/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

>>50609256
first for Angron

Narcisso and Fabio.

What rite are you using?

>>50609341
>The legionary nearest to him was still alive. A World Eater, bisected at the waist, was dragging himself closer to where Ra kneeled. His armour was more red than white, signifying some unknown change within his treasonous Legion. ‘Blood,’ the warrior murmured through a shattered mouth. ‘I was there,’ Ra tried to growl at him, but the exhausted words were a snarling whisper. ‘I was there the day we saved your mongrel primarch from certain death.’ ‘Blood,’ the World Eater mumbled again. His helm had been crushed, savaging the skull and face within. His eyes were glazed, maddened, the pupils mere pinpricks. ‘If only we’d left him there.’ The Custodian laughed, feeling his reknitting bones and abused muscles stinging afresh with the squirted application of adrenal elixirs from inside his armour. ‘Blood…’ ‘If only we’d left him to die in those mountains.’ Ra was smiling now. ‘The one primarch who couldn’t conquer his world. The one primarch who lived as a slave. The one primarch who had to be saved from death.’ ‘Blood!’ The World Eater’s eyes resolved with the ghost of clarity. ‘Blood for the–’ A spear rammed through the World Eater’s spine, driven down between his shoulder blades. The power pack on his back shorted out and died. The warrior himself went into convulsions. Eyes that had so briefly cleared now rolled back into his broken head.

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post your dudes HHG

>>50609351
I've only just started getting into HH (and back into 30/40k for that matter), so I'm fairly rusty and inexperienced. From what I understand, if I do use a RoW it'll be Maru Skara. I might be shooting myself in the foot here, but I'm trying to keep it fluffy as a Loyalist force, so the Third Elite and Kakophoni are right out.

How should I kit a contemptor to support Night Lords? I'm thinking maybe a pair of CCW with plasma blasters?

>>50609473

That Caestus could use more yellow. Probably not what you want to hear, but it would be best on the parts where you've put the fists.

Also, KA, now that you're doing WE, have you looked at Poom's method on B&C? I think it's just basecoats and an oil wash/filter, plus a bit of blood and basing. Extremely simple, amazing results.

>>50609818
woops, too late for the yellow now because those double fists aren't going nowhere. I guess maybe I could paint around them if I tape over them...

I'm following my own simplified version of the FW recipe and doing thin highlights of white instead of sponging the whole thing. I'm only a few steps in but so far I'm liking it a lot better than my last attempt. I'll check out Poom though.

Tell me about Malcadors hhg, are they any good as heavy support choices?

>>50609473
>the fists are the wrong way round
Alpha legion confirmed?

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just put up for preorder, somebody please convince me why I shouldn't buy this sexy motherfucker for 65 pounds.

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>>50609380
Blood!

Thats a cool passage

>>50609473
been a while since I've seen this army transfers are looking good.

I'm looking at my Dark Mechanicum army and thinking it needs more bodies. Planning on tacking this onto the Cybernetica bundle from FW.

3x20 Adsecularis with Carapace, RoPT and Revenant Alchemistry (125 each)
2 Lacarymerta Auxilia (65 each)

That's 505 pts, and gives me some decent tarpits that are functionally immune to bolter fire (equivalent to a 2+ save when within 6" of both Auxilia)
How should I kit out the Servitors? Was considering some Melta to pop nearby vehicles the Thralls can't hurt.
Plan was to convert the Thralls from Chaos Cultists and Skitarii parts, or possibly Guardsmen.

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>>50610286
PAX IMPERIALIS
Time fore some motherfucking sword and board

>>50609857

I'd avoid painting round them if I were you,here's probably another way of applying more colour if you wanted to. Perhaps have a look at what other people have done with the two-tone legions.

The advantage of an oil wash is that it takes hours to dry, so you can manipulate it into recesses, polish bits clean again with a little solvent and a brush or cloth, buff out streaks and blotches a bit. It allows you to get more control, and you can do away with any need to layer your base colour back on top of it, apart from perhaps a couple of highlights. Scale modellers use them a lot, and in a funny way the longer drying times makes them more idiot-proof than fast-drying acrylic washes.

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>>50610395
god damn thats roman as fuck

>>50610395
The one at the back seems a bit flabbergasted by his gladius.

>>50610589
kek

>>50610589
"....I CAN EVEN SEE MY REFLECTION. GUYS, GUUUUYS, CHECK IT OUT"

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>naming the Noise marine the "Kakophoni"
>mfw Aos Tier level naming

Justify this. /hhg/.

>>50610744
Ah you'll love betrayer the betrayer who betrayed his legion and started killing anyone in sight

>>50610364
The lacarymerta are probably a bit excessive. I run 2 thrall groups with the same set up and most of the time their ignored, especially when opponents realise they won't run away and they get both saves against bolters.

>>50610744
Horus, the Arch-Traitor is from a world called Cthon
Angron is the mega space dad of the army of frenzied berzerkers
Mortarion is the primarch of the Death Guard
Thallax is literally Greek for "armour"
Ultramarines
Vulturax
The primarch of the legion of blacksmiths is called Vulkan

Warhammer is dumb, silly, and lacking subtlety to the point of being ludicrous, which it is.

>>50610744
they are loud and rowdy boys

>>50610744
>doesn't have the word thunder,light,blood or skull in it
it's not that bad pseudo latin has always been a part of the setting , what's wrong with pseudo greek ?

With how often the red books are updated is there even a point in not just pirating them and printing out the pages you need?

Is there a way to model just Chainswords and Bolters with Calth box? I'm trying to make a Terror Squad.

>>50610962
>printing them out
That's just a waste of space, make your army list using the scan then print off a cheat sheet of your army.
>>50610995
Chain bayonets or the knives it comes with, do remember a chainsword has the same profile as a regular CCW

>>50610995
Yyou can do knives and bolters which is the same in terms of rules.

>>50611002
That's what I meant, I just transcribe the stats for the units, special rules, and weapons I need then print it out. It's a shame because I really would like a physical copy of the army list, but with how often they seem to release the books I don't see any reason to get one until the series is pretty much complete.

>>50611002
>>50611004

Wait, sorry. The Prospero box is what I'm working with for the terror squads. The Calth box will be Raptors because of the harness.

Also, knives and bolters are the same? Do they still get the extra attack?

>>50611021
they come with bolter and bolt pistol standard, so yeah they'll get the extra attack

>>50611021
Close combat weapons can be anything thats not covered by power weapons, knives, machetes, chainswords are all the same so if you have spare knives from Calth you can shave off the buckle bit and put it in a hand, might make them look more slasher-y.

