Age of Sigmar General ! /aosg/

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How do I properly run 1000 pts Ironjawz?

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I want new armies reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>51188899
Dwarfs are coming Anon, their start collecting is near

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Soulblight supplement when?

I want to run a Bloodletter heavy army.

What are some good ways to buff those little fucks?

>>51188899
This, if you're gonna kill a game to replace it with a new one, let's see some new shit to go with it, a new faction that we haven't seen before. On that note, what brand new faction could gw introduce? They've legit covered almost all the bases for a fantasy world. Off the top of my head I'd say an Asian faction would be cool, or perhaps something Indian style with war elephants and shit

>>51188975
I think it'd be tits if they made a lovecraftian outer realm faction. Like void beasts that have no souls and nothing for chaos to prey on so they terrify everything. They focus on horror and reducing bravery and getting rid of battleshock immunities or buffs.

>>51188975
I want fantasy counterpart for Tyranids

>>51188899
Where wolves?

>>51189009
>>51189076
>>51189084

Why not all three? :^]

>>51188975
>no new factions
>Stormcast, Bloodbound, Ironjawz, Sylvaneth, Fyreslayers, soon Arcanites
Uh-huh.

>>51189009
Chaos has dibs on the incomprehensible horror thing already.

>>51188915
>>51188975
>>51189084
>Soulblight Battletome
>Slaanesh Battletome
>Aelves Battletome
>Undead Battletome
4 easy releases and there's still nothing

>>51188975
Oh come off it, we've had plenty new factions since AoS has come out.

>how about some Asian or Indian stuff
How about no real-world bullshit? Could we do that instead?

>>51188975
Feral humans, who worship Gorkamorka
This is just an excuse to bring back Amazons tbqh, Destruction needs some waifus

>>51189220
>undead battletome
It's called the Grand Alliance: Death. It exists and is the best you'll see for a while, I'd wager.
>soulblight battletome
They got a few choices, so maybe, but their shit is mostly finecast, so I doubt it.
>Slaanesh battletome
Not before the Slaanesh storyline is resolved. Also, they need a overhaul like Tzeentch got, so it'd be a major release.
>Aelves Battletome
Supposedly inbound.

>>51189156
Aren't Ironjawz just Black Orcs?

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>>51189233
Fantasy Diggas? Yes please

>>51189178
Chaos is more 'devil's temptation' than 'incomprehensible horror' though.

>>51189084
in World of Warcraft where you and they belong.

>>51189351
What? It's both.

rate my list /tg/? Be gentle I am but a tender spring flower.

Leaders
Daemon Prince (160)
- Flying with Axe
- Artefact: Chaos Runeblade
Daemonsmith (100)
- Pyre Rune Staff
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Chaos Lord On Manticore (300)
- General
- Blade & Lance
- Trait: Great Destroyer
- Artefact: Chaos Runeblade
Curseling Lord of Tzeentch (140)
- Artefact: Beguiling Gem

Units
Infernal Guard Fireglaives x 20 (200)
- Battleline (Legion of Azgorh)
Chaos Warriors x 20 (360)
- Hand Weapon & Shield
- Battleline
Chaos Warriors x 10 (180)
- Halberd & Shield
- Battleline
Chaos Warriors x 10 (180)
- Halberd & Shield
- Battleline

War Machines
Deathshrieker (120)
Deathshrieker (120)
Magma Cannon (140)

Total: 2000/2000

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>>51188895
Here's what I recently ran.
Stacking the Destruction trait and Ironfist allows for intense mobility and should allow you to pick your battles at leisure.

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>>51189309
>Supposedly inbound
stop playing with my emotions

now give me all the details or ill kill you in your sleep

>>51189315
Nah, 'ard boys use the same modelsas black orcs did, but the rest of the line and the background is entirely different.

>>51189453
Here are the details we know:
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ They come after dwarves and likely before Slaanesh. That's all we have. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

>>51189323
Fantasy Diggas wouldn't be anywhere near as fun as 40k Diggas because Orcs aren't anywhere near as fun as Orks.

>>51189435
Are Brutes must have for Ironjawz?

>>51189623
Well, what else are you going to take? Gore-gruntas?
Yeah, I thought not. It's down to Brutes or 'Ard Boys, and both have their niches.

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>>51188895
iron fists and megafists

>>51190102
It might be a stupid question but why buying warchanter and gore-gruntas separately if buying a SC! box would be cheaper?

>>51189423
>>51144302

you should REALLY look at this thread ;)

>>51190102
anon did you win a lottery, because holy shit.
how much did that cost

>>51190166
It was before SC Ironjaw was a thing

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>>51190102
Are we boxposting?

>>51190190
Based on the date of that photo it's fair to assume that it was taken before the SC box existed

>>51190207
you fuckers have too much money

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>>51190223

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>>51190207
Oh God, do it. As a fuckin poorfag I want to see people having fun with shittones of models - it's a good way to motivate myself

>>51190299
please stop, i just see piles of money

ps.

Anything for death when

>>51189510
and after freeguild

How common is Order, particularly Stormcast, your areas?

Around here, Order is roughly equal to Chaos, with Death and Destruction behind them. From what I've been seen/told, though, Order here is mainly just Sylvaneth and one Daughters of Khaine army.

I've been thinking about going Stormcast due to it having a relatively lower model count and somewhat easier to paint (I've gotten burned out with moderate-to-high model count armies with a little more complexity in painting with 40k), and since Stormcast are underplayed-to-unplayed here, I'd like to take the opportunity to be a snowflake and slide into that spot.

>>51190444
for me stormcast is everywhere, but it is of no matter to you, just do what is less played in your area

>>51190444
A lot of Stormcast players (and Bloodbound) because they are the cheapest option for casual players

>>51189373
There's fairly little incomprehensible about it though. That's part of why they so easily tempt people: They have easy to understand recruitment speeches. You want to chop things up? Join Khorne! On your deathbed from fever? Join Nurgle! Adrenaline junkie? Join Slaanesh! Want cool magic? Join Tzeentch!

