Warhammer 40,000 general

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First for Genestealer Supremacy

>>50546435
Second for Resin (not Finecast) SoB Canoness confirmed.

>>50546474
third for Sisters are back baby!

This game needs more nukes.

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>>50546455
Reminder that it's not going to end well.

10th for T-Sons beeing ork tier

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Reposting this from the end of the last thread, hope that's okay.

I've been painting some IG up after seeing my friends pretty cool looking Tau, Space Wolves, and Tyranids armies and after watching a few games I was thinking about joining in on the actual dice rolling. I have a Leman Russ, a Cadian Command Squad, two Chimeras, and two Shock Troop squads. I was also thinking about picking up the start collecting box. Would this make a viable army? If not, what would be smart to add?

>>50546529
Nothing is Ork tier, not even Orks.

>>50546455

I know that 'picture related' is that weird typical genestealer armour, but it looks bit like a Terminator Armour.

Imagine that.

Genestealers in Terminator Armour.

>>50546542
"our troop choice is overpriced and sits in elite slot" is definitely ork tier

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>>50546435

>My favourite Traitor Legion are the Night Lords

I've been out the scene for a while, what's all this about traitor legions? We be 3rd Ed. again?

>>50546580
>overpriced
Not compared to Orks, not compared to Orks.

>>50546616
maybe. at least 3rd didn't have finecrap kits though

>>50546616
it takes all formations form other chaos suplements, adds maybe 2 new ones, which will be probably impossible to field like (3-8 units of termies, this formations get "random usless buff" if you take maximum amount of units - something like this was in new Wrath of Magnus).
Also mostly fluffy upgrade for legions: new spells and artifacts.

>>50546591
Holy shit, someone actually wore a suit with a fedora.

At least he made the effort. Could use a shave though.

He looks alright, mostly. But considering the fact that they're gaming, he's probably overdressed.

>>50546642
Honestly as long as Iron Warriors aren't every autists dream army again I think I'll manage.

I'm assuming only Tsons rules and models are known atm?

>>50546616
>>50546705

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines(7E)#The_Legions

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>>50546705

All rules are known, fool. Death Guard confirmed for best now and forever praise Nurgle (PBUH)

Anyone know where to get some cheap jump packs or cheap conversion methods? I got betrayal at calth and wanna turn all my tacticals into assault marines but not pay an arm and a leg

>>50546712
Im slowley becoming more and more happy with the alpha legions rules

>>50546705
most are summered here
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1446

WB get possessed as troops though.

>>50546747
genestealer cults - the chaos edition

>>50546712
>>50546731
Cheers lads, as I said haven't really been paying much attention to 40k.
Nice to see CSM aren't total shit any more.

>>50546699
I mean you can't hate the guy for actually trying to wear the full ensemble instead of the classic fedora, opened button-down shirt over some edgy fantasy art undershirt and shorts combo.

I still think fedoras should stay in the 20s where they belong but the guy at least made the effort.

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>>50546763
>WB get possessed as troops though.

Possessed are good though.

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>>50546543

>>50546828
wut?

since when? dont they have that stupid roll a mutation every turn still?

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Comments?

>>50546862

every assault phase.

>>50546862
Get a Favoured of Chaos formation, a DP and 3-5 units of Possessed.

They get:

Baleful Nexus of Warp Energies: Units of Possessed from the Favoured of Chaos that are within 12" of their Daemon Prince at the start of their Fight sub-phase receive the benefit of all three Mutations from their Mutation table, rather than only one.

>>50546902
traitors hate made them okay... just but they are to random to be effective.

>>50546930
How is this >>50546920 too random?

>>50546920
that sinks points away from more noise marines you crazy crazy man.

>>50546542
>Nobs in a Naught Tier

>>50546958
Hey, he asked. Don't you have space cocaine to snort out of the asshole of a daemonette?

>>50546953
as i said its okay, but a large points sink, also how could i make them for slaaanesh? kitbash deamonettes or dryads?

>>50546538
I haven't played Guard in years, so I'm getting back into it as well. I have no idea what works well anymore in this edition, but I've been watching a lot of battle reports and I see a lot of similar things.

