Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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FIRST FOR THE EMPEROR, BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR RIGHTFUL RULER BITCHES.

Iron Within, Iron Without!

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>>50758373
Thanks m88, especially for the image.
Say, what's /HHG/'s opinion on 30kmemes?

shouldnt we be getting some teasers about Inferno models by now?

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>>50758441
Dubs confirm.
>>50758500
>Say, what's /HHG/'s opinion on 30kmemes?
I'm not against them so long as they're not spammed and ran into the ground. It really depends on the meme in question.

>>50758522
>Custodes
>SoS
>Russ
>Caladius
>Porphyrin knight or whatever the fuck
Yes?

>>50758522
Maybe we'll get some teasers about yet more delays soon :^)

>>50758522
It's christmas. Usually times like these don't get new releases but group deals or promotions to get rid of stock.

>>50758441
>Some autist who thought he managed to steal power from the real gods and didn't care about his own creations
>Rightful ruler

lmao

>>50758546
how about something for the actual legions involved?

>>50758567
>Implying anyone gives a shit about TSons and SWolves

>>50758567
Or at least other legions needing models.

>>50758547
Shut the fuck up. Don't you fucking jinx it.

>>50758559
>Cosmic emotionally parasitic space molluscs
>real gods
Pick one.

>>50758605
Eh, gives me excuse not to spend money or paint.

>>50758585
T h i s : ^ )
The fluff, however, I do wish the Inferno will set matters straight at long last. I usually like FW fluff and I don't want this to be the exception.
The Inferno will be the final word and it will settle all issues.

>>50758609
I wouldn't call them mollusks. They're more like autistic children who are somehow master drug dealers.

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>>50758559
>Treating some IRL chaos cultist rantings as canon

>>50758522
Don't expect much until January.

This has not been a great year for FW and they had to slow things down compared to what they hoped to do.

>>50758567
> russ released before he even has actual rules
> upgrade kits
> TS contemptor

>>50758640
Didn't a bunch of the modelers get injured in a car accident?

Here's to a better 2017.

>>50758681
Nooo nononono!
It is a fact people are more prone to suffer car accidents on december. Everyone, be safe this christmas and new year! Remember you must survive to thread again!

>>50758627
The whole prospero being a systemic purge rumor is the big point of contention since communication blockade of that magnitude is very hard to swallow

>>50757594
>>50757565

Reminder that Pert invented Cyclone Launchers as Fulmentarii are Girlyman seeing a thing and saying" Hey this is kinda cool."

>>50758639
Again, what is this anime? I heard someone said it was perfect for Black Library references. I want to see for myself.

>>50758681
>perry brothers with cannon arms intensify

What is a good HQ option for a Cybernetica army that is not:
- Archmagos Dominus
- Scoria

I'm having a tough thinking of how to make an HQ fit into a Cybernetica force.

>>5075878
What's the matter with the Dominus?

So everyone says that Collected Visions is awesome, is there a pdf of it? I don't see in the linked libraries at the top.

>>50758789
Sataraeeeeel. You know who that Inar Satarael is or does? He died once, said he was sick of that shit and decided to come back.

>>50758789
Satarael is pretty nice, he allows you to take Cyber-Occularis at full capacity, gives what few vehicles you may have IWND, boosts reserves, has LD10 Cybertheurgy, is nice and tough and denys Slay the Warlord and any other points that the enemy might get for killing him on a 3+, including the D3 for Cortex Control removal.

He's basically everything you want in a HQ unit for Cybernetica in one man, only thing lacking is Eternal Warrior.

>>50758789
Take Satarael or make an Archmagos Myrmidax/Ordinator to go with your Magos Dominus.

>>50758852
I remember seeing it in one of them. Maybe look at 40k General OP as well. I got it somewhere (on top of having the physical book).

4 Deathshrouds with Praetor in a Phobos or 6 with Praetor on foot?

>>50758882
>including the D3 for Cortex Control removal.
I knew the not Slay the Warlord thing, but this one too? I thought you lost D3 as long as your Controllers got removed form the field. And his "corpse" does teleport back home.
Video of his not-invuln reflector save.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

>>50758947
P H O B O S
H
O
B
O
S

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I heard someone's jealous of my *remixed screeching*

Such conduct is unbecoming of a memer of the Seventh Legion

>>50758742
G money obviously had a lot of respect for pert's ideas, even if he didn't agree with his methods.

Dude doesn't discriminate if you have something to offer.

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>>50758500
Just leaving this here...

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>>50759071

So what do you guys think of the Porphyrion? I'm considering slapping one into my Salamanders or Word Bearers.

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>>50759128

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>>50758750
Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Ilya, a (mostly) more upbeat magical girl spin off of the Fate franchise.

But really what you want for Black Library references is any anime series where a character is into dude on dude, politely referred to as Boy's Love or, topically, BL.

>>50758957
It says "Any Victory Points" so it includes the D3 if he was the last Controller in your army. Seeing as he is hard as nails, that's fairly likely.
I just have a massive tech-boner for Cyber-Occularis, so I take pretty much any opportunity to nab some.
They do so much good it is unreal.

My rule is If enemy has Primarch, Scoria.
If enemy does not have Primarch, Inar Satarael

>>50759246
>spin off of the Fate franchise.
Dammit, there's like 3+ Fate stay/night/to go/hold the pickles series, I don't even know how to tackle that.

Sup /hhg/, I've got a question about which paint to use as a primer. A friend recommended for an off white to use Rakarth Flesh as a base coat, wash with Nuln Oil, and layer with Pallid wych flesh and white scar. What do you think would be the bes color primer for it? Corax White, The Mechanicus Grey, chaos black, or should i use one of the primer brands talked in the prior thread?

>>50759246
Every time I think hearing about anima can't disgust me anymore it suprises me yet again.

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>>50759385
Stay Night, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel are three different versions of the same timeline based off which girl the MC is going to stick his dick into.

Zero is a prequel to those three.

Kaleid Liner has no relation other than using established characters. It's pretty much just AU Fanfiction.

Carnival Phantasm is a non-cannon slice of life comedy series. Pic related.

>>50759630
Which one is where Osaka pleases older men for money? I mean it was a joke...right?

>>50759671
All of them.

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>>50759671
It's a joke. Her sex scene in the original game is the best representation of awkward virgin sex I think I've ever seen.

Not sure if that's surprising or unsurprising given how horribly written the sex scenes are.

>>50759605
Absolutely not the black spray.

>>50759671

None of them. We all knew that she prefers to please pretty girls and sword autists anyway.

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>tfw you suddenly find yourself in /a/ for no fault of your own

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>>50760009

>>50760009
To be honest, I was going to ask you guys about the DT restriction of Coils of the Hydra for Veterans, what Rhinos meant for a power sword squad and where to put a Delegatus, but I pretty much answered these questions myself.
Thanks, I guess.

What about you, anon? Got anything 30k on your mind?

Wondering whether to start Mechanicum with my Xmas money, or buy the Knight I need to finish my War Convocation and wait till Imperial Armour 14 is released so i can get stuff that works in both. Leaning towards the latter, seeing as I can't get a huge amount on a budget.

>>50760126
Kek. Good one
>totally not saving this for when a certain curzefag acts up again

>>50760134
Mainly just chugging along with painting my dudes. Over half of them are painted now, the end is in sight !

>>50760206
(S)he'll split into two and chase both husbandos

>>50760134
Trying to decide whether I like the Porphyrion enough to buy one and if I do, which house to paint it as.

>>50760234
I'll split her in two with a free chainaxe.

>>50760234
>Self-replicating curzefags
By the Emperor, we'd need two Unis.

>>50759620
Well, it's a pretty nitty gritty system

Was deathwing a thing in the heresy?

>>50760358
Yes. There were actually six different Wings in the First Legion, which were basically prototypes for the specialities of future Legions. Only the two we know of survived past the Battle of Caliban.

>>50758973
What give it? Ceramite and frag launchers?