>>50611066

Terror Squads only come with BP+CCW and can take a bolter for 2 points

>>50611108

BoP has plenty of chain swords, but the problem is that they don't have hands, and the pistols are holstered

Can someone quickly post the rules for 'ARACHNUS HEAVY LASCANNON BATTERY' pls

>>50610995
I've mixed in some of the double-sided chainswords and close combat arms from 40k csm tacticals and the thunder-edge chainswords from the prospero box with my calth marines. Then again I'm building mostly mk5 marines so you may not like having csm arms on your mk4 calth dudes if you're an armour purist

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>>50610589

>>50610783
>Angron

That's Angronius Thal'kyr to you

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>>50611175

Well, my plan is to be able to use them as either 30k Legion or 40k CSM, so mixing armor isn't a problem. Fitting into 40k isn't a problem, it's fitting into 30k.

The only thing I'm set on is using the Calth torso's (MkIV?) for my Night Raptors because they have the harness, which looks good with the packs. For packs, I'll probably use pic related if I can't find Raptor Packs.

>>50611199
>those connection points
Yeah those are snapping off after 4 games

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FW pls

>>50611213

What do you mean? The only one that shows the connection point is the top left one, which looks normal.

This is from WIP >>50607397

>>50611197
Where the hell did that come from?

Did I miss it in MoM?

>>50611254
I meant where the thrusters connect to the ain backpack

>>50611276

Oh. Hrm. Well, idk then.

I'd rather not buy raptors because I have 60 bodies already, you know?

You know what I didn't think of? I can just buy raptor arms...

>>50611314
You can always get the old metal raptor ones and a recasting kit
tutorial in the discord

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>>50610395

PATRICIAN

>>50611350
The old Chaos Raptors were so good, their rarity and the remake of the models into something far more generic is a great shame.

>>50611368
Don't worry NL will probably get a unique unit to supplement the codex expansion, and it'll be the old kit but just more skulls and skins

>>50611314

Hmm. For my money you've made the mistake of getting too many bolter marines for an army that needs jump troops. The standard half-squat space marine pose looks crap with a jump pack, like really awful. You need better legs.

>>50610286
>that red

Oh...Oh my.

>>50611412

Well... Derp. The Marines are honestly just both HH boxes. If I need better legs, then I might as well get raptors.

Is there any real problem using the raptor kit for 30k? I can swap out shit easily. MKIV torsos and heads, raptor arms and legs? Hell, I have a few hooded Dangle heads from the old upgrade kit lying around I could use.

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>>50610395

>>50610395
>>50611236
>take 40k boarding shield
>slap ultra shit on it
>new kit!

Could have at least covered the bolter hole on it, if the squad is close combat oriented. Or give them spears to poke through that hole with.

>>50611236
Why are their swords all pointing out and not into the shield whole so they could be modelled like an actual tetsudo

>>50611581
Because they're posing for photos.

The hand is a separate piece, so you can easily enough rotate it towards the shield.

>>50611602
And they call EC vain

>>50611664
There's nothing wrong with taking pictures with fellow legionaries.

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>nobody cares that NL got something too
[sulks in nostraman]

Anyway, surprisingly decent paintjob, coming from forgeworld. Still not sure I like their design of the chainglaive, kind of wish it curved the other way like a falx, but not sure my drilling/pinning skillz would be up to changing it round.

>>50611710
It looks like a hockey stick

>>50611710

Is it just the glaives as an upgrade package?

>>50611739
Night Lords are what happens when Canadians finally snap.

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>>50611784
Glaives and some arms.

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>>50611785
That explains Curzefag too much.
Wait a minute.
>trees have leaves
>DAs hate trees and therefore leaves

>>50611796

Oh nice. $15 doesn't seem too bad I guess, especially since you get one per squad?

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>>50611161

>>50611710
I mean, don't get me wrong, the concept is cool, but the execution is shit.
Right now it looks like a chainsword on a pole, and that's it.
At least Sevatar had something a bit more bling, was using it with one hand on his model.

>>50609473
Nice Iron Warriors.

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>>50609473
KA, I have a question. What made you pick your color scheme instead of normal Fists?

>>50612277
His inability to paint yellow

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>>50612283
I keep hearing people are scared of yellow paint.

>>50611710
no offence, but those glaives are pretty bent :^)

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>>50609473
BROTHER!

I'm basically reposting since I got a better hang of how to take a proper picture with my phone.

>>50611236
>Ulramarines Breicher Seige r bestus
It's so bad it has to be intentional.

>>50612361
How does the claws dude pick things up? Wouldn't his claws get in the way?

>>50612384

That's always been the issue with the big power fist style lightning claws.

Imagine if you had an itch while you were wearing a pair of those.

The ones from dawn of war make so much more sense

>>50612403
>The ones from dawn of war make so much more sense
Which were? To me the best claws were the Talon Master's claws.

>>50611981
Thankyou

>>50612421

They were wolverine claws that were based on the forearms and could extend/retract above the wrist.

General sturmm/Lukas Alexander/Motherfuckin Stubbs all wore them.

>>50612277
>tried to paint them like his knight
>instead got yellow buckake
>stripped and primed black
>yellow didn't go on as wel as he hoped
>went with the 'Mid Crusade' scheme where it was silver and yellow, but went with brass instead of yellow to go full metallic
Personally I like them but to each their own

>>50612436
>They were wolverine claws that were based on the forearms and could extend/retract above the wrist.
Those sound pretty great. Zso Sahaal's claws do remain the best in my opinion.
>eneral sturmm/Lukas Alexander/Motherfuckin Stubbs all wore them.
I though Lukas's claws were attached to gauntlets. Didn't he dual wield them too? It's been a while since I checked.
>>50612451
I don't mind them.

>>50612469

He dual wielded them but the blades could retract into the forearms of the gauntlets, allowing his hands to move freely.

He could upgrade to dual power fists which still managed to not be big clonking pieces of shit.

>>50612536
>He could upgrade to dual power fists which still managed to not be big clonking pieces of shit.
Did he have a boxing match with Davian or something?

>>50612552

and Gorgutz

Lukas canonically survived Kronus even though the blood Ravens BTFO'd them.

Stubbs made up for it though.

>>50611838
>DA hate Canadians
Crap. Just because of that and their love of swords, I'm not sure whether to go IW or DA.

>>50612668
Go DA, and take up an axe and a rake.

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How viable are normal dreadnaught talons in HH. I'm considering taking 3 normal dreadnaughts with graviton gun close combat arms for my World Eaters and just sending them charging forward to either eat infantry squads or draw fire from my Land Raiders.

Do you think they will do the job? At 155pts for walkers with 2 haywire shots each they seem quite viable for roaming the table and removing inconvenient threats.

But I don't play that often so I don't know the actual worth of the 465pt investment.

>>50612761
Give them the AP3 flamer and they might be worth it.

>>50612770
The what? Which one is an ap3 flamer?

>>50612761
Not particularly as Cortus are only a slight increase in points but exponentially better

>>50612761

They're kinda lackluster because for 10 points per model you can do the exact same thing with Cortus Contemptors and for another 10 points you can give them a chainfist for maximus armor penetration.


