Horus Heresy General /hhg/

word beaers a shit

How much artillery is fine for an Ordo Reductor army at 1500-2k points? I want to do a combined arms list, with artillery, Thallax and Thralls supported by a group or two of Castellax or Arlatax and Vorax, plus some planes or Vulturax, but I keep seeing people say arty is OP in 30k and from what I've seen there are a lot of footslogging squads at the local GW, and even though we play on 4x4 I feel I'd probably cut them to bits.
Only dangerous thing I've really seen is the WE player with his Storm Eagle and Kharybidis filled with Butchers and Angron.

Would ideally like two or three Medusae, but I'm happy to use any other artillery apart from Vindicators.

Also, is Decima any good as anything other than a suicide bomb? Seems he trades basically everything good about a Magos Reductor for EW and his REEEEEE attack.

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>>50742115
Answer the man's question, /hhg/!

>>50742110
Burn down every single one of their temples and put them into hearses.

>>50742121
Not too fussed about it, I guess I could always talk it over before the game, but I would rather not buy more artillery than I'll ever use when there are so many other cool as hell models in the range.

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>>50742121
Thank you based anon, made my day

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>>50742121
holy fuck

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>>50742115
I would go with two Medusae at the most.

>>50742115
>Ordo Reductor
I'm gonna be straight with you: Ordo Reductor was a mistake.

Everything about it is awesome. Except the crunch. Where's it's entirely too good.

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>>50742121
>opportunistic screeching
holy shit

the BA cup icon is a 40k thing right? used to symbolise the death of sanguinius and his blood being collected?

>>50742200
I think the pimp cup was around back then yes.

>>50742115
>>50742121
Thanks, Meme-master!

About the Ordo Reductor thing:

One Arty piece and if you can take it a plasmar mortar guy (dunno if reductor can't take them, but they should).

Its not very much for 30k and more might be mean.

No idea about Decima.

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>>50742115
>Also, is Decima any good as anything other than a suicide bomb? Seems he trades basically everything good about a Magos Reductor for EW and his REEEEEE attack.
Ehhh, weeell...
At least you can use him for taghmata

>>50742110

not as shit as nite lords

>>50742183
What is this?

>>50742245

Salad serving tongs for the Vegan Auxiliary.

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>>50742245
The Rake equivalent to the scissor blades.

>>50742245
Another tool for the coming war against the leafs I guess ?

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Bone armour on left, or Rakarth flesh on right? I've got 40 sludge boys waiting to be primed up one or the other.

>>50742294
looks amazing...except the glow effect is not really convincing me.

I mean, I do not like them in general.

very nice!

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Anon what did this 4MB Saboteur explode?
>>50742273
Oh, for when you lack a shovel? :^)
>>50742276
LIGHTNING SPADES
>>50742287
I knew you were going to say something about the leafs.

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>>50742294
Hello, Anon. Is that a golden bug on the top guy second to the left? And what's on that guy on the bottom far left?

>>50742183
>>50742216

OK, I think I'll get (well, convert) two Medusae, since I don't have a Thanatar (OR can run every automata, they just can't have them outnumber their other units), which works out well as I can then get two boxes of Guardsmen and convert them into Forge World Militia (Adsecularis) and have a full unit of those as well. Throw in a Magos, two units of Thallax and maybe an enginseer squad and that's a low points list to start with, I'd think.

>>50742219

Yeah, somehow I thought so. Shame, I like his fluff, just wish there was some more about him and Crysos Morturg, the most dysfunctional buddy cop show ever.

>>50742196

Honestly I do really like the "Rolling Bombardment" thing, and the Walkers in Ruin bonus looks shiny. Is it the spamming artillery that you object to? I guess they are 0-1 for the Legions for a reason.
Personally I do want to try deepstriking Thallax into ruins, since they ignore the mishap.

>>50742294

Rakarth Flesh, in my opinion, although both look good. Maybe chill on the eye glow a bit, though, it looks a bit like you've spilled paint down their helmets.

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>>50742319
Neat saboteur there.
>LIGHTNING SPADES
That's what I thought when I saw it.

>>50742332
Good list idea!
Productive manufacturing-schedule, Magos!

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>>50742332
>Yeah, somehow I thought so. Shame, I like his fluff, just wish there was some more about him and Crysos Morturg, the most dysfunctional buddy cop show ever.
But there is. Blackshield, the novel.
Dysfunctional? Nonsense, they do a grwat team as Bad Cop and EVEN WORSE Cop, like these guys.
>>50742351
Not mine, anon's.
>Raven's Talons, Leafy pattern

>>50742321
They're both spare bits from the blightkings kit. its a little fly symbol for on top of standards. I might rip it off and recast it and do all the shoulders for 1 squad with it.

>>50742378
So are astartes 7 ft or 8 in power armour?

>>50742332
>OR can run every automata, they just can't have them outnumber their other units
You could bring six Thanatars (two full units of three) and it would still not outnumber your compulsory Thallax units.
Reductor's "limitations" are a joke.
Yes, I'm laughing in binharic greek right now.

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>>50742294
Depends if you want them to be Nurgle-worshipping Mortarion fanboys, or independent-minded non-Chaos or even loyalist DG (left versus right). Those are what the subtleties say to me on unadorned models, but both will work. The bone-coloured one looks more like the "standard" tone to me as well, for what that's worth to you, good or bad.

>>50742419
Hopefully allways smaller, so 7.
They are broad as fuck allready.

>>50742430
Thank you, friend!

>Yes, daddy!

HA!

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>>50742419
7 feet, even Custodes (their weapons are 4 meters long, not themselves) are like 7'3"-5" tall.
That mortal is simply a bit behind Thiel. It all started because someone did a true scale drawing of a marine on paper, and the scale started at 1feet rather than at 0, so it still was 7feet tall.

>>50742425
True, although my main reason not to run robots is that they work better with the Cybernetica +1I, so I will probably use Vorax and Arlatax so as to at least be able to hit simultaneously.

>>50742378

OK, I will def. take a look at that once I'm done with Priests/Lords/Gods of Mars, which has been good so far.

>>50742371

Why thank you, Archmagos. I do have to finish refurbishing the indentured Knight House first, though (After 40k Admech, FINALLY FLAT SURFACES! PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH).

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Made you lads a shitty meme.

>>50742461
>tfw you can bring 12 Vorax and you're still legally able to be a Reductor as long as you bring an actual reductor Magos and six Thallax

>>50742493
And that way, you don't even need to buy them frag grenades. That means you can afford some cyber-occularis and give those 6 Thallax Interceptor.
Man, those things look awesome. Cover reduction, artillery spotting, deepstrike bonuses, Intercepting Guided Artillery with said cover reduction, the whole package.

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>>50742461
I hope you oversee the strict enforcement of the Sidon-protocolls over thos oath-bound house,Magos-Prelate.
We both do agree that they are no use to our plans regarding the advancment of the Genetor-Congregation if they do not perform to the Synods full statisfaction?

>>50742319
His spree of wrecked vehicles and dreams started agains some Iron Hands. Upon arriving from reserves he exploded the landraider with command squad and praetor in terminator armour - including two of the command squad terminators

Next game, same Iron Hands, same Land Raider. No collaterals sadly, but he did manage to outflank next to a Venator and blow it up with his combi-melta

sub-2000 points game against Salamanders. He brought a spartan with 5 firedrakes and a pimped up praetor inside it, rolled the infiltrate warlord trait from the strategic table and infiltrated it all on one of my flanks. Turn 2 the spartan was eliminated, and the firedrakes spend the rest of the game trying to catch my units running away from them.

Team battle, my AL and mechanicus against IH and Salamanders. Spartan loaded with Pyroclasts bites the dust this time, and the IH's Venator was to close to the table edge yet again.

Another game against Salamanders. Yes the guy is starting to despise my Saboteur by now. Doesn't stop my sneaky fellow from exploding his Spartan yet again.

