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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Have any of your characters fallen in love recently? Whom did they fall in love with? Is it just lust or true love?


Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/JTj1yEmU

Avowed Playtest: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
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Old Thread: >>50928989
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So what's the latest hot class I should love?
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>>50934600

Here's my home brew laser guns and laser swords:

I have variant cantrips that spell casters can attack with

So a laser gun is just a charged (or at will but it costs more) magic item that casts a cantrip
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>>50934600
Yes, my character fell in lustve with a beautiful catboy waitress and left him broken and abused on her hotel room bed. There we finished the conversation.

NEW TOPIC: Does your character have any special rituals or superstitions they follow despite not being divinely-associated? Like blessings upon the dead, or luck-related avoidances from their village, stuff like that?
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>>50934675
Have you considered forming your own opinions
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>>50934719

He believes if a hag looks you in the eyes she can steal your soul.
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>>50934675
Me, I think you should love me!
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>>50934600
Reminder that overPoWered is just homebrew material.
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>>50934761
I mean, they probably were brewed in a home. I imagine most material for PF was.
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>>50934761
reminder that Pathfinder is just homebrew material
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>>50934758

Should? Why should I love you?

I already love you, anon. From my heart of hearts, I love you!
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>>50934600
My female ranger fell in love with the princess, another PC. My character was well-traveled and world-wise but terribly awkward in the court and in intimate situations. The princess was inexperienced but headstrong and not afraid of love. It was probably the most fun I've ever had in a TTRPG.
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>>50934675

The Avowed.
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>>50934720
I very much have my own opinions. /pfg/ usually lusts over things I've not heard about yet, which is why I asked.

>>50934758
You are a weeb, not a class.
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>>50934852
>You are a weeb, not a class.
Isn't weeb a commoner archetype?
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>>50934826
Ah, Forrest's thing. Wasn't sure it was going anywhere, so I didn't look at it when it was first shown. Arcforge and the truenamer stalled, so I stopped looking at things not at least in playtest. I'll take a peak.
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>>50934758
I love you, anon, kawaii weeaboo is my favorite class.
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>>50934719
My character grew up in a village culture that feared the undead above all else. If she kills anything she thinks was sick, crippled or behaving strangely, the body must be burned, and someone must watch the entire process as it turns to ash. This is passed on as a matter of honor and purified transition to the afterlife (ie if you were disabled she doesn't want your ghost in heaven to be disabled eternally too) but undead are the root cause of the tradition.

Because she's a warrior who slays ill things all the time, it is normal and traditional for her to wear the decorated mouth and nose mask that hides her half-rotten jaw.
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>>50934871
More like a template that reduces CR.
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Big titty kitsune foxwife matriarch should marry immortal shota trap for love everlasting!
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>>50934885
It's currently in open beta - feature complete and being playtested. Also has a fancy PDF.
And the co-writer shilling it in the thread constantly. I just got so goddamn excited to write this, okay.
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>want to run a mecha game with the rules from Gonzo 2
>can't count on normies to aquire the book
>can't count on /pfg/ to not stir up drama
>can't count on myself and my anxiety-riddled psyche
Suffering.
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>>50934902
>spoiler
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>>50934779
It was brewed in the office
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>>50934902
As you gaze into the abyss...
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Let's talk about how your country defends itself. I'm reposting one that has been posted before.

So, I decided to do this for game as a "how the country defends itself from the fact there are walking human weapons around". Any town you enter of reasonable size, population bigger than 150, will have two gifts from the capital. These are a sending stone and an animated object construct with construct eyes. If the town gets into a situation that they can't handle they're supposed to take the sending stone and shoot off a message to the capital with as much details as they have.

In the capital there is essentially an office where the country has gathered every person of high level they have. They have people who sit around waiting for messages to pop into the sending stone. When one does they scry that town's animated object, who runs around to try and find out what caused the message to be sent. If they find whoever it is they teleport an extermination squad in, otherwise they teleport in an investigation squad.

An extermination squad consists of the following:
>the teleporter
These are just some class capable of teleportation, they also are normally a counterspeller
>Four group trained martials
Team work feats out the ass.
>A support/battlefield control specialist
A cleric/oracle/alchemist/etc.
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>>50934729
Can they?
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>>50935029
These six go in and attempt to apprehend whoever caused the disturbance. Failing that they kill them.

Their range, due to CL increasing magic items, is approximately 1500 mile radius around the capital. But they can double teleport for a 3k range around the capital.

In addition, if the first extermination squad goes down they don't send another immediately. Instead they teleport in a construct with a handful of delayed blast fireballs.

Then they send in 3 more squads with heavy lifter constructs and other equipment.

There are 40 squads like this in the capital. The highest level individual is level 16 while most are between level 8 and 12. These are people who have been gathered and bought by the capital, they're willing to pay a lot for such individuals.

To normal folks they're generally referred to as the Wicker Men.
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>>50934930
please, anon. Love yourself a little more. suffer a little less.
Go here >>15040182
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>>50934909
You should marry a shotgun for very brief love.
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>>50934982
Oh, definitely not homebrew then!
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>>50935041

Yes!
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>>50934600
Gonna end up playing this for my friend's Tokyo Ghoul-inspired campaign.

How fucked am I?
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>>50935029
As if that wouldn't get horrifyingly abused to unbelievable levels...

There's basically no transparency and they're the most powerful things around so they answer to nothing.

The entire reason a system like this would exist would explicitly be for "civil assets forfeiture": Anytime any kind of adventurer walks into town, someone will make the call, the group gets telefragged and looted, so no low levels ever get to become a threat.

No "good" would ever come of this.
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>>50935047
Go away, no one wants your literally-evil system. Go back to groping people at the airport and telling them you'll find drugs in their anus if they don't give up the ipad that you want.
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>>50935194
I never said the system was good aligned nor implied it was. It's an extremely authoritarian system, but often a needed one in case a town gets attacked by a dragon. Fast response and on call response has both its strengths and weaknesses.

>>50935178
>Anytime any kind of adventurer walks into town, someone will make the call, the group gets telefragged and looted, so no low levels ever get to become a threat.
It really depends on the intent of those who run the system and the assumption that those in town always get their way when they make the call.

Conceptually the squads don't have time to go beat up level 2-3s because they are busy, so a mayor who keeps calling about it is gonna get replaced. Limited funding/time. That would be if a good entity is in charge of the system, or just a lawful neutral entity. If a lawful evil entity is then yes, likely they find and loot anyone entering the country carrying a bit too much magic.

I find it very odd that in a system where actual angels do exist, and exist as hyper authoritarian beings, people can't conceptualize a good aligned authoritarian system. It's the same thing Paizo has a issue trying to wrap their heads around.

Just because a system has the potential for abuse doesn't mean it is.
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>>50935342
>Just because a system has the potential for abuse doesn't mean it is.
>he said in /pfg/
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>>50934719
If you see an orc, kill him
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>>50935342
>actual angels do exist, and exist as hyper authoritarian beings
In your games. In my games angels are libertarians, since they can actually trust each other not to dick other people around, unlike humans.
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>>50935404

What if you're just walking along the road and it turns out the orc is buddha?
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>>50935375
The thing is, it assumes the PCs can harness the system, or that the PCs are in charge of the system.

Or that the GM uses the system to abuse things.

At some point either a player has to have evil intentions and the GM allows those intentions to bear fruit, or the GM has evil intentions.

>>50935419
>In my games angels are libertarians, since they can actually trust each other not to dick other people around, unlike humans.
I mean sure. That more describes NG than LG. There are in fact NG angels, I always forget that.

I should have said Archons.

Just eliminating authoritarian as a concept tied to law seems silly. Libertarianism is a system that can be functional, but not a lawful one at its core as it relies on loose regulation and mutual trust in an unregulated environment.
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>>50935425
If he was Buddha, he wouldn't be an orc.
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Are prestige classes EVER worth taking?
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>>50935450

You want to see an example of good fictional functional Libertarianism, go read Eclipse Phase's Extropian faction. (>inb4 muh anarchkiddies). They're anarcho-capitalists, but the system they've got set up in their habitats works. It's all based around give and take and consent to interact with others at the same level; they have some sub-factions (including full on randroids, who are called out for even other extropians not liking them) with different specifics of the ideaology, but overall as a faction they *work*, because ultimately the different political groups in eclipse phase are opt-in.
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>>50935490
fun / fluff
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>>50935342
A good aligned authoritarian system is laissez-faire with their rules, and trusts that the majority of people will behave in a manner beneficial towards society a majority of the time. They are reactive, not proactive, in preventing evil from occurring, because the people who live in such a society are both not inclined towards evil as a general rule, but also because proactive measures against evil tend to fall into a morally grey area, as they require you to begin with the presumption that anyone can be evil (even when, in most societies, the vast majority of people are not).

