Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

The old Shadowseer was pretty nice.

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>>50567282

>>50567282
>GENREAL

>>50567349
How long do Kroot live for anyway?

>>50567718
Depends on what they eat.

>>50567729
What if they eat dicks.

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The Canoness with the Combi-Flamer

>>50567744
How long?

>>50567747

I hope shes in the next made to order batch, I converted mine into a combi-plasma

>>50561109

>>50567841
>no title
>old old general image
>boring discussion about Sisters which has already been discussed
I'm staying here, fight me.

>>50567841
UNTITLED SCUM

>>50567780
A bag of dicks, of all different species, ranging from the tiniest of Grotling dongs to the most massive spehss mehreen meatsocks.

>>50567841
non-titled, non-thread.

I'll believe plastic Sisters are coming when I hold them in my hand. Until then, business as usual,

>>50567909
>spehss mehreen

Contains resources necessary for multi century long lives.

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>>50567698
>gene real
no, they're not

>>50567960
>he's still in denial

>>50567282
Radical!

>>50568006
When you've been hearing rumors of plastic Sisters of Battle coming for over a decade and been disappointed for over a decade, you learn to be a bit cynical.

>>50567976
I reckon kroot would be of great interest to dark eldar. I mean, if the only thing you need to mutate them into a form you want is to feed them, the dark eldar would do some pretty fucked up shit with that. Like force-feed them dicks and see if penises sprout from their body. Or feed them some kind of hedgehog creature, but with knives for spines. Or feed them other kroot and see what happens. I imagine haemonculus would have great fun with them.

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>>50567282

This was nice, no multi parts, but looks great

Grey Knights player here.
Looking for anti-armor tactics and army list inclusions.

I'm debating between taking a Vindicare Assassin or an allied Detachment of Scions with meltaguns.

Vindicare is consistent and reliable but can only target one thing per turn and costs 150 points.

Scions can deep strike and blow something up but probably won't last very long after that.
It's 85 Points for a Scion Command and 70 Per Scion Squad. 90 points if I include two meltaguns.

The other alternative is an Imperial Knight, which is by far the most expensive option

Any advice for how to get some anti armor for Grey Knights?

>>50567282
I legitimately love that model.

People only hate it because it's not waifu cheesecake or on the other end of the spectrum, in space marine-esque armor without boobplate. It, and other Sisters, are perfectly fine as they are. Well, in need of plastic, but still.

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>>50568006
When
>>50568050
Oh

That, when almost every single year there is a rumor about SoB totally coming! With leaks, scans, photos!

And as usual nothing. Also one time only model for SoB means nothing. If that was true picture related would had mean Squats.

Yes I know stretching the logic there, but you get the point.


I just hope pre order the SoB model works for my shitty third world country. At least now GW sells to us.

>>50568149
>Sisters of battle are getting updated
Maybe we'll finally have squats again too.

>>50568149
See? This guy gets it! But yeah, a limited edition resin release of Canoness Veridian does not a plastic Sisters of Battle release make.

>>50568050
>>50568149

>being this much in denial

You can't both be Pharoah, you know.

SoB players are worse than Taufags, by far.

I'd rather deal with Riptide spam than play against some fat fuck basement dweller and his waifus

What's a good loadout for Vanguard vets with jump packs? Is a squad with them in a stormraven with an ironclad dread and a shadowstrike kill team megacheese? Especially with a skyhammer as well?

>>50568189
>squats still squatted
>still no demiurg
>absolutely no way to field dwarves as dwarves

All I want is dorfs in space. Is that so much to ask? Did the Tau playerbase's boner for battlesuits and disdain for the interspecies coalition doom the demiurg to never get models?

>>50568236
Spessdorfs are mantic now.

>>50568218
>not crushing his waifushit army
>not prioritizing wiping his infantry
>not absolutely loving the assault phase because Sisters are Sweepable Guardsmen with a 3+
It's like you want these people to be happy.

>>50568218
On which turn did SoB player table your Broken OP rapetide formation of free wraith knight wing Demi company?

Can't decide between Blood Angels and Space Wolves.

I like the blood angels appearance and lore but the space wolves just have better rules and units by far.

3++ venerable dread?! Wulfen, 2 attack space marines with counter attack, TWC spam - there's really nothing the blood angels have that is better or am I missing something?

>>50568218
I'd rather play with Sisters, but I'd hate both.

The Tau for liking Tau, and the Sisters for just being a legitimately cancerous fanbase.

Most Tau players just have bad taste or are in it for the WAAC. At least, those that I know.

>>50568218
Not all of us SoB players are basement dwelling fa/tg/uys with neck-beards...

>>50568255
>Buzzwords: The Movie: The Video Game: The Post

>>50568289
Some are loft-dwelling skeletons with hipster beards.

>>50568274
Pick _______Tau

>>50568295
I know. Just making fun of the Chaos player (I asume he is a chaos player, it would explain the bitching)

>>50568345
Well played.

There seems to be a certain segment of the fanbase (Chaosfags I'm looking at you in particular) who have a disconnect between what the rules ARE and what they should be ideally.

Chaosfags bitched for over a FUCKING DECADE for legion rules like 3.5 - they finally get them and they whine that these rules aren't the rules they wanted or aren't what they had imagined.

You cannot always get what you want.

As a Blood Angels player I am extremely envious of the Night Lords getting Raptor troops. Yes, fear is not that great against Space Marines but, guaranteed night fighting, stealth, re-rolling charges are all amazing.

>>50567349

Kroot-only supplement when

>>50568407
Chaosfags will literally never be happy because this is an edition where you NEED bullshit grade-A cheese like Gladius to make MEQ viable but most all the fun options are already taken by loyalists and giving them rules to mirror loyalists will just make both sides more unhappy.

>>50568274
Rules change, lore stays the same most of the time.

>>50568507
They want ATSKNF but it's honestly not that great of a rule, ok so they cannot be swept but if you fall back from close combat YOU WERE LOSING THE COMBAT ANYWAY.

You know what I want? CCWs on my tactical marines and +1 initiative in every round of combat but that ain't gonna happen.

>>50568582
Don't remind me of Ollanius Pius anon :^(

>>50568618
Sainthood is attained when enough people think you're worthy, anon. Ollanius Pius will always be a saint, his deeds will always be remembered, because changing canon cannot change hearts and minds.

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>>50567282
Vote for your army!

http://www.strawpoll.me/11816016

>>50568588
ATSKNF is a pretty big deal. Losing 100+ points of marines because you lost combat by one is a huge blow.

>>50568588
>>50568685
Losing a combat but being caught and remaining in combat makes for really good tarpitting too.

So how exactly does Sorcery differ from Psychic Powers?

>>50568737
It doesn't. That's why Big E banned it for everyone but him.

No one but the Black Templars listened.

>>50568737
Anyone can be a Sorcerer through ritual magic and investiture by the Ruinous Powers. Psychic powers are genetic.

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>>50568737
It doesnt. But it actually does

>>50568778
Nope. Gotta be psyker too.

>>50568818
Dude, Tzeentch can turn people into psykers.

>>50568818
But that's wrong. Anyone can be a sorcerer but you cannot just become a psyker without major warp fuckery. However, the strongest sorcerers are mostly all psykers.

It's literally a concept straight from D&D.

>>50568818
It's my understanding that sorcerous rituals could be done by anyone which is why Khornites can summon daemons.

>>50568863
To be fair, Khorne mostly outsources his Daemon summoning to the word bearers and other undivideds so he doesn't seem like a hypocrite.

>>50568659
>all these CSM players
no wonder these threads are always shit

>>50568912
It's nice to see the guard representing.

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>>50568912

>>50568858
Dose that mean i can multiclass in necron?

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>>50567282
>What Is Your Favorite Limited/Out Of Production/Out of Print Mini edition

Close second would be the Iron Hands Iron Father.

>>50568659
>five IGfags
Time for a regimental inspection, guardsmen! Show me your troops!

>>50568737
In an older Edition or two you made deals with daemons and wore flaming goat fetuses as hats(basically because Chaos is that edgy) to become a Sorcerer. Psykers were just folks who happened to be born with wonky genetics that allows them to shoot mind bullets.

