Warhammer 40 000 General

>>51280390
anyone know where i can find a list of bits websites - i just need a torso or two and a plasma gun or two

Playing riptides and stormsurges in formation doesn't make me a faggotext. Deal with it nerds

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>>51280453

Playing Tau does. Deal.

>>51280211
Linking, looking for some help!

TL:DR FoC when?

>>51280515
It's in the Mega you ignornant mongoloid

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>>51280515
You're late. Cadia has already fallen, which is a tragedy... or is it?

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Hey fa/tg/uys, can someone give me feedback on this list? I'm totally new to the game

>>51280421
unfortunately, that's what I have to compete with, Grav-spam edition, but we've both agreed to have these little bouts every now and then.

also a knight houshold

Is the new carcherodons book in the mega? I can't find it pls help

>>51280390
>Warhammer 40 000 General
you still made the thread wrong holy shit what is wrong with you

How modular is the Termagant kit? I want to make a Biologis Admech army, so obviously I need me some bio-engineered fodder. Was thinking of giving them Gant guns built into a limb or shoulder, does the kit come with 12 of each weapon?

If I was to get the "Armoured" Assault box for them, would that be a suitable bitz pile? Bigger claws for the robots and such, varied weapons.

>>51280654
people who only browse one thread are cancer

>>51280654
Am I the only one who searches for 40k here?

Because that catches literally every permutation of this general. Use your fucking brain.

>>51280449
ebay

>>51280702
40k only catches this thread because you posted 40k in it.

Neither 40,000 nor 40k would return this thread otherwise.

>>51280759
im not paying 5$ for shipping for each item

>>51280770
i tend to just use my eyes and look at this
>>>/tg/catalog

>>51280770
i mean or you could type warhammer

>>51280798
That would be a valid argument IF YOU WERE EVEN USING THE CORRECT GENERAL IMAGE.

STUPID MAKING THREADS.

>>51280770
Actually I double checked before I posted to make sure I wouldn't look like an idiot if it wasn't there.

40k is always in the OP at least once

>>51280826
>THE CORRECT GENERAL IMAGE
are you fucking serious, there is no correct image, its whatever the fuck is fotm

how tall are space marines?

What is cummies and why does EgoQueenAlexis love it?

>>51280872
this isn't a bad image, but there's definitely such a thing as a bad image for a general. Like a couple of days ago some gigantic faggot made the thread with an image of a salt shaker that didn't even appear to be 40k related from the tumbnail and also had no thread title at all.

>>51280891
As tall as the writer demands for the sake of making the threat look bigger/smaller than them.

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>>51280891
They are pretty big guys. For you.

>>51280913
"The Scions of Hazard Secundus" is great

>>51280933
Also, is this shit possibly viable?

>>51280913
sure, it should be appropriate, but there definitely isnt a "correct image"
I even wince whenever i see the same image used twice

>>51280933
>teleport homer
why

For my CSM force, would it be better to run a Daemon Prince from the CSM book, or get one from the Daemons co sex? Or a greater Daemon instead?

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>>51280453
>being this defensive

>>51280960
Oh wait, still had that in from a previous build.

Just replace it with Melta Bombs or a flamer somewhere.

>>51280965
>the Daemons co sex
Do this. CSM Princes are generally overcosted.
you better be playing Slaanesh

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>>51280546
>all according to keikaku

>>51280980
Alright. That's good to know

And I am. I'm debating between one of those or a Keeper of Secrets

>>51280891
close to 8 feet in armour.
Geneseed may vary.

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>>51280933
Corrected the list, feedback appreciated. Mostly unsure on how to treat the Sternguards since I never use them otherwise. Was planning to drop them in near whatever I want to kill fast and add Greyfax to their squad if that happens to be a Psyker.

>>51280676
??
Think I got lost in arguments over thread beauty.

>>51280913
Holy Salt was a bad image, but I'm pretty sure I had a title in it. I considered throwing the logo in it, but I admit that was a lazy day, for me.

Most of the recent general images have been mine.

>>51280956
Please tell me you mean twice in a row? because holy fuck I'm only one anon, I can't generate enough "original" content to keep up with four generals a day.

So looking over the Castellan formation. It seems to me, that if you want to bring Space Marines, you should still take the gladius. free transports are still too good to pass up.


On the other hand, with deep striking object secured plasma/melta scions that have 1/3 chance of coming back and 5 sister squads with Heavy Flamers in Immolators seems good.

Still hard to be tier 1 but definitely real good.

>>51281102
>It seems to me, that if you want to bring Space Marines, you should still take the gladius
How can you possibly think this? Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>51281099
>Please tell me you mean twice in a row? because holy fuck I'm only one anon, I can't generate enough "original" content to keep up with four generals a day.
yeah i mean twice in a row; and thank you anon, the general keepers deserve more props, I've been there

Fall of Cadia
Who is the metal giant with the scaled cloak? Because that sure as shit isn't how anyone I know would describe a necron
Also what's the latest theory of who is in the stasis field that abaddon is nuts about?

Reminder: Trans/Slanneshi YouTubers are Warhammer related.

>>51281175
How is that not appropriate for a Necron Overlord? They're at least as big as a Space Marine, often even taller. Creed, from whose persepective that was written, is a human. Also, Necron Overlord cloaks are in fact scale plates.

It was Trazyn capturing him in a PokéBall.

>>51281175
Necrons are tall when not hunched, and Trazyn has a scale-like cloak

>>51281188
Name some...

>>51281219
Stop now

>>51281193
>>51281199
Creed must be fucking pissed then. How is he possibly going to top holding the line on a planet that is both exploding all around him as well as being enveloped by the eye of terror as demons strip away the survivors after he was saved by a living saint and the Phalanx.

It was the perfect death he could have hoped for, except for the whole cadia exploding on his watch thing.

So, who else lives in a gaming wasteland as, I can tell you, West Michigan is absolutely empty of any major gaming groups.

HOLY SHIT CADIA'S GONE? This is new, when did they decide to progress the plot? What's next?

>>51280980
THAT REMINDS ME
Someone posted a third party counts as for a female Nurgle daemon prince. It looked like a great unclean one in drag, big droopy necrotic tits and all but she had like a butcher theme to her a wielded a giant rusty cleaver.

Does anyone know what I'm referring to?

>>51281235
Always wondered how Trazyn's stasis thing worked. Are people aware they were in stasis after waking up?

>>51281226
Looked for her, stop now isn't one.

How do people still not know that cadia is gone?

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Why is Khorne's Daemon Princess more beautiful than any Slaaneshi Whore?