So it's not unviable by any means but it's sub optimal.

>>50612780
I think it's called the inferno cannon.

>>50612798
Nope, never mind, called the Flamestorm Cannon.

>>50612761
Might be worth giving dreadnoughts with frag assault launchers a try. Nobody suspects the frag grenade equipped angry washing machine

>>50612761
"Sub-optimal" as the other anon put it, but at the end of the day it's fluffy and "your dudes" to have Boxnauts out there rather than getting a cheapo contemptor, who does the same thing functionally with better stats and abilities.
Contemptor Cortuses converted to look crude and "Mark 5-ish" 110% make up for the fact that they currently displace boxnauts in the crunch.

Are there any generic MkVI biker legs other than CSM bikers? Ravenwing ones got a bunch of DA crap on them.

>>50613078

Nope, sadly I think even the death watch ones are primarily Mk7.

>>50613078
Have you heard of a nail file?
>>50613150
Deathwatch is old kit with upgrade spure

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>>50611664
>And they call EC vain
Numquid non Aquilae?

>>50613157
>Have you heard of a nail file?

There's two pairs of MkVI legs in the Ravenwing kit. One has a robed statue carved into its left greave (so you'd have to fill it, not file it down) and the other pair has robes (which isn't a problem) and big Ravenwing winged claws on them that extend way out from the legs and actually become part of the robes, meaning that filing them off would require digging them out from the folds of the robe as well, plus fixing stuff you fuck up.

Both require a lot of work, which is why I was asking is there's a kit I'm missing. Especially since CSM bikers are pretty much gone from bits sites, so I can't even get their legs easily from anywhere.

Is there anything specific you would change about 40k's base ruleset, /hhg/?

>>50611412
>The standard half-squat space marine pose looks crap with a jump pack, like really awful.

Pics of this? I can't picture how it would look too bad.

>>50613277
Formations and decurions go into the trash. Everyone uses the same force org.

>>50613277
Remove all non-human armies from the rules

>>50613278
Actually, if you pose it right it'd look like they were just landing or taking off. Could be cool.

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>Yesterday night
>Be the one guy who owns a HH World Eaters army
> Have to play 40k armies
>Its fine though as they dont care
>No HH scene in my area
> Play with a rule that if they bring a Super Heavy, I bring Angron
> Currently Angron is the stores heavy weight champion
>Has killed many Knights, named heroes, Baneblade variants, and even a Reaver
> Friend comes into the store with his "Early Christmas present"
> Calls me out, says he finally has a Primarch that can take me
>For a fleeting moment, I think I might finally have another HH friend
>I knew he bought a Prospero Burns set and a Battle of Calth so I'm excited
>Pulls out the Demon prince model of Magnus
> OhFuckMeWithTheNails.jpg
> Rest of the store backs him jokingly, saying that finally someone can put Angron in his place
> The rest of his army is the new Thousand Sons models
> look actually amazing since half of them were painted
>The terminators are in Tartarus armor, look sick
>We play 2000pts
>I roll forward, put some shots into rhinos, downing a few
>Magnus Jumps forward and StrDs my land raider dead with a laser eye beam
>then blows up a predator with another psychic bullshit power
> My terminators get out
>turns out the ENTIRE Thousand sons range in 40k ONLY have ap3 guns and close combat weapons
>#WTFHappenedToGWPowerCreep
> I Get Angron out of my other Raider and charge into and devour a sorcerer and a squad of Thousand Sons, giving me 2 hatred
> Magnus charges my terminators and fucks them up, my 4++s failed me there
> My turn Angron charges the Primarch
>"Anon, what do you think your 400pt Angron is going to do to my 650pt Magnus"
>"Just watch bitch"
>Angron smacks 10 attacks into the demon
>Tries to mind fuck me up Adamantium will tells him to fuck off,
>Me screaming praises to Khorne as I roll the dice
>3 combat rounds later Magnus finally submits to death
> I, on the spot, turn to my local Wolffags and scream "LOOK, I KILLED HIM! IS THAT SO HARD!"
>Angron's reputation remains solid

>>50613298
This. Formation are a fucking mess, and shit like free transports and free wargear is beyond egregious.

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>>50613307
That was what I was thinking.
I mean, if they can't assume a decent standing pose, the jump packs are far less practical than they should be.

>>50613329
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

SKULLS FOR KHORNE

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>>50613329
That's some next level shit, anon.
Do you have any pics of your army?

>>50613329
Shit like this is why I come here. For some reason the Angron's always have the best "Primarch kills Shit" stories.

>The insult in the end to the Space Wolf players
Anon you madman

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>>50613329
>>turns out the ENTIRE Thousand sons range in 40k ONLY have ap3 guns and close combat weapons
>>#WTFHappenedToGWPowerCreep
Wow, that's awful. But Angron sure kicked some ass.

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>>50613329
Capp'd
>fuckmewiththenails.jpg not fuckmewiththenails.remembrancer ?
Although best part
>scream "LOOK, I KILLED HIM! IS THAT SO HARD!"

>>50613329
>letting angron charge anything

He deserved it.

>>50613395
I dunno, Inferno Bolts have been a thing forever, I feel like their other things are kind of a logical conclusion, especially warp flamers, given the whole fire being an aspect of Tzeentch.

>>50613329
8/8 skulls. The Dice Gods really love you.

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>>50613430
Cappn, was that so hard

>>50613481
me
>click one button
you
>11 clicks then decide on name

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>>50613329
Khorne approves of your offering.

>>50613277

Yeah.


All wounds are assigned by the owning player and casualties are removed at the choice of the owning player unless there is a rule specifying otherwise (or a challenge). This includes AOEs. No more removing closest models.

No more penalties for charging into rough terrain besides the reduced charge roll. Assault grenades are Range 6" assault 2 STR 4 AP5 weapons. Defensive grenades work as normal.

Flyers can start the game on the board if they start hovering and cannot change from hovering to zooming in the first turn.

Doubling the toughness inflicts 2 wounds instead of Instant Death. Eternal warriors are immune to this.

I don't actually mind how battle shock works in AoS but I wouldn't blame any one for not wanting it.

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>>50613502
ehhhh?
Took me like 10 seconds.
I spent more time comprehending your comment and writing mine

>>50613586
ah i was thinking you went the ol'
>prtSc
>Ctrl+V
>click select
>drag
>leggo
>ctrl+c
>Ctrl+n
>ctrl+v
>ctrl+s
>name

And here's my stretch change: units engaged in melee can fire snapshots at any unit they're engaged with during their turn but count as having moved.

>>50613329
Are we having an Angron Storytime Thread!

Because while I've killed Eldar and Imperial Knights before, I've never done anything as dramatic as that.

The only shining moment for me was a massive mega battle a month ago in which the enemy team brought a Greentide of 360 Orks plus a Warboss and I volunteered to clear them out.