A reactive and benevolent society with a code of law that is enforced equally is Lawful Good.

A proactive and beneficial society with a restrictive code of law that is enforced equally is Lawful Neutral.

A proactive and less than beneficial society with a heavily restrictive code of law that is enforced with an iron, uncaring fist is lawful evil.

(All of them tend to be fairer places to live than their chaotic counterparts, but there is an argument that a Chaotic Good society is better than a lawful evil society)
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>>50935490
Yes.
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>>50935490
for a some very specific builds, yes.
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>>50935514
Which ones?
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>>50935499
No I have before. I like Eclipse Phase a great deal.
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>>50935514
Really? Such as?
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Pal of mine is thinking of running a campaign, but he's inexperienced. Are rise of the runelords and shattered star good?
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>>50935490
Many actually. It really depends on your build.

>>50935536
Bloat Mage
Brewkeeper
Evangelist
The Hellknights
Horizon Walker
Master Chymist
Mage of the Third Eye
Chevalier
Sleepless Detective
Low Templar
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>>50935342
It'll never get used for dragons though; you need "attacks" so people still 'know' they're at-war/being-attacked/theirchildrenareindanger/therebeterrorists. The dragons probably get a cut.
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>>50935565
I don't recognize any of that. What's bloat mage and chevalier?
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>>50935530
off the top of my head dragon disciple8/bloodrager 12 is just better than default draconic bloodrager 90% of the time

>>50935536
Oradins are awesome to PRC into Holy Vindicator
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>>50935543
I prefer RotR. And yes, it's good.
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>>50935536

Technomancer if you're trying to get technology to not be utter and completely irredeemable shit!
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>>50935490
What do you consider 'worth taking'?
I took Student of War on one of my characters. Two levels let you use int for AC, which seems pretty worth it, but it's undoubtedly a gimmicky build, as you need 5+ BAB to get it and a high int to make use of it.
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>>50935572
What are you saying buddy? That the state pays dragons to make the people afraid?

I mean yes, if you run your game like that sure. I still don't get why people can't conceptualize a world where it's dangerous enough to warrant a system like this. Heck, golarion is a world dangerous enough a system like this would often be beneficial.
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>>50935575
Bloat Mage is also known as the Bloodmage
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/a-b/bloatmage

>Chevalier
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/c-d/chevalier
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>>50935342
Any law or regulation should always be carefully examined; the worst abuses of it - often handwaved away by those pushing for this legislation as things "no one would ever think/want/dare do" or "that's not how it works" are the exact intent.
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>>50935575
>What's bloat mage
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/a-b/bloatmage
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>>50934902
So did everyone in the village die and go on in undeath continuing to think undead will invade at any moment, not realizing they did get invaded and turned, or what?
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>>50935624
I mean yes. At no point am I denying that such a system is abusable. I am saying that because a system is abusable doesn't mean it is.

Libertarianism is a system with abusable features. Authoritarianism, Communism, Capitalism, Anarchism, etc.-ism do as well.

Every system both political and economic has features that are abusable.
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>>50935622
What's chevalier good for? Don't most martials need to stick it out for class abilities in their base?
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>>50935656
That would be a twist worthy of Shyalaman but I think it'd be functionally unworkable if too much scrutiny is taken to it. No, it's just her that's fucked up. She gets potions to halt it and tries to pretend she is normal, best that can be done for her meager means.
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>>50935710
3 levels for a smite evil is pretty great
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>>50935600
Anyone who comes up with a system like this is not doing it with the interests of anybody else at heart.

It's not that people can't conceptualize a world where it's dangerous enough to warrant a system like this.

Rather, it's that BECAUSE the world is dangerous enough to warrant a system like this that it's guaranteed to go horribly wrong. Even if created by paladins the entire system is ONE corrupt king, bureaucrat, minister, director or possibly even hitsquad member, from turning against its original purpose. And oh is the temptation ever there...
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>>50935735
For what build? Obviously Paladin doesn't need it. Doesn't Barbarian prefer more rage shit? Doesn't fighter want more advanced training abilities?
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>>50934761
Reminder that D&D is homebrew material.

>>50934909
https://nhentai net/g/182663/

>>50935029
Have you been reading Maou no Hajimekata?

>>50935490
Yes, but you might have to 3pp. Otherwise, take it for specific circumstances.

>>50935425
Kill him.
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>>50935794
in a circumstance in which you are not a paladin, but smite evil would be good for your campaign.
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>>50935710
No, not generally. Class features are good. For 3 levels you get a smite evil and other good stuff.

Casters taking not full pell progression get screwed over much more than martials just taking stuff for neat class features.
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>>50935783
In a world dangerous enough to warrant this system you require a system like this or have all your population centralized. Relying on adventurers to handle it is what gets your villages wiped off the map. Like they do constantly in parts of golarion.

Heck, LG parts of golarion have systems relatively similar to this that just don't make use of teleport.

I find it really hard to believe that you can't conceptualize good people staying in power.
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>>50934758
But anon, you have no class
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>>50935908
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Alright which of you degenerates did it?
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65224/monster-girl
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Okay /pfg/, I've got four ideas for a campaign for you chucklers. Gon' be generous with the character creation rules, not sure if gestalt. Hero points will be granted, based on your Charisma score (minimum 0). Here we go:

>Dragonriders on the wild frontier of a multiple post-apocalyptic/singularity setting.
>Students of sword and sorcery on a death world covered by hellish nightmares.
>Numerian adventures loosely based off of Iron Gods but completely retuned.
>Golarion: the Darkest Timeline (AKA "Kill Six Billion Cyberdemons).
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>>50936037
Doesn't seem very comfy desu.
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>>50936036
I have no idea.
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>>50936037
>Students of sword and sorcery on a death world covered by hellish nightmare

>Numerian adventures loosely based off of Iron Gods but completely retuned.


Elaborate on these.
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>>50935908
That's not true; commoner IS a class now.
We're not in 2e anymore
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>>50936037
Darkest Timeline!

In our darkest hour we shall burn the brightest!

Finally time to break out my Ultimate Destiny build.
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>>50934600
He fell in love and it's the reason he can't go home again.

It could very well be that he's promised himself he'll never love again - not because it hurt him, but because he can't trust himself with it.
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>Have any of your characters fallen in love recently? Whom did they fall in love with? Is it just lust or true love?
He fell in love with a noble woman. He was overjoyed when she seemed to love him as well, despite his blood being that of a commoner. She betrayed him. She revealed the betrayal in a moment she thought she was safe from his wrath. He strangled her to death in the gardens while her birthday celebrations were happening not a hundred yards away. He did not regret this. He wept beneath the moonlight.
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>>50936254
Did he not regret it or did he weep?
decide!
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>>50936263
He did not regret it. He still wept. He wept at her betrayal, not his.
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>>50936254
My character is a heartbreaker who people can't stop getting involved with.

The worst thing is, she suffered a horrible heartbreak herself a few years back that she hasn't recovered from. Having to let people down is really, really painful. It's led to her becoming more and more of a recluse.
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>>50936115
>Elaborate on these.
>Students of sword and sorcery on a death world covered by hellish nightmares

Characters would start around 18-19 years old.
Would be attending the Pendragon Institute in the Sanctuary of Camlann, one of the five city-states scattered throughout the world.
The Pendragon Institute is a trade school with a bit of higher education mixed in, meant to produce Adventurers, men and women with the skills to safely traverse the lands in between the sanctuaries.
Players would progress through their time as students at the Pendragon Institute, which would involve as much field work under supervision of a licensed Adventurer as it would book work, if not more so.
Magic comes from within in most cases, with the occasional use of Nightmare Crystals to supplement power, or calling upon the Red Dream for knowledge.
The Red Dream is the Gestalt Spirit of every humanoid who ever lived and died with an intact soul.
Nightmare Crystals form when you slay one of the Dreaded, and can be used to enchant items, power magitech, or supplement spellcasting.
The Dreaded are seemingly mindless abominations which break the souls of those they slay, denying them an afterlife and weakening the Red Dream.
It's theorized that the Dreaded were meant to kill the Red Dream, though who created them is a mystery.