A game for a campaign we're doing here agains World Eaters, 2000 points. This time I'm facing a fully pimped spartan with 5 red butchers and a praetor in it. My saboteur arrives too late and the unit inside already disembarked, but the Spartan still exploded (the butchers got shot to bits by a plasma support squad and heavy bolter dudes after ripping through one of my veteran squads)

A friendly game against Iron Hands goes a bit sour when my Saboteur arrives, explodes a land raider and blows up a twin-kheres contemptor that was lingering too close to the edge of the table.

Another campaign battle, this time against the Salamanders. He no longer brings a spartan against me because, but loaded pyroclasts inside a Land Raider proteus this time. I think you guys can guess what happend by now :^) Afterwards the guy swears he's going to build a lists that counters Saboteurs.

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>>50742486
Blood Ravens hating?!? Where?
Also, this.
Lots of memes recently, I like /hhg/, a high-energy comfy thread.

>>50742593
Hmm, maybe fucking up when your guys arrive with a damocles or proteus with explorator web?

I have no idea how else...except taking less vehicles.

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>>50742540
Interceptor with AP4 guns

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>>50742626
Bottom left...

>FOR YOU

I want to do Solar Auxilia and I will...y-you just watch!

>>50742419
Primarchs are by my arithmetic 8 and a half feet. Marines are 7 feet officially. Termies are primarch height also officially. So in armor they'd be somewhere 7.5 to 8 ft, which makes you correct

>>50742593
Honestly, if I was in your group I'd be starting to get pretty fucking suspicious about your dice.

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>>50742683

>>50742675
I prefer that to 3 meter primarchs, except for maybe Magnus.

Seriously, gigantism was a mistake. Are Space Marines Orks, that can be sorted by HUEGness?

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Daily reminder

>>50742745
Valdor is the only one allowed to say this and he is probably right even in a not screwed up contuinity.

Why not have huge meaty gene-seed blobs instead of primarchs?

No heresy here!

>>50742294
I think bone for mkiv and radar the flesh for mkiii, it's what I did when I painted dg.

Now I play Smurfs because we needed a loyalist legion at our store.

>>50742691
Well they don't have any reason to be suspicious because outside of that Saboteur most of my rolls are depressingly bad. If you ever need somebody to fail 12 out of 15 power armour saves on a regular basis ...

>>50742590
My predecessor in the role allowed many to depart as Knights Questoris. The required cadre will be ready for your arrival, but I advise that the Protocols should be tightened at the next meeting of the Synod. Encroachments of the Legio Vulturum and House Malinax mean we cannot afford to have our forces further weakened by glory hounds.

+++ Encryption Grade Aleph-null +++

How fares the project, Archmagos? We have little time, and if the "Revenants" work as anticipated, we could regain the offensive.

+++ Message Ends +++

>>50742766
Oh, cool.

Thought it was "muh loyalty" more than "hail horus".

What do the others play?Not ONE Blood Angels player?

>>50742812
PS:

We need a Loyalist/Traitor Poll in the paste-bin (is that the word?).

Speaking of Saboteur, how useful is the generic Vigilator in comparison? I don't do "sneaky" stuff yet but I'm interested in learning about the tactics.

>>50742651
Well, they roll with the Thallax primarily for the 5+ cover, and because they are the only unit far enough out for my spotting drones to buff, and I may as well give Interceptor to SOMETHING.

My army will take a while to build, though, since after the Knight at Christmas I can just about get the Thallax I need and maybe a Magos, long-term project really.

>>50742745
Wonder what kind's of rules he will get.
If he gets the current Guardian Spear Rules, he is fucked.

>>50742810


+++ Encryption Grade Aleph-null +++
The conversion of brought up refugee convoy from the Manachea system is at 87%.
Expect the arrival of the first cohort in 5 standard time cycles.
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Are you a loyalist, by the way? I mean...most Mechnicum duders would probably use what they have at hand regardles of loyalty..but it depends.

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>>50742593
Holy shit, capped. Could we see the rest of your list, please?
>>50742658
Non-marine minorities!
I like that pic a lot. Get pumped up with the Real Solar Auxilia song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAMkb6QgyMs

Pikes opposing horsemen,
arquebusiers confronting pikemen
With the soul united by the same clergy
let the blood run protecting the empire
Cross of Burgundy fluttering in the wind
Children of Santiago, great are the Tercios
Pikemen squad, flanks to cover
only those who aren't afraid can be free
Fight for your brother, die for your kingdom
Live for peace on this great empire
There'll never be defeat if they capture us,
only after death will we capitulate
Mesh collar, leather vest,
Breastplate and backrest shall keep me from the iron (blade)
Raise the pikes with a song to the sky
I'll never fear if the Tercio is in column (formation)

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Well i feel like a fool
>>50742969

If you don't mind anons

>>50742930
Probably suits spanish people better, due to more emotion for them.

The text fits absolutely though.

>>50742200
Nah, they were all about the pimp cup full of blood even back during the Heresy.

They would pass it around and each contribute a little blood, and then pass it back around and each sip the mix. It was a bonding ritual or something. I can't exactly remember.

>>50742793
I warned you about stealing armour from isstavan, bro.

>>50742930
I like a lot of variaty with my armylists, so most of those battles I had a different armylist. But I usually have Dynat, Saboteur, laser destroyer rapiers, missile javelins, a venator, a plasma support squad, and then usually either lots of tacticals in rhinos and lernaean or veterans in rhinos and seekers. And those are just the most common units used, as there's also an Exodus in there from time to time, or some destroyers, lately also breachers, and sometimes the rare contemptor.

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For my RG army should i only use Mk4 and Mk6 pattern armour?
I feel a whole army of Mk6 would be way too expensive

>>50743055
>They would pass it around and each contribute a little blood, and then pass it back around and each sip the mix.
Sounds damn unhygienic.

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>>50742998
I mainly said that because the Solar Auxilia main troop organization unit is the Tercio, and they use Close Formation Fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMEnBHef96c

>>50743144
I know, movie looks pretty good.

Is that Alatriste? Or however you write this?

>>50742839

Quite good, he's essentially an easy way to give move through cover, scout and stealth to one unit.

Plus for some reason he can take a jet pack so enjoy those 3+ cover saves as you don't take dangerous terrain tests on your assault marines.

>>50743163
Yup, that one. Means Sad-wing.

>>50742995
What's "MM" on the mor deythan? Whatever it is, I like plasma guns as the two special weapons on those dudes.

Vet tac squad seems a bit odd, would expect either a few more combimeltas in there, or alternately a couple of power weapons. At the moment you're paying a lot of points for 2 tank hunting (I assume) meltaguns.

>>50742918

+++ Encryption Grade Aleph-null +++

Excellent. I look forward to seeing them in action. The Atrapos-Variant has been refined to an acceptable level of control and is ready for embarkation. Pilot mental state should be sufficent for approx. 4.52 Martian Standard Sols of combat.

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Vulturax Automata scouts have detected enemy muster at the bounds of Forge Delta. Their particular capabilities seem resistant to the usual weapons, ensure Irrad and Phosphex weaponry is replaced by more mundane variants by the landing force. The enemy appears to have little mobility, however.

Lances 4 through 8 have engaged, detecting multiple contacts. Enemy has specialist chemical ordnance, ensure void seals are tight. May the Omnissiah guide your fire.

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Loyalist at present, but when things scale up to levels where Primarchs will be common, I have a feeling more... liberal technologies will be required.
Death Guard (who will probably be one of my main opponents) require some unorthodox approaches over the Reductor standard, as well. They don't die easily and can cut the heavier robots to bits just as well as the light automata.

>>50743191
MM are multimeltas, and yeah i know that really i should have more combis in that squad but i thought i'd give the whole squad bombs instead
I was debating the Plasma on the Deythan too, but i think i needed more pure AT

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>>50743100
Thanks m8
>a plasma support squad
Are these guys the ones you deepstrike with Dynat?

>>50743204
I like the Admech with its robo clergy, at least most of them have actual skill!

Do you believe the Magos Biologis have it sometimes harder to get acceptance? Might be due to the focus on metal, but the focus on one-ness with the Omnissiah via one-ness with the machine begins with flesh and blood for every pilgrim.
Doesn't it?

