Age of Sigmar General ! /aosg/

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We must build the wall

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ELVES OUT OF GHYRAN
REMOVE KNIFEEAR
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>>51202702
And you're gonna pay for it, corpse-thing.

>>51202702
>>51202725
How many shit posts do we have to have at the start of a thread before meaningful discussion begins?

>>51202762
I'll start, where can you find the point costs for the new Tzeentch models? Either I'm blind, or they're not on the battlescrolls. Are they somewhere in the book or are they basically unplayable in matched play until GHB2?

>>51202762
>the wall isnt meaningful discussion
Youll be sorry when the birds come....

>>51202784
>GHB2
GW announced v2.0 already?

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>>51202762
>meaningful discussion
>AoS



Chaos dwarf Fireglaives > Handgunners lmao xdd
Elf wizard guy < Gaunt-summoner ELFFAGS BTFO

>>51202820
They said theyre working on it and asked people for feedback

We don't know anything else

>>51202762
You can have another meaningful discussion when the ELVES ARE FERTILIZER!

>>51202764

See >>51201528

>>51202829
>and asked people for feedback
I started to like new GW when they released Sylvaneth and GHB and I'm still positively suprised

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>Tzaangors 10-30 180 Battleline

So, let's talk about the new stuff a little. Because while the new Tzaangors have a nasty potential the pricetag seems kinda high.
How would you guys use these? Blobs of 20 seem solid.

>>51202912
Between these lads having a +5 save and Marauders getting a +6 (which can become a +5 if they take shields. I just wish that Bloodreavers had +6 at least.

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>Lord of Change (Leader, Behemot) - 300pts
Sword and Claws are nice enough, but the Rod of Sorcery is a clear winner for me.

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>Tzaangor Enlightened 3-9 160pts
Guided by the Past is an amazing piece of psychological warfare, but I don't think a Tzaangor Shaman really wants to follow them into melee, even with Infusion Arcanum.
They cost quite a lot and are fragile as fuck, but they pack a lot of punch and are speedy little shits.

>>51202992
Looking good.
Do you only get the Beak and Talon attacks when you pick Staff of Tzeentch?

What's best minimum investment battleline for a general Destruction army? Ogors? Is a ten man unit of savage orruks or twenty man unit of moonclan worth it?

I really wish 'ardboyz were general battleline.

>>51203094
You always have a staff, and should choose one extra weapon from either talons, sword or rod.

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>Kairos (Leader, Behemot, unique) - 340pts

Boring, even more so with the nerf to Oracle of Eternity and the removal of Secrets and Ciphers.

>>51203179
Do you have a warscroll for Magister? Is this the same old Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord without rules changes?

>>51202912
I'm trying to think if it would ever be worth trying to have like 30 of these to max the full Savagery bonus?

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>Kairic Acolytes 10-40 140 Battleline
Pricey for ten marauder-tier fuckers. They are pretty decent, but the cost is rather high. Not entirely convinced.

>>51203250
Same rules as the Sorc Lord of Tzeentch, yeah. He's 120pts and counts as a Leader.

>>51203286
Considering their weapon ranges, probably not.

Even as a Khorne fanboi this Tzeentch release is tempting. If that's the new standard I can't fucking wait for Slaanesh and the Shadow Aelfs.

>>51203288
Theyre like Marauders but better. If they didnt have a shooting attack they would be 120 points for 10.

140 is actually a fair cost

Can I have a Chaos Sorcerer Lord with the Mark of Tzeentch in this army? I heard Slaves to Darkness models aligned to Tzeentch are good to go?

>>51203311
Yeah, think you're right. If they could take spears like their Enlightened Brethren, maybe, but as is, don't think it works.

Bull centaur execution herd+ a demonsmith worth buying for a 1k army? I love the way they look!

>>51203369
Yep, and all other Slaves of Darkness models with Mark of Tzeentch work too.

I'm sort of bummed there seems to be less synergy with keyworded units compared to the Khorne army.

>>51203288
>>51202964
Realised that these were the guys I should have been referring to.

>>51203352
Know what you mean. I have a decent amount of Bloodbound and Slaves, so I wouldn't mind getting some of this to add to my overall Chaos collection.

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>>51203250
These Leaders are all unchanged bar some name and keyword changes:
Magister (Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch) - 120pts
Fatemaster (Lord of Tzeentch on disc) - 140pts
Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (Curseling, Lord of Tzeentch) - 140pts
Ogroid Thaumathurge - 160pts
Blue Scribes - 120pts
Changeling - 140pts

Gaunt Summoner (lost his familiars, but is otherwise the same) - 120pts

>>51203447
What about the Gaunt Summoner on Disc? Is he only for Archaon?

>>51203366
>Marauders are 60 for ten
>Bloodreavers are 60 for ten
>Acolythes are 140 for ten
Uh-huh, that seems logical.

>>51203473
He's not listed under Tzeentch stuff, though he has the keyword.

>>51203491
They have an 18" range attack, bruh.

>>51203491
Compare them to something like Saurus Warriors

>>51202850
Please tell me the points are also in the physical book somewhere, I don't want to constantly switch between that clunky app and the book every time I build a list.

Why can't they just put point costs on the warscrolls? Plenty of space on the things.

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>>51203545
Yep and with a Tzeentch Wizard nearby 18"/4+/4+ is actually quite nice for a multipurpose unit.

I like their masks. The Bird motive was so under used with Tzeentch. Glad it's coming back.

>>51203586
hhhnnnggg

Pre-orders are up on Games Workshop.

>>51203610
I'm thinking I'm going to repurpose my Roman Khorne idea to instead make Roman Tzeentch. Like a Tzeentch-worshiping Republic with a convoluted political system of voting that is all about intrigue and also highly religious and trapped up in ritual and rites. Mix some 28mm Roman miniature parts with the others.

>>51203545
Yes, so? Spireguard has a similar ranged attack (bar 2" range), +1" melee range, better Save, way better Bravery, a arguably better shield, rerollable run and charge distances, Battleshock resistance, a size bonus and a smaller footprint. They cost 120pts and are generally considered slightly overcosted.

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>>51203649
You can almost taste the autism.

>>51203586
Nice.
Seeing this I just wish GW will not forget about Galrauch. He could use a new plastic incarnation as well as a couple more Wounds.

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>>51203586
That is gorgeous. It's a shame his new profile is boring as sin and way overcosted.

