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What is the best possible grappler without using synthesis summoner?

>>51101205
>Have you ever run any "Western" Themed games before?
I was invited to a steampunk western game once. I did what any sane man would. I told the DM to fuck off.

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I know a lot of Fire Emblem players browse /pfg/.

How would I go about making Micaiah? I'm thinking it would be either Oracle or Celestial Sorceress, but I'm unsure about where to go from there in terms of specialization/optimization

>>51101252
Brawler (strangler) does the job pretty well.

>>51101205
i tried one in good old 3.5

Ended the first session.

>>51101205
>"Western" Themed game
Did a round-robin type game where each of dmed for one story ark in a frontier town. Had the rail coming through, attempted theft of the first steam-carriage, hunting down necromancers that had been hung for their crimes but didn't stay dead, and pushing out a robber baron trying to muscle in on the nearby sulfur mines.
Played an ex-army brood summoner that had all the littlest eidolons, all with rifles, in formation and shooting in waves.

Could Asmodeus send someone back in time?

Alright guys, two questions.

Do Gold Dragons have shape shifting naturally? And how old do elves live? In Golarion.

>>51101252
Dunno how good it ends up actually being, but I wanna try a Masked Grappler eventually.

They get to ignore Freedom of Movement, which is nice.

>>51101351
That seems like a good way to get banned, anon.

>>51101351
That seems like a good way to get my dick hard, anon.

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So speaking of mistakes.

What's the worst you or your party have ever fucked up?

And I mean REALLY fucked up.

Bonus points if it didn't actually just end up with you all dead.

Hey /pfg/, I've got 2 different character concepts I want to try, which do you think I should do first. They're both kind of necromancers.

>half-orc witch with plague patron
>think a follower of Nurgle, but more of a focus on how everything eventually succomds to entropy eventually, but wants to eventually reach lichdom


>human twilight arcanist that wants to party forever and give the middle finger to death forever
>Herbert West and Johannes Cabal if they knew how to have fun

>>51101345
Yes

350+4d100 years

>>51101437
I thought the floating lilipads we were standing on had stems, I was wrong
Luckily I activated Judgement, so the fall didn't kill me

>>51101490

The second one is more appealing, but only if you're able to play the character coherently even when others are being very serious.

>>51101437
We're only a few sessions in and this is my fist time playing any TTRPG, but I think we may have fucked up.

>roll a human druid, playing him like he's an ecologist
>rest of the party consists of:
>human wizard with no real sense of right or wrong
>prancing elf swashbuckler noble
>rapey female elf ranger
>they're on a mission to retrieve a magical staff and investigate some undead
>they happen upon the village nearby where I do my druid shenanigans
>when I woke up that morning, I found a villager stabbed to shit in my woods
>also, the mayor of said village was stabbed to shit in his house
>we investigate the murders, fail to find any solid clues in regards to who did it
>but apparently the mayor was skimming off the top
>and paying some villagers to act as secret police, including the dead guy I found
>mayor's wife is also weird, she has a tattoo and we find a magical candle in their house
>we exhaust all other options
>fuck it, wizard lights the candle
>wife bursts into some sort of flame monster
>we end up killing her and escaping the burning house
>flaming face rises and says we'll pay for ruining it's plans
>I join the rest of the group on their quest
>that night: ranger, wizard, and I are sleeping
>in a dream, we're confronted by another creature made of flame
>says we fucked up, how are we going to pay it back?
>I counter that we didn't know about any of it's plans, and we were attacked first
>we get down to brass tacks and it says it needs us to get shit
>in return it will grant us boons
>also tells us who the killer was
>eventually we agree
>it wants the staff

cont

>>51101252
Depends on what you want to do with your grappling. Drop Dead's Luchador lets you take a bunch of different options that build off of the grapple, throwing in knee strikes and suplexes and options like that, while the Tetori monk is pretty good at rapid binary grappling.

Is there anything that's not a full caster that can save a gestalt that's half swashbuckler?

>>51101734
depends on what you want the gestalt to do

>>51101734
Paladin.

>>51101726
Mainly I want to be able to disable any reasonably build character from the maximum possible range as quickly as possible with no counter play.

The DM has this really infuriating BBEG guy and I want him gone. DM told me to go nuts.

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I like this thread better. Openly lewd OPs really kill the mood.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65144/of-dragons-and-yet-more-dragons


If you've got any questions about the game, or have an idea about the game. go ahead and ask me.


I'm gonna be drawing up a thread about the Demesne itself soon. lotta questions about the how its set up.

>>51101742
What I want to do is make a competent character that won't fall too far behind the party.

>>51101748
Any particular archetypes?

>>51101780
yes but what do you want said competent character to -do-

>>51101679
>arrive at the burrough where the undead are popping out of and the staff should be
>work our way through, kill some shambling corpses that get re-invigorated every time this pulse goes through the burrough
>it also heals our wounds
>make it to the end, there's a skeleton in robes with a spear through it's chest, holding onto a staff
>the hand holding the staff is fully fleshed but the rest of him is fucked up
>another pulse, more undead
>we get to him, he takes notice
>we fight him some, trying to get the staff
>skeleton guy grabs it with his other hand
>now he's fulled healed
>we try attack him some more
>he comes to his senses, asks us to stop, heals us, asks whats going on
>turn out he's some priest who was sent on the same mission as us, things got fucky and he was trying to heal all of his men with the staff
>then he got speared and the spell kind of got stuck in a weird loop

cont

>>51101780
Sacred Servant.

>>51101437
Not really a party fuck up, but as I mentioned in the "How did your character die" thread, I once had a half-orc get bitten in half by an epic hippopotamus the party thought was a log. There was also that time in Rise of the Runelords where we turned loose a sealed demon that then eviscerated half the party...

>>51101766
>If you've got any questions about the game, or have an idea about the game. go ahead and ask me.

Dragon DM! Dragon DM!

Tell us about the non-draconic inhabitants of the Demesne! Who's the sportiest? Who's the most competent? Who's the thickest, excluding Fredericka?

>>51101759
Well, luchador has aerial charge which is really good at long distance charge take-downs, and it has talents to ignore freedom of movement, but it's more about big damage combos than instant lockdowns. Tetori is better at the instant lockdown, but less good at closing the distance, especially if the foe is flying.

DUELING GENERALS, BUMPING FOR THE BUMP GOD

>>51101854
Is there a way to use abundant step to deliver a grapple as a tetori?

>>51101766
It's always nice when the PFG thread is actually about Pathfinder as well.

>>51101766

If I don't make it into your game, may I please have a hug?

Also, what sort of critters are there in the Demense other than sapient/sentient people?

Like, a wildlife ecosystem? Are there cows for me to swallow whole? Are there exotic trees that bear fruit like grapevines? Is there fishing?