>>50743227
No, those guys always ride in a rhino, sometimes with a MoS with them. I don't often use the deep-strike of Dynat actually ... damn should remember to use it more often

>>50743272
Magos Biologis normally start the same as the rest, moving up through the Auxilia. I expect they'd be accepted like any other, but have more difficulty getting promoted once they start seriously using biological augments over mechanical.

Of course, if the Forge World or Explorator Fleet has a sizable Biologis presence, that would not be a problem, since they believe that a properly constructed body is a type of machine, so there would be no such prejudice in those places since it would be a more mainstream tenet of that variant of the Cult Mechanicus.

>>50743349
Just look at the space marines or primarchs, if that shit is not the best example of biological machines I do not know how.

They are the ones keeping the flesh and nerve strands from detoriating, augments from being rejected by bodies!

>Mumblegrumble no wonder the Dark Admech is way more focused on achieving a unity of flesh and machine ....and way better at it!

>>50743272
We have the IRL story of a Magos Biologis attached to a Reductor cadre. Magos Derek Lowe.

>Today we have a fine compound from this line of work, part of a series derived from N-amino azidotetrazole. The reasonable response to that statement is “Now hold it right there”, because most chemists will take one look at that name and start making get-it-away-from-me gestures. I’m one of them. To me, that structure is a flashing red warning sign on a dead-end road, but then, I suffer from a lack of vision in these matters

>...even Klapötke himself, who clearly has refined sensibilities when it comes to hellishly unstable chemicals, calls “exciting”. Trust me, you don’t want to be around when someone who works with azidotetrazoles comes across something “exciting”

>...Both the initial communication and the follow-up publication go out of their way to emphasize that the compound just cannot be handled: The sensitivity of C2N14 is beyond our capabilities of measurement. The smallest possible loadings in shock and friction tests led to explosive decomposition. . .

>Yep, below the detection limits of a lab that specializes in the nastiest, most energetic stuff they can think up. When you read through both papers, you find that the group was lucky to get whatever data they could. The compound exploded in solution, it exploded on any attempts to touch or move the solid, and (most interestingly) it exploded when they were trying to get an infrared spectrum of it. The papers mention several detonations inside the Raman spectrometer as soon as the laser source was turned on, which must have helped the time pass more quickly.

>This shows a really commendable level of persistence, when you think about it – I don’t know about you, but one exploding spectrometer is generally enough to make recognize a motion to adjourn for the day.

>But these folks are a different breed.

>>50743227

So are you running him with a combi melta or something?

>>50743445
As the creator of the saboteur (but not that screencap) I can confirm that there's a combi-melta hanging on his back.

>>50743349
>I expect they'd be accepted like any other, but have more difficulty getting promoted once they start seriously using biological augments over mechanical.
I think opposite of this. The Taghmata codex states other magi don't like them, seeing Lacryaemarta as "peddlers in flesh and blood", but everyone knows they absolutely need them, since all manual labour and servitors and anything that interacts with organics (pretty much everything since Abominable Intelligence is banned) depends on them.

>>50743429
I love it!

You better respect the guy who can make blobs of flesh produce explosive slime!

>>50743516
Show us his combi-melta, Sabotanon!
>>50743551
From this
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2013/01/09/things_i_wont_work_with_azidoazide_azides_more_or_less

>>50743533
Possibly, although I thought the Lacryaemarta were essentiallty overseers and slave-drivers.

I guess this stuff would vary from forge world to forge world, they are all quite different.

>>50743592
>I thought the Lacryaemarta were essentiallty overseers and slave-drivers.
Yes they are, but I thought that was the top-most position for biologis careers. I mean, why else would you want to understand biologic systems if not to better harvest their Motive Force? :^)

>>50743561
Thanks for linking it again.

>>50743592
>>50743533
If you look at House Orlac, yo ucan see what a good Biologos can do, even though back then the Mechanicum was probably not existing when they settled there.

>>50743634
Making servitors with space marinified ogryn bodies?

Fine tuning augments and recieving flesh? Upclocking braiiiiins?

Organic chemistry and how simple organism produce all the shit we need if correctly programmed?

>>50742890
He will probably be a bit above sigismund.

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>>50742294
I'm not sure whether they're all tipsy or they're blushing so hard it shows through their helmets
>B-baka! It's not like I like melting the non-compliant or anything!

>>50743683
Kek.

>>50743664
>Making servitors with space marinified ogryn bodies?
Kataphrons and some other Combat Servitors are T5, so I guess. Also they helped the Emperor to create the actual space marines, including the uncooperative Selenites.
>Fine tuning augments and recieving flesh?
I think the most advanced thing they could create would be artificial flesh. As in, a Magos would look like a regular human, even better, but it's actually synthetic flesh with a few traces of organic compounds. A body truly made a machine.
>Upclocking braiiiiins?
Standard Machine Spirit creation :^)
>Organic chemistry and how simple organism produce all the shit we need if correctly programmed?
I remember something about one of Iron Man's suits being made through modified bacteria creating the nano circuitry as a byproduct of their bodily processes, so yeah it can be.

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>>50743561
It's just a combi-melta

>>50743762
The finest augments are not worth shit if your body rejects them, also making an allready fast car faster and the whole bio electricity harnessing mechanicum standard coil thing (if you believe black heresy) is probably also their area.

As well as planting it into people.

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>Magos Biologis.mgs

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>>50743790
Yeah I mean they also do that. Implantation of anything.
>black heresy
Srry, couldn't resist boyyyyyyy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQCo9fLYWI

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>>50743859

>>50742763
They should have just upgraded all the Custodes into Primarch-level warriors.

Golden Legions of Primarch/Emperor tier warriors, just like my animu inspired headcanon would want. What could go wrong?

>>50742200
In Fear to Tread which is the only book we have dedicated to them at one point they mention using a tall tumbler with hollow spikes to collect the blood of legionaries and mix it together. They then used it to apply markings to the legionaries' foreheads. Terran and Baalite marines both took part in the ritual even though it was born from Baalite culture because it symbolised their unity as a legion. Kano (who was observing the ritual) compared it to swearing an oath on a weapon like other legions do.

They never mention the chalice in the book and we don't see its symbology used in any of the HH stuff that FW is releasing. In the 40k codex it says that Sanguinius himself forged the chalices and gave them to the Sanguinary Priesthood which he formed because he forsaw the Black Rage and Red Thirst taking hold of the legion. So maybe at some point between now and Terra we will see him then the apothecarion into the Sanguinary Priesthood.

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Would you be mad if I used this as a Leviathan Siege dreadnought?

>>50743943
Thats why you keep normal custodes and have non sentient flesh bags produce gene seed instead of primarchs.

If I wanted to play Emperor's Children, which black book do I get (if I even need one)?
please don't bully me I just want to learn

>>50743958
Yes.

>>50743958
It would be actually damaging to you since its bigger and taller, so...no?

ALso, amazing mini...maybe a bit to chaosy..

>>50743986
For the rules, the two legion red books.

Black books..1 and 2 are tthe most important.

>>50743986
For fluff? Betrayal, for rules? Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness army list and legions books.

>>50743958
A bit, looks nice but maybe consider using Defilers as part of a DarkMech Reductor tanks.

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>>50743991
>>50744002
thanks guys

>>50743110
Why only one or the other?

>>50743943
Not as easy as it sounds as the Custodes capabilities and creation process are not standardized. There's no straight forward process to improve them, like there is to go from a human to an Astartes.

>>50743110
No. You should use armor that is appropriate to the personality of each marine. Throw in some Mk2 and Mk5 as appropriate for the stubborn ones, and the psycho ones.

>>50744341
A question I have is how the Emperor selected the Custodes. The Astartes had planet-wide selection processes, so it would seem that they'd be more likely to pick up the "cream of the crop" of each generation, unless the Emperor picked-and-chose exceptional children as he saw them and as he had time he edited them to be Custodes.

I have a challenge for you /hhg/
Pick one armor mark, and loadout, for each legion.
Can only use the Legion Vet rules.