Commander Pask in a Punisher with another Punisher
Chimeras
Company Command Squads with Astropaths casting Invisibility
Heavy Weapons Squads especially with Lascannons
At least 2 Infantry squads combined with a Commissar
Artillery pieces like Basilisks and Wyvern Batteries
Vendettas

I'm sure Leman Russ tanks are still good, but I've read talk about how they aren't good enough for the points they cost. So with what you currently have, you could do a Company Command Squad, 2 squads of Veterans in Chimeras, and Leman Russ as a Heavy Support. The problem is that your Company Command Squad doesn't really have much to do, or anywhere to go, so you might be better off not using one until you have more units.

Personally what I would do, if I were you, is get the start collecting box, which comes with 10 men and a Leman Russ. I would take a Tank Commander in a Leman Russ as your HQ. You have to take at least 1 other tank with the Tank Commander, so take the second Leman Russ from the starting box and put them together. Then create an Infantry Platoon with your Command Squad and 20 Guardsmen. Give the Platoon Command Squad the Chimera, then with the new 10 guys you get from the starting collection, make them Veterans and put them in a Chimera.

>>50546997
Possessed have crab claw arms, just use those and paint them Pink armoured and light purple skinned.

>>50547009
>>50546538
Oh I forgot, the starting box also comes with a Commissar Lord I believe. You could use him as a Commissar for the 20 men combined Infantry Squad.

>>50546538

You already have a legal CAD with transports for your troops. It's not "good" but it's playable.

If you want the best build you have to start buying artillery like Wyverns and tons of infantry to make Conscript squads and weapons platoons.

If you just want an army that doesn't lose every game, start buying more Leman Russes. The Start Collecting box is good because all the models will be useful, but the thing about it is you have to field them in that specific combo to get their bonus. If you remove the tank from them to add to your regular army, you can't use the Start Collecting box as its own detachment anymore. Which isn't a real problem as you can just add the infantry to your army as well, but you lose the special abilities the box gives.

If you buy the Start Collecting box you can field your army in two detachments: what you have now, and the Start Collecting box.

>>50546766
I wish- the (you) edition

>>50546982
dont worry Doomrider will hook me up once hes back

>>50546000
But, most likely, that single model is being used to test the waters to see if there are actually as many SoB (potential) players as there are people claiming to want them on the internet
So, while you certainly aren't forced to buy it if you don't like it, it's not just a situation of "I can just ignore that model and there will not be consequences"

>>50547163
which is the worry as ill get 2/3, any news if its just gw exclusive or will lgs get them?

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>>50546815
So you're saying 2020 they're gonna make a comeback?

When will the Imperial Agents Codex drop?

So I was just watching some painting videos and got to a WB one, and Duncan is wearing an Ultramarines shirt in it.

GW just loves rubbing it in, don't they?

>>50547219
Saturday pre order, out 17th.

>>50547210
Made to order, apparently, so probably the same as them.

>>50547009
>>50547066
Alright, cool thanks! So in terms of artillery what would be best? I really like the look of Basilisks, but I'm not sure how how they hold up when compared to manticores and wyverns.

>>50547220
bullying word weenies is a universal constant

>>50547163
Not sure I buy that, if they've got sisters ready to go for sometime Q1 next year (as rumoured) then the timescale's too short for this canoness to be testing the waters. They can't do all the design etc. that fast, the plastic sisters are either pretty much done right now and will be coming out no matter how the canoness sells, or they're not and they won't.

>>50547363
I feel like it's a teaser, to get hype going.

Do we know if there will be vehicles in the Imperial Agents codex, or it'll be just the single units so that you can easily add an ordo ally to your army?

Because if there are wouldn't that mean there is the possibility of putting the Sisters in a Drop Pod for a melta/flamer alpha strike?

Just starting up in 40k. Noise Marines or Jeanstealer Cult?

>>50547421
Jeanstealers

>>50547421
If you want to use the Noise Marines you'll want to buy/download this weekend the Traitor Legion supplement, that makes them actually worth playing as an army you'll still need the CSM codex
Other than that, it depends on what you want
Emperor's Children are a rather balanced army, able to do well both shooting and melee. However, even if rather elite, you'll still need a good number of models to play them to their full power, and the models are pretty dated
Genestealer Cult has awesome models and a really good melee focused horde army. The horde part, however, will mean that you will need a ton of models, that for a new player can result pretty difficult to model/paint

>>50547370
Or it's a companion to imperial agents in the same way the imperial space marine (and the resin Crimson Fist commander) was a companion to the retro books released at the same time.

