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>>51107247
This has absolutely nothing to do with Pathfinder, but i have to post this.

There is literally no reason to allow Broken Blade.

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>>51107263
We can't let those Diplomancers walk all over the adventure.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo---witch-archetypes/rhetorician-witch

>>51107264
What alternative do you have to someone who wants to punch or kick things for a lot of damage?

>>51107297
play an UC monk. Seriously. You will do plenty damage.

>>51107297
Stop watching anime.

>>51107297
Fool's Errand actually works quite well as a replacement, I've found.

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>>51107247
Dragon DM here with a public service announcement.

RoTJR and Dragon game recruiting ends next week. 15th and 18th respectively.

Make sure you have your application in and spell checked before then.

Remember, lewd can help a character be more interesting, however lewd is just icing, not the cake itself. Don't confuse the two.

I love you all!

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>>51107331
No

>>51107417
How much lewd is too lewd DragonDM?

>>51107446

About 50% is usually too much. However that number can fluctuate between different DMs and campaigns.

>>51107417

Dragon DM! Dragon DM! I saw you changed Culdranth's appearance to something more motherly, why not keep her old pic and use it for Culdranth's court sorceress? Could go all sorts of funny and extremely lewd routes with the hyper-voluptuous magical attendant to an absurdly magical being!

>>51107557

Well either that or she has multiple human forms. With the old picture being her "work clothes"

>>51107585
Dragon GM.
Can my pc be hyper busty tianim?

>>51107640

Well considering that taninim Dragons are not mammals. No

>>51107585

>Multiple human forms

What's her "seeing a Consort" form?

>>51107756
Whatever she's feeling that night. One of those two though.

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What's up you meme loving fucks, is there any reason to take 25 PB over 32 PB? That +7 to scores seems like it won't utterly ruin campaigns while giving MAD characters even more opportunities to pad out their attributes.

>>51107326
Disciplines allow for more than just "damage", anon, not everyone is looking for just bigger numbers.

>>51107924
No.
It allows players not have to specialize in doing X at the expense of the rest of the alphabet.

>>51107297

You know you can use most of the melee-centered disciplines with unarmed strikes, right?

>>51107995

>Impaling Strike with fists

>>51107924
MAD characters should get a higher point buy than SAD characters. Let the fighter/monk/rogue/etc. have 32pb and the wizard/sorc/whathaveyou take 25 or maybe even 20pb.

>>51107924
It's not a multiple of five

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>>51108016
Fuck yeah.

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>>51108018
I've heard of some DMs doing this, based on the tier of the class.

>http://pastebin.com/5ekDL471

>>51107417
So dragon dm. What will the first quest be?

>>51108220
There will be a selection to choose from. Quests not taken will be handled by other champions

>>51108279
>There will be a selection to choose from.

Could you give us an example quest?

>>51108285
Assess the political strength of Cheliax. Read this as "update The Queen's political maps from 1000 years ago

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I need art/pics of cute merfolk, can anyone provide?

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Hey, /pfg/, been a while. To make up for lost time, I have the Healer's Handbook for you.

I read through about 2/3 of the book and got kind of bored with the somewhat unimpressive offerings. I hope you get something good out of it, though!

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>>51108488

2/36

>>51108488
Even the name sounds boring, but still thank you for sharing.

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>>51108506

3/36

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>>51108518

4/36

>>51108506

Ooh, I love this sort of stuff! Thanks anon, hope to see the rest of this!

So, I was trying to look through paladin archetypes and there's like thirty of them.

Are there any that stand head and shoulders above the rest? Please note, I'm trying to stab fuckers real good.

These pages won't load. 4chan's been such a faggot lately.

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>>51108532

5/36

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>>51108548

6/36

>>51108548

>Molthune does not have a mention
>Ustalav does not have a mention
>Taldor does not have a mention
>Land of the Linnorm Kings does not have a mention

DELETE THIS

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>>51108559

7/36

Yo /pfg/. My last character got beaten up by phantasmal killer so I got to roll a new one. Decided to make a psychic because they seemed rad as fuck and I loved the idea of being able to do inception on people. One thing that does have me confused is mindscapes. They're like vivid dreams, right? I can use greater create mindscape at the moment and I'm really curious what kind of shenanigans or limitations I have with this newfound power. Anyone done anything neat with it? Is it mostly just GM fiat or what?

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>>51108579

8/36

>>51108571

Cry some more. (Except for the LotLK. That's legit.

>>51108579

Is it just me, or is Milani showing up in every goddamn supplement released by Paizo?

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>>51108591

9/36

>>51108591

C'mon dude, at least Ustalav should have a school of healing considering they're all about dat surgery and medicine.

>>51108594
She's JJ's new plucky CG waifu, didn't ya know?

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>>51108606

10/36

>>51108614

But how does "she's the goddess of righteous revolution" translate into "we need her in this book about HEALING."

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>>51108617

11/36

>>51108559
>monk trades out extra attacks from ki for a somehow even worse wholeness of body
>the healer monk archetype is more vulnerable to sickness than a basic monk
fucking christ paizo what are you D O I N G

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>>51108634

12/36

>>51108632
You need ways to heal/revive your suicide bombers, bruh.

>>51108617

>Painful Cures

The description of that feat has some interesting implications, that healing magic *does not* normally cause pain or discomfort.

Comes as a surprise to me, considering a huge gash in the side should feel real gnarly when stitched up.

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>>51108652

13/36

>>51108634

What's wrong with her ARMS?

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>>51108667

14/36

>>51108676
They're made of rubber. Just look at those hands, they're debased.

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>>51108678

15/36

>>51108658

But the Milani archetype is about herbal medicine, something Erastil should

THEYRE DOING IT AGAIN, STEALING ERASTIL CONCEPTS AND SLAPPING IT ON A CHESTY HALF-ELF CUNT.

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>>51108692

16/36

Remember when the Player Companions had cool center spreads that were interesting or just neat to look at? Kinda miss those.

Speaking of healing, anyone notice that new healer application for RotJR? It's really cute and bittersweet!

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>>51108703

17/36

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>>51108713

18/36

>>51108703

>Vigor Points

Ten years later, we finally get a feat that allows martials to heal themselves.