>>51101790
>he pulls the spear out like it's nothing, says it's evil
>our wizard just grabs it, against the warnings of the priest, but it does nothing to him
>I grab the staff and we head out, me last
>I hear a voice behind me "Give me the staff."
>it's the fire guy
>Well, we did agree...
>put the staff down and it just disappears
>while we head back to town, ask the priest if he's ever heard of fire guy
>says it sounds vaguely familiar, but to check the library when we get back
>we do
>turns out there was a being that matches the description that was created to oppose some other being
>it won, and was then banished because the guys who made it were afraid of it
>also get confirmation that the spear is crazy evil
>like, it belongs to an evil deity and is watching us
>we end up before the prince
>manage to bullshit enough to an inquisitor that the staff just up and disappeared on us
>also say we figured out who murdered those two guys, kind of pulls their attention there
>get paid for dealing with the undead and get sent to deal with some shit at a mine
>en route, wizard tries to make contact with the spear's deity
>turns out it's a being called the Defiler and is very happy that we're helping out fire guy

I think we fucked up.

>>51101877
Tetori loses abundant step, unfortunately.

>>51101616
I don't anticipate the others being too serious. And yeah, I like the second more from a roleplaying perspective, but I like the first from a mechanical perspective.

>>51101906
damn. It looks like I have to go with something else then.

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>>51101825
>most competent?

Maximo Dumonte, Resident Barber and Scrimshawer, Former Dragonslayer, Honorary Dragon.

Has slain over 300 dragons in his long career. fifty of whom have been Culdranth's children. However in the twilight of his life, Culdranth in a fit of whimsy put him under her protection and named him an honorary dragon.

He lives in the Demesne carving designs in horns and cutting hair, and warning dragons away from evil lest he come out of retirement and slay them. His sword is hung on his shop wall. His draconic customers find it creepy as fuck.

Pic related

>>51101893
>critters
Goats, Cats, and Falcons.
>plants
There are some fruit and vegitable farms at the bottom of The Demesne. They all get plenty of light due to the Crystal nature of the cavern reflecting light to the lowest depths.
>fishing
There is a pool at the bottom of The Demesne fed from a waterfall from the very top. there are some fish in there, but they were placed there to manage Mosquitos

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>>51101877
No, because you lose Abundant Step.
For a normal monk though, such as a UC Monk, go Dimensional AgilityDimensional Assault, Dimensional Dervish, Charging Stag Style, and Stag Horns.

Hope you don't mind spending all those feats, as well as the prerequisite feats.
You should probably go Human

>>51101961
I don't get what you're expecting to do with that NPC thread.

Are applicants allowed/expected to contribute?

>>51102025
>Are applicants allowed/expected to contribute?

Yes.

It's a lazy way for anon to get more character concepts.

>>51102025

Applicants are allowed to contribute. I mostly put it there to keep from repeating myself.

>>51101988
hobgoblin gets some racial bonuses to grapple though though FCB and alternate racial traits.

DIdn't know about stag style though. THANKS!

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>>51101961
>There are some fruit and vegitable farms at the bottom of The Demesne.
There better be Breadfruit. Nothing is more comfy than a breadfruit

>>51101906
Both kinds of Monk keep their Good Fort save progression, so you could potentially take the Teleportation Mastery feat to get Dim-Door

>>51101961

Alright well what are some things that make up the diet of Demense denizens?

Goat, fish, some fruits and veggies, and other assorted things?

>>51102070
Should have been pointed at >>51101941

>>51102065
That shit was my jam in Lost in Blue

>>51102073

Meat, tropical fruits, meat, grain, candy, meat, and MEAT.

>>51102055
Interesting.

The dragon NPC that just got posted was making some assumptions about the setting, so I was wondering what you actually thought of it.

>>51102088
It was my in Harvest Moon: Save the Homeland

>>51102101

I was talking with him in the Rizon chat while he was writing it. I told him it was okay to post.

Spheres of Might seems to be rolling right along in their Kickstarter, I'm interested to see how that turns out.

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>>51102096

MEAT

>>51101988

>Dimensional Dervish
>Stag Style

these don't work at all together

>>51101273
Grab a bunch of damaging spells, rely heavily on the fact that you run on CHA to replace the fact that your CON is awful, and get a familiar that can cast spells via wands (to simulate Yune).

>>51102155
Is that a fat elf dressed as an orc?

>>51102122
>>51102122
Ah, makes sense. I for one find it comfy. Not sure what the hivemind will make of it though.

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>>51102171

No its a shoanti human cannibal with cropped ears.

Awinita the Ox. Scrapped character of mine that somehow got into this guy's hands... well done!

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S, I've been thinking of making a Betrothed Avowed/Warlord in order to make an expy of Utena from Revolutionary Girl Utena.
Currently I've been wondering, what type of Pact would Anthy be? I've been thinking Court Fey, but I'm not sure.
Your thoughts?

>>51102163
You're right, Dervish can be dropped, but Assault should stay as it makes it into a Charge Attack, and Stag Horns allows you to grapple at the end of a charge attack

>>51101437
I didn't kill a PC because the player left the session after 2 hours, right as I was about to roll a CDG against his dying ass.

I auto-piloted him and he survived and the others are now mad that I didn't kill him.

>>51102134
It's got an interesting team on it, and it could be nice to recommend a book that gives more martial options without having to include the caveats or address all the issues that PoW has.

>>51102202
Of the current options I would go with court fey as well.

Speaking of, Forrest, where are the other pacts for betrothed? We need celestial, shadow, elemental, and fiendish partners to!

>>51102202

Kitsune style is better. Charge -> Dirty Trick(Pin) Full Attack

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>>51101437
>in a foreign land
>locals are mostly accommodating but overall the place has bad feelings towards our homeland
>party wizard is incredibly racist and meets a drunk guy of an ethnicity he doesn't particularly hate who is mad at the locals
>this convinces the wizard to single-handedly attempt to Manifest Destiny
>the DM doesn't want to shoot him down because the wizard player hasn't exactly been participating up until this point
>by some miracle we end convincing them we're diplomatic envoys
>the wizard insists to speak to the assembled dignitaries despite dumping con and having invested no skill ranks in anything resembling social skills
>ten minutes later he tells them he's going to take most of their land and enforce a tribute system to allow them to keep some of it
>as we run for our lives it becomes evident thousands of people in the borderlands are going to be slaughtered because we let this go too far and were too stupid to stop it
>the rogue and druid break into the weird socialist building where they kept all the capital's food supplies
>burn and mold everything to cause a food shortage with the hope it will buy time to mount a defense/evacuate

Things did not go well for the poor NPCs in that campaign.

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Suppose i actually aught to compile what the Demesne looks like.

Culdranth's Demesne

Culdranth made her lair in this cavern some thousand years ago wanting "A nice home with a view." The cavern walls are lined with crystals like the inside of a geode. A waterfall flows into the cavern, and during the daylight hours the entire cavern glitters.

While Culdranth has made her home opposite of the waterfall, her Servants and children have carved a city into the side next to it. The homes and rise from the lip of the cavern to the lowest depths where the waterfall pools. Curldranth's Demesne is traversed by a series of Cable cars, lifts and canals powered by the single waterfall. Food is grown at the bottom of the cavern at the shores of the pool. Despite being deep within the earth; the reflective nature of the cavern's walls and the waterfall ample sunlight reaches plant life at the bottom. usable minerals are mined from tunnels past the settlements expanding upon what buildings are already carved there. Herd animals like Oxen, goats, and sheep are kept for resources and food.

The Demesne itself is located simultanously in Southern Thuvia, and Eastern Taldor. It always appears like an oasis with tropical plants and a large spring water lake at the surface.

>>51102266
Doesn't pinning with Dirty Trick require Dirty Trick Master? Seems like that would be a ton of feats.