>>51281262
Internet break.
I thought cadian shock troopers were over rated anyway.

>>51281258
I meant dont get the trans people started

So, what are the eldari leading the Imperials to in that icy mountain after they save them from abbadong?

>>51281269
Because Slaanesh whores don't need to look pretty, they just fuck you and you'll fuck them and all that shit without question anyway.

>>51281269
slaanesh doesn't know when to stop.

>>51281257
According to the fall of cadia when he releases the heresy era Ultramarines it was if a blink of an eye had passed.

>>51280970
Stormsurge is not a gargantuan creature

>>51281286
>implying a daemon princess of khorne would let anyone fuck her without killing her in combat first

>>51281314
This her hymen is so thick you'd need a demon blade to puncture it.

>>51281258
Egoqueenalexis

>>51281313
Yes it is, did you even check.

>>51280970
>some dumb nigger still thinks tank shocks are attacks that trigger D3

Tank Shocks aren't attacks and don't have the ID property. The only way to reduce "remove from play" to D3 wounds on a GC is if it's an attack or ID.

>>51281257
Someone please correct me on this, but as far i've understood, inside a stasis field, time has basiclly stopped.
Since no times is passing inside, no light, sound or any sensation can ever be experienced by anyone inside.

So my guess is from the perspective of anyone inside, they see the flash of the machine turning on, and then no time passes for you, so it's still a flash when the plug is pulled and you 'awake' god knows how long after your entrapment..

>>51281314
wait but wouldn't she just disappear as soon as you kill her tho?

>>51281340
Holy shit she's hot...

>>51281135
Its still objectively better. like loads. are you being retarded?

>>51281344
Helfrost, Diresword, etc.
There are ways to remove from play without ID.

>>51281269
>tfw she even has goat legs for your Faun/Devil gril fetishes
I would were I strong enough for her not to kill me.

>>51281356
For a trans girl who plays a fat married man's game she is pretty nice looking.

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Remember kids

GW knows of lovehammer's existence and made Saint Celestine the Sailor Moon of 40k

Mainly because she has enough willpower to say fuck warp and the necron pylons, and put failbaddon on a wheelchair for the rest of his miserable and armless life as the formed did with chaos in her world.

Now expect the Part 2 of Gathering storm to be GW's answer to Shinji and 40k + Mobile Suit Mechanicus, where Macha is Asuka, Ronahn is Shinji, and Eldrad is fucking Gendo

>>51281283
Eldrad fucking knows now that if they really want to survive, they need to ally wih the Mon keigh and bring back the Big E

even beast arises implied that

>>51281356
i wouldnt say that

Commissar or Priest? ARGH THE DECISIONS!

>>51281135
bringing like 700 points of free transports is way better than giving hatred.

>>51281311
Yeah, basically they were like "Kill the traitors- wait, where are we? Look over there, MORE TRAITORS, KILL THEM ALL"

Gotta give them credit, those Ultramarines were pretty cool.

More props for the Valhallans and Tanith, 'The other guys who aren't the first and only' because they were normal humans shat out of stasis and right into hell, and they just started firing.

I kinda feel sorry for the 'First and only' they finally had others from Tanith in the galaxy and then they all die without them even knowing about them.

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>>51281269
Miriael a cute though

>>51281394
>Celestien is Sailor Moon
Care to elaborate on that a bit more?

>>51281417
No, she's Slaaneshi, and therefore inferior to my Khornate waifu.

>>51281417
She looks pretty cool.
The tongue thingy is weird, but I don't dislike it.
They could expand a bit her fluff

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>>51281248

>>51281404
Commissar only if you run out of Priests. I always run my Infantry blobs and Conscript blobs with a Priest plus Primaris Psyker ML2. Prescience with first rank second rank is great and if you get lucky getting Forewarning then you can get a 4++ re-rollable in close combat.

>>51281404
>>51281404
For Gun line Commissar (so you can go to ground)
For Everything else Priest

Or you can be really fucking cheesy and have a priest stand 2" away from your gunline, order them to go to ground, have the priest join the unit next tern and they automatically get back up.

>>51281404
You nearly always want Priest, worse Fearless is only better when you want them to Go to Ground, and that's a turn spent not moving/shooting at full BS.

Plus War Hymns making even conscripts fucking beasts in CC, especially if you take Celestine for sweet Ld10 War Hymn tests.

>>51281448
>hoping for Forewarning
Nigga let me tell you about Rending Lasguns.

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Would this be an alright start to a Slaanesh (and smaller Tzeentch) army?

>>51281447
That's the one!

>>51280390
I want to start Tau, are there any tips which /tg/ should give me?

>>51281506
>I want to start Tau
dont

>>51281479
They are great I know it well. Rending lasguns with first rank second rank and sometimes with ignore cover. Mm mmm.

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>>51281248
>>51281447
Call me a wimp, but I'd rather get a Nurgle girl like this. Horned and rotten, but still a girl.

>>51281506
First make sure you ask your boyfriends permission to put on a frilly dress before you go down to your FLGS to buy your models and pink paint tee hee

>>51281506
Start Collecting is excellent value especially for Tau
Don't bring Riptides under 750-1000 and limit yourself at least to one per ~750
That said fuck the haters do what you want
Stormsurge is retarded though in looks and rules. If you do want to use it then one per 1500.

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>>51281539

>>51281575
DELETE THIS

>>51281593
>or jokes
Are they funny ones?

>>51281593
So the eldar Triad is going to be the big thing with the next book then. A friend plays Harlequins so I'm glad he could be getting a named character, well, as named as someone who abandons their personality can be.

>>51281602
Depends on how you feel about Harlequins

>>51281593
the sylandri kitty

>>51281593
So I guess this means every multi-dex race is getting a castellan-equivalent FOC then?

Hopefully we get rules for exodites. I highly it will ever happen, but who knows with modern GW?

>>51281602
So funny that you split your sides and fall down in unimaginable pain, then you realise that this had already happened a week ago and that you're already dead. Then some clown fuck sings a song on your corpse and fucks off.

>>51281527
>Choosing a Nurgle girl at all
Khorne gril or no gril!

>>51281660
Why did the harlequin touch you anon?

>>51281653
>Hopefully we get rules for exodites.
Maybe someday. But it won't be in this book.

>>51281434

read again and remember of sailor moon's series finale, but replace galaxia/Entity of chaos with failbaddon and celestine with sailor moon

therefore Big E finally accomplished on making his own Daemon princess Daugher to look like the one that he never managed to do in the past

>>51281706
So what happens when the people of the imperium realize that the living saints are just daemons of the emperor?