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>>51108724

19/36

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>>51108743

20/36

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>>51108756

21/36

>>51108726

Nah, Godless Healing has been around for a while.

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>>51108769

22/36

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>>51108782

23/36

>>51108559
>Inspiring Camaraderie
>Competence bonus to attack rolls equal to class level for half that in rounds.
Neato.

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>>51108791

24/36

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>>51108806

25/36

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>>51108818

26/36

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>>51108836

27/36

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>>51108850

28/36

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>>51108869

29/36

>>51108850

Those are some really good bonds!

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>>51108887

30/36

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>>51108905

31/36

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>>51108925

32/36

>>51108850
Yo those are some good mercies

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>>51108938

33/36

That's the end of the material! I'm posting the rest of the book for posterity.

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>>51108954

34/36

I'll be back next month with this book. Hopefully the teaser is enough to keep you satisfied until then.

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>>51108968

35/36

Enjoy Feiya's dumb face in all its glory.

>>51108938

>Dat Halfling

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>>51108991

36/36

The end! I hope you enjoyed the ride!

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>>51108968
>it's another courtly intrigue episode
fuck

>>51108546
Check out the paladin guide, anon, it will answer your queries better than anon can.

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>>51108968
>>51109011

Actually, have another tease for that book.

>>51109017

>He doesn't want to wear high fashion

>>51108712
Oh, I noticed. Because I wrote it! It's not quite finished, but I should have the rest of the app done in the next day or so.

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>>51109030
>>51109017

Well, you're in luck. Next month is double booked. One last preview for Psychic Anthology, just for you! :3

>>51109062

That's it. I'm spent.

You'll love Psychic Anthology, or at least parts of it. See you next month!

>>51109030

I want it all!

>>51109061

Speaking of healers, you should try to grab the healing satchel mentioned here >>51108905

Maybe also Knowledge (Nature) to reflect her ability to get healing roots or soothing balms from the wilds

>>51108649
Owen isn't on this one. Expect everything to do with martials to be shit.

>>51108703
>Curative Mastery
>Mfw Fighter w/Barroom Brawler (and maybe Abundant Tactics) can use this to use Breath of Life as an effective full round action as emergency measure.

>>51108850
The real question is if the Injured mercy rounds of fast healing stack?

>>51109099
Good timing on Share Anon's part I guess; I'll add the satchel to Osanna's sheet.

Knowledge (Nature) isn't a class skill though unfortunately, so while I can put a rank or two in it, I guess she'll always be a city-girl at heart.

>>51109030

>Courtly races
>Courts of the Dragon Empires
>Orders of Chivalry
>Conduct and Decorum
>Courtly Regalia
>Implements of Rule

Please

PLEASE

>>51109197

Stay strong. The wait will be worth it. :3

So the one true way to play a pala of Kurgess is going Enlightened and always focusing the biggest looking motherfucker in a fight while protecting others with your face, right?

>>51108726
And it's shit. Auto fatigue for a minute? Seriously? and it's a standard action? This is out of combat healing and a feat is way more expnsive than a CLW wand.
Vim and Vigor is a feat tax, with another feat tax as prerequisite, Fortuitous Vigor makes it almost okay for a crit fisher, Take a Breather is only usable if you have ways to make an enemy threaten during your round, since it's a swift. Maybe a barabarian with CaGM? Nope, Fatigue will knock you right out of rage.

>>51109127
As a general rule, the healing never stacks, the duration does.

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>>51108532
So you can use Prestigious Healer to heal yourself and make anyone withing 30 ft. love you because you are just that good at taking care of yourself.

Also, is that supposed to mean anyone as in "any one target" or "everyone"? I think it is the former but not sure.

>>51109236

Yup, and being the ultimate wingman for the guys and girls of the party while encouraging them to keep up on their squats n' oats.

>>51108328
Oh right, She's nearly completely ignorant of the outside world.

Goodness she doesn't know about three major influential gods.

>>51108938
>If the spell effect does not normally allow a saving throw, calculate the DC of the saving throw this item provides as if it did.
But how do you know if a spell targets Fort, Ref or Will?

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>>51108594
Paizo has been infiltrated.

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>>51109354
I don't think that she's missed much. Unless she likes booze

>>51109192

She doesn't really need Nature, all things considered! Osanna's got a clear vision going on for the character and character concept, just need to fine tune the items and add heft to the backstory!

>>51109458
She slept through Aroden's death and the dragon meeting about it.

>>51108818
>half-price planar ally spells instead of venom immunity
Holy shit, sold.

>>51108869
>>51108887
>>51108905
>>51108925

Clearly you lot aren't reading these closely.

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>>51109079
Welcome back you glorious bastard

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>>51107417
Am newfriend

Would like some info on your games if possible.

Tanks

>>51107417
Is there room for someone who never played Pathfinder before? if yes were can I read more to participate ?

>>51107417
>tfw submitted de facto lewd that may have been overlooked as non-lewd

Also, your drawfriend delivered >>51109618

>>51109430
>Bad things happened to people I know so no one else should be allowed to speak of the subject
Somebody send these freedom-hating animals to PETA.

>>51109011
>no alchemical or mundane ways to better healing
>piles of shit for casters
>feats presented for mundanes are shit
As usual.

>>51109817
>>51109769

Im at work at the moment, surely one of these kind anons will link you to the LFG pages.>>51109819
>>51109819


Yey!!

>>51109817
>>51109875

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65144/of-dragons-and-yet-more-dragons

>>51109847

Imagine Paizo actually describing healing herbs and how they help.

Imagine them actually expanding the lore of their setting beyond new goddesses we don't care about or magical items we don't need.

>>51109924
But anon, don't you want new archetypes? Who cares about setting, I just want to know more things to write down on my character sheet!

Hecking DM won't let me play what I want to play despite describing our campaign as 'high-power'.

Anyone got anything they need to get off their chest that's making them pissed?

>>51109983
These ridiculously long wait times for applications are making me stare and wring my hands as I can't decide if I should flesh them out more, or if that will backfire because it will be too much.

It's driving me insane.

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>>51109875
Darn. Already have a long running game on wednessday. Looks fun but alas....

>>51109983
Molthune Knights should be decided already.
>>51110044
Just walk away and do something else. Unless your app is something absolutely terrible you're not going to make it any better by adding more to it.