>>51203574
Also very neat. The Changeling has long been my favorite choice for annoying the shit out of my opponents.

>>51203673
People that enjoy their hobby are autistic?
Why are you here?

Lord of change Staff + rod 300
Gaunt summoner 120
Changeling 140
Ogroid thaumaturge 160
20x tzaangors (probably 2x handweapons with as many of those greatblades as possible) 360
20x tzaangors (probably 2x handweapons with as many of those greatblades as possible) 360
10x acolytes 140
3x Tzaangor enlightened on disc 180
3x Tzaangor enlightened on disc 180
total 1940
just looking at these warscrolls i was wondering if something like this would work, probably character heavy.

>>51203677
He's dead, Jim.

>>51203667
Not sure how to use those guys, to be honest. Any serious attack will send them reeling and as nice as their melee is, they need to survive first.

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>>51203649
I hate Khorne with all my soul, but even I can't stand a Chaos Brother betraying his patron God.

Even if that God is Khorne.

>>51203574
I can see this model being converted and finding his way into alot of different armies

>>51203700
>way overcosted.
I wouldn't worry too much about points costs right now. GHB 2.0 is coming and I'm sure they got a lot of feedback already. GW is as new to the game as we are but with more time comes more experience.
I'd be completely fine with them updating rules/pts every year or so to adjust/buff/nerf stuff.

>>51203749
Since when can Daemons die?

>>51203735
Or maybe just wait to see the Battalions inside.

>>51203677
Well, whilst reading The Eldritch Fortress part of Warstorm, the father of the stardrakes did mention something about how one of his sons fell to Tzeentch's whispers. Maybe he will turn up at some point.

>>51203803
Yeah you're probably right.

But gotta get those tzaangors in there

>>51203673
...I really do not understand this statement at all, in this context.

>>51203750
To be fair, I've always been a Tzeentch person. Khorne is the second favorite, but Tzeentch wasn't good at the time, and certain things got in the way of me starting the Khorne army when I was going to.

>>51203778
They always could, it was just very, very difficult.

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>>51203586
How am I supposed to recognise the head that sees the future with the one that sees the past without the cloth now?

>>51202672
Does anyone have this image without the text?

>>51203735
Tzeentch armies will probably always be character-heavy; it's in their very nature, so that's fine.
I am unconvinced by the Enlightened. They are a huge gamble. If the opponent activates in their vicinity, so you'd get Guided by the Past, chances are they will be stomped into the dirt in a hurry. And if the enemy doesn't, their melee is kinda lacking.
I'd probably ditch at least one squad in favor of adding another ten guys to the Acolythes and using the last 100 pts for some shenanigans.

>>51203879
I feel they could work with the archers. If they both charge a unit either way the opponent is screwed.

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>>51203867

>>51203899
Thank you!

>>51203879
Yeah that sounds good, i'll probably wait to see what kind of batalion formation i could fit in there for some extra effects.

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>>51203827
>Khorne is the second favorite, but Tzeentch wasn't good at the time
That's not how it works.

You choose you Patron, and you stick with it forever, in the good and in the bad weather.

It won't be shitty rules to stop me from making the army I want.

>>51203409
yes.

>>51203954
I scheme. It is my nature.

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>>51203954
>just finished my khorne
>plan to worship all four instead

>>51203735
Spending more than 800 points on battleline units looks like the worst idea ever.

>>51203996
This is acceptable.

Praise the Dark Gods!

>>51203803
beside the tallyband of nurgle, kunnin ruk and deadwatch, most of the time taking a bataillon = loosing

>>51204022
Really? I must admit i'm not the most knowledgable about AoS but don't you need quite a few battle line units in general?

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>>51204027
>Praise the Dark Gods!
Praise "all" the Dark Gods indeed.

>>51203954
>Really like pile/livid color schemes on neat Nurgle models
>No battletome or codex for Papa and his children
I-It's so hard to stay with only one, Anon _____ ;_; __

>>51204022
I would happily field 800pts of Blood Warriors.

>>51204022
They are pretty good battleline units though.

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>>51204038
>beside the tallyband of nurgle, kunnin ruk and deadwatch
What about ironfist?

>>51204062
it depends. in some armies like Freeguild, the buffs are really strong and you can tend to take more battleline, it can be also the case in armies where battleline that grow in numbers win GREAT advantages (look up the handgunner and freeguild guard to see what i mean)

Battleline are crucial for some scenario, ut 860 points is a little much, especially sonce you could fit some summoning easily in a tzeentch army.
I may be wrong because the book isnt out yet that why i said "looks like" but looking at the list I would add something like a burning chariot or something.

>>51204084
You are talking to a Slaaneshi.

My God could be killed anytime or simply left as it is and forgotten.

I don't care, it won't stop me.
I love Slaanesh and I love my army.

>>51204126
>I forgot the bataillon for the army I play
I guess I am not rfficient before 7am

>>51204038
Sylvaneth have pretty good battalions. Gnarlwood, Dreadwood, Free Spirits and the one with the order unit are all good.

>>51204143
Yeah that makes sense. I'll probably wait 'til the rulebook is out before i decide on any actual armylist, was mainly just throwing about the models i liked the look of and trying to put them in the same army.

>>51204084
He is already the top dog in most tournament. if anything a battletome will weaken them

>>51203673
This is the most autistic post I have read today on 4chan.

>>51204193
>He is already the top dog in most tournament
But I'm casual player running a budget Skaven army - I care more about fluff and lore than tournament competitiveness

>>51204189
not him but even of they are "pretty good" ive never seen them used, because most sylvaneth armies end up with gladeguards and hurricanum anyway

>>51204252
How are the two things correlated?

>>51204404
try taking a bataillon in a 2k list woth with 640 to 960 points of hurricanum and 360 points of glade guard...
Thats what sylvaneth player field here

>>51204022
As an Ironjaws player I assure you bringing a lot of battle-line isn't bad.

>>51203649
It can end up in a good fluff piece honestly

>>51204463
That's not a Sylvaneth army dude. That's an order army with some sylvaneth unit.

Pre Orders of battletome sold out REEEEEEEEEE

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I was kinda unimoressed by the book until it got confirmed TO CONTAIN EVERY SINGLE TZEENTCH DEAMONS.

I need a FLYING CIRCUS army

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>>51202672
Rate my lore, duders.

