Sisters are coming, anon is getting fat, please put all your

Has there been any leaks on formations or new rules yet for Imperial Agents?

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Getting back to our Blanche roots

>>50564002
HYPE.
My 5000 Points of sisters are going to get doubled.

Can anyone tell me if a thousand sons sorcerer in a 1k sons detachment, with a sigil of corruption has a 2++ or a 3++ when affected by a blessing?

Do we have the Formation rules for the battleforces, yet?

>>50564126
3++ unless the blessing itself also buffs invul

>>50564136
I dont think so, no. I'm also excited to know them.

>>50564002
Ill take 3

one to paint and 2 to scalp

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Just finished throwing together my 500 points of Chaos, probably just gonna be writing scenarios to use them in, or letting friends use them for demo games to get them into the hobby. Satisfying as fuck

>>50564002
It makes me sad because i know the rest of the new sisters range will never be this gloriously Blanche

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>>50564002

Nobody wants to hear about your sex life, Blanche.

>>50564155
Even with the Blessing of Tzeentch rule?

Lame.

>>50564440

Speak for yourself.

>>50564299
>>50561085
>>50556775
>>50561109
So which one is it??

>>50564798
The one with the MSPainted Blanche Sister has 65 replies, so I'm staying with that one

>>50564798
>>50564762

So which one is it??

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>>50561109
Do you ever wonder if the Hive Mind is just another Galaxy's version of The Emperor?

Reread the Alpha Legion rules! Turns out the Cultist formation and the AL detachment rules are different so you can get 2 squads of cultists when 1 dies... Technically

Just finished a silly battle with my friend, 1850 points, he played Tyranids and I played CSD + Rehati War Sect. It was pretty fucking brutal. Wish I'd taken pictures.

Was it ever explained why did they removed the Pariahs? I can understand attempting to give the Necrons more depth, but why would you remove the Pariahs?

>>50565190
I really can't argue with his reactions

>>50564002
My 10 year old daughter is starting to get into 40k painting, she will enjoy that.

I however will not enjoy paying for it.

>>50567099
because they were some plan of the ctan while the nu-crons were kangz all along, not slaves

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>>50565190
I recognise that chitinous chest!

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Hey guise, anyone here an oldschool Chaos Space Murhines player?

Question: do you think in the new codex Havoks will still be able to take Autocannons?

>>50564320
looks like you still have alot of work to do here anon

>>50567004
I mean, I'd let my opponent do it since it fits a hydra theme, but it really sounds like something that'd need a faq.

>>50567004
Until Traitor Legions actually comes out we really can't say for certain

>>50564320
looks pretty cool dude, I'm about to start collecting a ton of cultists myself

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hyper quick poll answer fast:

Orkz vs Space Furries

which one do you prefer

>>50567848
Orks

>>50567848
Orks to hobby, Wolves to play

>>50567848
__Tau__

>>50564586
Mark of Tzeentch cannot take a save past a 3+. You can still jump to a 2++, you just can't use the MoTz to do so. A Thousand Sons Sorcerer effected by Electroshield, for example, will have a 2++ (3++ from the spell, +1 from Blessing of Tzeentch).

>>50564002
>tfw new sisters probably won't be Blanche like
Sadness. Plz GW, no waifus. I just want Soroitas in this style of armor, I want it to have the distinctive 40k look.

>>50567848
Space Yiffs.

I need to see someone paint Santa Grimnar.

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So, do you guys think we'll have to wait until 8th for a new IG Codex? Any thoughts on what they might change?

>>50567933
the new one just came out (2.5 years ago). Pretty sure chaos players are at the front of the line comrade

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Thought I'd toss up a poll to see what army everyone's playing right now.

Vote to represent your army!

>>50564320
How will you paint them? How many actual chaos marines are in the army? All I can see are the starting set cultists, dreadnought and kranon the relentless.

Paint them Alpha Legion or Word bearers due to your masses of cultists.

>>50567990
GW isn't about to release a new chaos codex after releasing two chaos books in rapid succession.

>>50568089
Tsons and Dangles represent

Fuck the furries

>>50567610
Check out this guy's dick beak.

>>50568089
2 things. I own 3 armies, and where's the poll?
Unless it's just a "reply=vote"

>Grey Knights
>Tau
>Dark Eldar

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>>50568089
Sisters of Battle

>>50568089
Dank Angels (Consecrators) and 30k Iron Warriors.

>>50568089
Space furries and sigmarines painted like robert redford

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>>50568136
>>50568167
>>50568089
I forgot the fucking link.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11816016

>>50568089
i don't have any army :^)

>>50568089
I've been out of 40k since 5th edition, currently getting back into it with a bundle of Eldar from Chinaman.

Still waiting on it to arrive though.

Also this shoulda been a straw poll.

>>50567610
>space snails
>actually real swords
>dick mouth
>that stupid sexy bug in the right

What was GW thinking?

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>>50568108
>thatsthejoke.jpg

>Play a Night Lords
>Daemon Prince of Nurgle HQ
>Stealth, Shrouded, Flying
>Warlord trait to reroll failed cover
>flying 2++ rerollable with shriek

I think I found my Night Lords HQ.

friendly reminder that next to the canoness that comes out, the current metal sisters will be replaced as finecast models.

Tweaking my list. Managed to stick in every TS model I have sans my Land Raider, but it's not being used to transport any CC unit, so fuck it eh.

Thousand Sons Grand Coven

Command (Lord of the Legion)
DP of Tzeentch w/ wings, ML3, Spell familiar, Armour = 310

Core (War Cabal)
Sorc w/ Spell familiar, Termie armour, MoT, ML3 = 165
3x Sorc w/ Spell familiar, Disc, MoT, ML3 = 510
2x 8+1 Rubrics/Sorc = 484
4+1 Scarab Occult/Sorc w/ Hellfyre missile rack = 270

Auxiliary x2 (Daemon Engines)
2 Maulerfiends = 250

1989 (11 free), 19 WC

Deepstriking Termie Sorc with Scarab Occult, bumrushing with maulerfiends, Rubrics take objectives and advance while Disc Sorcs pewpew and hide every turn and DP acts like an annoying psychic flyer (hopefully never landing unless its an emergency and someone needs to get smacked the fuck up)

>>50568320
drop 2 rubics (1 in each squad) and give the DP a black mace (you still have access to chaos codex artefacts). the black mace is AP 2 on a monstrous creature.

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These are the models I bought, bought them cause I liked how they look.

How did I do? Am I gonna get stomped in friendly games? What should I add/remove?

In what book are the Pink horrors updated to split into blue horrors then brimstone horrors ? Is it Curse of the Wulfen or Wrath of Magnus ?

>>50568439
wrath of magnus

>>50568394
I don't really want to do melee with him. By flying and casting spells, I stay truer to the fluff and I mitigate (even by a tiny bit) the fact my army has few models. Flying makes him a lot harder to hit, so he stays relevant for longer.

Mind you, I need to playtest this shit in my meta. It looks fun to me, with plenty of warp dice to play with and psychic fun to be had with tons of mobility. I'm a bit concerned with the survivability of the Sorcs though.

Without the Aura, a 6+ makes me worried. But that said, the disc gives you +1T and has a better cover save than the invuln by default with the possibility of jinking.

I'd love to replace them with Exalted Sorcs for the extra wound and free lance attack but they cost too much, sadly.