I'm reading the new Carcharadon short from the advent today

Theres a character called the Pale Nomad.

Theres a part where the sharks are standing in silence to the humans but they hear clicking of vox transmitters as the marines have a private convo in their helms. its super eerie and i love it,

>‘The concept of individual honour is a dead thing,’ Te Kahurangi replied, quoting from Beyond the Veil of Stars. ‘It is a lie invented by arrogant men to excuse their own foolhardiness.’



love it

>>50760769
It's very important those Deathshroud use those Manreaperslike the Power Scythes they are instead of like unwieldy Power axes. So unless they have Move through cover from the Reaping their LR either has Frag Assault launchers or you avoid difficult terrain.

>>50761013
So have any of their novels confirmed or denied that Carcharadons returning Raven Guard legionnaires who were exiled by Corax on those Predation Fleets?

How are veterans with marksmen and heavy bolters while the rest get power weapons? Aiming them to be more anti robots and anti troops.

Should any take combi weapons?

>>50761013
So why were the humans hostile? They were genestealers, right?

>>50761109
It's basically a public secret by now, like the identity of the green Knight in WHFB

>>50761013
Don't we already know Arkhal Fal is THE Pale Nomad, commander (and Legion master) of the Pale Nomads chapter from where most of the Deliverers hail, since HH3?

>>50761013
I think it's pretty safe to say Carcharodons are 100% confirmed caw caw successors.

Not that it was still unclear, but I know a few people that insisted they were actually loyalist Night Lords.

Also, link?

>>50761055
Move Through Cover acts like frag grenades in assault?

>>50761013
I mean just add an S to his name
Sharkas Fal, the Pale nomad.

>>50761165
>>50761168
How about this ->
>>50761167
>>50761177
Am I the only one seeing it?

>>50761122
Honestly, plasma guns will probably get more work done for you than heavy bolters. I really don't understand why nobody seems to put them on veterans.

>>50761205
Is plasma still worth using with marksmen?

>>50761205
I play Imperial Fists, so BS 5, Sniper Heavy Bolters are pretty alright. Since they're Assault weapons thanks to suspensor webs both HBs can fire out of the Rhino's fire points while the squad stays safe and sound until they get to whereever they need to get out. A unit of Imperial Fists Veteran Tacticals with two HBs deal more wounds against MEQ than a unit of 20 Tacticals from another legion. They're pretty darn useful.

>>50761244
Yes, but it works against the benefits of the rule.
You'll already wound almost all the time and already hit at AP2.
A question I'm wondering about is how Sniper works with template and blast weapons of the squad.

>>50761244
Always thought that was a weird rule interaction, that some stuff gets less lethal with sniper. Anyway, yeah, I'd say so. AP2 is brilliant, especially in a marine-heavy environment like 30k.

But don't discount xenobane and combiplasmas if you're thinking of going after robots. It's one shot, but it's mighty effective.

>>50761314
Alright, but are they still worth it on the 17 legions that don't get bonuses to bolter weapons?

>>50761171
No it doesn't, who told you that ?

>>50761354
With template and blast weapons, Sniper means any to wound roll of 6 is AP 2. Because headshots with FWOOSH and shrapnel are a thing I guess ...

>>50761109
This short is rife with shoutouts to pale nomad fluff. Its dripping with references.

I really think that the terran XIX are the 'ancestors'. Over time the Sharks have changed, blended gene seed, and 'as-is' arent terran XIX, but are definitely direct descendants. So to say the Sharks are a different Chapter of RG isnt accurate. The Terran XIX were never proper RG, they were terran XIX. The are descended from them, but they are a new entity now, which is where a lot of people get confused.

"They have X and Y, that makes them Z!"

Well not exactly. Ashen claws steal Night Lords stock to blend and keep operational. That doesnt make them Night Lords, Night lords is a culture. Ashen Claws arent even Raven Guard. They are Terran descended renegades called the Ashen Claws with XIX, and now VIII gene stock, probably XIII stock too. We know they raided ultras like the night lords, there just isn't a 'lore excerpt' that says it specifically in book 6 like there is for the NL stock.

>>50761168
>loyalist Night Lords
Nobody whos read enough, and isnt opinionated, actually believes that. It is either shitposting or people who dont have enough information/dont understand/refuse the obvious.

Here's another excerpt:
>‘You think the Void Father cares if we wait an hour or two?’ Strike Veteran Dorthor rumbled. ‘We must follow protocol. The Edicts of Exile were not issued by the Forgotten One in vain.’

Void Father is probably emps, another time they ask who rules this world in 'The Void Fathers Name'. Forgotten one is probably Fal, maybe even corax. Hell it could be Malcador. They did have ancient orders from terra, and Malcador is all but forgotten to time. Malcador did like his clandestine operations.

>>50761167
Its the name of the chief librarian in the short. might be an honorary name too. The culture has some similarities to terran XIX xetric tribe roots, the use of axes, their demeanor, but it has evolved over time and is all about V O I D.

>>50761427
>>50761466
its me again, i forgot they talk about the "Blindess" and it is exactly like the Sable Brand/Ash Blindness from HH3

>>50761466
So Carcharodons are like Space Wolves now, instead of WOLFWOLFWOLF it's VOIDVOIDVOID

>>50761399
>No it doesn't, who told you that ?
>"It's very important those Deathshroud use those Manreaperslike the Power Scythes they are instead of like unwieldy Power axes. So unless they have Move through cover from the Reaping their LR either has Frag Assault launchers or you avoid difficult terrain."

Sounds awfully lot like either get MTC or frag launchers, so that I won't be swinging at I1.

>>50761617
Ha nothing will ever match the sheer amount of WOLF the SWs have. But the Void theme is deeply embedded alongside predator motifs, talismans, 'exile' tattoos(which sound like the terran XIX tats). They do sound similar in that renamed a lot of things, Void Father as Emps for example.

They also follow the Ashen Claws and Predation Fleet protocols, 'recruit' from worlds forcibly.

>>50761137
They were rebels. The Sharks didnt care. Presumably from the intro they got a notice saying 'hey investigate this' and used that as a guise to recruit/induct the planets population as a Red Tithe aka the title of the upcoming shark novel.

>>50761697
So what were they investigating?

>>50761829
an imperial tithe ship went missing from the system

>>50761822
Why do regular tacs have the sniper rule

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>>50761883
I derped.

>>50761907
That's good then, but are Heavy Bolter vet squads worth it in the first place compared to plasma guns, missile launchers and the other options?

>>50761657
Whoops srry. Get frag launchers

>>50761697
Thanks For the Void Tales, should be cool to do a vengeance is ruin/HoR Pale Nomads Team.

They seem very pure in Form and Function and have good work ethics.

>>50762086
Right-o.

>>50762051
Intuitively blast templates and scattering make this a lot more difficult to calculate. Basically if you're good with scatter dice then plasma are worth more by a long shot, and plasma allows you to threaten a wider range of targets (terminators, light armour, etc.) Gets Hot isn't too, too scary as each shot has a 5.55% chance of killing the firing model. High enough that it'll happen regularly (once a game at least) but low enough that you'll still earn the points back by dropping a blast template onto a fat squad of Tacticals where regardless of the scatter you're going to murder some traitors.

>>50762051
Let's not forget that Heavy Bolters allowing you to assault means that they do have something to justify their 5 points extra cost over plasma guns. Though they do seem to be less effective in pure shooting than the sniper Heavy Bolters, being allowed to charge means you add a bunch more S4 attacks on top of all the damage youv'e done in the shooting round.

>>50762313
People often seem to underestamate charging veterans, but that's 40 attacks on the charge for a full unit. Even without melee upgrades that is going to do at least some damage.

>once charged stranded firedrakes with 3 veteran squads
>drowned them in armoursaves
>free to shoot next turn

>>50762197
>Gets Hot isn't too, too scary as each shot has a 5.55% chance of killing the firing model. High enough that it'll happen regularly (once a game at least) but low enough that you'll still earn the points back by dropping a blast template onto a fat squad of Tacticals
>Plasma gun
>Template
I think I lost you there.