My teammates doubted I would do anything but slow them down but I insisted. They got mad when I unloaded my Spartan and charged my 20 man tactical Squad with an Apothecary and Angron into the hoard.

They claimed that I wasted our team's primarch on a giant tar pit. Even the ork player warned me that his hoard had never been killed entirely before in a single game and acknowledged that it was designed to just be a tarpit to hold the objective under them. I shrugged and asked if he ever faced World Eaters before, he said no.

All of them, friend and foe alike looked on with horror as Angron challenged the Warboss and the 6 Nobs all at once, since the GM ruled that the Green Tide was really 6 squads acting as one, he and the Ork player agreed to let me Lord of the Red Sands them all. Angron cleaned the nobs and a lucky 6 downed the warboss before the rest of my tacticals swung 100 hatred str 5 ap4 attacks onto the orks. It took 3 turns but eventually Angron, the squad sergeant, a single tactical marine and the apothecary walked out, just in time to walk to the objective and nab it before the game ended.

Its not as cool as yours, but many green skulls were piled that day. It felt cool, like something actually out of the Great Crusade. It was actually the objective that won our side the game so its probably the proudest moment in my gaming experience, even convinced a new player to build a world eater army.

>>50610395
One thing that's a bit amusing is that FW loves to slap verdigris on all of their gold bits. These guys, the TS, Domitar, Ursarax.

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>>50613691
>Angron, the squad sergeant, a single tactical marine and the apothecary walked out, just in time to walk to the objective and nab it before the game ended.
IN FUNGI AND CHAINAXE TESTED
Holy shit, that was great. 82% casualties
>So, how did you like our first greenskin engagement, tactical class #18651338 ?
>*Lone survivor*: Woooo! Another one!
>Best job I've ever had.

>>50613691
>>50613810
>>50613329
You ever think the Emperor took a look at the aftermath of a World Eaters' battle and just ask himself "what the fuck have I done"?

>>50613728
Yeah, I always find that a bit odd given how competant a lot of their other painting is. Then again, they're painters, not metallurgits, and "hurr durr it's space metal that just looks gold". Regardless when I do gold tarnish I just make it look like it was just goldleaf/plating that's been scraped away, given that gold doesn't erode/oxidize by itself.

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>>50613867
More like
IT
IS
WELL
DONE

>>50613867
He saw the War Hounds fight once. He admired them for their bravery and brotherhood I think.

>>50612703
>axe
>rake
>axe-rake
Have faith, Word Bearer

>>50613867
I remember the very first battles of the War Hounds, when the Imperial Generals asked the commanding officers of the Muhreens how many prisoners they had, and the guy is genuinely surprised and says he wasn't told to make any, like it's not even a possibility in his mind.

>>50613277

Models can forfeit their movement in the movement phase to gain +1 BS in the shooting phase

Cover can be used as it currently is or the defending player may choose to instead give his unit a +1 to their armor save roll instead.

>>50612361
Your bases look gross, I like them.

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>>50613924
I ain't no Word Bear. I forgot the Ashen Circle exist and they have those things. Imma talking about things like this.

>>50613991
Leaf Bearer :^)

>>50614015
You go in the leaf pile first.

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>>50613329
you've done good anon.
you've done good.

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>>50614028
Bueno

>>50613976
Thanks! Really simple stuff, just Stirland Mud, Nuln Oil and 'Ardcoat, then a few layers of Nurgle's Rot here and there.
I just wish I had thought of adding broken walls and trench spikes on all of them and not just the last ones.

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>>50614060
The next generation of Pokemon is too strange.

>>50614091
Aww come on. You never played Age of Mythology?
http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Lazer_Bear

How do I convert Adsecularis?
Finding lots of cheap bodies in Carapace armour is difficult. I'm going Dark Mechanicum, so I was considering Chaos Cultists or Guardsmen with Skitarii heads and possibly backpacks.
Anyone have any better ideas? I'm not paying £37 for 50 points of models, no matter how good they look, and I'm evil, so I can use the "lobotomised horde" thing.
Guardsmen would be part of the Xana Auxilia forces, either naval armsmen or PDF-equivalent.

>>50614115
I have to get this game.

Where does the DA hating trees meme come from? I feel like I'm missing some crucial piece of my army's lore.

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>>50614130
Well, they're Your Dudes so as long as you feel comfortable with them that's alright.
I think you're going to be Xanite Darkmech Cybernetica? I mean, the Reductor faction invented Thallax specifically because they lacked access to Skarii, but Thralls and Skitarii are pretty much look the same, the only difference being one is a retard cybord and the other one isn't.

Crude cranial bits can be the way to go.

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>>50613884
Angron confirmed for having shit taste

>>50614130
i was going to use skitarii vanguard.
if you feel like using a lot of time the Private press range has the mindslaved drudges.
grab some stormtroopers and go at it.
neophyte genesealers work too, in fact the entire range because you are DM
or finally cultists make them into megamen.
if you have the stones of green stuff for it.

>>50614208
I've always found it weird to measure tastes as if they were a quantifiable thing instead of being subjective.
I'm not a grany, I don't like the meat being too soft. Medium is gud, and I don't understand why they call that one meat "blue" if it's pink.

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>>50613873
it does look cool

>>50614167
From the last novel with the Lion it. He used the Dreadwing to cause some deforestation on Maccarge to snuff out Curze. One Anon said it something about it being a reference to a Calibanite DA who didn't trust trees. After that it was agreed upon that the Lion got shellshocked Nam style because of the forests of Caliban.

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"Records from that era are spotty at best!"

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>>50614297
There's also that time Breadanon went to Tenessee and hated the trees or something
>>50614300
Aww man, I wish I could make stuff like that in paint.

Just figured out that the Mortarion I bought a couple of weeks ago is a recast. Really convincing one, but after comparing it to the legit thing I'm bummed out

Reported to eBay, but they're so fucking unhelpful

>>50614300
>"Magos, magos, can I axe you to rake this weapon design?"

>>50614332
Get gimp if you can't figure out things just google how to do it. Image editing can be pretty easy, anon. Not to mention fun.

>>50614332
>There's also that time Breadanon went to Tenessee and hated the trees or something
I was stuck in a truck for hours, I wanted to take pictures and trees were in the way. The food also made my stomach upset and that's why I hate Tennessee. Or at least Piegon Forge.
>>50614300
First you end the Crusade now you steal what is rightfully the First Legion's?!

>>50614130

If you don't want to convert, buy them from china. Depending on who you buy from it's like $18 vs £37. I wouldn't feel bad about it either.

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>>50614410
>Piegon Forge.
I always read this as Pidgeon Forge

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>>50614336
Pics?

>>50614542
It's fine. That place is probably just some Forge World's forge fane.

>>50614197
I have quite a few half-cyborg heads left over from my Kataphrons, as well as about 14 Vanguard heads. Those will help.