>>51281706
Ah, kind of see it now. Was thinking way simpler than that and has been a decade at least since I last saw Sailor Moon, too.

Makes me disappointed that she has no transformation sequence.

>>51281745
The people of the imperium don't know anything about demons.

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>>51281661
Could I interest you in an implausibly dressed undivided girl?

>>51281283
>So, what are the eldari leading the Imperials to

A webway gate so they can gtfo.

Is it worth putting Star Engines/Vectored Engines on a Fire Prism? Is one better or worse than the other?

>>51281448
>>51281455
>>51281469
Makes sense. Though Commissars make orders more reliable, which is the one thing making me reconsider.

Is there only one hq allowed per game?

>>51281868
No. Not at all.

>>51281868
You can have as many HQ's as you want/can take.

>>51281807
A fire prism is a backline unit so it shouldn't need them.

>>51281851
To me, leadership 8 v 9 is not a huge deal. If you have an aegis defense line then Commissars are good. Also if your meta is mostly shooty armies then commissars are good. In my meta at least there is always close combat so I like the Priest buffs.

>>51281527
Finally a woman that will appreciate fart jokes

>>51281868
One Warlord, no upper cap on HQs

>>51281914
Ah, I see. Better to save the bits to put on a different unit then?

So.

'Aeldari.'

>>51281970
WYSIWYG doesn't really matter for vehicle upgrades like that.

>>51281763
She is acceptable.

>>51280390

I heard that you need to put a seal on the bottom of your figurines in order to join tournaments. The reason for the seal is to stop 3D figurines from entering in. Is this true?

>>51282044
Yeah they're called purity seals.

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>>51282044
Yeah, preferably a clubbed or at least crying one.

>>51282044
>The reason for the seal is to stop 3D figurines from entering in
yeah, because telling the difference between 3D miniatures and 2D miniatures is real hard

>>51282074
Yeah people cheat all the time by trying to put their 2d models in sideways so you can't see them.

>>51282007
I get why they want to change it, but the i at the end pushes it from dumb into maximum overdumb.

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>>51281763
Khorne grills still best grills

>>51281745

Imperial Citizens, Guard and the vast majority of Space Marines have no idea what Daemons are and do not know they exist. (for long)

>>51281488
Would I stand any chance in a game with this list or does it just get shot off the board?

Hey /tg/, was wondering what the most expensive single wound model is in the game, including upgrade costs?

I nominate vanguard vet with jump pack, two thunderhammers and a melta bomb (64pts)

>>51282062

How do the guys with the older armies get the purity seals and what stopping somebody with a 3D printed army from getting his army purity sealed?

>>51282114
I'd take a trip down Kharnetta's eightfold path any day

>>51281506
Decide in advance if you want to be That Guy
If you do, skip Start Collecting and just go straight for the big suits
If not, Start Collecting

The issue with Start Collecting is that Fire Warriors are really a hit or miss. You can forego them completely since Farsight Enclave lets you take Crisis Suits as Troop choices if you choose to run a CAD, and there are no major formations that even use a Strike Team outside of some weird Devilfish ones. And when your army isn't actually fielding any Pulse weapons, Ethereals become questionable HQ choices.

As a general rule for any army, plan your list out, and figure out how future purchases will fit into it. Make an army list and budget it first. If you plan on being even mildly competitive, ask if you can proxy to play with units before you buy, borrow someone else's army, or just play online to see what works.

>arch warhammer
But hey

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>>51281445
>The tongue thingy is weird, but I don't dislike it.

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Would it be a good idea to convert pic related into a Keeper of Secrets? I like the minotaur look the other keeper models have, but dealing with metal or resin seems like a pain.

Guys I am so fucking pumped I'm getting the Dark Eldar Start Collecting on Saturday to ally with my Non-wraith Eldar. I'm eventually doing an all Eldar army once I scrape up spare cash to go halfers on death masque with my mate. Can't wait!

>>51282131
Nope, it would have to be the sm. command squad seargeant

> dude (18pts)
> two thunder hammers (60pts)
> bike (35pts)
> standard of emperor ascendant (60pts)
> storm shield (10pts)
> melta bombs (5pts)
153pts on a 1W model

>>51282137
I fucking hate him jesus christ

>>51282206
it sounds like hes doing his best TB impression with even less charisma then butt-cancer himself.

>>51282044
>>51282133
What the fuck are you talking about? The only kind of seal that might even be required is Purity Seal, a spray-on gloss finish by GW that locks in paintjobs.

>3D printing
At least your spouting about 3d and 2d makes sense now. No, they don't look out for that. 3D printing is of shit quality compared to GW's models unless you have an industrial-standard printer, and those are so expensive you could buy entire armies for cheaper.

They would be more on the lookout for Chinacast, but unless you fuck up and bring China Sisters or something, get a good quality cast and paint it and you're golden.

>>51282136
> play online
?????

>>51282226
tabletop simulator has a lot of mods for it, and it works pretty well.

>>51282220
He hates absolutely everything. His content is so shit

>>51282123
I find that incredibly hard to believe given the Horus heresy and 13 black crusades instigated by chaos over the last ten thousand years

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>>51282293
Sounds like he has everything it takes to be on /tg/, then.

>>51282298
Most citizens only know that Horus betrayed the Emperor and is basically their version of Satan. They usually don't know anything about the other traitors.

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>>51282311
kek

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>>51282226
Tabletop Simulator if you want 3D, Vassal if you want 2D, or one of the countless janky play-your-own-game clients if you're willing to put in the effort.

I'm surprised there aren't more people playing it in these threads. I guess everyone here cares more about painting, lore, and shitposting than the actual gameplay. Or maybe they just do physical.

>>51282345
Is there a way I can get this without paying for it

>>51282311
That pic should be a banner

>>51282187
>Using a Tzeentch model for a Slaaneshi Daemon
Disgusting.

>>51282377
everythink has to change one day, birdy. Even an allegiance

>>51282187
Yes, though I'd probably give him a minotaur's head instead of the humanoid one.

Does anyone here actually like Arch Warhammer? Line genuinely his content is terrible

>>51282114
That is a 10/10 in Russia.

Still a 10/10 here.

>>51282377
Hence why I said conversion. I'd be ditching the more overtly Tzeentch bits.

>>51282402
That's what I was considering, though I may end up having it be a mask in the shape instead. I'm not confident enough to try and green stuff it.

>>51282404
his YT views would say yes but I don't get it.