>Free Kingdom of Cascadin
A mountainous and forested kingdom that is less a grand fief and more a collection of villages focusing around a few larger cities and the King's capital. Thus far the royal family has been harsh in justice, but fair and kind otherwise; their subjects are more a collection of allied tribes who refuse to leave each other hanging in times of need.

The mountains of Cascadin are rich in iron, timber, and the materials for black powder. An artistic but martial culture, everyone grows up with song, painting, firearms, and some knife- and axe-focused survival techniques, allowing for an effective tribal militia of gunners and skirmishers in every village. The cities house the few Regular units of gunners, guard, artillery, and dragoons.

The recent arrival of the Slann Kehr'met on the Kingdom's highest peak has given King Loved By Hawk some pause. The Slann has yet to show any desire to harm his subjects--in fact, he helped with a short-lived famine, and offers Cascadin protection from invading forces--and his request for the mountain-top is fair enough for the good luck the superstitious Cascadin natives consider him.

>Starhost of Kehr'met the Younger
One of the youngest Slann to survive the End Times, Kehr'met decided that in order to center himself and find where he best fits into the Great Plan, he needs must start small. In this regard, he has a great respect for the tribesmen of the Sedor Mountains; and little do they know they sit upon a Realmgates crossroad; Kehr'met takes it upon himself to guard this crossroad as best he can. As such, his role as Cascadin's protector is something he takes quite seriously; the beginnings of his dedication to Order.

My Slann lore is thin, but my two favorite factions are Empire/Free Peoples and Lizardmen/Seraphon units; I always thought they were neat. The FP are my main force, while Kehr'met comes out for the huge games or games where Realmgates are the focus.

>>51204528
then no one around me plays sylvaneth at all i guess

>>51204481
It's not like you have a broad selection of non-battleline units
I fucking love Ironjawz

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>>51204575
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GUIIIIIILLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDD

>>51204481
everything is battelline tho

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>>51204575
>Mfw someone is dishonoring my great race and enslaved by a frog

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>>51204659
>enslaved
What? It's a partnership, mang. Kehr'met doesn't involve himself in their politics in any way. They traded him a mountain-top after he helped with a famine, cos fuck it, no one's using the land.

What kind of mortal units do you think will combo well with the army? I get that Tzeentch Keyword....

Would Gorebeast Chariots, Chaos Knights and Chaos Warriors work to be a bit tankier?

The new Tzaangors look kind of nasty. Kairic acolytes look cool, but I am not sure they are worth the points.

>>51204704
they were worth it at 60 and balanced at 100. I would make then 120 at best but yeah 140....

I'll include 2x5 Tzeentch chaos knight with glaive in my army, gorebeast a little slow for the circus that is tzeentch

>>51204697
>The Slann has yet to show any desire to harm his subjects--in fact
>to harm his subjects
>his subjects

I would love to do a business partnership with you IRL honestly

>>51204697
what is your seraphon set up?
Also, I have met a bit of misfortune with a couple of finecast models, does anyone have tips/tricks regarding the care for your finecast? I have some chameleon skinks, and two of them had their blow pipes break off.

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>>51202784
Here are some.

>>51204803
His subjects as in Loved By Hawk's. That's a grammatical error.

>>51204806
Not a lot of minis, honestly. Old-Blood model that can act as a lot of different leaders/heroes, an Eternity Warden, ten Temple Guard, twenty in-progress Saurus, and some skinks I have yet to open.

>>51204785
The only nice thing is the 18" range for the acolytes. I sort of agree about the Gorebeast Chariots, though they could be nasty cleanup. I'm not sure what battle lines to take. Perhaps 2x Tzaangors 1x Kairic is the way to go. Alternately, Pink Horrors might end up being useful with the new Tzeentch spells. Chaos Warriors I suspect are too expensive and slow

What about grand alliances destruction book? Where is this?

>>51204845
>>51204806
And the one Slann, obviously. Don't know why I didn't include that.

Really digging these Tzaangors, i kind of want to paint them just like regular beastmen a brown colour with the beaks like a typical golden eagle yellow type colour. Might look shit ive no idea.

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>>51203694
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>>51204872
thats cool, I have some unfinished skinks, along with some knights, warriors, the aforementioned chameleon skinks, a bastiladon, unopened saurus guard, with eternity warden, astrolith bearer, skink starpriest, sunblood, and kroak. Also a malus darkblade.

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>>51202912
wow those tzaangors looks so good..
>180 points
hum well i guess than in some case...
>1" range

>>51204038
>playing Brets without a battalion

>>51204851
bump

Post what you want in the new GHB 2.0
1.) Unmodifiable saves for Daemons.
2.) Mortal wound dealing is much less common
3.) Make Stormfiends 150 ppm (and I say this as a Clan Skyre player.)

>>51205022
Yeah wtf is that 1" range. its like they beg to be outclassed by anything with a spear

>>51205306
i want you to literally BTFO.
They will never make deamon ethereal, stop being salty about thundertusk, and no you are clearly not a skyre player.

>>51205278
Nowhere - don't listen "hurr they are on the app for free durr" fags, because it is not a true

>>51205306
>I want chaos to be OP
>Dealing against them to be much harder
>I will trade something i don't use for it

>>51205278
I mean you can try on 1d4chan - factions have these battalions on their pages https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Age_of_Sigmar/Tactics/Edition_1.1/Nurgle_Rotbringers

>>51203694
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>>51203574
God Fucking damn it GW...i sit with less than 20 models on my desk to completely clear my backlog and you start releasing amazing shit! i was so close...and my bank account is going to scream at me...

>>51205306
- Daemons don't need that, and I say that as a Tzeentch player
- Okay, but how to deal with shit like seraphon then?
- Sensible, there are some things that need adjusting.
I'd love to see a lessening of the summoning restrictions, but that's not gonna happen, or at least I can't see how without opening the floodgates for all kinds of bullshit. Same goes for the 'each spell only once a turn' thing.
More realistically, some more battlelines for various sub-factions would be neat, e.g. Dracothian Guard for Chamber Extremis or Gargants for Aleguzzler Gargants.

>>51205306
- some point adjustments here and there
- rebalanced relics and traits
- spells and arcane artefacts for all Grand Alliances
- some more flexible battleline choices
- a buff to summoning (but that's not going to happen)

>>51205559
I know that feel. Planning on a binge paint tomorrow to clear up a lot of the backlog... I've been tempted to dip into AoS, and I know I'm gonna start a Tzeentch army now,.