>>50614239

Ooh, the Neophytes look good. At £19 for 10 and with a whole bunch of conversion parts I think I'l go for those, especially if I can add some cyborg heads.
Now I just need to figure out artillery, but seeing as I'm starting with Cybernetica that can wait.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Plan is:
Magos Dominus
All the stuff I need to make Scoria
20 Thralls
Hell blade to be a Lightning
Cybernetica bundle if I have the money, if not as much of it as possible.

>>50614532
I would very much go for that if I could figure out how, since most of the recasters apparently don't take new customers.

>>50613395

Not really. Rubrics are 23pts a model and Scarabs are 40. Both have a hard cap of 24in range and their main weapons are bolters. Also Rubrics are Slow and Purposeful so they can't overwatch and 1A per model so they can't do crap in close combat.

In 30k they are much more effective since everything is more expensive from unit pts tax and everything has power armor but if you bring anything with an Armor Value they struggle alot.

>Inb4 Just take Magnus and Daemons :^)

>>50614726
You take the useless thousand sons so that you can summon units of pink horrors, possibly the most broken unit in 40k.

>>50614336
Contact seller about a return/refund and if nothing else, try and have your money returned via PayPal/your bank, depending on which one you used to pay for it.

>>50614750

If only. Rubric's sorcerer is ML and locked into Tzeentch Discipline.

Easier to just take Daemons, since you can buy a squad of like 20 for the cost of 5 Rubrics.

>>50614805
>Easier to just take Daemons

That about sums up 40k chaos space marines.

Suppose this isn't something people will know with any certainty, but do you reckon the other legions will get some upgrade kits for making breachers out of the plastic kit now?

Or are plastic breachers something to hold out hope for over that?

>>50614882
Iirc FW has said contradicting statements ablut plastic breachers.

They said no upgrade kit because we already have resin breachers

They've also said a resin upgrade kit sounds like a good idea, so I dunno.

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Think we can make a 30k version out of this guys? AdMech, SA/IM, and marine guns allowed.

>>50614336
>>50614755
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Intellectual-Property-Policy?_requestid=5672476

Gw themselves may be able to help you
>If you have been a victim of counterfeiting then please let us know by emailing [email protected]. Include as much information as you can and let us know as soon as possible as we may be able to help you claim a refund through services such as PayPal and eBay.

>>50614903
Plastic breachers would save people a hell of a lot of money (inb4 "why would GW/FW do that?") and see them used more in the game. Honestly, we shouldn't have to buy from FW, with all that extra expense, to get troop units, particularly ones that are better used in large numbers.

A 20-man Ultramarine breacher squad from FW (using Mark IV plastic kits) would cost €160/£140, whereas if they were plastic kits, they'd cost half of that.

>>50614336
never buy forgeworld from ebay, always expect it to be a recast.

>>50615103
shit pic

>>50614903
Well, good luck getting any of my money then, FW. I'll just get 3rd party arms and shields, if that's the game you wanna play.

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>>50615260
I found a better quality one.

>>50615314
nice

OK, got a 1.5k game against Night Lords tomorrow to show me the ropes of 30k.
I've been looking through the Astartes book so I know what most of the units do, but not sure on the specific rules. The guy I'm playing is a bit of a cheesemonger in 40k and whines a lot,l but seeing as there's two new players that day it's who I drew.
What do NL do and how do I stop it?
I presume lots of Night Fight, Infiltration and melee?

>>50615479
Fear and Ld. shenanigans. Hope you're playing a high leadership/fearless legion!

>>50615454
Kek. Thanks, Anon.

>>50615479
Expect to fight Curze. What legion are you?

>>50615479
>What do NL do
Spook your guys out.

>how do I stop it?
Mow them down before melee, or else be better than them in melee or a zealous/autistic legion.

>>50611981
>up to 4 pens in 1 shooting turn
WEW

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>>50615479

> what do NL do
See attached

> how do I stop it?
Blast the fuck out of them before they get into melee range.

Buy as many augury scanners as you feasibly can. They're to Night Lords what vacuum cleaners are to dogs.

>>50613430
Your open tabs amuse me.

>>50611981
Most impressive. Particularly when it can be used as an AA weapon system.

Are Deredeo dreadnoughts easily magnetisable? Every weapon option for them seems great in its own way.

>>50615479
What army are you using? And sort of playstyle are they set up for? A Legion Tac horde is going to be a different beast to a Veteran Rhino Rush.

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Anacharis Scoria (with boobs) acquired.

I feel a bit jipped out on account of playing a legion without a Primarch model, what do I do?

>>50615863
Be a master hobbyist and build him, anon.

>>50615508
>>50615536
>>50615606
>>50615669
>>50615803


Taghmata, so my basic squads are largely Fearless and Stubborn, which should help. Explosions I have no problems causing.
I assume KC has some kind of super-Fear?

I don't have a huge amount of stuff, so this was the list I was planning on running.

Ordo Reductor 1500 (Matrix of Ruin)

Archmagos Reductor - Machinator, Cyber-senpai, Abeyant, Augury Scanner, Djin-Skein, 3 Occularis (300)

2x20 Thralls - Carapace, Fearless (100 each)

2x3 Thallax, Meltabombs, Destructor (165 each)

2x1 OR arty tank - Medusa Cannon, Machine Spirit (140 each)

3 Myrmidon Destructors with Graviton Imploders, in a Triaros with Blessed Autosimalcra (240 for the Myrmidons, 140 for Triaros)

Total 1500.

As far as I can tell, he has the Primarch, two groups of 10 guys in Rhinos, a big 20 Assault Marine unit, some fancy jump pack guys, some Plasma guys in a spiky pod, and some other stuff. Not sure about the exact specifics.

My list is pretty much all I have, I will be getting some Cybernetica soon, but for now I'm stuck with Thallax. I hope the artillery is as good as I hear it it, those Jump units mean I won't have much chance to use them.

>>50615874
When I try to find tips for Alpharius, all I get are memes.

>>50615852
>female scoria

I-I require artwork for research purposes.

>>50615898
Wouldn't be surprised if they released some sort of two-pack with both him and Omegon. Or at least bits to make either one of them.

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>>50615898
Alpharius is literally a meme.

So I'm mostly a modeler instead of a player these days.

Been building World Eaters, just painting fun looking units and such as I go along.

But for the first time an actual league is starting in my area and tomorrow I'm going to be playing. So I threw together a list based on what I had finished and painted.

Tell me what you think guys, does it look killy enough?

RoW: Pride of the Legion

HQ: Praetor in Terminator Armor with MC-chainfist and digital lasers 180pts

Elite: Apothecary 45pts

Elite: 2 Cortus Dreadnaughts 305pts
1 with assault cannon
1 with chain axe and close combat arm

Troops:
5 Terminators, 2 claws, 3 fists, autocannon 210pts

Troops: 5 Chain-Fist Terminators 225pts
Dedicated Spartan with the works 400pts

Troops: 9 man Veteran squad 148pts

Heavy: Land Raider Phobos w the works 275pts

Heavy: Predator with Lascannons 105pts

Heavy: Predator with Lascannons 105pts

Total 1998

Considering its looking like I'm fighting fellow beginners I'm not expecting anything really frightening. But I'm excited anyway.