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gyrinx

so this is that teaser thing they did for the rumor mill a while ago.

its called a Gyrinx.

is that some kind of 40K thing?

link
https://youtu.be/5nWv_WcpUZA

>>51190951
>>51188303

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Preorders (and warscrolls) are up on the NZ site.

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>>51190951
CROSS IT OFF

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>>51190951
>The Gyrinx (also Grynix) is a cat-like creature used by both human and Eldar psykers as a familiar, augmenting its user's psychic abilities.
So it's a 40K model or they want to use it in AoS

>>51191072
Yes, it's probably a 40k model.

>>51191072
Probably 40k, though you never know, Tzaangors did appear in 40k.

>>51191064
So Sorcerous Bolts can be 18"|4+|4+ just by standing next to Tzeentch Wizard you will surely have? It's not bad

>>51191064
oh shit tzeentch magic cards

>>51191119
>>51191098
Egypt-based human or aelf faction please

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>>51191151
GW don't give a shit about elves or anyone who cares about them. They would rather make more dwarf faggots and nomie humans.

>>51189084
There wolves

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>>51191064
That's not horrible, actually. For a marauder-tier unit a swing at 4+/4+ in addition to a 18" shot is pretty decent. Given the sheer number of Tzeentch Wizards you're likely to field those bolts will probably always be able to claim the bonus, too.
The Vulchard will probably make enemy wizards with multiple casts somewhat hesitant to cast when nearby, though I doubt it'll actually do much unless you have multiple units of Kairic Acolythes in range.
I'd most likely make them hang out with a Gaunt Summoner, screening him and providing support fire while he deletes units.
Incidentally, the Gaunt Summoner has lost his familiars, as expected. The loss of +1 to cast hurts, but the rest were worthless anyway.

>>51191501
WHERE ARE WHERE WOLVES

>>51191556
The better question is: when we become aware as to where the werewolves are, what do you think they would wear in terms of design?

Hopefully nothing.

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>>51191556
back in World of Warcraft where you got the shit idea in the first place.

>>51191329
i bet you are that guy painting wow bloodelf

>>51191532
Familiars might be a separate warscroll

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little closer every day

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Can't see any changes to these three guys. Seems they were just renamed.
Still, that Fatemaster's ability in a wizard-heavy army might be interesting, especially with the new allegiance trait.

>>51191655
>asshole elf poster
like pottery

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>>51191685
But you're the WoW faggot shitposting about getting a wearwolf faction.

besides we settled this... Witch elves pre dated WoW by ten years and were a blatant rip off of Games Workshop intellectual property (like everything good in world of warcraft)

>>51191704
Could be, but I doubt it, considering the kit doesn't include them in the first place and all old familiars have been relegated to legacy status, not to mention lacking the Tzeentch keyword.

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>>51191735
Nice bases

>>51191827
GW makes them

Mixing alliances: Am I retarded or is fun allowed?

I want to make an army of good guy skeletons, warrior souls bored of valhalla or whatever returned to the realms for a proper punch up. So, obviously death.
I want to have some valkyries with them, thinking a couple units of allied Stormcast Prosecutors.

This prevents all allegiance buffs, items, and hero traits, but I just want a chaotic good skeleton party.

Hardly going to take this to competitive games, but will I be laughed out of the game store?

>>51191930
Yes on account of literally everybody everywhere using matched play and the GBH forbidding mixed alliances for that.
No on account of having a solid theme and something of a background justification.

>>51191930
>Hardly going to take this to competitive games, but will I be laughed out of the game store?
I think people will be going? "You sure? You do realize you're not getting alliance bonuses, right? Okay, put them on the field."

One of the perks of the pre-GHB period is that people got used to mixing up the rules.

>>51191759
Seems to me that a tag team of Thaumaturge and Summoner would shit out mortal wounds like nobody's business. If they're cheap enough, a bubblewrap of acolytes would do good work.

>>51191774
I hate to point this out, but...I'm the anon that was arguing with you about witch elves.

I am not the anon going on about werewolves. So at least there's someone lower on the ladder than me I guess.

>>51191759
the change is that you can compil all of them and benefit from synergies

>>51191930
Ironically, I had almost the same idea. Was going to paint dwarfs up like ghosts for spirit hosts, gs some beards on the skellies, etc. Good undead dwarf army.

>>51192190
>heroes with only 5 wounds and 5+ saves
Cant wait to snipe wizards with my bastiladon + stegadon

>>51192335
>Cant wait to snipe wizards with my bastiladon + stegadon

take a pic of your models and post it or everyone will know you're a faggot.

>>51192399
What

>>51192265
It occurred to me that skeleton armies are always the bad guys, and I wanted something new. I just couldn't find a death unit that arequately looked or played like a valkyrie, so I figured Stormcasts were the next best thing.

Currently just playing 1000 point proxy friendlies with some friends while we get into the game

>>51192190
- Curseling to make enemy casters nervous
- Gaunt Summoner to cut units in half and cast additional stuff
- Thaumaturge to cause more Mortal Wounds and threaten everything that gets too close
- Lord of Change to buff casting, supplement melee threat and maybe hand out Lord of War to a nearby Acolythe screen
- Blue Scribes for further casting buffs and general fuckery
Tzeentch coven is go.

>>51192507
Hell yes.
And Changeling for hero-centric objective dickery?

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>>51191064
Looking at all the marauder variants so far, the acolythes seem really strong in comparison. They brawl not that much worse than the other two while also having a long-ranged missile and better protection.
Yes, Bloodreavers can be buffed like mad, but requires a dedicated investment, while Kairics get that from hanging out with some guy that has probably similar range-bands and usually loves some disposable meatshields.

How far can a list like this get me in a competitive scene?