>>51203083
> strong but has a weakness
This is known as 'balance'.
Rare for GW games outside Blood bowl. But AoS is making moves in the right direction

>>51203673
Here is your (you).
Now fuck off and die

>>51204481
As a fellow ironjaws player...
We need a new fucking book

>>51204575
> slann is literally named Kermit the fucking frog
This ain't blood bowl sunny Jim.
2/10

>>51205900
As yet another Ironjawz player...Why? The destruction allegiance trait is treating us very well and the command traits and relics are overall great.

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>>51205927
Was wondering when someone would notice.

>>51205979
FWIW, I keked. AoS is much more tongue in cheek. Feel free to own it.

>>51205959
I want to be able to mix in other stuff WITH ironjaws. I want a discount on maw crusha. And Gordrak. I want hardboys battleline. Also wierd nob cast TWO spells.

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>>51206129
>I want hardboys battleline
But ardboys are battleline, Anon

>>51206129
You can mix, just need to mix in some gobbos as battleline as well.
- Don't need a new book for a discount on anything. And the mawcusha boss is well-costed. Gordrakk probably could do with a 100pts discount though.
- 'ardboys are battleline.
- The shaman already has two unique spells, that's plenty.

What would be a good fluffy backstory for having Kroak(or generic dead Slann), in AoS?

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Why does he have such shit rules, /tg/? He looks so fucking good..

People who write up extensive backstories for their armies, do you expect the rest of us to read it or give a shit?

I want to play a game, not read your lame fan fiction.

>>51206506
Yeah he got kinda fucked. That said, having a Kairos in every WAAC list was a bit much.

>>51206506
>he isnt a broken autoinclude tier anymore therefore its shit.

sucks to be in a waacgroup I suppose

>>51206520
i read them tho, just dont click if you dont want to read. if you want to just play the game then play it instead of comming on/tg/ which is literraly only reading abour AoS

>>51206520
You sound like such a faggot, I bet you use lego pieces as proxies and expect friends to take you seriously.

>>51206585
lego are expensive, he probably use paper roughly cutted in the right size with name on them

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>>51206535
There is a difference between being broken autoinclude and being strictly inferior to your cheaper generic version in literally all regards.

>>51206585
Yep, you're exactly right. I use legos as proxies.

Do you think I can sneak a Gorebeast Chariot into a Tzeentch list, or is it just too slow? I love the model too much... Maybe I should just paint one for display only.

>>51206520
Well, can't speak for the rest here, but I read them all. They are often reasonably interesting (and curiously often avoid the usual pitfalls of such things), giving insight on how other people view the setting.

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>>51206631
>Mark of Chaos
Gee, I wonder...

>>51206631
While I don't think the hulking bastard and the hefty chariot fits with the rest of the army visually, there is nothing stopping you from giving it the Tzeentch keyword and bringing it along. Might even be useful for semi-heavy shock-assault

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Are start collecting battalions tournament legal? I thought about running two Glugurous' Plaguebands

>>51206793
if it has a pointcost then yes

>>51206704
I know I can faggot, I mean as an efficient part of a tzeentch army.

>>51206620
well, yeah thats why you whine in the first place

>>51206813
Oh, it has none
Well, then fuck me and my poorfag nurgle plan

Do you prefer AoS to 40k? If so, why? If not, why not?

For me, the gameplay is just much smoother and I like how Stormcasts are huge, sort of how people model true scale Space Marines.
I also really like how war scrolls eliminate the need to constantly refer back to a codex or rulebook.

I really like battleshock and mortal wounds as game mechanics. 40k could learn from mortal wounds instead of having AP values.
There also don't appear to be any "overpowered" units or armies, everything can be countered.

>>51206848
if you are poor add 2x5 chaosknight (its like 32€ for a box of 10 online) and any leader and you have 1k points

>>51206891
I like the fact that GW had slime down the rules. Sometimes they look too simply but AoS is not the same type of game as 40k so it's hard to rate them. It's like asking which mean of transport is better - bike or aircraft carrier? But I'm prefering AoS - maybe 8e will make 40k more newbie friendly, dynamic and logistically friendly

>>51206129
Also gore grunta get D3 damage on charges no matter what

>>51206438
But he can only CAST one a turn.

>>51205335
Yes I am? I have 40 Acolytes, 9 Stormfiends, 4 WLC, 3 Warlocks and A Ikit. And who the fuck said I was salty about Thundertusks? I just drill near them and light them the fuck up with Gautfyre Skorch
>>51205448
That's a fair point, I just feel like a 5++ would be usable, that can never get Mystic Shielded.

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>>51207078
No, give gore gruntas 28" move and 8d6 mortal wound for each inch they moved in this turn.


Megaboss on MawCrusha rebalanced at 50 points for a squad of 5 and and you get 10 squads of arboys per 100 points of your army for free.


Arboys are also now sorcerer and each model as acces to every spell in the game and override the rules of "A spell can only be cast once per turn"

Each time any Ironjaws model dies it spawn 23 Behemot squigs and 12 Magma dragons, and the spore from killing each models inflict 100d6 mortal wound on every enemy model on the table.
Each model killed this way also become Bonegrinder Giant part of the Ironjaws army

>>51207237
Hive Tyrants, remember about Hive Tyrants

>>51207283
Have we gotten warscrolls for these yet? I've seen all the others.

>>51207295
Now I regret that Age Of Slam didn't go anywhere. The middle blue horror would look perfect with a basketball.

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>>51207325
A while back, but for some reason they aren't in the app yet, so no points for them.

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So Age of Sigmar has been around for a while now and I'm still wondering whether I should wait longer for shadow elves of Malerion and Morathi or just start with Death. They can't be that far away.... I said that a year ago and it's still nothing. Silver Tower elves doesn't really count.

>>51207592
wait until march or april - if GW didn't announce them after dwarfs release, then go with death

>>51207592
Apparently that new book is going to feature the aelf pirates, so that might hint at an update... somewhere along the year. Maybe.

>>51207438
Holy fuck those look good.

>>51207592
Stramhead and freeguild are next. Order will then have 9 battletome and chaos 5, destruction 2 and death ONE.
So dont expect anything order related before 2 more years, especially since we enter 40k endtimes

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>>51207652
Six with a Shaman would do plenty of damage, yeah. Hitting on 3+ and proccing Judgement from Afar on a 5+ is a natural and easy combo.

