/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

how much shit would I get if I showed up with my darkmech army with a brass scorpion as a LoW?

>>50579777
A better use of the power would be to draw the Inferno closer to us.

Reminder that Black Library leads to shitposting.

Alpharius can never die.

>>50594414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKy4BdOVsZI

>>50594354
So does Forge World so no one cares.

I'm currently assembling my Night lords for 40k, but I'm modelling them so I can also use them in 30k.

I need another set of terminators, and I currently have one set of 5 Cataphractii and one set of 5 Tartaros. Which pattern is more fitting for a Night Lords legion? I'm leaning towards Tartaros because they can sweep.

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>>50594414
>Alpharius can never die.

>>50594516

Can anyone remember shit fests coming from black book lore? I cant

>>50594679
>>50594414
Alpharius condones combat Aug array saboteurs for auto-explode fun :^)

Just finished Thousand Sons. Breddy good imo, i know the black library stuff is....controversial on here but once i forced myself through the first few chapters (muh enumerations) i enjoyed it more than Prospero Burns.

Do we ever find out what happens to the chubby psychic and his fag-hag friends after they get off world? Their story kinda ends when the spess wolves show up but it doesn't mention them being blown up

>>50594627
Catapractii are both easier to maintain and more brutal. If you're night lords then the entire rest of your army can sweep advance and you'll want the termies to take as much punishment as they need to on behalf of your assault/terror/night raptor squads. Besides, if you deep strike them they can't charge that turn anyway. What good is a sweeping advance going to get you if the squad is dead before they get there anyway?

>>50594627
I'd go with cataphractii just because it looks more brutal, and so I think it fits night lords more. Also, if you're teleporting them in, it's slightly more survivable for the turn they have to stand around like lemons.

>>50594732
I think they talk to Dorn or something, also which edition, as the latest ones really bulk out the numbers

>>50594732
Random question but did you buy the book recently? Theres supposed to be changes in the 2014 edition that could be interesting but I cant be fucked buying a book I've already bought

>>50594739
>>50594748

That makes sense, and I do plan on teleporting them in because why the hell not, right? Better have the hefty save, though I will still have the 5 Tartaros to use regardless.

Seeing as you both agree that the Cataphractii also looks more fitting, which I agree too, then I guess I'll end up with 10 Cataphractii and 5 Tartaros. Thanks!

Also, since FW doesn't sell jump packs, which 3rd party packs look best for Night Talons? The MiniMax? Which armor do I use with it, MkIII or MkIV?

>>50594245
Holy shit, I was wondering the same thing.

>>50594832
fuck it, my group seems ok with it, and we're playing 30k vs 40k all the time, so its just going to get deleted by a WK anyways. I'm going for it anons, it'll be my birthday present to myself, along with some beepboops and conversion fodder for thralls. considering turning the talos pain engine into a domitar

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>>50594245
Fuck anyone who says no

>>50594245
Play it fluffy, anon, it's more fun.

Daemon Primarch Angron when?

What's the optimal amount of vorax in a unit?

>>50595050
as many as you can desu, they look very versatile on paper at least.

>>50595087

Would 3 vorax and a praevian make a good flanking unit?

>>50595103
don't know how much stock you can put in the rotors, but with the preavian boost, the lightning guns and S6 in melee ought to do decently against lighter vehicles and smaller squads.

Cheeky 2500 iron warrior list for a tournament.

Rite of War. Hammer of Olympia.

HQ

Praetor. Cataphracti Armour, chainfist , digital lasers . Warsmith 165

Elite

Cortus Contemptor, kheres , heavy flamer. 170

Cortus Contemptor, kheres , heavy flamer. 170

Troops

10 man tactical squad, extra CCW, sergeant with Artificer armour and power fist , rhino with dozer blade and multimelta 225

10 man tactical squad, extra CCW, sergeant with Artificer armour and power fist , rhino with dozer blade and multimelta 225

10 man tactical squad, extra CCW, sergeant with Artificer armour and power fist , rhino with dozer blade and multimelta 225


Heavy Support

10 Tyrant Siege Terminators , 1 chainfist . 550

Deredeo with aiolos missiles

2 vindicator squadron , dozer blades. 250

3 Predator Squadron , heavy bolter Sponsons, dozer blades. 300

Praetor goes with the cataphracti and provides ablative wounds and a nasty surprise if they get assaulted. They create a firebase with the deredeo and protect it.

Cortus are a distraction/ counter assault unit.

Rest of the tanks and rhinos advance together, squads take objectives and predators and vindicators provide fire support.

Thoughts ?

>>50595035
You can just use a regular Bloodthirster for his model desu.

Now daemon Fulgrim is where the party's at

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>The machine advanced at Ra’s side, its shoulder cannons tracking independently of its primary attention, groaning with the ear-straining choooooom of Martian volkite beams and the heavier staccato crashing of Avenger bolt cannons.

>>50595590
CHOOM FOR THE CHOOM GOD!

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I hate sleeping on the job.
Mortarion never learned biology did he? Why didn't he go with bright colors for the his legion?

>>50594685
Are you fucking kidding me?
decimation, Mechanicum frogs, "every legion has traitors", Scoria, Alpharius helmet, CHAIN AXES.

Plenty of shitposting comes from Forge World.

>>50595655

>Mechanicum frogs

what

>>50595655
Don't forget Autek Mor's moon.

>>50595433
Was tempted by the FW Bloodthirster, cuz I've obviously too much money.

Are they doing updated stats for the rest of the Primarchs as the Heresy goes on do you know ? Different stats for Horus, More psychic shit for Lorgar, -1 heads for Ferrus, etc...

>>50595628
Because Mortarion didn't want to give the opposition any warning.

Also because DG in general hated anything and everything fancy and still got stuck on the same team with the most fancy boys of the whole crusade somehow

>... That's a whole new angle on persons with painted hair I never thought of before ...

>>50595755
>Because Mortarion didn't want to give the opposition any warning.
But he did though. His scent.

>>50595697
Ferrus already has a detachable head.

They've confirmed there are going to be different stats by the end, don't know about models

>>50595799
Ah okay cool. I thought I'd seen that somewhere but I'm currently tainted by papa-nurgle's cursed man-flu so my brain has melted.

>>50595590
>emps was totally fine with this guy being the head of the Mechanicum

>>50595820
Dude he's like 67% tubes, how could he be anything other than the machine-man for the job?

>>50595820
Not much Emps could do about it without hurting the agreement.

>>50595590
Is this Wayne England's work?

>>50595902
Neil Roberts

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>>50595941
I miss Wanye. He drew best Khârn and my favorite style of exhaust ports. Go ahead guess which one is best Khârn over the years.

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I don't know how I feel about the armored skirt.

The head is absolutely atrocious though. I hope it's a separate piece.

>>50596102
Power Shovel confirmed !

Looking forward to my +2 to go to ground oh yeah.