So I've been looking at the new Black Legion Formations as a way to further augment my deep strike madness and mayhem chaos force, and I was wondering, the Artefacts of Chaos are still available to all Chaos Characters, right? Because slapping a dimensional key on a Chaos Lord Warlord could damn near guarantee that he kills something Turn 1, activating the key and opening up even more DS shenanigans in subsequent turns. Thinking it'd be fun, as well as nicely buffing the Helbrute Mayhem pack and all those terminators.

>>50568067

Feed them Khymaera. Now they're half warp beast. Or maybe they're dead, I don't know. They can eat warp-tainted flesh and be fine, but it's creates a weakness within them by assimilating it, and can be pulled into full mutation by warp exposure after that.

In the story where the Tau kill Slaanesh, the Kroot ate up some dead CSM or Slaaneshi cultists. They're fine, but when they come into contact with the Daemon Prince ("Slaanesh") they basically explode into warp mutation, becoming more like Daemonettes than Kroot. The Tau and remaining Kroot that didn't eat end up slaughtering them, and they burn the bodies rather than eat more.

If they really wanted to get results, they'd put a Kroot Shaper in their employ. Shapers can chew things up and determine whether their fellow Kroot should have a taste or whether they should avoid it. A Shaper interested in seeing what beneficial mutations he can feed his Kroot could willingly work with the Dark Eldar, donating and shepherding Kroot champions to fight and eat to produce not only good gladiators for Dark Eldar games, but also bioforms he can breed for battlefield use, even if they turn into dead ends like Kroot Hounds or Krootox.

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What's my Favorite Limited production/out of production Mini? Jaun Diaz Deamonettes

So for a 1000 point game how does this look?

>>50569396
Looks like you need to drop a 5 point upgrade.

So is this the general? Has anyone made a viable TSons list that didn't include Ahriman, Magnus, or Horrors yet?

Which chapter tactics should I use for Storm Wardens lads? Not made a list yet but planning on going pretty armour heavy.

>>50569359
I imagine if a haemonculus managed to isolate the gene that made kroot shapeshift they'd be able to do some terrifying things with it.

>>50569396
You can fix the points, some people will bitch about multiple MC's at 1k, other than that looks good.

>>50569396
Subtract 5 points.

>>50569421
Dunno.

Iron Hands, maybe?

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>>50567282
I'm going to build a new army, and I genuinely don't care what army it is; I like them all. Post an 1850 list for me to work towards- don't be waacfag please- and an idea for the fluff. Winner I can promise nothing but models posted down the line, painted with time-honored love and care.

Whatchu got anon

>>50567349
Kroot mercs when?
>kroot are probably capable of true FTL space travel but they don't tell the tau because they don't trust them enough

>>50569414
There are no 5 point upgrades. I had to drop a 10 point.
>>50569435
Have to use what I have, so They can bitch all they want. Besides I have a low model count so that counter balances.

>>50569429

In true grimdark fashion, he'd get it all wrong and probably get fucked over in the worst way possible.

In a universe saturated with warp taint, horrible fungal necromorph shit (Sanctuary of Wyrms), and psychic hiveminds that subsume personality, the Kroot have managed to keep themselves alive despite their ability being a vector for many kinds of insidious taint through incredible restraint and pragmatism. Giving that ability to a peoples known for their reckless lack of restraint is probably going to end badly for everyone involved.

But one thing's for sure, it would be absolutely hilarious to watch.

>>50569542
>but they don't tell the tau because they don't trust them enough.
This really isn't supported by cannon, but I do love the idea of them building up a legit alliance network that inevitably falls apart.

>>50569564
I imagine, trying to splice it with psychic power, he'd end up spread across several dimensions.

>>50569522
The Emperor's Barbeque.

HQ
-2xCompany Command Squad, 60
+Master of Ordinance, 20
+Heavy Flamer, 10
+3xFlamer, 15
Total, 105 (210)

-2xPrimaris Psykers, 50
+Mastery Level Two, 25
Total, 150

Troops
-x6Veteran Squad, 60
+Heavy Flamer, 10
+2xFlamer, 10
+Autocannon, 10
Total, 90 (540)

Dedicated Transports
-x8 Chimera, 65
+Hull Heavy Flamer, free
+Turret Heavy Flamer, free
Total, 520

Lord of War
Cerastus Knight-Acheron, 415

Complete Total, 1835


Accidentally deleted my Guard Codex when I was clearing room for things on my phone. You should remove the Psykers, Masters of Ordnances, and Autocannons. With the remaining points, add as many Hellhounds as possible. Or keep this list, because doing to former will have lists with any armor slay you.

>>50569620
>the creation of a warp-resistant yet multidimensional creature that physically exists in both reality and the warp but out of phase with both
>curbstomp both the Necrons and Slaanesh
And everything went better than expected.

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>>50569562
Forgot updated list.

>>50569643
Will Deldar, through selfish pursuit of their own entertainment, inadvertently save the galaxy? Find out next time, on Warhammer ball z

>>50569624
Adding onto the spoiler: And the Knight, for even more Hellhounds.

But fluff-wise, these guardsmen come from a death world that has a rather annoying Feral Ork population. The Orks have managed to create rudimentary firearms and vehicles, somehow, but Promethium and Autocannons kill the greenskins and the beasts populating the world easily enough.

This regiment has been sent to a similar enough world and through sheer luck, has had the blessing to fight alongside a Noble or Freeblade Knight Acheron, whose Flamestorm Cannon and Reaper Chainfist burn and tear asunder all in it's path.

>>50569620

That happens to Kroot. Without the discipline to control their newfound psychic power, they can lose themselves in a million horrific manners to the warp.

Also off the menu:
>Chaos and warp tainted, for reasons already mentioned
>Tyranids: they become part of the Hivemind

>>50568888
Nice Khornate quads.

Khorne doesn't need Sorcerers to summon his Daemons though. He just needs enough slaughter and carnage and they will appear on the battlefield. That's the whole point of Daemonkin cults.

>>50569884
Eating Tyranids also means consuming a flesh-eating disease that will eat you from the inside out, but fluff writers for the other races never bother to actually read Tyranid fluff or take that stuff into account.

>>50569884

They can also eat Necrons, but the last time it was attempted it resulted in an out break of scarab plagues.

>>50569603
The idea of Kroot deceiving the Tau is canon though. Kroot mercenary bands are kept secret from the Tau, because mercenary work is just about as far from the idea of the Greater Good as you can get.

>>50570293
>deceiving
It's established as widely known that the kroot don't always work for the Tau, and their space fleet is thoroughly described.

>>50568588
I like the morale rules from ATSKNF, I always thought it was reasonable when they immediately regroup too. But what I'm not a big fan of is not getting swept. Honestly, even Fearless not getting swept is not fun for me. Getting overwhelmed in combat by numbers/enemy skill is different from being able to stand your ground to overwhelming firepower.

>>50569936
>>50570267

This is also true. It's generally just a bad idea to eat anything in this universe. Unless it's humans. Humans are the other white meat. Wait, what's the first, Eldar? I know Kroot can eat Eldar just fine. I suppose Orks are the other green meat, or the only green meat.

>>50570501

The Tau are nominally aware of the Kroot mercenary presence, but in older fluff at least they understand that the Kroot need it to be this way so they can get enough diverse genetic material to avoid becoming stagnant.

The Tau tolerate it so long as it doesn't cross purposes with the Tau's own ends or goes against the Empire. The Kroot seem happy to do this because in return they get the Tau Empire's fleet to keep their planets and warspheres safe from Ork raiders.

>>50570508
Well since Orks are fungus, I guess that makes them the vegetarian option. QuOrk™?

>>50570536
I know, this doesn't contradict what I said?
Or are you someone else embellishing my point?

>>50570592

Embellishing mostly. That stuff's mostly in the 4e and 5e Codices, though. I haven't read 6e in a while and I haven't given 7e a look through, so I'm recalling off memory and also seeing if someone knows current fluff better.

Kroot codex when?