>>51109949

I heard people wanted more setting info, so Paizo was wise enough to include information on the Elemental Planes and new deities to worship! They even gave us snippets of lore on such memorable and common races like ratfolk and Kitsune!

What kind of nerd would care about unique plants to Golarion, how can you make an archetype for Kingsfoil? Is there a magical spell for Darkwood trees?

>>51109983
Go on, anon, vent.
>>51109924
>>51109949
I don't mind archetypes, I mind almost all of them were solely for casters, that the feats for martials was shit, and my love for gear and gadgets goes unfulfilled!
I mind that lore and history went unexplored yet again to create more fiddly bits for the pf autismbux train.

>>51109983
I can't wallow in filthy lewd as much as I want to.

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>>51110065
Should be but isn't, the listing is still up.

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It's going to tough to make a random treasure table with everything coming out.

>>51109983
Shit is taking too long, and the group is in 2 parts, where one part decided to fuck off to an underground boxing ring for... I actually don't know why, because we have a noble's dance to crash the next day.

>>51110089

How filthy are we talking here, Senpai?

>>51109875
The time zone is a deal breaker on my side (GMT+1). Can't stay up until 4am outside weekend.

>>51108652
That half-orc is cute
CUTE!

>>51110080

You're such a nerd, anon! Nobody cares about lore and history!

Now, listen to me talk about my spunky CG fuck-girl with 7 Wisdom and her struggle to free San Franc - I mean Kintargo from the (TRIGGER WARNING!) evil misogynists while organizing the rebellion from a Starbucks.

>>51110080
DM advertised the game as 'high power gestalt', gave a generous PB and everything. I pitch my idea, a Merfolk UnMonk Scaled Fist/Sorcerer, and he says 'No, that's too crazily broken.'

HECK.

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>>51110056

Well i'd prefer it to be on Wednesday. However once the final group is assembled we will hash out the specifics. Including different days if nessisarry

>>51110065
Who do you feel is gilding the lily (or trying to polish the turd) way too hard in /pfg/'s recent Roll20 games?

>>51110187
>Monk||Anything
>'crazily broken'
y tho

>>51110187
Oh, AND I've been wanting to play a Monk for a long time, and it feels like Merfolk would be a novelty idea with good bonuses

Once again, HECK.

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>>51110116

>Dwarven cigars

I like how you think, anon.

>>51110137
hand-holding and cuddling while nude

>>51110215
I ranted a few threads back about how Kanela's backstory is 700 wasted words. I haven't read the new ones, but off the top of my head? Seht's backstory is too long, needs to be trimmed down.

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>>51110210
Dragon DM! Dragon DM!

What would you make if you were applying to your own game?

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>>51110272

>>51110217
It's more the race part, he banned me from picking Merfolk or any Uncommon race.

Writer's block is a bitch.

>>51110269
There anyone with an actually good backstory?

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>>51110177

It's not exactly an uphill fight.

>>51110260

I like the way you think, anon! You could totally make a character to indulge in that filthy smut for RotJR, you just need to be awfully touchy and find a man or woman you could spend long nights with doing that spoiler!

>>51110307
I like Onryou's

>>51110302

The best cure for Writer's Block is to play a video-game, go for a walk, watch a show or otherwise get your brain off the block.

When you go back to the backstory, have some music blaring that gets the creative juices flowing!

>>51110346
Will everyone please shut the fuck up about Onryou?

>>51110353
No

>>51110319
Is that a fucking sharkfin on his back?

>>51110348
I've been trying that for the better part of a two weeks..

>>51110307
That's a really subjective thing, and I prefer to place them into some categories. The best are flexible backstories that allow for a character to branch out while providing a firm grounding. Then you've got backstories that lock a character in to a specific path, but are still interesting. Then there are backstories that are just there, and don't do anything particularly good. Then there are bad backstories. If I had the motivation I might rank them, but it seems an undue hassle.

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>>51110348
This is what I do, I'm about to go on a walk right now. For me, I also play whatever hype music I feel like at the time, sometimes throwing on something from the Guilty Gear/Blaz Blue soundtrack.

The thing is writer's block is always temporary, and some of the time it's your brain telling you to restructure things in both your thinking and in your concept, which is something that I've had to do before.

>>51110376
You can get through it anon!

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>>51108806
>>51108818
>Druidic Herbalism
>Essentially gives you free daily potions
That seems a bit too strong, but then again it is replacing your Nature Bond. Either way, its bretty noice

Also, Nature Priests means I can FINALLY be an LG Druid of Erastil!

>>51110392
Maybe just give us good, middling, and bad examples. You already have one with Kanela.

>>51110373

He's whacky like that!

Did you know that the entire plot of HR is pointless? You're tasked to stop the BBEG's plot, but guess what? The BBEG fails to do what he wanted to do without any outside interference!

You heard it here, folks. Barney loses all on his own, the only thing the PCs accomplish is "liberating" the progressive city of enlightened Kintargo from those big meanie Chelaxians who might infect the inclusive city with their fucking White male evils.

>>51110373

It'd be the coolest thing about him by far if it was.

>>51110392

Why don't you find a "good" backstory and explain why it's good in the same way you explained why Kanela's was bad?

It's easy to tell how to make a bad app, but it's a very valuable thing to know how to make a good app.

>>51110452
Yeah. I need to do some stuff but I'll look around and see if I can break one down.

Or maybe compare and contrast Seht and Jan, I've thought of doing that.

>>51110392
this >>51110408

Also, do it after reading the new ones

What is /pfg/'s verdict on Ninja compared to UnRogue?

>>51110430

To be fair, you do save House Thrune the trouble of having the little embarrassment killed. And the trouble of having to actually rule that slip-infested city.

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>>51110404
>You can get through it anon!
It just feels like everything I write is garbage. I can envision the characters personality clearly in my mind, but when I commit it to paper/word processor it all feels wrong.

>>51110518

Tell us about the character, fresh eyes and fresh minds might help!

>>51110518
>It just feels like everything I write is garbage. I can envision the characters personality clearly in my mind, but when I commit it to paper/word processor it all feels wrong.

Holy FUCKING shit, are you literally me?

>>51110404
>you are now playing Imperial Code
>>51110430
So the end plot of Hell's Rebels is you end up liberating a city from Chelaxian rule? Is it a permanent thing, or is it "it's free now until they send a proper army"?