>>50762405
>charged pert with vet squad
>made all but 2 hits
>made all but 3 wounds
>pert dies
>imperial fisted.

>>50762051
Take Missile Launchers if you want them to fight vs vehicles or your not playing IF/DA/UM/WS because I personally dont think you lose much if you take heavy bolters over missile launchers and youre targeting infantry/MCs.

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>>50762710
>mfw

>>50762710
So you hit twice and wound thrice? Is this AL fuckery here?

>>50762658
Thinking of plasma cannons, my bad. There was a thing that came up a while back with the Haemotrope Reactors (I think that's what they were called) where I could stick a Plasma Cannon Heavy Support squad on them and they turn into a rape festival with the Tank Hunters and stuff. Other than that I don't really use plasma.

>>50762788
Don't Blood reactors grant +1 to the blast size at the cost of +1 to Gets Hot?

>>50761013
>Te Kahurangi

It kind of depresses me when names are that blatantly ripped off. Though it seems Carcharadons are definitely space Polynesians now.

>>50762787
No, he's saying that only two attacks missed, and of the attacks that DID hit, only three failed to hurt Perty.

>>50762818
It gives regular plasma weapons the Blast rule (which is why I messed up) and Plasma Cannons get the Large Blast rule. At the cost of Getting Hot on 1s and 2s. Imperial Fists Heavy Support Squads get Tank Hunters from their LA rule.

>>50762823
Ripped off from what?

>>50762881
Yes, +1 to the blast size: regular weapons gain blast, blast weapons gain Large blast, which is in fact also a +1" to the blast radius.
I simply forgot you were an Imperial Fist. That also happens to account where the Tank Hunters was coming from :^)

>>50762941

Whale Rider. Which is likely the only Polynesian movie that author had seen (Until Moana)

>>50763011
Or...a specifuc horror game.

>Muh Walreiter

>>50763011
I see. I googled "Te Kahurangi" and got back some cool art by a severely autistic woman from New Zealand. Touching, really.

I liked it when Veterans and Termies could take Dreadclaws as DTs.

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I got 2 spare power scythes and need to figure where to put them, if anywhere. Should I put them on my two tactical blob sergeants or maybe for my chem-flamer support squad and biker sergeants (they got fists right now).

>>50763318
That was never a thing anon, unless you're playing SoH in which case you can do it.

>>50762100
How would one portray them anyways in 30k?
Just RG, I guess? Nightlords fit more rulewise, to be honest, in some regards.
>>50763357
Reminder Horus is a sexy man-beast.

>>50759071
Christ the whole strip looks like shit, and it's not even funny. Why are people reposting this

>>50763497
>How would one portray them anyways in 30k?

Raven Guard or Outlander Blackshields.

>>50763529
Probably, could even get them fear by giving them a Herald.

Marauders are amazing troops though.

>Rip and Tear!

Even more fun with Terminators with Raven Claws!

>>50763318
Any termie unit 5 or less can take a dreadclaw as dedicated still I thought

>>50763700
Terminators can, Veterans have never been able to take Dreadclaws unless you buy them as a fast attack or play Sons of Whores.

>>50763745
No wonder SoH love drop podding!

Is there a link to the Red Books that includes all the fluff and pretty pictures sections?

>>50763497
>How would one portray them anyways in 30k?
Outlanders, RG, Sons of Horus with Reavers, The Blackshields that cause fear.

>>50763931
All very good ideas.

>God, I wish Reavers go the same treatment as Assault Marines.

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>>50763339
You could save them for an independent character, perhaps?

Else I'd say all three of those are decent choices, though I'd say if you have two tac sergeants in need of weapons, and two weapons in need of wielders, it would be pottery to put them on the sergeants, as well as aesthetically impressive.

People often say not to bother putting anything but a power fist on sergeants, since they won't kill anything with more than one wound any other way, but the beauty of the power scythe is that you might kill low-rank characters outfitted according to that convention.

So therefore I'd say you would be well served putting them on the sergeant of a squad like the chem-flamer squad, ironically enough.
If it's a GEQ-squad that's survived five to ten flamer templates, then the +1 attack will benefit them greatly, and if it's marines that you're trying to drown in poisonous flames, then the AP2 at greater than initiative 1 will be exactly what you need to guarantee a victory against your enemy's sergeant (unless he has a power sword or decides to pistol-whip your guy to death at I4).

TLDR: Tacs for style, Flamers for substance.

~t. Imperial Fists guy jelly of the dakka ("fwoosh"?) the Death Guard put out, plus how damn 'ard they are.

>>50763900
Red Books don't have either of those things. They are rules only (plus the nice unit descriptions).

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Who let the Bearversor on the internet?

>>50764020
Now you make me wanna put them on tacticals and the flamer squad. My reasoning for tactical sergeants is that if the enemy has an AP2 weapon, he's most likely hitting at I1, so the sergeants gets to swing first, and if they're swinging at initiative, they likely don't have AP2 and thus Artificer Armour would protect the sergeants (to some extent).

The flamer squad I'm trying to model as proper poison huffer destroyer equivalents, just spewing poison and rad grenades everywhere, so the scythe would suit them as well. Decision, decisions...

>~t. Imperial Fists guy jelly of the dakka ("fwoosh"?) the Death Guard put out, plus how damn 'ard they are.

Yeah. Chem-flamers, grave warden two shot poison grenade launchers, terminators in every field, and RoWs that give either 5+ cover in the open or rad grenades and Move Through Cover to go with the natural 4+ FNP vs. Poison (fuck you, Phosphex, you're not my real dad!)

>>50763900
Black Books have fluff and Pretty pictures
Red Books have rules.

>>50761013
I still think that the Carcharodons have some Night Lord influence. Something like them picking up loyalist Night Lords into their chapter.

>>50764345
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of chapters alleged to be successors to loyalist legions actually had their first members made up of left-overs from traitor legions. After a while there'd be no way to tell that they were ever genetically descended from traitor Primarchs.

>>50764365
Uh, geneseed?

>>50764345
>I still think that the Carcharodons have some Night Lord influence.

Just drop it NLfag.

"Dey iz loyalist traitors n sheeeeeeeit" is terrible anyway.

>>50764365
>After a while there'd be no way to tell that they were ever genetically descended from traitor Primarchs.

Except for the geneseed.

>>50764345
>I still think that the Carcharodons have some Night Lord influence.

Why? Where is it? Because Terran Raven Guard is everything Space Sharks are, they are brutal, silent with sudden bursts of ultraviolence in certain situations with little regard for civilians and collateral damage or surrendering enemies with a sprinkle of overkill

>>50764388
>>50764402
No, I mean the the original members were from traitor legions, but the geneseed they used to make new recruits were borrowed from primarchs of loyal legions.

>>50764388
>Vengeance?' Ari'i said the word quietly, leaning toward Kratoz, his eyes become crimson slivers. 'That is simply another word for revenge.'

B R A V O G A V
R
A
V
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G
A
V

>>50764447
Didn't mean to quote, just to showcase Thorpe's brilliance

>>50764388
That's where chapters with 'Unknown' or 'Chimeric' geneseed come from. Things like how the it's becoming increasingly clear that Dantioch's remaining loyalist Iron Warriors formed the basis for the Silver Skulls Chapter along with Ultramarine recruits.

>>50764365
Personally I think that the Scythes of the Emperor might be a chapter with mixed ancestry which is Ultramarines and Iron Warriors. I know they're confirmed UM descendants with some fluff in the HH but they might have some IW thrown in with them. Their black and yellow color scheme reminds me of the Iron Warriors fetish with Hazard stripes. Then there's the fact their home world was Sotha which is where Dantioch fought and died. Maybe the new found chapter took in some loyalist Iron Warriors they fought along with. If not a genetic relationship them the color scheme might be homage to loyalist IW like Dantioch.