>tfw closest hobby shop is over an hour away
>never enough time to go there
>no friends to play with

>>50571345
When we get a Kroot suit riot.

>>50568685

That just highlights the problems of marines.

Starting Orks, anyone have any tips? I was thinking on just building the Godd killmob formation first and go from there.

Also should I paint the horde as Goffs, or Deathskulls?

Best way to kill Kharn at low point levels?

>>50571737
plasma
he's 2+ save right?

>>50571777
3+, but yeah, plasma is the option I've been looking at. I play ___Tau__ so the prospect of him getting anywhere near me is even more terrifying.

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>>50567807

I made my own

>>50568659
>only 4 ork players.
Zog it.

>>50571731
Play anything else.

>>50571777
He isn't.
>>50571737
A single krak missile will do it. That's a fusion blaster to you, Taufag.

>>50571731

Depends, Goffs are killy but deathskulls are lucky. luck comes in handy when you need to roll endless 5s/6s

>>50571791
plasma or missiles then
you could also bury him in wounds
but pray he doesn't have cultist meatshields

>>50568659
>Skitarii and Cult Mech separate

you a dumb dumb

>>50571815
Good to know, since I have fusion blasters everywhere.

... Wait, he seriously doesn't have Eternal Warrior?

>>50568659
>Main army
lol
as if I ever could make up my mind about that.
I'll just keep on buying stuff I don't have time to build and then feel miserable about it until I buy something else to cheer myself up.

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>>50561109
What are some units you guys miss from earlier versions of your army?

I miss Penal Legions, Chenkov and Sly Marbo from 5th edition. Penal Legions had to be my favorite unit because they were so derpy, but always really fun. I don't know why they would take them out to be honest. They were a gimmicky and fun unit. There's no reason not to have them. Sly Marbo and Chenkov I can understand a little more, but considering they have units like Ogryns still in the codex, I don't see the harm in having Penal Legions. Thinking about all the times outflanking with them and the few times they actually beat some Space Marines to death in combat. Good times.

Are Orks really THAT bad, or is it just a meme to shit on them. No one ever seems to have any solid reason why other than that they aren't top tier, but more than half of the armies aren't anyway.

>>50571907
Are you me? I keep bouncing around. I've been holding back on buying stuff and I got a bunch of paint. It's time to complete Guard first.

>>50571887

He does not

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>>50571887
Nope. For the record, if he DOES get to melee, he'll kill your Tau just as well as he kills everything else. There is no need to fear him especially just because you play that army.

>>50571908
I miss Kroot being relevant.

>>50571935
>>50571951
That's dumb as hell but I'll accept it.

Especially since that means I can S8 Large Blast his retinue's ass into next year and *still* drop fusion blaster shots on him.

>>50571908
Marbo being taken from the IG codex was a goddamn war crime and GW knows it. Every IG player out there made a cool conversion for him and I think my favorite thing about meeting other IG players back then was comparing Marbos. They still make the model too, there really was no good reason to remove him.

Al'Rahem and Chenkov were niche, but lots of fun too. They really gave you some unique tricks with platoons to play with. Removing both of them was a damn shame.

>>50568407
>>50568507

I'm actually pretty happy as a Night Lords fag. I fucking love jump units.

Here's a 1250 list I threw together from the other thread:

Night Lords Crusade 1249pts

Lord of the Crusade
Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Wings, Talons of Night Terror, Combat Familiar

Raptor Talon
Lord w/ Claws, Viox, and Aura
Raptors w/ Melta and Combi Melta
Raptors w/ Melta and Combi Melta
Raptors w/ Flamers and LC x2

Terminator Annihilation Force
Sorcerer with Force axe, ML3, and Combi plas
Terminators x3 w/combi plas x2 and LCx2
Terminators x3 w/ Combi plas
Terminators x3 w/ Combi plas

>>50571914
They're totally reasonable in a game full of unreasonably good stuff. They have to obey the morale rules, don't get cheap/ effective LOWs, and don't have any formations that arbitrarily ignore core rules and sucker punch the opponent. They also have no viable allies that can actually help them. Any imperial army can be a circle jerk of psyker conclaves supported by assassins, with haywire and template weapons loaded in drop pods.
The eldar and tau shooting capability, for its points, is degenerate.

>>50571983
Fuck, you're right, I forgot about Al'Rahem and what you could do with him. It's all coming back. Now I'm extra sad. I loved to have 2 platoons and take both Rahem and Chenkov.

All I can think of now is that guy saying "I can't believe you've done this". I feel so torn up.

>>50572009
Don't forget 55pt Chimeras with 5 fire points so you could do command squad drivebys with 4 plasma guns and a gunslinging plasma pistol commander, 125pt vendettas with full transport capacity, Hydras that could actually fucking shoot at ground targets, and Executioners not getting hot from shooting.

Also

Lumbering Behemoth


We were some grade A bullshit back then, but they kind of over reacted to nerfing us when the rules updated to 6th. They freaked out over leafblower and over hauled chimeras/vendettas when honestly hull points in their own right fixed the list.

That said, our orders, priests, commissars, conscripts, and non ordnance tanks are a heck of a lot better now.

>>50571929
You know I'm so bad with it, I not just started with different games, and buying stuff from all the subfactions of those games.
I even have started collecting bits for differently themed armies of the same subfaction.
I started with and Idea for IG for which I sculpted a few gasmask heads and went on to cast those in metal. Then I was hit hard by a wave of nostalgia and started collecting bits for a savlar force. Then I got into resin casting and started randomly sculpting bits from the famous regiments mentioned in the 3rd edition codex. Then I found these fishbowl helmets by Bombshell miniatures and thought about doing a Buzz Lightyear inspired drop troop army. Then I bought some Perry miniatures and converted those with IG parts, figuring 46 models a box is a great deal since they cost about the same as 10 GW minis.

I really hate myself for being like that sometimes.

And this is just with the plans I had for my IG.

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>>50571983
>>50572009
Chenkov still exists. He's just been promoted.

>>50572005
They also have a bunch of rules that actively handicap them as an army because they're REALLY fired up! Orks are shit, even among armies that are not tripping on power balls such as CSM, Dark Eldar, and perhaps even Tyranids sans Flyrants.

>>50572079
>can bring back 15 stormtroopers and a fuck ugly truck

For some reason that just doesn't replace the void in my heart where my 100 infinitely respawning conscripts used to be. Watching a necron realize to his horror that he had found the one person with more bullshit respawning tricks than him is a special memory that I'll never forget.

>>50572050
Why are you doing this? I had forgotten all I had lost in 5th. It's been so long. My heart.

>That said, our orders, priests, commissars, conscripts, and non ordnance tanks are a heck of a lot better now.
Mild joking aside, that is true. Plus we have Bullgryns now, which I'm honestly super happy for. I used to take Ogryns sometimes for fun, but they always got rump roasted. With the Bullgryn Slabshields, they are a heck of a lot tankier.

>>50572109
Agreed. Fond memories though. At the store I used to say "More meat for the grinder!" as they respawned and it caught on. They were dubbed the meat wall.

>>50572079
>that filename
Kek.
>>50572109
Who has that screencap of an Anon using Chenkov to out Nid Nids?

>>50572144
That may actually have been a story I posted a long time ago, not sure what screen cap you're talking about specifically but I remember telling a story once on here where I brought a 200+guardsmen army vs a nid player with max Tervigons and as many gaunts as he could get away with.

Also there was the time I used over a 150 SITNW conscripts to literally drown the Necron fucker that shoots lightning in bodies.

So I have a Skitarii Start Collecting and an Admech Battleforce.

What should I do with the Electropriests?

I'm pondering painting them red and calling them Vanguards

>>50572178
>time ago, not sure what screen cap you're talking about specifically but I remember telling a story once on here where I brought a 200+guardsmen army vs a nid player with max Tervigons and as many gaunts as he could get away with
That's the one!

>>50572186
Make them into electro-priests, put them on a shelf and wait until Fires of Cyraxus gives you transports to make them good.

>>50572186
They'd look weird without the armor, but you'd definitely have enough spare arms and heads to make them that if you used the proper skitarii kit as rangers.