I went Pride of the Legion mainly because I haven't finished my tactical squads fully yet, and the Cataphracti armor looks fantastic.

I'll throw up a picture later tonight when its all put together, I'm making finishing touchups this evening.

>>50615968
I don't know, haven't the HH books sorta ignored Omegon, in the army lists at least? There's not even a 'You can use Alpharius twice, to represent the pair' rule.

>>50615968
That would be too easy. Just buy two of him.

Plus you can only have one Alpharius in a game, so they wouldn't make two of him.

AL players are lucky, because they can make multiple "stand-ins" equipped as Alpharius is and have them be perfectly fluffy.

>>50615852
heyy its the same model I use as my archmagos - boob tech wizards unite!

>>50615173
Holy shit, this is actually useful.

To the anon that posted recaster emails a few weeks ago, thank you for helping me finally get rid of this cancer that's killing the hobby.

Poorfags and chinakiddies can say goodbye to their cancer resin, big daddy GW is about to get his hands on this issue.

>>50611981

Is the Arachnus 30k only?

>>50616282
Right now. I'm 90% sure that IA 14 will add it.

>>50616296

Sounds good. My Space Marines need a way of killing Crimson Hunter aspect pilots with their re-rollable jink save bs.

>>50615878
>Cyber-senpai
Kek
Curze inflicts -4Ld when testing to Fear, and if he fucks up a unit people within 12" must do a sanity check or fall back.
All in all, Mauler bolters fuck them up, and they struggle a lot to destroy vehicles, more so with their obsolete meltabombs.

>>50616372
Get a Sicarian. Those ignore jink.

>>50614297
I like this explanation. Warp beasts coming out of the trees, dammit!

>>50616484
>Warp beasts in the treeline!
>I love the smell of phosphex in the morning.

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>>50614297
>Nam

Don't mind me, just posting an absolute must read about Vietnam.

>>50611710
Why cant troop take that weapon ? limiting to character is sooo dumb

>>50616652
Not as dumb as Ravens Talons being so expensive. Should just be a free swap for anyone who can take a claw.

>>50616596
>Deathwing lumberjacks gunning down civilians on Macragge
>Girlyman asks the Lion how he can kill women and children
>"You just have to lead them more"

>>50616597
an absolute must watch on the subject too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5-f6XCTOg

>>50612761
They're actually pretty awesome with graviton guns. That's the weapon keeping boxdreads (and non-Javelin Land Speeders) viable in the game, so go ahead and use them. Note that if you want a maximum-dreadnought army, you're better off not using the Fury of the Ancients rite of war. You'll have to get an HQ and two cheapo Troops squads, but it's better than losing a million victory points each game.

Mortis boxdreads are fine too; they usually hang back and don't necessarily need the Contemptor's shielding.

It's assault-oriented boxdreads that don't make sense, due to the existence of the Cortus.

So reading through the book more, is there any reason I shouldn't give each of my compulsory Terror Squads 10 Volkite Chargers? That kinda seems really good.

>>50615863
Jipped? You started an army knowing there was no primarch model and you feel jipped? Give me a break… but don’t worry, it’ll be out by the time you grow up. FW’s only been releasing them when they get personally involved in combat in of their black books. The unreleased primarchs haven’t yet.

>>50615878
The FAQ means assault squads with meltabombs aren’t as scary to vehicles or monstrous creatures. The plasma guys in a Dreadclaw will be a major threat and you’ll have a hard time avoiding one turn of shooting. I’d avoid spreading your units out so you can respond quickly – but not so much that Curze can jump from assault to assault. Try to outnumber his units in assaults (the Thallax should count as multiple models, assuming they’re bulky).

>>50616848
No, your instincts are right.

>>50616189
wow thats like the 300th time those 15 last years that we heard that.

And they started to make warlord titan...
And chinaman is infiltrating FW pic of the day more and more without FW even noticing

>>50616948
If FW doesn't notice, how come you do?

>>50616377
Heh, so that does work on compound words.
Not too worried about the fear thing, since half my guys are Fearless or vehicles, but I am NOT letting him get near my Myrmidons if possible.

>>50616850

Right, so I need to get some good use out of those Medusae or one is going to be obliterated by plasma quick sharp.
Thallax are V. Bulky, so I only need one kill on a 10 man squad to deal with that outnumber bonus, and the Thrall units should be able to join any losing combats and pin down his depleted squads. If I manage to deal with KCs retinue I might be able to tarpit him for a bit.

Myrmiodns should do a good job on those, at least. Maybe I'll drop Destructor on one of the Thallax and buy them Irrad Engines, AP3 fleshbane torrent can put the hurt on assault blobs.

>>50617050
Because FW isnt looking at the right forum where people unbox and paint chinamarine to make it to #paintingFW

Just got Betrayal at Calth. Can't decide on the Legion. Help me pick one.

>>50617103
Dubs say Emperor's Faglets.

>>50617103
Can someone post hhg flowchart? Im sure someone has it.

>>50617103
Two marines from each legion.

Seriously though, narrow it down for us.

>>50617103
Dark Angels, but paint them green to trigger people.

>>50617103
Start with naming the ones you know you don't like. Fluff, playstyle, or even color schemes.

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>>50617103
Dubs don't solve anything. You either do as >>50617239 or you refer to the chart.
>>50617210
There's some pics of 30k DAs with some green mixed with the black color scheme.

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Anyone wanna share this please?

>>50617263
Really? Because I play 40k but I've started collecting mk III and IV marines because they're so much nicer than 6/7. I was hoping to give my Ravenwing a shot when DA gets a full 30k release, but if there was a real 30k greenwing I'd happily bring them. Do you know the book/pics of 30k Greenwing?

>>50617263
The guy who made that was truly inspired. May thin paints be on his palette and nice even coats come to him eternally.

>>50617327
They’re not official pics, just what people have painted. Basically black armor with green/white checkers on kneepads or shoulder pauldrons.

It could be a long time before FW covers late-Heresy Dark Angels and tells us exactly when they went green.

>>50617327
Greenwing was made out of DAs tired of Luther's Chaotic tree loving ways and wanted to let everyone know they're not apart of it supposedly.

>>50617361
>>50617378

Life is suffering, but at least we eventually got shoulder pads.

>>50613329
> I, on the spot, turn to my local Wolffags and scream "LOOK, I KILLED HIM! IS THAT SO HARD!"

kek, well played anon

>>50616911

That's a hefty amount of points, but some damn killy points at least for infantry. Should I add in some terminators and a dread then for some AT? Melta Raptors?

>>50617263
I hate those charts. Loyalists WE or NL sounds great, as do traitor BA or SW.