>>51207625
>>51207630
>>51207685
I'm just a fan of Morathi, she pretty much was the main villain in the old Warhammer, the Sundering, War of the Beard, Nagash, all because of her. Then Khaine stuff during The End Times. And she's still around. I want her.

I kinda regret selling my all Dark Elves around.... what was it called? Storm of Magic? Happened during 7th edition IIRC, there were those fancy magic pillars released, also plastic Sorceress, Black Dragon, Chaos Manticore and something....

In Death I just like few stuff. Arkhan (I really like this character), Coven Throne (always loved the model) and some skellies, grave guard and black knights. Also that Krell model, however he's called now, Wight Lord or something.

I've been thinking. Do Chaos non-Slaaneshi devotees still practice sex for reprouction? Or do they just focus on converts to maintain their society in order to avoid dipping into a realm outside of their deity?

Then again, I suppose it would be somewhat equal to the bloodshed carried out by non-Khornates. It's done because it has to be, even if it's not ideal.

>>51207364
Hrrrrmmmmmmm

Also good with a football...... ;)

>>51207849
If you like Death models just pick them and have fun, Anon - you can always sell your stuff one more time and buy new Dark Elves if there will be release

>>51207237
So take some reasonable suggestions from me, and instead of offering better suggestuons, or actual criticism, be an autist faggot.
And here I had a silly hope AoS could last 3 years before having the same clientele as 40k...

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Should Ironjawz be a pure melee faction or maybe some range units like stone-thrower or something like this would be an interesting addition?

>>51208617
Some ranged weapons would be nice, but breaking Ironjawz allegiance is not worth it.
Maybe when we get a faction update (in a couple of years) we'll see something like spear-throwing brutes or maybe even 'Ard Boyz with primitive blackpowder weapons.

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>>51208703
Orruks with slingshot in GHB2 would be nice

>>51208811
...why the fuck would they be in the GHB?

>>51208830
Fug, I mean second battletome or other update - time to sleep

>>51208188
not him but your demand are ridiculous, Ironjaw are in the top right now and 30+ factions still have no battletome. Just ally any monster form monstrous arcanum and win 80% of your games, you want them to be literally best at eveything

>>51202912
These are perfect for escorting a Thaumaturge into melee. The Ogroid can lob fireballs over their heads while being protected from melee threads until he is where he wants to be. Meanwhile the Tzaangors benefit from his presence through Anarchy & Mayhem.
Allegiance spells and relics might make this even more interesting.

>>51208978
The only thing is that the spells which set up pink horrors aren't so good in matched. Allegiance spells might change this.

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>>51209002
Eh, its fireblast is still a d6 mortal wounds spell on a reasonable 7+ cast.
But, yeah, allegiance will be interesting. Infusion Arcanum makes for a neat fallback in case the rest is garbage.

>>51208960
Not him either, but I would like to at least see the next GHB make 'ardboyz unconditional battleline rather than ironjawz allegiance only.

>>51207039
What about mixing Nurgle SC with other SC instead of buying two same SC boxes? Does it even make sense? I mean - will any other box compensate me the loss of synergy?

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>>51209002
You can still use it without any reserves, as the spell says you *can* set up a unit, not that you have to. And, honestly, without the summoning the spell is just a variant of Arcane Bolt, trading ease of casting for more oomph.

>>51209086
That seems reasonable.

>>51206891
30k > AoS >>>>> 40k

Gameplay in all 3 is good, but faction balance and rules bloat make 40k a fucking nightmare to play. I havent had an enjoyable 40k game in months. Its always some sick new faction with some rediculous abilitty.

>>51209160
You could pick Slaves of Darkness, use Mark of Chaos they all have to give them Nurgle keyword and you're good to go.
Or you could get Clan Pestilens. They also have the Nurgle keyword.
There is no Rotbringers starter as of yet, but that's just a matter of time.
Plenty of options.

Does anyone have the points for Skyfires?

>>51209529
Not on the app, for some reason. Guesses range from 160 to 200, but nothing solid.

>>51208960
.... you...you don't actually play do you?
Ironjaws have zero ranged, and next to no wizards, and only two units that can do mortal wounds.
In what world is that on Beastclaw, or arrow boy, or any other magic heavy army. Ironjaws hit like a truck, but can't take damage, especially on brutes, your premier damage unit, as we have shit bravery. All of our bluffs don't even last the full turn- they stop after our combat phase.
Ironjaws are a one trick pony. It works the first time against someone new, but the counters are fucking obvious after you see it once.

>>51209939
I played more tournament that you played games faggot, you obviously dont know how to play the game or the fluff if you ask for.
I play Ironjaw with 2 behemot squig and stomp anything, in Aos most faction can't play for themselves you have to ally them.

Just look at the elves factions by themselves or even the grots,
Come back in 5 years when we got 30 battletome

>>51207295
What are those little fire sprite dudes?

>>51205306
>unrendable seraphon

Yeah that doesnt sound retarded at all

>>51210231
Brimstone horrors, where you been hiding mang?

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When the hell did they make these rules?

What other goodies have I missed?

>>51210306
Cheers.

Just getting back into the AOS scene. Waiting for updated Empire free peoples rules.

Have they updated the points of any Tzeentch daemons yet? People use to say the Flamers were overcosted at 200.

>>51210625
Oooh buffed Flamers would be nassssty. Apparently every Tzeentch demon is in the battle time so who knows

>>51210467
A few weeks ago. But they are just bigger version of the already existing Greater Daemons, with nothing interesting about them.

Also, no points cost.

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Is that Tzeentch in the background? Because if so that's the best depiction yet.

>>51210729
No, this is the Incredible Eyedick, God of Metal

>>51210677
Looking at it that's kinda shitty. Definitely not worthy of the price tags on those Daemons.

So Slaanesh is next for release, right? RIGHT?!

>>51203807
That's Argentine, the Silver Wyrm.

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>>51209229
>You could pick Slaves of Darkness, use Mark of Chaos they all have to give them Nurgle keyword and you're good to go
Painting SoD Nurgle would be a lot of fun.

Please forgive me if my questions would be obvious or naive for you but I'm a greenhorn.
The mainly playing format at my LGS is 1000pts vanguard so will be my list. I want to keep it as cheap as possible - don't want to play competitively, just "advanced" casual so my budget is something like ~two and a half of SC boxes.

