but in general its really isn't

>>51281231
We entered a trench war with some redcaps by digging our trenches with magic, laying traps to their front and bombarding them with slings because we didn't want to waste resources. In retaliation they entered small holes in the wall and returned fire. Over time we won, so their survivors retreated into a dead end cave. Still not wanting to waste resources we tried smoking them out with the corpses of their fallen allies serving as fuel, but they all started blowing the smoke our way, forcing us to retreat back to our trenches. The redcaps got reinforcements and went to the offensive by flooding our trench with sewage and mud. Refusing to give up we all burrowed into the mud, hoping for the fey to come to us, but in unleashing the sewage they had also flooded their own holes and were back on the defensive as they were digging their own trench. Growing bored our sorcerer decided to fireball them. With the momentum from the fireball we charge in, only to fall into our own pitfalls that were just deep enough that our heads could still be seen. Redcaps then try to seize the moment charge in, only to trigger the rest of our pitfalls and bear traps, mostly getting stuck while bare few make through. At this point both sides call truce and try this again tomorrow as we retreat back to the surface and the redcaps fill the trenches and pitfalls with sand, both sides tired and humiliated

>>51281835
Just use PF because it's the only thing with active support these days. Nobody makes 3.5 adventures or campaigns anymore.

Guns

>All take a full round action to reload
>Hit regular AC
>Roll 2d20, take lowest to attack
>If both hit, automatically threaten critical
>If both are 20, automatically threaten and confirm
>If either rolls a 1, weapon jams/misfires and you must reload
>If both roll a 1, the weapon explodes and hits you

Thoughts?

>>51281832
Don't just say that and not elaborate, anon.

>>51281835
Probably better to go with Pathfinder, all told. A lot of it's cleaned up somewhat.

While you can use PF stuff with 3.5 and 3.5 stuff with Pathfinder, it's probably better to do the latter of the two.

>>51281854
Well, 3.5 was the dominant system for a while, so surely there's a wealth of material for it.

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WotR DM! WotR DM!

Are you going to be altering any of the problematic plot points in Books 1 or 2?

>>51281862
That's absolutely retarded. Like an extra special level of retarded.

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Gentlemen, how do we release Rovagug?

>>51281799
Not so much. They touched on a few things that 3.5 did poorly but for the most part the designers are terrified of math and ignore it because it makes them feel bad. It's also infested by troons that will re-write stuff over and over again because they can't decide if trannies should be accepted or if they want to focus on "muh struggle".

>>51281862
I think dying in a fire is too good for you, troll.

>>51281862
Nah.

>>51281864
There is a wealth of material, but PF is cleaned up in a number of areas that you'd want to use IT as a base over 3.5.

And you can still use 3.5 stuff in PF with little editing. It's just PF has a better foundation than 3.5

>>51281883
Wait for all the other gods to die.

>>51281889
>>51281877

shouldn't you be lewdposting?

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>>51281862

>>51281883
Find a loophole in the contract of creation that causes clauses related to rovagug's imprisonment to be voided.

>>51281883
We don't.
Anything that destructive should be harnessed into a coherent beam of destruction.

The "prison planet" becomes a new Death Star

>>51281903
No, those rules are absolutely but fuck retarded.

Why would anyone every use a gun with those rules?

>>51281883
Tickle his nuts until he wakes up

>>51281883
Make Asmo go full edgelord fedora, and have him open up Rova's cage as a final bout of "YOU DIDN'T WIN!"

>>51281863
No. I've given up. I've asked around the thread more than just a few times and I don't get satisfactory answers.

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>>51281712
Her hips?

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>>51281903
New laptop, I don't really HAVE much reaction images just yet.

Have a party tank.

>>51281912
The contract with written by Asmodeus himself, literally the god of contracts.

>>51281862
>Hey, lets take the shittiest weapon option in the game, and make it shittier!!!
Never play pathfinder again

>>51281950
I'd drink from those tats.

>>51281950

Is that supposed to be darkness?

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>>51281950
have smug elves

>>51281943
Well, tell me right now, and I promise I'll post immediately if I know of anything or not

>>51281939
Nope, that's probably a contingency in the law magic used to bind Rovagug in the cage. "If I die (see page MDXIII for defintion) release Rovagug."

>>51281974
It IS.

>>51281960
He is also the god of self absorbed dicks, so there is 100% chance that the contract has a minute loophole that includes something related to his navel gazing tendencies.

>>51281949
KD is like Disney except instead of everyone getting ranks in Perform (Sing) everyone gets ranks in Hips.

>>51281949
I just can't get over how thicc those hips are.
They just don't lie

>>51282003
Yeah but probably just as a personal contingency.

>I wouldn't do that if I were you. We wouldn't want a little something to get out now would we.

>>51282003
>He is also the god of self absorbed dicks, so there is 100% chance that the contract has a minute loophole that includes something related to his navel gazing tendencies.
You actually have to be retarded if you think Asmodeus would leave a loophole.

>>51281949
I do so love thin girls with wide hips.

No fat chicks though.

>>51282022
>>51282015
Speaking of which, the raws for the next chapter of Elf-san wa Yaserarenai were released.

>>>/a/152388977

>>51282045
GREAT SPACE THAT BOOTY!

>>51282037

Kingdom Death is god's gift to us, brother.

>>51282026
He wouldn't leave one for anyone ELSE you mean.

>>51281950
Goddamn now that's a paladin you can get behind. Well, Crusader.

Best end would definitely be Megumin wife with Darkness as 2nd/concubine. Mostly just because that would be degrading to her noble self, which will turn her on, and Megumin's a sweetie.

>>51281986
You think trying to create the classic Black Mage in Pathfinder would be easy as hell.
But there is no class that is
>Int focused
>Deals good ranged AoE/Elemental Damage
>Is not Vanician
Like the closest you can get is an Optimized Destruction Sphere caster but then everyone starts hating you forever
or
A Psion but they have trouble maintaining a role of damage dealer after a while.

>>51281997

NO

DARKNESS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MUSCULAR ARMS AND ABS

ABS

>Bows: 1d8 18-20 x2, crit
>Crossbows: 1d10 damage, 19-20 x2 crit
>Guns: 1d8 damage, 20 x4 crit

>All are free action to reload. All attack regular AC. Bows and crossbows get heavier pull which requires more strength. Guns get rifling which for some reason requires more strength.

>Hand crossbow/shortbow/hand gun = 50 foot range, same damage
Regular crossbow/longbow/gun = 100 foot range, same damage

Thoughts?

>>51282089

Kazuma x Darkness looks like it's going to happen, anon.

Do you guys think that Groetus has in the boneyard because when Pharasma finally judges the last soul he finally has the courage to descent on the world to ask her out?

>>51281231
So, lots of talk about the base Avowed now and lots of talk/memes about the Betrothed.