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>>51282367
It's $11 on G2A
Once you buy it, everything else are just Workshop mods
No clue if a pirated copy lets you play online, but maybe you can do direct connect

>>51282311
>>51282330
>>51282368
>implying it wasn't super obvious that a lot of shitposters have never read the rules or fluff

>>51282511
>models aren't based

>>51282557
Just tell me that they have unpainted tau and it's 100% realistic then

>>51282345
Honestly the idea of playing 40k on there seems like it's more of a pain and just inconvenient on there. I know I can put money into the tabletop game and get the proper experience despite its high cost. Plus it doesn't translate well either

>>51282590
It's great for easily testing out new lists or if you just feel like playing anything with somebody when you don't have the time to meet up at the store.

Definitely FAR from perfect, but it gets the job done, considering it costs as much as 3 pots of paint.

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>>51280390
Have a 750pts game coming up with a new player to the game running ultramarines. This list okay for easy a new player into 40k?

>>51282557
The bad graphics represent the average quality of painting you'll find in your local GW.

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>>51282578
Tau ironically is one of the best-supported armies on there. You're normally stuck with a single color scheme for all the troops since ripping/customizing textures is a hassle, but Tau has some 20 different colors to pick from.

>>51282590
Having played a few dozen games, it's infinitely more convenient than playing physical. Digital rulers that fit anywhere perfectly, first-person perspective for instantly checking LOS, being able to move entire units of models at the same time with perfect distance precision, all relevant information is conveniently displayed when you hover over a model, you can port in your Battlescribe/Webapp list as a one-click popup for reference, etc.

Not to mention it's FREE once you buy TTS. I can play whatever army I want without taking out a loan and pulling a sabbatical to paint all of it.

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>>51282634
You didn't even try to optimize that list retard. Do you want to give him an easy win?

Sat reading some lore and I've jsut been thinking to myself, I absolutely love how worshippers of Khorne deddicate themselves to a philosophy known as the eightfold path. In real life this philosophy is common in buddhism, and the complete antithesis of its 40k counterpart.

Love it

>>51282453
>I'm not confident enough to try and green stuff it.
just use a GW beastman/minotaur head in its place

Does anyone have the bit of lore about humans exploding and dissolving the universe if the emperor dies?

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>>51282685
>Broadsides with 2 SMS each
what the fuck are you doing

>>51282620
It serves its purpose which that's what video games do for the most part. That's what one should expect. That and ease of accessibility unless there are pay walls.
>>51282685
Well this convinced me to not bother with this terrible game

>>51282735
Disgusting loyalist propaganda, lies every word

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>>51282735

>>51282345
>I'm surprised there aren't more people playing it in these threads

The whole point is it's about Your Dudez, if I wanted to play a computer version, I'd just play DoW not some clunky simulated TT version.

>>51282791
source?

>>51282799
The rulebook.

Is running a retribution formation at the local non tournament style game store overkill? I am really I the mood to destroy stuff with my rip tides and surges

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>tfw Big Es corpse is reanimated by the collective will of his subjects cause of Eye Of Terror fucker

OUTTA MY WAY CHAOS SHITS

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Just finished a game against the biggest most autistic asshole at my store what are you up to /tg/?
Played a 3000pt game against CSM dude was such a fucking asshole I wanted to kill him. I'm up with doing a barrel if anyone wants me to try.

Also show me your dudes anons!!

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>>51282654
Some models are just ripped from DoW or some other 40k games, but a bunch are custom-made. The detail isn't too bad on them.

>>51282781
Why not?

>>51282794
>They're not Your Dudes unless you can physically hold them
>DoW is a turn-based tabletop game
>TTS is somehow clunkier than physical despite having tools specifically made to help you play more efficiently
I don't understand

>>51282852
Why was he an asshole anon? <3

(I like your bases btw)

>>51280546
>retrograde-advance

>>51282794
Good luck trying out several army configurations and setups you want to test before buying the models inside Dawn of War.

>>51282860
Let's not lie. Cover and terrain are fucked on TTS, there's little way to actually get the models where you want them as soon as they're not on the base table.

The actual physical game is better, but TTS is a very good way to get people playing considering the tiny price point in comparison.

>>51281445
They could also could give her rules. I would love to have those.

>>51282345
>I guess everyone here cares more about painting, lore, and shitposting than the actual gameplay.

40k's gameplay has always been pretty ropy. There are far better balanced games out there - people who are mostly concerned with gameplay would rather play Warmahordes, X-Wing, or something similar. 40k's audience is mostly comprised of people who like the models and the fluff, and tolerate the unbalanced, shoddy gameplay because it lets them indulge in the bits they do like with other people.

>>51282852
>what are you up to /tg/?

Played a 1750 point game into Iron Hands with my Dark Eldar. Ended up losing 7:8 on Maelstrom points, but all he had left was an empty Drop Pod and a Rhino full of Sternguard, so I'm not too disappointed.

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>>51282868
Because he was a CSM player.

They're always looking for something to bitch about.

>>51282860
Any groups you'd recommend for getting in games with?

>>51282860
No Anon they aren't your dudes unless you build and paint them. thats the difference here.

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Whats up with big Tau suits being creatures instead of vehicles? I can admit that maybe the Riptide is a creature as a single person is operating it (But then why are Knights vehicles?). The Stormsurge has a fucking cockpit though, and is clearly not driven like a suit. The biggest thing, the Ta'Unar is a fucking Titan made of metal and guns. How is that not a vehicle? Is there some sort of balance thing going on?

>>51282944
Basically, monsters > walker.

>>51282934
I play Alpha Legion and I'm very happy! I think I'm always happy though

>>51282969
Alpha Legion and Emperor's Children are exceptions. I like them.

>>51282969
but anon are you Omegon

>>51282944
It's probably an extension of the Crisis/Broadside suit rules. Originally, back when the Tau were being playtested before they were introduced to 40k, Battlesuits were light vehicles, like Killa Kanz. But the developers back in the day found they were way too hard to kill (especially since Hull Points didn't exist back then - glances and pens both rolled on the damage chart, and causing an explosion was the only way to kill them). So they were playtested next as T3, multi-wound infantry, and were found to be too easy to remove with S6 weapons due to Instant Death, and thus were brought up to T4.

GW probably wants to keep people from asking "why is this Suit an infantry model and this one a vehicle?", and rather than go back and rework something which has worked as infantry from the start, they're just making all the giant battlesuits Monstrous Creatures, since MC's are fundamentally just big solo infantry models.

Of course, it shoots the balance all to hell, but GW doesn't care about that.

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>>51282944
Nope.
Look at this thing, it's a vehicle - walker.