I wanted to smuggle a Rotbringers Sorcerer and Lord of Plagues (both are cheap by cash and pts and look great) on the list but only the first one has partial synergy with daemons units as a chaos wizard. Sadly, both are not triggering any "Daemon Hero of Nurgle" abilities of daemons. So basically, I have to choose between Daemons or Mortlas to run something viable, yup? That's why I asked about mixing boxes - I'm not sure if running mixed army is a good idea for a newbie like me

Seems like quite a few leaks are out now. Not sure if anyone has anything on this yet, but is there an in-lore justification for Vilitch's model getting turned into a generic "Curseling" character, like maybe a reference to Vilitch being the first of his kind? Or is it just another forced retcon to try and fit an old WHFB model into AoSverse?

>>51203707
It's 4chan. "Autistic" and "cuck" are just the meme-insults of the day. People will get bored with them eventually.

>>51207235
That paint job's boss. Much nicer than the colours on 'Eavy Metal's generic LoC build: >>51206620

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>No Audiobook

REEEEEE.jpg

>>51211259
MEGA upload of epub file when?

>>51210933
Eh...

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Just played my first game with Tomb Kings

>mfw Settra charged and killed a squad of 4 dracoth riders with only his blessed blade of ptra

So I have the Skaven contents of two of the Spire of Dawn boxes.

What to do with all the extra square bases?

So far my best idea is glue them together into some sort of monstrosity of a building for terrain.

>>51210485
You will be waiting for a long, long time.

There haven't even been rumours of them getting an update, and we still haven't got the updates for all the armies that have reliable rumours yet.

>>51203841
anyone else amused by the similarities between fateweaver and the Aquila of the Emperor?

>>51203841

It looks like the heads are slightly different.

>>51202672

So if I'm using an army of order (Freeguild) can I just throw down some Stormcasts to use alongside them?

I wanna get one of the small boxes of Storms and convert em into samurai dudes. Idk, I like the idea that Sigmar took some dudes from Nippon and transformed them into their own order thing. I think it'd be cool. (Gotta do something about the heads though, I hate stormcast helmets)

>>51211259

God I can't wait. Muh political intrigue.

>>51211915
rumor engine man + fluff ...

>>51208188
>And here I had a silly hope AoS could last 3 years before having the same clientele as 40k...

>AoS
>Poster-children from one day the 'totally not space marines guise' Stormcast
>Not attracting the 40k crowd

You're retarded and your suggestions were bad.

ITT : guys with complete new plastic army with battletome that sell by the fuckton want a complete overhaul a few months after because their army isnt dominating every tournament and every phase..

meanwhile for elves..

>>51210978
cheap chaos army = 2 box of chaos knighr + deamon prince

>>51210241
it was a """"""clever"""""" troll all along

>>51212122
Definitely, though the stormcasts will be on their own in terms of synergy. But maybe you can tinker around with it and make something thatll make that work. I always thought stormcast should be supporting free guild. To beat back chaos, you have the races of the World That Was fighting, but this time fully backed by Sigmar with lightning precision attacks from the Stormcasts.

>>51210195
What's the list you bring then? What tourney's have you done? What point levels?

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>>51212864
>Freeguild needing stormcast abhuman
>Freeguild not killing stormcast on sight with their superior mecanism

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Anyone know what happened to the Lady of the Lake during the End Times? Thinking about doing some kind of fluffy thing with her and my Stormcast, if possible.

>>51212998
I dont understand this. Please elaborate.

>>51213011
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Lileath
that bitch was and is still a god and will probably be killed on sight by humans after fucking them over for so long (if its even possible)

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>>51203750
How about the great-glorious horned-horned one???

>>51213118
literraly ascended from low tier god to stronger than slaanesh.
i hope slaanesh just die and GW write the horned rat as one of the big 4.
slaanesh is so unidimensional... "wow much dickboobs muh pleasure wow lol sexslaves much"

>inb4 it's actually the master of art etc.

then why all deamon end up latexfetish tier from the 80's ?

>>51213100
Thank you. My idea may still work.

>>51213255
My thing is, if slaanesh comes back into play, how would it be a viable player? The way they portray the mortal realms, anyone not in the fold of the big boys gets steamrolled, who has time to drive themselves to high levels of excess or dedication to a single thing to catch Slaanesh's attention?

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What do you guys do to help keep you entertained while building/painting? Binging shows/movies, audiobooks, podcasts, etc?

I tend to binge comedies and sci-fi. Burned through all of How I Met Your Mother and Scrubs twice, most of Farscape, Deep Space Nine, a few Jim Carrey movies, and some of pic related on past projects.

Currently going through MST3K again in a more dedicated fashion. God, I love this show.

>>51213536
Audiobooks, or i have battle reports playing in the background to keep me in the build/paint mood.

>>51213494
no one. slaanesh makes no fucking sensr in fantasy honestly, most people are too worry to know if they will be able to eat in the winter to loose time painting and go full murderporn allday for millenia.
Even if it exist it should be a very minor nuisance, not something of the scale of the other 3 chaos gods.

the whole death faction is wasted for rhe chaos gods since they dont frel anything and slaanesh cant get anything from more than half the order factions, and little to nothing from destruction..

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What do you guys' think about GF's sylvaneth theme? Did I do good?

>>51212864

Nice. Though, I think I may grab a box of Fyreslayers instead lol. I forgot I used to be really into dorf slayers back in the day. Do they come in tiny packs or do I need to get a full box?

And yeah, I plan on using the Freeguild more defensively with a gunline and spears and the slayers to just mow through things alongside state swordsmen, reiters and knights while the wizard picks things off from afar.

>>51213736
Icewood? thats looks really neat!
>>51213688
Yeah, they will probably just add Slaanesh to the list of "shit the good guys gotta deal with." But itd be interesting to see them try to come up with a good reason to keep it around.

>>51213755

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Hearthguard-Berzerkers I feel like I may grab this lol. I like the flame morning stars.

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>>51213736
thats really nice, good job

>>51213755
if there is only 1 thing you take from fyreslayer it's auric.
i dont see what role they can fill that freeguild dont tho.
(its still nice for fungames)

>>51213755
Fyreslayers are even more so with the synergy, but damn if they arent powerful.

>>51213255
>slaanesh is so unidimensional... "wow much dickboobs muh pleasure wow lol sexslaves much
You could use the same argument for scrapping Khorne. He's basically "Bloodsecrator Goreblood "Skullblood" Bloodgore loves reaping gory, bloody skulls for the Blood God! Blood for the Blood God!", plus generic red, horned demon dudes.