>>50568089

Sisters of Battle. I've played them for years.

I've also got a small DE army, a bunch of CSM that I haven't put together yet, some Deldar I'm working on, and Tzeentch daemons that I've retired for now.

>>50564320

>Scenarios

Fuck. I'd love to play scenarios, but I hardly have anyone to play with anymore.

>>50568442
Thanks !

>>50568320
One of the better lists for the TS I've seen so far. Still your going to struggle to use all your spells as not enough warp charges.

>>50568546
Is it? All I did was remove the Land Raider to make room for another Termie Sorc and I split the rubric block. And yeah I figured, but I plan on using Psychic Shriek a lot. I should be decent for warp dice as I'm probably not casting with anyone who doesn't have a spell familiar. All those mandatory rolls on Tzeentch should see me get Siphon once or twice. I'll do my best, anyway!

>>50568396
that dreadnought is gonna get zapped on the first turn, the scouts are probably pointless as well.

>>50567904
This is awesome.
Also how did you make this style of army list?

What happens I give a night lords DP Talons of Night Terror? Are the extra attacks at AP2 because of him being a MC? I don't see why not.

>>50568607
How do I keep the dreadnought from getting killed on turn one then? It's probably my favorite model.

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>>50567848
There is only one objectively correct answer

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>>50568675
>It's probably my favorite model.

That's why it will get killed immediately

>>50568633
Yes.

MCs are always AP2 unless explicitly stated otherwise, and not merely a weapon profile

>>50568675
Have more than one of them if you dont want to lose it from the get go. Dreads are fun for casual games but are worthless in anything serious.

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>Nurgle turns you into a tough-as-shit living zombie that is also a necromancer and is immune to diseases and pain
>Tzeench gives you badass psychic powers and all kinds of chaos magic and sorcery
>Slaneesh makes you fast as fuck and turns pain into pleasure while also having noise magic and a whole selection of powerful combat drugs that don't fuck up your body
What the fuck does Khorne give? I can't find any of his 'blessings' other than making you angry.

>>50568675
I would put it in a drop pod and deploy it on your second turn. Pop a flamer or a melta on it and try to get it behind your opponent for maximum lulz.

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>collector's wrath of magnus came in today and I get to have it

>>50568593
The biggest problem most TS lists have is not enough bodies. Two distraction beatsticks seem like a perfect fix to me.

How are you going to be procing the buff bonus/re-rolling 1s? Just force or are you going to be joining those rubrics with the sorcs?

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>>50568736
Whats wrong with being angry?

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>>50568748
Nice work Brother

>>50568396
Whats your game plan?

>>50568759
It's not a superpower like the other blessings are. You'd think the 'Lord of Battles' would actually give shit that makes you better at them.

>>50568797
I'm not really sure. This is my first army and I have only played like 2 games with the dark vengeance models. I guess my game plan is to just have fun?

>>50568736
For a good example, check out AoS Slaughterpriests.

Those guys are HUEG. And SWOLE.

Like, huger than Terminators huge. And this is counting for the slight size differences in AoS and 40k.

>>50568396

I feel like those 10 Wolf Guard would be better used as Blood Claws or more Grey Hunters. Any remaining points you have left could go to getting your Lord a Thunderwolf mount and another Drop Pod.

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Help me /tg/. Do I cave in and buy this?
Is it good on tabletop? Does it look good in the physical form?

>>50568736
Khorne makes you super swole

>>50568800
Khorne prefers a strictly ordered reward structure. Bootstraps yadda yadda shit

I wish they'd leak the battleforce formations already. Real curious how they're going to set up the strange admech combo.

>>50568748
welcome to the club, brother. which number is yours? mines 159 :)

>>50568812
Best game plan of all, anon.

>>50568736
Khorne makes you hit shit with the force of a truck and gives you brass balls the size of said truck so that you can climb titans to go for the chewy princeps inside.

>>50568755
You're right, there. Gonna have threats and annoying buzzards all over the place. I'm probably going to leave in Force. I don't need to worry that much about it actually. the Disc Sorcs have a 6++ so it's not that useful on them. Rubrics might rely on Force but unsure if I'll ever get to use it anyway, but the termie sorc can activate Force so his scarab occult get the buff easily. he has the spell familiar, so its efficient.

Don't have enough units to get the re-roll saves of 1 but I have.. Re-roll Perils, Cast additional power above Psyker's ML aaaaand If successful cast, that unit re-rolls all 1s to hit until start of your next psychic phase

>>50568822
I already built the wolf guard w/ chainswords and bolters, even popped the little wolf guard emblem on the top of the squad leaders backpack. Forgive me if this is a retarded question, but does that matter? I cant find whether or not I can do that in my codex. Still very new.

>>50568823
dont, get some instantmold and take some forms off thousand son details off and put them on a regular contemptor. this one looks like ass.

i cant understand this failure after such great contemptors like alpha legion for example

>>50568675
Well, the most obvious solution is to take 8 of them. Then they'll all die on turn two instead.

>>50568903
meaning, does that matter if I use them as grey hunters instead of wolfguard. Sorry.

>>50568913
>Well, the most obvious solution is to take 8 of them

Bjorn the Fell-Handed has a formation to take a shit-ton of dreadnoughts with him. I suppose that would be something for anon to look into.

>>50568916
>meaning, does that matter if I use them as grey hunters instead of wolfguard. Sorry.

No, there is an option to add CCW to grey hunters for 2pts a pop and the emblem only matters if you are playing with the spergiest of neckbeards which is a rarity for the most part, honestly most people will not even notice/realize its the wrong one.

>>50568939
what does he get for taking 8 of them then?

>>50568694

That's pretty sweet.

The real question is would it be better to have that or the 2+ and +1 cover armor? With a Nurgle Prince, I'm thinking the latter, but then again, I could dump the armor onto a lord/sorcerer.

>>50568977
Bjorn, and 2 other Dreadnoughts. All dreads must be Venerable. They get Adamantium Will and Sagaborn. All other Dreads in the Formaiton within 6″ of Bjorn get a 5++ and while Bjorn is alive, all Dreads get rerolls to hit in assault.

>>50568898
>the Disc Sorcs have a 6++ so it's not that useful on them
I feel like youre forgetting this
>If a unit with the Veterans of the Long War special rule is affected by a blessing, their invulnerable save is improved by 1 until the start of your next Psychic phase
add this from the war covern
>Oracular Guidance: If a Psyker from a War Cabal successfully manifests a psychic power, the Psyker, and any War Cabal unit he is part of or has joined, can re-roll failed To Hit rolls of 1 until the start of your next Psychic phase
and buffing you rubrics helps a lot. The war covern bonus doesnt help the scarabs at all as they are already twin linked but still. This was why I was worried about your warp charges.

>>50568886
I was relatively late in getting the order through, so it's 1212.

>>50568267
Not bad, not bad.

>>50568984
He doesn't need more stacking cover because he can get a 4+ (he's not going to shoot, is he?) that's improved to 2+ by Shrouded already.

>>50568998
well that'll do it if you wanna survive past turn one.

>>50569017
the number doesnt matter in regards to delivery :)
be glad to be one of the few chosen ones.

the whole box is pure sex though. especially the psychic cards.

>>50567933
>120 KB
> So, do you guys think we'll have to wait until 8th for a new IG Codex? Any thoughts on what they might change?