>inb4 armor fagging
Just pick a slightly fluffy armor mark for a veteran- like for IF MkII Crusade because 'if it ain't broke don't fix it', or MkIV for AL because they intercepted it.

>>50744378
I think he just picked really loyal warriors who he trusted, and let his gene skills elevate them.

Kind of that whole reason why the Custodes were bantering and viewed the Astartes as crude, because they were ultimately human in soul. Also why do you think one of the Emperor's own Custodes gave the fucking Emperor a pep talk "No you can rebuild it Emperor, you're the emperor and we can rebuild the webway. Don't be so sad and filled with Chaos angst Emperor-senpai!"

>>50743958
That's what I'm planning to do, though with some modifications. For one, I'm cutting the last two legs off and putting some tanks there (Baal predator flamer ones). The front of the lower body will get a poison sprayer (chem-ammo heavy flamers). I'm replacing the claws with legs, so it'll have 4 legs it'll be walking on. The box I'm replacing with a venerable dread one. Put some autocannon array on one arm (storm cannn) and DCCW on the other with a nasty claw and a meltagun underneath. Land Speeder Storm Cerberus launcher on top of the boxnought body.

Bonus is that I can still use it as a Defiler in 40k with reaper autocannon and havoc launcher.

>>50744533
>I think he just picked really loyal warriors who he trusted

Nah, the main Custard was a child the Emperor took from a water thief.

>>50743110
Forge World have their box-set upgrade to Calth where the MkVI heads and torsoes are placed on the regular Mark IV legs. It looks pretty good, especially considering that the Raven Guard were the legion that tested the prototype Mark VI armour, which itself was designed for backwards-compatibility with the Mark IV.

Unfortunately they didn't go the whole hog and give them the Mk VI shoulderpads, however, I imagine it would be simple to convert a regular shoulder pad (even spare 40k tac pads) into "Mark VI", simply by shaving off the borders and filing it all smooth (sand paper). Add studs on one side and boom - mark VI.

There's also bitz from the tactical squad kit (possibly the other 40k sets) that you can use to make them more "Mark VI".
There's no spare legs in the tactical squads, which is unfortunate because three of them are great, plain (save seals) Mark VI legs. However, the real gems are the Mark VI/Mark V torso fronts; the ones with the wires converging on a circle in the centre of the chest. There's plenty of other, 40k-only chests in tactical squads, so if you or a generous/mercantile but reasonable friend has some spares, you can use them to differentiate the 30k torsoes from a legion where the Mark IV guys are *just* Mark IV guys.

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>>50744611
Pic and link.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Raven-Guard-Task-Force

>>50744632
>Tan Raven Guard motherfucker
>Supposed to be albino pale

>>50744383
Imperial Fists
>MkIV, Bolters+heavy bolters, Marksmen

Iron Warriors
>MkIII, Combi-Meltas+Meltaguns, Machine Killers

>>50744665
They also have a Native American/Mesoamerican vibe though, don't they?

I think it's a "can't unsee" thing, so I'll spoiler it, but Corvus' appearance and fluff put me in mind of Mati from Captain Planet. Captain Terra?.

>>50744705
>They also have a Native American/Mesoamerican vibe though, don't they?

No.

>>50744611
>which itself was designed for backwards-compatibility with the Mark IV

MkVI and VII compatibility is in terms that they can use older and less advanced systems to make up for their own systems failing, but it's not a permanent fix, just something that lets them operate when damaged while at top condition they'd use their own systems primarily. It's the whole dual circuitry thing that's been in their fluff for ages.

People usually just assume "backwards compatibility" means "I can mix and match suit bits freely." I'd be interested in seeing what the MkIV legs would look like if someone greenstuffed the kneepads as part of the greaves. Could make an interesting early prototype greave pattern.

>>50744734
>>50744705

Corvus is Space Conan to me, just more mopey.

>>50744665
Not all of them. There were three traits associated with the Raven Guard geneseed. Stark black hair, solid black eyes, albino white skin. Most of the Terrans only displayed one or two of these traits. But after Corax was found, new recruits began displaying all three consistently.

>>50744768
That's Ferus Manus. It's why everyone appreciated having Ferrus around, but he himself did not feel he lived up to the greatness of his brothers.

Everyone wants Conan on their side, but if your side also includes Captain America and Superman, Conan's not gonna feel as amazing as he did back on his home turf.

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>>50744738
>People usually just assume "backwards compatibility" means "I can mix and match suit bits freely."
That's what backwards compatibility means. Not jury-rigging.

>MkVI and VII compatibility is in terms that they can use older and less advanced systems to make up for their own systems failing, but it's not a permanent fix, just something that lets them operate when damaged while at top condition they'd use their own systems primarily.

Where's this from?
If you look at the Black Templar Sword Brother squad on the website, they have MkVI greaves with what looks like MkVIII or modified MkVII chestplates, and Mark IV parts (legs especially) abound in 40k space marine kits. There's one in the tactical squad boxset even, and there's not enough parts in that to make a full Mark IV suit.

>>50744768
Russ is obviously Space Conan, he just doesn't look like him. Angron also has elements.

>>50744814
That's like in Pokemon where old zones change to have higher level creatures once you've beat the game and got the legendary pokemon.

>>50744383
>EC, BA
MkIV Weapon masters, power swords

>DA
MkII Weapon masters, power swords

>DG & Sallies
MkIII Resolve, Heavy flamers

>WS
eh

>>50744869
It's most likely due to harvesting a fresh supply of geneseed straight from Corax. Probably of better quality than the stuff the Emperor had laying around after the Primarchs were scattered.

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What does /tg/ think about using the new Scarab occult terminators in 30k?

>>50744869
Addendum: sorry, I thought you were implying that suits couldn't swap parts for extended periods of time without malfunctioning.
Obviously, yes, the "newer" marks will do what they were designed to do better than the older ones (unless you buy the "ease of construction" narrative), and in 40k as opposed to 30k, it's impossible for a lot of chapters to deck out their recruits in fresh gear, and lots of "older" backwards-compatible gear will have both a high degree of superstition or tradition supporting their continued use, as well as the chapter's techpriests going over them over the years and "master-crafting" them.

In 30k, by contrast, the only reason to wear mixed suits of armour is if you're trying to imply that the armour is an "intermediate" design (to which the Raven Guard are well suited by fluff), or haphazard assemblages of gear that are only a few short steps above having armour that's been designed as a stop-gap from the ground up, ie: "Mark V".

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>>50744632
Never really like Mk 6 helmets with the whiskers at the front, prefer them with the grill further back like in the 40k upgrade set.

>>50744952
Mix bits with normal Tarts, if you just paint the Scarab Occult models in HH TS colours they'll just look like a 40K warband in HH TS colours.

>>50744839
Makes sense.

But THEY were not able to build giant death lasers!
Except Vulkan, who did exactly that for his homeplanet.

But Ferrus was the best Tech-man.

>>50744952
Pretty legit. I think they, and the rubics, have been purposefully designed with minimal tzeentch iconography (or at least, leaving it optional) so you can do exactly that.

>>50745006
Rubrics don't really fit imo, but the termies are really nice as some more fancy terminators/characters for 40k

Does anyone run vigilators in power armor? I really don't like scout armor but the rules for going shirtless is sexy

>>50744949
I don't think Primarchs work that way. They'd have to look like they have Elephantitis if they had enough organ growths in them to convert a company, let alone multiple chapters.

What might be more likely is that they can check the purity of the gene seed vis a vis Corvus' genes. Though knowing 40k some psychic element has to do with it.

>>50744952
The rules aren't out yet.
I haven't looked at them too closely, but I wonder if they'll be acceptable in 30k as-is, and there's no Tzeentch iconography on them.

>>50744969
I love all Beakies equally, but I have a particular interest in the "Ratatouille" design because they're rare, they look retro, and the snubbiness of the nose seems more "functional" to me, like it's more likely to deflect a hit than to let your enemy grab you by the nose.

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>>50744963
>>50744869
Says there "temporarily". Would make sense that the suits would work better with purpose made parts where as battlefield repairs with less sophisticated parts would work for the purpose of keeping the suits operational, even if not at peak condition.