-Leaders-
Skarbrand - 400
Bloodsecrator - 120
Slaughterpriest - 100
Slaughterpriest - 100

-Units-
Bloodletters x30 - Gore Drenched Icon - 300
Bloodletters x30 - Gore Drenched Icon - 300
Bloodletters x30 - Gore Drenched Icon - 300
Skull Cannon - 180
Skull Cannon - 180

Up for any advice as well.

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>>51192569
There is nothing better than sticking the Changeling on some big, fast monster like Archaon and going "Nope, you are not going to go anywhere in a hurry."

>>51192335
>my broken bullshit army can spot-remove heroes
Wow. How very impressive. Next you'll mention hero-killing with thundertusks, I assume?

Any thoughts on Gyrocopters vs Bombers? I just bought two today. I like how copters look, but bombers seem like the only way they'd be at all useful.

>>51192831
>people using shooting units is "broken bullshit"

Maybe stick to open play, matched play might be too complicated for you to handle

>>51192190
120 for the Summoner, 160 for the Ogroid, assuming the prices didn't change.
Which they might have, since the Summoner lost his familiars. Maybe he's 100 now.

>>51192853
>invincible laser dinosaurs
>in a army rife with such shit
Kroak+Vortex+Astrolith is probably fine as well, right?

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>>51190330
Can't find the box of the two Sphinx but anyway...

>>51193057
Aren't those worth a shit ton right now?

>>51192835
I actually prefer Gyrocopters to -bombers, since the bomb-throwing mechanic is kinda shit. Multiple steamguns working in concert will start hurting very quickly.

>>51189156

>Khorne mortals, black orcs, dryads, Tzeentch mortals

Those are new models for existing groups tweaked to the new setting.

Besides horde of faceless buff Paladins, the only new faction is fire dwarves. And fire dwarves are really shit.

>>51193057
UHHH BRO.... DO NOT OPEN THOSE....

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>>51193057

>>51193180
Different anon, but does that mean I should probably dust off the sealed TK Battalion I bought from my GW before they could return it to warehouse?

>>51190223
They don't anymore.

>>51192335
I cant wait to kill the stegadon turn 2 with 3 hurricanum

>>51193158
>And fire dwarves are really shit.

Would you care to expand? I was thinking of starting a fire dorf army.

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>>51193242

Hey man if you like perfectly symmetrical naked dwarves I can't stop you.

Mechanically they've got pretty poor variation in their army, aren't too high powered, but mostly people are complaining about the models when they complain.

The dragon is cool at least.

>>51193294
Vulkite BB ETIKLUV
conjoined twin dwarf included

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>>51193353

We also sell SREKREZREERZERKERS.

>>51192886
Wasn't the basic summoner 120, and the familiar one 160?

>>51193402
top middle dwarf imploded

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>>51193435
Nope.
Considering the spell, 120 is criminally cheap, even without the familiars.

Rate it please.

-Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur - Greatblade - 260
-Skink Priest - Priestly Trappings - 100
-Saurus Sunblood - Obstinate Blade, Reckless - 120
-Saurus Eternity Warden - 140

-Saurus Guard x5 - 100
-Saurus Guard x5 - 100
-Saurus Guard x5 - 100
-Saurus Warriors x20 - Clubs - 200
-Saurus Warriors x20 - Clubs - 200

-Bastiladon - Solar Engine - 300
-Bastiladon - Ark of Sotek - 300

-Eternal Starhost Battalion - 80

>>51193672
Eternal Starhost is not that good if you only have 15 guard. Very weak to small sources of mortal wounds.

2 Bastiladons is a stupid idea

Bastiladon without Mystic Shield is a dumb idea.

Also
>Slow melee army

You also didnt pick your 2nd artifact

>>51190190
>>51190223
>poorfags upset that people spend money they earn on things they love

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>>51191532
>>51193518

What is GW trying to tell us with this picture?

>>51193751
Picked the starhost cause I had 80 points to spend and happened to hav 15 guard. Was a last minute thing.

Why are 2 Bastiladons a stupid idea?

I'm also banking on the rerolls to run and charge from the reckless command trait. It's not much but it's something.

So what should I change about the list? If I drop a Bastiladon and drop the battalion I'll have 380 points freed up.

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What are your thoughts on Empire/Freeguild? I just started them and I'm having a blast.

Currently I'm playing a campaign where my Freeguilds are long descendants of the Regiments of Averland are questing to re-establish the great city once again in the realm of Metal.

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>>51194125
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GUIIIIIIIIIIILDDDDD

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Hm?

Wacchu say? Dis my nigga BIG CARL?

>>51194151
meaningless without associated points costs and unit sizes. could be perfectly balanced (if still stupid from lore perspective)

>>51194151
HUMANITY, FUCK YEAH.

Yeah Freeguild Handgunners are brutal. I assume the other warscroll is Dark Elf?

>>51194102
2 Bastiladons is stupid because you can only give one of them Mystic Shield at a time and your opponent can just ignore the one you put it on. Bastiladon doesn't do very much damage for its 300 point cost so youre paying a lot of points for the defensive capabilities.

Cut 1 Bastiladon and bring 1 Stegadon instead.

Bring a Starseer so you can reroll the Skink Priest ability, making it more reliable, and to give you Mystic Shield for your Bastiladon.

You also need something that can do a lot of mortal wounds or high rend to deal with high armor saves - Salamanders are great for this.

You also need some mobility. Chameleon Skinks, Terradons, or Ripperdactyls.

I would cut down some of the Guard and Warriors to make room for these units.
Eternity Warden is not that good in combat unless you are running a Bloodclaw Starhost, you can spend a little bit more and get an Astrolith Bearer instead.

If you are going to run Guard then don't run them in small groups of 5, they are too weak to mortal wounds in small numbers.

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>>51194170
interesting keyword association for dark elves... do you even play this game?

>>51194083
Tzeentch literally invented magic, Gaunt summoner are on the the best mages and only are 9 even if the chaos realm are nifinite.