>then why all deamon end up latexfetish tier from the 80's ?
Because even GW falls victim to uncreative writing and Flanderisation. Same with Khorne, GW always forgets about his history as a god of martial pride and honour (with the single, ironic-as-fuck exception of Kharn the Betrayer, at least in recent Black Library stuff).

>>51202672

What is the average size for a playable army?

Like can I just get a troop, elite and an HQ and go to town or do I need like 3 troops and 2 elites and 1 HQ

>>51207322
I don't know what I think of this, compared with the original. The robe's a bit more ornamental, but it looks a bit flimsy compared with his previous version. Continuing GW's recent trend of releasing plastic kits that will probably need to be repaired a year after you buy them, although it doesn't look quite as fragile as Celestine.

>>51211980
Hah, I never noticed that, but now that you mention it...
Certainly fits with Dark Angels being Chaos Marines and all.

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>>51213736
we paint while looking at critical role

>>51213897
read the ghb

>>51213862
exept you know, most people fight and bleed, which actually make khorne stronger, not much people are into millenium of murderporn

>>51214095
The only way I can see Slaanesh work, is to be like the tyranids. Seed some agents into the desired settlement, when shit gets tough, your cults break out, whole sale converting happens, then you have an empty settlement and they are either absorbed by slaanesh to help regain power, or are turned into daemons to fight and repeat the process. But I can honestly see Slaanesh be more concerned with fighting the other Chaos Gods to restore its spot in the Chaos Realm. Skaven could see Slaanesh as an obstacle as it could offer to the less fortunate members a life not burdened by constant backstabbing and torture/death.

>>51212934
The faggot can't answer because it's all as real as his girlfriend, aka a cum drenched anime girl body pillow

>>51213820

It's more just I like slayers.

Tbh, I still have my old Gotrek fig, I could probs get away with using that instead of goin' out to buy one lol.

>>51204848
Chaos Warriors with mark may be Battle Line too?

>>51214199
>projecting shitposter

>>51209169
I feel like this guy should have beast as a keyword too.

>>51214095
Sure, but you never mentioned that kind of mass appeal being a factor.

>not much people are into millenium of murderporn
Most people aren't into anything in its most extreme form. Everyone has their vices though, even if they repress them. Overeating, compulsive sex, sexual fetishes and paraphilias, gambling, getting drunk/high... Those are the things that would constitute the bulk of Slaanesh's power source, not the extreme torture/mass-rape/whatever of his/her/its/xir's most dedicated followers.

It's the same with Khorne. He's probably going to be getting more juice from domestic abuse and schoolyard punch-ups than from his dedicated berserkers' campaigns of mass-genocide and daily beheading rituals, but the latter is considered more representative of him because it's his essence in its most concentrated form. You can extend the same to Tzeentch and Nurgle too.

>>51213050
Its just the idiot who is trying to make the fact that handgunners to wound is netter than fireglaives mean something. Ignoring that isn't what mechanism means.

>>51214369
Be real here. Anon made suggestions on what Ironjawz could use. No ranged, no casters, their cav have a stupid requirement on their charge that there can be no enemy units within 8" to get the d3 attacks on the charge nearly all cav don't have this stipulation, and no real mortal wound generation outside of a charge mechanic and a caster who has abilities that will rarely go off.

But how was this responded with? Autistic levels of screaming about nothing the original poster mentioned. Then made some claim of playing Ironjawz and Gigantic Squigs to which I asked what the list was. Did he take 2-3 units of grots or orruks or savage orruks to fulfill the battleline. Cause if you talk shit about someone's suggestions fucking back that shit up and don't just resort to insults like some sort of raging autist.

Wait, can I take chaos barbarians in my freeguild, and say they were humans who had been tainted but now redeemed themselves? Or does it not work that way? I am hella new to the lore still. I am def warming up to the heavy metal noblebrightness of it

(if I can take the marauders what do I use them as in freeguild lol)

>>51214642
The problem with that is as was stated before, there wont be synergy. Free guild will have stuff to better freeguild. Sure, you can absolutely make a fluffy army and do whatever you want, maybe treat them as flagellants? If you take however many barbarians as is, theyd just be a group of barbarians. Also, lore is open ended for you to do exactly what you are doing(there was a nurgle lord turned stormcast, so who is to say that maybe a chaos barbarian saw the light of sigmar and repented?), so there really isnt a bad way, just your way(which hopefully isnt a WAAC way).

>>51214456
>getting drunk fuels Slaanesh

So basically, as long as the duardin exist, Slaanesh has a chance?

>>51214642
You can mix everything within a grand alliance but not 2 grand alliance together in matched play.

you can do whatever you want in narrative and open play tho

What should I be looking for when making a basic Tzeentch list with the new stuff coming out? Probably going to do a 500 point escalation league.

>>51214604
Probably 3x10 savaj orruks like everyone fielding Destructions forces. I mean 300 points for 60wounds and the paints...
Monstrous arcanum + Ironfists look like the magic recipe from all around the world for destruction armies.

I rarely see Ironjaws allegiance army, or any battletomes armies in fact, but most of the time alliances within the big alliances.
Maybe GW want the game to be about allies like 40k is..

because NO bonus in any army is worth giving up sayl or a dreadmaw or an hurricanum..
(Nurgle players are the only ones fielding their army by itself, at least in my experience)

Rules likely wont be updated before the next edition of the battletome, points cost and battlelines will probably be updated in the much awaited GHB2 this year.
So wait and see I guess .

>>51214837
we need the book to really know but i guess taking the minimum amount of the cheapest battleline and changeling + burning chariot will stomp faces at 500 points

>>51214891
I mean it makes sense to do it that way. I agree with the anon who made the suggestions. I want to play pure Ironjawz as I own 3k worth of models, and I want them all in the same theme, but I get it.

I want to start the new Tzeentch Tzaangor stuff but ally with Slaanesh for Daemonettes and Lawnmowers, so I get the idea of each army not being entirely self-sufficient, unless of course you play Sylvaneth.

>Got cocky and stuck my banner on to Chaos Knights model
>It's hella awkard to paint

Lesson learned - if you think it'll be hard to hit with paint, it's probably going to be hard to hit with paint

>>51214891
Oh man dreadmaw are retarded.
I faced ONE, ONE time. I deployed badly and the thing poped up first turn behind my shooters.
I basically surrendered turn 2 when i gave it everything I had and the fucker kept rolling 4+ on the invulnerable.
we both laughed hard then made another game without that I still lost.
Was fun once but I was really unprepared for this shit.