Monstrous Creatures better survivability than vehicles (more wounds than hull points, rolling to wound is about the same as rolling to pen on some weapons, can't be insta-killed are weakened via the vehicle damage table and an actual armour save or even invuln most of the time)


I wouldn't be surprised if monstrous creatures just replaced walkers because they're easier in the rules. Alternatively, monstrous creatures will be getting the AoS treatment where they become weaker when they suffer more wounds.

>>51282982
I love you <3
>>51283003
Maybe I am

Just finished reading Fall of Cadia. Any thoughts on what's in the magic stasis box?

>>51282944
It's a holdover from previous editions. Back when Tau were introduced, they only really had crisis suits and broadsides. AV and being a vehicle was actually somewhat good back then, so the Tau suits were made into infantry so they wouldn't be spamming a bunch of cheap AV that nobody could hurt.

Eventually things progressed and vehicles became worse, but Tau suits kept being infantry. The Riptide was made an MC to fit with that, and it's stuck on everything else, even the multi-pilot suits.

Why do the imperial fists sometimes have studded pauldrens and/or shin fairs but the rest of the power armor looks like the current model. Also where do you get those models.

>>51281269
The were made for fighting. thats why

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>>51282852
STOP PLAYING RAY. Holy shit, GGA, it's like you want him to keep showing up...

>Traitor Legions sold out before Christmas
>have to wait for a restock and order from GW
>finally get an order last Monday
>pick up the supplement and a metal box for my other army
>takes over a week to ship because LOL SUREPOST
>finally get it
>book arrives with a bent corner
>sprues coated in cancer dust
>transfer sheet replaced with tiny ultrasmurfs transfer card

This is why I hate when my FLGS fails me

>>51282934
Don't lump us all together. I'm always happy to get in a game win, lose, or tie. I'll always treat my foe well. Banter with him? sure. Tease his troopers? True. But I won't ever my foe feel like I am disrespectful of them.

What should I do for Skitarii killteam? Just buy Ruststalkers? Vanguard spam? I dunno.

>>51283025
>Monstrous Creatures better survivability than vehicles

This isn't really true. Or at least, it's only true in the case of the new, giant Monstrous Creatures that GW wants to push sales on. The average AV of a Walker is 12, while most old-style Monstrous Creatures are sitting at T6. T6 roughly equates to AV10 - they're both damaged by St4 weapons on a 6+, 5 on a 5+, 6 on a 4+, etc etc. Monsters have an armour save and can't be insti-killed, but vehicles are completely immune to lighter weapons/attacks. This isn't to say Dreadnoughts and the like couldn't use an extra Hull Point, but the MC/Vehicle divide isn't as unbalanced as it looks. GW just isn't willing to make individual Monsters and Walkers balanced against one another.

>>51283089
>Don't lump us all together
Gee...Sounds like something many of the users here should do with Tau players, too.

>>51282934
All I want is LRR's and free Marks of Khorne.

>>51283023
There's also the fact that they're Jet Pack Monstrous Creatures.
Are there Jet Pack Vehicles?

>>51283089
I think you're a great guy anon <3

>>51283060
Those are shoulders from MK VI Corvus Pattern Power Armor. MK VI and MK VII share interchangeable parts so they're just being reused. You can shoulders like those from MK V and MK VI kits from Forge World.

>>51283111
>Are there Jet Pack Vehicles?

Most Monstrous Creatures only move 6" a turn, plus Running if they don't shoot. Vehicles can move 12" a turn, and can go even faster if they move Flat Out. Yes, they give up the ability to shoot if they do so, but it means they can move around much quicker (to grab linebreaker/objectives, get transported units into position, tank shot/ram, get into place to block lines of sight, etc) if the situation calls for it.

>>51282345
>I'm surprised there aren't more people playing it in these threads

I strictly play on Tabletop simulator against myself

>>51283111
No. Closest thing is the Eldar Wasp assault walkers that are effectively Jump Walkers.

>>51283103
Okay, we'll lump you into two groups:
The TIDF faggots that think Riptide spam at all points levels is fun, and the true caste that play gunlines, Kroot, and Vespids like real men

>>51280654
Fucked up General. If it was TITLED PROPERLY, I could just do this
> Open catalog
> Ctrl-f "40k"
> enter
And now I'm in the 40k general within the span of 3~ seconds.

Because the thread is titled incorrectly, I now have to type
> Ctrl-f "Warhammer 40 0" to hit the thread. It was bad enough that faggots don't shorten the title, because this is only SLIGHTLY worse than having to ctrl-f "Warhammer 40,"
Because this is just plain annoying.

People that use their eyes are just mongoloids. It takes way longer, and the general isn't always the same image because more mongoloids and imagewars.

So any of the Imperials Trio become auto-includes in your lists?

Hard justifying not taking Celestine in a unit like grav command bikers/VV.

What with her
>Fearless
>Crazy Buffs
>Respawning x2 2W 3+/4++ fodder that join a unit with her
>one time respawn of 5W, EW, 2+/4++
>Hit and Run

>>51283096
I was referring to Riptides, Wraithknights and the like.
Before those came out, there wasn't much of an issue. Tyranid beasts and dreadnoughts felt different enough.
Now the line is so blurred and the new MCs are just insanely durable. Sure, a dreadnought is 2/3rds the price of a riptide but I can't snipe a riptide with a lascannon and wipe it off the table in a single shot.

>>51283151
>TIDF
Never fails to make me kek

Also, how beneficial is the Lost and Damned formation to Alpha Legion?

>>51283145
It's not about distance, it's about being able to Thrust Move back into cover after you shoot.

>>51283111

There is an Eldar war walker variant that has a Jet Pack and can Deep Strike.

It's Forge World though.

The Eldar Titans can also all jump around or move like they have Jet Packs.

I think in the early days of the game the Blood Angels could take Jump Packs on their Dreadnoughts, but that's just something I've heard.

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>>51282114
>no nerdy tzeentch waifus

>>51283162
Right, but the problem isn't the core Monstrous Creature rules. It's the fact that Riptides are bouncing around the board with 5 wounds, a 2+/3++ save. Individual Walkers and individual MC's need to be rebalanced, not the base rules behind each unit.

Though I agree big Tau suits need to be vehicles, just because it doesn't make sense for them to be otherwise. Wraithlords/Knights I can accept since they're big animate statues, they don't have any internal workings of mechanics which can be destroyed or disabled. But Tau suits are Walkers in everything but rules.

>>51283168
And the answer is still "no, but you can do other things instead."

>>51283161
I had been planning on including the new Celestine regardless, though the fact that she revives her bodyguards made me more tempted.

I had been fluffing a special snowflake OC donutsteel living saint that was a former hospital per and thus could revive allies instead of just herself, as well as having a mace that could shoot light at longer ranges.