>>50572196
didn't realize anybody screen capped that. I'll wait a bit and see if anyone posts it. If not I may recap it if you guys want.

>>50572178
Yesss. Those were the moments. Bodies versus bodies, a huge mess of counting and rolling, and such long games because of so many goddamn models.

>>50569542
Kroot do have warp travel, but it probably came about from eating Ork meks and they don't really understand it. Their warspheres are basically warp-capable cities that they crash onto planets they want to live on.

>>50571737
Throw a brick at him.

>>50569620
I actually have a Kroot counts-as-Culexus in my roster. Ethereal experimentation.

>>50570508
Orkz are actually probably the main genetic component of most Kroot, since the Tau saved them from an Ork invasion on their homeworld and the Kroot don't really understand why their own ships work (Much like a Mek...)

>>50571951
My tau shot him down to 1 wound, the breachers managed to survive a round of combat with him, and then they killed him.

>>50567282
Fluffing out my Tau army for a narrative tournament. Who's interested in hearing about them?

>>50572266

It's outright stated that Kroot technology is taken directly from Orkoid genetic knowledge. They themselves keep their tech secretive, but don't balk at the Tau's offer to sell them more effective weapons as a part of the terms of their membership to the Empire.

>>50572299
Sure.

>>50572299
>narrative
>tournament
In addition to that you should also explain how you managed to use both of those words in the same sentence. I'm actually interested in how such a thing would work.

Why the hate for Tau? They look fantastic, especially all their mechs.

>>50572404
The mechs are the worst looking of the bunch.

Stealth suits are cool, Ghostkeels pretty alright. Crisis/Riptides and the retarded Stormsurge are all ugly as fuck.

Their hovertanks, drones, flyers and line infantry are all boss and it's a shame you don't see more of those because of all the pandering to 12 year olds with WOAH BIG ANIMU ROBOTS.

>>50572404
>guaranteed replies
LURK MORE

>>50572404
>i maek gunrine

>>50572321
>>50572330

>narrative tournament
Over the course of the day, everyone plays several battles with one unchanging 1500 point list and one Kill Team list. The story will develop as wins and losses happen.

I played in a campaign at the beginning of the year, and initially fluffed out my Tau as a Star Trek TOS style "Five Year Mission." Constantly complaining but effective medical chief, headstrong captain, and a military force a bit more competent than the average redshirt. A good mix of well-known war heroes for the Empire to celebrate, and a lot of fresh recruits. During the campaign, one of the heroes died, and a Fire Warrior Shas'ui did very well for himself. Held the line in a Kill Team game even when the Crisis Shas'vre broke and ran, and never lost his wound. He earned his battlesuit commission for his performance and is now a Y'vahra pilot.

During and after the campaign, my army performed very well against the forces of Chaos. Like, exceptionally well. Seized the initiative against nurgleites and destroyed both their rhinos in turn one, scattered two frag projectors 7+ inches onto the warlord for the kill. Destroyed a land raider turn 1 with a piranha -the sole melta in the list- while jinking, and killed Kharn in combat with a breacher team.

So the "Five Year Mission" is just a cover. Sure, they are doing some exploration where they can, building relationships with newly discovered Xenos races, securing mineral deposits. But they're really the Ethereal's special Chaos-fighting forces. The rest of the Empire doesn't know. Many of the recruits don't even know, but they've still been conditioned for it mentally. And there is a room hidden in the bulkhead, as some of the fire warriors suspect. That's where the Pariah is kept. The Kroot Blank.

>>50572404
Don't pay attention too much to it. Sounds like a bunch of old grognards. Some of the tabletop gripes are valid, as we're capable of some stupid shit. But if you stick to 1 Riptide at 1250-2k(2+ afterward) , 1 Stormsurge at 1500-2250(2+afterward), or 1 of each from 1500-2250 you SHOULDN'T get too much hate unless you're going against total spergs like the Anti-Taufags that frequent the general.

>>50572513

That's pretty interesting, a true emergent narrative in the spirit of Forging a Narrative™ as GW likes to say.

How have the other players fared, or fluffed with their own narratives?

>>50572513
>Kroot blank
holy shit I want this so much

>>50572555
This tournament's not for a while yet, and I'm not sure who'll be playing.

In the previous campaign, we had an Ultramarines player whose guys were on a crusade after consorting with xenos and possibly ruinous powers. I think the librarian behind it was able to atone as they ended up winning every battle they were in (they destroyed me in Zone Mortalis, but what would you expect?).

The Inquisition + Elysians player managed to rescue a lot of psykers from a crashed Black Ship (which was the object of the campaign) but one of his main inquisitors died to the Nurgleites during the retreat from the self-destructing ship.

The Enclaves player, whose world it was, managed to keep the world as the marines, nurgleites, and elysians were too bloodied to try and occupy it, but suffered very heavy losses and his Zapp Brannigan-esque commander was taken off active duty.

Not sure how the nurgleites fared. They killed a lot of stuff and that's probably what they wanted.

>>50572532
I don't understand why anyone would ever bring more than 2 riptides or Stormsurges to a game.

>>50572610

That's all very cool. I like how each has their own neat story behind it. I also like the redemption story behind the Ultras, and the Inquisition/Elysian player has a great story of noble sacrifice.

>>50572577
I haven't actually converted it yet, but I will. I was working on a Tau one, but I'm thinking he might be an Eversor instead. Doesn't really fit though, but I'm open to suggestion - he has Pathfiner armor, part of a crisis suit head welded into his, and is holding a grenade and an underslung "ray gun" with one of the crisis suit shoulder attachments on the front.

>>50567282
The old squigs from '97

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>>50571914
Orks as an army has remained relatively unchanged over the ages, and this has hurt it as the game moved on. Now, everyone and their pet ducks have large S6 blasts with AP, Monstrous creatures that can't be killed without a Klaw, and Superheavies and Lords of Wars that can Stomp the endless masses of Orks as they use low AP weaponry combined with Orkz having nothing that's not open-topped to explode every vehicle against them.

The Ork Boy as a model is still fucking good. For 6 points, you get 4 S4 attacks on the charge. Yes, they're slow, but while a Space Marine can kill 0.21 Orks at a higher initiative, your Orks can bury them in 0.33 wounds per model, at less than half the cost per model.
What they do to poorly armored targets is, frankly, disgusting. Anything with AV 10 will be glanced to death by 5 Orks, taking out a 125 point tank for 30 points.

However, the game evolved past them. Everything else now has much, much better shooting, and assault armies can do things like assault out of reserves, teleport across the field, and just plain be tough enough to take it.
And to help Orkz along the way, 7th edition Ork codex took away their methods of delivering boyz to melee. Now Trukks are a deathtrap, and Mobs will kill their own Orks for the enemy.

It's a hard life.

Older horror models

>>50572719

Eversor, how would that work?

You could also go Culexus:
https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/greater-good/greater-good-spectre-assassin/

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>>50572642
WAACfags. You don't hear the Tau horror stories do you? They exist for a reason.

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>>50572610
...
Anon, I invoke the power of 4chan to charge you with recording as much of this in a battle report as possible. You will then provide these to /tg/. If there are battle reports of the early campaign, you will provide those, as well.

A fun, narrative tournament is too precious a thing to be allowed to go unstudied. Imagine the possibilities.

>>50572836
I second this. Please record.

>>50567960
You don't think they'll make a plastic Battle Sisters squad when they kill off SoB as an independent codex?

>>50572836
>>50572852

A third. Take pictures and notes. However, don't let the duty of recording come in the way of forging that narrative, or interfere with your retellings.

Apparently the alpha legion rule that adds cultists to ongoing reserves when they die and a 4+ is rolled stacks with the lost and the damned rule that does the same.

So on a 4+, you add 2 identical units to ongoing reserves.

Heil Hydra indeed.

>>50572920
You roll twice, and each roll of 4+ adds a cultist unit. Until FAQ'd, maybe.

>>50572920

Yeah pretty sure that's not intended and isn't going to stick around.