>>50764521
Dantioch brought some IW with him from the Schadenhold, but they vanished from the plot immediately.
Despite them not being mentioned as at Sotha, I wouldn't consider it ridiculous if someone wanted to make the claim you're outlining for their army fluff.

>>50764345
they do display bodies of rebels, but its more likely a product being in the O U T E R D A R K and needing to use such tactics. And it snot like night lords patented "Display corpses"

So when should I expect to see some actually Thousand Sons previewed for Inferno?

>>50764180
>Who let the Bearversor on the internet?
But it is so lonely, anon!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNltk8Acxuc
Aim it against some Tau and it will be happy.

>>50764683
When Inferno drops in February, though FW is doing an open day in January so maybe they'll have it there instead.

Фтн пщщв ищщлы aщк ьy eщ дyфкт фищгe Ыдфмы ыщ Ш cфт pфмy ф иyeeyк yчcгыy aщк тщe ьфлштп икyфвы иyышвyы ыдyyзштп,
>>50764713
Фвщкфидyю

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>>50764447
>Kratoz
Ugh, and I thought no name could be worse than Hathor Maat. Tell me that guy isn't called Kratoz Leonidaz or similar.

>>50764737
Well sisters and custodes have been previewed already and their contemptor and grab tanks. SW got Russ at least.

I can't get hype if I don't know what they're releasing.

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>>50764752
Such a lust for Tau blood.
Huuuuuugs!

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>>50764811

>>50764805
At least your primarch has a plastic model thats techincally usable in 30k

>>50764768
I don't think it's that bad unless one pronounces it like the God of War character, and imagines it with "Oz" as in Australia at the end, like the name was Polish or something.

>>50764768
>A character called Julius Kaesoron exists

Also hey let's just pause this thread while I literally explain what Abbadon's name means and how it's significant to the Warhammer 40,000 Horus Heresy game system copyright Games Workshop in case none of you guys knew.

>>50764868
You see, Kratos and Kreitos I see as the very same name just pronounced differently.
Both mean power.
He's named power.
He's Legionnarie Max Powers.
>>50764893
>Also hey let's just pause this thread while I literally explain what Abbadon's name means and how it's significant to the Warhammer 40,000 Horus Heresy game system copyright Games Workshop in case none of you guys knew.
I understood this reference, kek.
>So, as I was saying, "Abaddon"...
>"Nobody cares, niggaddon!"

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>>50764811

>>50764839
Magnus ruined everything.

~t. Thousand Sons player who is going to use his old Rubrics models for 30k once inferno drops and I can see what compliments 64 Bolter marines.

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Is there any point in time where more than one Vultarax in a Cybernetica list is a good idea? Or is one in a list sufficient? Assume ~2k-3k points size, no other flyers, very little anti-air in the list.

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‘This is the leader of the rebellion?’ the one with the horrific, bared head demanded, looming over Caderik and Thornvyl. The boy nodded, suddenly lost for words. Without hesitation or ceremony, the giant snatched Thornvyl and snapped his neck.
‘No,’ Maudlin cried out. ‘You can’t! We need due process. We need to display them publicly to the rest of the colony.’
‘You can still display them,’ the giant said, stepping over Thornvyl’s twitching corpse.
‘I-I said they could live,’ Caderik stammered, cringing back from the Space Marine.
‘I came to this world to reap, not to judge,’ the Carcharodon said. ‘And that is what I will do.’
The gore-streaked monster hefted his chainaxe. The executions did not take long.

(later)

‘Bail Sharr,’ the Carcharodon said, uttering the name-honorific for the first time. ‘Welcome to the Outer Dark.’

mfw

>>50765052
Considering a unit of three has a fair chance of one-shotting a Knight but aren't a one-trick pony and can shit on enemy blobs in cover...define "good idea"

>>50765120

Competent at handling a bunch of threats, while minimizing the "all eggs in one basket" issue. I mean, they are 175 points each. That's a pretty big chunk of an army.

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>>50765105
Righteous.

>>50765105
I thought this was marine 101? Like that story of that Inquisitor calling marine help and they arrive and fuck up everything so hard he comments it's not too different from Exterminatus.
Say, is the mold-killing something from book 6 or something?

>>50765137
Remember how you wish your flyers had an armour save against those autocannons or didn't suffer penetrating hits against those lascannons?
Well these guys do just that and regenerate a wound on a 6. It's a damn tough basket.

>>50765183
Its not regular behavior no.

The mold thing is a joke about how little disregard for collateral damage Pale Nomads have and how they murder everything. The ends justify the means for them.

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>>50765232
>The ends justify the means for them.

>>50765261
That Mantis Warrior is totally going to win and kill that Terminator.

>>50765261
Love that pic.

Other notable things from the space sharks short
they arent loyalist berserkers. They are VERY disciplined and level headed(outside the Blindness). But its interesting the way they talk to each other. They talk informally like old friends(helps their the command squad from the "Third", but of course on prvate internal vox comms. But they will stand in formation, motionless until ordered. They also know when to fade into the shadows and let enemies pass. They behave very similarly to RG vets, but much 'darker' in their banter. They also dont speak to other people or even move unless necessary. Giving them a quiet, inhuman dark menacing vibe around them. They def have a predator mindset and behave like one. Its great.

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>>50765342
>up against the Giganigga of Babab
Only if the dice gods will it.
>>50765347
I thought they used an "antiquated dialect" or something like that.
>Not loyalist beserkers? I thought they wasted everything that they look at funny so no one could complain about them taking the dead's supplies.

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>>50765261
Hate that pic, mainly because that termie is Magnus-sized.
That power armoured marine isn't that far away, and he'd only reach to the termie's breast.
>>50765232
It is regular behavior for some.
People think it is a rarity for the RG, but that's simply because Lord Corax exiled the old legion. The ones who used up +90% of the mortal forces attached to them as bait, blew up the city, killed everyone and called it victory.
And victory it was, because within the week the Mechanicum had repaired the thing for the Imperium.
Meanwhile, Corax delayed a pretty much done compliance 7 more months because he wanted revenge on a defeated old dude.

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>>50765468
>Hate that pic, mainly because that termie is Magnus-sized.
>That power armoured marine isn't that far away, and he'd only reach to the termie's breast.
Tyberos is that big due how screwed that marine is. Logic.

>>50765441

Massive overkill and fear tactics != Berserking

Khorne Berserkers are known for abandoning positions and vehicles so they can get into melee.

Pale Nomads do the murder everything, but maintain a chain of command and use of tactics. They have a plan to murder everything, instead of dropping in and murdering. They do it in an organized and systematic faction.

>>50765441
>Not loyalist beserkers? I thought they wasted everything that they look at funny

Not that anon but there is a difference between Sharks and WE in that one will charge headlong and murder everything, the other will sneak upon you and kill everyone and then plant a nuclear bomb and kill the rest.

One is methodical overkilling, the other is pure violence and that has always been the character of Space Sharks.

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>>50765347
>Speaking to mortals unless absolutely necessary.
This isn't some Ultramarine/Salamander/Blood Angel human-petting group. Orders are clear, do your job, mortals, and report back when you've succeeded or don't dare to report at all.

>>50765441
The speak in high gothic to be formal, and probably more menacing. They do know low gothic. WHat I'm saying is that they dont go all formal "YES SIR, VOID REAVER MASTER OF THE THIRD, COMMANDER OF THE RED TITHE. I SHALL INDEED TAKE POINT IN THESE DARK CATACOMBS" etc etc etc

Even when the Captain succumbs to the Blindess, the blood hunger, he snaps out of it after.

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>>50765508
>Pale Nomads do the murder everything, but maintain a chain of command and use of tactics. They have a plan to murder everything, instead of dropping in and murdering. They do it in an organized and systematic faction.
>>50765509
>the other will sneak upon you and kill everyone and then plant a nuclear bomb and kill the rest.
I assumed once they do sneak in is when they go basaltic on everything and had a "controlled beserkering".