>Numerian adventures loosely based off of Iron Gods but completely retuned.

The loose plot of Iron Gods, but aiming for a bit more consistence in the theme, and a bit more of a challenge for the PCs.
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>>50936338
So not date a Strangler Brawler Gestalt Serial Killer Vigilante. It is generally a bad idea.
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So who all has things in the wings for Dragon game?


What do you hope its gonna be like?
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Molthune Knights now has 20 applicants.

Separate them into 3 parties with 2 extras, name the parties!
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>>50936254

This is why commoners are nothing but filthy animals~
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The DM for the 1 on 1 RotJR campaign closed it.

I feel like this was probably predictable but I was excited for it.
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>>50936427
The character was a soldier. Which is why he ended in a position he could impress a noble woman.

The betrayal in question was she not only knew but directly condoned a strategy that was obviously designed to get not only him but his friends killed. It succeeded at killing one of his friends (another PC). She had been using him the entire time and revealed this in a moment after he suggested that perhaps they should be apart (due to his life becoming more and more dangerous as he made enemies). She did it as a sort of "fuck you" to him spurning her. He never found out why she did it because the person who could tell him was dead.
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http://pastebin.com/EawwZPKi

I like it for the simplicity. Cute little brother, runt desires power, coming of age, etc. I can't think of any way to really enhance what you have going on other than elaborating or hinting at his true origins.
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>>50936401
Give us a list of all characters.
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>>50936432
Sorry. I'm a bit weary of running APs and nothing but APs, and want to try something homebrew that isn't a one-shot, which I haven't been able to do in a while. I'm also... not "lewded out", but HV has me more covered than I had thought on that front.
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>>50936344
Okay, I was wrong, Pendragon Institute has some serious comfy potential.
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Would anyone be willing to a campaign where you switch between playing one of three characters every 1-2 sessions.

I have been conceptualizing a game. Essentially there are 3 interwoven story lines. Each group of PCs are feeling the ripples of the same events. They were be on different parts of the continent and likely not aware of the other two groups of PCs (though the stories might cross occasionally).

All start out at level 3, one group of PCs would be mythic.

The three would be:
>Mythic Group
Members of the The Crow Men mercenary company, the party along with several others were present during the death of a mythic hero and absorbed a bit of power after his demise at the hands of another another mythic creature, which he slew as he died.
>Mage College Group
Members of a place of higher learning on the opposite side of the continent. The group would be students who accidentally stumbled upon proof of a "secret war", which is essentially mythic individuals (godlings) attempting to kill and devour each other to reach godhood.
>Street Gang Group
Another group in a city far away, drawn into gang wars with a new group that has muscled into everyone's territory.
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>>50936508
It's alright friend. I just really liked the character I came up with so I'm a bit disappointed. I'd definitely be interested if you want to run a homebrew game instead though.
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>>50936394
Ive basically memed myself into playing Freyda.
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>>50936432
Running a game for you guys is rough, trust me. Last time I advertised a game here, I got like fourty PMs from witchunter-san and roll20 broke.

>>50936401
Nveryll, Alastor, Diana, Helvisia, Gleamgaze, Maximus seems like a fun group to me, but I don't usually think very far ahead.
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>>50936488
1. Di, the Fox of Fort Ramgate
2. Helvisia Talan, Knight of Molthune
3. "One-Eyed" Jack Thompson
4. Sir Emeric Silva, Owl Knight
5. Sir Adalbern Sigurdsson
6. Elio Scutari
7. Sir Darius of Wydwood
8. Gerald, the Iron Prophet
9. Sir Kurat Maar
10. Len Gleamgaze, the Halfling Lord
11. Lady Chara Teswind
12. Alastor 'Twiceborn' Vales
13. Diana Blutham, the Huntress
14. Prince Aeron Bastion the Third
15. Dame Lynn Minett, the Peace for Those at War
16. Maximus Brightblade, The Scarlet Skirmisher
17. Lady Liviana Montanari of Molthune
18. Nveryll 'Attor', of House Attor
19. Major Nienke Comburetur, Imperial Army of Molthune
20. Mlle. Alexandrine "Sasha" Proulx II, Vicomptess de Lemarteau
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>>50936571
>witchunter-san
Who?
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>>50936591
We're still waiting for big titty kitsune foxwife matriarch!
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>>50936394
>So who all has things in the wings for Dragon game?

I'm making a Dragonslayer!

An Avowed (Elemental) | Warder (ZS) who's basically the meat-puppet of a lightning elemental keeping the ole neurons firing with the proper application of voltage to the CNS.
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So i'm playing a trickstery sorcerer, but of course diplomacy, bluff, and perform aren't class skills. Any way i can remedy this?
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>>50936037
>>50936344
Pendragon Institute sounds like a lot of fun! It'd be a great chance to play an Occultist or Alchemist, by the sounds of it.
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>>50936614
Dragonslayer sounds like a potentially problematic occupation.
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>>50936394
I thought about throwing Nveryll in there too, but I don't really like In the Company of Dragons. The PDF is a headache to read, even if that class is better and more flexible.

That, and I'm... well, I'm not a nonlewd person, but my idea of lewd does NOT match up with anyone else's usually.
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>>50936621
Traits is a good way. Or fey thoughts alternate race feature if you race has it.
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>want to homebrew a bunch of stuff for animal companions and familiars
>realization that I don't have nearly enough content for this to feel like it's satisfying enough to "publish"
>even as shitty homebrew

guess I'll just do as much as I can and throw it into the pile with all the others.
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>>50936644
Which traits? I'm retarded.
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>>50936643

Well to be technical, You can be as lewd as you want, you just cant have sex on screen.
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>>50936640

On the contrary, it's incredibly useful for a dragon to have a dragonslayer around when he wants to kill a rival, or protect himself from one.

Dragons know how dragons think, but they can't fathom how a human does. Men keep dogs to protect them from men, why should dragons be any different?
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>>50936658
In the pastebin there is a trait guide for this.
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>>50936610
>still no big tit kitsune gf to breastfeed me
LIFE
IS
CRUEL
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>>50936659
Yes, perhaps.

We'll see if my Wednesdays clear up any.
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>>50936668
Well as I gather, the Queen DOES have humans around, but I dunno if theres been any contact between her and the outside world in ages.
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>>50936684
Delete yourself.
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>>50936707
i've considered it
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>>50936684
How big are we talking?
F for Fox?
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>>50936695

>I dunno if theres been any contact between her and the outside world in ages.

You... You bring up a good point there, I was expecting this was a sort of "trickle" type deal where someone would occasionally show up in the Demesne and possibly become a regular in the demiplane. The character was going to be in Southern Thuvia when he "died", which is where one of the openings to the demiplane is, I was hoping it might translate into him being taken in!
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>>50936591
Rather than do full groups I'll do a pair of subgroups I want to see.
Di, Kurat, Alastor, Diana.
Maximus, Gerald, Lynn, Chara.
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>>50936716
the more they squish my face, the better
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>>50936684
Big titty kitsune is not for milking.
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>>50936695

Dragon DM here,

The demographics kinda work like 20% dragon, 60% Dragonblooded humans (Anywhere between full hybrid to Octaroon Dragons), 10% regular humans, 5% Kobold, 5% other.


A new human or human family stumbles upon the Demesne every 10 to 15 years. They usually never leave.
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>>50936723
>>50936591
Kurat, Alastor, and Diana are a great subgroup just for the fact that Kurat has dealt with kids so much in his life. Also because of Alastor's 8 wisdom.
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>>50936621
Extremely Fashionable. Ease of Faith. Dilettante Artist. Woodland Diplomat.
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>>50936734
fuck off yes she is
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>>50936736
How do you feel about 3.5e dragonstuff? Metabreath feats seem fucking ridonkulous.
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>>50936758
And Kurat and Di have probably fucked! Who are the other kids who could be under fox mom and hobgob dad? Lynn and Nveryll?
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>>50936552
I'm guessing that's a no.
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>>50936767

Milking implies she's been having kids recently, and she hasn't.
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>>50936783
>fox mom
Di is the equivalent of a teenager for her species.

Kurat is the equivalent of 60 for his.

Kurat is elderly and the only character that is.
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>>50936394
Napoleonic (or possibly rimmer-ish) bullet-hell dragon here.