What will happen to the thread when all of these games die down?

>>51102308

Maybe people will start talkig about Pathfinder again.

>>51102266
You can't apply the same effect twice to intensify it. You get two different effects.

>>51102308

Another game will pop up in it's place most likely.

If not, things will be the same as always. Complaining, whining, shitposting, and playing bingo.

>>51102301
Is it open to the sky? Where does she keep her hoard? What's the most popular recreational drug?

>>51102239
I assume Avowed 2 is in its Very early test stages.

I will say I want a shadow waifu to.

>>51102302

Sure, but it's badass. The absolute coolest *unsheathes katana, teleports behind you* would be Dimensional Savant + Bounty Hunter or Skulking Slayer

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Does your party have an NPC that's been guiding them into key locations for some unknown purpose?

>>51102202
So what exactly is different between a Betrothed and a regular Avowed?

>>51102383
Betrothed get a companion animal representative of their pact to help with casting. However, their Aether Burst is weakened.

>>51102373

No I mostly let my PCs decide their own actions with little proding from myself. This means they get into trouble a lot more, but at least they understand why they are in trouble.

>>51102422
He just pops up and says something like, "there's a rumor of [item they would find useful] in [place]".

They think he's using them to unseal the BBEG but really he's just a bored wizard.

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>>51102383
In a nutshell, your aether pulse does half damage, most of your clauses are at half caster level for saves etc, and you gain your betrothed.
The betrothed is like a very very very light eidolon, who has all your clauses and aether pulse. If you or they use an aether shape/modulation, then the other can only use the same one that turn. It edits the pact bonuses a little bit to be more in theme with the duo, and everything else works pretty much the same.

>>51102411

>animal

It's either a cutie male/female representation of the patron, or literally the patron.

Hey can I get some suggestions or assistance for a gestalt? Do you guys know any full BAB classes that meshes well with a summoner that isn't the paladin? Never really mess around with summoner so i'm hoping for guiding hand in the right direction.

>>51102474
You the femGilgamesh from Dragon?

>>51102444

Nothing wrong with prodding or giving them plot hooks when they are stuck.

>>51102474
Scaled Fist Monk?

Hey /pfg/ need help with a build
I want to play a majora/skullkid style character
Only 3rd party stuff allowed is ponyfinder (dm is a brony)
What can i do to unleash the doom imp?

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>>51102349
Lua Culdranth's personal home is opposite facing the main settlement. The only way to reach her home is by cable car, or flight. Behind a wall of glittering opaque glass, The Queen can see the entirety of the settlement from behind it, but no one can see in.

Immediately upon entering one notices that the whole of the floor has been apolstered and cushioned almost like a pillow or mattress. Larger pillow like seats are scattered around the entry way for guests to rest upon. Some of these pillows are large enough for a huge sized creature to fit upon.

After entering, immediately visible is vertible mountains of clutter. Magical items, equipment and baubles litter the place as if tossed and shoved aside casually, the sign of a disorganized slob.

There are three main landmarks of the ever shifting junk pile of Culdranth's home. The Hookah of Space and Time, Her Bed Chambers, and The Book Pile.

>>51102453
So is this in another version of the Avowed book?

>>51102474
Bloodrager possibly. You'd have to balance your spellcasting in such a way that you're using your Summoner spells before you rage since blood sanctuary only covers bloodrager spells.

>>51102341
The games have really started to pop up when people realised /pfg/ loves masturbating to them, and then the game dies, and then /pfg/ proceeds to pity masturbate.

>>51102490
Uh, no. I believe you have me confused with someone else. Although color me curious.

>>51102500
I did not look at the Scaled Fist monk.

>>51102541
It's in the OP
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing

how can i make my father love me?

I wanna make a Pegasus rider from fire emblem.

Would this be possible?

>>51102541
Forrest is still cleaning up Avowed 1, and has put the beta for Avowed 2 out, which has the Betrothed but not the dungeon master, not till Avowed 3

>>51102563
It's an Unchained Monk that uses Charisma for everything instead of Wisdom.

>>51102590
Ah, I see.
I linked my DM Avowed 1 asking him to review it and decide if I can run one, didn't realize there was a second book.

Betrothed sounds nice.

>>51102512
Not really sure what you're looking to build when you say you want to build the skullkid, AFAIK in Majora's Mask he doesn't actually end up DOING all that much himself and the biggest issue he ends up causing for Link is throwing down the moon, which I don't think any sane DM would let you build.

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>>51102563
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4420260/character-applications/?pageforid=4468944#post-4468944

>>51102583
Stop playing Pathfinder, and try to get back into baseball like he always wanted you to.

>>51102587
There are a couple ways to do it, but the important question is what resources you have available.

>>51102611
It is, takes a little bit of getting used to, but it's good fun.
I'm in a game right now where I'm playing the avowed and another player is in control of the Betrothed, we've got to agree on the clauses etc we're taking and have been having fun with the interplay.

>>51102512
The problem is Skullkid doesn't do much on his own, aside from cursing people and calling the Moon with Majora's power.
Skull Kid himself is nothing more than some minor fey with really no notable powers of his own.

However, if you wanna go full Masked Maniac, then your closest bit is Mark Seifer's Masquerade Reveler Barbarian

>>51102587
Technically yes but mechanically it's extremely expensive and you're not going to have much variety in your action economy. In PF being a mounted melee rider, whether it be on a horse or on a flying pegasus requires a lot of feat taxes and I believe one of two archetypes from either the fighter or the paladin, I can't remember off the top of my head which it is.

Dragon DM! Could we make a character a cleric of the queen? What would her domains be?

>>51102653
>I'm in a game right now where I'm playing the avowed and another player is in control of the Betrothed,
That sounds cute. Please tell me the other player is your gf or something

>>51102651
>>51102665
Right now I only have 1st party, but in April my DM is opening the gates for DSP stuff and then other 3PP is on a case-by-case basis.

I'd like to run as a lance wielding pegasus rider once it opens up for 3PP.

>>51102676

No sadly not.

However
Chaos, Magic, Dragonkind, Love

>>51102610
Charismatic monk? Seems weird, but I will look into it. I never did see how unchain monk compares to brawler.

>>51102623
I have no clue why I didn't think there was not a FemGilgamesh somewhere on the internet.

>>51102703
What level will you be starting at? Depending on your answer you may not even be able to GET a pegasus.

>>51102665
Depends a bit on what you want to do, actually. A lot of the mounted combat feats are optional, although generally having an animal companion or mount is not. You could always simply refluff another animal from a class that gets access to flying companions automatically from level 1, like taking a hunter with a roc companion and just calling it a pegasus.

>>51102698
Wife, and she's fully enjoying the chance to play an entitled, bratty character for the concept. Lots of throwing little fits to try and get her way, then realizing she can't risk screwing up the betrothal and loosing all her invested power and thus quickly backpedaling.

>>51102743
We're level 8 at the moment, and based on how we've gone, I might be level 10 to start.