>>50547399
I doubt they'll have non-dedicated pods. I'd be surprised if they had non-dedicated rhinos or chimeras.

It'll probably just be the crystallization of what the Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters books were trying to do.

>>50546828

They cost as much as two regular space marines, and all they get is a weak invuln save and slightly better melee. They don't even have grenades or boltguns. Just look at what loyalists get compared to these guys for their role(vanguard vets with discount power weapons, death company, wulfen) and weep.

Explain to me how to used Possessed without automatically losing to scatterbikes and similar fast shooty builds that are popular in the meta.

>>50547399
You can have what the Inquisiton codex has now, Valkyries, Chimeras, Rhinos, Razorbacks and Land Raiders, plus Corvus Blackstars.

Dreadknights are also available, apparently.

Is footslogging normal? At my GW I see a lot of people slogging their armies about rather than in transports, and I find that a bit odd. Is it just because we play on 4x4 tables, or is it normal?

Whenever I watch a batrep I always see either Rhinos, Chimeras or whatever else, but not in store.

>>50547522
I'm more pumped for the tidbit of Henchmen reworks, where it sounds like they'll work like Drones / Wolves and I could bring a Priest and a couple Crusaders to act as Stormshield support.

>>50547421
>jeanstealers
>a bunch of aliens invade JC Pennies

IN THE EMPEROR'S NAME THEY WILL NOT STEAL OUR PANTS

>>50547680
4x4 is a HUGE change to the meta

Marine footslog happens if they plan on defending, I play orkz so I always footslog one way or the other

>>50547680
Small tables would be the cause of that. 4x4 is cramped even in 1000 point games.

>>50547691
Yeah, I'm at least interested in what they'll do. Though rather than sister nonsense, I'd like to see more inquisition/henchman released.

The old third edition pewter models are amazing, but so limited.

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>>50546497
>denying the glory of the four-armed emperor

>>50547743
OK then. I ally in Chimerae for my Admech which helps a bunch, but I dont think many people want to pay £15 for a literal metal box or metal tube.

>>50547745
Yeah, it sucks, especially when we only have one 4x4 in the whole shop because one table is displaying the starter sets, one is painting and one is half taken up with the new Blood Bowl display.

Do they seriously think some pretty models will attract more business than people actually having fun?

>>50546455
Enjoy reassimilation

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Nth for Space Marines have horse cocks!

>>50547891
Take it to wherever /furry/ is.

Confirmed that Imperial Agents includes:
>Inquisition,
>Officio Assassinorum,
>Deathwatch,
>Grey Knights,
>Adepta Sororitas,
>Cult Mechanicus,
>Adeptus Astra Telepathica,
>Aeronautica Imperialis,
>Legion of the Damned

>>50547891
Again, it's faces. And trying to bullshit by comparing it to Shakespeare is terrible of you.

>>50547949

Source.

>>50547955
Show your citations. Give me another example of literature where the author used the word "Equine" to describe anything other than either a horse, or an enormous dick.

>>50547949

I thought it was going to have Custodes and Sisters of Silence?

>>50547949
Adepta Sororitas

Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors

Battle Psykers & Astropaths

Priest

Deathwatch Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars

Grey Knight Terminators & Nemesis Dreadknights

The Legion of the Damned

Assassins

Inquisitors & Valkyries

>>50547982
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

>>50547830
yeah that's awful

you can maybe be the positive change in your store if you tell them though

My store only had 3 wargaming tables, after a month of coming in regularly and playing, I ended up chatting with the owner, on a Saturday I had off I helped him build 4 more

a year and a half later he bought more and expanded the shop, now eight tables and we always have them full on game night

>>50547949

>Cult Mechanicus

Wanna know how I know you're making shit up?

>>50548032
Read for yourself >>50548007

>>50548032
Hahah. >>50548007

>>50547982
>>50547990
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

>>50547990
WD did say so, but things change.

Probably why it didn't have the Canoness in there either.

>>50548092
nor the winter board

also Matt is a WAACfag apparently.