>>50765564
Now you crushed my dreams of full formal sharks. Thanks, Anon. And what causes the Blindness anyway? Is it what happens when one of Corvus's kids don't want to be an emo 24/7?

>>50765577
>I assumed once they do sneak in is when they go basaltic on everything and had a "controlled beserkering".
This is where its the perspective of the audience vs whats happening that a lot of people misunderstand.

WHen you watch everyone die in a bloody manner its a slaughter, a butchering, to you. Add in purposful phrasing by authors to drive that terminology home. But its not going berserk when sharks attack; its a predator tearing apart prey. Theres no hate in it, no malice, no rage. Just the instinct to kill. Just like a real shark.

>>50765609
The Blindess is described exactly like Ash Blind/Sable Brand in HH3. XIX marines that had the black eyes and pale skin would succumb to a dark desire to kill with no regard for themselves. It was driven by rage, it was like above. Driven by instinct to kill, nothing more nothing less. TO the audience it looks like they are going cray cray and in a frenzy. And from our perspective thats not an inaccurate description. Its just not the whole truth. This is where some think "Oh they are just night lords duh. Loyalist berserkers."

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>>50765564
Srsly, you are speaking to me as if you've only ever been among Ultramarines.
Try a few weeks in the World Eater gladiator pits or grab some beers with the Wolves.
I'm told the White Scars are cool too, but I don't speak Chogorian. Pretty much nobody does.
>t. Kharn

>>50765668
>It was driven by rage,
It was NOT** driven by rage

typing is hard.

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>>50765668
>XIX marines that had the black eyes and pale skin would succumb to a dark desire to kill with no regard for themselves.

So it's just a lame version of the black rage, huh?

>>50765668
So it's "nothing personal kid" to them?
>Driven by instinct to kill, nothing more nothing less.
And that's where Morirats came from originally?
>>50765684
Listen to this http://radiomayak.ru/# I'm tired as heck and might be losing my mind. No desire to drink vodka is emerging.

>>50765720
It started before Blondies death so the Black Rage is just a rip off of it meets world eaters:^)

>>50765736
>And that's where Morirats came from originally
Yes. HH3 talks about how the those who would go Ash Blind were the first moritats and Corax introduced them to girlyman.

>>50765748
Couldn't GMan just get the idea from the World Eaters? They were basically choppy moritats.

>>50765767
Those are berzerkers, hyperviolent brutes that would bite on shields and ignore wounds like the berzerkers from the viking stories.
The Ashen/Sable blind were more controlled. They still lost themselves in a murderous craze, but it would be more of a John Wick style.
Corax would beat Guilliman three times in a RoW until he decided to use a similar tactic (let's all ignore the Blindness is more a geneseed quirck than a tactic) and so the Consul known as Moritat ("Deadly deed") would be introduced to the wider legiones astartes.

Yup, Guilliman is the reason why the RG doesn't have a legion-specific Consul. Enjoy.

>>50765831
>Those are berzerkers, hyperviolent brutes that would bite on shields and ignore wounds like the berzerkers from the viking stories.
He could have toned it down.

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>>50765870
>He could have toned it down.
Like, what for?

>>50765831
>let's all ignore the Blindness is more a geneseed quirck than a tactic

Probably don't need to be some blindfag to run around with pistols.

>>50765894
As an experiment.

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Night, guys. Have a meme I found in /pol/ that's slowly getting out of control.

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>>50765183
I liked that story.

>Bastalek Grim later went on to wage an Edition long vendetta against marines in general until mysteriously vanishing in The Rock.

>>50765441
wait, so nightlords don't have painted lighting, but have electrified armor?

Why? Why do they want to be Blanka?

>>50765996
That image is slightly unsettling.

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>>50766024
I've heard they have "micro projectors" on their armor. Or maybe it's embedded in the armor. I don't know.

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>>50766036
>mfw too intelligent for Anon's sensibilities

>>50766024
I've always thought it was something like making everyone react in a flight or fight manner almost immediately, like watching a guy on fire walking towards you to kill you with his axe, except these guys are covered in lighting but still instill that primal fear for dangerous shit.

>>50766084
But didn't batman and every good horror movies demonstrate that not being seen is the scariest thing?

>>50766131
Marines are shock troops. Sometimes the scariest thing is when it doesn't have the decency to hide itself before it murderizes you.

>>50766070
Holy fuck

>>50766070
Do you have the original 4th dimension chess? I like the
>Where do I put the pieces?
>Don't you mean "when"?

>>50766154
There's already one of Wojack floating in space with an enlarged brain, but it is only a matter of time before he becomes smart enough to use his intelligence to use his excessively large cranium to make a house and wife out of it.
>>50766190
Nope.

>>50766024
>>50766131

Take note that the lightning projections are just one part of it. The real "oomph" of their armour's multi-media experience is the highlight reels of all the people they've tortured in their most agonizing moments.

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>>50766017
If the problem was as small as he was suggesting, why didn't he just get a regiment of stormtroopers to attack the leaders?
Or just obliterate the command with an orbital bombardment?

Also, the marines' actions seem close to Khornate heresy.

>>50766240
>>50766152
So do these guys just drop behind people, stand there for couple of seconds while they fumble with a the DVD controls?

How to we fix xenos deathlocks? They're shit.

AP2? Makes them worth considering over combiplasma, their direct competitor. Sure deathlocks aren't one use, but you have a higher chance of killing one of your own guys.

You need 4 deathlocks to kill one marine. The total shots fired is 8, the average ob 2d6 is 7. So if your guy doesn't have an invul you lose a guy too. Congrats, you spent 34 points to kill a marine and your own guy. That's terrible. You could have bought one combi plas for 10 points and done better. Three for 30 points would have done a shit ton better than 4 deathlocks for 34.

Take termis then, 4 deathlocks are 12 points and kill one marine and maybe you dont kill your guy because of the invul. One combi plas is still better for 10 points.

The more deathlocks you take the bigger the chance you have of killing one of your own dudes. The d6 bonus wounds against the enemy is not worth much if you only kill one and give a -1 to the leadership test.

I think AP2 and make them 20 straight and 15 to swap for a combi bolter. Then theyre expesnive, killy, and still dangerous to use.

>>50766289
He sent out a general appeal and the White Panthers showed up.

They then defeated the planet.

>>50766289
>Also, the marines' actions seem close to Khornate heresy.

Come on anon, dont be such a prude! Plenty of chapters would've done worse, Space Sharks would've killed the entire pdf and left a nuclear device inside the governor's ass or the Black Templars would've burned the entire hive city and left the Emperor to sort his own from the dead.

>>50766338
They're AP5, aren't they?

I hate to give this answer, but I don't think FW cares that much about fixing them, seeing how they're one option for the very minor faction that is blackshields.

>>50766240
the armor also screams with the sound of their torture victims.

>>50766770
>FW cares that much about fixing them
I know. It doesn't really bother me. I accept they are about New>fixing, and sometimes things do get fixed, but not to expect it soon. Its ok, it doesn't bother me as much anymore.

See ive been working on an errata for my group since jan. Watching batreps, playing, etc. I got LACAL covered, some BRB changes and im working on specific factions.

>AP5
Yes. They're slightly better at killing militia. But you could take a combi volkite and the argument repeats itself. But its even more skewed in favor of the volkite because of deflag.

>>50766932
>combi volkite
I just realized you could take a straight up volkite charger and its better than a deathlock in ever way. Damn.

>>50767005
Yup. Deathlock is probably trial-run rules for Volkite with a similar canned super-Gets Hot attached.

>>50767042
Its a 'Xeno' Deathlock. Its xeno tech from the spooky stars.

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>>50767100
Talking about how FW came up with the rules for them.

The Adeptus Mechanicus would never "test" any rules (like IRL Forge World *totally* does).
Volkite just works™. Thanks to praying to the great Machine God, of course.