I'd rather things 'fade to black' or go to PMs personally on the 'lewd' front; Innuendo's certainly no issue, but if two people start sounding like it's 4.95 a minute that's just begging to find some way to make the interruption hilarious in some way.
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>>50936799
no it doesn't actually
you can induce lactation without ever being pregnant
you think this is a motherfucking game?
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>>50936736
So even with the occasional human, most of the time they'll end up with draconic descendents too
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>>50936811

So what, you're saying there's an "Induce lactation" spell or something? An incantation that makes your breasts get sensitive and leak?
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>>50936835
No you can actually just do it with medicine.
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>>50936819

Most likely, That said, the draconic blood can get so diluted that it probably just manifests in odd colored eyes or hair. maybe a few well hidden scales.
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>>50936835
talking about real life senpai
enough stimulation can cause it
there are drugs in our world that make it easier
i'm sure an alchemist or a horny wizard could work something out
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>>50936736

Hey DM! What are the types of characters or races you're looking forward to or *really* want to see? How do you feel about the character concepts being thrown around here!
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>>50936526
>>50936638

Alright, it's settled then. I'll have a game up as soon as I have the deets on Camlann, Caliburn Combined Arms, and the Pendragon Institute written up proper.

Religion is less important, but it's probably good to know that there are 2 other True Gods (the Luminous Song and the Sacred Void), which are the "faces" the Red Dream sometimes wears, and numerous False Gods beneath either lesser True God (but an equal number). Those beneath the Sacred Void embody those traits which humaniods have deemed "evil" (led by the God of Hate and Goddess of Vengeance), while those beneath the Luminous Song embody those traits which humanoids deemed "good" (led by the Goddess of Love and the God of Justice).

The God of Hate is probably the most reasonable God in the setting.
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>>50936037
CYBERDEMONS
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>>50936857
You can certainly keep it going quite a while from stimulation even after the kids are weaned. Not exactly skim, though. Decent with nesquik, not so good with cereal.
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>>50934600
I have a player's character currently in a friends-with-benefits relationship with the BBEG. To him it's just lust but the giantess is slowly falling for his cute wounded soldier act and wants to give him a purpose for living [serving her]. When she finishes her plans to ascend to godhood she plans to make him her herald or a semi-divine fuck boy for all eternity.
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>>50936898
yeah i know, gf wants kids, i said i will if she does this in return
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>>50936800
>equivalent of a teenager for her species
Really frustrates me when people say this. Forty year old elves are not developmentally the same as a five year old humans, and experienced isn't the same as elderly.
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>>50936037

Darkest Timeline.

Level 15.

We are the Last, Greatest Hope of Golarion. Each of us is a champion of our people, united by circumstance and forged in adversity!
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jesus christ
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>>50936912
Yes, but they do not develop mentally like humans either. She is not going to act like a teenager. However she will not act like someone in her 70s either. She is not physically in her 70s. Characters in pathfinder change both physically and mentally as they age (their stats change).

She is not elderly, Kurat is and would likely act it. Or are you expecting her to act like someone in their 70s?
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>>50936868

I wanna see Monster Hunters, GENETIC FREAKS, and Haughty Mages.

I wanna see Draconic Overlords just starting out. I wanna see Dragon Riders bonding with their partners. I wanna see something that seem to fit the theme of dragons, but actually completely misses the point.

I WANT IT ALL. I WANT IT ALL. I WANT IT ALL. AND I WANT IT NOW!
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>>50936936
how would you stat him?
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>>50936936
He has no place in this land!
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could we like...try to make this a place that my boss could look at without then subsequently reporting me to the FBI?
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>>50936971
No.
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>>50936971

SHouldn't be browsing at work johnson. you got work to do!
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>>50936036
Oh man, I saw that yesterday. He's running another game as well, it seems. I contemplated making a eunuch human paladin to Deus Vult, but decided not to shit on somebody else's fun just because I thought it was stupid.
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So a hobgoblin tribe terrorizing a village is listed at this:
>tribe (25+ plus 50% noncombatants, 1 sergeant of 3rd level per 20 adults, 1 or 2 lieutenants of 4th or 5th level, 1 leader of 6th–8th level, 6–12 leopards, and 1–4 ogres or 1–2 trolls)
Goblins are listed at:
> tribe (17+ plus 100% noncombatants; 1 sergeant of 3rd level per 20 adults; 1 or 2 lieutenants of 4th or 5th level; 1 leader of 6th–8th level; and 10–40 goblin dogs, wolves, or worgs)

Neither seem exactly overcome able by a level 1 party. Namely the level 8 commanders.
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>>50936947
Since I'm her player, I'm expecting her to act like someone in her 50s.
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>>50936971
nah
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>>50936983
...correct? Are you going somewhere with this?
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>>50936971
Nope.
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>>50936992
It seems that the whole "level 1 deal with a goblin invasion" doesn't seem very realistic as a tribe of either hobgoblins or goblins will kick the teeth in of level 1 PCs.

Mainly the singular high level individuals, or the high CR monsters they bring with them. How do level 1 PCs deal with such threats? Or can they only save villages from tiny bands of goblins.
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>>50936971
Right. No one use the P-word, you pervs are all just lolicons.
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no but fucking seriously I have a TS clearance and I'm thinking that hanging out with you guys may compromise it.

can we keep the weird sexual stuff and sex roleplay to a minimum or put it in a different thread?
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>tfw I have the most forgettable character for molthuni knights
>tfw I spent days on the concept
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>>50937016
no
i come here to make odd posts about my specific fetishes because the reactions amuse me
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>>50936998

That's a really cute dress!
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>>50936936
He can't save us now.

Nothing can save us now.
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>>50937021
Darius?
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>>50936621
One level of Bard
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>>50937016
It's hardly our fault if you use a work computer or work-time to go onto 4chan, yo.
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>>50936971
Well, uh, technically, nah.

I mean, it's 4chan, that alone is enough.
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We need to post smiles you should want to protect.
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>>50937034
Adalbern
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>>50936621
Just ignore it and enjoy having the highest social stats in the game due to being SAD.

If you want to pump them higher add some items or traits or something. "Trained" is just a +3.
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>>50937013
>How do level 1 PCs deal with such threats?
1. Don't fight them directly, git gud instead.
2. If you are unable to git gud, don't fight them at all.
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I am deciding on a humanoid form for my LE Green Dragon Exemplar/Wizard.

It thus far is a relatively difficult decision. The easy one would just be "human", however I am also considering elf. Part of me, for some reason, is saying Orc as well.

Though I can choose any humanoid I would with Alter Self, so I am not limited to playable humanoids.
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>>50937016
no, pretty much only telling us what new ways you guys have decided to use to "forcefully copulate" human rights and the constitution up the "anal sphincter" "non-consensually", due to a "snitches get stitches" clause, would make you lose *that*
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someone explain this dragon game to me, i've always wanted to play as a dragon that is actually in a humanoid form most of the time
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>>50937021
... it can't be Elio, since I'm not the one who wrote your post.
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>>50934600
Discord when?
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>>50936948

How does one become a GENETIC FREAK?

How do I tickle your fancy with hype-seeking precision?
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>>50937013
They don't. You have loads of level 1-5 guards in addition to PC's.

Also level 8 NPC doesn't mean level 8 PC bullshit wealth either.
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>>50937044
thats not how a ts clearance works. personal and public life matters.

>>50937061
i don't have the job you think i have.
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>>50937046

>>50937051
Simple. The only image we have of him is all in armor. Give us a picture of his face.
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>>50937046

Trinia Sabor has the smile most worth protecting.
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>>50937073

You live in a hidden elf village, cept replace elves with dragons and dragon blooded humans. Your queen decides that its time to stop being so hidden and take over the world (i hope.)
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>>50937058
>I am deciding on a humanoid form for my LE Green Dragon Exemplar/Wizard.