New Celestine fits perfectly with that. Orbital bombardment, reviving the Geminis, but she's so good that I almost feel bad for talking her unless I purposefully squander points by having her sit back out of melee and only buff a small squad.

>>51283224
The point is it's something different.
Why not make them flyers, then? You still won't be able to thrust move, but you can do other things instead.

>>51283122
Thanks. That's very kind of you.

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>>51282852
I'm playing this list right here against a good friend of mine, this upcoming saturday. Tomorrow I have a job interview at comcast, hoping to get into the IT industry so I can actually afford this hobby.

Rough riders seem like a fun, purely awesome unit that becomes kinda passable with the Castellans, since Hatred blends nice with I5 S5 AP3 melee... Even if they're fairly fragile.

My plan is use my space marines as DISTRACTIONS so that the Rough Riders can hopefully go up the table unmolested. I know one 10-man unit is going to be hanging out behind the land raider at the very least.

>>51283162
>>51283213
I think the biggest annoyance for me is really just how stuff with Melta or Armorbane isn't any better against the mechanized MCs.

It's dumb that a land raider can be turned into a pile of slag from a meltagun volley but a Riptide won't really be any worse for wear than if it had been Plasma

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How quickly would this not work? The plan is to roll Telepathy and try to get Invisibility on Coteaz, and getting Div for Prescience on the Astropaths to get twinlinked las-plas Rhinos Crusader squads. Bikes for objectives and flinging grav shots.

Orks would fuck me pretty good.

>>51283227
>feel bad for talking her
Tau and Eldar exist

I'll bet you all irl Alpha Legion will help Imperial cause in the next books. How could we bet they were loyal this whole run.

>>51283258
Let me rephrase. I feel bad for taking her in games that aren't against those Top tier lists.

I don't want to roll up against Guard or Orks with some unkillable juggernaut.

>>51282943
Dude was a massive sperg and would fight me on the most basic things. Also as I think back on it was blatantly cheating the whole game.

>>51280390
>Even in death CADIA STANDS!

https://regimental-standard.com/2017/01/18/cadia-another-imperial-victory/

The Imperium doesn't want Cadia, heretic!

>>51280970
Wait... Can't you just elect to... Move out of the way?

What are the odds thatcorvin severax will be brought back from the dead so that I can use his model more often?

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>tfw no Battlefront game with Cadian Shock Troops vs Lost and the Damned during the 13th Black Crusade.

>>51283300
Not if you anchor the Stormaurge. That prevents it from moving by any means. And the tank removes any model that can't move from play. Gargantuan creatures are immune to attacks that remove them from play, but a Tank Shock isn't an attack.

So Timber

>>51281868
You can have as many HQs as YOUR FUCKING RULE BOOK SAYS YOU CAN HAVE

>>51283165
Both the legion rules and LatD rules stack so take that for what you will

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>>51283200
Enjoy your bird

>>51283378
I read my rule book and it just told me that you are a faggot

>>51282189
Kay thanks for the update Aeldari collecting loser

i think this will be my castellan formation. itd be cool if DT came back too on the 5+. respawning immolators ftw.

How many Deathstrikes does it take to be considered a dick? 2? 4?

>>51281868
You can take as many HQ's as you can fit in to the formation within your points value. But only one of those can be the Warlord.

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>>51283330
>Tfw the most recent battlefront was a shallow cashgrab

>>51283402
Wait what?! So like, you roll a d6 and if that fails, you roll the next?

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>>51283330
>instead of Jedi and Sith special units it's muhrines
>"THEY'VE SENT IN THE DAEMONS!"
>"WATCH THOSE COMBI-MELTAS!"

Mother of fuck I didn't realize how much I needed this until now.

>>51283442
>itd be cool if DT came back too on the 5+.

If they are DT for a troop choice then I dont see why not, you just have to make a separate roll for the unit and the transport.

>>51283470
>fingerless glove meter
Why don't all games have this?

Hey anons, can someone mathhammer me 4 Power Sword attacks versus 3 Lightning claw attacks on MEQ GEQ and TEQ?

Currently undecided on what to give my sergeants. On one hand, Shred seems really useful, but on the other hand, the allure of 4 AP3 attacks is nice.

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>>51283442
whoops forgot list

>>51283442
dedicated transports (for troops) are troop units

when the transport gets destroyed, you roll for them like you would any troop unit in the castellan detachment

>>51283475
No ones sure. I play it as you roll 2 dice and if both roll a 4+ you get 2 new units but one has outflank.

>>51283475
Yep. And one roll refreshes the dead unit while the other roll creates a new unit, so it is possible that TWO units of cultists come back.

>>51283334
Umm...I would think MC's and Gargantuans would treat tank shock as a ramming attack. That's just what I would have thought though.

>>51283478
>campaigns
>set across some of the most important battlefields of 40k
>defending Cadia to the last while hordes of demons pour out
>forced to help hold the line until Trazyn and Cawl start up the Pylons
>don't play one Guardsman but switch between soldier at every cutscene or progression event because the one you played as dies trying to accomplish his platoon's goal

That could probably present this whole Cadia thing in a pretty entertaining way.

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>>51282634

>>51283246
>2001 points of unbound
That is a weird point limit
Why don't you just do list building properly instead?

>>51283611
It's not Unbound, it's a Castellans detachment. So 2 HQ and 4 troops minimum, with most of the Armies of the Imperium under the same detachment.

>>51283478
>Single player mode/online challenge mode where 1 player is a Daemon Prince.
>Objective: Slaughter everything.

>>51283484
>>51283562
Would bikes taken as troops with a bike captain respawn? Some spergish types were saying you can't take bikes as troops because they are listed as fast attack in the selection lists.

>>51283569
>>51283573
Jesus I'm confused

>>51283632
Please, sort that list a bit more and use the Dedicated Transport option if they are that.

Makes reading and recognizing it easier for everyone.

>>51283645
He changes their battlefield role, so they'd respawn.

>>51281488

thumbs up for slaanesh

its going to be in the opponents face quickly and im pretty sure slaanesh daemon can move trough cover so it could work out.


Soulgrinder of slaanesh W/ sword isnt that great so better to drop sword for phlegm
A Keeper of Secrets may be overkill on 1000pts could just go with a psyker herald and add more daemonettes
and you might want to drop some seekers to upgrade the daemonettes with their sergeant-equiv

>>51283645
>Some spergish types were saying you can't take bikes as troops because they are listed as fast attack in the selection lists.