>>50548007

Oh fucking excellent. So I still need to do dumb allies bullshit to get AdMech in one list.

>>50548092
So it's a matter of determining which source is more correct, WD or WC.

>>50548135
It's one or two units, not the entire fucking codex. And it's probably the Enginseer and Servitors.

>>50548027
I might ask, but it's a small inner-city GW so I doubt there would be room.
So far I'm planning 30k Mechanicum, so at least I won't have as many models on the table as my opponents tend to. The GSC guy is the worst, he has about 14 vehicles in his normal list, plus the usual hordes of infantry.

>>50548135

Man, rejoice they didnt squish half of admech into 1/9 of a book. If there's anything in there besides an enginseer and his helpers i will be surprised.

>>50548064
What was so fucking restrictive about 1 HQ 1 troop for allying in shit you want?

I play Admech and you can all get the fuck away from my bloops, but feel free to take as many Electro Priests as you want.

>>50548139
WC is more recent, so assume that until proven otherwise, is my opinion.

>>50548178

Skitarii don't have HQs.

So to take allies, they have to include 2 troops as a tax.

Reposting from last thread:

Traitor Legions has given me inspiration to finish my Word Bearer's host: I'm trying to come up with some unique markings/insignia/adornments to put on their armor, especially stuff I can do to personalize squads and give them a sort of common 'theme'. I'm thinking of faking some of the Colchis star markings like Duncan talks about in the HH video for painting word bearers, and doing a similar marking for each squad (Each Squad being a small subset of the Word Bearers cult, who do chaos rituals together for religious purposes).

Any ideas of what else I can do to personalize my marines?

>>50548173
When I first made my Mechanicum list it was 10 models, then I decided that 1 Thanatar is enough and managed to get 22 models.

>>50548135
Pfft. Cry some more. Every Imperial Faction update is an update to your codex.

Filthy goddamned Xenos don't have 8 books worth of options working together. Tau is literally a faction made of allies in the fluff, and they have zero allies.

>>50548007

Are those Sisters in the first image new?

>>50548088
Matt is a WAACfag

>>50548244
I am planning at least 20 adsecularis, so I will have quite a few, but yeah. How did you find the Thanatar in your games? I feel that with a little cybertheurgy it could be an unkillable monster of death.

>>50548259
>first image
....The Space Marine scouts?

>>50548215
Oh shit, you mean you have to take 2 of the best basic infantry in the game? Well shit, fuck that.

You don't ally in Skitarii for Sicarians, they work well in their codex but work best in synergy with other Skitarii shit. Onagers are the only thing I can imagine being useful in any army, because it outclasses all other Imperial AA for the price.

>>50548135
>"this will not replace existing printed codexes . . . his just means that, if you want to add a small strike force . . . this book makes it easy for you to do so."

>>50548289

My bad, third image.

>>50548088
Matt is a WAAC faggot

>>50548276
With a little brother Magos Dominus sitting next to it all game, it's pretty much unkillable unless it gets bogged down in melee, its paltry attacks means that any decent sized unit can render it useless for the entire game.

But when it DOES get to fire, jesus fuck, nothing survives, you want armour save, nah, AP2, you want cover, nah, -1 to cover from Targetting array and you have to re-roll successful cover saves.

I had one focus fire on some Deathwing and it just tore them to pieces, and of course it's the perfect fire magnet because it's super killy but also insanely tough with that 2+ T8 and giving zero shits about poison.

Be wary of 40k grav though, that will fuck them up.

>>50548316

Those are the same old sisters

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>>50548316

No. They're the same old metals.

Please, Mork in da Warp, hear my prayer. Please, give ya boyz a good 8th Codex.

Shower us in reasonably strong units and formations, so that we may compete, but don't become Eldar levels of fucking stupid to play against.

And put Without Number somewhere, FFS.

>>50548374
OK, I think I'll bubblewrap it with a nice Thrall screen then. It's 300 already, what's another 100 ;).
So it can have my backup Dominus as a friend, anyway. I doubt I will be fighting grav anyway, no other Mechanicum players who could bring Myrmidon Destructors. I feel it will wreak havoc on the Death Guard swarms I see my friend amassing, as well as Guilliman and his termie friends.
Rengening a wound a turn from cybertheurgy should make it more or less invincible to shooting anyway.