What do people think about the Aspirant?
To me, it's in a very weird place conceptually.

It takes away a bunch of things from the base Avowed:
>Reduced damage and DCs when below level 8
>Can't take as many clauses because you want to take form modifications
>Pact empowerments can't be used outside of aspiration form

In return, you get a bunch of interesting new things: unique pact abilities and form modifications, but... absolutely everything new you get from the archetype, except for one modification from Impatient Transcendence, only applies in your Aspirant form for 5-7 rounds a day.
I'm not sure how this works in combat balance, but the feeling of it is very odd.

It's like "you trade out a lot of cool things for things that are slightly more cool in theory, but made much less cool because you can barely ever use them".

Do others feel this is a fair trade? Am I missing something about it?

>>51282103
um...
she's wearing a nighty.
it kinda, you know.
that's not abs that's cloth.

She DOES have the abs though. She's also got fairly strong arms, but not the giant man shoulders, and said arms are rock-hard.

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>>51282093
>Like the closest you can get is an Optimized Destruction Sphere caster but then everyone starts hating you forever
Then don't Optomize the Destruction Sphere, just go straight Sphere Wizard or Incanter with no scum dipping, and maybe some other spheres as well to balance it out. Or an Elementalist might work, though thats reaching into Redmage turf (though you will be able to actually kill things with your knife)

Or make a Spellburst Savant

Or that one NJolly Kineticist archetype that replaces Burn and Con reliance with Int instead

>>51282127
I like the concept ONLY because it lets you be Devilman without being a fucking summoner but it seems really shitty.

>>51282122

>Groetus is awkward around people
>Can't ask his waifu out with people watching
>Pharasma makes the procession of a million souls awaiting judgement pass right under him so he never has the opportunity to ask

It's like some shitty anime

>>51282117
Also retarded

>>51282120
Kazuma x Megumin very nearly did in 9, and in Volume 10...
she interrupts what Darkness admits was going to be a few days of raping kazuma in his sleep after drugging him

>>51282143
>Then don't Optomize the Destruction Sphere, just go straight Sphere Wizard or Incanter with no scum dipping
Shit
.
Like it seems like you're either doing too much damage or not enough all the time. If I wanted to be mediocre as a damage dealer I'd be a Psion.
>Or make a Spellburst Savant
Wisdom Based, and Vancian.
>Or that one NJolly Kineticist archetype that replaces Burn and Con reliance with Int instead
Shit damage


Like I said, there's no winning and I'm throwing in the towel.

>>51282152
So exactly what is right up /pfg/'s alley?

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When it comes to being a Cleric, has anyone ever made theirs self-sufficient with melee combat? I don't mean trying to usurp the role of a fighter or any other martial character, but more about being capable of handling encounters on your own volition rather than blowing a ton of spells to get through it.

Pic kinda related

>>51282200

Yes, it's called take combat reflexes and a reach weapon

>>51281680
Pelor doesn't even have the Fire domain you silly billy. It really sounds like you don't actually know what you're talking about, given that there's a lot more to Sarenrae's sun connection than you're saying there is.

>>51282179
>I don't want to be a scumbag
>But I cannot have fun at all unless I go full hog optomization
>Nor can I actually find the decent middle ground of adequate damage between being mediocre and being scummy
The problem is you, anon. You need to adjust your mindset. Plus you can do decent enough damage as a non-dipped Destruction caster to still perform your job adequately. Its not like You're up the kineticist shit creek without a paddle.

Your mindset is the problem, just stop being autistic and you'll be better.

Or maybe just look at the d20 Final Fantasy RPG instead, and see if that's any good at fitting your desire

faggot

>>51282215

It's strange that neither Pelor nor the Burning Hate actually have Fire domain

>>51282215

Oh yeah, smart guy? Name three references to Sarenrae's connection to the Sun!

>>51282093
The classic Black Mage is Vancian.

>http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_(Final_Fantasy)

>>51282167

>Megumin
>Now Darkness

Oh dear lord, are we getting an Aqua x Kazuma next?

>>51282093
Actually, the MOST classic of classic black mages was vancian. Sorcerer, specifically.

But if you want MP, then Spheres IS what you want. You don't even have to do the shit-tastic 'incantersorcelementalist' garbage. Just be an Elementalist. Pick Fire, Ice and Lightning for your favored elements. Then get Improved Favored Element so they all get the same bonus. Done.

>>51282233
>>But I cannot have fun at all unless I go full hog optimization
That's not it. I like my characters being good at what they do. Most of the options you posted are not good at what I want them to do.

>Nor can I actually find the decent middle ground of adequate damage between being mediocre and being scummy
To be honest, that's not my fault those are the classes.
>Plus you can do decent enough damage as a non-dipped Destruction caster to still perform your job adequately.
No you can't. After a certain point you're basically just relegated to being battle field control with a fancy entangle spell.

Is anyone else kind of butthurt at how ubiquitous and commonplace the special materials are?

Like, I could just hop on down to the typical store and buy an Adamantine blade, doesn't that seem a little anticlimactic for what is essentially super-steel?

>>51282127
The swift-activation of clauses like the grasping tentacles one is the other side of this. For, say, 1/2 the combat rounds you can expect any given day, you deal an additional +2-4 damage (that's per pulse though, so it's mostly there to benefit the multihits) per pulse, AND can activate clauses as swift actions as you level. Save DCs also increase that way.

Since you can flick it on or off freely for individual rounds, it's not bad.

Pulse damage does drop sharply when not active though, so it's best suited to the weapon-support shapes. If you don't use something with a DC in non-aspirant form, you don't care about the -2.

>>51282258
>'incantersorcelementalist'
I don't get why everyone acts like this is so fucking terrible especially when people dipped Sorcerer for the damage dice all the time before spheres was even a thing.

>>51282242
She punishes with sunburns. Her temples often use mirrors to focus and reflect sunlight. Her followers pray at dawn, greeting the sun. Her contribution to the Dead Vault was a mini-sun to constantly burn Rovagug.

>>51282278

>I could just hop on down to the typical store and by a 3000 gold weapon

>>51282233
>Plus you can do decent enough damage as a non-dipped Destruction caster to still perform your job adequately
I've played one. This a bold faced lie beyond rusty dagger shank town.

>>51282252
Um, probably not, no.
Only in the very beginning was he occasionally thinking "well she *is* pretty hot though" or the like.

However, He's gotten extremely close to crossing various lines with both Megumin and Lalatina 2-3 times apiece. It's mostly been mood-spoiler moments that prevented either or possibly even both from happening.

>>51282252
Eris and Iris, rather.
For the former he'd be a worshiper if he didn't know and like her so personally, and for the latter, well, there's the issue of the ring...

>>51282290

Yeah, but she's an Arab chick so it just feels weird.

Sarenrae could be replaced by Lord Gwyn and his family and the setting would get that much better because of it.