Archmages are just one of a thousand Aelf fag in an infinite realm

>>51194165
faggot. its the same point cost, that why is LOL

>>51194165
this is basic Aos knowledge, kill yourself whfb shill

>>51194201
>>do you even play this game
Anon, nobody plays this game.

>>51194125
They look fun and I dig what little lore they have at the moment, but I don't see myself playing them until they get some updated models. Some of the later units, like the Demigryph Knights, are sexy. Greatswords and the other mounted units look good, too. I'm mostly just averse to the Crossbowmen/Handgunners/Guard. And, unfortunately, I can't really skip over them since they're Battleline.

>>51194170
no its faggot chaos dorfs, HUMANITYYYYYYYYYY

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>>51194266
Lore issues aside the point is the points costs are the same for both even though you'd have to be an autistic faggot to claim they are equally effective in the game.

also pic related of the loremaster I will never finish painting because its like asking to lose if you use one in a game.

>>51194273
>>51194282

whoa now faggots... BTFO I'm not about to go pulling the GHB to reference every pic some douche throws up on the web.

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AoS Tzeentch looks crazy as fuck!

>>51194181
Ok, how about something like this?

-Scar-Vet on Carnosaur - Greatblade, Obstinate Blade, Reckless - 260
-Skink Starseer - Talisman of Blinding Light - 160
-Skink Priest - Priestly Trappings - 100
-Astrolith Bearer - 160

-Saurus Warriors x10 - 100
-Saurus Warriors x10 - 100
-Saurus Guard x15 - 300
-Salamanders x2 - 120
-Ripperdactyl Riders x3 - 140

-Bastiladon - Solar Engine - 300
-Stegadon - (not sure which ranged weapon, or maybe take an engine of the gods instead)

Total - 2000

>>51194324
why would he compare them otherwise

>>51194308
they are not equally effective because they shouldn't. Tzeentch should always be on top of magic, now BTFO Aelf fag

>>51194398
I can also drop a stegadon and add another salamander and 20 more saurus warriors.

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>>51194308
>Because its like asking to lose if you use one in a game.

What's wrong with an archmage? That bubble looks awesome.

Pic related of archmage I too, will probably never finish.

>>51194308
Archmage can only use magic because of tzeentch in the first place

>>51194442
I don't give a shit if the one is better than the other THE FUCKING POINTS COST SHOULD REFLECT THEIR RELATIVE EFFECTIVENESS IN THE FUCKING GAME FAGGOT

>>51194201
My bad I missed the keyword part. Don't need to sperg out just yet.

>>51194287
I heard rumors of a Freedguild battletome. I can only hope.

What don't you like about the Guard/Handgunners? I think they're some of the best parts of the army.

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>>51194452
>What's wrong with an archmage?

The problem is it costs way to many points (120) for what it brings to the table in terms of effectiveness compared to other things like >>51191532 that also cost 120 points.

The archmage is one of the most overcosted units ive seen in the game.

a common problem with all the elves in age of sigmar

>>51194475
The points costs have always felt kinda rushed. I mean look at Nagash in matched play. Definitely not worth a 1000 points. It's ridiculous.

I'm hoping there will be a real balancing pass sometime in the near future.

>>51194593
I think the Freeguild Battletome, or a whole Free Peoples' tome, is likely, considering one of the current Rumor Engine photos of a funky-looking pistol with the Devoted of Sigmar symbol on it.

>What don't you like about the Guard/Handgunners? I think they're some of the best parts of the army.
The blank unitards. It's a little bland and, more importantly, I don't trust myself being able to make those look good.

I redact what I said about the Freeguild Guard, though. Their breastplates and random armor doodads make them look more interesting.

>>51194151
One is a gun, the other is a magic staff that shoots spirits, not the same mechanism.

>>51194475
Do you even game design ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhxtfKH1f8
Are you 12 ?
if every army as the same 120 point caster why even choose your army ?

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>>51194663
>2017
>Not liking swiss guard fighting fantasy deamons

>>51194718
>if every army as the same 120 point caster why even choose your army ?

God damn, does it hurt to be that stupid?

The one that is better should cost more points than the one that is worse. Fuck. Jesus Christ, the faggoty autism is thick in here today.

>>51194718
Well at that point it would be all about looks.

>>51194742
They look dorky.

>>51194663
I hope so, they did release a new book called City of Secrets which is focused on the old world and a free guild captain.

Yeah gunner fair enough but the guard certainly are top tier for character. I won't be painting the cloth two tone colors but adding black when it's suitable such as on the armor or the shields.

>>51194743
then its still the same relative effectiveness, and it still doesnt matter, Can't wait for you to go back to highschool monday

>>51194743
Retard, by your logic 1000 points of every army will be as strong as 1000 points of every army. There would be no point even making lists or choosing army beyond the skin. Game design 101

>>51194743
What a bland game that would be....
please just STFU and look the video, kid.

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>>51194742
Hey, I said I liked the Freeguild aesthetic for the most part, except for the Handgunners and Crossbowmen. Everything else in the line is great in my book.

>>51194767
>City of Secrets
Oh, yeah, that's the other thing that leads me to think a Free People's tome of some kind is coming. That combined with this points to it.

>>51194341
Worst official art I have seen of Tzeentch.

>>51194803
What am I supposed to be looking at in that picture?

Yeah I just ordered City of Secrets, it should be quite good. I'm reading Broken Honour at the moment as a friend lent it to me. Old Empire was rather brutal...

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>>51194803
>that pic

FREEEEEEE GUIIIIIIIIILLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD RIDING MOTHERFUCKING GRYPHON

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>>51194803
This is 100% the remake of BRETONNIAN PEGASUS KNIGHT but for FREEGUILD, What a Glorious Day

>>51194833
The smaller picture is some kind of pistol. That bronze bit in the middle resembles the symbol on the Warpriest's belt, and the figure with the pistol seems to share the same color scheme.

So, a lot of people are thinking it's some kind of Free People's model.