As GW has not released a codex update in ages, yes there wont be another for 7th.
I fear with their new policy of no rules without models after loosing the Griffon and friends, we are in for another round of bloodletting
-Rough Riders
-Ratlings (only metal)
making the army ever more streamlined. (At least Ogryns remain)
Baneblade (atleast the plastic box variants will be included)
Other then that we can hope more variety with the basic infantry, as they are really lacking compared to more modern kits (Firewarriors, SM...) and the kit* is actually rather old and lacks melta/plasma guns

*I am taking cadian, the other plastic soldiers we will forget, k?

>>50568089
Space Wolves

>>50569092
kauyon had a update for imperial guard/astra militarum

including detatchment, relics, WL traits formations etc.

>>50568089
Admech.

>>50569001
Yeah but even if buffed to 5++, they still have jetbikes and jink would provide a better save in a pinch (I plan to have them be extremely slippery and abuse that 24" turbo boost as much possible).

The rubric buff you're right, I will definitely keep an eye on that.

I've been thinking on where to spend that 10 points I have left and I entertained the idea of giving the termie sorc the Burning Brand and getting rid of the hellfyre missile rack. I lose out on the S8 which is nice for anti-vehicle and the TS aren't exactly lacking in S4 AP3... but this IS ignores cover and torrent on a unit that's meant to deepstrike behind enemy lines.

Would be lulzy to torch a squad in cover after flinging a few spells. What do you think? I'd be at 1999 points.

>>50569039

True. Then it's either the extra attacks or the rending claws. I'm thinking the extra attacks because he probably doesn't need shred and rending as a DP

I'll give the raptor lord the orb for a potential -4 fear while fucking with reinforcements.

>>50569114
FORMATIONS ARE NOT UPDATES REEEEEE NEW CODEX WHEN t. chaosfag

Also the update covered Cadians only even if the formations could be used in other armies, and in any case Guard Infantry Squads are among the oldest standard infantry kits in the game.

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Rate my list? Want to see if there's a pick up match to be had when I go preorder Imperial Agents on Saturday.

>>50569084
I agree, it's very beautiful. I'm loving it a lot.
I just noticed that my numbers are, in their own way, dubs.

>>50569144
>adding new stuff for a current codex
that is called a update anon.

>>50569163
>Buffmander
Pretty gay but I'll admit this is just a pet peeve of mine. I am probably biased.

>Railside
It's alright. Would play.

>>50569178
What does this meme even mean? Go back to >>>/pol/ you dribbling retard.

>>50568396
what goes into droppod?
is it true the dread has a multimelta (if yes, it might be a good candidate)
the grey hunters want a rhino, each. this would be the first thing to buy (razorback kit, google how to use as either rhino or razorback)

the wolflord is bad, its damage output is subpar and he is too slow to get into melee anyway. Consider a psyker (Yes they are psykers, not spiritshamans.....)instead.

>>50569132
>of giving the termie sorc the Burning Brand and getting rid of the hellfyre missile rack.
Pretty good idea imo. Im not sold on the hellfyre.

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>World Eaters
>Non-daemon KDK
Which one should I play?

>>50569207
I meant a new version of the codex. so something that works without needing the old codex for profiles etc.

>>50569207
>adding new stuff to a current codex with a different book
This is called a supplement, actually. It's not an update.

>>50568907
its not even that bad, the one you should be complaining about is the fucking iron warriors one

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What do you guys think of a fandex Angels of Death Part 2? For the chapters lacking individual gladiuses/formations.

>Ultramarines
>Black Templars
>Cursed Founding chapters
>Badab War Chapters

inb4 Ultramarines are vanilla, they use lots of special issue ammo(Tyrannic War vets) and have a bigger honor guard than most chapters. Plus they have interesting successor chapters that are a lot different from them such as the Mortifactors and Aurora Chapter.

Also maybe a similar one for Crimson Slaughter and Red Corsairs?

Might as well show it to GW and FW too. I know based on stuff I've heard on /tg/ and things I've sent to GW in the past, that a lot of the new Chaos stuff in Traitor Legions was very much in line with fan suggestions.

Any ideas, /40kg/? Any concept for what you'd like your particular chapter's or warband's decurion to look like?

>>50568977
Mark of Khorne, obviously.

>>50569419
You mean the Mark of Morkai, who is definitely not Khorne at all, nosir.

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>>50568748
Collector's Anus

>>50569458
damn,whats that from? That kid just got absolutely rekt.

Why is that kid even there? Why would the parents allow this? I dont understand whats happening

>>50569409
>inb4 Ultramarines are vanilla
Gladius is literally how the Uldramarines deploy.

>they use lots of special issue ammo(Tyrannic War vets)
Yeah, the Tyrannic War Veterans do. And they already have rules.

>and have a bigger honor guard than most chapters
So make a formation or something.

>Plus they have interesting successor chapters
Because the vast majority of all successors are Ultra stock. But they aren't important enough to cover, notice how most all the other unique decurions were for the original legions? I'm being serious here, I'd much rather GW put more time into developing literally any other faction than put out even more Marine wank.

>BTs
The sole exception to all of this and I hope they do get covered.

>>50569250

>free combat bonuses or daemons whenever something dies
>flesh hounds + bikes formation
>at-initiative AP2 sergeants
>daemon space marines get best of both worlds

vs

>kharn
>your space marines of all types become discount berzerkers for free
>superior relics
>havocs, obliterators
>all the chaos vehicles and vehicle upgrades
>detachment that lets you not-scout everything

>>50569478
Space Runaway Ideon

>>50569245
Just worried about taking away what little anti-tank I have in exchange for MORE anti-infantry. With this, the only surefire AT I have is both maulerfiends. I suppose with a mandatory Tzeentch roll on 8 sorcs, I'm bound to hit at least a single Doombolt, and I suppose I can roll on Heretech a bit to get some Haywire perhaps.

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>>50569478
it's spess war anon, it spares no one
Animu is Space Runaway Ideon
https://youtu.be/GiFPvqnzK9g?t=206

>>50569566
I would let slaanesh fuck me, just sayin.

Thoughts on Storm Warden fluff? Just stumbled onto them, pretty much fantasy flights version of relics blood magpies.

>>50569632
>not posting the edited version

Should I get Thousand sons? Or should I wait for SOB?

I really love TS but I dont know if they are worth the effort etc..

>>50569488

First Founding Marine chapters aren't the only ones to have been wanked to death, look at Eldar and Tau too. You make some good points, if anything Ultramarines and their successors should get like one alteration each but should have to stick to the Gladius.

What other factions would you rather they round out? Orkz and IG in general could also use their own "Angels of Death" equivalents to flesh out the different klanz and regiments, since right now only Goffs and Cadians(the protagonist subfactions) get anything outside of FW.

So my local store has a grade A dick bag Chaos player. He doesn't ever beat anyone who's been playing for awhile and mostly noob stomps and talks about how good he is. The problem is if you beat him all he does it bitch about CSM (which I grant is bad, but's worse). I can beat this guy hands down any game but I need to do so in a way to burst his ego so beating him with my Corsairs or Marines isn't much. I'm thinking of maybe trashing him with Harlequins?

>>50569666
Okay Satan, if you really are this interested in SoB that you have to ask here then you should wait. You can throw yourselves into TS wholeheartedly but if Sisters actually happen and they are good you'll regret the decision, much more so if someone else makes it for you.