>>51110518

>Feels like everything I write is garbage

Don't be discouraged, anon! Published professionals write garbage all the time, and that rarely stops them!

>>51110477
Un Rogue fucks up anything it hits with sneak attack in ways that REALLY fuck it up, and Minor and Major Magic got serious upgrades that make the Ninja Vanish Trick bland in comparison (the Studious Rogue Feat gives them full access to all 1st level spells and 0th level spells as spell like abilities, even the one 0th level spells can be used at will, and the one 1st level spell can be used a number of time equal to int bonus). The skill unlocks are meh, if only because most GMs give them to everyone or they never get past 7th level. the dex to damage is the main thing - finesse trainign removes feat tax. The Book of Shadows talents make them much nastier.

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>>51110518
We all feel like that at times, your own writing often feels bad because you've already read over it so many times that it doesn't feel natural; this isn't an issue that others with a fresh perspective will have.

>>51110284

Actually, my character Amalthea would work pretty well. An exile from one draconic enclave traveling to another draconic enclave to try and escape from her fortune as a Black Widow kinda sounds awesome.

>>51110542

It's this weird bullshit reason explained by Infernal contracts and how the party uses the incredible singing magic of that half-Drow JJ waifu to protect the city and surrounding region in a literal "you can't touch me! You can't touch me! Nananana~!" Shield of bullshit.

>>51108869
>Still more Rivethun
>Still says powers come from "Muh Inner Conflict!"
So, if they drank a potion of Sex Change, would they have never become Shamans? I mean, its not that expensive either, just save up your commoner pay for three months or so. and "supposedly" its common enough in Golarion that it shouldn't be a stigma.

I hate this conflicting storytelling

>>51110622

>Literally a Mother of Dragons

You should include her as an NPC!

>>51110625

It's literally Crystal's pet archetype from her tumblr.

>>51110291
I mean at the very least, Merfolk ARE pretty good with 3 improved stats, no negative stats, natural armor, and a swim speed. The absolutely-awful movement speed should've tipped that back in your favor though.

>>51110641
If she's there im playing her. And no one wants a dmpc

>>51110684

Depends on the DMPC, really.

>>51108938
>Phoenix Feather
>Literally just Phoenix Down

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>>51110683
I would have negated it via Monk speed eventually. If I REALLY wanted average movement speed, I would have had to burn a Fleet Feat on it.

I just want to play a nice naga lady :(

>>51110705
Amalthea's not dmpc material. She's a good "5th wheel" and fill most party roles.

Besides, ive got better, less obtrusive, ideas for gmpcs.

>>51110740
Lamia commoner. Gets a swim speed climb speed and normal land speed

Perform Oratory would cover being a debator/being able to debate, right?

>>51110772

Yup!

>>51110652
Well, has anyone ever brought that up to her at all? Or is doing so grounds for [THREAD LOCKED POSTS DELETED]

>>51110740

>Naga Siren
>Nice

>>51110716
Yes, and?
>>51110740
>naga lady
You were trying to make a Rikuo/Aulbath reference, I know your game, you magnum bastard!

>>51110803
>she is anything other than 'nice'
>>51110806
I don't even know my own game!

>>51110785

I don't think Paizo cares? If it fits the lore than it fits the lore, and they're the ones writing it.

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>>51110622
The Black Widow's mostly fine, though. The Plasma missile variants could stand to gain maybe 5 damage to their DoT and the interrupt's firing accuracy needs a bit of improvement, but overall it does quite well as the rear-echelon it's advertised as.

Just keep them occupied with a tougher friendly to punish any attempt to focus on you, unless of course you're sneaking into their FCB to cap it as they start jumping for Gamma.

http://blackmarches.wikidot.com/lamia

>>51110740
>>51110769
>>51110803
>>51110806
>>51110806

>>51110625
>if they drank a potion of sex change they would never become shamans
Yup. Literally their power comes not even from no longer being "filthy penis things" but from actively "being trans".

I've been told it's as insulting to the trannies as it is to folks who like the naughty bits they have.

>>51110860
He would say no even more to that, it's probably a bit better than Merfolk, even if it DOES have a negative.

For one, it can actually MOVE.

>>51110824
>I don't even know my own game!
>making a fisticuffs fishperson with supernatural powers
>doesn't know about Rikuo
I don't believe you for a second.

>>51110828
Problem is, it doesn't. There's a lot of such contradictions everytime that crap shows up in the lore in fact.

>She struggled against the misogynist views of her people to prove she was a big strong independent wymyn
>these people have no such views
>but she struggled anyways

>You can get a potion of sex change fairly cheap as an adventurer
>But the NPC still sold a far far more expensive sword to buy one without asking for any change, in some desperate bid to save a lover from... blah blah blah blah

>you can just use magic, so really there SHOULD be no struggle involved because the solution is relatively common and easy of access
>but muh struggolz

Far as I can tell? Where Crystal and her lot are concerned, the most important, desirable and attractive trait of all transitions or nonbinary IS a lack of tolerance or acceptance or at least the self loathing: without those you're just another oppressor.

So I was considering what character to break down, and there's really no choice but /pfg/'s golden girl. So, Onryou Kaijitsu.

The Good) She's a solid addition to the Reformed Bully trope, a girl who spent her childhood fighting with everyone, but mastered herself with six years of training and returned as a peaceful young woman. In addition, her mentor is an excellent hook for the GM to bring in at his leisure.
The Great) It's nowhere on her character page, but the concept that she still has a childlike view of the world. This leaves her with plenty of space to grow, and so many paths, especially with the conflict between her oni urges and her monastic training.
The Bad) The Kaijitsu aspect. There's no mention of it outside her last name. We know Lonjiku is sensitive on the topic of adultery, but we have nothing about how he treats her. Her mother died shortly after she left to train, but that's not even brought up.
The Weird) They were gone for six years. That's a long time, but not enough time to visit 'each and every monastery and dojo in the Inner Sea.'

All in all Onryou is a fine, solid character, with a lot of space to grow. Her flaws are minor, or not so much a flaw as a lack. At the end of her backstory she's gone through a character arc, but is /not/ a complete and fully realized character, which is what a backstory should do - set the stage, then make room for the game. There are reasons /pfg/ likes her, and while part of it might be fetish or self-perpetuated, there's also substance there, a core around which the attention grew, and it's pretty good.