>>50596102
Is that supposed to be a generic primus medicae or a special character? It looks horrible.

>>50596102
I like the head. That stubber is neat too.

Powerkilt is awful though.

>>50596102

Jesus, and we thought the last one was a THICCmarine.

>>50596102
What on this Gay Earth is that supposed to even bet?

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>>50596102
>not liking armored skirts
What are you?

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>>50595976
Is that a Kharn in black legion armor?

>>50595590
>Choom is canon.
Glorious.

>>50596168
I think a docmarine.

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>>50596102
That guy looks THICC enough to be a Heavy Support choice

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>>50596197
That's a Pre-Heresy Khârn(best Khârn). But 2E Khârn is also nice, but mainly for the choppa on his plasma gun.

>>50595675

The first images of the Thallax and Castellax were shitty angled. They looked like sad fucking frogs.

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>>50596102
Is he some sort of DG Medicae or something? Could it be Necrosius? It kind of looks like a banegyn to me.
>>50596140
I thought it was a power shovel too!
>>50595590
>>50596202
And people said mortals wouldn't be able to deal with our meme :^)

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so how does HHG regard the use of blue in an Iron Hands paintjob?

>>50596619
Blue Steel is a thing therefore it meets the Iron Council's mandate of being sufficiently METAL.

>>50596619

A little too teal. I imagine a darker Ultramarines blue with the black oily metal armor would look awesome

>>50596619
As long as you get those hazard stripes in there somewhere you're kosher. Otherwise, you're just playing IF.

>>50596700
>Ultramarines
WEAKNESS DETECTED!
DEPLOYING VOLKITE!

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>>50596668
So, Ferrus had only three moods: slightly angry, REEEE FULGRIIIIIM and Blue Steel?

>>50596339
I need to see this. Would you be so kind to share an example?

>>50596722

ERrrmm, how about Crimson fists blue?

>>50596753

thats actually El Tigre

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>>50596832
I was going to argue how google said it was Blue Steel, but then I remembered the differences between his trademark looks and realized the futility of my argument.

>>50596753
Don't forget Magnum.

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>>50596709
That's an IH, not an IW, you mong.

>>50596709
>Iron Hands
>Hazard Stripes
Pick one

So I'm thinking of doing a night lords terror assault list at 3k. Basing it post Thramas with a mix of armour marks etc. This is what I've got so far:

HQ:
Legion delegatus (volkite charger, artificer armour, refractor field, melta bombs, chainglaive) 115

TROOPS:

9 man Terror Squad (9 volkite chargers, sarge with artificer armour, melta bombs, chainglaive) in a drop pod 290

10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with artificer armour, melta bombs, chainglaive) in a drop pod 310

10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with artificer armour, melta bombs, chainglaive) 275

10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with artificer armour, melta bombs, chainglaive) 275

10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with artificer armour, melta bombs, chainglaive) 275

ELITES:

10 man Veteran Squad (marksmen, 2 x plasma guns) in a drop pod 225

FAST ATTACK:

Javelin Speeder (2 x hunter killer missiles, TL lascannon) 75

Javelin Speeder (2 x hunter killer missiles, TL lascannon) 75

Lightning Fighter (6 kraken penetrators, ground tracking auguries, battle servitor control) 285

HEAVY SUPPORT:

Malcador Tank Squadron (2 Malcadors with flare shields, armoured ceremite, lascannon sponsons, battle cannon, demolisher cannon) 790

2990/3000

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>>50597027
But how are we IH if we're all AL, brother?

>>50597134
We're not.

The Alpha Legion is a meme.
One of their primarches is dead.
Their fanbase is cancer.
Their literature uninspired.
And lastly, nobody actually plays them.

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>>50597197
;^)

>>50596619
I think it's great. Red should be left to the Dark Angels, and white is more of a Raven Guard color. That leaves silver, which would be boring without any colored accents. It's more blue than I'm used to but that's not a problem (the norm is just a little bit, like the eyes and a few weapon bits).

>>50597197
Or are they?
Or do they?

>>50597253
Or AM I?!

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>>50597231
>>50597253
>>50597293

>>50597197

I actually do play AL IRL

>>50597197
>most selected army on hhg
I'm sure that nobody plays them anon.

>>50597534
You do know some of those are memers and false flagging?

>>50597534
>people on /tg/ actually playing games
Come on now, you and I know less than half the people that claim to play are actually playing, and an even smaller number plays on an actual regular basis.

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>>50597534
While some are false flags and people doing it for teh memes, I've seen more actual AL players than, say, IH, WS, or NL (though that might just be my area)

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post your MkV

>>50598092
that torso is way out of place for cataphractii

otherwise he's an interesting model

>>50598092
I want to give him a dome to cover the face.

>>50598092
I like him a lot. Skipped some of the other exclusives but this guy has my attention. Would look good in a lot of different color schemes, too. Death Guard maybe?

>>50598092
Honestly, with a proper helmet, I could see it happening.
Not sure though, the skirt feels weird on an IW.

>>50595000
checked, also would get fucked by such a nice army.

>>50598258
So don't make it an IW.

>>50598258
this is surlak in all but name

>>50598472
>Not making it part of my Bitter Boys

But anon, that's not how it works.

>>50598491
Surlak isn't in Cataphractii armor though.

>>50598092
nice 3rd party model

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>>50598092
>Space tommy gun

Ill take 20

>>50597574
Key word being some

>>50598092
Does FW have a new sculptor or something?

>>50597574
>memers and falose flagging
Sounds like AL alright.

>>50597722
looks noice

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>>50597722
Ignore the apothecary.

>>50599171
is that kantor blue on the shoulders?

>>50599171
Fuking love autocannons man, they look so good

>>50599220
Nah, that was Vallejo medium blue. I've lately moved on to using Alataioc blue as a base, and it's been pretty nice.

>>50599285
Fucking same, they're brutal.

>>50599171
>Mk V
Anon confirmed scrub.

>>50598092
>where is this model from

>>50599348
WE look sexy as fuck in Mk V, they are some real good looking studs.

>>50599361
gina

>>50599476
what?

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>>50594822

Bump?

MaxMini is the obvious choice. Would the silver wing pattern be out of place on nightlords? My gut says yes.

I also found pic related on Spell Crow, which seems pretty good. However, I have never heard of them.

Also, still not sure about which armor pattern to use.

>>50595000
Triggered.

Nah that model is dope.

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Trying out an ivory trim. Doesn't look too bad.

>>50599802
Bretty good. TS?

>>50599802
Yeah, I like it. The red reminds me of 2nd edition Blood Angels, but the ivory trim makes it clear who they are.

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The start of my little abhuman counterinsurgency gang.

>S8, I4
>infiltrate
>implacable advance
Infiltrating ogryn will never not be hilarious. I wish I could give them a medical orderly as well.