>>50569666
If you're having doubts, wait and read fluff/ watch painting tutorials.

>>50569666
Well, I must say painting Magnus is one of the most enjoyably comfy evenings i've had so far. Coincidentally, or perhaps through strange fate, I built him the night before the first snows of winter fell, and painted him at night with a fire going and a hot chocolate in hand. Also T-sons are definitely here, whereas SOB only have one confirmed model. It's really up to you, are you willing to wait?

>>50569677
Just dont play with him. If he gets butthurt tell him that you do not think you are compatible with his personality.

>>50569677
Harlequins are Eldar so he'll meme on you if you pick them. If you want to trash him with an absolutely shit codex use Orks. No sane person can admit that book has anything good in it aside from Traktor Kannons

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The Alpha Legion rules say if your Warlord is killed another friendly character becomes your Warlord and generates Warlord traits immediantly.

Does "character" only include HQs or would squad leaders like Aspiring Champions be included as well?

>>50569689
Duncan its for noobs.

>>50569677
Ah, the path of humbling. I respect that. Though you should be aware that the force of autism surrounding such players generally manifests itself in an odd confirmation bias when they lose. Whatever you beat him with he'll tell you its OP. If you want to beat him and pop his ego beyond all doubt you'd need to run Orks.

>>50569677
Sounds like your run of the mill chaos player.

>>50569730
Character means ANYONE with the word "(Character)" in their profile. So yes, squad leaders, too.

>>50569730
All characters mate, they are legion.

>>50569730
It says Character, so Sergeants do indeed count.

READ THE RULEBOOK, REEEEEEEE

>>50569699

That's less attractive an option. I don't play him often but I still have to listen to him yap his fucking mouth and beat new players mercilessly.

>>50569719
>>50569734

I can borrow a friend's Ork army. It won't be hard to beat him, he doesn't play to the mission ever so I'll put a million ObSec models on the table and maybe use that painboy mob formation thing where you get the free round of combat.

>>50569666

The rules for TS aren't great, unless you rely on the formations.
You'll be waiting ~3 months for the SoB plastic line, rumours say. My main force is sisters, and my birthday is in March so I couldn't be happier.

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>>50569768
Sounds good to me. Step with conviction, Anon! For you tread the path of righteousness!

>>50569768
well. You could always slash his tires when he is in a game before you go into the store.

If you get busted tell him JUST AS PLANNED and blame it on tzeench

>>50569798

>The rules for TS aren't great, unless you rely on the formations

TS work really well with Raptor Talon and Terminator Annihilation Force though, not just their own stuff.

>>50568089
CSM, Mechanicus, Imperial Fists.

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>>50568396
HOLY FUCKING DOGSHIT MY DUDE THIS IS BAD.
Strap your cock in and get ready imm gonna teach you some shit. Ive been playing Space wolves for a few years and I have 6000+ Points painted plus working on 30k wolves now.

The wolf lord: Bad loud out you got. PUT THAT NIGGER ON A THUNDER WOLF.
Yes keep his two dogs and put them in base contact behind him so when you need them you can look out sir and always be able to grab them. Imagine grabbing a dog and putting in front of you to soak up a gun shot, you have now bought him two extra wounds for 16 POINT MY NIGGA. Always worth. New Iron priest and crazy amounts of Rune priest are good too, Abuse those 6 HQ SLOTS. YEA bitch I said it.

Wolf Scouts: Never buy, never use, R BAD.

Wolf Guard: Are cool when you load them out with cheap but effecive stuff. Like 10 all with storm bolters and power swords. The load out you have on them is useless and would save more points just making them gray hunters.

FUNDERWULF MOTHER FUCKING CALV: Oh baby my favorite units. One of the best units in the book still used in crazy tounry list to this day. Do the math like this. If you dont have the points to give them good weapons then dont fucking take them. 1 guy is 40, a power fist and storm shield is also 40 so 80 points each usually best served with the THUNDERWOLF LORD described before attached to them to tank.

Grey hunters: Only use if you are going to use 10 with 2 special weapons plus a combi weapon, in most case just pay for the cheaper small units of blood claws as like a tax to dump points into Elite, fast attack and HQ choices. If your list is half HQ points you doing it wrong my man.

Drop pod: Are good, but its always about what you put in them. Try... 5 WOLF GUARD WITH COMBI MELTAS, or 10 if you crazy, first blood Imperial knights, Bane blades, anything with fucking armor value, watch as opponent weeps salty tears.

Dreads: If you want one, take Bjorn, Murder balls, axe and sheilf, or a great wolf claw for cheap.

What's your favorite/the most important part of the hobby for you?

I really enjoy modelling my army but ultimately my favorite thing and the thing that drives me is the social element of the hobby. I love sitting down after a day's worth of games with my friends and talking about what went well, what didn't, etc. I never thought I'd enjoy tournaments but I've been to a few recently and they're actually really fun.

>>50569918
this picture has a severe lack of cyberwolves

>>50569446
morkai is merely a spelling error
its original name is MoreKhorne

>>50569918
>Drop pod
wait, can you put motherfucking wolf pack in a drop pod?
DROP THE KNOT

>>50568480
The drop 2 rubrics and give the guy the burning brand of skalathrax for more shooty

>>50569446
>>50569962

Morkai is not Khorne, otherwise the Space Wolves would have been corrupted long time ago. Remember Morkai's power SUPPRESSES Khorne's blessing on the axe(most of the time).

>>50569677
You need CSM to beat him. Every other codex he wil complain

>>50569977
The only way to get the actual dogs in a transport is if they are attached to a..... Well actually come to think of it I think they are bulky and I dont see why you couldent just put 8 of them in a crusader.

>>50569918
I dont have a thunderwolf HQ But I do have Ragnar blackballs.

What are your thoughts on him?

>>50569998

This. What Legion does he play btw?

You should bring a CSM power list. Something like the new EC formation, Black Legion terminator alpha strike, or Death Guard with huge numbers of plague bikes and plague havocs.

>>50569987
>SWfags will actually defend their chapter having a legit artefact of Chaos
>use the same excuse Russ did to get out of Nikaea
You literally cannot make this shit up. Even Crowe of GK fame cannot get away with casually ignoring the warp taint in his chosen weapon.

>>50569987
Space Wolf damage control?
Corruption can be subtle

>>50569918
Why are wolf scouts bad? Scouts in general are not that terrible, what makes space furry ones shit?

>>50570031
Remember it was Morkai who laughed when Magnus was wounded as the axe is supercleansed by the finest SpaceWolf CSM-artefact-collectors (not even the Blood Ravens can do that, havin a world spirit who lends their totally-not-psykers powers can do miracles)

btw you guys are talking that Sisters of Battle are being released soon but isn't it the same as Adepta Sororitas?
honest question

>>50568320
DP ain't worth 310 points unless he's smacking bitches left and right. He's got a pimpin' melee statline, so use it.

Rubrics need Rhinos. If it can take a Rhino, it should take a Rhino.

Scarab Occult are too expensive to throw in reserve with no rerolls or scatter mitigation. Doubly so if you're sticking a Terminator Sorcerer with them. Just throw all your dice at Ectomancy and hope to teleport around the table (Soulswap'ing with summoned Daemons is always fun).

>>50569835

How do you mean?
My buddy is going to be getting TS. I want to advise him on how to use them, so they're not too underwhelming.