How's this?
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>>50937082
and yet you're coming here on 4chan with a computer that apparently could be risking this for you.
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>>50937082
Then don't go on 4chan. You're not a school shooter, are you? Or a pedophile, I heard 4chan was full of pedophile school shooters.
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>>50937051
>>50937075
The problem is you lack of memes and cuteness, boys.
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>>50937105
Right now I'm still deciding the species.
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>>50937076
https://discord.gg/z9cFWJa
nobody talks in it though

>>50937099
so just a human with the blood of dragons trait?
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>>50937109
I still remember that fox news spot with the exploding van...
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>>50937077

Do a awesome concept of a dragonblooded human Tetori monk who grapples his full dragon siblings for fun and wins.

that ir have the last name of Stiener.
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>>50937112
Or proper beefcake.
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>>50937120

can be if you want. or you can take varying degrees of more dragon
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>>50937112
cute petite women pummeling larger guys sometimes doesn't have the effect they hoped it would...
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>>50937122
grapplers are no fun. crawls the game to a halt sometimes too.
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>>50935490
>Good PrCs
Magaambyan Arcanist
Thuvian Alchemist
Veiled Illusionist
Bloatmage
Pathfinder Savant
Dawnflower Dissident
Daivrat

>Functional PrCs
Hell Knight Signifier
Evangelist

>Build Specific
Agent of the Grave
Eldritch Knight
Exalted
Diabolist
Mage of the Third Eye
Divine Scion
Living Monolith
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>>50937137

It's quite adorable, nothing's sweeter than the low-STR Sorceress bapping her fists on the chest of the Barbarian because he almost got caught in her fireball's blast like a big dumbie!
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>>50937134
>implying a beefcake is likely to be memorable to /pfg/
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>>50937155
Holy Vindicator probably belongs in the Build Specific category
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>>50937171
>implying it's not
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So I've worked on my Unchained Barbarian build.

In general, apart from the lack of spell sunder and the nerfing to eater of magic, not much has changed. CAGM is now a stance, and that kinda sucks, so I'm still looking for ways to turn activating that stance into a swift action.

Not much has changed, but the barbarian is no longer 100% limited to two-handed weapon use. It might actually make some levels of sense to carry a shield or to dual wield.
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>>50937171

Hey now, beefcakes might not be screamed n' memed across the Generals, but when they're accepted into the campaign their girth is always appreciated.

>>50937195

It's true, remember all the hung hunks of RotJR that got praised and burnt out, while all the pretty boys, LITERAL ANIMALS and s-s-stuttering wrecks got talked about? People are bored praising beef - they like eating it, but they don't like lauding the taste.
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>>50937195
Face it, anon. Kawaii beats buff any day of the week on /pfg//
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>>50937232

But what if your both?
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>>50937219
LITERAL ANIMAL is the bread. The stutterers are candy, they're sweet, but everyone's had too much candy. Now they need to learn to savor their meat.
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>>50937219
The only males I remember getting talked about with any real consistency were the "bear mode" types and the fox people.
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Dragon D(ragon) M(aster)

What would you guys personally like to see from Dragon game?

Any questions you have about the setting? The Game? Or need help with a character idea?
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>>50937263
>Now they need to learn to savor their meat.

We don't savor our meat in public, anon! That's improper! You talk about how juicy a particular steak is or recommend one to a friend, but you don't just chow down on one while people watch. You can do that with bread and candy, but not meat.

As I said before, that's why beefcakes are rarely praised, but always wanted!
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>>50937288

I want muscles i can bounce gold coins off of.
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Did I hear kitsune MILF? I think I heard kitsune MILF. Here, have most of her backstory. I still have to make some adjustments to her sheet and write one short paragraph explaining her circumnstances in Molthune but the most important part is ready.

>http://pastebin.com/TtiGtyGu
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>>50937286
>What would you guys personally like to see from Dragon game?

Upward social mobility and good old fashioned virgin snatching!

>Or need help with a character idea?

Do you think the Dragonslayer idea could work, or is even something you'd want to see done? The seeds of doubt have been planted with those mentions of the Demesne being inhabited mainly by Dragonblooded-humans, I don't want to get hype over a concept that's just not going to mesh.
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>>50937241
How would you do this?
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>>50937318

>Upward social mobility and good old fashioned virgin snatching!

This will happen at least once.

>Dragonslayer as character.

I see absoulutly no issues with it. If anything it might seem like an interesting roleplaying opportunity.

Perhaps the Queen, on one of her many flights of fancy, imbued this Dragonslayer with the Spark of Life (hehe). That'd give him a reason to be in The Demesne despite his former profession.
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>>50937359

Well, it's not really hard. You just make a big, buff guy that turns out to be a huge goofball.
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>>50937318
>virgin snatching
could we NOT have a creepy circle of the entire party trying to kidnap everybody else in the party?
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>>50937386
rekt
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>>50937362
>That'd give him a reason to be in The Demesne despite his former profession.

W-Well, the character's way too low a level to *actually* be a dragonslayer, I'm just saying that's what he'd wind up being. For now, he's just a human kept propped up by a Symbiotic Pact with a Lightning Elemental.
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>>50937155
>evangelist
>just "functional"

Are you fucking kidding me? With that new feat to make it full progression, it's absolutely nuts on a psychic, sorcerer, witch, or wizard.
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>>50937386
>implying anybody would want to kidnap those virgins
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>>50937307
She should hook up with shota trap if she wants a husband who lives forever! Will she bang him?
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>>50937399
>too low level to be a dragonslayer
Dragon hatchlings are dragons too.
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>>50937399

Level doesn't matter, you could still be part of a dragon slaying team, Possibly even the only "Survivor". Hunting some Blue in the desert.
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>>50937405
What feat is this?
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>>50937399
What if he's a comedian that specializes in shit that dragons find hilarious?

Like maybe he utterly slays them with his puns?
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>>50937416
can you fucking not?

its grose.
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>>50937282
>the "bear mode" types
Adalbern is literally old germanic for "Noble Bear."
If I could find some decent character art that wasn't borderline homoerotic I feel like this would be going much better.
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>>50937441
>If I could find some decent character art that wasn't borderline homoerotic I feel like this would be going much better.

Describe him to me, I probably have art.
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>>50937416
Go away witchhunt anon/fetishposter.
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>>50937468

nah witch hunt is more retarted than this, he got banned recently.
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>>50937448
To avoid copying straight from the overly flowery description in the character thread:
>Braided blond hair, green eyes, huge ulfen guy
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>>50937428

That's so corny I can't not like it!

>>50937417
>>50937422

Current backstory places him as a grunt for some Water Lord, it's totally possible he was sent as part of a squad to clear out a young Blue from one of the Lord's Oases.

Needless to say, it didn't work out.

Time to figure out the character art for this lad! He's a proper Garundi man, but I'm awfully low on the swarthy types.
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>>50937491

What, like this?
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>>50937500
I like it. Do you think the coat is too modern for the Molthuni Knights game though?
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>>50937532

i wouldn't worry, Molthuni military uniforms are actually quite modern.
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>>50937532
>Do you think the coat is too modern for the Molthuni Knights game though?

There's Eagle Knights wearing 18th century Revolutionary battle uniforms next door, and Molthune is famed for being the most modern military in the land.
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>>50937562
>>50937568
Oh well then sweet. I'll probably use this. Thanks a lot
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>>50937493

Sounds great! It sounds like the party went in and got rekt, then he ran and ended up dieing of exposure. Then got zapped back into life.
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>>50937575

Always glad to help, anon!

Here's a bonus!
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>>50937606

Precisely, and the Elemental more than likely chanced upon him due to the residual stench of Blue breath on him - to a hungry Elemental, that must smell like a feast!

I can see it now, he became a grunt because it was the only way to survive in the Interior, a region he was forced into after stealing Sun Orchid and, as punishment, he was kicked out and told he may only return when he brings back *two* Sun Orchids.
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can an armor be masterwork AND mithral?
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>>50937568
>Molthune is famed for being the most modern military in the land.
[citation needed]
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>>50937723
All mithril is masterwork. The benefits dont stack.
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>>50937756
okay that was exactly what i was going to ask

so then can mithral armor be improved to +2, etc?
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>>50937568
>most modern
>laughing_numerians.webm
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>>50937405
>>50937423
A little skeptical, going to have to call shenanigans on this. But he did say "new" feat so it might just be something I haven't seen yet but it does seem a little too good to be true.
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>>50937765
Yes.
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>>50937792

Half of Numeria has a religious disgust towards technology and the other half are literally slapping robo-arms on people's backs to see if it works.
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>>50937796
>he really doesn't know

you poor fool
>>
>Most recent applicant for the Dragons game
>She's a hippie
>She's literally named Sunbeam
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To have an armor improved from nothing to +5 is 25,000 gold? Or is it the prices of +1, +2, +3, +4 and +5?
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>>50937826
I didn't
and I also didn't know about no more (you)s
KEEP YOUR FUCKING FEAT WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY (you)S!?
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>>50936912
Completely wrong.
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>>50937874

They're gone, replaced with ......