The rest will have to wait until after I shore up my motor pool for some games, though.

>>50600382
>Giving Nork's special vox to someone who isn't Nork.
Shame!

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>>50600382
Amazing work, Anon.

>>50600472
he gets lonely without his little buddy

also nork doesn't exist in 30k

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>>50600531
>Nork doesn't exist in 30k
Let's change that, someone give me an Ogryn statline and some dice.

>>50600565
They're the exact same as in 40k, and nork without all of his bodyguard skills ain't nork. Though being able to take ogryn bodyguards in militia command squads would be pretty sweet.

also on the subject of 30k ogryn; charonites? kinda fucked up. In a way beyond regular arco-flagellation fucked up, because of how loyal and trusting ogryn are.

>>50600382

They look great. Also:

>That Not!Sicarius.
>With not 1, nor 2, but 3 power swords.

I would complain a bit if it didn't look so cool.

>>50600667
Melee table 5 looks kinda bodyguardy.

>>50599992
Well, it does say TS in the filename, so I'd hope so

>>50600767
I was originally going to slice the dagger out of the skullhilt, but the idea of a guy carrying a million swords with him was amusing.

>>50600771
Kind of, but nork's got the ability to bypass the test to jump into ongoing challenges and lets characters in his unit auto-pass look out sirs.

Which honestly isn't important at all in the militia army because orders aren't a thing, but it's still pretty cool. No one seems to remember glorious intervention when their killy characters get stonewalled.

>>50600877
Indeed it does. Silly me.

>>50600382
What provenances? Gene-crafted and...

Also, why not axes? S7 AP2 is way better than S8 AP4 in a game full of Marines. I opted for axes because of that. Abhuman Helots to boot and they're S6 T6 base.

>>50601206
Warrior elite. It's not great, but you have to take that for the opertii RoW (which is what gives them implacable advance and infiltrate).

Clubs are so they can act as ad-hoc tank/dreadnought busters, which is what's going to be going after them more often than not. The force commander will be packing a melta bomb and iron halo as to hopefully keep them alive against any S10.

>>50601348
Ultra-Anon, have you modelled a Breacher-Testudos?

Speaking of Milita and Cults, I want to ally some tarpits in to my Legio Cybernetica, but I'm not too familliar with the army list. I do want that Cyber-Augmented provenance for Sworn Brothers, though. Can anyone point me to a good second Provenance and some decent units? I do want them to be good at tarpitting, so some LD buff might be nice.

My army is Traitors normally, if that has any bearing on which you can pick.

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HHG help me I bought too many World Eater dice

>>50601348
Oh, ok.

>>50601442
No breachers on the cards. I'd like to do a command squad with power weapons and combat shields to go along with my praetor, though.

>>50601543
your gonna need them for the amount of attacks you'll be shitting out

>>50601589
I thought about axes, but losing the I4 is a big deal in dreadnought town.

>>50601652
Sure. If you have Abhuman Helots, you'd be T6 and laugh at ID through double Str., but then you'd lose the Strength bonus from Gene-Crafted.

>>50601750
Oh, right on. Yeah if you didn't have to think about ID axes would be the way to go.

I don't think I'd want to play standard militia after tasting infiltrating militia, though. I've even got an excuse to do up three sentinels now, since they fit in the allied detachment and all the other options are fucking awful.

>>50601798
I'm just working on a small (1000pts.) Militia detachment as some thralls/serfs for my SW. Grenadiers with bolters and plasma guns as Troops (modeled somewhat like old Wolf Scouts) and making some Wulfen into Ogryns with big crude axes and such. Power Armoured force commander's gonna join them with a master-crafted power fist. Distrusted Allies from Abhuman Helots doesn't bother since Militia as Distrusted with SW already.

I've been planning a proper Army army at some point (been wanting to make 30k Army since like 3e), but I'll wait and see if they get better rules in the future. Right now we just got super elite SA and PDF Militia.

>>50601925
Yeah, the SA aren't too interesting either, which is a shame.

>>50601996
They'd be far more interesting as a regiment type. Like if they represented void troops of the Imperial Army, rather than the super-elite better than everyone else top tier. FW has some need to make everything they make the best of the best. Look at Tartaros armour. It's the best terminator suit of them all. Or the Deimos rhino, which is better than Mars. Contemptor is better than Castaferrum.

>>50601615
I guess so. Bought all 64 dice for $50 from someone on a Facebook group. Otherwise I couldn't imagine paying full FW price for it.

>>50602075
Not even that, what I mean is their rules are fairly dull.

I'd be fine with solar auxilia if they were super guard, rather than watered down marines.

Tell me about your variant colour schemes anons.

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>>50602396
I have dark IW since I apply washes on leadbelcher straight away, don't layer on it afterwards AND sponge black and mud on them. It's...different. I'm always wondering if I made the right choice, but I'm confident will go away as my army grows alongside my painting skills.
I'm going to try to use the gloss Nuln oil to keep a shiny effect on my mk3, looking forward to seeing how it ends.

>>50602450
I almost thought you were KA talking about his IW, then I noticed the good hazard stripes and remembered that KA still hasn't done his.

Predictions on what Custodes we'll see?

HQ
>Valdor
>some generic hq guy

Elites
>shieldstodes ft. KING OF SWORDS
>contemptsotde

Troops
>regular custodes

Heavy Support
>Caladius

Fast attack
>That version of the caladius without the autocannon on the top that was seen at the open day a few weeks ago

And then I reckon we'll just have squads of sisters for filler

>>50601543
64 dice? That's a solid collection, and a worthy accomplishment in its own right. And assuming you don't lose your dice on a daily basis you'll have plenty of dice for years to come.

Just pray that they don't hate you

>>50602396
Xana colours, a slightly darker version of the House Malinax scheme for the "organic" forces (including Thallax, Reductor troops, Thralls etc.) and vehicles, Taghmata Scoria brass for the Cybernetica, both broken up with dried-blood colour armour panels/one shoulder pad to vary the scheme and provide a good place to put white insignia or decals.
Not sure whether this qualifies as a "variant" since Mechanicum have a lot more freedom in that regard, though.

>>50602477
hopefully jetbikes and grav-rhinos as well

>>50602464
He dishonours us all!
I'll get around taking a proper pic of my first squad as soon as the sergeant and the last guy are done.

>>50596619
They paint job in general is so shit it is really hard to tell if the blue is bad in and of itself

>>50602477
>>50602510
And Termie Custodes
Companions might get a unit too.
Assassins might be elites.

>>50602554
>Doesn't say why it's shit
Post models or shoo.

>>50602477
> Read that as 'contempt Chode'
Keked

>>50602584
Why it sucks
Paint too thick.
No highlights at all
Nothing to pick out the black
Teal looks like it is a glaser over another color, which was put on WAY too thick, and now it looks splotchy
Did I mention thin your fucking paint?
That's just the begining. It looks fucking horrible

>>50596619
at first glance it looks okay, outside of the back of the cloak, but you gotta take steadier pictures.