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Painted this guy in like 30 mins as a rough template for my IW army. Thoughts on the color scheme? I apologize for the atrocious lighting and camera quality, I'm building a light box once I have the time.

>>50617442
Looks decent, did you wash the gold?

>>50617495
Based with Vallejo Brass, washed with Sepia Wash and highlighted with Gold. Does it look too shiny?

>>50617423
Now that meltabombs are limited in “throws” per turn, NL probably need dreads, tanks, or heavy support squads for anti-tank.

And I wouldn’t give all your terror squads volkites. A squad that uses them will do a lot of damage but be very vulnerable the next turn, so have another squad (without volkite chargers) charge the enemy and prevent them from shooting back next turn.

>>50617442
Looks really good, given how hard it is to see. Open your blinds and position yourself between the window and the mini when you take the picture.

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>>50617433
Do not disrespect the charts. They save time and posts then trying to get dubs so someone who has no intention of playing the army and just wants to post that.

>>50617442
Like the colours, but the black on the shoulder looks really... thick? Maybe its the picture, but it looks super chunky just on the shoulder.
Also MOLDLINES!

>>50617518
>>50617518
Good, no it doesn't look too shiny.

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>>50617523
better?

>>50617562
I had some trouble with the black. Thinned it a little too much and it pooled in the corners. I was rushing to paint this so I didn't pay it much mind. Also I'm too lazy to remove the mold lines on models, especially for rank and file guys like this.

On a side note the grey highlight on the gun will be toned down in later versions. I just noticed how bright it is.

>>50617103
Word Bearers.

>>50617611
Tabletop quality, sir. Not going to win any awards, but for a quick job it does what it needs to do in a tasteful, presentable fashion.

>>50617611
Good luck painting the rest! I've painted a lot of black in building my ravenwing, and I prefer to use a very thinned layer of black (since the primer is presumably black and you just need the black paint to get the right finish) and then just make sure it gets spread very evenly.

>>50613277
I got panned for being a ten year old retard last time I said this but I'd drastically streamline and simplify the rules, strip out challenges, the psychic phase, fleet on everyone and make it the Eldar thing again, de-table as much of it as possible, drastically reduce model counts and eliminate turn limits or increase them drastically. 40K currently has the most overly complex, fiddly and convoluted ruleset of any tabletop game I've ever played and for no real reason, there isn't anything it does that other games don't do with 20% of the rules.

>>50617649
It's a little better than that, imo. I'm used to not seeing any highlighting at all on IW.

>>50617611
I'm not sure it should be toned down.

>>50617305
I should have it till monday. And will post it in HHG. But better remind me because I can forget.

>>50617729
To be fair, doing a 'passable' IW paintjob is like painting Necrons. Primer, metal, some trimmings, and you're done. It is above the standard lazy IW paintjob, that's for sure, especially for a quickie.

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>>50617611
If you tone it down, might be worth only doing it a smidge. Camera's tend to overblow whites and other light colors if they're on a dark background that you otherwise wouldn't notice normally. All of these little white specks on my first EC marine are un-noticeable in person, but they show up incredibly bright in picture. If you think it looks fine in person, it looks fine.

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>>50617914
>>50617729
>>50617675
>>50617649
Cool. Thanks for the input guys.

>>50617719
I think the game can be sped up a lot already simply by making individual model placement waaay less crucial. For example :
>change all blast/template weapons into weapons that do a random amount of hits
>Fuck True Line Of Sight, go back to something more abstract and quick to resolve (seriously, why do we have to peer over every single model that's firing each shooting phase)

Then write the rules in such a way that it is actually clear what the hell they're trying to say, and cut down all the random-roll-to-roll-on-random-result-table-to-have-a-random-roll

>>50618092
Any time. /tg/ really needs more constructive criticism and support for the hobbyists that come here.

How good are Vorax?
I kind of want some awesome bugbots since I5 RIP AND TEAR is awesome, and a unit of 3 is fairly cheap, but would they live that long?
I can mathhammer performance against anything, but do they ever reach combat for my fellow Admechbros?

>>50618319
Yeah, removing TLOS, removing awkward models and possibly the templates (though I have a lot of affection for pie plates) along with toning the tables and the sheer number of special rules down would help a lot. More of their rules should say what the thing does rather than link to another rule.

Peronally I'd rather go further and strip out the random psychic powers, warlord rules and turn them back into essentially wargear. The psychic phase is cluttered considering how much stuff doesn't really happen there and so on. Vehicles should be more mobile, snapshots shouldn't be a thing, grenades don't need a profile considering they're never used outside of their combat buff, basically I want much, much quicker turns so you can get more turns and so manoeuvre and plan a bit more.

Then again I know I want an incredibly simple ruleset and that most people probably like a little more in the way of options.

>>50613277
>>50618319

Honestly, I think it really just needs the fat cut out and to be streamlined. There's so many different stats, phases, qualities, traits, conditions, wargear, and numbers that you can easily get lost in the details, especially when everything is scattered across shelves worth of books and supplements. Yeah, I know it's how 40k has always done it, but they're piling more and more and more onto a nearly 30 year-old system that is grinding under its own weight.

One of the reasons I haven't gotten back into the game is because of how dense everything has gotten (with accompanying power creep). Unless I resorted to netlisting, I'd get floored by current players because I'd simply have no idea where to even start.

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>>50617103

Bitter Lemons

>>50618426
You can still have a simplified ruleset with options ontop. The problem is, the ruleset itself was already kinda chunky, and with everything else on top trying to accomplish anything is a slog.

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Think this looks fine for Thousand Sons, or way over the top with "lol egyptian, egyptian everywhere"?

>>50618741
>or way over the top

No such thing with 40k.

>>50618787
too much bling kills the bling

>>50618741
Looks swag sempai

>>50618655
I'd start with a very simple ruleset and keep complications to the codex releases. That way you'd have very fast rules and each player would only have their armies optional rules to track. I'd also like AoS/Warmachine style unit entries with attacks listed for stuff that allows it, rather than having to notice your dread has 'Hammer of Wrath' and go find out what that means just list its stomp attack in its profile as a weapon.

What I mean by less rules is take that big list that says fleshbane, rending, shred and so on and just rip it in half. Most of those rules do not need to exist, they do nothing for the feel of the weapons and just mean you have to cross reference rules against rules. It feels like playing D&D at the moment and there's a reason WOTC make spell cards for D&D.

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>>50618814
hm alright, guess I'll bite then. Maybe without all these bright colors it'll look a little less distracting

>>50618426
>>50618565
I’m a huge fan of Epic Armageddon, which has a small number of universal special rules and very, very few non-universal ones. It also has relatively long movement distances. More movement is great because it means deployment isn’t quite as crucial – I feel like a lot of 40k/30k games are on rails once the first turn starts. You don’t have much time or space to adjust your initial plan.