Happy?
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>>50936912
Totally wrong.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/more-character-options/young-characters

55 year old elves are the equivalent of 8 year old humans and have the same stat modifiers.
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>>50937931
>an elf nearly three times my age is somehow less mature than I am in all ways besides emotional

It burns.
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>>50937606
Is that dragon exposing a cloaca or is it just me
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>>50937988
We see what we want to see, anon.
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>>50937988

no its just fat.
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>>50937869
It is indeed all combined. It's VERY expensive to enhance any piece of equipment to high levels, which is why WBL goes so fucking bananas.
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>>50937796
Costs 2 feats but still, full spell progression
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>>50938008
So 55,000 GP? Jesus lord.
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>>50937869
>>50938008
What? No it isn't. A +1 armor costs 1000gp, a +5 costs 25,000 gp, and to improve the +1 to +5 is 24k. Not 25k+16k+9k+4k.
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>>50937931
Show me where it says that those stat adjustments are as a result of a 55 year old elf being physically the size of an 8 year old human or due to not being as emotionally developed.
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>>50937862
I am an oak tree, spreading my roots and nurturing Shelyn's garden. Now, will you join us for dinner? I've prepared a wonderful salad of orange peels, pine nuts, and spinach leaves. Afterwards, we can indulge in some of my herbal inhalants - they're quite good for your anxiety, you know. Why, I haven't suffered from anxiety in over eighty years, did you know that?
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>>50937930
No, this is a terrible fucking feeling. Something that's been around since the dawn of time just stripped away just like that!
Telling me more about that feat will make me feel a little better, mostly just sedating my curiosity.
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Quick, /pfg/!

I need an excuse to use:

>Sphinxes
>Giants
>Lycanthropes
>Medusae
>Yetis
>Harpies
>Swan Maidens

All in the same campaign.
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>>50938069

You're playing a Game of Fables!
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>>50938044
>During youth, +2 Dex; –2 to Str, Con, and Wis.

This applies to all races. A human at 8 years old and an elf at 55 years old have the same modifiers.
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>>50938038
Worth.
Wizard with Fey Obedience (Magdh) and these two feats taking Feysworn would be insane.
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>>50938086
>Fey Obedience (Magdh)
Go away 2hu.

Feysworn isn't that good anyway.
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>>50938083
And? The same stat changes do not imply the same physical differences.
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>>50938038
Well, damn.

It still probably isn't worth it on Wizard since the feat tax is real, but Witches or Sorcs seem like they'd get a ton of mileage out of this.
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>>50938109
Not 2hu. I actually just like Magdh for her place in the lore. Having the strongest Fey Obedience in that book was just icing on the cake.
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>>50938045

Oh you're something all right, maybe if we warmed you up and took a puff we'd find out just how "herbal" you really are.

Dinner's at 7:00, right? I'll be there!
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>>50938161
Magdh has the strongest obedience in the game, not just the strongest Fey Obedience.
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>>50937307
And she's done! Maybe I will do some adjustments in the future but for now I am auite happy with how she turned out.

>>50937416
That's not something she would do without consent!

>>50938161
I also like Magdh! Sadly, there was no place to squeeze her Obedience in. Maybe in the future.
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>>50938038
Bloodline sorcerer 1 admixture wizard X is now even better. Especially because crossblooded + blood havoc gives you +3 damage per die. Thats basically making your fireball do d12 damage.
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>>50938190
I thought she might have, but I don't know the fiendish/deific ones well enough to say so
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>>50938203
You can't just bang a shota. You have to tease him to the point he snaps and clumsily attempts to bang you, then cuddle him up and take a lead.
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>>50938203

Foxwife is cute and sweet and her story is just sad enough to make me want her to find more happiness in the arms of another!
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Jesus, I just read Madgh's fey obedience. It's not even anything difficult to accomplish or particularly flavorful. Draw four dots on your head and throw some coins in a bowl of water.

>>50938210
Just for reference, Irori's, which is considered an impressively strong Obedience, is a +4 Sacred/Profane bonus on Knowledge rolls.
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>>50938038
>hey, prestige classes suck!
>let's specifically allow CASTERS to lose less from prestige classing
Sasuga Paizo
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>>50936552
>>50936789
If people don't like this can I get an opinion on why?
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>>50937286

So the Queen is basically everyone's grandma (or mom, she's still horn dog i guess).

How often does she interact with her subjects and in what fasion?
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>>50938280
>one group of PCs would be mythic
There's your answer.
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>>50937930
No, they're hard to see on these old eyes and it just don't feel right. Just because it's newer and change don't always mean it's good or better.
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>>50938038

What the fuck lamo
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>>50938232
Take Magdh's obedience so that you can bang the shota in a religious ceremony and celebrate life everlasting together!
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What prestige classes get cool features that aren't spell casting?

I'm looking at:
>Master Spy
>Sleepless Detective
>Horizon Walker

All are pretty neato. They are very specific, but interesting.
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>>50938294
Anon, if you want your (you)'s back it's not hard. Go into settings, enable custom CSS, and copypaste this into the edit box.

a.quotelink.ql-tracked:after {
content: " (You)";
}
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>>50938293
No, it's not 3 separate group of players.

It is one group of players playing 3 parties of characters. Each person has three characters, switching between the story of each. One group of PCs are mythic.

So you get to play:
>one level 4/mythic 1 mercenary
>one level 3 mage college student/worker
>one level 3 street urchin/gangster/etc.

Every 1-2 sessions the party changes the focus on the narrative to one of the other two groups and the players play their PC in the corresponding group.
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>>50938119
Well actually they do. A 50 year old elf is halfway to the maturity - the 'starting age', and their body is - as per these penalties - slightly more agile, less tough, and less strong than the elf will be *WHEN THEY GROW UP*.

They're even the same level of "less wise" as that 8 year old.
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>>50938336
Anon, I love (You).
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So, assume we take a wizard's spell slots from class abilities alone - not from ability scores or any other form of bonus spell slots (but including school specialization slots) - and we give them to a commoner as free virtual gold to spend on a magic item called a "spellbook."

This spellbook item is enchanted with a multiple number of command word trigger SLAs that increases as the commoner levels up, gaining access to new and more powerful SLAs every few levels

The cost of a command word SLA item is caster level * spell level * 1800 / 5/the number of times usable per day... Aka Spell Level * Caster Level * 360

Technically to fully replicate a wizard the caster level would increase at each level, but that would make the math prohibitvely more expensive and for little actual gain - whether your summon monster II is at CL 3 or 15 matters little when you can cast Gate at CL17, after all

With all of that said, here is how much a virtual wizard's spellcasting is worth at each level of experience:

1: 1260
2: 1800
3: 6120
4: 8640
5: 19440
6: 27000
7: 47520
8: 63000
9: 97560
10: 123840
11: 176760
12: 216720
13: 292320
14: 348840
15: 451440
16: 527400
17: 661320
18: 759600
19: 847440
20: 945720

Basically, what we can extrapolate from this is that a wizard's spells are worth close to 1 million gold pieces at level 20.

Secondly, for a fighter and a wizard to be balanced at level 20, then, a fighter's +10 BAB and feats that he has over a wizard need to be worth 1 million gp. (Given 15 years of people complaining about fighter vs wizard, it's probably not.)
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>>50938327
>>50938232
She would be sure to play along, if that was what he wanted. She knows what most men want from a glance!

>>50938236
Thanks! Really, she is more of a widow than a wife. She probably tried something with longer-lived races along the way but it didn't work out for whatever reason.
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>>50938279
To be fair it's a lot easier to write a feat that says "you don't lose a level of spellcasting" than it is to write "and you don't lose bravery, nimble, gun training, monk unarmed damage, flurry progression, ... or rage rounds"
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>>50938336

I don't know if I'm just tired or dumb, but I can't find the way to do that with Firefox.
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>>50938038
Sorry, never played a caster, why is this good?
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>>50938406
Bottom of the screen, two rows below where it says 'Yotsuba B'. 'Settings' -> Miscellaneous.
Check Custom CSS, hit Edit, copy paste, Save CSS, Save Settings.
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>>50938292

The Queen absolutely adores her children and grandkids... however there's so many of them that she's long since lost track. She'll generally believe you if you claim to be her decedent.

At which point she'll start doting on you and give you treats from her positively immense private stash.