>>50602557
They've already said assassins aren't in this book, hopefully they'll be in the next one

Termstodes would be cool, reckon we'll see tartaros or only cataphractii as custodes already have tartaros in terms of stats?

>>50602656
See anon, this post is much better than the original!
I will make you a good contributor yet.

>>50596619
The contrast between the teal and the black is too strong, and that means it is difficult to make out the highlights you've done on the black armour. Either go back and do one more highlight of the black (corners, really hard edges etc) or tone down the blue.
I would also apply whatever wash you used on the blue in a thinner coat next time, as it has pooled on this model to make the finish uneven. Adding some highlights to the metal parts would go a long way as well.

Are space marine legions the only armies in Horus Heresy or are there any alien armies like Eldar or Orks?

>>50602935
No faggot xenos, but there are human and Mechanicum forces.

>>50602935
Sm Legions
Mechanium
Imperial Army

>>50602935
Legions, Solar Auxilia, Mechanicum, Chaos Daemons (Use 40k codex), and Militia.

FW has stated that there will never be xenos in 30k, as it focuses directly on the horus heresy.

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>>50602935
>Eldar

>>50602935
You get Mechanicum, Solar Auxilia (super badass guard), and Imperial Militia and Warp Cults (basically renegades and heretics in loyalist and not loyalist varieties), but no alien armies.

>>50602935
30k Eldar were confirmed by FW to be coming along at some point

>>50602935
For non mureens we have Mechanicum Imperial milita/warp cults (who can work if you want to play one of those oddball alien races who never got their own codex), Solar Auxilia (THE BEST of the non-augmented human armies, its like combining my favorite parts of Stormtroopers and Death Korps of Kreig) and Daemons get an honorable mention as I'm pretty sure Word Bears have a special rule or two that deals with taking them as allied detachments specifically. Xeno armies like Eldar and Orks are used as-is, which has its ups and downs for both 30k and 40k players.

>>50602992
Hang on, why did I forget the shark skull?
>>50603027
Liar!

>>50602972
>>50602976
>>50602989
>>50603002
>>50603027
>>50603028
Thanks anons.

The whole Solar Auxilia ones sound pretty interesting especially because of what >>50603028
said about them being like a mix of stormtroopers and death korps.

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Best looking Knight?

I like the Castigator, and in general the lanky knights. More poseable and menacing.

>>50603028
I wouldn't be opposed to allowing full on daemons in 30k, so long as they were using the AoD chart

desu, I'd probably be alright with Eldar, Orks, DE, and maybe even necrons if they were using the AoD chart

>>50603028

It'd be pretty cool to have Ullanor ork models. Even though they all are kill :(

>>50603129
Atrapos

Nothing like having a knight that violates not only the geneva convention but also the laws of physics

>>50603050
>why did I forget the shark skull
Uni, sharks have no bone, only cartilage. Now, alien psychic flying sharks from Mariana III, however...

>>50603157
>I wouldn't be opposed to allowing full on daemons in 30k, so long as they were using the AoD chart

Demons are already legal in 30k according to FW, they just use their own codex and the army restrictions in 30k.

>If Samus is selected in an army which uses Codex: Chaos Daemons as its Primary Detachment
in Age of Darkness games, Samus may be counted as a HQ choice rather than as a Lords of
War choice.

>>50603171
I confess to not having given the Ork codex a proper read in ages but I'm pretty sure you could get a slice of WAAAGH Ullanor by using some of those Nob formations or, better yet, the Supplement rules that let you take Nobz as troops.

>"Big? Deze'un are da runty ones!"

>>50594758
Wasn't that the rememberances hanging with Garro and the death guard that end up with Dorn?

>>50594812
No, ebook copy I've had for a while.

>>50603174
The atrapos goes out and tortures civilians and PoWs?

>>50603129
Styrix or Lancer. I <3 Volkite.

>>50603211
They must have something there, can't flip seals with floppy heads.
...
Ok, the noses look retarded.

>>50603310
Sharks have no bones at all.

>>50603303
Nah I was referring to banning weapons that cause unnecessary suffering and or damage to the environment

But desu the atrapos is pretty nasty, I wouldn't be surprised if it tortured civilians in it's free time

>>50603331
I know.

>>50603355
Pretty sure that's still the Hague.

>>50603279
>No, ebook copy I've had for a while.
If you dont mind checking what years was it published?

>>50603380
Probably, I think I'm getting them confused

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>>50603050
Bam.

>>50603331
Sharks have bones, they used tehm as a ranged weapon.

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>>50602464
meh at least I've got some decals on them now.

>>50603223
>
Are the word bearers the legion in 30k that are the most different from standard SM legions?

>>50603671
All the legions are very similar barring 3 or so special units and some characters, the most different are probably going to be the 1kSons with their psychic focus

>>50603717
Looked like the Word Bearers had demons with from on their FW store page. I'll check out 1kSons.

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>>50603642
Of course, where else would the stinger be attached to?
And yeah, they did scream like that.

>>50603659
Eh, sorry to break it man, but you may have gotten the wrong decals there.

See, 4 in Roman numerals is actually IV, as opposed to the VII your IWs are sporting on their shoulderpad. Rookie mistake, but well, not everybody gets Roman numbers.

At least you put them over yellow areas, so if everything else fails, it's as easy as painting the rest of the body yellow as well. That is, if your list allows it.

Other than that, they seem OK. Iron within, Iron without, my dude!

>>50603747
We won't have rules for them until Feb, atm they're a vanilla legion.
Dunno what they'll have other than the usual 1 or 2 special units. Maybe squad leaders can be mastery 1 psykers or they'll get some Brotherhood of Psykers stuff and a loadsapsykers RoW or something.

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>>50603780

>>50603659
I think the yellow needs a matte varnish put over it. The glossiness looks weird and out of place.

>>50603780
Maybe their the 4th company of the VIIth legion ever think of that my buddy my dude my man my dude?

>>50603781
Ah, sounds cool. Do you need to buy all 6 of the HH books or will the army list one be good enough?

>>50599802
Why're your TS green, anon?

>>50603747
those demons are the OG possessed, when they had 2w and could use actual weapons. Still WBearers, just a special unit of theirs

>>50603211
>people remember Mariana III
And I'm happy.
>>50603559
Sharkversor, what has Land done to you?! The boys back home won't like this.

>>50603747
>>50603671

WB can have demon allies and you can use plenty of possessed bits to make your dudes look more demonic but they're not that different from the other legions and now with the addition of Army of Dark Compliance all traitor legions can have an allied detachment of demons to go with their mortal army WB are no longer the only army that can have demons and demonic shit.

>>50603809
I kinda like the glossy look but yeah it's something I'll consider down the line.