So what's with the stigma over Synthesist Summoners? Is it just because they're both a caster and a martial, and good at both?

>>51110860
Heyyy, you accepting multiple submissions for your game? Suddenly I'm wanting to play a lamia.

>>51108488
Was paths of righteous ever shared? I don't see it in the trove

>>51110562
>Studious Rogue Feat

Is this actually a thing? I can't find it on Google anywhere.

>>51110945
>You can get a potion of sex change fairly cheap as an adventurer
>But the NPC still sold a far far more expensive sword to buy one without asking for any change, in some desperate bid to save a lover from... blah blah blah blah
Anon, let's not be disingenuous, now.
When that AP came out, the less expensive sex change potion didn't even exist yet, and the one that did was at the high end of 4 digits, iirc.
The cheaper one was created after the AP.
>the most important, desirable and attractive trait of all transitions or nonbinary IS a lack of tolerance or acceptance or at least the self loathing
It's more like looking at the trials that come with it as a kind of catharsis for self improvement and building mental fortitude. I've read the same thing in literature written by marginalized groups the world over, and it's very prominent in Afro-Caribbean lit.
You are trying too hard to shit on them, anon, rather than letting the work speak for itself. I don't agree with everything put to pen, but I understand what it's underpinnings are supposed to represent. The end result, however, is rough and clearly slanted to the author's preferences on a situation most of the player base will not understand, and that is the issue.

>>51111002

Do another one! You've got a keen eye for characterization and tropes, which makes me eager to see a by more of your interpretation of RotJR applications.

>>51110542
Eh, the other Anon is making it sound way worse than what it is: the problems of HR are in the first three books where they assume you run a rebellion from the aforementioned Starbucks, and that everyone is Flounderized and the Big Bad -Barzillai, spiky armor guy up there- is assumed to have to act like an idiot "because he's arrogant" [sic. JJ].
The end plot is both about freeing Kintargo and the nearby region by exploiting a loophole in the contract the Thrunes made to ally themselves to hell, basically fucking up the entire nation if Cheliax sends troops en masse to reconquer Kintargo and the nearby Archduchy and about stopping the BBEG plan to become Cheliax itself, basically being able to move the landmass like it was his own body and acquiring demigod levels of power: also, Barzillai's plan does NOT fail by itself like the Anon above said in any way. In fact, you have to kill him TWO times to actually stop him.
I'm currently running the AP and having to do a fuckton of work to rewrite plot and tone for the earlier books (1-3, half of book 2 makes no sense), but stuff in later books is not-bad/good. Just relegate JJ's waifus role to the sidelines/annihilate them, but that goes without saying.

>>51111056
Basically, and how when they came out, they were mistakenly believed to be better than regular summoners across the board, and broke PFS games in half.

>>51109983
I'll be really pissed off if a character that was basically crowdsourced out to the thread makes it into RotJR. Dude couldn't even pick a name for the character without somebody holding his hand.

>>51111056

As I understand it, the big fuss came from underperforming PFS players who didn't like that a caster had options that could make them a strong melee fighter, despite the fact that a Synthesist was demonstrably less powerful than a regular Summoner (a Summoner has separate action economies for himself and his eidolon; a Synthesist does not). Paizo's decision to ban the archetype while keeping more ridiculous options intact (like the Master Summoner) was considered questionable by many.

>>51108818
>druidic herbalism is mega-Brew Potion
Holy shit that's a sweet deal. And you also get level 4+ spell potions? I'm sure there's something on the Druid list of that level that an Alchemist would love to make permanent on themselves.

>>51111255
>Flounderized
Do you mean flanderized?
So there was some built in cartoon logic to it, from the improbability of a widescale rebellion being orchestrated from what I assume is actually a tavern, and the main villain going full Wily E. Coyote?
>I JUST GOT WILEY COYOTE AFTER 30 YEARS FUCKING HELL
And you stave off Chelaxian forces because the fools made a bad contract? I thought devils were better than that, such a loophole has to be anathema to them, especially if the scale is the entire nation gets screwed.

>>51111276
Which character anon?

>>51111236
You telling me the people that eat this stuff up are improving themselves and building mental fortitude? Especially that last one?

The handful I've met, only one of them doesn't break down over every last little thing and blubber that everything is hard like no one else has ever had a shitty day (and don't you DARE have had a worse day; you couldn't possibly understand what's it like to suffer even though you broke your fucking leg and got fired for it).

It's more like they're hiding behind that stuff to get extra pity while doing nothing to improve their condition or themselves...

>>51111276
Yeah, It's pretty much the reason I'm not asking for help with my character.

>>51111372
The devils don't give a shit if Cheliax made a mistake in not understanding their contract; all the better to laugh in their faces for it.

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>>51111276

>tfw I got into a campaign after running several revisions through /pfg/

>>51111276
>>51111377
Yeah nigga, who we talking about?

>>51111398
I get the feeling you're just paranoid, anon.

>>51111408
>>51111434
What's the big deal about asking for help? Isn't part of this thread about discussing builds?

>>51111494

Beats me. I turn to /pfg/ for ideas all the time. And I steal ideas others post. I also give ideas when people ask.

>>51111494
Oh I don't need help with builds. The character can pretty much annihilate anything that blinks at the party funny. It's committing the backstory and stuff down that gets me, which I normally never have issues with.

>>51111494
DM said they didn't want threads filled with this stuff, I intend to honor that even if others wont,

>>51111539
So you're going to start shit-talking people but not see it through?

>>51111413
So, what is the loophole in specifics?

>>51111558
I'm not the guy who made the initial post alluding to a certain person, just echoing his sentiment that I dislike the idea of crowd-sourcing the thread after the GM said "pls don't",

>>51111598

What game and GM said this?

>>51111372
Yes, Flanderized, sorry: the books assume that you ran your "secret" rebellion in the open, with every quest-giving NPC knowing where your base is and who you are. The BBEG, a high level inquisitor with numerous spellcaster at his service, is assumed to not do anything about the rebellion just because he thinks he's so far above it, when he could literally scry and fry the PCs: this is exacerbated by the fact that there's even a possible good reason that could explain why he doesn't, but it's instead explained with "lolarrogant".
Regarding the contract the loophole was put there on purpose by the devils. Basically, Thrune and Hell are allied, but NOT friends: the devils are working with them for now to later fuck them over, and the clause was one of the ways to do that.