However, she doesn't go out of her way to interact with her kids or grandkids, or even her servants. If you want to speak with her at all you have to go to her, and try to catch her when she isn't sleeping, eating or reading. so probably once a decade.
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>>50938406
Install the Stylish extension or follow the shit here to do it manually: http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserContent.css
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>>50938390
>She would be sure to play along, if that was what he wanted. She knows what most men want from a glance!
You'd better seduce the shota to MAKE him want you!
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>>50938385
Fighters have the following over wizards:
>7 feats (wizards get 4 bonus feats)
>Weapon Training
>Armor Training
>Advanced Weapon Training
>Advanced Armor Training
>Armor Mastery
>Weapon Mastery
>Bravery

Wizards get that fighters don't:
>Arcane Bond
>Arcane School
>Spellcasting

The question here is, is Weapon/Armor Training, Advanced Weapon/Armor Training, and Bravery worth that much?

Well the thing is you can't equate weapon and armor training exactly to gear. Advanced Weapon & Armor training even less so.

Equating class features to gear is a mistake from the get go actually. As SLAs are priced extremely high in terms of gear.
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>>50938394
Just make a feat that gives you the Evangelist's Aligned class for a level.
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>>50938427
>>50938439

It worked! It worked! Gods be good the (you) is back!
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>>50938232
>>50938327
>>50938390
>>50938443
The immortal shota trap should use his own shapeshifting powers to bullshit her into thinking he's also a kitsune, then fuck her on that pretense.
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>>50938416

It means sorcerer eldritch knights can now cast 9th level spells with 16 BAB

More importantly, it means that wizard 10/evangelist 10 has no loss in spellcasting or class features but gains a bunch in exchange for some feats
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Would it be too much to ask if I could switch out a feat/a few skill ranks once the game starts depending on who else gets into the game? So I don't step on as many toes.
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>>50938485

yes it's too much to ask, go hang your head in shame
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>>50938485
No it's not too much to ask, go hold your head high in pride.
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There doesn't seem to be anything that disallows you from taking Deific Obedience multiple times.

Is there anything wrong with my Fighter -> Hellknight Commander taking it 5 times, once for each member of the Godclaw?
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>>50938431

Does she have grandma candy?
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>>50938464
Dragon Disciple Buff? Dragon Disciple buff.
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>>50938564
The fact that the Godclaw is not 'a' deity, singular, which is specified by the feat.

Even if you could, you shouldn't. Asmodeus's Obedience is shit.
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>>50938464
Ohhhhhh, I see.

Which Sorcerer Bloodlines are good for an Evangelist? This class looks fun.
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>>50938601
Arcane a best forever
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>>50938564
This would net me the following:
>+4 to saves against spells cast by chaotic creatures
>+4 to all knowledges
>+4 to knowledge nobility/diplomacy
>+4 against fire effects
>+1 to attack rolls with warhammers
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>>50938626
>>50938626
>>50938626
>>50938626
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>>50938599
Can't you just take the feat a bunch of times, specifying 1 each time?
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>>50938628
>page_four_in_allcaps.jpg
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>>50938628

Let it die and report.
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>>50938628
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>>50938619
That sounds like a dumpster fire. I would allow it as a DM if you roleplayed it, but I would also frown mightily whenever you failed to pull your fucking weight due to your bad feats.
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>>50938328
The PoW prestige classes do, although I guess you might define that as 'spellcasting'.
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>>50938427
Yay! Thanks anon!
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>>50938663
It also nets you a bunch of other features, but not until higher level. Like a bunch of SLAs and unique weird shit.
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>>50938673
While it is not spellcasting it is similar enough to not be to my taste.
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>>50938580

Full BAB, 9th level spells Dragon Disciple:

BAB
fighter 1 + 1
sorcerer 4 + 2
dragon disciple 8 + 6
eldritch knight 7 + 7
+16

caster level
fighter 1 + 0
sorcerer 4 + 4
dragon disciple 8 + 6
eldritch knight 7 + 6
feats 2 + 2
+18

favored prestige class (dragon disciple)
prestigious spellcaster (dragon disciple)
prestigious spellcaster (dragon disciple)
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>>50938630
Unless the feat explicitly says you can take it multiple times it's a one-off.
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>>50938336
Awwww yeah.
Thank (You)
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Are there ways to count as larger when flying?
I already have Storm Pilot, but not being tiny would be great.
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Why does /pfg/ think it's a sin to not like how Initiation is designed and automatically equates it with either being a "paizdrone" or "caster supremacist"?
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>>50938794

it isnt, its just people like using Initiation. But if thats not your cup of tea, its alright.
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>>50938794

Because half of /pfg/ are paid to lick DSP's bum
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>>50938794
What is there not to like about how intiation is designed?
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>>50938794
Because the people who say they don't like either don't properly articulate the reasons why they don't like it, they don't try to seek better systems to improve martials, they are "overPoWered" memesters, they actualy are paidrones, or any combination thereof
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>>50938814
>DSP
>Being able to pay people
>especially when we usually pirate their stuff
Silly anon, we promote DSP FOR FREE and that's only because we like Forrest
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>>50938809
>>50938814
>>50938816
>>50938825
>Broken Blade
>Primal Fury
>Scarlet Throne
>Elemental Flux

Errata "soon"!
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>thread at bump limit
>new OP a shit

Fuck it, I'm just going to go to bed. Posting homebrew can wait.
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>>50938842
>overPoWered!
And there it is.
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>>50938794
I was the one who dropped the 'spellcasting' and I don't think it's a sin not to like how they're designed.
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What would be a good non-standard weapon for a Barbarian? I'm a bit tired of always using a greatsword or a greataxe
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>>50938865
Lucerne Hammer or Earthshaker.
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>>50938816
Some parts I don't like about it are the design of the classes being extremely combat focused. What initiation does not do is give characters narrative force in a larger sense for the game, and caters almost entirely to combat. This more than anything feels to be over treatment of a single symptom rather than the larger disease.

Another issue I have is defense. Initiator's defenses, because of how initiation is designed, are much higher than non initiating PCs. Even more so than casters in fact. Counters can do many things. For classes focused on using counters it makes their defense higher than others to the point that encounter design becomes impossible to both challenge their defense while not simply killing the rest of the party.

I to a degree dislike a number of the supernatural disciplines, but that is personal taste and not something I hold against the system. I no longer feel like a martial while teleporting/using mind control/trapping souls/etc. However like i said that is personal taste.

So my main issues are:
>defense becomes extremely difficult to design encounters around
>does not actually address the issue of narrative power
>personal taste about supernatural disciplines

If I had to bring up another point it would be their imbalance compared to many Paizo classes. However Paizo classes are imbalanced amongst each other as well, so it is not a meaningful point.
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>>50938860
Please tell me how it's not overpowered when the level 6 warlord or warder goes up to an enemy with a sansetsukon in Primal Warrior Stance and hits up Steel Flurry Strike+Reflected Blade Style.
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>>50938794
What is Initiation?
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>>50938865
F A L C A T A
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>>50938860
For the record >>50938842 is not me here>>50938794.

I posted >>50938873 as my reasoning.
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>>50938875
big, milk filled chest orbs
delicious
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>>50938875
Report and ignore for being a mindless drone that doesn't have a shred of originality. He's probably witchhunt anon/lewd OP anon.
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>>50938875

B-but wizards!
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>>50938865
Punching daggers
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>>50938825
Pretty much this. It's okay to not like it, but all we ever get around here are "ITS BROKEN LOL YOUR ALL BAD ROLEPLAYERS", so people don't bother with politeness.

Given it's a very similar system to the encounter powers of 4e (which in fact were based off the tome of battle system), it's entirely acceptable to not enjoy it especially if one did not like 4e. Not liking some of the flavor, or just not enjoying how the classes and maneuvers feel, that's all fine.

but here's what we usually get (ACTUAL Quote from the molthune thread):
>https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4399355/character-creation-rules/?pageforid=4410531#post-4410531
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>>50938794
Please not again, I don't like initiation in it's current form but let's not sink back into this endless arguments.
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>>50938875
Oh no, he deleted one enemy.

And left all the rest still standing, because he's only got 1 counter.
Oh what's that, he's a warder and he activated Extended Defense? "They attack everyone else, your turn again." They delete one enemy, they get ONE counter because they used up Extended Defense, and now everyone else beats up on them.

It's not overpowered to kill an enemy a turn. You know who can do that? Kineticists. Kineticists can kill one enemy a turn. DAMAGE AND THE ABILITY TO KILL ENEMIES DOES NOT MAKE A CLASS OR ABILITY OVERPOWERED.
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>>50938909

>le there's only glorious, well-reasoned, free-thinking DSP masterrace and undereducated brazillian paizudrones
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>>50938931
As a brazilian man I feel offended because you forgot to mention our national ID is a paizo account.
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>>50938921
>Oh no, he deleted one enemy.