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>>50603815
Why not the 7th Grand Battalion of the IVth Legion? :^)
>>50603659
I like it even if they're using Unification scheme on their late Crusade armour. They're sniper VETS after all.
>>50603559
>>50603853
Deep sea thread was fun. And don't worry anon, the Sharkversor has now been upgraded. It's now a Paragon of Metal!

>>50603815
No, no. That would be the VIIth company of the IV Legion, in which case I find it odd their heraldry focuses on their heraldry as opposed to their Legion.

Although thinking it through, the IW skill unmistakably specifies the Legion, I bet Perty would rather have his men wear their rank and specialty over vain displays of Legion icons.

Also, *they're

>>50603825
Hell no, just get the most recent red book, there should be a download in the OP. Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List. That's your general Legion rules, and what you have to use right now if you run Sons.
In Feb book 7 will drop, either buy that or wait for someone to upload a photo rip.

If you're gonna start building your army now, just get basic units. Running Sons with any kind of fluffiness right now comes down to using a Librarian Consul, who can't be your primary HQ choice.
If you're really into it, the new 40K Rubric and Termies are compatible with Heresy era armours, so you can start converting some sweet troops.

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Iron Progenitor, to your strenght and the will of Ferrum Honore Veniat on Earth
:^)

>The legionary nearest to him was still alive. A World Eater, bisected at the waist, was dragging himself closer to where Ra kneeled. His armour was more red than white, signifying some unknown change within his treasonous Legion. ‘Blood,’ the warrior murmured through a shattered mouth. ‘I was there,’ Ra tried to growl at him, but the exhausted words were a snarling whisper. ‘I was there the day we saved your mongrel primarch from certain death.’ ‘Blood,’ the World Eater mumbled again. His helm had been crushed, savaging the skull and face within. His eyes were glazed, maddened, the pupils mere pinpricks. ‘If only we’d left him there.’ The Custodian laughed, feeling his reknitting bones and abused muscles stinging afresh with the squirted application of adrenal elixirs from inside his armour. ‘Blood…’ ‘If only we’d left him to die in those mountains.’ Ra was smiling now. ‘The one primarch who couldn’t conquer his world. The one primarch who lived as a slave. The one primarch who had to be saved from death.’ ‘Blood!’ The World Eater’s eyes resolved with the ghost of clarity. ‘Blood for the–’ A spear rammed through the World Eater’s spine, driven down between his shoulder blades. The power pack on his back shorted out and died. The warrior himself went into convulsions. Eyes that had so briefly cleared now rolled back into his broken head.

Holy shit lol.

>>50603912
You've turned an egotistical psychic shark that wants everyone to know its a shark and you should suck its dick into more of a monster than it already was before you got your hands on it, Land!

>>50603943
I'm thinking about going either militia or Solar Auxilia. Seems kind of BS that they don't sell complete models for basic militia infantry and that you have to buy a full cadian box and then another set to convert them to militias.

>>50603971
>kneeled

Knelt goddamnit, it's knelt

>>50603972
Did I make the fires worse...or better? :^)
Now that shark's dick has IWND! And it's venomous!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLZxG6pB6U

>>50603970
>Iron Fists
>Everything is Iron coloured apart from the Fists

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>>50604031
Oh the Iron-y
They're not iron coloured fists, but iron coloured Fists

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>>50604023
Freaking rapists of the oceans.

>>50603971
And then another dude uses a WE corpse as a recliner.

>>50604008
I too thought it was only "knelt". Is this true?
>Languages change over time. In English, knelt is slowly giving way to kneeled. This trend is not limited to this verb; there are a few others that are losing their irregular past tense forms―or gaining an -ed form, at least. If knelt were a caterpillar making a transition into a butterfly, it would still be in the cocoon. Right now, both forms exist. They are both still acceptable. In American and British English, knelt is still the most common of the two. British English speakers don’t use kneeled as much as Americans do, but it is also gaining in popularity in that version of English. Though both forms are correct, one or the other may look more natural to you based on what you learned in school or where you live.

The music in that dolphin video only made it more unsettling.

>>50601527

If you're going with big Levy squads, take Cyber-Augmented and Feral Warriors for the +1 to WS, and if you want you can go further and purchase an extra attack.

Levy squads can buy discipline collars for +10 flat regardless of Provenance. That gets you the Stubborn USR at the small risk of killing the entire squad if you roll two 6ses on a morale check.

You *could* get Alchem-Jackers instead of Feral Warriors for a weaker version of Stubborn and the benefit of getting pinned rather than falling back (and Rage for additional cost), but that's at the cost of staying at WS2 with an extra attack only on the charge.

>>50604115
Speaking of linguistics, Carlos does anyone else find the trend towards 'Hotting up' retarded?
It's heating up.

>>50604096
Yep. I also find it hilarious that the custodes keep saying shit like this about Magnus.
>Magnus’ traitorous dogs of the XV wore a paler, more austere shade of crimson
Anyone would think they were a little salty after getting rekt so hard at Prospero.

>>50604203
Never heard that one before. I feel more retarded after reading it already.

>>50604220
By a tenth of the Thousand Sons legion no less :^)

They even had some wolves with them !

>>50604240
>By a tenth of the Thousand Sons legion no less :^)
Huh?

The Sons still got rekt I just remember the custodes jobbing quite hard to Ahriman it particular. I think its hilarious how far up their own ass they are.

>>50604203
>Hotting up
I've never heared :^) anything that retarded, but I do believe vid related is the future of english. It'll eventually resemble guettospeak, or Cloud Atlas' Valleysmen english
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/10/25/the_cloud_atlas_phrasebook_your_guide_to_yibberin_the_true_true_language.html

>>50604266
>Huh?
FW said the the RG were the smallest legion with 85,000 marines, despite BL ignoring FW for everything else they retconned it so that TSons had 80,000 marines that weren't on Prospero that absolutely everyone forgot about, including Magnus and the Emperor.

>>50604266
>Huh?

A change BL made in the newer editions of A Thousand Sons, because we can't have a story that actually makes sense now can we.

Now almost the entire Space wolves chapter, with a bunch of Custodes, Sisters and some Titans as support barely deated 10.000 of the TS, with one psychic-driven Titan. The rest of the TS are supposedly off somewhere, keeping up the appearance of still furthering the Great Crused when Prospero happend.

>>50604331
>>50604358
Post source. Plz I have to read that shit. Thats fucking hilarious.

>>50604358

Thousand Sons Legion hit like a fucking truck :^)

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>tfw you're watching animu and it has something out of 40k in it

>>50604331
>>50604358
I hope HH7 retcons that sentence about the RG being the smallest legion. Obviously the smallest ones were the ones with faulty geneseeds: the TS and the SW. If anything, the RG were only smaller momentarily because they were decimated by Gate 42

>>50604115
>I too thought it was only "knelt". Is this true?
knelt is an irregular verb
americans don't like irregular verbs
american media is far and away the most prominent globally, which skews data (and other countries) towards their methods of speaking english

It's a boring answer. Knelt is what I was taught, for whatever it's worth.