>>50569981
I guess I could. And keep the Missile rack you mean? I'll try it out and see what works better. I have to shoot everything at the vehicle if I want to attack it with the missiles, which means the brand and combi-bolters are wasted, sadly..

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What should I put in my EC army besides bikers and noise marines?

>>50570014
Not the wolf anon that you were talking to, but I can tell you this: Ragnar is a cool model but still, he's slow as fuck. I would not take him in a list where he is the only HQ, you really REALLY want your HQ on a thunderwolf.

>>50570154

Raptor Talon:
Lord can carry Seer's Bane, enemy locked in combat with two squads of Warp Talons gets -2 Ld, Lord wounds on 2+ with at-inititative AP2 daemon weapon. Also, Warp Talons are basically melee rubrics.

Terminator Annihilation Force:
Take Sorcerer + termicide squads, enjoy having combi-weapons and AP2 weapons while still getting the 3++ for being thousand sons.

>>50570092
careful the poster you are replying to sounds like a typical SW-player i.e. drunken idiot.

I think the problem with SW scouts is that they are not TROOPS but an elite choice and more expensive for little real gain then SM scouts.

>>50567848
Orks.

>>50570137

Yes, They're the same.
Just like Space marines are to Adeptus Astartes.

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>>50570014
Ragnar? Ragnar? RAGNAR? RAAAAAAAAGNAR?

It drags my dick through the dirt. He is really bad. He is an expensive named character with a 3+ armor, 4+ invul, no eternal warrior.

A build your own Wolf lord would kill him 1v1 every time for the points.

I would only take him in a squad of Wulfen for the lulz.

The best named charcters in the book are.

Arjac Rockfist AKA BUTTCRACK COCKFIST: He has Strength fucking 10, good armor, good Invul, 2 wounds, ETERNAL WARRIOR, and can THROW HIS FUCKING STRENGTH 10 HAMMER.

Lukas, Always play Lukas Against Chaos fags, try to get him against their most expensive chaos lord and blow his shit out the frame.

Worst characters are:

GODDAMN CANIS WOLFBORN AKA ACTUAL NIGGER SYMPATHIZER. He has no fucking invul, NONE, fucking 3+ armor.

LOGAN GRIMNESS AKA FUCKING CLOWNSHOES.

>>50568089
Kult Ov Speed

>>50570160
>
a sorcerer might be good
remember to never mix bastmaster sonic blaster and doom siren.
rhinos with dirge caster
some ranged heavy weapon that are cheaper then blastmasters

>>50570130
>In the distance, thunder rumbled long and loud. Only the psykers present heard it for what it was – the laughter of the Blood God himself
No it was khorne mate. Unless you're saying Morkai is the blood god?

>>50570160
Sicarans and Sonic Dreads if you have access to FW.

Daemonettes and Seekers if you want to take Daemon allies.

Heldrakes and Maulerfiends if you want to stick purely with units from the CSM codex.

>>50570245
just making fun of the SW cant do anything wrong EVAR crowd

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>>50570160
I hate how the models will never reflect how cool and ornate Slaaneshi armour is in the art

>>50570020
Not that guy, but what is this Black Legion terminator alpha strike you speak of? I have some chaos termis ready to deploy

>>50570202

Doesn't have to be warp talons, but they're nice for the potential 3++ save.

I think it would be funny to ally a thousand sons detachment to night lords, who can drop a bigger Ld Penalty, though its largely not needed.

>>50570205
Yes this is why. They can not be spammed for cheap to take troop slots like in normal space marines. Which is such a cancer thing to do. God I love 30 ruleset. They are also elites.

>>50570283
If the KSons line is any indication, Slaanesh CSM are going to be glorious if/when they ever get a 40k update.

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>>50570226
Well, you have been incredibly informative and I appreciate the advice. I guess I'll buy myself a wolflord on TWC and a Lukas model. Change the wolfguard to grey hunters, drop the scouts, and pick up some bloodclaws.

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How does your army deal with Riptides?

>>50570325
I don't play CSM, but I really hope they go down the Sigvald route instead of "IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL AND ORNATE IT IS UGLY TO ALL WHO GAZE UPON IT" or some shit that gives them an excuse to make them ugly as sin.

>>50570327
>I guess I'll buy myself a wolflord on TWC
Just buy another pack of TWC, add 2 of them to your existing pack and make the third your HQ. More bang for your buck as opposed to buying the named model.

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>>50570327
Yes Wolf brother. Get some rune priest, and a rune priest on a bike. The basic Space wolf infantry kit gives you enough shit to custom make rune priest, wolf guard, grey hunters, blood claws, wolf lords, WGBL.

Also I love that imperial knight kit and I want it but the Imperial knight rules make me vomit directly into my cock. Me and my friend read it and he instantly looked up at me and said.
"What is this fucking book fair 1,001 jokes book?"

>>50570242
If he takes the new Kakophoni formation, it might actually be worth mix and matching squads now. The blastmaster can split fire off to hit far away targets while the sonic blasters shred closer threats.

>>50570343
Application of 1 magnus or liberal use of psychic screams and doombolts

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>>50570372
Wait, I don't understand your problem with Imperial Knights? Explain.

>>50570389
something in my head screams "high model cost" but ITS NOT LOUD ENOUGH

>>50567848
HOW BOUT DEM BOYZ?

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>>50570343
This sexy motherfucker :^)

>>50570407
I'm sorry. Forgeworld Knights are good. Better rules better models.

GW codex Imperial knights is gimmicky, jokey, not worth the point, fucking moon cricket clown shoes.
No but really I love the models I just think the are not worth the points.

Also... a fucking heavy stubber? Really?

>>50569835
Really?! How does this exactly work?
Is Magnus viable?
I play a lot vs inperial fist, space yoff, artillery ultras and fucking eldar.

>>50570457
What?

GW Imperial Knights are great, what are you talking about? I agree on the Heavy Stubber, but what? Nah mate.

The Questoris Magaera is actually the worst Knight in the game for it's points. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Magaera.pdf

>>50570457

You don't understand what the heavy stubber is there for?

I'm not asking to be an asshole but it seems so obvious.

>>50570457
Free tag for assault, that is why stubber.

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>>50570457
>literally the most point-efficient LoW in the game that is not a Wraithknight or Warlord Titan
>not worth the points
>HE'S ACTUALLY QUESTIONING WHY THE STUBBER EXISTS

>>50570503

I know why it's there. Its still no an excuse. Make it a heavy bolter, an auto cannon, anything else.

>>50570457
Is this bait, or just new guy who doesn't get it?

>>50570534

So then explain why it's there. If you understand it you'll also understand why things like the lancer knight aren't as good.

>>50570546
It's already been posted, and this is either bait, or retardation beyond measure.

>>50570457

So are you pretending to be retarded or actually retarded?

>>50570546
You pepper people to assault them.
It's skyfire weapon is a joke.
Rapid fire battle cannon gimmick horse water.

>>50570581
Dog, are you drunk? Go to bed.

>>50570160
desu, compared to other gods, life on a slaaneshi conquered planet wouldn't be too bad. It's really just a pleasure orgy until you either get sacrificed or your heart gives out, or the planet gets purged by SM, then Slaanesh eats you. Compared to mindless murder, insanity, or wasting disease it's not a bad deal.

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>>50570457
>>50570581
Nigger let me tell you a thing or two about point-inefficient lords of war.