Why the hell do people do all these mental gymnastics to fuck with the rules. If people didn't try to bend the rules so much this game would be a lot more enjoyable.

>>50572790
As I said, he was originally going to be a Culexus, but I think a Kroot fits better so that's what I'm going to do. Eversor I figured was the next closest, with a grenade and being heavily armed (Now I remember - it was a Tau plasma rifle with the barrel removed and the radar dish-looking crisis suit accesory bit).

>>50572836
>>50572852
>>50572905
I'll do what I can. Might be able to grab the batreps from the last campaign's google drive, I'll check after I take a walk.

>>50572978
How is it mental gymnastics? It seems like a fairly obvious ruling to me, no more imbalanced than allowing summoning, and incredibly flavorful.

>>50567282
What do people think of this change to ATSKNF

Instead of ignoring fear checks a model with ATSKNF instead gains +1 ld to a max 10 when taking a fear check.

So, does anyone here design their own chapter or do you use one of the existing chapters? Does anyone here have that PDF that lists all of the different perks the different chapters have?

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>>50573036
Have this.

>>50573027
The mental gymnastics part is the roll two 4+ and get two units back.
At best you can argue you get two chances to bring the single unit back, and if you pass both attempts nothing extra happens you still only get the one unit back.

>>50573028
There's nothing wrong with ignoring regular fear, Space Marines shouldn't be scared of Night Lords and Dark Eldar whatevers. The only thing that's really bullshit here is every other special attack actually having "doesn't work against ATSKNF" in it, since psychic fuckery is the one thing that should be able to fuck up a space marine.

>>50573065
You don't get the unit back. The rules create new units.

>>50573089
The idea was that those immunities would also be removed for the +1 ld

>>50573065
Normally I take your stance on things, whereby if someone has to do weird mental gymnastics to make a broken thing work it's probably not intended.

However, in this instance, if the rule does NOT work that way, then it actually does NOTHING, and in my view arguing that a rule exists for no purpose is actually the mental gymnastics route.

The problem with saying "you get two chances to bring back the one unit and if you succeed at both you still just get one" is that the wording doesn't make any sense in that case. If that were true, the rule would just be "you can re-roll the dice to get back units of cultists that were destroyed".

>>50567282
So when I last played, if you moved 6 inches and fired Rapid Fire weapons, you only could fire once at half range. Reading the rules now it just mentions that you can fire twice at half range or once at full range, but it doesn't say anything about movement. Can I move 6 inches and fire 24 inches once with my Guardsmen's Lasguns? And if yes, are they Snap Shots?

>>50573155
Jesus when did you play last, 4th ed?

Yeah movement no longer factors into Rapid Fire at all. It's just 1 shot at full range and 2 at half, period.

>>50573165
Him and me both.
fifth was about to come out and Grey Knights just got a new Codex. What's happened?

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>>50568659
You surprise me /tg/. Based solely on the armies that get discussed most often here I thought Chaos Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, or Tau would be the number one army played among us, yet the numbers say Imperial Guard!

Why is the guard discussed so little if there are so many of us?

>>50573165
That's really awesome to hear. That makes Plasma Guns a bit more appealing. I'm also really happy to hear that you can fire Heavy weapons on the move, even if they are only Snap Shots.

Yeah I played in 3rd, some 4th and some in 5th, but all the editions rules are sort of getting mixed up in my head.

>>50573201
I was thinking the same thing. I've brought up multiple things about the Guard, army lists, and tactics about their units and lesser used units and it's rare that I even get responses. Instead all I see are talk about CSM and other marine armies.

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>>50573192
Should we tell him?

>>50573155
>>50573165

"Salvo" is the new Rapid Fire; the fewer shots and half-range when moving, the more shots and full range when stationary.

>>50573227
So like a Psycannon?

I'm going to have to buy this rulebook aren't it?

>>50573201
Because the Guard are mostly fine. They're balanced, and nice. The only problem with Guard is that they need a new codex and new models. That's literally it, just a couple in-codex changes and new models are all that's wanted.

You can run them in all sorts of ways, and that's cool. Soviet conscript horde, soviet tank horde, american armored cavalry, etc.

>>50573064
Thanks man. Would you recomend going through the trouble of designing your own or just using a cannon one? I've been trying to find info on the play styles of the different chapters and their chapter perks. I used to have a PDF on the different chapter perks and their playstyles.

>>50573192
>What's happened?
Oh boy, where do I even start?

Flyers, Super-Heavies, Formations, psychic powers have their own phase, you get to shoot snap shots at things when they charge you.... it's a completely new game compared to 4e.

>>50573243

Or download it. Check the OP for links.

>>50573192
>>50573204
We're in 7e right now.

Anons, you're in the future. Things you thought that would never happen happened. Fantasy was replaced, the Adeptus Mechanicus have an army, the Horus Heresy is an official game now, GENESTEALER CULTS have an army, Imperial Knights and legit Warlord Titans are here!

>>50573243
They're getting cheaper now since paperback versions come with the killteam and death masque boxes. They're on ebay for less than $20

>>50573245
>and new models
they honestly don't need that much

Like, a couple HQ-ish models (priests need a new sculpt, for sure), some rough riders.. and you're basically set. Unless you want to re-do the old cadian and even older catachan infantry squads. Or possibly a veteran kit. I know I'd be down for plastic vets.

>>50573255

SM Codex covers the Chapter Tactics, as they're called now. Forge World also offers some new ones as well, though they're less powerful.

Ultimately, figure out what you want for them and then find the rules that fit best, or decide which rules you like best and build yourself a successor Chapter.

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>>50568659
>DE in a 3 way tie for 3rd

>>50573326
Thanks anon. I haven't played since a little bit of forest automatically blocked line of sight and the catachans had their own codex.

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>>50573201

Probably because we aren't nine whole fromageries worth of cheese, but we aren't rancid dog shit. So nobody whines about us (unless they suck), and we don't whine about us (apart from nostalgia).

>>50568659
>tfw only 5 Dark Angels
B-but, I thought we were definitely not legion, brothers?

>>50573348
Something tells me /tg/ does not represent the actual meta of the game...

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wizard with a G.D. CHAIN SWORD!

>>50573320
Tbqh I'd love for a FW like revamp of the entire IG model line. I want Cadians who aren't as huge as Space Marines.

>>50573375

Oh my...

Well, let me tell you things have changed quite a bit, and many would say for the worse. Still, check it out and see what you think of it. Regardless of any opinions on my end, it's certainly very different.

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Back when fantasy didn't suck.

>>50573201
>143 votes
>Only 4 for C:SM
>That's only 2.8%
I'm calling bullshit on this poll. No way /tg/'s demographics deviate that far from the general population of 40K players.

>>50573434
The problem is they asked for "main" not all armies owned

>>50573317
Yeah I've spent the past 7 days catching up on everything. It's so different and amazing to be honest. Things I always wanted are now here. Not a big fan of the super heavies or gargantuan things though. I stayed away from apoc for a reason and now that shit is here. Also not a fan of some of the OP shit from 5th Guard that is gone, but I like a lot of things.

I've mentioned it before in a few threads, but my dream of better Ogryns have been realized in the form of Bullgryns. I always loved Ogryns and wanted them to not only look cooler, but also to have tougher armor and I got my wish. So I'm pretty stoked about that. Now all that is left is to recreate my Guard bomb melee unit like I had in 5th with Straken, Nork and Yarrick. Add in some Bullgryns, Conscripts, Guard blobs and I'm set to enjoy some silliness.

Though these new Rapid Fire rules make my shotgun vets not as useful.

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>>50573434
>Only 4 for CSM
Yeah, no, there's WAAAY too many CSM whiner babbies on here for there to be 4.

>>50573462
This.

Lots of people play Space Marines, but lots of people only play SM on the side and consider something else their true main force.

>>50573462
I think most 40k players own at least a handful of Marines, but far fewer actually play them.

>>50573468
That color on them is great. They look like Guyvers.

>>50573434
>>50573462
I would enjoy seeing the same sample polled on what armies they own for this reason. Everyone has space marines of some flavor in their closet.