>>50604416
>americans don't like irregular verbs
Nobody likes irregular verbs, nor non-metric units for that matter :^)

>>50604358
TS were broken as shit in-fluff because in-fluff psychic powers are OP. It's a miracle that force could beat them as quick as it did.

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>>50604414
>If anything, the RG were only smaller momentarily because they were decimated by Gate 42
But thats what it says Anon?

>>50604331
>>50604358

Those other 80k marines will probably be spread across the system of Prospero and FW will have an entire campaign of the Wolves marching through it as some decide to fight back and defend their planets/stations and in the end they will break and run as Magnus takes Prospero into the warp, that allows for loyalist 1ksons and Blackshield sons like we've already been shown in the HH books.

>>50604439
I like irregular verbs.

They're part of why english is so interesting as a language.

>>50604504
>>50604358
>>50604331
Common guys someone post a source.

>>50604480
This is just an editing mistake until its actually printed that the TS were this big.

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>>50604480
>But thats what it says Anon?
Probably I posted that excerpt, and yeah that's what it says, that's why I'm saying it too.

>>50604621
We can't because they ban the use of video cameras during the seminars.

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>>50604558
All languages are interesting if you care to know the ethymology of the words, but I like romance languages more.
Fun fact, if you know both english and spanish you can understand written portuguese, at least the brazilian version. Well, maybe because it started as a variation of spanish, whatever

>>50604794
I just meant I dont see your objection. RG were larger but were reduced to 80,000. The only retcon here is the other legions numbers not the RG being a small legion. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

>>50604851
But this guy >>50604358 said this
>A change BL made in the newer editions of A Thousand Sons
Surely someone got the book or at least seen proof? Otherwise why are you all believing it?

>>50604853
You dont need English to understand Brazilian portuguese, just Spanish, I mean I speak spanish and I could understand most things in Brazil and I honestly know nothing of Portuguese.

Portuguese is just a really old version of Spanish that grew into its own thing, there's ton of similarities between medieval spanish and portuguese.

>>50604853

That image is completely wrong. GH only makes the F sound if it's the end of a word or follows ou such as in ough. "Wimmen" is not the proper pronunciation of the word "women". And "ti" only makes the "sh" sound if it's "tio" such as in "nation".

>>50604974
You don't need english, but it makes guesswork a lot easier. I know nothing of portuguese either, other than it looks like drunk spanish but I found it easier to translate than my buddies who didn't know english. We were kind of using a BR manual for a drone competition.
>>50605026
Yes, it's taking the consonants out of their context if that what you mean.

>>50602894
Shouldn't you be covering all your minis in ironbreaker, drowning them in Nuln Oil, and shit posting Bitter Legion memes?

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>>50604870
Yes, as in they used to be more, but that battle was very bad for them. This is my guess of legion numbers.

>>50605378
TS did not lose 79,000 men at Prospero Anon. Be serious please.

>>50605378
IRON WITHIN
IRON WITHOUT

>>50605409
are you even looking at the scale, you fucking idiot

They lost 78.891 men at prospero.

>>50605409
>TS did not lose 79,000 men at Prospero Anon
Eh, I should have placed the TS and SW above 100 000 in order for the TS to lose 90% of the legion and still be 10 000 survivors.

>>50605528
That makes zero sense Anon. You have shown no proof that the TS had that many marines.

They were a small legion that fought against overwhelming odds from a surprise attack on their homeworld. Thats their story in ATS and the other sources back that up.

>>50605590
people are claiming the latest edition of A Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns claims that the TS were reduced to 10,000 survivors instead of 1,300 but I have downloaded both on BL literally a few weeks ago and they both don't say it.

Not sure what's up.

>>50605660
Ive got my old book copy of ATS here.

Search for this if you got the online version

>At a conservative estimate, Ahriman guessed that just over a thousand warriors had escaped the attack of the Wulfen.

In my book it then goes on to say this

>“A tenth of the Legion,” he said. The horrifying scale of the loss staggered him.

If thats still the same then they can fuck off. If its different then lol.

Didn't Laurie say some bullshit about this, which is what kicked it all off? That he was gonna revise the TS numbers in one of his reprints?
Dunno if he did it tho, my copy is the original mass market paperback.

>>50605660
Are you busy Anon? Not demanding shit I'm just ultra curious now. I just wanna know if I should wait or not.

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>>50605684
>>50606040
Here's a screenshot

>>50606322
Cheers Anon really appreciate it. Thanks for confirming its the same.

how would you guys feel about my using the iron father model as a praetor with thunder hammer rather than axe/paragon blade

Have you guys noticed any signs on the curse of Inferno ending? I recall some clouds looking like a scorpionabout to eat the moon while fulltwo months ago.

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>>50606641
>Have you guys noticed any signs on the curse of Inferno ending?

The pain is just beginning, embrace it, endure it, love it, for it is all we will ever know from now on.

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>>50606731
But, Dorn, it has to end soon right?

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>>50606753
Maybe she took her anal virginity?

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>>50606641
>any signs on the curse of Inferno ending?

I'm sure we'll see it before Trump's second term in office. I just want legion rules and possibly an RoW or two, depending on what they affect. After that I don't give a fuck what comes out.

>>50606785
>>50606753
I had this discussion years ago in jr high school and we didn't get a conclusive answer (lesbian sex "virginity")

let it go

>>50606790
Funny, the only thing I care about for Inferno is the sooner it's published the sooner Book 8 will come.
I wish the SW and TS had wiped out each other on Prospero

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>>50606785
Hentai dialogue is the best.
>>50606790
I just want Muh Angel legions out.

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>>50606322
>The horrifying scale of the loss staggered him.
>Tfw the early IW lose 29 000 in a single campaign, then another 5000-3500 to the Decimation, then their average casualty rate becomes 55%, then they lose between 37 000 to 42 000 marines against the Hrud, then they go SW-lite on Olympia and yet there still were 12 fucking times more Iron Warriors than Thousand Sons (150 000 - 180 000)
Papa Pert, I know you like that Red brother of yours, but why is his legion so small? We had like 4 Prosperos in the Temporaferrox xenocide, and Dantioch survived and went back to fortifying.

>>50606854
Because Geneseed ya mook.

>>50606854
>We had like 4 Prosperos
Not percentage wise. And besides the TS actually liked each other.

>>50606854
Maybe Magnus is that big because he is compensating for his legion's size.

>>50606854
Because the iron warriors were one of the legions who cut the bullshit and did their jobs.

The thousand sons were a legion of artistes.

>>50606854
Because Pert refused to divulge the secret of why his geneseed was so good!

It's that extra dash of oregano and garlic Greek, er, I mean Olympian, flavor that he adds at the last second, just before the judges call for the contest to be over.