>>50570581

So pretending to be retarded. Good know -I can hide your posts and move on.

>>50567662
Yes, yes I do.
>>50567771
Do it, it is worth it! I've only painted the one but it was a blast
>>50568101
No chaos marines yet 40 cultists, 2 champions with shotguns, 1 chaos lord, 1 hellbrute. The cultists are all getting painted wild-west themed
>>50568506
Try making some friends

>>50570343
Magnus has two strength D attacks and a 2++ rerolling ones with the exalted sorcs behind him casting cursed earth and magnus having the grimoire.

>>50570603
Yall really that upset?
There is no way the giant Robot could be bad!
It get beat the fuck up by the other Giant robots in his weight class. Storm surges, wraith knights.
It'll die to less than its own points in grav fire.
Every one is super omega anal blasted and like. Holy shit dude are trolling? Dude The new star wars movie wasent that good either. I said it.

>>50570641
Can Magnus even take rewards/artefacts?

>>50570494
>>50570518
>>50570537
>>50570567
>>50570562
>>50570593
>>50570603
Learn to play warhammer, fucking slobs

>>50567643
calling in an orbital bump

>>50568089
Necron

>>50570664
Nope. But a 120 point Herald of Tzeentch can.

>>50564320
Where'd you get that collared coat on the cultist big guy on the left?

>>50570661
>>50570671

It's cool, I'm not in the top 10 ITC knight players or top 200 ITC players currently.

>>50570661
>There are two GMCs better than it.
>If you are awful with shields and target priority it could die to less than its points.
>107.9999999999999 grav shots if no doctrine/ amp.
Shitpost more please, you contribute to the thread.

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>>50570661
>Storm surges
Get absolutely raped by a Knight if it ever reaches melee. If not, did you really thing you could beat the Tau in a shooting contest? The Stormsurge is the second most powerful LoW, behind...
>wraith knights
They are literally a meme because of how criminally undercosted and overpowered they are. They're not good for measuring anything against.
>grav
Literally the cancer killing 40k and just as overpowered. Try again.

>>50570671
Knights are good, fucking look at traditional LoW like Baneblades and named characters except Khaine for examples of what they have to compete with in that slot. Just because it gets killed by cheese doesn't mean it's awful.

>>50570692
He's a model from a dark vengeance set, ordered 20 cultists for 20$ on ebay twice. the savings made me happy. Also, the other cultist champion is the same model but converted a little

>>50570641
>magnus having the grimoire
fook, meant herald

>>50570712
>>50570709
See Me on table Niggas.
Clarksville
TN

>>50570712
>knights are good as long as you don't measure them against the traditional benchmarks of a good lord of war
Lol.

>>50570612

I have friends. None of them play because it's too expensive, but it's ok for them to drop $200-300 on MTG every month.

>>50570745
>two meme units
>traditional benchmarks

>>50570739

Sure - I'll head to Dicehead on your next big event and shove your shit in.

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>>50570524
>>50570537
>>50570546
>>50570562
>>50570603
ITT:
Filthy casuals defending their 100+ dollar model that, point for point, sucks eggs.

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>>50570343
120 points of gretchin controlled Kannons.

>>50570771
why would a casual buy imperial knights?

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>>50570771
>I'm not retarded, that's impossible! You're all wrong!

>>50570694
Cool story, Knights are trash.
"Look, I'm in the top 10 ITC Ork players huehue"

>>50570709
There are bane blade variants better than it. Stop reaching.

>>50570712
"KNIGHTS ARE GOOD! Everything better than a Knight is just cancer Overpowered!" - Actual Casual spotted

So who wants to add
>knights are trash
to the bingo board?

Working on a new Eldar Corsairs list - I need someone for my Prince to hang out with, strongly considering Shining Spears. Any thoughts?

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>>50570788
I'm not the wolf guy you idiot. I just understand Knights suck.

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>>50570797
>"KNIGHTS ARE GOOD! Everything better than a Knight is just cancer Overpowered!"
But it's the truth. Knights are actually pretty balanced units, as evidenced by the fact that they contend reasonably with everything that isn't cheese. If the cheese did not roll over them, it would not be cheese.

>>50570294

Look up the new Black Legion rules.

is there a pdf/epub/mobi of traitors hate available?
i have the book but having it in digital would be nice.

>>50570797

Where are you at in the ITC rankings? Top 50? Top 10?

>>50570739
You're from Tennessee? You read like you can barely speak English.

>>50570840

>Tennessee

How the fuck are you supposed to make a TSons army that even has a tiny chance of working? They're somehow less points efficient than GK. What the fuck

I can't seem to figure out a way to get more than 10~ WC on the table without having a tiny tiny amount of guys, either. Everything is so hilariously overpriced. Fuck you GW.

>>50570797
You know what is great? A Khorne Daemon Knight with a Grimoire Herald and Cursed Earth. 2++ and d3 extra attacks.

>>50570825
Balanced doesn't cut it in 40k my man. It sucks to say, but good doesn't equal balanced anymore.

>>50568089
CSM/Daemons

>>50570811
Spears are alright but take a look at Reavers too. Their Caltrops are no joke and the Prince will usually take care of whatever's left after the Reavers are done with their gimmick. If you have the detachments and points to make it work, a Banshee Mask Autarch does wonders for such a unit but the whole thing can get pricey depending on how many bikes you bring. That said, an Autarch is fucking hilarious with Sky Burners so you'll get some extra use out of him if you run them alongside him.

>>50570858
>Balanced doesn't cut it in 40k
He means balanced in the current meta, it used to be considered blatantly overpowered.

>>50570840
Not wolf fag, but you're geographically stereotyping without posting where you're from.

Kinda sound like a scaredy-balls.

>>50570864

I've looked at Reavers but we play with ITC rules and I really want to run a Harlequin Cast of Players in my list so I wouldn't be able to get access to Dark Eldar.

>>50570855
You literally cannot, that's why everyone has been talking about how trash the dex is and getting mad at the fuckers being like "no guys omg its not that bad you're just doing it wrong lol get gud"

It's why GW community site had to post a "how to build 1ksons army" damage control article that right out the gate was like "its really really challenging but when you do it right its totally good, honest!"

>>50570875
When was the imperial knight overpowered?! Did I miss something?

>>50570855
>horrors

>>50570896
Right up until Wraithknights became GCs and were suddenly better in basically every way for 75% of the points.

>>50570896
The meta kneejerked when a codex dropped that let you play an entire army made up of LoW. Then people sat down and figured out how to beat them. Pure Knights are mid-tier but the unit really shines when used as the LoW support to another army, such as WarConvo.

Also, since Knights, we've had the Wraithknight buff, Stormsurge, and recent shittery like Magnus and Horrors powercreeping around.

>>50570877
Not trashing Tennessee, just surprised he was from a majority English-speaking area.

>>50570891

I read that article and you basically can't get any of it work under 1850. Which I guess could be fine if they'd at least built the fucking codex to work at 1850. I'm pretty damn sure some of the list ideas they put up don't even fit into 1850 points. Plus they don't actually say anything of value.

Their suggestions were
>Take Ahriman (230~) points and a bunch of Rubrics and Tzaangors on foot
Wow thanks for the fucking tip GW. What a great army idea.
>Take like 5 ExSorcs and the rest Tzaangors
Yeah I'll get right on it you stupid fucking fucks
>Take Magnus and the Sekhmet Conclave
This is basically 1850 on its own and can't kill anything and will die to a single Assassin or just a bunch of guardsmen.