>>50573462
So everyone just keeps an army of Space Marines around to actually play with and leaves their "main" army at home?

>>50573485
Codex: Space Marines, senpai.

>>50573464
I myself enjoy the Lords of War like Knights and Baneblades, but they don't belong in games of less than 1500, and even then, I'd be wary of it.

Hey, just remember that Shotguns are Assault 2, which means that you can fire and charge in the same turn, which you can't do with Rapid Fire weapons. So if you still want to do melee, you have that.

>>50573498
it was called Jade Green and GW discontinued it about 2004?

>>50573503
No it's more like most people started with Space Marines and still own some but play something else now.

>>50573464
>melee
Should we tell him? I think we should tell him.

>>50573517
Reading comprehension is not my strong suit, it seems.

>>50573503
I never bought the meme that most people playing in stores are bringing SM. I've been in three/four different metas and they were NEVER ONCE the most popular army.

>22 votes for Chaos Marines
I'm willing to bet that number would have been a lot lower if this were asked before Traitor Legions was leaked.

>>50573537
True, but assaulting with Vets was never a great idea. Even when I had 5ths Furious Charge and I went at the same time as Marines it still ended badly.

>>50573556
Is it even worse than before? My Guard bomb unit was always more of a fun unit than effective. From what I can tell, Furious Charge is no longer +1 S and I, just +1 S so that's disappointing as I can't bum rush Marines anymore and die at the same time. I also assume you can no longer hide 5 power weapons in a huge blob of Guardsmen and have to kill 45 before you get to them.

The Guard remains in first place. I'm shocked.

>>50568274
I'm always going to tell you to pick Blood Angels. That being said, rules always change. BA were scary as hell in 5th edition. If you are wondering what should help you decide which one to pick, then pick the one who's color scheme you can look at indefinitely and not get sick of. You are goingto spend hours assembling, painting, and gaming with your army- pick the one you feel is worth the effort.

>>50573606
>>50573608
One list doesn't have Imp Knights and the other has it twice I sense a conspiracy

>>50573606
Uhhhh. You don't have CSM.

>>50573564
Strange, that's always what I've heard, and it's been my personal experience as well. My Sisters and another guy's Imperial Knights are the only lower-tier armies in my meta. It's all Space Marines (especially Skyhammers and Battle Companies), Eldar, Tau, and a guy that plays Necrons.

>>50573606
>>50573608
I wonder if Militarum Tempestus gets listed if that will divide from guard. I personally have valks and storm troopers and use them purely as MT.

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>>50573664
>>50573650
I'll put this one back up as it has more armies listed.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11817996

>>50568407
Didn't blood angels have a whole edition with assault marines as troops?

>>50568274

Blood Angels are the DA of this edition of 40k; released just before the ultramarine dex, they are a "test army" used to test out "radical" new rules (see the DA with their combat squads as an example).

Go yifd anon, it's the only way.

>>50573608
Stop separating Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii you fucking shits

>>50573702
A lot of people only play Skitarii and don't like the Cult Mech stuff.

Not sure if it's ever the other way around, though.

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>>50573005
Several of the Wargame Exclusive minis can easily be used as assassin replacements.

A kroot would make a better culexus than a Tau, though.
Your could also always try to convert a bear with a tzeentch disc and call it a nicassar, or try any other conversion.

>I'll do what I can. Might be able to grab the batreps from the last campaign's google drive, I'll check after I take a walk.
I understand anon. Good luck in your mission. Tau'va.

>>50573692
How is it that more people own IG then Space Marines? I don't get it. I'm the only one in my seven person group with IG, but five of the others own at least a few Space Marines.

>>50571737
Meltagun

>>50573738
It is almost like this image board isn't made up of the same people who you personally play with.

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>>50573544

>tfw started with Soroitas and pic related was the scheme I used waay back around the dawn of 4th edition
>started tzeentch daemons in 5th
>picked up some Deldar 6 months ago
>currently working on making my HH boxes into Night Lords

>>50573738
At my store I can name 3 guard players and 2 SM off the top of my head. More Chaos than anything else by far.

>>50571887
You don't know much about the chaos dex....

>>50571908
I miss proper greater demons that possessed a character in the army to appear

>>50573697
Well yeah that's their thing. Red things go faster the army. You mean they DON'T now? What the hell!

>>50573782
I miss that too.

>>50573692
I wish there were a way to differentiate who said what. I own GK, DE, and Tau, but my answer could be taken as 1 person per army instead of 1 for all 3.

>want to run both a Termi Librarian and Termi Interrogator Chaplain with Deathwing Bodyguard in a LR
>Realize that Land Raider Redeemers only have 12 Carrying capacity
Sadness.

>>50573855
Land Raider Crusader, friend. 16 model capacity.
Or do DA not have access to it?

>>50573855
Isn't that what LR Crusaders are made for?

>>50573589
Still would have had my vote

>>50573876
>>50573879
But I like the Redeemer better. The Flamestorm cannons are cooler.

>>50573876
>>50573879
>>50573921
Man, Termi-Librarians and Termi-Chaplains sound fluffy together too.

If the Crusader could take the Flamestorm cannons, I'd be so happy. Hurricane bolters are cool, but giant flamethrowers are far cooler.

>>50570501
Nope.

"The Kroot have no deeply held prejudices against any particular alien races and give little or no thought to who they fight, only that they are paid. This practice is entirely at odds with the Greater Good, and so the Kroot keep knowledge of it from the Tau, itinerant Mercenary Kindreds avoiding contact with the Tau forces."

Straight from the 4e codex.

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>>50573974

I think the crusader is the cooler varient. Your opinion is invalid

>>50573992
>Uses a SoB reaction image
>Prefers the not-S6 AP3 Flamer variant
What a loser.

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>tfw Australia
>was thinking about getting back into 40k
>(havent played since mid 2000)
>want to start a blood angels army
>go to wayland games
>see some tacticals for a reasonable $35 AUD
>oh good, prices haven't increased that much since I last played
>used to buy them from wayland at $21 AUD a box
>find out that 40k has an embargo
>I can only buy locally
>go to gw australia store
>same squad of tacticals are $70 AUD
>used to pay $21, now forced to pay $70
>pic related, my face
why the fuck am I being charged double for literally nothing? and inb4 muh wages and muh gw stores rent, i've literally never been in a gw store my entire life, id rather they all be bulldozed and the embargo lifted than pay those prices.
so question to fellow aussies is there a way to get around this fuckery?
or do you all just buy locally?
if so how do you honestly tolerate this blatant price gouging?

>>50567282
So... where is the basic chaos space marine codex in the mediafire?

Because I can find all the other codexes, even the supplements for chaos, but nothing shows up as the generic codex.

I got some BaC guys I picked up that I'm wanting to turn into Alpha Legion and don't really know how to make chosen units and all the other units.

What causes WAAC players?

Is it just an arms race to make the meanest list possible?

Why can't we incentivize narratives and fluff over WAAC?
It seems like it only takes one guy to ruin a local scene.

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>>50574019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJJ8zbdVIiI

>>50574072
cheers cobber, I'll check it out

So SoB players are basement dwelling neckbeards with waifu armies and therefore cancer.

Tau are WAACfags and weebs and also cancer.

Chaosfags are whiny bitches who can never be pleased and edgelord teenagers.

Space wolves are closet furries who wolfwolfwolf their yiff yiff

What armies does /tg/ actually approve of, and why?

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>>50574019
It's GW's way of saying aussies aren't wanted, m8

>>50573604
Assaulting a unit with more than one template is basically a death sentence. Even without any templates, count on losing a guy or two to overwatch attacks. Unless it's a Tau player you're assaulting, in which case you shouldn't even bother playing in the first place.

Of course, this is assuming you actually make it into assault range, which is highly unlikely unless you've got a Land Raider taxi. Which they can't start inside of.

>>50574110
Imperial Guard. No one ever complains about them.

>>50574110
IG, Crons, Dark Eldar, Orks (of course), Dark Angels, Space Marines, and Nids

>>50574110
Everyone loves Guard cuz they're manly as fuck.