>>50744383
Dark Angels
>MkII, Volkite Chargers+Plasma Guns, Xenobane

White Scars
>MkIII, Volkite Chargers+Power Weapons, Marksmen or Weapon Masters

>>50744383
>World Eaters
MKIII, Weapon Masters, free Chainaxes, a couple of power swords/axes.

Just because I'm building this squad at the moment.

>>50744579
Now if only our Leviathans could take battle-cannons...

>>50744952
>>50744993
Agreeing with this guy. There's a bit too much of a spiky/tzeentchy vibe with the base models. Replace inferno bolters with Tarty combis, and shave off the eyes/spikes, and for the love of the Emperor, don't use the bloody missile rack thing, looks wayyyy too 40k.

>>50745068
There is very little chaos iconography on them. It can be scraped off

>>50745068
geneseed =/= progenoids. Primarch physiology is most likely different where literally any cells of them could be used as the basis for making more geneseed. For instance, we know this is exactly what was done to keep the Emperor's Children from going extinct after Fulgrim was found.

>>50744383

>NL
MkIV, bolt pistols/chainswords, Infiltrate and Volkite Chargers

OK, anons, it's that annoying guy who wanted to start a Xana army for the new year again.

After some budgeting, I have £150 to spend on a starting force and I want to begin with Ordo Reductor.

So, I could get:

A Magos
Two Thallax Cohorts equipped with whatever.
20 Militia/Adsecularis
2 Artillery Tanks

Obviously, there will be rather a lot of conversion and filing off aquilas from the stuff, but would that be an acceptable small army for 30k?

>>50745092
It's late here and I'm not familiar with this information or its source, but are you sure that's specifically referring to replacing the "main" mark's pieces with properly functioning parts from the previous (or later) marks?

To me it suggests that the Mark 6 and 7 (and 8) modules have their complicated functions (sensors, power, etc) able to be jury-rigged using substandard materials to repair the individual parts. After all, Mark IV plates aren't "very simple" technology or even necessarily "common", especially in 40k, where chapters still keep modules of Mk4 around despite not being able or willing to produce as many of them as they can produce Mark 6 and 7.

What that says to me is that "temporary replacement and repairs" means that Mark VI and VII suits can be "Jury-rigged" in the field by less-than-skilled engineers or with ridiculously cheap equipment.
For a Mark VI, if you needed wires to replace the complex stuff in the suit, but all you had was stuff for a disposable sentry gun, you could stuff it into the suit for a few hours with little hassle, whereas if you had a Mark IV suit whose purpose-built wires wore out, and all you had in the warzone was sentry gun wires, you'd have to send your Mark IV plate to the techmarine, and he'd have to take the plate apart and put the wires exposed and vulnerable on top, doing enough to change the plate to make it "Mark V", or at least "no longer serviceable Mark IV".

>>50745163
Ah, you're right. The Primarch could just have a few cells taken and then have those grown in a lab to produce the organs required for transplant?

>>50745264
>20 Militia/Adsecularis
get neophytes for that.
they also do work for auxilia if weren't going reductor. kit-basing with a bit of the kataphron and skitarii can really yield good results

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>>50742121
>opportunistic schreeching

>>50745323
That's the general idea, or Guardsmen with Skitarii Vanguard heads. The guard are cheaper since I can buy them in the Armoured Claw box so I can get a chassis to mount an artillery gun on as well, I'll think on that.

Anyway, would it function reasonably as an army?

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>>50745312
>are you sure that's specifically referring to replacing the "main" mark's pieces with properly functioning parts from the previous (or later) marks?

Do you mean whether or not I think the MkVI was made to mix and match non-MkVI bits like a lazy modeler? No. It's more the cabling and circuitry pulled from a sentry gun thing.

>doing enough to change the plate to make it "Mark V"

Mixed and matched suit is not a MkV. Even a non-production MkV has a lot of similarities with the production MkV.

>>50744383
>RG
MKVI, Raven's Talons, combi-plasma, in a Darkwing.

If only Raven's Talons weren't so hideously and grotesquely over-priced.

>>50744952
Considering theres a 99% chance that Scarab Occults are going to be a 1kson unit, yes.

>>50745063
Mine has power armour, mainly fancy the Scout and Stealth anyway. The problem with going scout armour used to be that the vigilator wouldn't be able to join units without infiltrate, but thanks to the latest FAQ things with infiltrate can choose to deploy normally again.

>>50745063
PA, since with Infiltrate he can't join units that don't have Infiltrate, and I want him to lead my assault squad.

>>50742294
Man, I really prefer DG in MKIV. How did you do the bone? It's nice.

>>50745323
on a budget it isn't bad.
thralls are okay objective warmers. I prefer them in conveyors so they can sit on the right ones.
thallax are fine, but I'm often underwhelmed by their weapon choices. melta might be the right choice.
the arty is fine as well you are running basilisks right? so everything should be fine, i'd prefer medusas for that sweet sweet, 10/.1ap or +2 posioned ap 2

So yeah it's fine, you don't really have a lot of options which is why i don't like reductor

>>50745450
>Mixed and matched suit is not a MkV.
I know that, I've just been under the impression that armour that was constructed during the heresy along patterns that aren't made to meet the "standard" qualities of Mark IV, including Mark IV's legion and local subvariants.

Calling a "mixed and matched" suit "Mark V" would go against the assertion that parts that identifiably belong to one "Mark" above 4 can be mixed freely with parts from other compatible marks.

The example of the SoH wearing "Mark V standard issue" while not being Mark V is rather interesting too. At what point does "custom Mark IV" end and "Mark V" begin?

>>50745759
is for >>50745398 sorry

>>50745759
>>50745776

True, it will eventually be some from every wing, hopefully, but starting with this since I can get a decent army to run with and then add stuff like Cybernetica to it later.

Artillery will depend on the level of power I want. It will probably be medusae or basilisks a lot of the time, and IIRC a Magos Reductor can make the medusa AP1 Sunder Ordnance, which should be decent for killing pretty much anything. Does the S5 3+ poison give you 3+ rerollable to wound, or just 3+ but with crawling fire against T4?

I thin I'll buy them with the Photon Thrusters and count them as either that or a meltagun, seeing as they're all equipped the same.

Next thing will probably be either a Lightning Fighter or converting Scoria, but obviously I need to get and make ready this lot first.

>>50745765
Probably at the point where it's less of a factory built mass production suit and more of a custom made one-off.

>>50745917
That's what I've always thought, but it's a bit unclear.

Either way, it is possible and fully advisable to take to a MkIV/VI/VII suit's pieces with beads and green stuff, and come out with a "Mark V" suit, though personally I would hesitate to outfit "frontline" units with homebrewed Mark V though, unless very careful to establish visual uniformity. It makes sense when dealing with large numbers of "disposable" troops to use "standardised" Mark V, even if it's "limited run", rather than the apparent "galactic standard" that somehow developed the same across every legion on both sides. Of course, design fundamentals explain most of that, but leave lots of room open for aesthetic differences.
Go wild, I say! Why be so eager to close the possibility for detailed and imaginative custom modelling conversions?

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>>50746026
Technically, at least according to the old fluff, you could make a MkV with no studs (so basically MkVII with X-cabled on the chest and no trim on the shoulder pads) and put a MkIV helmet on it and it'd be totally fluffy.

>>50746165
It would be, and it would be interesting to see.

I just personally like the studs because it precludes the "what armour mark is that" conversation, and looks rather "metal".

>>50743055
AIDS, AIDS for everyone.

Anyone know of alternative lightnign claws that look curved? Like a Ravens Talon from the Dark Fury set?

>>50746662
>Ravens Talon
Warp talons are and some of the Chaos terminator claws are your best bet.

>>50746662
Prospero MkIII ones have clawlike fingers, but only for the left arm.

So, anybody converted up a fabulous ai-aiii-aiiiii-ai custodes yet?

>>50746709
>>50746736
Not the normal finger claws, I mean the curved fish hook looking ones.