>Selfish Sun God and Lord of Lightning, popular among Dragonslayers. Son is an exiled War God and his two daughters are a huge illusionary fag and the other's a fertility goddess

>>51282283
That's true, the swift-activation clause is a big thing.
Though... you don't get that until level 6.
Being a level 5 or below aspirant really feels like you got the short end of the stick.

>>51282408
Just because you don't like being reminded nonwhites exist doesn't make that true.

>>51282358
Also, didn't the author say something once about Megumin being her self-insert, and loving that she was popular enough to displace Darkness as the love interest?

>>51282299

It's true, anon.

If I was a mid-level adventurer establishing my legend, getting that Adamantine sword is depressingly easy.

It wasn't that easy for Sokka and his Adamantine sword, why should it for me?

>>51282450
Sokka's GM was also a faggot that made him lose that sword several sessions later

>>51282258
>Fire, Ice and Lightning
Oh boy, nearly everything in the bestiary either resists, absorbs, or is immune to my attacks after I feebly try to pierce their SR and they pass their saves.

>>51282505

Doesn't mean the session it took to get that sword wasn't cool as heck!

>tfw crafters are rare in most parties

>>51282408
She's existed since before Golarion fully formed, and the religion that dominates that idiotic caliphate is noted to be a wierd extremist splinter cult, and is generally not the norm.

Just because brown people make you feel uncomfortable doesn't automatically make Sarenrae, a Goddess who has been worshipped in the Inner Sea since before the Kelesh came over and began their Ottoman Expansion, not a decent enough Sun God.

Plus Gwyn is a paranoid shit who was barely a god in the first place, he was just a Soul-Juiced Pygmy turned Giant who feared little weak humans more that the Dragon, enough to cause the very action that all but garenteed the loss of his Age of Fire with the hastened Hollowing/pygmyfication of everything. due to the cindery dark holes the linking burned into everything.

Gwyn a shit!

>>51282146
...I hadn't looked at it like this, now I wanna do this.

>>51282270
>I am incapable of using some destruction optimization tricks without using all of them.

>>51282283
>For, say, 1/2 the combat rounds you can expect any given day

This is a huge assumption about playstyle and the length of an adventuring day, I feel.
It might be mostly true, but I've played in a few campaigns where it definitely wouldn't be, and in general it feels like too nebulous a benchmark to balance the entirety of a class' features around.

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How would you all feel about a game that takes place in Eberron instead of Golarion?

>>51282530
Don't it's honestly disappointing. Just be a shifter.

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>>51282430
... Is the author as uh... "hopelessly japanese" as Megumin?

Still, people like her because outside of her combat problem she's actually pretty reasonable, and downright nice sometimes.

>>51282408
>Yeah, but she's an Arab chick so it just feels weird.


Lmao what

>>51282544
What is this? an image for ants?
Also, I'd have to become more familiar with Eberron, but sounds fun

>>51282544

I'd kill a man to get their spot.

Eberron is my favorite setting, easily.

>>51282510
I'm sorry, I though we were making a Black Mage here.

>>51282258
>Pick Fire, Ice and Lightning
But what about Water? Why can't I Waterga?

>>51282543
It's a huge assumption that's reinforced rather powerfully by certain things; most notably the Vancian casters and expected PP expenditure ratios of Psions.

>>51282528

That's precisely why Gwyn is so great, he's extremely petty and has tons of flaws. It makes him feel like a dynamic character far more than Sarenrae or even Cayden Cailean.

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>>51282586
content yourself with XXXX and Nuke

>>51282560
It's a spriterip from a gaemu.

>>51282566
What do you LIKE about it, Anon.

>>51282586
Since when do black mages get Water?

>>51282601
Sarenrae told her followers to avoid Gormuz. Instead they built a city there, so she sent them vague prophecies to get them to leave, which they misinterpreted. Eventually she sent her Herald, whom the people of Gormuz killed, at which time she smote the city, destroying it and rending the ground beneath to create the Pit of Gormuz, through which Spawn of Rovagug have been pouring ever since.

>>51282541
There really aren't that many tricks to employ.
>Incanter(Honestly optional)
>Sorcerer with bloodline with the element you want and Blood Havoc if DM okays it
>Elementalist for the rest
Then you can pretty much take whatever talents. Get some metamagic like Empower and you're free to experiment with whatever freaky blast types and combos you want. I don't even use holy/unholy smite because there are enough obscure damage types/soulfire to pretty much not need to worry about being resisted.

SR can be annoying but between Soulfire and Stoneblast it seldom matters.
>>51282586
Spheres water blast is bludgeoning damage iirc. You can take heavy handed and get some or refluff stone blast as being super sharp water like Geb.

Or just use Ice blast. Since Ice is water.

>>51282618

I'm phoneposting, but I love the setting tone (Interwar between WW1 and 2), the setting itself (the kingdoms actually feel real, like Breland or Karnath and... Oh gosh, the RELIGIONS.

Silver Flame, Sovereign Host, the VOL. they're great!

>>51282627
Since IX

>>51282693
Well the goal was 'classic' black mage.

>>51282541
>>51282658
And really it's the fact that dipping sorcerer is pretty much the only way to guarantee being able to do deal decent damage without wasting all your resources that bugs me since PF is so dependent on making sure you have decent static damage bonuses.

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>>51282693
I haven't played 9 since college...
Aren't they up to 14 now?

You little fucks will know how that feels around FF20.

>>51282717
>Implying Vivi doesn't count as a classic Black Mage

>>51282595
Spell slots/power points can be rationed much more evenly to suit a longer adventuring day compared to six to eight discrete rounds.

But I suppose it makes sense.

My main issue with Aspirant goes back to the general feeling 'this archetype is a net loss of ability to do cool things over a period of time'. Maybe this ties with my gut feeling that CHA rounds per day really doesn't feel like much, especially with how it encourages an 'always save a round or two in case of unexpected emergencies' mentality which adds an additional soft cap.

That, and the benefits of Aspirant form aren't even that fancy compared to an unarchetyped avowed before level 6, which can be a significant stretch of time for some games.

>>51282755
>Aren't they up to 14 now?
XV actually, its decently solid. 14 was an MMO just like 11

>>51282763
I won't disagree the number of rounds is a bit too low. Most notably I checked and there's not even a feat or the like for more.

They do need a bit more, especially at rusty-dagger-shanktown levels. 1d8+2 for one fight a day isn't worth d4s for the other 2 or 3.

>>51282734
>>51282658
>>Sorcerer with bloodline with the element you want and Blood Havoc if DM okays it
How does this work? Because aren't most sorcerer arcana built around boosting your Vancian CL for Vancian Spells of a particular spell type?
It seems to me that such a thing is shiesty at best, and probably no sane DM would allow it.

>>51282734
Is it?

Straight-up Elementalist with a staff, Focused Blast and Greater Blast taken whenever you can doesn't do it for you?