>>50761367
>Always thought that was a weird rule interaction, that some stuff gets less lethal with sniper. Anyway, yeah, I'd say so. AP2 is brilliant, especially in a marine-heavy environment like 30k.
no it doesnt, you mong
read the FAQ forge world put out for 7th

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so Thanatar Cynis mock up for my dark mech, pretty much going to chuck a bunch of cables and shit on the guns connecting it to the body and call it a day.

>>50768280
>wark! wark!!

>>50768280
i like it, but i'm not sold on the arm as much

>>50765105
Aw yeh.

Funnily enough, it reminds me of the Carcharodons very short advznt calendar story "Judges in their Hunger" with Space Sharks coming on a planet taken over by Slaneeshy marines, absolutely fucking them up (I'm talking killing them so hard they throw those half a ton chaos lads back several meters with limbs missing) and immediately kill the former governor for failing to protect his world.

Is it worth it taking a Predator with no upgrades at all?

What's a good way to make some terminators look more Night Lords-y? I'm considering just using the CSM Terminator kit, but there is literally no reason to ever use Indomitus armor. That, and catalhractii with claws look awesome.

>>50766932
show yer work anon, time to show that errata.

>>50768894
skulls, flayed skin, lightning painted on
the flayed skin you can make outta greenstuff but it'll take practice

>>50768894
Paint them dark blue.

>>50768869
It's not bad at all, it's just not super competitive in the Heavy Support slot when it has to compete with some amazing units. If I ever collect a legion that does mechanized lists well I'd love to run the RoW that lets you have Predator troops.

>>50768900

Yea, I'm fucking terrible with green stuff, which sucks. I am blown away at the shit I see people do with it.

>>50768903
Duh

>>50768917
I like the idea of having a bunch of predators where each one corresponds to a squad in a 40k company.
1 Master of Armour: Captain
1 Sicaran: Chaplain
6 Preds with autocannons: Tactical Squads
2 with either flamestorm or magna-Meltas: Assault Squads
2 with either beamers or executioner cannons: Devastator Squads

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>>50768895
Here it is. It's not perfect, but it's a good start. I've ran the crunch on every single point in it. Added my own notes to clarify things as well. I'll continue to test it and refine it. If anyone wants to use it, test something out, provide feedback go for it.

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>>50768979

>>50768989
>IF is possibly the fluffiest legion to take Innominatus with
>Gain almost no benefit from these rules
I say just knock 5 points off Idominatus.

>>50768989
oh hey its you - "fixing destroyers"-anon! gonna give it a once over and see what I think.

>>50769014
The previous version was -15 for termi squads in it, and -5ppm. But then I saw the targeter rule talk and figured that a buff would make more sense than a discount. My group liked it a lot too. Besides, read on, Tartaros with SS are the way to fist.

But I do invite you to make that change to a discount and run it by your group. If it works for you guys go for it. My version is by no means the 'unofficial official'.

I have two dread claws that I'm converting, but I'm not sure what to put in them for my Night Lords. The problem is that I'm still not sure what the comp of my army will be. I think I want at least one full Volkite Terror squad, a raptor squad, and some clawed termies.

"Deathstorm Drop Pod: ...have it fire indiscriminately in
the after it lands ...” you're missing a word

>>50769047
You caught me ha. Please do. The more input the better.

>>50769063
Oh youre right. See this is why its a good idea to have more eyes. I'll fix it.

>>50768989
What about making Command Squads characters?

>>50769105
I do remember seeing a discussion about command squads. But I wasn't a part of it. Was it about making them characters?

That would make them qualify for some legion specific gear like scythes, phoenix spears, and power daggers. Though Deathshroud and, in this case discounted, Phoenix Termis exist. Though being able to take 'lite' versions of them with alternate kit and things like combiplas would be pretty cool. It does make sense thematically. I'll read through the legion gear and run numbers. Since theyre all one wound except for the bearer Look Out, Sir is pretty limited in usefulness.

>>50769073
your buff to headhunters does nothing besides encourage using them as seekers, the problem isn't reliability, their problem is to much incidental gear that drives up their cost, make them 160 for the first five, and 22 for each additional one but move them to elite.

compared to veterans; veterans would have power swords OR combi weapons compared to the combi-bolter power dagger shroudbomb, infiltraite headhunters.

command squads are ok currently and I don't think there's anything wrong with them? maybe change the option from combi-bolter to combi-weapon and give them chosen warriors (but I think they already have this?) DESU I'd prefer it if they got a champion as a secondary sergeant kinda deal.

>>50769162
That unit is one of the more 'in the works' entry. I had a longer version that basically rewrote them like destroyers and it was a mess. I used Veterans as a starting reference too. Then Seekers and the cost kept getting wonky. So I decided to take baby steps with them and start small.

Headhunters are Seeker+ though. Thats their job. It even says they started off as Seeker Squads and evolved into HH in their unit entry lore.

Mor Deythan are like Seeker+ as well. But where MD is better at shooting than Seekers, HH are better in melee as well and aren't 'one-use' like MDs Fatal Strike and Seekers Marked For Death. Head Hunters can keep on hunting well after their initial target is dead.

You use MD to really kill a specific target in shooting. Seekers to kill a target and camp with Scorpius ammo. And Head Hunters to assassinate, and then keep on the move killing power armor.

I do agree they do have bloat from a lot of kit though. I try to add before I subtract in these cases. The next step from what the errata has them now may be to discount them and remove Precision Shot and remove some of their kit as stock, and make them options. IE remove daggers, venom spheres, banestrike, etc from the stock loadout and make them cheap options so you can customize. That way nothing is really taken away, but you aren't forced to take everything.

>>50769218
yes but no matter how discounted you make them, until you start hacking away at their unique stuff the only thing you're going to end up with is... seekers. why not keep the gizmo kit, discounted it a bit and have them as something that does the same job as seekers but in a different way.

in the end all the legion unique units are one of 4 archetypes.
shooty marine, stabby marine, shooty terminator or stabby terminator. with some that are "do everything" marines like reavers and headhunters. to me its really boring to delegate headhunters to combi-plasma snore squad just like the normal seekers are.

banestrike combi-bolter
18" S4 Ap5 Assault 2, Rending, shred.

there, I fixed them into a close range tactical marine+ that shooty tooty's and then charges into melee to clean up.

>>50769256
herp, forgot the Twin linked in my haste.

>>50769256
>>50769256
>does the same job as seekers but in a different way
Thats what their venom spheres, power daggers, and game-long PE do. They con blow their combi loads, and then keep killing well in assault. Something seekers can't do. Seekers are 99% Shooting. HH are half shooting and half melee, and they do both well. Seekers only get the PE once but its against anything and you have a declare part of the rule. HH get it all game and you can use it when you want. Then charge in for melee. Combi melta may even be better, since it's assault you can then charge with venom spheres and go to town with power daggers.

Im working on the next iteration now. At this moment its:

Base cost is 125, and 15ppm. Removed Precision Shots. Then I added power daggers as an option and venom spheres as well. Right now I'm doing some numbers on what to price them as. 5ppm for daggers and 25 for squad wide VS(to match the generic pricing) will give a discount of 25 points if you take a full 10 with dagger and spheres. Then if you give them all combi plas they'll cost the same as 10 seekers with 9 combi plas. Less if you use this errata to give the sarge one, but Seekers to have AP2 ammo.

They trade the different ammo types for banestrike and better melee, Marked for Death with PE(Infantry), and Seekers Precision Shot for Infiltrate.

thats 275 points vs 255 (seekers) for worse shooting(worse then scorpius in all the ways) that doesn't synergize into assault, if headhunters are supposed to be 50% shooting and 50% assault then they need rules that synergize into them shooting a salvo and then running into that melee. they have infiltraite as a way to get close enough to use their short ranged bolters, but the window where you should use the bolter over the pistol is minimal. it'd probably be somewhat midly interesting to remove the combi bolter and switch them into a kind of destroyer instead, with options for combi weapons (or combi bolter) but thats going against fluff a bit.

give them relentless or grav harnesses for their bolters? 9" assault scorpius rounds sounds hilarious with PE and allow them to keep precision shot (with banestrike being AP3)

>>50768989
Abbadon needs EW, 4 wounds, maybe switch out his Psword for a Pblade.