Those spergish types are right, the Castellan isnt your typical Force Organization Chart, its a whole new detachment that has different options and requirements. A captain in a bike doesnt make bike troops in this new detachment.

Please prove me wrong but the list of what can and cant be taken is there for a reason.

>>51283645
Check your codex. If it says an HQ "in a Space Marines detachment" unlocks bikes as troops then you can't do it.

>>51283484
Would it be two? I feel like its a part of the unit as an upgrade

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>>51283645
Because you can't. Do you see bikes in the list for troops? No
That is because you can only use those things as Troops.

>>51283694
>>51283700
>>51283722
Mounted Assault: If a unit with this special rule is chosen as part of a Detachment that
contains at least one independent character with the Space Marines Faction equipped
with a Space Marine bike, the unit’s Battlefield Role changes to Troops.

>>51283635
>ork gameplay
>customizable vehicles for every player, directly impacting the vehicle's performance
>get new parts by salvaging wrecks on the battlefield
>if your trukk/bike is destroyed your Mekannikk skill determines how much of your old design you can replicate, otherwise your parts get randomized until you fix it up post-game
>randomized vehicles gain other buffs like blessings of G&M for not bothering with putting stuff together but krumping stuff instead

>>51283645
The rule:

>Mounted Assault: If a unit with this special rule is chosen as part of a Detachment that
contains at least one independent character with the Space Marines Faction equipped
with a Space Marine bike, the unit’s Battlefield Role changes to Troops.

RAW yes.

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In advance: Only played this guy because he was the only one playing 40k that day. But it was pretty enjoyable at the beginning and I was able to learn some shit. Would you lads be up for a batrep? I got all of my images resized so it won't kill anyone on mobile.

>>51283687
That's what I figured. This guy was probably a foreigner with the way he went from 0-60 in hostility.

>>51283694
>>51283700
>>51283722

Quote paraphrased from the Bike Squad list.
>Mounted Assault: If an independent character has a bike in THIS FORMATION, the unit's Battlefield Role changes to Troops.

That's a unit special rule, I don't think it is overridden by a reference list when it specifically mentions detachments in general.

>>51282345
I want to play 40k on Tabletop Simulator but I have no idea how to get units onto a map or play properly.

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>>51283741
Still not on the list for troops.

Stop trying to cheat for fuck sake.

>>51283545
Power swords against GEQ is around 1.4 wounds, while LC is 1.7. Against Meq, it's 1 on the sword and 1.1 on the claw. TEQ is basically no wounds for either, but I'd imagine Claw still pulls out ahead in the long run, as it's the same as MEQ, just with only 1/6 of those 1.1 wounds hitting.

>>51283741
Which THEN makes them impossible to be used at all since bikes aren't listed as Troop choices and they aren't Fast Attack anymore either.

>>51283772
Bike squads are listed in Fast Attack in the main book but are made into troops by Mounted Assault, so that list means nothing.

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>>51283772

>>51283771
Find a group, they generally have a resource pack with all the stuff that gets scrubbed from the steam workshop.
You don't need to have everything, just what you need. When someone else loads in something, you automatically download it even if it's local.

>>51283790
You can only take bikes in the fast attack slot.

If they're in the fast attack slow, they're not legal to run in the Castellans detachment.

>>51283764
I'm trying to fall asleep so a cozy batrep is appreciated

>>51283779
Huh, interesting. I thought the extra power sword attack might pull ahead, but apparently not! Time to model my sergeants with LCs.

>>51283808
if they're not in the fast attack slot*

>>51283800
Pardon, it says detachment specifically.

>>51283798
>Use special rules as described in their dataslate.
Sounds like that overrides the reference list.

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How does this look for something to build to?

>>51283819
Read >>51283798 are bikes troops on their datasheet?

No, so stop it. You are turning into Taufag, fucking cheating marines.

>>51283771
There's a collection of workshop pages on r/tts40k that has tables, templates. and models to work with. They're usually good with labeling models with wargear and stats, so that's cool.

>>51283813
I'd advise against it unless you really expect them in CC. 15 points on a tactical marine for an assault that might never happen is a bit wasteful

>>51283783
this might be the dumbest reading of rules ive ever seen in my 14 years of playing this game

>>51283843
I think you might be fucking retarded, friend. Mounted Assault isn't an optional rule. It automatically changes them to troop units.

>>51283843
Theb again, you could probably field them as Fast Attack slots and then have them turn into Troops on the field because the special rule causing it is on the datasheet.

>>51282852
Bat rep bat rep go go go.

GGA VS Autistic Sugar Ray Leonard

you still need chapter tactics for your space marines so respawning hnr bike troops is a definite possibity unless you can barely read rules and cant understand how they work together like the biggest retard in the fucking world

>>51283813
You really shouldn't prepare tacticals for assault. BT get by with their rage/counterattack ability, but tacticals should be primarily shooting unless you need to hide them from something better at shooting. Otherwise, route assault units with other units to prevent them from reaching your object holding tacticals.

>>51283885
Again there is the restriction to only those things. In the fucking list.

You are the cheater trying to abuse rules. Stick to the bloody list and stop trying to cheat.

The thing is already broken with respawning drop pods.

Coteaz doesnt give ObSec to Bike Troops anyways so who cares.

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>>51281236
RIP my Michigander brother, even Detroit area over here I would have to drive an hour to a store that does regular 40k, making my only local option being placing with my cheesy autist Ultramuhreens coworker. Pretty much why I just play the video games.

>>51283919
How are drop pods broken, they don't get to deep strike back in.

>>51283764
Where the fuck is this game shop? i see screens with those orange walls on the time on here.

>>51283838
Remove the icon from the troops squad to give your HQ drugs. Much better odds of getting that sweet +1T

>Gangs of Commoragh is $60 USD

Fuck me for not having money...

>>51283919
>take 2 HQs and 4 Troops
>take 1-6 bike squads as fast attack
>game starts
>rule kicks in
>now have 1-6 bike squads as Troops
He followed the list limitation in my eyes.

>>51283919
it isnt. did you read the list thing? I dont think you read that REFERENCE PAGE at all.

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I'm thinking of finally taking the dive into 40k. I've wanted to do it for a long time.

I'm planning on getting the Triumvirate set, just because I really want Celestine. Outside of that, I was thinking of getting one of the starterish sets, like Kill Team or that Dark Angels v.s. Chaos Marines set.

I don't really plan on playing 40k, so much as just collecting and painting the figures, however I might like to have a playable army at some point. Would it be feasible to run Celestine with some Sisters of Battle, along with some Space Marines (Black Templars maybe?) Or is that stupid?