I mean, I'd do the math myself, but I'm at work and should honestly be working.

>>51282801
The Draconic and Primal Elemental Bloodlines grants +1 damage per damage die for spells cast of the corresponding element. Blood Havoc and the Orc Bloodline don't even have that restriction, it's just +1.

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Dinosaurs are awesome.

But even though I'd love to include them in my games, they don't seem to fit in a fantasy setting (apart from the "lost world" cliché).

What can I do?

>>51282801
Primal X Arcana, Draconic, and Orc Bloodlines don't have anything to do with caster level and the Destroyer Handbook stated and was balanced around that Sphere Effects like Fire and Force count as having descriptors.

It's literally just +1 damage per die on a damage dealing spell or spell with X descriptor. No caster level fuckery involved.

>>51282830
>and the Destroyer Handbook stated and was balanced around that Sphere Effects like Fire and Force count as having descriptors.
Citation needed.

Also, I'd personally rule that Sphere Effects and Spells are two different, so effects that effect spells cannot effect sphere effects without specific caveats

>>51282755
15 now, 14 is the mmo that's been out for like 4-5 years now in some way shape or form

>>51282829

Dinosaurs are shit.

>>51282816
It doesn't.

Like spitballing a level 10 elementalist with a +5 Destruction Staff and focused+greater blast is doing around 17d6+17+5 damage to ONE target for a spell point
>>51282872
>>and the Destroyer Handbook stated and was balanced around that Sphere Effects like Fire and Force count as having descriptors.
Read the playtest and read the Destroyers handbook. Fire type Blasts counting as having the fire descriptor was what stuff was being balanced around. They do take stuff like Sorcerer dips into account when making Destruction stuff now.

>>51282910
you're shit fuck you

>>51282829
Apply a draconic template to them, and turn them into dumb proto-dragons that are all horns/teeth/claws.

>>51282872
The descriptors on blast types can be found on page 15 of the Destroyer's handbook. Its at the very end of the page under the heading "Descriptors," and has a handy little table of them.

>>51282888
>>51282910
well apparently I am one.

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>>51282673
I've been going over the whole campaign setting book. I like it myself, I'd just have to add a few things on to get my campaign to work in there.

Would you be. Interested.

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>>51282917
>Read the playtest
>cannot cite anything in the actual official book to support his claims
>cannot even pull up a specific quote from said playtest doc

>>51282872
>>51282942

Oh also you can find it here:
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/destruction#toc64

>>51282917
81 damage.
That's fucking pathetic.

And for a spell point, no less. That means it's 81 damage single target with daily resource expenditure.

Fucking hell, no wonder our ranged guy won't touch spheres.

>>51282938
But then wouldn't they just be proto-dragons instead of dinosaurs?

>>51282949

Yes, I would! I would!

Tell us about your campaign!

>>51282966
Arent' those primarily for the use of others, like kineticists who can counter their element with a blast, or "you are immune to anything [fire]"?

>>51282918

That's mean, anon.

>>51282872
>Also, I'd personally rule that Sphere Effects and Spells are two different, so effects that effect spells cannot effect sphere effects without specific caveat
See this makes sense but
>Many bloodline arcanas do not function correctly when using the Spheres of Power system
Which imply some do, by your interpretation
none would.

The only "sketchy" thing with that is Blood Havoc since it specifically calls out Sorcerer spells and spheres makes no such distinction.
>>51282954
I'm sorry I don't feel like playing ace attourney with you but these kind anons do.
>>51282966
>>51282942
But if you're going to be a fucking cunt
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c3LPA0j7qKpLFP2lOr3I9X9VUpH8vOvs17pKmTCj36M/edit
Here's the Elmentalist guide, towards the bottom it states Sorcerer bloodlines work in the multiclass section.

Both were written by the man behind the Destruction Sphere

>>51282949
I would be down for it.

>>51283041
I fucked up the link
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/15a4d5ga61bcWMuqJxBOEleKPSsSUgkzz-Yj7POJNhD8/
Elementalist guide.
>>51282975
Well, it is considering people can do that without spending daily resources. And this is all before resistance, SR, miss chance, etc because that's just a single attack.

>>51283009
There's no rules limitation put on them. They're straight up descriptors, plain and simple.

I'd say the real question is whether something that applies to spells applies to sphere abilities. They're distinct things, after all.

>Mechanics discussion
>Anime tangent
>Mild racism
>Hype over lore

>Not a gratuitous titty or lewdpost to be seen

It's like it's 2015 again!

>>51283080
If it's 1SP to do, that's not without spending daily resources.

And yeah. The fact that it can miss, or deal with SR or resistance, is 1/3 of the reason why that damage output is pathetic.

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>>51283108
I'm bringing this thread into 2017!

>>51282917
>17d6
Okay, that's the staff and Greater
>+17
Okay so there's focused blast
>+5
Their multiplier improved to equal their level at level 9, so that's 5 damage you've missed there.

Then there's a Destructive Focus weapon for another +5, as well as +5 to hit. Also an elementalist power charm for another 4. Heck if you wanted there's a trait that'd get you another 2.

There's also another effective 17 if you're using scorching or acid blast. Or you can Admixture them together and get both.

There's also the Admixture Savant elementalist, who gets a pool of points separate to spell points he can use to negate the cast time penalty for admixturing two blast types of different groups, or in place of spell points for metamagic. This pool is equal to his level, so he's got as much metamagic mojo to play with as a sorcerer.

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>>51283080
>>51283041
So rather than actually put in the effort to improve the damage capability of the Sphere, this asshole writer instead made multiclassing into Sorcerer mandatory, and encourages it?

What a complete lazy fuckstick. Fuck this guy!

And worse yet, this whole shitstorm could've been avoided if they had just granted everyone additional damage based on Casting Modifier right as part of the sphere.

Good lord I wish I could punch this guy in the nuts

>>51283170

That's still actually 2015; we had titty posting even then, but it was oddly more productive than what we have now!

It was like, who has the best tits out of the NPCs?

>>51283108
I need to be a salty bitch about mechanics I don't like more often.
>>51283149
Oh shit, I thought you were being sarcastic. Sorry 'bout that, bro. Maybe I do need to take a break and stop venting on 4chan, fix some dinner. Still I agree.
>>51283173
Can you even afford all that at level 10? A +5 Staff is like 50,000 GP alone.
>>51283212
It was mandatory for Paizo blasters too. It's the nature of the playstyle and I legit don't see why /pfg/ suddenly got amnesia about that fact.
>nd worse yet, this whole shitstorm could've been avoided if they had just granted everyone additional damage based on Casting Modifier right as part of the sphere.
That wouldn't fix anything long term.

>>51283219

Who has the best [tits/ass/legs] out of all the PC's from [RotJR/WotR/HV/Dragons]

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>>51283245
Mori.