>>50746662

SHUTUP NUSQUAM GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR REDGUARD LIGHTNING CLAWS

EVERY DAY WITH YOU ITS BOLT ROUNDS IN THE KNEE AND CURVED LIGHTNING CLAWS

>>50747212
Never.

A bolt to the head makes a man stop thinking forever, one to the knee gives him a lifetime to think.

>>50747212
Hear about those RavenGuard stationed on Tallarn?
Heard the got curved claws. Curved. Claws.

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>>50746897
Even the most claw-like claws I can think of, the OOP raptor champion ones, are not that curved.

Just get the Raptor/BoP claws, soak the fingers in warm water and bend them, then dip them in cold water. You should be able to get some curvature to them.

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>>50747353

Maybe I'll use actual fish hooks...

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>>50747409
>The Night Lord went down to Georgia, he was lookin' for some skin to steal.
>he was in a bind 'cuz he was way behind and he was willin' to make a deal....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9uk9IcoQ0w

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>>50747508
>mfw

>>50746883
Working on it, but writing school reports & marking exams has really got in the way of anything hobby-related.
I've got the bitz together for a WD Slaughterpriest-based Custard with sword 'n' board and one of the fancy 40k hero bases.
Gonna have to wait until the new year until I AWAKEN MY MASTERS.

>>50746883
I got the slaughterpriest and have planned out some ideas for conversions, but before we get proper rules, especially for characters, and before I get the BoP box, the project is on hold.

How to equip 6 bikes? I play Reaping DG. Since melta bombs are out of the question, would 2 power axes, power fist sergeant and rad grenades do?

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If I fielded the old Armorcast Shadowsword against you, would you laugh at me?

>>50749023
No. I think it's cute.

>>50749023
Kek, that's one thicc tank. Would have no objections though.

>looking for the old FW thousand sons boxdread on ebay
>have to scroll past multiple boxes of the new 40k thousand sons releases, still wrapped, going for up to twice GW's price

What the hell is wrong with ppl on ebay ? jeesh

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Anyone know where I can torrent the audiobooks? I haven't kept up with the series since Angels of Caliban

>>50743121
Not as bad as sir "Hey drink this cup of poison and feces" Mortarion.

>>50749257
>>looking for the old FW thousand sons boxdread on ebay

Looking for a Rubric Dread or a boxnaught for 30k? I haven't seen many for sale in a while.

anybody playing a game this weekend and have pictures of it? I need motivation to keep painting my world eaters

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>>50750159
Was looking for the rubric dread to see how/if it would fit in 30k. Couldn't find it on FW's site, and tried to find it on ebay rather than google image search for some reason ... That dread always looks worse than I remember it somehow. Looks like some conversion-fu and a standard box dread is the better option

>>50750368
Ya, they retired all the Chaos Boxnaught molds a couple years ago (I think before or around when IA13 came out)

I haven't looked but there may be some "Egyptian Space Warrior" plating somewhere online that may work.

I almost got one a few years ago but sat on it for too long and the ebay listing ended. Don't regret it since I can't give them a 4++ and AP3everything for a proper overpriced Rubric Dread.

When is the primus coming out?

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EXODUS - need some inspo for one. Thinking of using a mkiv recon body and a Necron deathmark rifle with some converting. Figured it fits since the Pale Spear is supposed to be ambiguously of Necron origin.

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>>50750960
Here you go.

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>>50750960
Mine's in Mk. V and his instrument is a Godwyn pattern bolter with an old Splinter Cannon barrel on it. Sans bayonet, of course.

>>50751226

That....

That is not a MK. V helmet.....

>>50751226
>>50751271
Man, these guys are really dedicated to infiltration

>>50751271
That's a Dark Eldar, anon.

I did give him a Mk IV helm though.

>>50751271
The picture is just showing off the splinter cannon bayonet, not the exodus proxy

Guys, what are the best mechanicum robot killers?

I heard that vets with sniper and mass dakka can drown it out with dice rolls, but I'm looking for other options as well.

>>50751374
Primarchs with instant death

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>>50751374
for thallax and ursarax demolisher cannons or anything else str 10 for instant death, nothing like seeing a full squad wiped out in one template. For the big stuff drown them in high str low AP shots and fish for failed saves.

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Mock-up of some planned Contemptor alterations.

It's not a 30k dread if it doesn't have a proper hand, and assault cannons have thicc barrels, FW.

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I really want these, what do I use them as in 40k? Counts-as regular (non-jet) bikes?

>>50751565
>what do I use them as in 40k?

You dont.

>>50751542
>assault cannons have thicc barrels, FW
It's a kheres assault cannon and you butchered it you monster.

>>50751565
playing 40k..........ever

>>50751565
Might be too small for Land Speeder. Attack bike? Mount them a little lower and give them a HB or MM on the front.

>>50751579
Not with that attitude.

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>>50751619
>playing 40k

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>>50751542
converting anything on a B@C contemptor and not starting at cutting the leg and waist joint to give it a good stance, you fucked up anon

>>50751374
sniper vets, plasma support squads, artillery, spamming volkite shots can work against castellax to an extent
alternatively, THE D

>>50751542
>not wanting to see between the barrels.

sasuga

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>>50751615
>it's not an assault cannon
>it's an assault cannon

Next you'll tell me a reaper autocannon is not an autocannon and a combi-bolter is not a bolter.

>>50751659
Never said it was not an assault cannon, I clarified what pattern it was and implied that it was fine the way it was. That it's aesthetic was better.

Show me your custodes /hhg/, especially if theyre an alternate scheme.

Fuck that guy, show me your praetors

The more converted the better

>>50745092
Huh. This says the right side of the warrior needs to be better protected while firing, but tactical marines are near-universally modeled as firing towards their left sides (i.e. firearm's grip in their right hand).

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>>50751843
Good thing I finally made some pics of what I painted.

>>50751924
thin ur paints

>>50751918
And before that it says the left plate retains the same construction as the MkV for "the same reasons (as the MkV?)" which would mean it's studded with extra layer of armour for the purpose of protecting from incoming fire.

The text isn't always accurate. I think at one point they're referring to a whole different armour mark than what they mean.

>>50751924
>>50751968
fuck if that's not thin enough then I need to reevaluate how I paint my own dudes

>>50752167
Guess anything in which you can still see pigment is too thick to paint with.

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>>50751924
this is thicccccc
>>50752167
pic related is thinned and layered, and probably a little excessive as an example, but it works

So if Bjorn is in a boxnaught, does that mean the techwolfawoopriests didn't think much of him and refused him contempor. Or will GW retcon it and but Bjorn in a temptor?

>>50752440
My bet is that his Contemptor chassi broke down sometime between the Horus Heresy and the Battle of the Fang.

>>50752440
SW don't like the Contemptor and the Castaferrum is more reliable.

>>50752440
Originally SW's distrust of anything that is advanced technology meant that they never had many contemptors and only put guys in there who they considered cursed, among other things.
But with how much we've seen Leviathan in SW colours from FW I have no doubt that has been retconned to hell and back with SW embracing anything and everything advanced in Inferno

>>50752293
So it's not Golden Daemon standard is what you're saying.

>>50752481
thats not what i'm saying at all
alpha legion dude has visible texture to it, which is a telltale sign of unthinned paint, not to mention the picture i posted is just basic bitch blending using a wet palette, its nowhere even approaching GD

>>50752501
The AL guy looks alright. The texture looks like spray primer issues. Fuck knows I've had that happen.

>>50752481
I'm really interested to see what Bligh does with SW, He has good taste.

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>>50752481
>SW's distrust of anything that is advanced technology

Where was that? I've only seen pic related, which just says they had bad experiences with them and it became a self-fulfilling prophesy. It's not that they didn't use them, they just had a certain reputation and their Iron Priests favored the more rugged Castaferrums.

>>50752601
The distrust of technology might not even be in the current codex anymore, but it was in the 3rd edition SW codex. It was an explanation for why SW terminators could not deep strike, but now they can so I guess it's out the window already.
There also used to be something about them only fighting with both boots on the ground just like Russ intended and because of that never using jump packs, but now they have Skyclaws.