Am I being silly by buying the Triumvirate right away? I just really like the models, Celestine in particular, and I don't want to chance not being able to get my hands on them later. I'll probably save painting them for last, and practice instead on the other figures I get, since I've never done this kind of thing before.

>>51283919
Quote the rule that says you are restricted to the unit classifications of that list, because all I see is a list that tells you what book and where in the selection you'll find a unit in. According to your logic, you can't even take dedicated transports.

>>51283942
Ok now you are just trolling.

>>51283937
He give it to everyone but Vehicles. That is why this fucks are trying to cheat bikes into troops.

>>51283772
> TFW I'm still smugly sitting on forgeworld emails that all the 'forgeworld dreadnoughts: Leviathans, deredeo, chaplain, siege, and IA2 contemptor' all count as Dreadnought for formations.

Boy am I glad to be out of this argument. Thanks based forgeworld for having a team that actually responds to rules questions via email.

>>51283937
Imperial Agents Coteaz gives obsec to all non-vehicles. Bike units are not vehicles.

>>51283946
If I do that the Sorcerer's escorts won't be able to give him a sweet 4+ FnP.

>>51283980
I'm not trolling, ongoing reserves isn't the same as deep strike reserve.

>>51283919
I feel bad for anyone you play.

"You must use the profiles, point costs, SPECIAL RULES, and any dedicated transports available to each unit as described on their data sheet"

Bikes becoming troops is a special rule for a bike captain you blithering fucking dipshit.

>>51283901
You can't do that for the same reason that you can't run a Dark Eldar CAD with six units of Trueborn and no troops.

>>51283970
If you read the thread, you'd know there's a new detachment to run Sisters and Marines together, as well as pretty much any other good Imperium unit.
Celestine is great, though I'd try your luck getting her separate on ebay before dropping the money on the triumvirate.

>>51283916
Khorne Daemonkin rules say that they must challenge, so I might as well give everyone expensive upgrades. 2 CSM, 9 CCWS, a Lightning Claw, Icon of Wrath, and 2 Meltaguns add up to 233 points total for the entire unit. Plus Rhino, dozer blade, and havoc launcher, that's 52 more points for 275 point troopsx2.

>>51283970
Buy it if you want, the models are gorgeous and strong, but I'd hold off with assembling and painting before you get decent at it. Celestine needs you to be good at proper white consistency and faces and Cawl needs good robe shadowing ans detailing to really pop.

Get some cheaper normal dude boxes, a Start Collecting box or some scenario box first to get training.

>>51283970
Fall of Cadia pretty much makes it the easiest thing in the world to "ally" now, since you don't need to use any force organizations other than the single Castellans of the Imperium detachment, so you could easily play with Sisters and Black Templar, and Celestine can be used as an HQ for any Imperial army, so you're not limited to having her as part of the Sisters' army.

It fucking sucks that you cant take any dedicated transports in the castellan list. Oh by the way, I need you to sign this sheet, it says I went out of my way to make conversation with a stranger, its for my autism therapy."

Dont worry my mom called ahead to the guys that own the shop so they know the deal.

>>51284016
Except that you would still have to fucking take Troops on top of Fast Attack bikes. I never implied that you wouldn't take any Troops, just that those bikes would be added to your Troop pool for respawning after the game start.

The new formation is going to get FAQ to the ground thanks to marines fucking up the fun.

Like usual

>>51284004
You could always put him on a bike too and have a sweet bikestar unit. Overall I think you dumped too many points on your HQs in general. Those are points you could be putting into more bikes or enough troops to make an icon worth it.

>>51284032

Yeah, that was my plan. Just save these for later, once I get confident in my skills. I don't want to chance fucking them up.

RAVENGUARD/RAPTORS/INQUISITION 2000pts

**PINON BATTLE COMPANY** (770)

Captain-(210)
-chapter master, jump pack, swiftstrike and murder, digital weapon

Tactical Squad-(80)
-melta

Tactical Squad-(80)
-melta

Tactical Squad-(80)
-melta

Assault Squad x9-(126)

Devestator squad-(135)
-4 missle launcher, armorium cherub

Scout squad-(59)
-4 sniper

**SHADOWSTRIKE KILL TEAM** (440)

Scout Squad-(65)
-camo cloaks

Scout Squad-(65)
-camo cloaks

Vanguard Veteran Squad-(155)
-jump packs, 4 power weapon, 1 stormshield, 1 powerfist

Vanguard Veteran Squad-(155)
-jump packs, 4 power weapon, 1 stormshield, 1 powerfist

**SKYHAMMER ORBITAL STRIKE FORCE** (405)

Tactical Squad-(85)
-plasma gun
Drop Pod-(35)

Tactical Squad-(85)
-plasma gun
Drop Pod-(35)

Tactical Squad-(85)
-plasma gun
Drop Pod-(35)

Land Speeder-(45)

**ALLIED DETACHMENT** (285)

HQ
Lias Issodon-(175)

TR
Scout Squad x10-(110)

**INQUISITIONAL DETACHMENT** (100)

HQ
Inquisitor Coteaz-(100)

>I thought this would be a fun list to play with or against, would you play it?

>>51283901
This is may be how it works as strange as it sounds. Theres no order of operations when you make lists.

You take a space marine Captain, give him a bike. He makes bikes troops. But you want the crusade formation, bikes aren't available as troops to choose from. Which is weird. When you take codex space marines you essentially have a list of units you can as well, just not fancy like the second page of the wrathful things. However things like the Battle Demi Company dont switch bikes to the available troops selection.

So you take 4 units of whatever and however many bikes as FA. The SM Captain Mounted Assault rule isnt optional. So the bikes were selected as fast attack but are either converted to troops or become both. Either way they become eligible to respawn.

This is what happens when you dont have a core structure of rules for such things.

>>51284022
Well, that's a fair enough thing. I thought you were using standard Space Marines. If your unit is more of a punchy unit, then go for it. I've never used an LC on my Sword Brothers, but they seem like a good alternative. Especially if you give them a combi-gun of some sort so they can't get a pistol bonus anyways.

>>51284085
Its decent, nothing crazy, nothing terrible. could do with more AT

>>51284090
You'd better tell that to people taking bikes as their core troop choices then.

>>51283972
You can buy DT you idiot. It says so in the datasheets.

Just show me the bike datasheet where it says they are troop. The bike sheet. Since the rules of th castellan makes reference to the units datasheets and the rules within those.

Maybe you can abuse the rules to get respawning bikes like some Tau fag. But then again why bother with making a list of shit you can take if you are just going to ignore it

>>51284124
For things like the Battle Demi Company?

>>51284144
For a CAD.