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>>51283008
>>51283053
Dark fantasy high-fatality intrigue style things with a strong theme of undeath and corruption. Right now I'm reading through the Eberron campaign setting to get a good idea on where to make these things.

Feel free to suggest me anything. I'd love to hear anything from an Eberron veteran.

I have 9k gold to spend on a 3rd level ghost rider (cavalier). Looking at getting a spiked chain as a weapon, not sure what else to get. Playing as a small character. What type of armor and other gear should I go for?

>>51283280

Oh my god, read up on Karnath because that is EXACTLY what you're describing.

Also read up on the Blood of Vol and Church of the Silver Flame.

>>51283243
You could have both if they were being crafted, or only one if not. The power charm is dirt cheap. Losing out on the destructive focus is only 5 though.

I mean, I don't wanna move goalposts or nothing, but there is also the AoE factor to consider regarding if something is good or viable.

>>51283243
>That wouldn't fix anything long term
What about add the casting modifier for every damage dice of the destructive blast? Or would that eventually get to be too much?

>>51283243

Salt and autism beats spunk and sugar every day of the week.

>>51283173
So should be 17d6+34+10, except still at an SP cost, right?

103 average hit.
If it doesn't cost spellpoints that's a bit low for a primary dealer, especially single target, but only by about 24 damage. You're still doing about 75~80% of an equal CR, and about 90% of a CR-1. Not GREAT but passable as a secondary damage dealer or whatnot.

If it DOES cost daily resource to do just this, especially given 50 000 of your 62k WBL is on that single staff if it really is 50k, then you've got a problem, as the damage IS subpar.

Again, this wouldn't be an issue to someone who does other stuff mainly, but if the whole character is "do a lot of damage" with the majority of his selections and gear, then this output's a damn shame.

>>51283245

Dragons is cheating, anon.

And the answer to all of those (assuming no Dragons) is Osanna.

>>51283352
It's good AoE damage though.
Single target for daily however, yeah if that's full optimization, the result's trash.

>>51283219
It was a reasonable amount of locker room talk. We're all dudes, it's expected.
>>51283310
>You could have both if they were being crafted, or only one if not
>Magic Item crating
Now who's the REAL fucking cheesemeister
>>51283319
That would be insane.

The ideal solution is to either make a feat or a talent that grants you +1 damage per die and can only be taken for every X caster level or something. Personally, I don't really see a problem.

What's a good age for the ideal waifu?

>>51283280
The Mournland is also great if only because of the "Mourner" undead there; Literally Cyrans who got twisted and turned by the Mournlands into a much stronger zombie, whom are still actually alive in some way in that if they can be identified and have their name called out, they'll stop attacking you and are able to be talked with.

If anything, a Cyran character who finds his family as being THAT in the mournland would be something horrifying and yet, oh so amazing.

>>51283367
You can't use Focused Blast with AoE attacks. It needs to be unshaped.

You drop down 86, before Evasion, saves, SR, and general resistance.
>stone blast
DR.

>>51283391
21-42

>>51283391
18-22 imo

>>51283352
17d6

10 from Favored Element

34 from mixing scorching and acid

And that's AoE, not singletarget. Singletarget is another 17.

And if he's an Admixture guy, then he's got 10 points worth of free metamagic.

>>51283401

Oh gosh I want to play a Cyran now.

Or a Warrior of the Silver Flame who participated in the Lycanthrope genocide.

Or maybe a shell-shocked Warforged two triggers away from being a criminal statistic, or a foot soldier for Megatron.

>>51283406
DR is usually way lower than resistances, because it's usually brought to bear against multiple attacks.

>>51283412

You will NEVER meet an "available" 38+ year old in a campaign though.

God dammit, I just want a middle-aged career woman Paladin who's the right mixture of discipline and snark.

>>51283373
> Personally, I don't really see a problem.
Let me correct myself. From a balance standpoint, I don't see an issue with the Sorc dip and how mandatory it is.
>>51283452
True. But it's still something to consider. 5-10 damage off is nothing to sneeze at and can still be a life or death thing. Enemies don't get "weaker" from being low on hit points.
>>51283436
>10 from Favored Element
If you're an Admixture Savant that is only against one target.

>>51281866
Foreword: all of the books are going to have some level of rework done to them, some things almost feel intentionally shitty. However, just to be sure we're on the same page, how about ya PM the concerns to me over roll20?

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>>51283391
30+

Women don't get good until they get older.

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>>51283303
Karnath... Places with strong traditions are always more satisfying to corrupt. For sure, for sure.

>>51283401
This fits a certain place I was planning on sending the party very well. Dang, I received good advice, Eberron is perfect for this.

>>51283445
To be fair, the party members are more likely to BE one of those zombies than they are to find one.

>>51283473
Truly, middle-age smug is best smug

>>51283366
Her, out of all those applications from all those games?

>>51283473
I have a 35 year old paladin gal who likes to joke about how she's "past her expiration date" as an adventurer, yet keeps going out to give evil what for. She's a dork, but I have too much fun.

>>51283401

>Grey... nothing by grey... three days since edge of the Mists and that was all that Ferin could see. Grey sky. Grey ground. Grey trees. Grey bodies that refused to decompose four years after the Day of Mourning. He hated the idea of coming here, but it was the only way to get the nest egg his grandparents left him in the old barn outside of Metrol. As he approached the dilapidated structure, he couldn't help but feel sad. Six generations of his family worked this farm and now all that was left was ruined field and a barn that would fall over in a strong wind.

>It was then that Ferin heard the first howls coming from the barn. A high pitched one, like his little sister. A deep baritone of his uncle. And a warbling cry of his grandmother. Ferin realized that a dead legacy wasn't the only thing left behind.

Here's a snippet that gives the tone for the Mournlands, it's some fucked up cross between Silent Hill, The Mist, and STALKER.

>>51283490
>Only one target

True. Seems like the Admixture guy is better for singletarget vaporization.

And while I (Again), don't mean to move goalposts, the Elementalist is significantly more tasty in a scrap. More HP, evasion, bonus combat talents, resistances, movement modes...

And thinking on it, if you wanted more damage, you could Energy Blade it. Slap that shit onto a greatsword or bow. And since the Elementalist is actually 3/4, not half, you've got a decent chance of hitting with it. Get improved energy blade and you can pile it onto a full attack.

>>51283490
>I don't see an issue with the Sorc dip and how mandatory it is.
Fuck me. I meant for EXCEPT for how mandatory it is. My bad.
>>51283436
>Scorching
What's this. Do you mean Searing? That upgrades you do d8's but doesn't have a residual damage effect.
So that's 76 damage before Reflex, resistance, etc. And another 17 a round later assuming they failed the reflex
>>51283594
>
And thinking on it, if you wanted more damage, you could Energy Blade it. Slap that shit onto a greatsword or bow. And since the Elementalist is actually 3/4, not half, you've got a decent chance of hitting with it. Get improved energy blade and you can pile it onto a full attack.
You're not blasting, you're gishing now. Badly too. You still provoke AoO's.
>more HP
No you don't they're both d8. And Elementalist is crap at basic combat anyway.
>Movement Modes
Alteration. Lycanthropy. That other drawback that keeps you in one form.