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>>50768989
>Destroyers

It's a fine line to alter these without making them excessively "disposable" or making them excessively Mary-Sue like Coldsteel the Hedgeheg. I think they're currently a bit too "disposable".

I think they could be more interesting if they were outfitted a bit like Tactical Support Squads, with one pistol type per squad, and then special attacks like "Fury of the Legion" available to them with those weapons, though obviously they would be allowed to move beforehand and charge afterwards, while being caught out if they haven't cleared the way by turn's end.

So, if you declared "the bolt pistol FOTL", you'd get to fire each pistol twice, and/or with rending.
Volkite serpentas would be able to fire in templates instead, with a rule somewhat like a boosted "gets hot" for them, or just give them shred for a turn with that boosted "gets hot" as well. Hand-Flamers could get a special, once-per-game attack with phosphex, where if they don't shoot blasts or templates, shoot Assault D3 soul blaze phosphex weapons with very high chances of a "gets hot" effect applying the hits randomly to their unit.

Then to make Moritats useful again, let them apply shred to its units pistols, or at least give them preferred enemy.

Another way you could go is give the moritat enough rules to make him a real edgelord super-stealthy lone-wolf Mary Sue like the fluff supposes him to be (people would hate this though):

>Acute Senses
>Crusader
>Hatred (Traitors/Loyalists/Everything)
>Hit and Run
>Precision Strikes and Shots
>Rampage
>Shrouded

This might make him OP, but he isn't the same beast as other centurions who operate in a support role rather than an aggro role. (Unless you make him the support HQ solely for Destroyer squads)
Apply any of those special rules you see fit to Destroyers to see what use they are.

>inb4 all this is too OP
Not claiming to be a rule-defining expert here. Just trying to make these guys something other than pistol-wielding vet squads.

>>50769606
>Hatred (Self)

>>50769627
Kek.

>Hatred (Games Workshop)

Forgeworld sent me 2 right sides for my Spartan.


Do FW decals go on the same as the Games Workshop ones?

>>50769417
PE(Infantry) would be nice. They had it in HH3, but was removed for Age of Darkness Legions for reasons I don't know, maybe they wanted to make Alpharius compulsory or something, glad to see you added it. Don't take away their Precision shots. >>50769256's Banestrike profile looks nice.

Also, can your errata fix the Venom Sphere Harness thing? Currently only the Lernean Harrowmaster has it. It should be available to Legion termies too, or at least Terminator-equipped ICs.

Also, Phalanx Wardens can already be the compulsory troops: the RoW says they become "troops", doesn't specify "non-compulsory only" like The Reaping's Veteran & Heavy support squads.

>>50769491
Harnesses for Heavy bolters veteran-style sound nice. They should also be able to buy one per each five guys, not one per squad. But learn to quote.

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>>50768989
Also, Rotor guns no shred.
+1/+1 or +0/+2 to the number of shots.

>>50769734
FW decals work the same way, yes.

>>50764180
Seems legit.
I'm getting LEWD TONIGHT

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>>50769606
How about Shroud Bombs rather than Shrouded itself, but with Stealth.
Remove Hatred and I wouldn't quite call him OP.

>Acute Senses (& Scout)
>Crusader
>Hit & Run
>Precision Shots (sans Strikes)
>Rampage
>Stealth
>Shroud bombs with Rad grenades

>>50768989
Srry to butt in again, what was the Deathwatch's Guardian Spear stats?
I think there was some Blocking rule worded in a way it was more difficult to block a guardman's bayonet than a Knight's D chainsword. Such is the might of Man.

>>50769758
>>50769491 (You)
>> Harnesses for Heavy bolters veteran-style sound nice. They should also be able to buy one per each five guys, not one per squad. But learn to quote.
I said harnesses for their normal bolters. making them assault and cutting their range in half. 9" assault 2 bolters sounds fun if not super useful.

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>>50769813
Yeah, I say no to that and yes to 18" S4 Ap5 Assault 2, Twin-Linked, Rending, Shred.

Their combi-bolters are over and under rather than side to side (bolter only, no underslung weapon), so no need for Harnesses if they are assault weapons

>>50769813
>if not super useful.
it'd be crazy useful in zone mortalis, at the least

>>50769828
both of those options is me, I was just fishing for alternatives and my main wish is the assault 2 shred, rending one. it'd be a bit different then scorpius while having nice synergy with power knives. as an amendum if they get assault bolters, please take away their pistol and have them with two knives instead :')

Moar homebrew.

LEGION RHINO ADVANCER
50 Points BS 4 AV 11/11/10 4HP
Vehicle (Tank, Transport, Open-Topped)

Wargear:
Searchlight
Smoke launcher
Two pintle mounted combi-bolters

Special Rules
Repair

Transport Capacity: 20 models (Rhino Advancers may not carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules).

Access Points
The Rhino Advancer has two access points on each side of the hull and one at the rear, note that due to the open topped nature of the Rhino Advancer these do not have to be used but any model that does not use them incurs -1 inch to there disembark range.

Options
A Rhino Advancer may take any of the following:
Hunter-killer missile: 5 points
Dozer blade: 5 points
Auxiliary Drive: 10 points
Extra Armour: 5 points
A Rhino Advancer may replace one of their pintle-mounted weapons:
Combi-weapon: Free
Heavy bolter: 5 points
Heavy flamer: 5 points
Multi-melta: 10 points
Havoc launcher: 10 point

The Rhino Advancer may be taken as a dedicated transport by any Legion Tactical Squad, Legion Breacher Squad, or Reaver Attack Squad that numbers 11 models or more.

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>>50769867
>please take away their pistol and have them with two knives instead :')
Well these are only hopes and good wishes. I dont kniw what can I do about it. Have a Headhunter Prime's customized Power dagger.

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All anime faggots go back to /a/ plz

>>50770048
>I respond to arguments resolved 16+hrs ago
Fascinating specimen

Which legion would Brendan Fraser be part of?

>>50770073
Whichever one he's ordered to be part of.

Recruits don't choose.

>>50770091
Terran legionaries sort of did. It was exam based.

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>>50770123
And we all remember the whole
>Congrats, you'll be a White Scar!
>Aaaaaw. I wanted to be a Luna Wolf...

>>50770152
I'm honestly curious about the questions for that exam. I hope it's better than the quizs that get posted here every now and then.

>>50770167
Which legion do you want to be a part of?
>Anything but SoH, you get in.
>Pick SoH, roll a d20.

I presume those resin special/heavy weapon sets that came out after Betrayal at Calth are compatible with the Mark 3 armour from Burning of Prospero?

>>50770186
More compatible with the plastic MKIII than resin MKIII. Source: working on Iron Havocs atm.

>>50770123
Eh? When was that?

Early in the Great Crusade, legions had relative areas that they recruited from. And later in the Crusade, marines went to whoever needed reinforcement.

>>50770209
Iron within, brutha!

I was rather surprised to hear they'd not included the full complement of "standard" weapons in the Mk3 boxes. Ah well, I have some Iron Warriors Missile launchers in Mark 4.

>>50770218
I don't care so much. I need them in batches of 10 so getting 3 per box is useless when I still need to get 2 blisters from FW. My big gripe is that they didn't include a fancy head with a proper plume on it like the FW upgrade set does.

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>>50770043
No, THIS is what a headhunter power dagger looks like

I have a friend that wants to play using the Legio Cybernetica rules.

Which books should I suggest he buy to get the rules in the easiest ways possible for our next Forge World order?

I don't know anything about the Mechanicus other then the fact that my chain axes make them cry.

>>50770377
The Taghmata book.

>>50770393
Will that cover everything?