>>51194743BTFO, go back to 40k if you want OP Elf, for the first time in 30 years Elf aren't the most op thing ever and you complain, I hope they squat Elf or make then a single army

>>51194868
Ah, well I hope so. A freeguild battletome would be amazing. They deserve fluff because you know, they're humans.

>>51194778
>>51194787
>>51194796

Oh my god... what is wrong with you people....?

You realize what you're asking for is overpowered flavor of the week releases that become worthless immediately after the next run of models hit the store.

Enjoy chasing that flavor of the week OP WAC list and spending thousands of dollars a few times a year.

>>51194882
>if you want OP Elf

I don't I want a balanced game where smart list building and smart choices in the game and lucky rolls of the dice create enjoyable games for everyone playing.

If you don't want that too then you can go fuck yourself.

>>51194890
Yeah, I'd like some non-Stormcast humans to get the spotlight. I'm pretty okay with the Stormcast but, my god, they've gotten enough exposure for the time being.

>>51194936
Being fair to the archmage his shit works on all units in a bubble and even against the gaunt summoners. One is offensive and the other defensive, plus I can guarentee you a archmage can save more than 120 points of other models, while a gaunt summoner does shit for dick against small units.

age of sigmar is putrid dogshit

what the fuck is wrong with you people

>>51192335
>I cant wait to use 560 points to kill a 120 point hero

well.. hum yeah i guess you will kill him

>>51194980

you have a point BUT its an unbelievable leap to claim they are both worth the same number of points.

The gaunt summoner can throw out its super killy spell AND Mystic shield every turn with its cast / unbind 2 rule. That alone should settle the argument.

>>51194980
yeah its op and elf still complain

>>51195027
>S-S-Stop l-liking what I don't like!

>>51195055
No its not a leap, one is a force in itself, the other is a force multiplier, sorry not everything does the killing.

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>>51195056

>>51188867
Anyone know good online stores to buy AoS stuff new, I'm looking to flesh out some of my Kings of War armies and I don't want to pay full GW prices if I can help it. Because of the no shopping carts rule its kind of hard to find prices.

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>>51195076
for Christ sake the Gaunt Summoner can cast a Mystic Shield (superior to the archmage spell in a lot of situations) AND his signature spell that causes a mortal wound to EVERY model within 18" on a 4+...

Please tell me more about how they are "equal"....

You can keep your shitty 6+ ward save bubble, give me the massive death bubble + mystic shield every day of the week since they both cost 120 points.

>>51194905
>t. strawmanning butthurt elf that doesnt understand game design

>>51194973
Don't get me wrong Stormcast are cool and have their place but they're superweapons. The finest tools of Sigmar. Majority of Sigmar's forces are Humans.

>>51195148
...the gaunt summoner only affects one unit, sorry that the death stars have to suffer.

>>51195148
then play tzeentch ?

>No! I dont want to buy more models!
well, thats why GW doesnt update the elves

>>51195156
you're fucking retarded. you want this >>51194905
and still think you have anything worthwhile to contribute on the subject of game balance...

>>51195183
Have you seen the loads of elves Ive bought, built, and painted and posted pictures of here? easily north of $700 in the last 4 months...

I buy for aesthetics not WAC like so many fagot lurkers here seem to do.

>>51195238

>I buy for aesthetics not WAC like so many fagot lurkers here seem to do.

then gw don't need to spend time and money to drive sales, thanks.

>>51195027
To be fair, Anon. Most people like stuff that's pure dogshit. I doubt that everything you enjoy is flawless.

>>51195180
You don't expect a butthurt ELF player to read ?
He's too busy being an armchair game designer and adjusting his fedora

Everyone talking about magic death spells and I'm over here laughing with my 80 point Runelord with +2 to unbind.

I haven't had an opponent successfully cast a single spell in the last 4-5 games. Guess I didn't realise how good I had it.

>>51195316
how can you constantly be at 18' range from the death wizards ?

>>51195285
>then gw don't need to spend time and money to drive sales, thanks.

a few posts ago you said that all the elves players had complete collections and weren't going to buy models and THAT was why GW didn't care about making elves...

Make up your mind faggot, can't have it both ways.

>>51195333
Bad players I guess? Also no one really plays death at my FLGS. I've fought a Destruction army and two different Seraphon players, and I think one other one I can't remember. Maybe Nurgle?

>>51195316
Is your runelord frontline ? do you play on small tables ?
As a dispossessed player I would like to know.

>>51195353
yes it can, they aren't mutually exclusive.

>>51195381
>yes it can, they aren't mutually exclusive.

your level of cognitive dissonance is stunning.

>>51195353
not that anon but elves are hella gay dude, fuck elves.

especially the girl elves

>>51195372
Well, I take 2 Runelords for buffs usually, and keep them at more or less each flank. Usually putting Ancestor Shield on Longbeards and Ironbreakers for extra durability. Nothing like a 4+/4+/6+ ignoring Rend -1. Have had IB negate about 30 wounds a turn for 3 turns that way.

I do tend to run them pretty much as close behind the front lines of infantry as possible, and only back away if it looks like they might get into combat. They're "okay" sturdy to me--a 4+ save is nice, but their damage potential seems pretty shit IMO.

I also lose most games for the record so I'm not sure if I'm a good source of advice.

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>>51195492
well, gw know the issue and addressed them in the match Dispossessed vs khorne, They said that they know that their aren't the most cost effective army and that they are closely looking into that!

>>51188915
>their start collecting is near
Source: My ass

>>51195555
Yeah, I was happy to hear that, I expect something great with either steamhead or GHB2

>>51195555
>gw know the issue

I want to believe that the General's Handbook 2.0 will include a total overhaul of all the points costs for every unit in the game. I want to believe. then this happens >>51194083 and I think maybe they actually care more about making the game like this >>51194905 after all it would be what the majority of the community seems to want...

>>51195625
Gw acknowledged the issue with dwarf, elf are fine

>>51195625
Archmage was pointed in GHB, and you complain that it's too weak for it's points.
They release something else that you consider stronger (by misreading in part), at that point cost, at a later date.