A lot of people like Tyranids because they're pure distilled badassery without any m-muh power fantasy or mary sue/waifu faggotry elements.

Orks because they're just funny.

AdMech because OMNISSIAH VULT and also while being a strong list with War Convo they take brains to use effectively.

There are exceptions to every rule but I think those 4 are generally well-liked by the majority.

>>50574066
Well at the games' core, 40k is a strategy game about defeating another human opponent. It's human nature to be competitive and some are clearly more than others. It gets messy because this game is also a multi-faceted hobby that encourages creativity and themes for your army. So you get the huge divide between min maxers and people just out there to play an army they love and put a lot of creative effort into.

I'm not sure how we would push narratives and fluff over WAAC unless there was some kind of tournament where you were not only judged on game victories, but your army's theme and presentation as well. That would be tough because half the tournament would be objective and the other half would be subjective. It would be easy to call the whole thing BS.

The solution to fighting off a guy who plays WAAC is not playing with him. If he complains, you create games with limits to certain units that are deemed overpowered. If you just give him his own limitations, he will feel targeted and likely get upset. Unwritten store wide bans and limits are nice too, unless people agree that WAAC lists/banned units are acceptable.

>>50574019
Funny, I'm an aussie who's just now getting back into 40k after not playing for years too. Gonna play eldar though, I've always had a soft spot for space elves, and I don't wanna start another marine army.

As for your questions, you can get small discounts if you buy through your local third party stores, or from a couple of webstores (the combat company is probably the biggest of those).

Otherwise, like the other anon pointed out, there's always china. I personally just ordered a bundle of eldar off one of the chinamen, even with me shelling out for a good $50 in express postage, I still got everything for less than half the games workshop price.

Dunno what the quality will be like until it gets here, but I ordered some stuff from the same guy many years ago and everything was good.

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>>50574110

The Radicult are the best

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>>50573992
>not filling a crusade with repentia, priest, and canoness

>>50574173
You forgot Dark Eldar because no one plays them and they are 40k on insane difficulty mode.

Is this a good 1k list? Using only BaC and a Dreadnought, plus FW plasma cannons for the tacs. I want to work my way up to 1500, 1850, and then 2k.

HQ
-Interrogator Chaplain, 110
+Plasma Pistol, 15
Total, 135

Troops
-3x Tactical Squad, 70
+5 marines, 70
+Veteran Sergeant, 10
+Plasma Pistol, 15
+Power Sword, 15
+Plasma Gun, 15
+Plasma Cannon, 15
Total, 210 (630)

Elites
-Venerable Dreadnought, 125
+Plasma Cannon, 5
+Heavy Flamer, 10
+Extra Armor, 10
Total, 150

Total, 915

>>50574162
Why space marines?

>>50574244
Because they are the baseline army, nearly everyone has at least one SM army and they actually are a pretty fun and tactical army outside of bike spam.

>>50574201
>I'm not sure how we would push narratives and fluff over WAAC unless there was some kind of tournament where you were not only judged on game victories, but your army's theme and presentation as well.
The solution would be if the rules were written such that the most effective and powerful lists were the ones that stuck closest to the fluff.

>>50574273
Limiting certain units to 0-1 would help.

>>50574223
I almost mentioned them, yeah. Some people do find them overly unironically edgy, though. At least Admech and Guard edge come with heavy doses of satire.

>>50574019

I got into it after a long hiatus last June, and discovered the same problem. I managed to get around $1900 AUD of Space Marines/Inquisition/Grey Knights for $1350. Third party, nigga.

Having said that, the order took 6 fucking weeks to arrive (despite it being in Canberra and me in Sydney - 3 hours drive to their store from my door), and right after that the company stopped supplying Games Workshop products because too many people were complaining about 8-10 week order turnaround times, and the owner was extremely lax in processing refunds, to the point of being taken to PayPal's refund board/the consumer ombudsman.

There's still a few smaller outlets around, but honestly, you're going to be spreading any order across like 2-3 stores, and Ebay, to get 25% off. To my knowledge, one store does 15%, a few do 10%, and 5% is piss easy to come by.

Is the model in OP the Limited Edition Canoness I've heard about?

>>50570540
They are part fungus, algae and animal.

>reading Master of Mankind
>Emperor literally does a
>"Pssh, nothing personell, kid"
>move on daemons

Wew. I'd like some art of that. Shame ADB went full retard grimderp and basically went "LOL HUMANITY LOSES IT'S ALL OVER AND 40K IS ALL ABOUT HUMANITY LOSING AND FIGHTING ITSELF". Fuck that. That's really boring. We had Chaos win in WHFB (then again that was always the plan) and now it's cemented in 40k? That just irritates me, and doing an 'Afterword' of going "LOL NOT EVERYBODY WILL LIKE THIS LOL, SORRY BOUT THAT" and then goes on to go "Oh yeah I like Chaos the best" just makes me think he's writing his own personal fanwank. His only redeeming feature is he makes Blood Angels cool.

>>50574066

I love Wych Cults and would love to have an army of wyches zooming around.

However, wyches are shitty, and no amount of narrative play will prevent my wyches from exploding the moment anything looks at them funny. There is nothing fun about a game where I put my favorite unit on the table and then remove it without it doing anything.

I change my list to whatever works because I can't use my favorite unit anyway, I might as well as least make something with a fighting chance. That fighting chance starts to feel good after winning a game or two.

Yay!

Now, I can see various things working in my army and others that aren't, so I change them and start to win more. Winning more generally feels better than not winning ever.

More changes are made, and the next thing you know, my double SS Riptide wing is undefeated because you need to learn how to play better and stop complaining, noob.

>>50567282
I'm very eager to learn and play this game after a large break. I want to go to the store, but I want to make sure my army is painted before I go. I know it's not necessary, but I want to do it. What is a good point size to learn the game at without having to paint too many things? Would 750 be a good size? Is the game even fun at 500 points? 1000 might be okay.

>>50574297
>>50574019

Also, I did a split order from China for an Imperial Knight Crusader/Land Raider Redeemer. I have to say I was completely underwhelmed. China may be cheap, but you've got to be careful of several things:

- The resin is absolutely cancerous, you can't breathe that shit in or even be around it and cut/file it without a mask and gloves.

- Your mileage on quality may vary. Sure, it can be like 50% cheaper as one anon said, and most of the time you'll be fine with only minor warping and loss of detail, but sometimes (especially on larger models where all the pieces have to fit together perfectly - Deredeos, Knights, etc) the warping will make it absolutely impossible to fit together certain models without cutting them to shreds - in which case, why not just go with one of the 3rd party stores?

I was spoilt after my old GW 50% discount and didn't want to go back to paying full retail, but that's just how it is unfortunately.

>>50574235
If your after fluffy and fun then hells yeah this is a good list. If competitive it could use some work

>>50573725
>>50572905
>>50572852
>>50572836

I had a "search and rescue" mission against the Elysian player, both sides looking to recover pilots and flight data after a midair collision. It was probably my second real game. I managed to shoot down two Valkyries using Early Warning Override on my broadsides and riptide, and killed everything riding in them except an Ordos Xenos, and I later shot down either the Vendetta or that one with the rending gatling gun. In return, they killed every last one of my broadsides and their Ordos Malleus inquisitor rolled a 6 on Perils and punched a hole right through my Riptide. Game ended up a draw over objectives.

>>50574304
Yeah it is, just checked.

>Verydian

Same as a fucking Knight Household. Why are GW so unable to think up unique names any more? Amount of times I've seen 'Carnac' or similar is mind blowing. ORIGINALITY PLEASE.

>>50574343

Smaller points games are best points games imho.

750-1250 is the sweet spot, and my old store almost exclusively played 1000 points. Our area even had a HUGE 1000 point tournament bi-annually.

>>50571731
>Goff Killmob
As a fellow Ork.
DON'T.
Worst formation in the game.
You are stuck with
Garbage tier gorkanaughts
20 strong boyz units
Forved Dredds and Kans.
Forced Nobs (no option to substitute for meganobz)

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>>50574386
>1000

>>50574403

Absolute cancer, what the fuck

>>50574369
100% after fluffyness! Kind of sad that other than a Land Raider I'd be unable to put the chaplain in with the tacs in a vehicle. Also, I just realized that I could fit in TWO land raiders and command squads and termi HQs at 1850!