>>50752501
That texture is what I got for using GW's white undercoat spraycan. Never buy Corax white people, it's shit.

>>50752644
>Never buy Corax white people, it's shit.
Never buy ANY white from GW. The Ulth greay is fin, but corax, ceramite, and white scar are shit. SHIIIIIIIIIIT.

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>>50752644
>That texture is what I got for using GW's white undercoat spraycan.

I know that feel

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>>50751843
The easiest conversion, a new head!

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>>50752698
Say, what's up with DA wearing cloaks? Was that a Calibanite Order thing or something?

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>>50752644
Why do people insist on being wrong when I'm not at my own computer and can't just go straight to my library of PDFs?

Here, 3e codex says they won't teleport because they distrust the more arcane technologies. But will teleport if the entire army drop pods. And blood claws could take jump packs, they just weren't a separate unit entry, just an upgrade for the bikers.

>>50752698
>brother we look loyal as fuck
>shutup kevin I'm looking cool
>I'm so loyal I could kill a space wolf right now

Nice minis anon.

>>50752738
Calibanite. Could be Terran too. We will know when FW releases their book.

>>50752750
Then my SW playing friend has misinformed me. Excuse me whilst I go and correct his heretical ways.

>grabs vacuum cleaner

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>>50752762
What about the whole Angels of Caliban and Descent of Angel series?
Did they seriously not touch the whole cloak thing? I've never cared about who Cypher is, or whether or not they are loyal. All I care for about the DA are their cloaks.
I like cloth over power armours.

>>50752796
thats an amazing cypher

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So I really love the defiler model, how would I shoehorn it into 30k?

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>>50752839
I wish Skitarii were in 30k.
Because they have existed since before the Emperor conquered Terra.
And 40k Codex: Cult Mechanicus and Codex: Skitarii should be a single faction without requiring some BUY MINIZ formation.

I mean, it's even stated that:

>A)
The reason Thallax exist is because the Reductor no longer has access to regular Skitarii due to their outcast nature

>B)
Arkhan "of course it had a stinger" Land already invented the M.U.L.E. (Mars Universal Land's Engine) prior to the Schism, a vehicle said to have been weaponized into the Onager not long after its conception, probably half-assed and at Land's disgust like how it happened to the Land's Raider, which was meant to be more like a Volkite grav spartan, probably with a complimentary scorpiomonkey each.
And instead the Legiones got the LR "I guess my Praetor would be better off in a Spartan" Phobos.

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>>50752839
My only suggestion is proxied as some sort of Mechanium tank/walker. The Sons of Horus were the first ones to deploy Defilers, and that was near the end of the Heresy, so going canon is probably not an option.

>>50742812
I was going to play blood angels, but literarily everyone in my store plays loyalists, so I decided to play as the world eaters instead.

Is there any way to make moritats actually work? or are they just overcosted and inneficient garbage?

>>50752839
>>50752942

Word Bearers had the precursors to Defilers in Soulforge, shortly after the heresy started. Just use them as count as thanatars or something

>>50752644
>not using 99 cent spraycans from walmart

smooth coats erry time, even white

>>50753025
Probably by keeping him as cheap as possible, and seeing it as a cheaper way than destroyers to get that rad grenades debuff on something.

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>>50753079
Heres two marines with the walmart paint on them. Left is white over black, right is straight black. The white is a tiny bit runny but it comes it and dries completely smooth

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>>50742121
>When someone remixes your OC and get more (You)s then you.

>>50753160
Every remixer expects the worked-on piece to be better or to improve over the original. Some are, some aren't.
If it's any consolation, be proud that you inspired something nice.
I mean, I could be like the regular 4channer and say you're butthurt, so take consolation on that too :^)

>>50752796
I don't mind cloth, but I hate it as a robe as seen >>50752698

First of all, what kind of fabric is that? I've never seen tattered so I assume it's actually stronger than what the power armor musters, if so, why would you make a robe out of it?
You now have a garment where a marine's movement is compromised.

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>>50753220

Yes, your right. Thanks for that.

>>50742121
>>50742430
>>50742683

>>50751924
Cool looking praetor!

>>50753236
As long as you can wear it loose enough and it doesn't make you trip then it's alright. About the fabric, I've seen a few examples of cloaks tucked in, some others showing deterioration on the ends like ragged edges and holes, but never real non - a e s t h e t i c damage like it being ragged vertically along the chest. So yeah, you can try blaming modellers for not taking the extra effort to model stuff that will look bad anyway unless you put considerable effort on it.

Also, a particular example of a space marine cape I read about, a Warsmith's, was woven (weaved?) out of adamantium threads. I'm not saying DA robes are stronger than Catachan abs, but they're resilient alright.

Or maybe they change them after each battle and have a dedicated textil world, I don't know.

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>>50753127
I'm legitimately asking, is this like, Walmart generic-branded spraypaint? I've been looking for decent spraypaint for a while now, as every time I try a new one it tests smooth until the moment I hit a miniature, then it's particles, spotting, and caking for days. I'm tired of using brushable primers, but I've been burned by too many spray primers.

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>>50753384
This stuff is worth every fucking penny. It went on so smooth and coated so well I I couldn't tell it was even primer. Shake well, test spray(to clear nozzle), and practice.

>>50753384
>>50753444
Isn't Krylon Flat Sandable Black primer considered one of the best and it's like $5 a can?

Are 10 man support squads much use? I'm painting up 15 dudes so I can have 5 Melta/Flamer/Plasma dudes and they can rotate into Vet squads too

Just wondering whether I'll be doing this whole fucking process again in a few weeks "just in case"

>>50753487
Never tried it. I swear by this stuff though. And its like 3.49 or something. Cheap

>>50753487

Krylon and Rustoleum are both good as long as you buy the right kind of can (flat, primer, acrylic, sandable, etc).

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>>50753384
looks like this. 99c a can

>>50752953
Good decision, rip and tear!

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Sister comes from abroad whenever they can get time to, so we do a mini christmas on that day before she has to go back

She got this for my dad, looks pretty baller, but makes me sad it'll probably be another five years or some shit before we get my fave primarch

Aw well, happy early christmas /hhg/! What primarch are you getting for christmas?

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hey guys what do you think about my magnus so far

>>50754043
Looking like a demon version of Dr Manhattan so far, sans dick out
Isn't he Magnus the Red though?

>>50754043
> holy shit! no wonder they had to put you in a dreadnought!

How ridiculous is it to play a legion in 30k without using a rite of war?

>>50754332
Entirely depends on the list, altho a few do require high points limits, they really do play to the legions strengths, so unless your playing 2nd 11th or blacksheilds it might be worth reconsidering

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Most recent thing I've got.

>>50752657
ehhh i think the corax white is fine desu. Just shake it for about 2 mins and do it indoors instead of outdoors and it goes on like a charm.

t.world eaters player

>>50754390
Noice
Marines without backpacks look so strange

>>50754332
>>50754356
Dont forget centurions like Morturg that have no RoW capability but amazing warlord traits.

They are an option.

>>50754444
Does a MotL have to be warlord?
You could always have a generic paragon blade for a RoW of your choice and mortung warlord for infiltrating praetor deathshroud deathstar shenanigans

>>50754332
why not just take a delegatus? literally the same cost as centurion once you factor in the free master-crafted weapon

>>50754356
>>50754444
It just kind of feels like I'd be trying to shoehorn the units I want to take into a RoW for the sake of it. Like, none of the rites really excite me for the legion I'm thinking of starting (raven guard, but don't want to do massed drop pods or allies). Closest is recon company, but the extra points cost of recon squads compared to tacticals is tough to take when at the end of the day it's still 10 chumps with bolters.

>>50754043
hahaha, what the hell is going on in this picture?

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>>50744952
They mix extremely well. And really, they should be mixed, otherwise the over abundance of details makes them look extremely out of place.

Also it's really obvious that these models (and the aspiring sorcerer) took a lot of inspiration from the 30k concept art that we saw last year. Going to put those up in a moment.