Take Elemental Form with the Drawbacks. Movement modes are taken care of.

>>51283590
You mean it's an AWESOME cross between Silent Hill, The Mist, and STALKER. There's even ruins of House Cannith workshops that still have active creation forges and zany magic items waiting for people to find them.

Read some of the 3.5 adventure modules they released for Eberron, namely the second one, "Shadows of the Last War". It takes the party from Sharn to the goblin nation, and then into the Mournland proper in search for an artifact at an abandoned House Cannith research facility.

>>51283566

HV is depressingly dull on the waifu count, and I'm not counting Dragons.

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>>51283391
Considering she only exists in your mind, whatever the minimum age is for the Tulpa template.

>>51283590
>>51283654

Hold on, are you telling me there's entire battlefields full of fresh corpses just laying around the Mournlands, like a piece of history eternally in repose?

>>51283566
Osanna's player has to make her seem popular somehow.

>>51283648
Also you're eating up more WBL on stuff like Agile and a good weapon if you try to gish it up like that. You most likely won't have the stats to have decent hit points. Again moot point since the argument is BLASTING not GISHING, we could just be a shocking grasp Magus monkey if we wanted that.

Raining down fire and pain upon your enemies sounds much more exciting than waking them with a burning stick.

>>51283677
Yes. And many of them hold magic items due to how the creation forges were churning them out en masse to supply troops. Also war machines far more powerful then what's normally seen in the PHB. Or even enchanted war machines that do more damage/hit more accurately.

And of course, the bodies that lie on the battlefields don't rot, don't decay, and seem to regenerate any damage done to them, just stuck in a pale imitation of what they were just before the Mourning happened.

>>51282430
>>51282553
The author of Konosuba is a self-admitted masochist that thinks its funny that her characters get abused so much, so...

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>>51283654
>You mean it's an AWESOME cross between Silent Hill, The Mist, and STALKER.

Oh, absolutely! It's fucked up because it's done well!

>>51283534
>Karnath... Places with strong traditions are always more satisfying to corrupt. For sure, for sure.

Wait... You're going for US as the corruptors? In that case, why don't you check out the Church of the Silver Flame, in Thrane? Pic related. Also, this important snippet of information that not only highlights Eberron's excellence as a setting, but also why the Church would be a great backdrop.

>In Eberron, the alignment of a priest does not have to match that of his deity. As a result, corruption is a major concern in the Church of the Silver Flame. However, corruption can take many forms, and each can have a vastly different impact on a campaign.

There's also the hot nun angle.

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>>51283738

Why is there a small child sitting above the black KKK?

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>>51283738
>>51283769
LOLIPOPE
Jaela Daran, head of the Church of the Silver Flame and the highest level Cleric in the setting, so long as she's in the church capital.

>>51283657
Agreed, though for me personally it's just because I don't think an evil character is great waifu material to begin with. Not that evil characters can't be waifus, you understand, just that they've gotta work harder for it.

>>51283696
Whether you're right or not, recruitment for the game doesn't look like it'll be about popularity. Seems like it'd be a wasted effort to shill the character this late into the process.

>>51283738
There's also quite a few things from the guy who created Eberron where he implies that the leader of the Church of the Silver Flame might be a lycanthrope herself. 'course, he treats it the same way he treats anything he publishes stuff about Eberron/talks about Eberron with: It's something the DM can choose to use or not use.

>>51281491
Sun and Moon are on our list of pacts to do, but are not going to show up in Avowed 1 or 2 due to how many damn pacts we HAVE. Our time is limited, and we can't do every single possibility at once.

>>51281537
To be fair, you can take an Old One pact and choose clauses with a radiant theme for the same effect. Limiting the Old One pact to a single theme (that of the evil sentient star) didn't feel like a great idea to us.

>>51282127
It's been pretty damn hard to balance. Our goal was for you to have it for about half the combat rounds in the day, which is why our later versions have 6 + 1/2 Charisma rounds rather than flat Cha. It NEEDS to take some thing away from the base avowed, as otherwise it would just be AS good as the Avowed most of the time, and then SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER for the rest. The intention is, indeed, for it to be limited in usage so that the transformation feels MEANINGFUL - this is also why we have the Arcane Spellsurge effect on clauses. You should feel like a goddamn boss encounter while in Aspiration, but vulnerable while outside of it.

It's a difficult design goal, but we're doing our best, and Forrest and I would absolutely love feedback on how it plays in practice.

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>>51283713
>>51283401

>mfw just got done listening to Seven Nation Army's remix for Battlefield 1
>mfw imagining a campaign done during the height of The Last War

>>51283824
Oh, that's the best thing, too. They published SEVERAL books on Eberron set before the original campaign setting was published. "Five Nations" and "The Forge of War" are the two books that immediately jump to my mind. The former covers what happens before the Last War and gets into it by a tiny bit, and The Forge of War covers the waning years of the war, including the massive outbreak of battle in Cyre in the year or so leading up to the Day of Mourning.

>>51283802
>Whether you're right or not, recruitment for the game doesn't look like it'll be about popularity
???

>>51283964
I'm pretty sure the GM hasn't been involving himself in the shilling or memery.

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>>51283590
>>51283654
>>51283696
>>51283713
Woah, woah. Stop. I can only get so erect.

>>51283738
You really would kill a man for his place in an Eberron game.

I'm reading over both. And the players are... in an interesting position regarding corruption. They are trying to escape it as much as they are spreading it(or maybe they want to cave in and spread it more, I'm not going to judge).

I'm still reading this campaign and writing up, but this should be fun when it's ready.

What's the best way to kill one of your players quickly?

>>51283997
As far as we know. I can't help but feel like such things are going to influence his decision making a little bit, even though he did say he was trying to avoid that.

>>51284021
Orc Barbarian with a greataxe, fudge a crit.

>>51284053
>Orc Barbarian with a greataxe
You don't even need to fudge anything.

>>51284021
Depends, who's asking?

>>51284078
Your daddy.

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>>51283805
>>51283868
>>51283824

>You will never meet a DM with the skill or gumption to make a homebrew Eberron campaign set in the Last War, or heck in Thrane dealing with Church politics
>You will never get comfy in Breland
>You will never share a brewski with Boranel

>>51284077
Well I'm saying it's just one roll. If you don't get the 20 you can just say you did, and now they're in for a world of pain. And then death.

>>51284107
Get off /pfg/ dad.

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The only spheres of power talk seems to be about Destruction. This makes me sad.