>>51111598
Wait, who is this "certain person"?

>>51111398
>You telling me the people that eat this stuff up are improving themselves and building mental fortitude? Especially that last one?
No, I said you see similar themes of personal growth in the face of difficult circumstances in writing the world over.
>>51111467 is right, you are looking for something to be offended about. I said flat out that it is rough, inelegant and clearly slanted to the author's personal mindset, which is what makes it poorly written.
But you are making it clear your issue isn't the writing, but the people for existing and whatever your grudge is against them. I think you need to think about whether or not it's healthy, and really worth your time to be mad about, or carry suspicions that someone is out to do... something that even you aren't really sure of.
As for the writing itself, I understand somewhat being a black dude, and I don't carry any illusions about what the average person on the street thinks of me when they see me. I could be upset about it, I could get angry and lash out at the people around me, but I choose to use it as encouragement to be a better man, every day, if only to spite the people who expect the worst of me because I was born what I am.
It's hard, but I do my best, and I think it has provided dividends.

>>51111377
>>51111440
Ossana Verona. After posting >>51097160 /pfg/ basically built the player for him asking questions like "should she be varisian or ulfen?"

>>51111539
>>51111558
>>51111598
People make talk about their characters not to ask for advice but to pander to public opinion, and thus raise additional voices to call out in an attempt to sway the DM that these characters are popular, and thus will make /pfg/ angry at the DM if these characters ostensibly liked by /pfg/ don't get in.

Also people make talk about their characters to ask for advice, but that doesn't count.

>>51111633

Who cares? The player is using the resources available to them.

>>51111625
I didn't know until this guy >>51111635
Said it himself.

>>51108726
You can tell it was written by a fuckboy because it also doesn't have any stamina trick.

IT'S A COMBAT FEAT, GIVE THEM STAMINA TRICKS.

>>51111624
>when he could literally scry and fry the PCs
So this AP you are up against a capable threat that could rek you basically at will?
What is the good reason not to?
Could the players choose to go full operator if the DM was playing to strength?
>spoilers
I dunno, isn't that EXPECTED? A business deal is business, after all.
>made myself a boilermaker, let's do this

>>51111633
>.../pfg/ basically built the player for him...
I'm assuming you meant character. They (the player of said character) came up with the initial concept, others expanded upon the idea without being asked to do so. Plus I'd wager that the sheet itself wasn't anyone else's doing.

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>>51111248
I've been thinking about this one for a while now.

Jan Mvashti vs. Seht

I'll start with a disclaimer. Jan is not a poorly made character, but neither is he good. Unlike Kanela, I don't hate him.

Let's start with art. You might not think it's fair, but the art is the largest thing on the page, and the first thing that someone will look at. And when we compare the two, Jan's is bad. It's crowded, with a garish color palette. Seht's on the other hand, explains why he's been described as 'comfy,' with a pastoral scene and soothing colors.

Now let's move on to their appearance. Jan is described as pint-sized, something we could guess based on his artwork, but this confirms it. Seht's appearance, on the other hand, adds a bit more. He dyes his hair, and makes his clothes, and we're told that he imitates Varisians, while still maintaining Shoanti aspects. This is an appreciated bit of characterization, even in a physical description.

For their personalities. Both are helpful and friendly, and both have quirks, but in Seht's case these modify his helpfulness and friendliness, while Jan's exist to the side, disconnected from the character. Seht's quirk is that he has attention problems and has difficulty talking to people. Jan's is that he starts fires accidentally and... breaks into people's houses to read their books? Seht's problems add depth to his personality. He tries to be helpful and friendly /despite/ this discomfort. Jan's quirks just exist, without a relation to his personality.

There's not much to say about backstories in comparison. IMO Seht's is too long, and needs to be pared down by half. On the other hand, Jan hardly has a backstory at all, just that he's an orphan who was raised by Koya.

What this leaves us with is two scrawny kids, but who are very different in depth. Seht's characteristics tie into one another, and there's a sense that a lot more effort was put into it, as opposed to Jan's, which could be entirely in greentext format.

So vigor lets me heal how much per day? Because if I'm playing a sphere campaign, I can take Basic Magic Training, then take Life sphere with the drawbacks 'Regeneration' and 'Cure Only' and take the talents 'Revitalize' and 'Greater healing', and once per day I can give myself Fast Healing 2 for 1 minute per two class levels.

>>51107263
Well, Diogenes can be said to be a 'fake' philosopher, just a troll, who provides nothing of actual use in thinking about the world, but lets people 'pretend' to be even deeper thinkers than others by using him as their standard rather than other, actual philosophers.
Sounds like Pathfinder mentality to me.

>>51111730
Also, I'm not the GM, just a bystander.

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>>51111886

Bruh, you're actually whipping out Color Theory for this breakdown, that's muy bueno. This is a really gosh good explanation on why people like Seht so much, even if it isn't readily apparent; people might not be able to really *say* why they like a character, but when you discuss the constituent parts the greater reasons present themselves.

This might be me being greedy, but is there anyone else you'd want to discuss and reveal why people can't stop talking about them?

>>51111158
Bookish Rogue.

>>51107247
Speaking of Diogenes I once actually wrote the script to a game that entirely revolved around Diogen philosophy applied to artificial intelligence. It was an odd experience. I wish I could have finished the project.

>>51112034
Is there anyone else that really gets talked about a ton though?

>>51109277
Nice thanks.

>>51110716
It ain't even. It's an emergency reaction thing which REDUCES damage.

Fuck, it doesn't even HEAL you, specifically just reduces damage taken. If you take 10 damage and it rolls like a 15 or something, that's not healing you get, it goes the fuck away.

>>51112088
Casimir, but it's pretty obvious why people like him.

>>51112088

Ricktor, Etan, Casimir and Shizuka tend to be discussed a bit, and whenever they're brought up people tend to say they're "good" or "solid."

>>51112034
Well it's what my mother always said to me.

"Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actualy think of any real reasons as to why the game is good, don't use it."

I have to take care of some more stuff right now, but if you leave some suggestions I'll do one when I get back.

>>51112079
>Diogen philosophy applied to artificial intelligence.
But how can a computer masturbate, or defecate in a theater?

>>51112118
People shit on Riktor all the time, and one of the people that compliments him is just trying to get DHB to stick around.

>>51112150
Or the ones that bully other applicants

>>51112150
And the rest are almost certainly DHB without his trip on.

>>51112115
Casimir's player seems like a swell guy (or at least, in my interactions with him), and the character looks pretty good too, so is that it, or am I missing something?

>>51111002

I don't have nearly enough blushing anime girls for this review! Thank you. I realize that I kind have glazed over how her family treats her, I thought the backstory was getting too lengthy, and I didn't want to rely too much on the family troubles so as to avoid cringe.

Blinding Ray Shot - does it deal damage or not? Ive heard arguments for both.

>>51112139
>But how can a computer masturbate, or defecate in a theater?
George Lucas managed to do it 3 times.

>>51112184
It's really easy to tell DHB's posts because he writes like an autist.

>>51112273
What, like belching out strings of numbers or long lists of arbitrarily arranged bullshit?

>>51112139
It was actually centered around attempted moralization of artificial intelligence. The main character played host to an AI. Each of the other main characters was connected to an AI and an attempted route to moralizing them, and a previous experiment the main character's father had conducted. For the main character the Diogen part came into play with "dog like".

So each was a route to moralization, a part of the father's past, and a reflection of the main character's AI.

Levi was the cutest, it was short for Leviathan as a Hobbesian attempt at creating a moral AI.

I had a bunch of stuff on AI life cycles, it was fun.

>>51112192

Probably to do with him being a mature widower dripping with "daddy issue" undertones for any girl that tries to pursue him.

>>51112118
How in the world is Shizuka "good" or "solid"? She's a nerd and that's about it.

/pfg/, two questions.

1. Do Swashbucklers regain Panache when doing badass things like Gunslingers do with Grit?

2. What're some essential Magic items that are under 3000 GP?

>>51112455
See, that's the thing. Out of those 4 the character with the most depth is, depressingly, Ricktor. He actually has some interesting things he's chasing after besides Ameiko.

I'm not saying the others aren't fine characters. It's just their goals aren't as interesting.

>>51111886
>mfw now I feel like my unashamed noblebright hero isn't deep enough to merit accpetance

>>51112222

So how does their family treat her?

>>51112455

Every time Shizuka is brought up, it's as an example of a solid yet admittedly bland character. She's got a framework with numerous potential directions for the character.

She's a nerd with a boring life, but in comparison to some characters with hyper-focused concepts, that's really refreshing.

>>51112511
1. not by RAW, but most DMs allow it
2. Handy Haversack.

>>51112523
>He actually has some interesting things he's chasing after besides Ameiko.
No he doesn't, unless a series of nonsensical and random Oracle curses is interesting.

>>51112511
>2. What're some essential Magic items that are under 3000 GP?
Oh man, here we go.

>Traveler's Anytool
>Handy Haversack
>Sleeves of Many Garments
>+1 Resistance Cloak
>Ioun Torch
>Dowsing Syrup

>>51112624

Him being a mortal retelling of the Romance of the Sun and Moon was really interesting!

>>51112525
Don't. Jan may not have much depth to him, but like I said, I don't hate him. I wouldn't in any way be upset if he got accepted. Not only that, but the reason why I picked on him was because there was such an easy comparison to Seht, and such a clear difference in quality. If I did a comparison, of, say, Rubio and Etan, two characters who also have plenty of similarities, there wouldn't be a 'here's how to do it and here's how not to do it,' narrative, even if one may be better than the other.

>>51112660
That's not part of his backstory, that was DHB's fanboy/an anon making something up.

>>51112624
They are related to his curses, but they are interesting. He's got:
>why did his mentor disappear suddenly the moment he got a clue to his curse
>where is his mentor
>why did his father seem to die at the same time his mentor disappeared
>why does the mark of his shoulder match the amulet he found
>who cursed him, and why
>evidence points towards Tian Xia

I mean, unless the fact it's related to his oracle curse means it's just automatically not interesting.

>>51112660
You mean something that someone else made up and that DHB never said anything about?

>>51112703
It's a plot hook, but not an interesting one.

>>51112726
Wait, what do you consider interesting then?

>>51112686
>. If I did a comparison, of, say, Rubio and Etan, two characters who also have plenty of similarities, there wouldn't be a 'here's how to do it and here's how not to do it,' narrative, even if one may be better than the other
Which one?

>>51112748
I haven't looked at them in depth, and it's quite possible that they're not different enough in quality for me to say.

>>51112686
I'm just suddenly feeling like there's nothing more to my character than "cute girl out to help friends and make new ones"

I need to close this thread for a while. There's nothing wrong with my character, and I think she has a strong chance of getting in.

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>>51112660
wat

>>51112529

The main thing i am going for is embarrassment and exasperation.

>>51112703
>why did his mentor disappear suddenly the moment he got a clue to his curse>why did his father seem to die at the same time his mentor disappeared
I get the distinct feeling your reaching for connections where there are none.

>>51112765
Who are you? Shizuka?
>>51112660
Some guy suggested Riktor be the reincarnation of some moon god that was banging Shizuru, a tien Godess or something.

>>51112838
I'm not even in RotJR

>>51112765

Bitch, your character is probably fantastic and a joy to play with.

>>51112800
Reading it he seems to try and imply a connection.

Like the dwarf who strangled another survivor he thought was a monster.

>>51112768

Lunar Oracle is a reincarnation of that Tian moon god that is in love with Shizuru, the Tian Goddess of the Sun and patron deity of Minkai.

Ameiko is an Amatatsu, who are supposedly descendants of Shizuru.

>>51112686
Well, now I'm scared to ask this, but I haven't seen much in the way of comments about Anja besides what I've spurred (and even that doesn't last long) so I'm rather concerned about the quality of my application for her.

>>51112765
Just remember, that it your character not being talked about in /pfg/ has no bearing on your chances of getting in or the quality of your application. Even the opinion of one anon who thinks your backstory is the best or utter shit means nothing. Your app is in the fate of one person, the DM, and nothing more.