Just made this list.

1850 Cool Fluffy Dark Angels list!

HQ
-Terminator Chaplain, 140
-Terminator Librarian, 90
Total, 230

Troops
-3x Tactical Squad, 70
+5 marines, 70
+Veteran Sergeant, 10
+Plasma Pistol, 15
+Power Sword, 15
+Plasma Gun, 15
+Plasma Cannon, 15
Total, 210 (630)

Elites
2x Deathwing Command Squad, 200
+Champion, 5
+Apothecary, 5
+Plasma Cannon, 15
Total, 235 (470)

Dedicated Transports
2xLand Raider Redeemer, 240
+Multi-Melta, 10
Total, 250 (500)

Complete Total, 1830

Should I try and trim points to get in Rhinos for the tacs, or is footslogging them okay?

>>50574411
My point is that 1000 is a dangerous point limit for bullshit like that.

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>>50568659
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11816016
>blood angels have their own choice
>dark angels have their own choice
>space wolves have their own choice
>Templars are mixed in with fucking space marines

there is no curse in eldar, tau, or the tongues of the imperium for this heresy

>>50574411

Problem, gue'la?

>>50574435
You're part of Codex: Space marine now. I'm sorry. Get over it.

>>50574435
Thing is, BA are one of their best sellers ever. So good they produce their own unique Tacticals, Devs and Terminators and release 2 board games with them.

Black Templars need to be popular to get that kind of love. Though the lack of Relics for them and Crimson Fists in Angels of Death was something even I couldn't condone. Maybe it means they'll get a Successors of the Imperial Fists codex or something? Shrug.

>>50574386
Sounds good. I'll try to aim for 750-1000 if I can. I have 3 Chimeras and about 30 Guardsmen painted. I've been wanting to change my color scheme, but I guess it's okay as long as they are painted. I can always start going back over or possibly make these 30 Conscripts and keep them the same color.

I've been debating my HQ. I have a Yarrick model, and I'm tempted to throw him in. I feel like a lower point game he will be harder to kill. Except if I run into something like this >>50574403 which is possible if there's someone in the store looking for a nooby stomping.

>>50574403
>>50574434

No one is forced to play against that, so it's largely irrelevant.

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>>50574427
Oh crap. Just realized that I forgot to add in the dreadnought to that list.

Now I'm sad again. That would make it 1980. Which means that I couldn't mechanize the tacs at 2k either.

Dang it.

>>50574512
If it's the tournament, yes they are. Or they concede the game and lose anyway.

The guy said bi-annual 1000 point tournament, so I linked a list which shows how fucking retarded such an idea is. Though this is the case for most point limits having people seriously better than others, not Tau though. They're good practically every level.

>>50574462

Again, you don't have to and generally don't want to play against someone like that because you'll spend more time setting up and putting away models than actually playing.

As for IG, I can't help you there. Sorry

Chosen as troops in alpha legion, and they can infiltrate. This seems really good, no? You can sneak heavy weapons a foot away from their dudes.

>>50574297
Hey, I'm having problems getting a refund from this store you're talking about, do you happen to have any advice or alternative ways to contact the owner? It's been four months man.

It starts with B and rhymes with lack Cultist

http://www.strawpoll.me/11818179
Which army should I start?

>>50571908
Eavy armour and purchasable upgrades for flash gits

>>50574456
when I started playing 15 years ago they were popular enough to have their own codex and line of models.

>>50574427
>>50574523
I'm sorry, anon.

>>50574555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxY89F5oU-I

>>50574536

The TO would likely limit the LoW to 25% comp and/or limit formations to CAD and/or disallow SHV and GMC

>>50574615
>he doesn't host his own comps and sets the rules so he always wins

GET ON MY LEVEL

>mfw Bloodbowl rulebook says that's one of the perks of the job

What makes a good GSC list? Is doing the decurion with brood cycle a good idea?

>>50574523
So ditch the secondary HQ.

>>50574540
I was looking at that too but I'm not familiar with chaos at all. They seem like a great choice though.

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woah boy 38 bucks for magnus.

>>50568659
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11816016
Who plays Imperial Knights as their main faction?!

>>50574662
duncan

>>50574652
>supporting the Commie Jew

If this was the 70's I'd have you arrested, tortured and then sodomised by MKULTRA test subjects against BOTH of your wills.

>>50574673
No I don't.

>>50574640
But I want the Librarian and the Chaplain.

>>50574652
He's having a Christmas sale until Jan 5, so it's another 15% off too unless Magnus counts as a "promotional product", but I'm pretty sure that's just the highlighted yellow stuff.

>>50572780
>Orks as an army has remained relatively unchanged over the ages, and this has hurt it as the game moved on.

Even worse the latest codex was a nerf to a lot of staple ork units.

>The war is over, Diocletian. Win or lose, Horus has damned us all. Mankind will share in his ignorance until the last man or woman draws the species' last breath. The warp will forever be a cancer in the heart of all humans. The Imperium may last a hundred years, or a thousand, or ten thousand. But it will fall, Diocletian. It will fall. The shining path is lost to us. Now we rage against the dying of the light."

t. The Emperor of Mankind

>>50574715

nice

>>50574541

Well, if you're in Canberra, just go to the store. They have a storefront.

Failing that, go to Fair Trading. Email them and Fair Trading, then post on their wall with a screenshot of said email, and also give FT a call too. Say that as they've in practice refused to refund you, you'll be taking it to FT/Retail Ombudsman. They should change their tune reeeeaaaally quick.

It took me saying I was going to cancel the order and go to FT to get them to do something. I emailed them, and 2 days later my order was magically shipped. Fancy that.

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>>50567282

Vac-Suit Stormtroopers are the best. I love the Kasrkin models too but the Vac-Suits are my absolute favorite, and I would kill to have them in plastic.

>>50574066
Bad parenting.

>>50574427
Aaaaand I just realized that you can only have 1 Deathwing Command Squad.

GW, stop forcing me into the Land Raider Crusader. I just need the Redeemer to have a 14 model carrying capacity.

>>50574733
ADB made the Emperor a little bitch who cant even face off against Abaddons sword. Fuck BL.

Lads, do any of these boxes they've put up on saturday have any 'savings'? I worked out the savings of all the 40k boxes they've previous released.

>>50574751
>not buying a Spartan

>>50574759
>I worked out the savings of all the 40k boxes they've previous released.
Post pls

Also why are you asking us? It seems like you're the box math guy.

>>50574173
Guard are ok, but their players are spergy neckbeard generals.

TableTopTactics fat little ginger "colonel" is the quintessential IG player.

>>50574257
Bikspam is bad but podspam is the cancer.

>>50574756
Yup. He literally admits he's writing his own preferred canon of Chaos winning by admitting he prefers Chaos.

Utterly baffling that's allowed. GW should sit down and decide which way it should go, not let somebody have free reign. His rambling Afterword doesn't absolve him of this shite.

Look, I get it, grimdark, but the whole point of the setting was 'hope'. That was always the whole point, that no matter how bad it is, there is always hope and he's just go "lol fuck that, Emperor is an emo fucking bitch who doesn't give a shit".

>>50574759
But anon, Spartans don't have Flamestorm Cannon sponsons, now do they?

>>50574766
Space Marines Saving = $34.25
Astra Militarum Saving = $25.00
Tyranid Saving = $48.75
Space Wolves Saving = $22.50
Daemons of Khorne Saving = $34
Daemons of Nurgle saving = $54
Necrons Saving = $28.75
Skiitari Saving = $56
Ork Saving = $44.50
Tau Saving = $56
Eldar Saving = $38
Militarum Tempestus Saving = $54
Blood Angels Saving = $48.75
Dark Eldar Saving = $43.50
Chaos Space Marines = $32.75

I'm lazy and can't be assed to break down the boxes, but I might do. Also these are based on USA Dollars and the prices in the store. I did do GBP/£ but I forgot to save it.