>>51215180
Still i love to face anything from monsteous arcanum, really give the game another spin, and OMO especially with destruction, it fits the theme just perfectly.

I would live them to rerelease and point the marienburg boat.
It was shit in whfb because like most monster you cant go above 10-12 woulds and cannoncs were retarded, but in AoS it would be SO FUCKING NICE (yes i play free guild)

>>51215288
IMO*, Love*. sry phoneposting.

>>51215178
Yeah, at least you only glued 1, not all the army before painting heh

>>51203574
>>51203694

Staff is nice, but I think I prefer the older model for the robes looking a little more unique.

>>51203586
>>51207235

Also think I prefer the old Kairos as well since it appears more wizened.

>>51212237

The free extract was quite interesting.

>>51214056
wrong reply?
>>51213773
>>51213807
Thanks! She was critical, but I think I did the best with what I had

>>51215527
the scheme is solid
the execution is not, unless you really know how to work it drybrushing things that arent fur or bases just doesnt work well

>>51215562
dont you think his basing is very nice tho ? like a notch anove the paint.

>>51215688
the base is quite nice
the model is meh/10

>>51215688
>>51215806
I agree, it's meant for tabletop, and to be a scheme she can reproduce. I don't feel like the base is finished, but if you guys say its good I wont touch it.

>>51215922
Can you take an additional pic of the front and an additional pic of the base ? with black background cloth like a t-shirt or something

>>51212998
>>Freeguild needing stormcast abhuman
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They needed Dwarves and Elves all those years, relying on another superior faction should come naturally...

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>>51216046
yeah, then bed time

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>>51216188
>>51216046
being rushed off since I gotta get up, sorry couldn't do better!

>>51216072
other faggot freeguild needed them, not #mydudes

>>51202912
am i right, that I can't mish-mash weapons in unit? So i have to go full shield or full dual-wield, with banner and horn guy included?

>>51217299
I think so, but you can still equip those guys with the greater cleavers. I think.

>>51217318
da thing is, that I've assembled one box of them already, 3 guys with dual weaps, 4 with shields and musican, banner and big-choppy, so now I have to plan another box properly to make them legal

anyone here DIY their own wyldwoods?

>>51217299
You can. Both acolytes and tzaangors "wield a variety of weapons".

>>51217839
Nice one, blo.

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>>51217494
You're fine, the wording clearly states you can decide on a per-dude basis for Tzaangors.
What I am unsure about is whether you can make a Twistbray into a Mutant, the wording there is rather unclear, though I would tend towards it being possible.

>>51204988
> dat filename

>>51218050
Possible

gonna make a placeholder for 1d4chan for diciples of tzeench tactics
since all of tzeench's daemons have been rolled in should I just change the name of the deamons of tzeench 1.1 page to diciples of tzeench 1.1 and add the new units or make an entirely new 1.2 page?
whatever you choose ill put a link down when im done and people far more qualified than me can add unit analysis

>>51218119
Go for a 1.2

>>51218119
1.2 Disciples of Tzeentch seems the best idea.

>>51218161
>>51218216
KK

Do we have scans of any Grand Alliance books?

>>51218301
Bingo!

But seriously, no. We only have the scan from the lore of the Order book

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>>51218301

>>51218119
>>51218161
>>51218216
>>51218297
DONE

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Age_of_Sigmar/Tactics/Edition_1.2/Disciples_of_Tzeentch

>>51218533
Well done

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Really underwhelmed with leaked Tzeentch stuff so far. Skyfires look great, but everything else is squishy and hideously overpriced.
140 for acolytes with their bravery is awful, they wont's survive anything thrown at them.
I hope that there are some good formations and spells that we haven't seen, cause right now the book looks like it will be "Battletome: Skyfires" (given that they are costed adequately, otherwise it's "Battletome: Overcosted Shit").

>>51218420
>>51218426
I'm trying to decide what faction/alliance/whatever I'm going to play. Seeing all warscrolls in one place is much easier then saving all those warscrolls from the site and opening them all and.... I just want them in a single file. Or one file for each Grand Alliance for that matter.

>>51218647
download the app for your android/apple device

>>51218647
... or you could just choose the faction you like the most in terms of models and lore.
Like you should.

>>51218829
There is nothing wrong with picking a faction based on gameplay.

>>51218571
Hrmm, not sure I'd agree.
Tzaangors and Enlightened seem reasonable for what they bring, as do most of the heroes bar Kairos, who needs a better profile rather than a lower pricetag.
Acolythes are way overcosted though. 100 for 10 would be fine.

what is that thing? terrain or some old model daemon?

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>>51218925
forgot image

>>51218647
Don't listen app shitposters - every GA battalion on app is pay to unlock >>51218703

>>51218829
I pretty much like all of them, maybe not Destruction.... Ok, I loved Night Goblins but I don't know what will happen to them in AoS and if Silver Tower is anything to go by.... Grot Scuttlings are ugly.

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>>51218970
I'm pretty sure that the blue tentacle is from the Chaos Spawn kit.

>>51218873
Yes, there is. If you pick a faction you don't like the look of just because you "like the playstyle", you'll get tired of painting real damn quick. And then you'll be the piece of shit who shoves grey models over a table otherwise full of beautifully painted models.

If you already picked three or four you like the look of and then want to compare their playstyles and if you're too lazy to look at the pdfs from three factions, there's still 1d4chan, which gives you a generally decent idea what which army is about.

>>51218970
In the original ebook Path to Glory, there's a Terrain Guide for "Blasted Wasteland". There they show you how to make this sort of terrain. In short, you stick a bunch of Chaos Spawn bits into a clump of Green Stuff and stick that onto some terrain, then paint it. That's what you're seeing there.

>>51214604
Mah nigga.

>>51219214
That sounds dodgy. What if I get bored playing with my painted minis because I don't like the playstyle?

>>51214604
What I fucking HATE about 40k was the move from "here is one army, it has strengths and weaknesses, so learn hown to best use the former and work around the latter" to "YO DAWG ALLY IN WHATEVER!!!1 IT'S FORGING A NARRATIVE". That shit ruined that game.

>>51219330
I rather like having more options.