I'm so fucking happy I cancelled my pre-ordered at the last minute.

>>50570343
Psychic Shriek

>>50568089
Mechanicus/Skitarii

For the Omnisiah!

>>50570343

Massed poison shooting.

>>50570888
Ah. Well then, Khorne, your only real choices there are the Spears or... Well, the Spears, since if I remember correctly the Cast of Players has a set loadout in which you can't take bikes.

Unless you wanted to pal around with Cloud Dancers, Windriders or more bizarrely Swooping Hawks, which all suck more than Spears ever could, that's all you have.

>>50570940
>I cancelled my pre-ordered at the last minute
We get it you cancelled your pre-order. Stop posting about it.

>>50568089
Militarum Tempestsus

>>50570343

I haven't had to yet but I assume the answer is either

>send jetpack elves to shoot it in the dick with over 9000 meltas
or
>send tank elves to shoot it in the dick with D-Cannon thing

>>50570976

kek that's the first time I've mentioned it. I'm not the other anon who cancelled.

There's no way to prove this but I assure you it's true. I actually did cancel when /40kg/ spooked me into realizing it'd probably be shit, though.

>>50570974

Yeah cast is limited to basically a troupe + seer + jester.

And yeah those are my thoughts on other accompanying units - he's a combat model, I'd rather have him with a combat unit. That said I wouldn't mind reworking the formation to go with Cegorach's revenge which would net me some Skyweaver bikes but I don't know if they're a better option than Spears.

>>50571023

Give him a jetpack and shadow field like a MAN and charge into combat with half-dead slaaneshi-bait elves, anon.

Night Lords crusade

Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Wings, Talons of Night Terror, Combat Familiar

Raptor Talon
Lord w/ Claws, Viox, and Aura
Raptors w/ Melta and Combi
Raptors w/ Melta and Combi
Raptors w/ Flamers and dual LC

TAF
Sorcerer with Force axe, ML3, and Combi plas
Terminators x3 w/combi plas x2 and LCx2
Terminators x3 w/ Combi plas
Terminators x3 w/ Combi plas


This is my skeleton for my night lords I think. It comes out to 1249 points, which is nice.

Thoughts?

>>50570457
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Imperial Knight is "OP". It's not. They're the Imperial Knights' TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Scions Aspirant are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Imperial Knights had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Knight player would know that some well supported Knight Warden is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Imperial Knight players complain about "muh Paladins or muh Crusaders" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Cerastus. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Imperial Knight players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

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Is there any real evidence of a sisters update or is it just trolling?

>>50571053
Literally the thread's second post

>>50570997
I legitimately dont get the hate. TS without demons make no sense to me and thats all they need to work. People bitching they cant run 30 elites whose entire purpose is anti-MEQ are idiots.

>B...b..but thats the fluff
No it is. TS are tiny in number and would rather shove peasants and demons in front of them to catch bullets.

>>50571047

Night Lords can't have a mark of Nurgle. Also you need moar lightning claws.

I'm curious as to what's going to be footslogging. Something has to start on the board and if it dies before your turn you lose. So I guess your plan is just to hide the DP in cover and hope you go first so everything else can arrive?

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Anons, I'm starting a Consecrators army, what do I add in addition to these?

Interrogator Chaplain with Plasma Pistol
3x10man Tac Squads with Power Sword, Plasma Gun, Pistol, and Cannon.

>>50571066

>Receive codex-sized update
>It downgrades you to becoming a supplement to Codex: Chaos Daemons

You really can't afford to have enough ML to summon more Daemons anyway.

>>50571036

I've strongly considered it but the issue is that the unit is going to get absolutely toasted before it makes combat if I dump too much into it. It gets closer and closer to a foot deathstar which I'm just not fond of.

>>50571047
Looks pretty nice to me, anon. If you bump it up to 1500 I would try going for as many cheap bodies as you can to pad it out.

>>50571069
Not a Mark, a Daemon Prince. They always have to take a god and can do so in every Legion, even ones that can't take marks.

>>50571049
You're responding to a guy who actually thinks knights are weak btw.
Also comparing knights to termies is kinda bullshit, not going to lie.

But yes people are still reeling from the meta shift that followed the easily accessible LOW option. Most armies can counter knights if they are expecting them, so long as they aren't joining an already OP list, and are expected they don't present a real problem to game balance.

>>50571085

I run (almost) all jetpack elves so I just try to be sneaky and screen with shitty units. This probably won't work if your list isn't mostly jetpack elves and MSU, though.

>>50571062
That's not evidence. Well there be new models or same old metal/resin casts?

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>>50571117
>he doesn't know

>>50571084
>summon more Daemons anyway.
I didnt say anything about summoning. A herald and two packs of 11 horrors is 7 extra warp charges. Use siphon magic one one of your sorcs and get off free spells after they casts. Youve got fuck all AV so you're probably rolling for Doombolt anyway.

>>50571132
I just that one new model.

>>50571132
No one knows but GW. They are probably building up hype in preparation to something. They wouldn't release a new model for an army they are going to squat.

>>50571069

The DP doesn't have a mark, it's a Daemon of Nurgle, and yea. I can have the DP start by itself because it has a Stealth, Shroud, and +1 cover on turn 1. Then with Jink, it's got a 2+ cover anyway.

I'd like to fit more claws, but I'm at the points limit.

>>50571112

I was thinking a small CAD because I have tons of HH bodies and spare plasma guns, even if they're just on foot because free stealth. I could take a sorcerer with armor of shadows and/or a raptor lord with armor or rending claws.

Not sure yet.

>>50571169
Of course not, squatting implies that they'd be quietly removed from the setting entirely. Sisters of Battle would still be mentioned in the fluff, just unplayable, like the Adeptus Arbites.

>>50571173
>The DP doesn't have a mark, it's a Daemon of Nurgle, and yea

Yeah I derped hard. Sorry m8.

> I can have the DP start by itself because it has a Stealth, Shroud, and +1 cover on turn 1. Then with Jink, it's got a 2+ cover anyway.

Fair enough anon. If something does manage to kill it, you lose. If they don't you'll probably win because a bunch of plasma Termis and Raptors with -4Ld checks on the fear tests are going to be too much for most to deal with at 1250.

>>50568202
>space snails
Those are Nautilus you uncultured swine

>>50571215
They're huge and in space you hypercorrect moron, I can call them ammonites or space snails if I want and it won't make much of a fucking difference.

which one is better idea, traitor legions or wrath of magnus?
Is wrath of magnus worth it?

>>50568089
Scions + =][= + Assassins + Imperial Knights + AdMech + Deathwatch (Force of the Imperium Ordo Xenos Style)
Minotards
Chaos Daemon
Tyranids
Eldar

>>50571215

The plural is nautili (or nautiluses if you're a faggot), you uncultured swine

>>50571256

Shut up retard they're clearly space nautili. Would you call a force sword a force axe because it's in space and magical so it doesn't matter what you refer to it as?

>Oh you don't get to roll that save, my power maul is AP2
>what? no power axes are AP2
>same shit it's in space, I meant power axe. It's a power maul. There are no axes in space ok?

>>50571271
Traitor Legions has all of the TS rules that WoM does so if that's what interests you then go for TL.