Years ago, GW’s designers said younger audiences are really into figuring out interactions between special rules. You can see it in M:tG, but also in all the special rules 40k units have. Older players seem to be more into positioning and maneuver, and they deliberately designed 40k and Epic for one and the other. That might mean it’s impossible for a game to make everybody happy.

>>50618741
It's fine, but I'd mute the red and blue.

>>50613277
all monstrous creatures and walkers ignore terrain in all regards while moving and charging

>>50618319
>>50618426
>>50618565
That's 40k general talk

Who makes a good bodyguard for Anacharis Scoria?
I was considering either two Arlatax or two Domitars, since he needs to be Fearless and some big smashy things are always nice.
Causing disordered charges might also be helpful.

>>50618980
Vorax + scout move.

Domitar are overcosted and Arlatax don't want to be chained to Scoria.

>>50619074
Yeah, I liked the look of those too, but they seem so fragile in comparison. I do like I5 AP2, though. I see a lot of Red Butchers being thrown at my HQ units, that should put him off that plan. With Scoria's buff that's 3 or 4 dead butchers before they even get to swing, and if he wants to throw 10 at me, be my guest.

Do I take the Irrad Cleansers on the Vorax? Looks like a better option for what I would be fighting, honestly, but expensive.

>>50617523

The terror squads don't actually lose their BP+CCW for talking the Volkites, though, or is it better to save the 50 points?

I have the one Dread from Calth, so I add that with a MM and a melta in the fist? Or would it be better to go with a Las or even a beamer?

Anyone got some pro tips for fighting against Legio Cybernetica as Marines?

I know I want to murder all the scoring and there will be plenty of big robutts to fight.

>>50614130
My friend used Cadian bodies with Skitarii vanguard heads and the longer Skitarii rifle-arms. Look pretty sweet. Aquilas and stuff filed off ofc.

>>50616189
That's okay m8, if Chinaman goes I'll just switch to another system and leave you all by yourself in your mom's basement waiting for good boy points to spend on another titan you'll never use :^)

>>50618741
HOL UP

>>50619355
Kill the cyber cortex(es), and the army goes to shit.
Kill the adsecularis, and the army can't score for shit.
If they have Scoria then tarpit him.

Cybernetica is kind of the worst of the three mechanicum flavors.

>>50614130
I'm going to use AOS crypt ghouls, converted up with servo skulls and chainsaw hands as revenant alchemy chainblade secularis.

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Dem sweet, sweet hazard stripes man.
Always a good feel when they don't spill out.

>>50619381
That also sounds good, but I already used most of my Skitarii guns in some Inquisition Acolytes, so I think I will be using the Neophytes. The Skitarii heads go on everything, it's brilliant.

>>50619653

I have neither the parts nor skill for that, and I was planning on going for Carapace and Fearless, but that also sounds cool. Post some pics when you've done them.

>>50619524
what?

So one of the guys at my FLGS got himself a warlord last week, how would one go about making a 3k pt list to take it down? Im thinking a bunch of melee knights

>>50619826
Chainfist Terminators by the dozen.

>>50619826
Maybe some Lightning fighters as well? Lascannon do a decent job popping the void Shields, and those Kraken missiles will do some serious damage, AV15 or not.
Maybe that Superheavy that forces penned targets to snapfire? That basically neuters the thing for a turn.

>>50610286

Autocannons are better than lascannons.

>>50619524
*Communes with daemons*
SO YOU BE SAYIN'

>>50619826
30 Alpha Legion saboteurs ?

>>50619826
>melee knights versus warlord
at this point I'd be asking "why don't you guys just play adeptus titanicus"

Because I'm pretty sure I've played that exact matchup before .

>>50619909
*pokes hole in webway*
WE SUM FINNA

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>>50619993
>>50619909
>>50619524
Stop that.

>>50619993
*Hides and forgets 80,000 marines*
NOW HOL UP A SECOND

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Is GW trolling or are these "Ultramarines" painted with Alpha Legion colors?

>>50620626

Coils of the Hydra, Son.

I wrong for wanting my NL Praetor to have a pair claws instead of a blade?

>>50620696
No. If it looks cool to you, do it. It's the only correct way to approach modelling.

>>50620696
Nah, go for it, looks cool as fuck. What you could do is model one of the lighting claws differently so one is an actual lighting claw and the other claw is a paragon blade. Make sure it looks fancy and different enough and I'd allow it.

>>50620626
More like trolling us

"We could just take release boarding shields. I mean they are seperate molds. But nah. Heres some UM stuff that we will sell a fraction of."

>>50620786
4/5 is still a fraction.

>>50620786
if they were for mk3 plastics I probably would have bought them

I think I'll go with Sons of Horus.

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>>50615898
Some guy made and used this for his Alpharius. I think it's pretty gud.

>>50620717
>>50620739

Alright, cool. Most people seem weirded out for not taking a blade. The claws really do it for me with the NL, especially over the Chainglaives, though rending is pretty nice.

I might model a really fancy claw, though. I like that idea.

What I can't decide is if I should go for Atramentar vibe with Cataphractii armor, or the Raptor route.

>>50620995

I like it but the chestplate around the ribs need work and he is too slim. FW always makes characters bulky looking. He looks like Alpharius if he were a human inquisitor.

>>50621010
>Most people seem weirded out for not taking a blade

Because that is the cookie cutter loadout that all legions use. Dual LC is what NL and RG should use, but chances are if they are making a min/max list their Praetors will have relic blade.

>>50621030
>relic blade

I mean Paragon Blade, sorry.

>>50620992
Are you the guy who was asking for help picking a legion earlier?

Either way, they're a good choice.

>>50621042
Relic blades are just paragon blades 10,000 years later, aren't they?

>>50621030
>>50621042

Well, I'm making stuff for 30k. If I want more Mix/Max, I'll play 40k. I just want a sweet Night Lords Legion. As long as I'm not totally gimped, I'll be grand.

>>50617305
I bought it and i finished it.

It's amazing!

>>50621094
Check your options. If you still want a pistol I think you'll have to say the paired claws count as your paragon blade?
Also PB's are specialist weapons so bear that in mind.

>>50621016
If anything, they made him too large. He made the model with Tartaros armour and still added to the height. Alpharius is the supposedly the same size as his legionaries, after all.

>>50621251

>specialist

Oh wow. I thought they were 2H like Relic blades. That's quite the option, actually.

It looks like he can swap the Pistol and CCW separately, so I can do Claw/Blade. It's 45pts, but I can do it. However, he can't be in TA for it. Termies have to drop the PA for a melee, Combi for a CW/VC, or both for claws.

I guess that answers the armor question lol

>>50620995
Love everything but the salamander iconography.

>>50621574
You mean the scaly monster iconography that is similar for both factions? I can't really tell what's on the shoulderpads though.

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>>50621721
No I mean the two Salamander Legion icons on his chest.

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>>50621971
New thread. Have a spooky Trump.