So lets talk about another possibility. How about a shirtless, buff caster who fights by posing and is Con SAD.

I'm thinking...

Soaring Blade armorist X / Hedgewitch 2
Casting tradition
Drawbacks: Draining Casting, Magical Signs Somatic Casting 2
Boons: Easy Focus, Fortified Casting
Talents: Telekinesis Sphere, Dancing Weapon, Orbit.
Hedgewitch tradition: Charlatanism.
Secret: Prescient Dodger.

Other things to pick up are the Flair, Mobile Weapon, and Powerful Telekinesis talents. Maybe Telekinetic Exoskeleton for shits and giggles.

So at this point you'd have con as your casting ability, would be adding it to attack and damage, and also to your armor class and CMD so long as you remained properly shirtless. Your somatic casting would be your posing, your magical signs would be Armstrong-esque sparkles.
Oh, and you'd be avoiding getting hit by draining casting all the time by using Orbit, so you never stop using telekinesis on your weapon of choice once you pick it up for the day.

Am I missing any other fun bits I could add to this build?

>>51283391
Same age as me.

>>51284018
Oh, I guess I shouldn't even mention Xen'Drik, or how it's home to a bunch of ancient Giant civilization ruins where everything is scaled to Giants, Drow live in the jungles and focus on scorpions instead of spiders (And are much more chillaxed then many other incarnations of Drow), and there's artifacts there that can replicate the effects of a seventh level spell for the easy cost of a first level spell.

Eberron is home to so many possibilities for a group to use for adventuring that it's just incredible to use in any aspect.

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>>51284138
>your magical signs would be Armstrong-esque sparkles
or on the auditory side of things, perhaps his casting causes everyone to hear AAAIIAIAIAAAIIIIII

Just letting you guys know that the Sleeping Goddess will be recruiting through Febuary 4th!

And yes, this is real.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66858/the-sleeping-goddess

>>51284138
Prescient Dodger doesn't work. It specifically calls out "your highest mental stat" not your casting stat.

It's just that it's usually the case with this sort of thing, but not with Armstrong.

>>51284211
Damn, thought it was casting stat.
This has made me most sad.

>>51284232
The trick is that prescient dodger has zero connection to casting whatsoever. Don't need a lick of it.

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>>51284232
However.

Entropic Sage is here to come to the rescue.
>http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/entropic-sage
Because Destruction is fucking based.
>At 1st level, the entropic sage gains the Improved Unarmed Strike feat as a bonus feat. Also, when unarmored and unencumbered, the entropic sage adds his casting modifier bonus (if any) to his AC and his CMD
You can also punch people with energy fists and NOT provoke.

>>51282278
Protip about Pathfinder; Adventurers are ludicrously rich. 3000 Gold pieces is approximately the yearly take of a low-yield in outside of the city. Yes, this is stupid, but the point stands that 1 silver piece can feed a man for a day, 5 sp if they want to enjoy it.

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>>51284138
>Armstrong
>Telekinesis
>Not using the new Creation Sphere Handbook Rules
>Not also getting the MAgic Circles Drawback, and drawing the circle on your caestus
>Not being a Mageknight/Sphere Magus to go full ham on it
>Not taking that one trait that grants you a masterwork weapon on creation and stating how it has been passed down your family line for GENERATIONS!
>Not sacrificing some your feats for SoM Boxing and/or Open Hand Spheres
>Not spending the rest of your feats into either Dragon or Pummeling Style

>>51284197
The Sleep Domain is stupid broken. Yes it's going to be used at 16th level, so it pales in comparison, but it's a touch attack, Sleep on a failed save, Fatigue on a passed save, and it doesn't list how many times it can e used per day.

>>51284138
Well first off you get 2 traditions as Hedgewitch. Might I suggest Herbology so you can make a Constitution Empowering Concoction? Astrology is also a good choice. There might be something interesting you can do with Covenant since you will use Con instead of Wis for domain power effects.

You should also pick up the Finesse and Flair talents. That will let you do ranged physical skill checks using Con instead of the normal stat (flex that trap down!).

>>51283391
14-24

>>51281607
A generic 'construct' pact is not something we have planned, as there's far too much thematic variation. However, we have a few variations of Artificial Intelligence pacts in the works for The Cutting Edge (which is my main contribution to that book, honestly - Forrest has way more ideas on the actual tech subsystems, I'll be here writing up guidelines for marrying EM), and a Colossus pact is something we'd like to do at some point.

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>>51284434
>14
Anon, why don't you have a seat over here?

>>51284382
At 16th level, you're gonna be fighting outsiders, undead, constructs and all sorts of things with a total immunity to both conditions.

>>51284435
I mean, a Homunculus is fine too.

I want a not shit Promethean, senpai

>>51284247
The thing is he's casting off Con, so prescient dodger doesn't really do much for him.

>>51284461
???
I said that? It's not an excuse for a horribly balanced domain power, and if the GM can't see admit that and revise then that's pretty telling.

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>>51284455
Maybe he meant a kobold waifu!

>>51283733
Why can't she be living here in Quebec...

>>51284524
That's still a minimum of 15 years old!

>>51284534
Because Quebec is a shithole you fucking frog.

>>51284538
That's only for class levels, representing the time it takes to receive training. Adulthood is still 14.

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>>51284567
>fucking untrained commoners

>>51283817
6+1/2CHA is probably enough.

At 16th, a swift-action greater clause (like balefire wall, tar trap or writhe) at +4DC atop the usual *IS* very effective. For a handful of rounds, at least, you'll be putting out some serious hurt.

>>51284261
Ah, even better! Many thanks.

>>51284338
Eh, the idea wasn't to actually remake armstrong. It was just a fun side reference.
I'm working with telekinesis because it lets you get all the benefits of fortified casting with minimal downside from draining casting.

>>51284416
Yeah, was just naming the things that seemed essential rather than a full build. Using entropic sage I'd lose one tradition, but wouldn't need Charlatanism. I'll look into those traditions.

>>51284556
I won't deny it's a shithole but it would be less of one for me with her around!

>>51284524
Alternatively anon might not be 20 yet.
I know when I was 12, 14 year old girls were basically "hot milfs" as far as I was concerned.

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>>51284753

Underaged b&

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>tfw I could spend a side-session with the DM crafting an awesome adamantine sword
>tfw at the end of the day it's just a very slightly better blade

>>51283391
Late twenties, like 28-29, because she's real desperate for a man before 30.

>>51284857
Yeah I never went to porn sites before I turned 18 either. No sir.

Let's face it. Most of us here on /pfg/ are old bitter bastards or we'd be playing something else, but there's probably a massive-but-deniable number of people on 4chan who confirm they know *of* the number 18 when asked their age.

>>51284857
>Not 'this can't be flappening'

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>>51284944

>>51284913
There IS too much focus on enchantments and not enough on materials and construction in d20.