You assume this is because they don't care about point costs, when they could easily care, and want to put the units at a better point cost, starting with new units they release.

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>>51195682
>elf are fine

goodbye sweet world

>>51188895
Iron fist. Like all your units in one iron fist, big Boss is the boss of your 10 orruk blob.

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>>51191149

Have to admit I'm a little annoyed that buying the book is the only means of getting them.

>>51194341

That's just the first new picture of him in who knows how long.

Have to say I'm liking what they're doing lorewise between the bits from the Battletome and the premise behind City of Secrets.

>>51189623
Yes. Any other questions faggot?

>>51190166
It's not stupid question
It's stupid to ever buy them seperately.
Just get the start collecting

>>51194398
looks better

talisman of blinding light is not very good on starseer

you dont get a 2nd artifact any more because you dropped the battalion

>>51195849
>>51183240

>>51195032
Damn youre right I never considered that my Bastiladon and Stegadon can only shoot once per game

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>>51195700
>un-ironically believes that the archmage and gaunt summoner are relatively equal in terms of in game effectiveness.

You're too far gone, I can't help you.

>>51195889
No, but the fact that you seem proud that 560 points can kill 120 point left me flabbergasted

>>51195910
Reading comprehension man...

>>51195923
at that rate >>51195889 will only need to spend 5 turns just to earn back the points of those units... I wonder if he really thinks he knows what he is doing.

>>51189323
My Digga...

>>51195027
Guess it's time to go shit post up fantasy.
THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD

>>51195889
>Wow i totally REKT a stegadon with 3 bloodthirster + Skarbrand and Skaraac haha.

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>>51195934
fine I may have been a touch obstinate and hyperbolic in my sarcastic take on your post, I apologize.

I will pin my hopes on a rebalance in the GHB2.0

>>51195887
> telling new Ironjaw player to use the absolute best battle line choice in faction
> get told to go back to fantasy
Anon, did you ride the short bus to school? Does your mother make you wear a helmet around the house?

>>51195841
The cards disappeared pretty much instantly.

>>51196052
Your toxicity is just the proof of were you come from.

>>51196059

Guess they made jack all then or allocated jack all to NZ.

>>51196101
it will be downloaded and printed Day1 anyway..

>>51196101
don't worry they will pop back up on ebay tomorrow at 5X the price.

>>51196141
then they will be pricier than just getting the $35 book with the free cards

>>51196164
give it time... the book will sell out too and also appear at 5X the price on ebay.

>>51196194
If people are so technologically illiterate that they prefer to buy a $200 battletome on ebay to have a physical copy its basically their fault at this point, Ebook don't run out and most people already find free alternatives because anybook gets pretty much leaked on release date

>>51196164

I forgot that Battletomes are only $35, that makes it a bit easier to accept.

>>51196277

It's not about being technologically illiterate, simply having a preference for the physical version.

>>51196330
Paying 5 times as much on ebay for a preference is debatable tho. I guess most UBERDIEHARD that prefer hardback already ordered it

>>51196084
>y-y-your toxicity
OK autist. I'll stop you right there

>>51196378

Battletomes don't sell out.

>>51196420
>Failing to understand the difference between physical and digital.

Why would I pay money for a digital anything that I know how to use the internet to acquire for free. If I am going to shell out money, like I do often, then I want a physical thing for my $.

It's the biggest scam of the last decade that people pay $ for digital anythings.

>>51196499

I'm talking about the physical Battletomes.

>>51196499
but why would you ever want to pay for a physical thing if you can get it for free In epub/pdf ?

>>51196780
books (physical books) are nice to have. call me old fashioned but if I really like the book I would rather have the real thing.

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Is there a combo you love to field ?

>>51196816

This.

>>51197121
I would love to throw Sayl + Shar'tor and rekt half an army that isnt stormcast or ironjaw on turn 2.

but right now i kinda like my deathrunner + Deceiver. a little gimmiky but fit the eshin theme quite wonderfully

>>51196059
What cards

>>51197378
Magic cards.
Presumably spell lore cards.

>>51191735
Can't wait to see the end result!

>>51197378

Cards with both of the Tzeentch lores on them, they come free if you buy the battletome.

is there anywhere i can find Warhammer TV videos without subscribing to their twitch channel?

i want to subscribe and watch them but i've got no idea how good or shit they may be.

>>51198148
meant to say twitch stream videos, not the youtube warhammer tv videos

>>51198566
They are 6-7/10. 8/10 if Duncan is there.

>>51198566
Depends if you like 4Hours Aos/40K livestreamed games, if yes, they have a buckload of that so for $4 its worth it, especially if you DL the video to keep them

>>51195955
Damn youre right I never considered that the Bastiladon and Stegadon only have shooting attacks and no other value whatsoever

>>51198797
its not the point...

>>51198797
>>51196007

>>51196007
>5 behemoths in 1000 or 2000 point game
U wot m8

>>51199064
The thing is nobody understand why you are proud that 560 points can kill 120 points. its not an achievement

>>51199080
It trivially kills a key model you are relying on for your army.

A 5+ save with 5 wounds is garbage tier for support heroes, easy to snipe with any tall shooting creature like a Thundertusk, Bastiladon, or Stegadon.

Tzeentch does not look like a very good competitive faction so far.

>>51199106
You trivially kill a 120 points model with 560 points, against its 100% normal

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>>51199119
do not bother man, do this

>>51199119
Yeah you're right all these tall shooting monsters are complete garbage because they can only eliminate 1 hero per turn, what a waste of points!

Oh wait, it's the exact opposite of that

>>51199138
>Report people you disagree with!

What kind of retarded faggot does this

>>51199156
Are you retarded ? the image show "Hide post", not report.