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>>51102754

GET OUT THIS IS NOT A GAME FOR NORMIES

>>51102718

Brawler is a meme, with the exception of the mutagen brawler

>>51102703
1st party is a little bit harder. With DSP material you can give your horse animal companion the Buraq archetype from Akashic Mysteries, or grab one of the 3pp class options that naturally gives a customizable companion or straight up pegasus. Spheres of Power is good, you can use the Conjuration sphere to just create a pegasus companion and then use a class like the Mage Knight with the Dragoon archetype. With 1st party materials, you'll need to refluff a hunter or a summoner, or grab that one Ranger archetype that gives you a hippogriff and refluff that a little bit.

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>>51102537
The Hookah of Space and Time is, as the name suggests, a Hookah and pipe that is roughly the size of a large windmill. Contained within is a shining blue liquid that glitters with stars and swirls. Queen Culdranth spends a good portion curled up around its heated base; smoking and releasing its multicolored mist. While the exact effect is unknown, the Hookah is said to give one insight into the inner workings of the universe. No one but The Queen is allowed to use it as it is "Not for children."

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>>51102754
Anon, you just made my evening, though in the morning I will now have to get tested for diabetes from how sweet that is.

Go in peace you magnificent man, may your marriage be healthy and long lasting, may the two of you have many happy and healthy children, and may you both live long and meaningful lives and pass away of old age together

>>51102782
I'm not sure if I should try to defend myself with the commentary that we're decidedly not normies (she collects the bad dragon teenie weenies for Christs sake) or point out that normies being in the hobby is what supports it and allows it to continue.

>>51102808
Twelve years and counting, but we'd both rather just get a big dog and train it right instead of having kids. Better for the budget too.

>>51102799
I showed him Spheres of Power and he focused on the Destruction sphere and said "that's too OP to allow".

Sadness.

>>51102610
>>51102552
>>51102500

Did you guys have any other suggestions on what might work well with it?

>>51102864
>I showed him Spheres of Power and he focused on the Destruction sphere and said "that's too OP to allow".
Is he the same type of fag who bans Barbarians and Paladins for being "too OP" in terms of damage?

>>51102884
3pp allowed? Because then there's the Warlord.

>>51102884
Full BAB is going to make the list you're looking for a bit short, so unless you want to open up to 3/4 the options given to you thus far are probably going to be your best bet.

>>51102849

>wife collects knotted dildos

>We'd both rather just get a big dog and train it right

.....I shudder to think what 'training it right' actually implies.

>>51102864

>all day damage is too op

when will this meme die?

>>51102898
No, he's one of those people who say anything first party cannot be OP in any way.

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>>51102802

Now don't hate me, but i'm debating replacing Culdranth's human form. The old one didn't strike me as "Motherly" enough.

I figured it'd be something like pic related.

Anyone here ever play or run Dragon's Demand? How is it?

Hey Dragon DM, I ported Dragonborn with my friends to PF, did you want it?

>>51102663
Hmm yess sounds good
Tell me more

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Y'know, I'm kinda inspired.
If things like Nations and the Concept of Self can have Pacts, then how about an Nature/Ecosystem (Esoteric) Pact?

>>51103014
You know what you must do anon. Crash the game with the most bullcrap 1pp options you can

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>>51103055

post it, i dunno if i'll use it, but by all means.

>>51102931
Yea no, not what you're thinking.
I did a stint helping train police dogs, and she loves rottweilers, so the plan is to end up with the biggest most friendly and well trained wall of doggy muscle ever. Once we have a big enough yard that is, apartment living sucks.

>>51103083
Regulars may have seen me post this a few weeks ago, we took every chromatic and metallic DB and gave it an ability score variation, as well as racial feats you can take.

http://pastebin.com/Z1Nfp5DF

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>>51103091

>she loves rottweilers

>wall of doggy muscle

.........

>>51103017

As much as i love the old pic, That one makes loads more sense.

>>51102921
>>51102925

Yeah 3pp is allowed. And I suppose I could glance at 3/4 options. I just wanted to have an option to be able to defend myself competently if the summons turned against me or I can't use them for whatever reason.

>>51103136
Nope, neither of us would ever screw up a dog or the pack dynamics like that. So sorry, but you'll have to think of a cutey latina girl in a corset getting railed by a dog while a white guy holds the leash around her neck and pets her with some other couple.

I spent all of my starting gold. All 150 pieces, down to the very last copper.

Did I do good?

Also, 8 wis character

>>51103222
Don't ask us, you'll find that out yourself when you end up playing the first session.

>>51102864
Wow, that's.... rough. Destruction sphere is actually like the weakest option in SoP, notably weaker than Kineticist blasts most of the time, let alone what a dedicated blaster caster like a Sorcerer can pull off.

>>51102884
Mysterious Stranger gunslinger?

>>51103217

>white guy

>hispanic women

STAY AWAY FROM OUR WOMEN, PENDEJO

>>51103268
WELL MAYBE IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE FINANCIAL STABILITY AND BIRTH CONTROL THEY WOULDN'T BE THROWING THEMSELVES AT US JOSE!

>>51103268
if you didn't want us going after them, you wouldn't have made them so curvy

and you wouldn't have made it so hearing them say your name in dem accents makes a dick explode

>>51103256

I actually forgot about that class. Guns in this case would not be allowed, but I think the bolt ace would.

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>>51103017

But... but... This one is good tho.

>>51101766
I want to romance all of the pixie's big sisters.

>>51103481
Her head is far too small, both by animu standards and by reality. Freaky spider hands.

w-what do you guys think of Ifia?

>>51103517

HEY WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OVER THERE?

>>51103573
nothing!

absolutely nothing

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>Post my application
>Get all nervous

>>51103585

Out with it! What is this Ifia you speak of!

>>51103674
Now you can sit in here with me and anguish as no one cares about your application you worked so hard on!

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>>51103017

Alternate outfit.

>>51103720

Hey, that makes 3 of us! Well, I still need to apply to RotJR

>>51103720
which app is yours anon?

>>51103796
Ryu and Aisha for Fluffy and Dragon

>>51101329

I don't see why not. Deities and Arch-Outsiders tend to have ridiculous types of magic that most can't even comprehend... I'm sure opening a rift in time would not be beyond their capabilities.

This is a bit of an 'Ask your GM' scenario.

So I looked at the Avowed playtest doc, and man, why the fuck is there a pact for otyughs? Do people seriously like otyughs that much?

What is a common half-orc fix?

>>51103800
One is a synthesis summoner the other a trap. I'm kinda disappointed anon.

>>51103854
Half orcs are not broken

>>51103888
I don't see why anybody would play one over a human, half-elf, elf, or dwarf. What am I missing?

>>51103874

Not them, but what's wrong with a synthesist?!?

>>51103898
why would anyone play anything over a human?

>>51103874
Well that hurts more than the silence.

>>51103898

+1 passive to all saves, darkvision, and weapon proficiencies is a PRETTY GOOD exchange for the feat and skill points.

>>51103850
>not liking the friendly trash dog

>>51103906
Because I like ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO SEE AT NIGHT.

OR IN DUNGEONS.

>>51103854

+2 to a stat of your choice

>>51103910
I'm just playing anon. You're fine. The trap part is atleast well explained and probably not out of place in a fluffy game. There's nothing wrong with synthesist summoner either, especially in high PB gestalt.

But still, both really are far from my personal taste.

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>>51103898
Don't forget flavor.

Sometimes you just wanna be green.