>Reflected Blade Style
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>>50938865

How about a spear? Or a halberd? Or your easy charm and dazzling smile?
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>>50938921
Killing two CR +2, maybe CR +3 with some real optimization, enemies in one turn is not balanced.

That's what Primal Warrior Stance+Steel Flurry Strike+Reflected Blade Style+sansetsukon does.
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>>50938921
Something I never understood was the argument of "If one classes defenses are too high then attack everyone else" as an argument. Or the idea of "If he can use a counter use two spells on him".

This has no bearing on the overall argument of encounter design and comparison of initiators to non initiators. A bard who was presented with the two saves is now twice as dead as the initiator. This is the issue of uneven defense.

Killing an initiator is not the issue, of course as a GM you can kill any character at any time. The issue is one of reasonable interactions with enemies and reasonable encounter design.

It is the same reason I would point towards Cut/Smash from the air as being a tad too strong if paired with Uncanny Dodge. Immunity to range attacks, while not making it impossible to kill a character, does change encounter design entirely.
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>>50938931
>literally proving anon's point
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>>50938873
Is not one going to address my reasoning or simply the memes? Because the complaint was people do not articulate themselves about their issues with the system.
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>>50938983

No, the only argument DSPshills have to defend their aborted bastard child of 4e and ToB is "lol u trol memes XDDD"
>>
Friendly reminder to not clutter up the board with yet another new thread, we've already got one up here when this thread is done:
>>50938626
>>50938626
>>50938626
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Can someone explain the Mystic from Path of War to me?
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>>50939007

a freindly reminder to fuck off.
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>>50938873
The counters issue is legitimate, I agree that it makes encounter design harder.

The other two I don't, and it's for a single reason, namely that I (and I believe most people) use initiation for the express purpose of feeling like a mythic warrior. Not a historical warrior, a mythic warrior. And the thing about mythic warriors is that they were basically magical. Cu Chulainn threw spears from between his toes and turned inside out when he raged. Orion could walk on water and made a legitimate threat to kill every single animal on earth. Not only that, but they very frequently didn't decide their own fate, getting pushed around by forces around them, until they found the right application of force to fix things. Arthur (who wasn't nearly as mythically powerful as the other two), really had very little narrative influence, at least not as much as Merlin did. And that's what I want. The wizard gets to be Merlin or Circe, so I want to be Arthur or Odysseus.
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>>50938983
Honestly, you point out everything I don't like about PoW. I like it for what it is, but it really doesn't feel like it's something I'd always want to use when playing a martial.
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>>50939032

Fighters are already mythic warriors, they can fall infinite distances and walk on lava and single-handedly punch out bears by level 6
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>>50939032
Why do you not agree with the issue of heavy combat focus and not a lot of narrative pushing power? While it is true that Author did not have a lot of influence it doesn't mean that makes for good campaign design where other player may have extreme amounts of narrative influence.
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>>50938954
>>50938967
Oh no, he kills TWO WHOLE ENEMIES. And now he doesn't have those maneuvers until he refreshes both of them.
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>>50939051
>>50939032
They can also shoot fire out of their swords, call the spirits to fly, and a bunch of other weird stuff.

Also curse people with their sword oddly.
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Isn't the real problem with initiators that they deal waaaaaaaaay too much damage with a move + multiattack?

You can shill Paizo barbarians all you want, but DSP lets you play an initiating barbarian.
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>>50939065
What kind of encounters are you running where someone can kill two CR +2 or +3 enemies in ONE TURN, and the battle hasn't even started yet?
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>>50938983
>>50938873

I kinda disagree with the combat focus. Of the six full initiator classes:

>Stalker gets a lot of options to do stealthy/rogue/ninja things out of combat
>Warder gets Int-focus as their secondary stat plus 4+ skills, so they're actually pretty decent skill monkeys
>Warlord is... okay, Warlord is pretty combat focused, but they do at least get face stats and some skill points.
>Harbinger shares the Int focus with Warders, and honestly has Int as their primary stat plus access to more supernatural disciplines than anyone else.
>Mystic gets magic crafting and anti-magic stuff as well as their elemental glyphs.
>Zealot gets a bunch of psionic stuff, I honestly never looked at them too much but they have collectives and whatever.

It's true that by and large the maneuver schools don't grant *too* much out of combat utility, although there is some (scent as a 1st level stance, teleportation, etc.). But the initiator classes have a good bit of it innately.
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>>50938931
>"when a keneticsist outdamages you by far"
Not only did I have to copypaste that line because I kept instinctively correcting kineticist, but come ON.

I said there's plenty of things one can dislike; hell the old disciplines all gave too much damage at levels 1-3, which DOES cause trouble in the earliest levels since "eliminate half the encounter" is just as troubling whether it's from sleep or solar wind.

And not everyone likes the expend/recovery mechanics. I personally don't understand how that can be seen as more bookkeeping than vancian, but some people actually feel that way. I think they're strange but I accept that it doesn't mesh with them.

But they're the minority. Usually we're flooded with
>"hey listen. I've played RPGs for a long time, so you're going to have to trust me on this one: PoW is OP, and kineticists do far too much damage all day long to ever have a hope of being balanced anymore. You might not really understand how to play yet, but I know this stuff, and you do not."

Like at the bottom of one of the OTHER applications for molthune. Yeah, in the actual post with the fucking character bio.

Like everyone else in there was a tenth his age and running on his lawn.
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>>50938931
see>>50938825
Its not our fault the you guys refuse to articulate your points in an intelligible manner
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Better New thread

>>50939091
>>50939091
>>50939091
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>>50939087
This still is not "narrative" strength even approaching the same level as that of a full caster. It is not the narrative strength of spell like teleportation, fabricate, commune, etc.

Skills are not narrative strength. Everyone can use skills and none of those classes have unique narrative.
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>>50939103

stop being a faget just because you're insecure about your sexuality there's already a new thread
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>>50939080
>giving up your Rage Powers
>the things that actually give you some skill and combat utility
>Also Spell Sunder
>for just more damage through slow progression Initiating
For what purpose?
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>>50939113

If i'm a faggot, you're a bitch.
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>>50939110
And they aren't aiming for that level of narrative strength, because that was never the design goal of being able to use Fabricate/Commune/Teleport.
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>>50939099

>my houserules are better than yours neener neener

cool story
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>>50939113
We're on a blue board m8.

Pointing at everyone who doesn't want to participate in your fetish that they're insecure with their sexuality (or a prude which is another common talking point), does nothing to strengthen your point. It makes you look childish.
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>>50939110
Eh.

It's definitely not on the level of full casters but I do think it's comparable to 6 or 4-level ones in terms of utility. 9 level casters are, by and large, complete bullshit so trying to replicate them directly seems like a bad idea.
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>>50939128
Except the most narrative strength an initiator gets is skills. Besides that they have some limited teleportation, scent, and flight. A vigilante is a very good example of narrative strength as a martial without casting. None of the initiators come close to the vigilante either.
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>>50939139
It is severely outclassed in utility by Bards, Inquisitors, Vigilantes, Alchemists, Investigators, and even UC Rogues.
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>>50939118
Stances and maneuvers more than make up for the loss of rage powers.

You still get one rage power at level 2, that's enough to buy other rage powers with feats.
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As we pass gently into that good night I figured I'd ask again if anyone has feedback on Seht for RotJR. He's gotten very little attention, and while I'd prefer to keep it that way, I would like any feedback anyone might have.

And to ensure that even if no one has feedback that there's a bit of discussion, what's a character concept that you feel doesn't get enough attention?
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>>50939224
>what's a character concept that you feel doesn't get enough attention?
MALE kitsune.
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>/pfg/ split between three threads again

Why can't we all just get along?
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>>50939264

no
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>>50939254
How did you feel about the two RotJR male kitsune?
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>>50939264
Weebs ruin everything.
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>>50939130
>still not giving any argument or articulating their viewpoint
Dude, its okay to not like PoW, the problem is you have to not be a petulant manchild and actually present your case and counter systems like a mature adult

Which you clearly are incapable of doing since you obviously have the mental acuity of a middle-schooler
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>>50939493
Silver Dragon Wyrmling is actually Nveryll's title, or it's supposed to be. You know; NVERYLL, SILVER DRAGON.
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>>50938069
The campaign is vaguely inspired by Greek mythology?

Standard fantasy tropes that allow for better and easier storytelling that people can identify with through familiar monster archetypes?

Fuck I dunno. It's pretend, don't think about it so hard.
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