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>>50755043
>>50744952

Holy shit lol. Let me try again.

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>>50755053
>>50744952

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>>50755087
>>50744952

>>50755053
>>50755099
Not a fan of the head crest on the 30k marines. But appropriate for 40k.

>>50754464
I believe so.

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>>50755105
The 40k crests are, if I remember, something that was used as an ornament for the caskets of dead Prosperan nobles.

That's why it shows up on the TS contemptor, and of course on all the rubrics.

Living dudes will most likely get the horn-like ornaments that Ahriman and this guy have >>50755099

Which makes for a nice 30k -> 40k transition.

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Might as well post the rest.

I really hope we see some funky stuff like the cyclop helmet.

>>50755105
>>50755135
Yeah, maybe it's my inner bitterness, but I think a more streamlined, less head crest and other decorations look is more 30k. The Crusades were a military operation first and foremost and the marines should reflect that. I don't see my special ops wearing big headdresses of feathers like Native Americans just because it's part of our history or something.

As it transitioned into 40k I could see it though, since for the Imperium it's more defensive, more lost tech that just gets filigreed up over time as people don't know what else to do with it.

>>50746662
You could try the ones from Kor Phaeron, but the cost means it's not viable for anything more than a one off.

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>>50755163
I dunno, some 30k dudes were pretty darn blingy.

>>50755534
Pompous g-men have no style, they overcompensate as allways.

>>50755534
>all that gold

must be black

>>50755610
>>50755664
Cut him some slack. No wait, he'll do that for you with his Legatine Axe.

>>50755163
>>50755534
I don't have a problem with the bling. It's more just the silhouette that's made with the crest that I don't like. In terms of bling, I'd put the Thousand Sons at about the same tier as pre-Heresy Word Bearers.

>>50755673
Im terrified of a quarter inch, resin blade

>>50755534
Forgeworld and black library's versions of the horus heresy are a natural distillation of the ridiculous fan conceptions that have been brewing for the past 15~ years.

So you'll obviously have everyone packed to the brim with custom, elaborate, uniquely themed artificer gear, where originally they were just using mass-produced munitions-grade shit. The baroque over the top stuff came later, with the degradation of ten thousand years.

>>50755828
Are you seriously trying to say that forgeworld's depictions of what marines wore in the heresy is less accurate than your own headcanon?

>>50755874
I'm simply saying the horus heresy stuff being produced currently is a caricature. Still as accurate or canonical as anything ever produced under games workshops stamp, but a caricature nonetheless. No more, no less.

> is less accurate than your own headcanon?
Forgeworld's version of this fictional event is no more accurate or canonical than Black Library's version of this fictional event. Nor are either of them more accurate or valid than Games Workshop's several (several) retellings of the same fictional event. It's just a bunch of stories, and some people will find certain versions more to their liking.

30k becoming 40k-lite ain't my cup o' tea, but I'm not going to call the new stuff headcanon because of that.

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>>50755673
Dumb as it is, it'll wound you on a six to hit regardless of your toughness, watch out!
>>50755664
>>all that gold
>must be black
Kek. #SmurfLivesMatter :^)
>>50755534
Calth was a bling battle

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>>50755828
>Forgeworld and black library's versions of the horus heresy are a natural distillation of the ridiculous fan conceptions that have been brewing for the past 15~ years.
>So you'll obviously have everyone packed to the brim with custom, elaborate, uniquely themed artificer gear, where originally they were just using mass-produced munitions-grade shit
I think I don't understand :^)
Also, most of those blingy examples are from book 5, dedicated to only two legions, and beyond.
Even officers in HH1 weren't that blingy.
But I love byzantine art on armours :)

>>50754043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc

>>50753980
There is no primarch to get, because FW is never going to get to doing Alpharius

>>50754332
Common

>>50755828
>Forgeworld and black library's versions of the horus heresy are a natural distillation of the ridiculous fan conceptions that have been brewing for the past 15~ years.

This. There are so many things that has come from 40k into 30k it's rather silly. And the sad part is that most people don't care and will outright defend it, because of course things should be that way, they've always been that way (in 40k).

It's like trying to make Star Trek or Star Wars without fanwank from the people making it. Then we end up with Klingons that are that one general from the 5th movie and Jedi who are Obi-Wan.

>>50742626
> lots of memes
> REAL HIGH ENERGY GUIS
No anon, you are the cancer

>>50755828
Well ofcourse they were going to load every single legion up on bling, upgrade kits and all that, even though a good portion of the legions were know for despising any customization or bling. Gotta get profits from fools that buy all the upgrade kits for their Deathguard, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion yo, even though all those were known for using standard issue armour :^)

>>50756435
>known for using standard issue armour

Then why does old art show various legions with their own styles of helmets and other stuff? Plenty of which have been replicated by FW.

>>50756389
That's your opinion, I shall keep mine (that is borderline autistic discussions about lore and trying to pass opinions as measurable facts, and people white-knighting for us defenseless /HHG/ denizens) of what is the real cancer here while I do the thing that truly matters:
HH-Memes and some tactica discussion from time to time.
In time you'll apreciate all the memes, no matter their alignment and see them for what they are:
Mere info units.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE

Also, unclench thy butt. What have you, anal cancer? :^) You didn't confort >>50753160, an anon in need, and you better chose to spend your efforts into battering someone who reposted a meme from a while ago. Such a Fellow Warrior you are....

>>50756329
I just keep to the stuff I like, for example...Saul Tarvitz and the Visions of Heresy description of the events.

>>50756600
>I just keep to the stuff I like
This is a smart fun-loving anon.

>>50756435
>>50756523
He has a point, which does not disarm the money raking of course.

But you have the OPTION, so just dont use it and stop complaining.

>>50756604
Thanks, otherwise I would eat my brushes.

What do you plan to do, mini wise?

Vegetables or Security Detachment?

>legumes/legions or SA.

>>50756600
Oh, so do I. Any armour autist gonna puke when they see the abominations that are going to be my DG, but I'm basing them on a few pieces of old art and design. I'm just picking and choosing what I like from the fluff and art over the decades and can probably find a line or a picture to justify everything.

Does anyone know where I can find information on Heresy/Crusade era starships?

>>50756435
Standard issue isn't so standard when it has to come from eight different forge worlds. And the Alpha Legion have always been one of the more showoff-y legions. Even in the old lore, their big thing was making sure who they were fighting knew they were fighting the Alpha Legion. Now we know that's how half of the legion operates.

>>50756650
Yup, I need to look for ye olde Hands of Iron in there.

Personally a bit dissapointed they did not manage to divide IH and IW more from each other.
Bkth like tanks and robots andnhave rules for that as well as some similarities character wise.

Admitted, same is true with pre heresy EC and BA, but still..

>>50756702
Battlefleet Gothic rulebook and Armada supplement has Imperial and Chaos ships, some of which were used during 30k.

>>50756702
>>50756727

Whichever of the Black Books talks about the Battle of Phall also has a section discussing vessels in 30k.

>>50756702
Some anon posted some oldish looking art of grey and purple looking crusade era EC ships.

Visions of Heresy might be the best start.

Also, just scratch bild witj GW bits and possibly the soon coming mew BFG. You are free as fuck here with all the pre imperial dark age of tech or strife stuff floating around.

>>50754043
No huge limp daemon dick
1/10

>>50756727
>>50756735
>>50756741
Thanks.

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>>50756744
>limp

So anyone have some Painted Count spoilers?

>>50756722
I don't mind there being some similarities between the legions. I've always liked that there has never been one defining factor in which legions went bad, but that it was more of a crapshoot. The aspects encapsulated in traitors can also be found in loyalists, so if things had been different, who knows what legions would have fallen and which remained loyal.

>>50756860
I specially like how there are fundamental parts of the Imperium which were created/influenced by traitor primarchs. Chaplains and the Imperium's religion from Lorgar, Librarians from Magnus, cyclone missile launchers from Perturabo ...

>>50756860
>>50756896
Oh yes! And the whole decapitation strike thing being Horus as fuck.