>>51103923

There's darkvision for humans now

>Dimdweller (2 RP): Whenever characters with this trait benefit from concealment or full concealment due to darkness or dim light, they gain a +2 racial bonus on Intimidate, Perception, and Stealth checks. Humans can take this trait in place of the skilled trait, also gaining darkvision to a range of 60 feet

>Draconic Heritage (4 RP): At times, a human’s family history can have a dragon’s power bound to the bloodline. Humans with this trait gain darkvision with a range of 10 feet and low-light vision. They can also ignore the Charisma prerequisite for Eldritch Heritage and any feat that has Eldritch Heritage as a prerequisite, but can select only the draconic bloodline with these feats. This replaces the bonus skill rank humans receive at each level.

>Fey Magic (2 RP): The character has a mystic connection to one terrain type, selected from the ranger's favored terrain list. The character selects three 0-level druid spells and one 1st-level druid spell. If the character has a Charisma score of 11 or higher, when in the selected terrain, she gains these spells as spell-like abilities that can be cast once per day. The caster level for these effects is equal to the user's character level. The DC for the spell-like abilities is equal to 10 + the spell's level + the user's Charisma modifier. These spells are treated as being from a fey source for the purposes of the druid's resist nature's lure class feature and similar abilities. In addition, select two of the following skills: Acrobatics, Bluff, Climb, Diplomacy, Disguise, Escape Artist, Fly, Knowledge (nature), Perception, Perform, Sense Motive, Sleight of Hand, Stealth, Swim, or Use Magic Device. The selected skills are always class skills for the character. Lastly, the human also gains low-light vision. This trait replaces skilled.

>>51103850
It's a weird option for what is effectively an intelligent animal; it'd be about as "odd" as there being a Unicorn pact, or a Dweomercat pact.

Forrest make a Unicorn and Dweomercat Pact for options plz

>>51103898
Bonus to saves with a Sacred Tattoo, decent weapon options, Ferocity is great no matter if you're a caster or a martial.

>>51103951
A unicorn pact would kind of make more sense, since they've at least got some mythological backing and stuff, you know?

>>51103938
I can't blame you not liking traps, but what is your personal taste if you don't like cute blonde girls?

>>51103942
>now literally everyone can get darkvision

It would be nice to see the lore deal with this, though.

>>51103942
Dimdweller only increases your bonuses in lowlight/darkvision, it doesn't give it to you outright, Draconic Heritage gives you garbage darkvision range, although it does give normal lowlight, and holy crap Fey Magic gives you a lot in exchange for one skill rank per level.

>>51103975
With both I meant trap and synthesist, not the appearance.

>>51103720
There are many of us here. Sohyon for Fluffy and Alaya for Dragon here. I'm confident about the former but not so much about the latter.

>>51103991
As you will. I thought I was doing something neat with my "eidolon", though looking back on it already, I may have treaded far too close to "main character"

You going to reveal your apps?

>>51103988

>Dimdweller only increases your bonuses in lowlight/darkvision, it doesn't give it to you outright

what? lmao

It gives you bonuses to stealth/perception/intimidate when you gain concealment from darkness. In addition, it gives you dark vision.

>>51104003
I think you have an uphill battle with submitting an undine.

>>51104040
...I really need to go to bed.

>>51104013
Sorry to disappoint but no apps from me. Just comfortably judging from afar. Already DMing a game and don't really have time to write off 2 nights a week+preparation off for ttrpgs. I also prefer more serious games personally. Both fluffy and dragon seem to be more light-hearted.

>>51104053
Yeah I know...but I like the character and I didn't get to play her much in the campaign she was originally made for. At this point I'm just hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

So how many /pfg/ games are there currently running/recruiting?

>>51104075
Did you consider that you didn't really give her a reason to go out and adventure? If I recall you kind of did the same thing with Sohyon, your character is just kind of living a quiet life and somehow has PC levels.

>>51104111

I want to say 5.

>HV
>RotJR
>Molthune Knights
>Fluffy Tail
>Dragons

>>51104173
>Everyone forgets Pendragon Academy
But why though, magic academy settings are the comfiest

>>51104211

Probably because I dont know what that is! Sounds like arthurian legends.

>>51104173
Is Molthune still going or what? I haven't seen any talk about it for a while.

>>51104227
It's RWBY inspired, actually, as far as I'm aware.

>>51104227
>>51104242
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute

>>51104121
I thought about that at the time and added in that she sometimes helps as a guide around the outskirts of the demiplane and runs errands to golarion cities but I suppose that might not be enough...I've still got a week to do some edits to add some stuff. I mainly see her as a sort of servant to the dragons and she'd probably take on a submissive (supportive) role within the party.

>>51104121
>>51104264
As for Sohyon, she's driven by exploration and adventure.

>>51104242

I dont know what that is.

>>51104253

I still dont know what it is!

>>51104236

Yes! Im sorting through apps and will be picking in the next day or so!

>>51104253
I would apply, but I would never be able to make a Saturday night timeslot. I like the idea.

>>51104300
Any chance of a hint on which characters you particularly like or dislike?

>>51104292
Well, I recognize that plenty of people see that as enough motivation for a character, but I typically go for something a bit more laid out, hence my apps.

Course, the downside to my method is if the DM doesn't want to facilitate the personal quest.

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>>51104320

I have not read them all. I didnt want to because there is a lot and I feel bad enough about not taking some 20 people.

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>>51102239
>>51102353
>>51102590

The rest of the pacts for the betrothed (all of the patron and symbiotics) will be dropped in a chunk when we get them done, along with any changes we're making in response to playtest feedback.

We've got Avowed 2 /mostly/ done, but it's like... A bunch of pacts for aspirant and betrothed that are partially-complete, and need internal review/testing/etc. Hoping to get Avowed 2's full beta sometime in the middle of the month.

We’ll also working on the first dump of playtest/alpha material for FFS' variant tech stuff, which you can expect at the end of the month. The January Patreon vote (which was only accounting for "smaller" projects, on account of wanting to work on the A2 stuff, and needing to adjust the plans around us keeping writing massive piles of material) ended after a week and the result was techbook. It won’t be mechs and vehicles, since we don’t have our alternate mounted combat rules to work around yet, but it’ll have weapons, items, and rules for power sources, using tech in games, and how these will interact with the existing WBL system.

>>51103850
Couple reasons, actually.

>Wanted to make it clear in a particularly emphatic way that Avowed pacts are /not/ limited to the normal supernatural contract-writers.
>Wanted to have an aberration pact on the list of stuff to write
>Friendly trashdog questgivers who surrender if you hurt them, complain about their kids when you talk to them, and send you on odd jobs in exchange for treasure

Why WOULDN'T you want an otyugh pact? :D

>>51104342
Yeah, 30 apps would be a lot to single favorites out before making a real decision.
I hope you don't mean that some applications aren't being considered though.

>>51104347
Yo Forrest, thoughts in what was mentioned>>51103080
About Nature Pacts, or would you rather not get involved in that?

>>51104365

Not at all. I plan on going through each one, back stories and sheets. If anything is off in the sheets I might use it as a reason not to take them regardless of backstory (dirty cheaters), but I will read everyone's, consider party comp and as much as I hate it, my own biases on what comfy should be for me to run. Just the nature of the beast.