>>51284857
18 isn't 20 yet anon. Please pass math next year.

Alright, I'm gonna dual-wield great axes as a half-giant, for WotR. So Level 1 gestalt, 3pp allowed.

I'm thinking Fighter/Slayer to get all of the feats I need. There's Stupendous Strength from the Monster Classes: Savage races book, and that stacks with some PoW feat that helps.

May I have additional suggestions, please?

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>>51284962
>There IS too much focus on enchantments and not enough on materials and construction in d20.

>Adamantine
>Described as extremely tough and exceptionally sharp, basically Valyrian steel only heavier
>Only bypasses hardness
>Does not bypass AC, does not give free sunder checks to armor, does not give potential Bleeding effects
>Nah, just bypasses hardness, something you have to call for

>>51284983
>dual wield greataxes
lol how

>>51285008

It overcomes DR, too.

Also the amount of hardness it bypasses is such that adamantine should be a controlled substance.

>>51285042
Stupendous Strength, it was mentioned in the original post; lets you treat weapons as one handedness lighter (down to Light Weapons).

>>51285042

Stupendous Strength + Prodigious Two-Weapon Fighting.

>>51284983
>May I have additional suggestions, please?

You could just grab two large-sized battleaxes and Prodigious Two-Weapon Fighting, saves you a feat!

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>>51284944
As someone who had to call parents over things found on school computers back in the late 90s / early 00s, I can confirm this statement. Not "cannot confirm nor deny". Confirm.

The 6th grade boys may have had a bit of a porn problem, but it was the 5/6 girls who make you cringe in terminal despair. We all expect "oh they'll try to get onto the tiddy sites" from the boys, but then you run into these search histories and it's all shit like

>horse+girl+sex until she vomit
>give birth while masturbation
>condom strangle dead more sex
>she's screaming yes yes yes and they're having sex what was movie
>dildo how to get out no hospital
>can u gte aids from eating period

All the parents hear is "your son/daughter was looking at inappropriate sites, and schoolboard policy requires us to inform you about it" though, YOU'RE FUCKING WELCOME, SO STOP SCARRING MY FUCKING BRAIN.

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>>51285058
>It overcomes DR, too.

The level you're fighting creatures with DR/Adamantine is the level you're probably going to have a magical item that can overcome it through sheer force (Cold Iron and Silver can be overcome with +2 magical items, and Adamantine is +4.)

I'd be willing to take a significant price hike on Adamantine if it meant an Adamantine weapon ignored Armor!

>>51285058
only specifically DR/Adamantine, and a +5 weapon does that too.

DR/- nope. Hardness 20+ either; it doesn't reduce, it only ignores if 19 or less.

>>51285069
Couldn't find where that was, well shiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

>>51284021
Offer to give them a ride home after the session, cut their throat at a stop light.

>>51285104

> you're probably going to have a magical item that can overcome it through sheer force

That's a dumb house rule

>>51285139
That's not a houserule m8 that's pathfinder.

>>51285139

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Overcoming-DR

Once you get to the higher levels, when special material items become a thing, you don't even need them for overcoming DR.

>>51285115

A durable adamantine arrow can be used to easily dig through locks, doors, castle walls, anything

>>51285147
>>51285169

>implying Pathfinder isn't dumb house rules for 3e

>>51285180
>A durable adamantine arrow can be used to easily dig through locks, doors, castle walls, anything

But anon, if an Adamantine arrow can punch through a castle wall, why can't an Adamantine sword cut through a breastplate?

>>51285194

It can. You can easily sunder it with an adamantine sword.

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Yo all, the SoM AMA's gonna wrap up soon, so if ya got any other questions at this point, head over there. We'll might do this again at some point before the end of the KS, but no promises.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/5os1v0/spheres_of_might_kickstarter_announcement_and_qa/?sort=new

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>>51285192
>>51285180

>Adamantine Weapons ignore hardness lower than 19
>All steel items have 10 hardness
>Adamantine can effortlessly cut through a shield
>It can't, however, cut through that shield when it's being held by someone

>>51285208

Is there a feat for cutting through armor and then transferring the bonus damage (assuming it gets sundered under the rolled total) to the person wearing the armor?

Oh wait, shouldn't that be *normal attacks while wielding an Adamantine sword?*

>>51285071


...Hmm... Maybe I'll just wait till I get Stupendous Strength...

I eventually need to get it, because it's cool. I can just get levels as an initiator to make up for how bad I am, right?

>>51285244
>eventually need to get it, because it's cool.

Look at it this way, anon.

You are a half-giant, which means you can wield a large-sized item with no penalty.

A large-sized battleaxe is 2d6, making it (fluffwise) identical to a greataxe in all but dice.

A large-sized battleaxe is also a one-handed martial weapon, meaning you can wield one in your off-hand and another in your main-hand.

>>51285234
>camilla
>best waifu
That title belongs to Oboro.

>>51285236
It can you just have to actually sunder the shield.

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>>51285273
>Anyone in Fates
>Best waifu
Absolutely disgusting

>>51281329
Fucking winnar

>>51285236
>Oh wait, shouldn't that be *normal attacks while wielding an Adamantine sword?*
No because Pathfinder isn't Dwarf fortress.

>>51285315

Why do I have to actually target the shield, though.

Wouldn't the sword carve through the shield when I swing my sword at the guy and he tries to block it with the shield?

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>>51285320
>Nephenee
>Not Lethe

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>>51285234
I see that you too saw the Fire Emblem Direct today!
Are you excited for the Gaiden remake and Heroes?

>>51285236
It's called Greater Sunder.

>>51285351
>Gaiden remake
TELL ME MORE, NOW.

>>51285335
Because Pathfinder combat is abstracted.

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>>51285353

I need this feat.

>>51285351
FUCK I MISSED IT.

I don't even like Fire Emblem I just hate missing Directs.

>>51281231
are there any 3.5 books necessary to make a pathfinder collection complete?

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>>51285353

Wait, wait! NO, THIS ISN'T OVER!

Why do I have to roll against their Combat Maneuver Defense if I'm basically just trying to hit them as per normal? Why don't I get my weapon's enhancement bonus or miscellaneous bonuses? The odds are so stacked against me I ding dong doubt I'd ever hit that CMD!

>>51285407
Because you're trying to hit them, not the shield.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/relic-breaker-combat

The fuck? lmao

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>>51285419

And if I hit their breastplate while I'm trying to hit them?

>>51285446
Then you do HP damage.

>>51285423
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/relic-breaker-combat
Hellknight Magic?

>>51285335
When being wielded by someone with combat training they can angle it to deflect blows. If a shield is just sitting there you can easily saw through it.

>>51285462
I don't see a "this is a supernatural ability" on that.

>>51285407
You do get your weapon's enhancement bonus you goober. Any bonus that applies to an attack roll with a weapon also applies to CMB checks made with that weapon.