January 7th

It begins.

>>50548501

Wat

>>50548511
The 13th Black Crusade. It begins properly January 7th.

Good month for new models.

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Do you think the resin model will b complete new one or will it be this girl here

>>50548511
IA14.

>>50548088
Matt is a WAACfag

>>50548549
New one, based on the old Blanche cover.

>>50548551
Nah, it's not FW, it's GW really getting things started. It's basically the run up to 8th. It starts then.

>>50544784
>being this assravaged about having your sueflake trash faction properly called out
>like 4 paragraphs worth of 'tism tantrum AKHKHCHUALLY

M8, just accept it. "Plucky upstart bests expert veterans" can be cool, but not when it's this brand of wank.

Necrons operate on perfect "we finished science" machine code with some spirit-input, and have no biological restraints on their aerial maneuverability. Suddenly taking Plucky Upstart to "HOLY FUCK SOULLESS ROBOT LITERALLY REGAINS CONSCIOUSNESS AT HIS OPPONENT'S IMMACULATE MASTERY OF AIR WARFARE" is three orders of magnitude above retarded.

>>50548614
Just the simple durability / limitations of a fleshy meat sack limits what aerial bullshit you can do.

Do you think they will address the issue of Deathwatch HQs unable to take stalker pattern bolt guns?!

>>50548088
I don't know Matt and I'm not willing to denounce a stranger for the empty, unworkable promise of weal from from some faggot on 4chan.

>>50548614

>IMMACULATE MASTERY OF AIR WARFARE

Tau are jedi

>>50548782
>Tau are jedi
Bullshit. Jedi are all about close combat fighting.

Tau don't even have an option to take Chain-katanas, let alone Power Swords.

>>50548851
>WhoisAun'Shi

>>50548730
>'issue'
if thats all you have to complain about, then go tp the back on the line

Don't suppose anyone could get me a photo of the Rubric Marines dataslate could they (from Wrath of Magnus)?

While you're at it, if anyone has photos of the Word Bearers rules and Decurion from Traitor Legions that would be perfect.

Thanks guys!

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>>50548950
Traitors Legion not out yet

>>50548851

>Jedi are all about close combat fighting
>Bullshit

Young Anakin, Obi WLAN etc perfect natural pilots

>>50549014


Those crap flamers should be free swith

>>50549014
>tfw soul reaper doesn't give you warp charges for each casualty inflicted
Might be worth bring 325 point fucking unit then

>>50549014
>7 points
>for a flamer with warpflame
>something that buffs your enemies

fucking wew

>>50549014
Thanks for that!

Yeah, but I know there were a few photos of the WoM stuff about before that was released so wasn't sure if anything had cropped up for Traitor legions yet. I guess not.

>>50548930
What are some other silly written things out there? I still cant believe there is rules for banebolts for the stalker boltgun... but no one can ever use them. I know its really nothing, but id like to know some other derp writing moments

dudes
what do think about using a converted Konrad Curze model to make a NL daemon prince?

>>50548749
Trust us, he's a huge waacfag cheesemaster.

Which is funny because he plays nids

>>50549064
hey brah, its also ap 4
ap 4 man

>>50549123
I think you should stop looking for validation in your life and do the things that makes you happy.

Be a man.

>>50548088
Matt is a WAACfag

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>>50549064
>>50549014

> Golden ticket to revamp one of the shittiest units in the game
> Lets give it Flamers
> No, lets give it *AP4 Flamers with Waarpflame*
> Haha yeah this'll be a shot in the arm for those Tzeentch players!

Except these Flamers are on S&P infantry who cannot Overwatch and are inexplicably more expensive
and nobody used Flamers of Tzeentch because even with Jump Packs and a price cut, they are shit.

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I love the new TS terminators models and I wanted to make a Tzeentch army for a long time.

What's the most efficient way to run those fuckers ?

I was thinking maybe take a sekhmet conclave and then some choas daemons of tzeentch as allies.

What do you think ? I usually play 1750pts games so I can't go all out and benefits from the reroll 1s rule from wrath of magnus

>>50549163
doesnt matter when you will eventually be giving your enemy a 4+ FnP and god forbid they have 3+ or better armor or an invul or you just doubled their suitability. And you PAYED to do that

>>50549064
>charged by smashfucker prime
Do you want to overwatch?
N-no
Why
Because he'll only grow stronger!