>>51104387
Nature pacts are planned. We have pacts (or maybe subpacts) planned for specific seasons, too, if someone wants to go "I pacted with the concept of winter, let it go"

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>>51102155
>>51102192
Looks like Barioth Armor from Monster Hunter to me.

>>51104347
Hey Forrest.

In Monster Classes: True Dragon, why does Humanoid Form/Half-Dragon Form give an ability that works nothing like change shape, but only if you don't have change shape?

>>51104396
Well now I have to neurotically double check my sheet for math errors

>>51104422
I'm away from my computer with that PDF right now, so I'd have to check back later. There are probably reasons, I just don't have them cus it's 3am. I spent like 40 minutes fiddling with graphics stuff and now I'm going to bed, oops.

>>51104423

I mostly meant not following char gen rules. Dont sweat it too much anon.

If I could run 6 games I would

So, anyone have suggestions on how to build Aisha? The shtick is she's kind of pulling the Avatar thing (the cartoon, not the furries) and using the strength from her previous life. Plan is to represent that with my synthesis summoner half, building my eidolon to just be a guy with good abilities and stats.

Current plan is to gestalt with paladin, and just go full Knight of the Sun, jolly cooperation, etc. since Pally's also want Cha. But I'm in a strange spot with wearing armor I think.

Is there a better combo? Mechanically or thematically.

>>51104335
I guess I just don't want my characters emotional baggage to have an effect on story and would prefer to have the character progress within the game. I dunno.

>>51104473
Check out the Self pact in the Avowed playtest.

>>51104504
Melee Loracle
Get that sweet Cha to AC if your Dex isn't great.

>>51104504
I'm not sure that's allowed by Dragon GM's creation rules

>>51104551
>Melee Loracle
Mind giving the actual name? I assume this is an archetype of Oracle. Cha to Dex sounds quite helpful.

>>51101437
I tried to disarm a bomb on a moving train. That failed spectacularly, so I cut the train car's coupling instead.

I totally forgot the DM mentioned just 20 minutes ago, that we were currently in a tunnel.

Rocks certainly fell hard that day.

>>51101205
Hey. I was looking through the paizo website. I'd heard about the whole "caster superiority" thing and wanted to try to build a decent strictly melee fighter.

I ended up deciding on building a titanmauler, but I couldn't find any decent physical races (WHY DO ALL OF THEM HAVE MENTAL STATS INSTEAD OF CON?) so I built my own version of half-giants using 10 RP points (large size +4 STR +2 CON -2 DEX -2 INT get bonus to CMD) because psionics suck.

There might be an upcoming pathfinder game in my future and I don't wanna have to recycle my Life-of-Brian aasimar oracle character. Any suggestions/advice on running this character?

>>51104638
Lore Oracle
Not an Archetype, just a playstyle. You take all utility spells and use melee weapons.
The sidestep secret mystery thingy lets you replace dex Mod for AC calc with Cha mod, and you can also take the one that makes all Knowledge Checks use Cha as dependent stat instead of int.

>>51104655
>psionics suck
You're retarded

>>51104402
>theoretically you could have subpacts for every season
>could build four mid-level seasonal Avowed to have the Four Maidens from RWBY as NPC easter eggs and only one person in my meat-group would know

Yesss.

Also, will there be Mud/Ice/Magma/Lightning/Steam subpacts for the Elemental Pact? All those border elementals probably want a champion or two.

Asking again. I don't really like initiating but want an alternative to base martials. I've seen DHB's stuff. Has anyone played it? How is it when it sees actual play?

>>51104173
What's HV? Also, aren't you forgetting lazy princess?

>>51104743

Hells Vengeance

Lazy princess was a sham

>>51104724

Here's a simple improvement for all martials, requiring no new classes, archetypes, etc:

>Any character with a BAB of +1 or greater receives the Vital Strike feat for free. The Improved and Greater Vital Strike feats are subsumed into Vital Strike. When making a Vital Strike attack, the feat instead gives the benefits below based on the BAB of the attacker:

>BAB + 1 = 1x base weapon dice + rider
>BAB + 6 = 2x base weapon dice + rider
>BAB +11 = 3x base weapon dice + rider
>BAB +16 = 4x base weapon dice + rider
>BAB +20 = 5x base weapon dice + rider

>Any combat manuever (eg. Trip. The attack roll used for the attack is also used for the combat maneuver check.).
>Any (ex) feat or class ability possessed by the attacker that costs a standard or full-round action (eg. - Cleave, Dazzling Display).
>Total Defense (Gaining +4 to AC, but the attacker no longer threatens enemies until next turn).
>Aid Another (A successful hit replaces the DC 10 roll needed for Aid Another).
>Elimination of a single minor, self-induced penalty from the attack (eg. Nonproficiency penalty, nonlethal damage penalty, power attack or combat expertise penalty).

Does Implement Mastery make Item Mastery feats worth taking for an Occultist?

>>51104774
This isn't what I want at all. This doesn't really solve any of martial's issues.

>>51104769
A sham? There was setting info and everything.

>>51104820
It was an elaborate dupe. Something about a roommate, not complete and a social experiment

>>51104818

What are you looking for? Nonmagical cleric spellcasting?

>>51104818
So what do you want? Do you want all martials to be able to fly, teleport, turn invisible and summon other martials?

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what sort of classes/build should i use if i want to be a Tian dude front-liner who intimidates fucking everyone
preferably the 'stand and face me' kind and not the 'i appear from nowhere stab you in the back menacingly'

>>51104844
>>51104841
Stuff like the vigilante has. Vigilante social talents are great.

>>51104743
Hell's Vengeance

evil and lewd i believe

>>51104837
Aww. But I was actually looking forward to making a character for it.

>>51104849
Cornugon Smash + Enforcer is golden.

>>51104849
Vigilante poised as a vagabond swordsman?

Cavaliers and Samurais have nothing that adds to intimidate.

>>51104889
Also like eighty players. No thank you.

>>51104902

Order of Cockatrice gets superior dazzling display at level 2

Do you think about player conditioning?
The more combat they face, the less they seem to care about roleplaying or resolving things without violence

>>51104724
DHB can design decent mechanics but doesn't actually have a sense of how to make things /fun/.

Attempting to remove at will cantrips from his unchained wizards was the biggest recent symptom of this.

>>51104913
its already selected players and it has 6

so

>>51104849
>>51104901
>>51104902

forgot to mention that PoW is most likely going to be allowed

>>51104964
My bad. I guess I confused it with "Evil Game" which has 28 players.

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>>51104706
Give me helpful advice dammit!

>>51104992
>she's towering over the Orcs

What is she, some kind of Half-Giant?

>>51104992
>that tunic

Source plz.

>>51105021
RIS tracks it back to DeviantArt.

>>51104655
>>51104992
If you think you can solve the caster superiority issue just by doing a lot of melee damage, you don't even understand the problem.

>mfw we accidentally come across a fucking great wyrm at level 6
we noped the FUCK out of there

>>51105055
good you passed the murderhobo test the dm set up for you

>>51105093
the only reason we ran was because only 2 guys are from the original party, the other 6 are all on second characters due to our murderhobo antics and we weren't feeling a TPK

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>>51105021
>Post question about possible chara concept relating to caster superiority
>Get one reply calling me retarded
>Post pick of minigts qt
>Three replies

WELP THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOIN NOW.