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>>50571169
Why do I feel like I'm being set up to be disappointed...

>>50571293
I was going to get WOM but new fluff seems pretty shitty and I wasnt sure about it, seems kind of pricey but I am a big TS fan so I am unsure if it is a must.

>>50570940
>I read that article and you basically can't get any of it work under 1850. Which I guess could be fine if they'd at least built the fucking codex to work at 1850. I'm pretty damn sure some of the list ideas they put up don't even fit into 1850 points. Plus they don't actually say anything of value.

It seems like GW wants people playing larger games than 1850.

>>50570940
Pretty sure in UK Land 2k is the norm, iirc. In Burger Land 1850 is the norm.

>>50571213

It's cool. I had to double check myself before I made the list.

It's definitely high risk high reward, though. Funny enough, I kinda wish there was a non core option to get some bodies on the table. The Warband is great, but I kinda get screwed with Raptors being core if I want to remain fluffy.

I suppose a hell pack with Hellbrutes would be ok. They don't have to be demonic because dead batmans are pretty crazy. I'd have to get another because I only have the two HH dreads.

Hey is it worth getting both WOM and Traitor Legions?

Anyone have a rundown of the new traitors legions formations?

>>50571352
http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1481046080521.pdf

>>50568089
Scions.

>>50571337

Oh right I kind of forgot about that. I usually play <1850 anyway.

>>50571326

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>>50571396
>SUCCESSFULLY DEPLOY IT
Harder than you think with that 72" wide base.

>>50571326

Maybe they gave up on 1500 since everyone still plays 1850.

>>50571396
Wait, is that a real rule? I wouldn't put it past GW at this point.

>>50570962

Do the math on splinter shots. It's not viable. Takes something like 110+ splinter shots or 15+ dark lances to kill a basic riptide without nova shield or fnp

>what I hear verytime someone capitalizes the "o" in "WoM"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDEbsZpweDo

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>>50571290
You want to get down to brass tacks on a throwaway post?

Consider that the space snail in that picture is
a) in space
b) so huge it can be seen from the foreground
c) a Tyranid.
No nautilus has ever or will ever do any of those things, nor any other known cephalopod for that matter, so it is not, in fact, a nautilus. Thus, any name I give to that creature is an approximation. Does it look like a nautilus? Is it directly inspired by one? Yes. Does it look like a giant space snail with tentacles? Yes it does.

>the power axe argument
Nice strawman, but we're not debating anything with a tangible effect on anything to the point that it has to be written in a list before playing, and in fact this creature probably doesn't even exist in the canon anymore. That's right, we are at the moment arguing on a Mongolian animal husbandry forum about what creature from Earth we should use as a naming basis for a nonexistent ship in a fictional universe.

>>50568089
Imperial Knights

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Something I've wondered about. We know about Space Marine recruitment-- how, despite ever-present aspirent death and failure, the trials aspirants go through can be relatively peaceful and dignified, though recruits are often chosen from death worlds where human life struggles to survive.
It can also be a brutal affair that involves forces aspirents to the willful kill of other aspirants, even among loyal and pure chapters, and that these would-be Space Marines are rarely if ever older than 14 years.
But what about the induction of recruits by the Chaos Space Marines? Is it the same, just "more brutal and evil?"
I honestly know nothing about CSM recruitment other than they are often forced to steal loyalist geneseed as theirs is often too corrupt for use.

>>50571337
Most games here in bongland are played at 1500 actually. I don't have a clue about tournaments, though.

Thoughts on the following Eldar Corsairs/Craftworld Eldar/Harlequins list? Using ITC format.

Corsair Raiding Party - Command Crew
>Corsair Prince - Void Sabre, Shadowfield, Cloud Dancer, Reaper of the Outer Dark

Corsair Coterie - Hate Bringers
>Void Dreamer - Mastery Level 3, Shadowfield, Cloud Dancer
>3x Cloud Dancers - 3x Scatter Lasers
>Warp Hunter Squadron - 2x Warp Hunters, Kinetic Fields

Corsair Coterie - Sky Burners
>Corsair Baron - Shadowfield
>5x Reavers - Jet Packs, Felarch, 2x Fusion Blasters
>5x Reavers - Jet Packs, Felarch, 2x Fusion Blasters
>5x Reavers - Jet Packs, Felarch, 2x Fusion Blasters
>5x Balestrike Band - Jet Packs, 4x Shruiken Cannon

Eldar Allied Detachment
>Farseer - Skyrunner, Spirit Stone of Anathalan
>3x Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>4x Shining Spears - Autarch w/Star Lance

Cast of Players
>6x Troupe - 2x Caress, Master w/Caress
>Shadowseer - Mastery Level 2
>Death Jester

Prince hangs out with Shining Spears - Farseer with Skyrunners, and Void Dreamer with Cloud Dancers. The idea for the psykers to is to be mobile and get key re-rolls on specific units when necessary.

>>50571473
1500 sounds nice.

>>50571453
>That's right, we are at the moment arguing on a Mongolian animal husbandry forum about what creature from Earth we should use as a naming basis for a nonexistent ship in a fictional universe.

Yes, because the correct answer is that the pictured creature is clearly a giant Tyranid space nautilus (or in the case of the group, nautili :^) and not a space snail. If it were on the ground it could be a space snail (assuming eg. it lives on asteroids or other objects without atmosphere but with an identifiable "ground"). It is not on the ground, it is a space nautilus.

Don't be silly, anon. It is obviously completely certain that the pictured creature is correctly referred to as a space nautilus and not a space snail.

Speaking of which I would like to note that space nautili are far superior to space snails
>space nautilus has tentacles, can star in Japanese pornography OR crush flimsy Eldar ships into pieces
>space nautilus has a more aesthetically pleasing shell shape
>space nautilus can probably maneuver way better than space snail (or, for that matter, space slug)
>space nautilus isn't a slimy gross piece of shit that dies to a bit of salt

tl;dr it's a space nautilus mother fucker

>>50571430

It's closer to 96 splinter cannon shots to down one factoring in FnP but no nova shield.That's roughly 8 venoms

>>50571213
>>50571338

Also, I don't HAVE to keep units from the RT or TAF in reserve. If I feel the DP is in danger of an untimely death, I can keep a unit or two on the table. The only threat there is drop pods with flamers, I think.

>>50571083
Bump.

>>50571510
Or anything Tau, or Hunter's Eye, or Perfect Timing, or Emperor's Wrath...

>>50571528

The goal there is to keep him out of LoS, then. DPs aren't actually that big.

>>50571501
>space nautilus has tentacles, can star in Japanese pornography OR crush flimsy Eldar ships into pieces
hot t b h

>>50568089

Nids and Cult

>>50571563
Emperor's Wrath and AoD bullshit don't give a shit about LoS.

>>50571474

I have no idea what any of the Harlies stuff does so I can't really comment on that. The Corsairs stuff all looks good to me. I would note that Balestrikes aren't usually the best use of points but I also like using them (either as 5x DL or exactly how you have them). You should have enough Scatter Lasers and Fusion Blasters to deal with most big threats.

However I'm a bit confused as to what your Baron is supposed to be doing. He's there to tank wounds for one of the MSU Fusion Blasters units, I guess? I usually give mine a Shimmerfield but they go in units of 10+ dudes to make sure it's not a total waste of money. So maybe the Shadowfield is fine.