>>51112764
I would be down for that, honestly. Might be fun to see what ways they could be foils if they both get in.

>>51113054
And that is why all of DHB's applications are shit.

Let's look at the three of them:
>Krugen
Weird cannibal dwarf running away from his past
>Ricktor
Weird edgy thief who can't lie
>Kurat
Hobgoblin gigolo spy

Literally nothing redeemable.

>>51113054
This.

Even though some anons evidently have a problem with my application, the DM is going to look at all the applications and pick the ones that are best suited as a party for his game.

Does anybody think there's a chance that any of the applicants for RotJR don't already know what to expect from the whole plot?

>>51113425
I purposefully read nothing but the primer. I know we need to do something about getting Ameiko on the throne, and we travel through the crown of the world, but nothing else.

>>51113425
I don't. The setting as a whole isn't something I'm greatly familiar with, so RotJR's plot is a mystery to me at the very least.

>>51113425
Chances are pretty much everyone knows what to expect from Burnt Offerings, considering how ubiquitous RotRL is. Anything after the first book of JR is likely up in the air, though it probably won't be too hard to guess the general flow of things even for people who didn't play it.

It feels kind of cheap, since I've recently ran through the first book of RotRL, but it was kind of a dull experience with the character I used and that campaign died shortly after starting book 2.

>>51113421
With the cacophony of voices that make up /pfg/ there will always be haters. Hell I remember a while ago one anon shitposted through a whole general about how your character was a whiny shit if anything bad had happened to him in his backstory.

>>51110404

>tfw you'll never get the opportunity to hit with 5 VOLCANIC VIPERs in a row

>>51113425
Literally the only AP I've ever played was a little bit of skulls and shackles, but I joined in at the middle and was only there for like three sessions.

>tfw cuteposting and lewdposting is going to end a week from today

It's a good few, senpai.

>>51113425
I've GMed both RotRL and JR, but still don't think I could tell you exactly what RotJRanon has in store for us. I think people here are mature enough not to get too meta about the experience.

>>51113425

Jade Regent is the first AP I got absurdly into researching after our exemplary DM started running it, so yeah I know that story back and forth.

>>51113553
Oh my sweet summer child.

>>51113553
It will never end, senpai
I won't let it

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>>51113553
I'll miss the days of memeing Knight x Mage duo apps, harvest festivals, and other cuteposts.

>>51113419
Hobbo Spy is actually kinda cool though honestly. The others are lame, but Kurat's got that James Bond vibe to him that really feels classy compared to the rest of his characters.

>>51113592
>>51113601

I'm far from a summer child, I've had more than one winter under my belt!

I'm just saying the stuff we've had since RotJR is a unique sort of shitposting. Before this the worst we got was Greta posting.

>>51113659
I liked dwarf honestly. He acted like a lovecraftian protagonist with the full on "freak out at every little thing".

>>51113425
Despite being so well-memed, I think I know more about Wrath of the Righteous and Curse of the Crimson Throne compared to Jade Regent. Burnt Offerings, on the other hand, is pretty much "as you know" for everyone though.

>>51113628

We can still have those, you know!

We just won't have "how big are her tits" or "she can fit *how much* in her mouth?!" Again.

>>51113679
You're a fool if you think that after the selections are made this general won't be plagued with greentexts about what could have been.

>>51113707
"She can fit tits *how big* in her mouth?!"

>>51113680
Ehh, different strokes for different folks. Krugen and Ricktor both smack a bit too much of self-loathing and negativity, whereas Kurat's got the general idea of "tired old spy that is nonetheless still talented and good at his job". He takes the common trappings of a "fantasy/romanticized spy", shows the reality of it, but then turns around and admits that the fantasy ideal of a spy is fantasized about for a reason. It's a nice collection of traits and ideas that just really hits well in all the right places.

I think Kurat's biggest weakness, ironically compared to the other two, is that his actual personality is lacking in-contrast to the very deep (but negative) personalities of Ricktor and Krugen.

>>51113707
And nothing of value was lost.

>>51113679
There'll always be other lewd games for people to post about.

>>51111886
Huh, that's a very good analysis. In the future, I'll keep some of these things in mind. Person who made Jan here.

Personally, I always appreciate characters that don't go into huge efforts to make a complex backstory because I'd rather focus on the campaign at hand. Keeping it open also keeps it loose to interpretation. The art analysis is something way out of my field, though, so it's interesting to hear - I just tried to find something that looked good and fit the concept.

A lot of the concepts do come down to lolrandom once really written down. It could have used a couple rounds of editing, but I didn't think it was worth the effort. Most of the fire stuff came from using the Peri-blooded Aasimar traits, which give pyrotechnics and a fiery disposition. I'm not sure whether that needs more explanation or needs it's cause and effect straightened out more.

Either way, I haven't gotten this kind of constructive criticism since I got out of college, this is good shit.

>>51113754
>Ricktor and Krugen.
What personality aside from "can't lie and likes Ameiko"?

I need to solicit some advice, /pfg/.
Do you all think that dragongame needs more male or female apps? My character concept is pretty flexible, so I'm looking to see what people think is a better option.

Is there a monster out there that are like, dragon-people to serve a Great Wyrm?

Or do I need to make a bunch of Dragonkin with PC levels?

>>51113949
Why not both?

After all the negativity in this thread I'm really hoping the next thread will be better. Fingers crossed for no kitsune.

I unironically want paizo to make a Sarenrae-only Inquisitor archetype based around having Produce Flame and Flame Blade as at-will SLAs. How badly could I expect them to fuck this up if they ever do it?

Should I homebrew a similar, but not religion-locked, version of this?

>>51113966
Generally kobolds serve in that role.

>>51114004
Why did I forget about Kobolds?

Thanks.

>>51113731

We didn't get plagued with those when HV was selected, why should RotJR be any different?

>>51113802
For Krugen it's probably fear, paranoia, and a desire to keep his history in the past. Listless wandering and leaving the country for long periods of time, but returning. Basically someone who was lost.

For Ricktor it's more a desire for self improvement and need for acceptance. The need for acceptance is why he would have stuck with his father, and then his mentor. Along with a fear of exploitation. So sort of keeping his distance but wanting to be close.