>>51105032
I know they're still OP, but I'm trying. Hoping if I can do a SHIT TONNE of damage I won't be TOTALLY overshadowed. Hence large-size titanmauler.

>>51105121
damage has nothing to do with being overshadowed silly

>>51105121
>Hoping if I can do a SHIT TONNE of damage I won't be TOTALLY overshadowed.
That isn't how any of this works.
It will never matter how much damage you can do. You can't fly. You can't teleport. You can't do status effects. You have no out of combat utility. You can't CC. You can't not be overshadowed by casters as a pure martial using only 1pp. It actually isn't possible.

>>51105121
>WELP THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOIN NOW.
You say that like we've ever done anything else.

>>51104300
You're a student at the Pendragon Institute.

You're there to learn to fight the monsters which make living outside of the five major safe zones dangerous.

You wield neat weapons that are also guns.

You try not to die.

>>51105121
Size increases really don't give big damage increase. Especially if it comes at huge attack penalties like with the titan mauler. A normal barbarian with a twohanded weapon easily outdamages a titanmauler.

What exactly are you looking to do? Dual wield? Dual wielding is pretty bad. Especially Strength-based.

Really. Just grab a twohanded weapon of your choice, grab powerattack and pump strength. It won't go much higher than that. Mutagen Fighter / Barbarian to add a bit onto that, but it really doesn't get much better. Blade of Mercy(trait)/Enforcer(feat)/Cornugon Smash(feat) to add a bit of cheese ontop, but that's about it.

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>>51105148
>>51105151
OK, so I'm gonna be overshadowed. How's titanmauler play?

>have players be part of a mercenary company
>1200 men
>divided into four 300 man battalions
>divided into six 50 man platoons
>divided into two 25 man patrols
>one of the 5 party members is a major
>two are lieutenants under him
>two are sergeants under one of the lieutenants
>the players are were happy and just gravitated towards their roles
>gotta now make 4 extra lieutenants and 10 extra sergeants for their battalion.

So right now I have the following:
>Doughbelly
Elderly Orc Scarred Witch Doctor Lieutenant, Level 4
>Groak
Werebat Skinwalker UC Rogue Lieutenant, level 4

The available races are:
>Human, Dwarf, Orc, half-Orc, Hobgoblin, Skinwalker, Tiefling (free variant), Ratfolk

For reference Hobgoblins/Goblins/Bugbears are all grouped with ratfolk as a rodent like monstrous lineage.

Anyone want to help make mercenaries? Just an idea/nick name/etc. would be fine!

The company is called The Crow Men.

Or even a major would be great!

These are the level brackets for the different ranks:
>Sergeants are typically level 3, while lieutenants are between 4-5, and majors between 5-7, and commanders between 6-8.

>>51105194
Ah, cheers. I'll run a vanilla barbarian then. Still gonna be half-giant tho.

>>51105151
>You can't fly. You can't teleport. You can't do status effects. You have no out of combat utility. You can't CC.
You can do all of these as a 1pp martial. Hell I can do all of these as an archetyped fighter.

>>51105204
It's a cool concept, but very poorly implemented. Blame Paizo.

>>51104347
because the words "tech stuff" followed it, FFS became "for fuck's sake" in my mind.

I blame arcforge.

>>51105233
As a titan mauler?
Magic items notwithstanding.

>>51105247
Nope. It's actually a lot easier as a fighter.

As a barbarian you gave up a lot of stuff, especially as a Titan Mauler.

>>51104986
Evil Game only has 28 players because the GM made it only players can see the forum, and then posted the join link.

Currently there are 4 actual players and two applications to evil Game, with six character slots.

the fuck kind of damage does a wing do when it attacks?

>>51105259
Yeah that's what I was saying.

>>51105275
Unarmed attack unless it has the wing buffet special feature.

>>51105275
Bludgeoning

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>>51105233
So what can a fighter do that a barbarian can't? Keep in mind I don't wanna be a spellcaster/psion of any kind. I'm happy to be underpowered as long as I'm not a mage.

>>51105275

Natural Attack Base Damage by Size* Damage Type Attack type
Fine Dim. Tiny Small Medium Large Huge Garg. Col.
Bite 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 B, P, and S Primary
Claw - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B and S Primary
Gore 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 P Primary
Hoof, Tentacle, Wing - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B Secondary
Pincers, Tail Slap 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 B Secondary
Slam - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B Primary
Sting - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 P Primary
Talons - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 S Primary
Other - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B, P, or S Secondary

>>51105282
well it's a great wyrm so.

>>51105285
>>51105300
thanks

>>51105294
Fly as a mutation warrior with the Flight discovery.

Get something BETTER than an animal companion with an Eldritch Guardian mauler familiar because it has all your combat feats.

Or a ton of skills with a Sage familiar as Eldritch Guardian.

Also you have rage because you can VMC barbarian, with feats to spare.

With feats you can get Item Mastery feats via Advanced Weapon Training which you can use with any weapon you have weapon training with. This lets you teleport, curse people, fly again, and more.

You can use feats to give you two extra skill ranks per level.

You can craft major armor.

You can give your weapon special abilities on the fly.

Fighters can do a lot. You'll have bigger numbers and more utility.

>>51105294
Fighters can stack archetypes much more easily than Barbarians can. Relevant ones here would be Mutation Warrior, Eldritch Guardian, and Lore Warden as the big ones that increase the Fighter's versatility

>>51105332
>inb4 "wah, but this sounds like MAGIC I dun wanna be a mage I wanna be all natural MUSCLE"

>>51105294
Not >>51105332 but adding onto;
Fighter used to be pretty shit in comparison to barbarian. But then the shills at paizo pumped out Mutation Warrior, Eldritch Guardian and Advanced Weapon Training.

All of them are good and solve quite a few martial problems.

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>>51105332
>>51105344

Cheers /pfg/. I'm off to have a look at these. Have one last qt as a thank you.

>>51105358
A Mutation Warrior/Eldritch Guardian Fighter VMC Barbarian is absolutely fantastic. Especially a human one.

Fighter outpaces barbarian now for best pure martial. Heck even base fighter is pretty good now with Advanced Weapon & Armor Training, if I was forced to not archetype/VMC.

>>51105354
Common complaint from the types of people who don't want to play mages is less "it's unnatural" or "I don't want magic" and more, in my experience, "keeping track of all those spells is too hard/time-consuming".

This actually sounds like the kind of thing those folks would really be on board for--they get neat tricks that put them above and beyond just "dude with sword", while not having to worry about a shitton of spells and powers.

>>51105379

what armor trainings are worth more than a hunk of shit?

>>51105332
>You can use feats to give you two extra skill ranks per level.
Which ones? I know of Fast Learner, but that's about it.

why do people say how long they've been playing RPGs for when they apply?

I've seen people good from day one, and people whom even after twenty years can't figure out which die they're supposed to roll for an attack or skill in d20. I've seen people naturally figure out how to god-wizard with just a few sessions under their belt, and others who still need to be told that GTWF does not apply to their longbow's strength damage.

Other than "I've never played this before", years of experience, especially in pathfinder, mean nothing. NOTHING.

>>51105397
Steel Headbutt isn't bad

I'm confused on how natural weapons work.

For example, a Great Wyrm has bite +37 (4d8+24/19-20), 2 claws +37 (4d6+16), 2 wings +35 (2d8+8), tail slap +35 (4d6+24).