No the bastiladon and stegadon are strong and costly, that's why killing a 120 points model with 560 points is something trivial that happen in any games, its nothing to be proud or write about

>>51199180
I never said I was "proud" of it you fucktard

I'm saying that these new squishy tzeentch wizards are entering a meta that already hard counters them

The meta is built around sniping buff heroes and that's against tougher units like Bloodsecrators, Knight Azyros, etc. A buff wizard with 5W and a 5+ save is garbage tier.

Have to wait and see if the Battletome gives them any kind of survival options like transferring wounds to nearby units, but their warscrolls give me a very poor impression for tzeentch in competitive play

>>51194632
Nagash would be worth his points if he wasn't limited by matched play's summoning restrictions. If anything, the reserve points system was the part of the GHB that was half assed.

>>51194151
Doing more damage does not imply the mechanism is better.

>>51192668
man, kairic looks damn good.
100 points for 10 ?
Can the adept be equipped with both the Glaive and the Vulcharch ?

Speaking fluff, the Kairic Acolytes are regular humans, but 'learn' magic, so does this mean you aren't necessarily born a wizard anymore but learn it? wasn't it different in fantasy?

>>51199659
Nagash was a normal human (albeit a prince) and learn magic with the mortuary cult, then learn magic with a druchii then...[...] 8000 pages of fluff later he is Death incarnate.

I guess some races are magical by nature like sylvaneth or Elfs, but most just "learn"

>>51199687 Sweet, didn't know that. The only thing I could think of was Archaon who was a fairly regular witchunter.

Makes the idea of Kairic Acolytes even cooler - some fat/lazy shopkeeper becoming a magical disciple of tzeentch is pretty awesome

>>51192724
remove a cannon and add sayl the faithless and you are good to go

>>51192835
I much prefer gyrocoper because i need antihorde with my army.
I guess it depends on what you have

How balanced or unbalanced is a thundertusk? Should I use 2?

>>51200150
Are you an asshole?

>>51200182

I have reliable sources that tell me yes, I am.

>That feel when you wanna play AoS
>Absolutely no one playing it locally
>Friends aren't interested or they're playing other games.

Guess my wallet is safe but my heart hurts guys...

>>51200150
I use one per 1k worth of points.

>>51200242
Are you in >London?

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>>51194287
Get some of the older models. Much sexier.

>>51200239
heh

>>5120027>>51200272

Oregon if you know where that is. Particularly the wilamette valley.

>>51200239
I wanna find a way to put another one of these living shoulder mutations on the Changlings other side.
I just think it would look cool, like some mutated angel.

>>51200239
>flail in the hand where your shoulderguy grows from
That seems like a recipe for disaster.

>>51199757
Archaon was priest of sigmar.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Kairic-Acolytes

£30 for 20 models aint bad. aint bad.

>>51200306
>everyone is John: the tzeentchian miniature

>>51200299
https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/59kwc0/any_gamers_out_here_in_portland_oregon/

>>51200349

>I'm gonna drive hours up to Portland just to play

Anon I love you but please...

>>51200353
Either that 1x/2x a month or create a gaming group from the local people

>>51200331
Oh, it's twenty guys? That's fairly substantial, I had just assumed it would be ten like usual.
Man, I am really fucking curious about their point values, since I have a hankering for grabbing two or three boxes now.
Though I am uncertain what to do with the eight guys I have from Silver Tower...

>Can't continue my Blightkings because GW didn't ship on time like a normal human would because of a free (non cancellable) bit of art
Annoyed desu

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>>51200331
>models with paired weapons and shields
>models with halberds and shields
>warscroll doesn't allow either

>ride on tzeentch hype train
>see stats of acolytes, ogroid and gaunt stats
>suddenly lost intrest

fug

>>51200473
...we've known the stats for two of those for well over half a year now, you realize?

>>51200485
i was hoping for gw to change them

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I wish to praise pops nurgle.

Daemons or mortals are way to go?

>>51200522
What, not good enough for you?

>>51200582
Both?
If you go mono Daemons run Tallyband though

>>51200612
I really love blightkings models so I wanted to include them, but i can't stand models form mortal range (maggoth lords and glott are 10/10 but chaos warriors and maruders are meh). I won't be pentalized too much for running them along with daemons?

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Last thread's story-pastebin posters inspired me to write a story for a game I had last night.

pastebin.com/rjFU8aW2

>>51200626
Came up with this in about 5-10 mins, ask the other more active anons how viable it is
>Leaders
Lord of Plagues (100)
Rotbringers Sorcerer (100)
Daemon Prince (160)
- Flying with Sword
Great Unclean One (240)

>Units
Putrid Blightkings x 5 (180)
Putrid Blightkings x 5 (180)
Putrid Blightkings x 5 (180)
Putrid Blightkings x 5 (180)

Plaguebearers Of Nurgle x 10 (100)
- Battleline
Plaguebearers Of Nurgle x 10 (100)
- Battleline
Plaguebearers Of Nurgle x 10 (100)
- Battleline

>Behemoths
Soul Grinder (280)

>Battalions
Blight Guard (100)

Total: 2000/2000

>>51200242

>tfw want to play
>Could go for pretty much any system
>No friends
>No FLGS where I could play against randoms
>Really don't even want to play with a bunch of 12-year-olds or neckbeards
>Life is suffering

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>>51200522
>>51200473
Why? They seem pretty fucking neat overall.

>>51200522
To what? They're really great for their price?

>>51200457
Balance? If you could go halberd/shield or paired weapon/shield, why the hell would you choose any of the other options?

>>51201069
He is not asking why you can't use both but why they are using them on GW pics >>51200768

>>51201101
Model uniformity, I'd day.

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>The ugliest dice ever existed
>Sold out day 1
What is wrong with you?!

>>51200457
I think you can give them halberds and shields. The line about arming some with the double-handed glaives doesn't include the crucial word "instead", so I think technically those models get it in addition to their blade and shield/double blades.