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>>50606945
>The thousand sons were a legion of fagstartes.

FTFY

If you're not in the trench you're a wench!

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>>50606968
I'll blast all of you bitter nutcases out of those trenches with this. You yellow boys can stay. You've earned those trenches.

>>50606968
But Pert and Magnus were best friends.

And Pert hated the trenches, but fought in them anyways, as he felt duty-bound to do so. He'd much rather build fortifications and trenches.

>>50606945
>who cut the bullshit and did their jobs.
Lol. Because they didnt regret that at all.

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>>50606899
Perturabo and Magnus liked each other, but their legionnaries are distrusted allies...which actually makes little sense considering both IWs and TSs had PhDs. I guess the TS simply lack that zeal the IW have that make them accept their own mortality and carry on to the bitter end, because each TS death is more valuable since they are so few to begin with.

For one I'd like it if they were Sworn Brothers, you know like Ferrus, Fulgrim and their respective legions.

In what way may I show friendship to the wizard marines?

>>50606999
Tzeentchtrips, even Kharn came to realize trenches and earthworks are damn fine. Come to our trench and let's be Sworn Brothers!
>Oooh, ooh, big wizard with the robes, what you think you're better than me?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiKE5nJXhx8

>>50606960
>Not lemonade for maximum bitterness

So close anon. So close.

>>50606945
Nah the Thousand Sons were more like hopeless nerds to curious for their own good. Like a kid who already read all the other books wandering into the adult section and coming back traumatized and scarred for life.

>>50607148
I could have said lemon, but I think that the Not!Greece twist was more appropriate.

>>50607111
>Like a kid who already read all the other books wandering into the adult section and coming back traumatized and scarred for life.
Go die in a hole where you belong trench-nigga.

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>>50607148
>>50607166
Mmmhmmm bitter with a dash of Olympian ;^)
Reverse ambrosia.

>>50607212
Quoted the wrong IW. Oh well.

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>>50607226
>Can't quote right unless a tutelarie helps him

So with all this talk about the Thousand Sons fluff I ended up looking at the timeline again to see what had changed when I noticed this.

>001.M31
>The Council of Nikaea

>004.M31
>Magnus attempts to warn the Emperor of Horus's betrayal through forbidden sorcery, damaging the Golden Throne and psychic infrastructure on Terra in the process.

What the fuck did Magnus and the Sons do for 3/4 years? ATS depicted him going straight back to Prospero then staying there. How on earth was Emps ok with this considering what he did to Lorgar?

>>50607226
Even if without the misquote, you'd still be off the mark. I still read The Silmarillion as entertainment for example.

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>>50603847
Was using this as a reference.

>>50607272
>What the fuck did Magnus and the Sons do for 3/4 years?

Sorcery.
Those bastards.

>>50607277
None of the legions like the Thousand Sons. Have you got the Alliance chart handy? From what I remember they have no sworn brothers and most of the traitor legions hated them.

Magnus is different he had a couple of friends but the way they worked as a legion was viewed as cheating and dishonourable.

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>>50607272
>What the fuck did Magnus and the Sons do for 3/4 years?

Studied the blade.

>How on earth was Emps ok with this considering what he did to Lorgar?

He... wasn't? I mean, he did send Russ to burn the place to the ground, did he not? Or do you mean why didn't the Emperor intervene to Magnus' secret study of sorcery he kept hidden from everyone and only revealed the extent of his heresy when he contacted the Emperor?

>>50607336
>the way they worked as a legion was viewed as cheating and dishonourable.

Probably more freakish than dishonourable.

>>50607336
The alliance chart is screwy though.

Hilariously, the traitor legions in canon, don't know about the alliance chart, hated the TS more than the loyalists.

>>50607317
>Council of Nikaea literally known as the trial of Magnus the Red
>Dont bother to check up on him for 4 years
>Whats the worst that could happen?
[suddenly demons]

>>50607360
> he did send Russ to burn the place to the ground, did he not?
No he didnt. Not going by the recent lore anyway. Emps wanted him arrested so he could sit on the throne. Horus just convinced Russ he wasnt worth bringing back alive. Cause Russ is pretending to be a barbarian remember?

>intervene to Magnus' secret study of sorcery he kept hidden from everyone
Its not really keeping it hidden if noone bothered to check is it? He just sat on his home planet apparently.

>>50607384
>Picked last because nobody really wanted them on the team

Man the TS fit the nerd stereotype way to well.

>>50607384
Makes sense

>>Loyalists
>Suave
>Sophisticated
>Intellectual
>Good people

>>Traitors
>Knuckle dragers
>Nigger tier
>Sub 100 IQs
>Broken subhumans

>>50607272
Well with how much the Thousand Sons their hierachy and military structure was designed around psykers, I guess they gave them some time to reorganise.
Recalling and entire legion, re-structuring the chain of command and re-assigning every psyker isn't done in a day.

>>50607400
>Not going by the recent lore anyway.

Which one? Or you mean Goldie's lore, which ignores all the sources that aren't BL, no matter how more recent they are. I seem to recall BoP using the Collected Visions version, which had the Emperor give the order.

Either way, he still sent the Wolves in numbers, with Custodes and Sisters in tow to Prospero. You really think the Emperor thought Magnus would just bend over without a fight?

>Its not really keeping it hidden if noone bothered to check is it?

Pretty sure all those cults were secret to even many on Prospero.

>He just sat on his home planet apparently.

Like father like son, eh?

>>50607450
Where does autism fit in ?

>>50607512
Traits shared by both groups are not represented as it would be redundant.

>>50607488
Emps simply should have recalled the TS to Terra and force Magnus to sit in the corner why he worked. If your not going to let the psychic legion be psykers you have to give them something to do, or keep an eye on them. Doing neither is just retarded.

>>50607503
>Which one? Or you mean Goldie's lore
Here the Wrath of Magnus intro
>The Emperor, enraged, did not listen, and banished Magnus from his sight. He then ordered Horus to unleash the Space Wolves, capture Magnus and bring him to Terra in chains. Horus instead told Russ to bring utter devastation to the Thousand Sons.
Its changed again and Russ once again gets another free pass. This time he never even gets orders from the Emperor, nevermind this makes no sense with the Custodes and SoS going with him but ok.

>You really think the Emperor thought Magnus would just bend over without a fight?
He actually did though. If Russ didnt open negotiation by destroying eveything that wasnt under a kine shield he didnt know about Prospero Maybe things would have been fine. Besides it was Ahriman who defended Prospero not Magnus.

>cults were secret to even many on Prospero.
Remember all those SW units that were sent out all over the galaxy or the custodes that went with Lorgar? Why didnt any of them go with Magnus?

>Like father like son, eh?
Seeming more and more so yes. With Ahriman being the next generation trying to fix everything but fucking it up instead.