How many of those can it actually attack with in a turn?

>>51105439
All of them, as long as it doesn't move more than a 5 foot step

>>51105397
Going down the list:
>Armor Specialization
>Armored Juggernaut
>Master Armorer

For the iffy ones:
>Armored Sprint can be ok
>Armored Master is used so you can take an Armor Mastery/Shield Mastery feat as a bonus combat feat using the Advanced Armor Training combat feat
>Adaptable Training if you REALLY want an extra skill rank per level (but the advanced weapon training version is better

>>51105439
All of them if it's making a full attack.
If it's taking a move action as well, or if it's staggered or something, then probably should just use its strongest attack (the bite, in almost every case).

>>51105421
You're failing to understand the actual point, friend. People add that to their sheet as a form of appeal to authority - theirs. It's effectively saying "I've done this role play countless times and have gotten exceedingly good at it". You know; as opposed to those who are less good at it because they haven't done it as long.

What you *do* use this for is to tell who's shit and trying to bank on their seniority, so you can weed them out.

It's a good thing! Just... not for them.

>>51105417
The Advanced Weapon Training Feat to take Versatile Training

>>51105431
I agree with this guy, I forgot Steel Headbutt.

>>51105453
>>51105458
>All of them
Amazing.


Using a Red Great Wyrm as a murderhobo test. If they don't run away, they are 1000000000% dead.

>>51105466
A lot of people ask for how much experience you have.

Generally I ask people how much experience they have and with what RPGs, along with their favorite RPGs. I judge them based on their favorites.

>>51105421
See, I have seen people who have played for a long time that refuse to learn rules. However largely the longer they play the more likely they at least know how to calculate their to hit.

>>51105478
Well be careful with it
Players no longer know what is meant to be killed and what not

>>51105498
It's supposed to be blocking their path to a ruined keep, it's not looking for a fight and will tell them to fuck off.

If they don't, it will attack, but if they leave, it will let them go in peace.

>>51105478
That thing's breath weapon should be enough to one shot pretty much anything that doesn't have evasion.
It doesn't have to use natural attacks. If they attack it they're getting roasted.

>>51105530
I can picture it now.

>They're crossing the bridge
>It lands in front of them
>"Hey, this is my house, please go away"
>No
>"Well okay then..."
>One 24d10 later, they're all a pile of ash

What's interesting though is the Magus is currently the host of an ancient entity that would be able to protect the party if he agrees to complete a task after they escape. I don't know if he will accept though.

Can using something from another system add to the game or just detract from it? The only experiences I have with something like this is playing D20 Modern (which is 3.0) and the GM's big baddie had D&D 3.5 class levels and there was one monster pulled from the D&D 4E monster manual. He didn't seem to understand the vast differences in numbers involved.

I'm wondering if for a horror themed game, I can add to the atmosphere by making at least one of the bad guys something both the characters and the players themselves have zero knowledge of: the 3.5 Binder.

>>51105466
Really? I just put that shit down if the GM specifically asks, and usually just in as few words as possible. It tends to send a decent message across when you put enough to say "Yes, I know which die does what" without gilding the lily too much.

>>51105551
Depends on the execution. If you can convert it from 3.5 to pf, go for it, but don't just rip it straight from its source

>>51105551

>Can I do something while DMing?

Lmao what? If you aren't giving every monster the d20 future Extraterrestrial template you should give up your DM hat

>>51105589
ayy lmao

>>51105583
>>51105551
>the thing was an extradimensional horror, twisted and malformed, not obeying the laws of this universe

What do you mean, its stats are 1d4 investigators per round? That's CoC stats, not pathfind-

>as you realise what exactly this means, it's too late, and you are already caught in its writhing grasp, its tendrils piercing your body and sending you plummeting,screaming into its maw

>your players' faces when they realize they're fighting a two-headed bifurcated snake

>>51105620
>yfw it's just two snakes having sex

>yfw they come across a three headed trifurcated snake

>>51105589
I suppose it would have been better to ask "should I". While I personally think it would be cool, I remember how pissed I was upon discovering my GM had pulled stuff from other games. Though I dont think there will be a powerlevel discrepancy here, or if there us one it should be in the players' favor.

Dragons probably are more proud of just intimidating weak adventurers than just kill them

>>51105653
>bro i scared a party of 8 today
>yeah? i scared one of TEN

>>51105653
Really depends on the dragon. A good portion of dragons are CE. They are more likely to enjoy torturing the adventures for laughs.

Note that dragons are not the same kind of evil as a normal mortal. They are on the same level of Demons, Devils, and Undead. Smite Evil works on them. Aligned Dragons are EXTREMELY evil.

>>51105653
That's why they breathe on the ones who don't run.

>o-oh, there are adventurers
>I'll be able to scare them and get some fearsome reputation and maybe the cute blue a couple of valleys over might think I'm awesome!
>they aren't scared? but, but I did the roar and everything! if they tell people I'll get beat up more and my horde raided again!
>what do I do? what do I do?!
>oh, wait
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Any way to get free Katana proficiency as a non-samurai class?

Posting awoo in return

>>51105801
thats a pretty rare awoo.

>>51105801
Pretty cool shield--would that count as a light shield, or a buckler? Because if the latter, I think I want to believe that's what my character's buckler would look like.

>>51105801
Bushi archetype for warder/stalker/warlord

>>51105801
The contrast between the seriousness of the picture and the creepiness of what's actually written there really gets to me.

>>51105846
non-samurai. bushi's kinda count in this case.

What /pfg/ affiliated games are out there currently?

Dragons game is "erp" right? What about the Pendragon game?

I know about Molthune and RotJR as well.

Anything besides them?

>>51105801
Why all the kitchen knives and the flathead screwdriver?

>>51105815
That's a light shield. Bucklers tend to look like parrying shields, aka something small as pot lids.

>>51105886
There's Fluffy 2 if you want rep and autism.

>>51105801
>canadian samurai

>>51105849
translate for us gajjin

>>51105892
Nah m8, the differentiation is if it leaves the hand free or not. Her hand there still looks free to me, so it's a buckler.

>>51105887
It says right there on the picture.
"I drew most of these just to kill time."
>>51105901
From top left to bottom - "The smell of Momiji when she's washed."
"The smell of Momiji when she hasn't washed."
"No matter if you wash it or not, it still smells like Momiji."

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>>51105923
>"The smell of Momiji when she's washed."
>"The smell of Momiji when she hasn't washed."

Nobody likes the smell of wet dog.

>>51105801

Magus, half-elf, human, ninja, fighter

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>>51105946
>Dogbolds

Remove yourself.

>>51105956
Kensai magus if that wasn't obvious.

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Can someone proofread this for me? in my setting, gnomes went too far trying to manipulate processed magic crystals (radiation) and an accident destroyed their city and turned all survivors into ratlings, killing hundreds of dwarven ambassadors and leaving them exposed to other warmongering races

“Westington Schurtz, once the proud gnomish chief scientist, laid chained wrist, ankles and snout to the floor of Veterum´s grand hall. The ambassadors were led into the room, cuffed, As the high executioner sharpened his axe and Lord Ygdramar dictated the sentence of a whole race“

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>>51105965
Dogbolds are superior