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I just realised that the Verminus Clawpack (Warlord, 3x Clanrats, Stormvermin, 3x weapon teams) comes out to an even 1000 points if you use 20-rat units for the Clanrats/Stormvermin and Warpfire Thrower teams. Is it at all viable or is there too much focus on lots of standard infantry for it to work that well?

>>51201299
>those dubs
I also think it's overdesigned

>>51201299
Wheres that from and where can I see it in better detail?

>>51201299
What is this, a model for Warmaster?

>>51201250
It looks like you are skipping a magic phase but I would give it a try

>>51201328
The app leaked lot of things.

>>51201241
They look cool and unique.
That's aesthetically appealing enough.

so, the App leaked points cost and warscroll for lots of things.

Point Costs:

Kairos 340 Leader, Bbehemot, unique
Lord of change 300 Leader, Behemot,
Kairic Acolytes 10-40 140 Battleline
Blue Horrors 10-30 50
Brimstone Horrors 10-30 40
Magister 120 Leader
Tzaangor Enlightened 3-9 160
Tzaangor Shaman 120 Leader
Tzaangors 10-30 180 Battleline

>>51201528
Tzaangors have an interesting points cost. At first I was surprised how high it was, but actually you get 20 wounds for those 180 points, don't you? Per-wound they're actually cheaper than the kairic acolytes (90/10 vs 140/10).

>>51201581
Should add: tzaangors are more vulnerable to battleshock however.

>>51201581
They also have a fuckload of attacks. The Warscroll was improved enormously.

they can have paired blades or shield
2 in 5 can have greatblades,
1 in 5 can be a mutant with +1 paired blades attack
The Leader has +1 to hit
Musician make them run and charge
Icon bearers in the hero phase roll a d6 for each mage within 9" (friend or foe) and do 1 mortal wound on a 4+ on an enemy within 18"

Savage Blades are 2 / 4+ / 4+ / - / 1
Greatblades are 1 / 4+ / 4+ / - 1 / 2
Beaks are 1 / 4+ / 5+ / - / 1

Arcanite Shields are the same

Twin blades get +1 to hit

Anarchy and mayhem get +1 to wound if an arcanite hero is within 9", no roll required

Savagery unleashed: +1 attack for each model attacking with blades or greatblades for every 9 models in the unit (maximum +3)

10 of them have 4 models attacking with 2 damage 2 attacks each.

>>51201675
Strewth, that sounds pretty potent.

>>51201528
Kairos

14 wounds, still 10" movement but now he gets slower as he's damaged

Melee weapons are now 2 attacks for the staff and 5 for the claws. Also the claws are damage 2.

Lost Secrets and Ciphers

Oracle of eternity now can't affect initiative roll

Mastery of Magic is unchanged

The rest is unchanged.
Lord of Changes

14 wounds, still 10" movement but now he gets slower as he's damaged

Weapons changed a lot. Now are


Missile

Rod of Sorcery 18" / 2d6 / 3+ / 3+ / - / 1

Melee

Staff of Tzeentch 3" / 3 / 4+ / * (same as before) / - / 2
Baleful sword 1" / 2 / 4+ / 2+ / -2 / 3
Wicked Talons 1" / 4 / 4+ / 3+ / -1 / 2

Everything else is the same

>>51201299
>99
tzeentch be praised

I want to see the heads better, I was expecting something more than 3 different types of open, screeching mouths.

>>51201528
Tzaangor Enlightened

Move 6"
Wound 3
Save 5+
Bravery 6

You can give them a disc for 16" move, 4 wounds and the disc attacks. I see no reason to do it.

MELEE

Spear 2" / 2 / 4+ / 3+ / -1 / 2
Beak 1" / 1 / 4+ / 5+ / - / 1
Disc 2" / d3 / 4+ / 3+ / -1 / d3

Leader get +1 attack with spear

Babblim stream of secrets:
+1 fleeing models from battleshock for each unit within 9"

Guided by the past:
If an there is an enemy unit that has already attacked in the combat phase within 3" they reroll hits and wounds

Preternatural Enhancement:
+1 to hit for spears and beaks if within 9" of a Tzaangor Shaman in the combat phase.

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>Disc of Tzeentch is as fast as the Steed of Slaanesh on mortals, but can also fly

>>51201385
The formation gives a massive buff to the Warlord's 'Gnash-Gnaw on their Bones!' ability - it gives all units from his battalion within 13" an extra attack instead of just one - and it gives the weapons teams much more survivability by being able to shift wounds from themselves to nearby units, i.e. expendable Clanrats.

Hopefully that should be enough to make up for the lack of magic.

So old time TS player unhappy with the new release here. When if ever will there be a start collecting box for the Tzeentch forces? Its the only thing holding me back. My inner jew wont let me buy into AOS when I 'know' there'll be one right after I buy.

So, if I'm making up a list, how do I fill small-ish point gaps?

I'm making a 1k Bonesplittas list, and have 60pts left. But I can't fit anything into 60pts.

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>>51201933
>Steeds of Slaanesh have different rule sets for Herald/Chariots, Seekers and Mortals.

>>51202025
Don't know if they've fixed it with the new tzeentch book, but so did disks. There's a range of different melee statlines for disks of tzeentch depending on what's riding the thing.

>>51201933
power creep

>>51202047
I didn't know that.
It bothers me that we have completely different speed though.

Steeds are 12" on Heralds and Chariots, 16" on mortals, and Seekers have 14" but run with 2 dice (which can be explain by the symbiosis, but that wouldn't explain why Heralds on Steeds don't have this).

>>51202672

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So where can you find the point costs for these new models? Or are they basically unplayable in matched play until GHB2?

>>51202020
You just lose the 60 pts. and if you have more left over pts than your opponent you roll on the triumph table.

>>51189750
Hey goregruntas are good. Bring the gore-fist and BAM! You've placed your green and armored spear deep insid the soft and tender rear-guard of the enemy.

But for small point yeah, brutes are infinitely better.

>>51196001
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!! LET THE THREADS BUUURN!!!

>>51190102
Why?