>>50607503
>Pretty sure all those cults were secret to even many on Prospero.

Not in the old fluff, atleast. Prospero had alot of human psykers that taught Magnus we he first landed. Also other Legions sent their librarians to train with the TS, since they knew shit.

>>50607633
>nevermind this makes no sense with the Custodes and SoS going with him but ok.

Probably the Emperor with his bullshit "need to know" policies.

For this scenario he probably gave orders to defer to Russ's Judgement and assist them in anyway possible. AND DON'T SPILL THE BEANS ABOUT THE WEBWAY.

Is there any fluff reason why Ahriman is not in terminator armor?

He's a pretty big deal in the legion as the chief librarian, but he's just in regular armor. You would think that he would wear scarab occult armor.

I thought anyone who's anyone wore terminator armor?

>>50607677
>Valdor, leader of my 10,000 sons, who speaks with the authority of the Emperor himself
>And Sisters, my most elite and formidable human warriors
>Go take orders from VI for awhile
>Also ignore that warning I just got about Horus and if he tells you something make sure to do it
Dont know what else he was expecting tbqh

>>50607707
Kharn, Sev, Angron, Robutte, Corvus, Sang, Dorn, Leman, Nemean Reaver, Loken Siggy, and Garro send their regards.

>>50607707

He is the head of the Scarab Occult so he had termi armor. His 40k armor was Amon's (I think his brother) so he wears that.

>>50607707
Why don't most modern Chapter Masters in 40k wear Termi armor?

>>50607633
>Russ once again gets another free pass. This time he never even gets orders from the Emperor

Doesn't that pretty much mean Horus gave a different order from what the Emperor gave? With that logic the Custodes and SoS got a free pass as well, since they too didn't do what the Emperor told them to do. In the FW version Russ was given orders and then Horus convinced him to ignore those orders. If Emperor gives the orders to Horus, who instead gives false orders, how is Russ responsible for following the orders of the man who speaks with the Emperor's authority?

How Horus was gonna explain that he's not a traitor and cover his tracks by destroying Magnus when he deliberately disobeyed the Emperor's orders, I don't know. This is the problem when authors try to be more clever than they are. Should have just kept the version where Emperor gave the order to destroy Magnus and his legion.

>He actually did though.

You can't say that and when go "maybe things would have been fine." Unless you have proof that Magnus would have been ready to come in chains and his legion was cool with it, hostilities were to be expected. Also, Russ wasn't ordered to bring Magnus to justice, he was ordered to kill Magnus, so how is he blamed for following direct orders without knowledge of the actual orders Horus received?

>Remember all those SW units that were sent out all over the galaxy or the custodes that went with Lorgar? Why didnt any of them go with Magnus?

How does this make Prospero's warp cults common knowledge?

>>50607642
It's not secret TS have psykers. It is, however, not public knowledge even in the old fluff that they practice sorcery. It's not just your bog standard librarian stuff, it's deep warp magic stuff. That's why the Emperor was so shocked.

>>50607734
Primarchs all had their custom armor which were better than terminator armors. Kharn was just the 8th captain. No one gives a shit about 8th captains.

>>50607783
Because it's 40k and logic has eluded them

>>50607845

They like being able to Sweeping Advance

>>50607813
>Should have just kept the version where Emperor gave the order to destroy Magnus and his legion.
Without a doubt. Both this and Nikaea should be retconned back to their old stories. At this stage about half the legions broke the edict. Fucking BL.

>With that logic the Custodes and SoS got a free pass as well, since they too didn't do what the Emperor told them to do.
This is my problem with the new version of events as it makes no sense for them to be sent off without orders. Valdor was sent for gods sake. He should have known better.

> Unless you have proof that Magnus would have been ready to come in chains
Going of ATS fluff yes he was. Magnus did not fight at all on Prospero until literally the last moments. Him and his legion were offered no quarter by Russ and he couldnt handle that in the end.

>Also, Russ wasn't ordered to bring Magnus to justice, he was ordered to kill Magnus
Depends on which if the 15 different versions were going with doesnt it?

By the way if he just does what hes told by Horus why isnt it ever brought up by anyone when he comes back empty handed? should the Emperor be like wheres Magnus? Wait you did what to Prospero?

>How does this make Prospero's warp cults common knowledge?
Because the Librarius program was based of the teaching of Prospero and their cults. Along with their legion command structure so anyone who ever fought with them got to see that. Prospero also took in all who wish to learn and several time offer to let primarch come and study at Prospero.

>>50607450
>>>Loyalists
>>Suave
>>Sophisticated
>>Intellectual
>>Good people
HAVE YOU NO WOLVES?

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>>50607966
Maybe just maybe not all wolves?

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>>50607783
Didn't IH sarges wear Termie armour some time ago?
>>50607831
>No one gives a shit about 8th captains.
Kharn was the equerry and the only one to whom Angron could have the closest thing to a conversation.
The 88Eight88 captain was the highest ranking of them all because captains 1st through 7th including the old Legion Master were killed by Angron after De'Shea, as such Kharn is the most senior captain despite being the eight.

It's just that Kharn doesn't give a fuck what he's wearing. I mean, his armour is missing an arm, along all the fucks he ever gave.

>>50608057

Not missing, his muscles are simply too big to be contained by anything less than a Land Raider for more than 20 minutes at a time.

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>>50608057
>problematic hat
Kek.
>punishment for losing head
>mfw
Far be it from me to critize Imperial Command, but you can't punish a dead man.

>>50608079
>Only on one arm
Does that mean Kharn is the World Eater's Faptau?

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>>50608093
I think the Administratum once declared an entire regiment Heretics Post Mortem when they failed to arrive to a battlezone a few years after they were wipe out.
Not even in death does duty end, apparently.
I mean, that's literally what the Wall of Martyrs is all about.

>>50607966
That's implying the Wolves are people. You don't hold the family hunting dog to the same standards as warriors and gentlemen.

>>50608141
Somebody post that awoo space wolf in a box please.
Also, I'm going to catch some ZZZ, so I won't be able to make the next thread, and we're already past the bump limit.
Just saying.

>>50608129
Do the dead have rights?

>>50606854
The Ultramarines lost 60% of their Legion at Calth and they call that a big victory

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>>50608192
Not as many as they should.

>>50608057
Not anymore, since GW retconned the clans into Codex Compliancy.

Man, I think it would have been awesome to have terminator sergeants in IH squads.

>>50608247
Boooo!
Screw those GW laddies, Clan McMorragul says terminator kilts for all sergeants!

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>>50608232
That really doesn't count for people who die on the Ride.

>>50607957
Librarians might have learned about the stuff the cults learned, but that doesn't mean they get to know or practice how that info was gained. Modern med students studying treatment of hypothermia probably don't get to participate in torturing prisoners of war.

After Nikea Magnus and the cults sure as hell would have moved their study underground, while keeping the legit stuff out in public.