>>50770425
except the aratalax an the new fatty knight

>>50770500
Sounds good thanks

>>50770425
You need HH6 too.

So shattered legion question,

I want one, so I need 2 or more legions. I understand the rule that if I want the special things from a legion, then I need a HQ of some sort, like a Salamander forgelord in order to use Fire drakes.
Can I take "vanilla" units of different legion flavours without the tax of another HQ for each legion represented?

So I have Autek Mor and some IH legion units, and a couple of Raven Guard Tacticals. Do I need a Raven guard HQ for the tacticals?

Furthermore, Can you give me nice combos of Shattered legions, that are fun.

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>>50770352
No I said Headhunter Prime's. It's pretty much that but his dagger bought a dagger of its own for +5 daggerpoints.
With a laser pointer, extra precision you see.
This is just the regular Headhunder's power dagger.

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Plasma or Meltas on Vets in a Drop pod?

>>50770739

Plasmas. You can have better Ani-tank in Drop pods. Dreads, Termies etc. BTW, which legion?

>>50770739
Depends on what you want/need them to do.

>>50770739
Meltas, instant death shit.

>>50770771
>>50770773
>>50770786
Perfect.

>>50770794

You got three answers, now decide.

>>50770771
>>50770773
>>50770786
Th-thanks guys

Here's the list
--- Raven Guard - 2500pts ---
- Decapitation Strike -
>HQ
Forge Lord: Rad Grenades, Jump pack, Cyber Familiar, Power Axe, Field - 155

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer - 135
[Rhino - 35]
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer - 135
[Rhino - 35]
5x Support Squad: 5x Melta, Artificer - 185
[Drop Pod - 35]

>Elites
10x Vet Tactical Squad: 2x Melta, Artificer, Melta Bombs - 225
[Drop Pod - 35]
7x Mor Deythan: 5x Combi-Flamers, 2x Melta, Artificer - 250
[Rhino - 35]

>Fast Attack
10x Dark Fury - 325
3x Javelin Speeders: 6x HK Missiles, 3x MM - 225

>Heavy Support
Deredeo: Aiolos ML, Ceramite - 240

>Lord of War
Corax - 450
2500/2500pts

>>50770815

yeah, meltas seems like the right choice. You have sufficient anti-marine weapons/units.

New Thread soon?

I made a silly edit with my non-existant Paint skills and I want tot get plenty of (You)s.

>>50770848
No.

>>50770848
Page 8-11 is the official time, Anon.

>>50770862
>>50770863
Ugh, I litteraly can't even.

>>50770848
There's still 50+ posts before next thread, so I'm not saying there's a chance your edit could make it to the summary.
There, didn't say it. You're just assuming things.

>>50770868
... can't even spell literally?

>>50770835
Cool thanks

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>>50770884
Screw it, I'm supposed to be working anyway, here, have my shitty Paint edit.

>>50770901
You got me there.

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>>50770952
Aaaayy

>>50771017
Still can't get over the fact that the pauldrons of my Tartaros are now a meme. Pretty proud.

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>>50758373

Does anyone know if Forge World is discontinuing the Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw.

I've emailed Forge World but haven't got a reply.

If they are can the model and rules still be used in 30k.

>>50771098
*If they are, can the model and rules still be used in 30k.

>>50771037
Imagine how the dude who painted an RT era beaky marines reloading his bolter feels when that model became the must-have it did after the Johnny meme.

>>50771642
Pretty sure the old anon has pushed the meme himself a lot. Not that it bothers me, but you can easily see that he basically puts him in almost all his photos so that we can recognise him.

He also used to have a "I love you Daddy" drawing on the mess that is his desk. If it's messy and with a Jonny on it, it's his desk.

>>50771037
>Still can't get over the fact that the pauldrons of my Tartaros are now a meme.

>>50771642
>the Johnny meme.

I'm not familiar with either of these. Pls explain.

>>50771642
I actually sent a Johnny for the Secret Santa and I know Johnny anon sent one as well, since he has taken upon himself to recast those. A bit disappointed the anon that got it didn't acknowledge it, rather only the Box of Dreamforge troopers but oh well.

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>>50771748
A few weeks ago I was painting a Tartaris. I quickly posted the pauldrons to show the effect of masking tape to do clean hazard stripes easily, and some anon took them, cropped and shopped them on Perty's face, which indeed looks like sunglasses on >>50771017

The Johnny meme is one anon posting a RT beakie, Brother Craig, looking like he's talking to his magazine, which reminded another anon of the kid that talks to his plank from a cartoon, and baptised him Johnny, like in said cartoon. Pretty much everyone in the /wip/ threads like this harmless mini and it has since then become a symbol, being painted in several colours by other anons. Just a harmless community meme all in all.

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>>50771835
>tfw I made both of those images

I need to get out more...

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>>50771835
Oh, wow.
Yeah, that glasses meme is fantastic. One of my favourite reaction images.
And your hazard painting would surely have done a good job of making the round and smooth Tartaros look like the desperate, harsh Iron Warriors' wargear. Though I can't say I've seen your originals on the model yet, so I'll withhold more conclusive judgement.

"Johnny" is a weird looking mini but I can't say I find it really funny, just cute.

>>50771894
Memes are the DNA of the soul.
You have a strong soul.
You're basically a psyker.

>>50771894
You're a pillar of /tg/'s glorious meme culture though.

>>50771894
>>50771940
>>50771982
The inspiration of our generation!

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>>50771940
Here, have a not so perfect picture of a part of my Bitter Boys.

>>50758373
All right everyone, give me your wish list for Inferno. What do you want to get out of that book?

>>50772152
Given that I don't play TS or SW (along with the majority of people) I hope that the Talons of the Emperor list isn't super restrictive as previewed in White Dwarf (i.e. squads have wargear options). Also maybe some cool ZM missions?

>>50764345
we all have our head-canon, but most of us don't choose to force it on others.

>>50772152

The TS and SW are both nearly dead-last in terms of my interest for Legions, so I'm mainly hoping for some unit reworks (ie. Destroyers) and good, readable fluff + colour plates.

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>>50772028
Ah, I remember those.

Yes, the Tartaros looks suitably bitter.
Though this might be a trick of the light, the fact that the lower kneepads seem darker, combined with the muddy base, makes them reminiscent of wellington boots.
Good stuff.

>>50772152
Custodes who are actually stronger than Emperor's Children rank and file.

Thousand Sons who can tailor their psychic use to make them an all-purpose army, without being OP or not diverse enough.

And that there be some kind of surprise/bonus for players of at least some other legions.
Specifically, these guys, with some kind of Imperial Fists exclusive elite unit built around them, perhaps being able to give them all assault cannons.The Dakka is OUR birthright, Blood Angels! Stay out of this!

>>50772216
#JustBLThings

>>50772275
>Custodes who are actually stronger than Emperor's Children rank and file.
Phoenix Terminators are hardly Rank and File.
Plus, Custards are already better than them.

>>50772152
Honestly, at this stage, I want Inferno to be average. No big surprises, no major fluff-shakeups, the wolves and the sons comfortably in the mid-tier of the legion power rankings. Nothing to cause a shitstorm, in other words. Just...an average book, with decent-enough fluff and rules.

>>50772503
I want it to be over so we can see legions without horrifically botched story arcs.

>>50772503
>comfortably in the mid-tier of the legion power rankings

I just realised - I've never heard what people think the legion rankings are. That's probably a good sign.

>>50772503
I'm also hoping for not too much of a shake up, or suddenly being overrun by Leviathans or Cortus contemptors for example.
The experimental rules for that custodes tank didn't exactly fill me with much hope on that however.

>>50772579
What was the matter with the custodes tank?

>>50772746
It's really good. AP 2 with extra oomph.

>>50772746
Kills everything ever.

>>50772746
Shoots even if it jinks!

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>>50771758
but I did post in /wip/ that I got the johnny and the einzernkern's (and a chaos lord) you probably just missed it at that time. its me, awefully dirty luna wolves anon