Do we have any news on the battleforce formations yet?

>>50548501
thats my birthday, how nice of them to think of me. unless they age of sigmar 40k also, then what a shitty birthday

>>50549120
>the whole ork codex
>large chunks of the nid dex
>the co0re chaos codex
theses more, but i am lazy. being a non- imperial/eldar/tau is suffering

>>50549191
yeah if you cant get the re-rolling 1s your best bet is the +1 toughness formation for survivability. For demon allies you would want horrors and heralds for bodies and stopping power

>>50549188
i want the White dwarf flamers of tzeentch back.
you know, the ones with ap2, wounding and glancing on 4+
with eternal warrior

>>50549213
>he dosent get sarcasm
ap 4 is often worthless, and at 30ppm, you have to ask yourself why?

>>50549172
what if anon is a grill though?

>>50549272
Then be a man. Mulan did it.

>>50549172
Yeah bitch. Just wanted to know what people think about it or if may generate any grudge (not being large enough, modeling for advantage and other usual complains).

Not that I need false authority advices from a random dude.

>>50549191
i am really not sold on the hellfyre missle rack.
its a so much tuned down version of the typhoon missle launcher.
>24" S8 ap 3 heavy 2
>no S4 ap 6 heavy 2 blast option
>cannot fire the combi bolter aswell as the missle
>you cannot give the scarab occult sorceror the missle rack so the force weapon + energy sword option wouldnt be so shitty.

>>50549243
I don't. Those were fucking stupid to deal with.

ap2 flame templates are something that shouldn't exist

>>50549237
The problem is that it gives me a shit ton of WC but not very much anti armor nor anti air and chaos daemons aren't particularily known to be good to deal with that. Especially if I limit myself to an allied detachment (battleforged armies are mandatory at my LGS)

>>50549317
i was joking. played it once and ohhh boy. those screamers and flamers aswell as kairos reroll invul aura was just nuts

>>50549188

I actually do use flamers. I play Tzeentch daemons and like to not lean too heavy on psykers 'cause it turns it into all or nothing.

Wanted to be able to use tsons as a source of more reliable shooting allied in.

>7 point more expensive non-jump flamers who swap their second wound for a 3+

woooooooo

>>50549284

Curze is a bit smaller than a proper DP as he is 40mm terminator sized and not 60mm MC sized.

The most important part is the base size. Luckily Curze comes on a 60mm base and DP wings don't count for gaming purposes as stated in the rule book. If you use Curze on his diorama base, he is too tall, which is generally fine as that is a disadvantage.

So...

Best option: Curze standing on his 40mm base rubble but glued to the 60mm base

Ok option: Curze on his entire giant 60mm base

Don't do this option: Curze on a 40mm

>>50549282
Let's get down to business

>>50549290
I thought that at first, but I have warmed to it since.
- In one respect I consider it an upgrade to the combi-bolter, having the same range and AP but with 2xStrength.
- Secondly, it is one of the only sources of much needed ranged anti-vehicle (if only light Vehicles and Walkers), alongside the situational rending effect of the Soulreaper Cannon and a couple of lucky rolls on certain Psychic Disciplines i.e. Doombolt or some of the Haywire effect powers.

>>50549191
If you love the termis 3 groups of 5 Termis with missiles and assault cannon/flamer is 900 points. Add your warlord and auxillary choice however you want for rerolling peril results and and extra spell cast (you'll mostly be rolling on Tzeentch so hope for doombolt). Add demons so you actually have warp charges to use.

>>50549333
>not very much anti armor
Have you seen the tzeentch demon tree? It has strength D shots in it as well as the ability to summon flaming chariots and exalted flamers for their d3 lascannon shots. And then there is the warpflame host option for its S7 flickering fire. TSons have no anti-tank, tzeentch demons do

>>50549414
i mean, for 300 points you can have a squad that shits out
>3 TL str 4 ap3 shots
>3 str 5 ap 3 rending shots
>2 str 8 ap 3 shots
and have a ML 2 psyker( who admittedly is tied to one of the shitist lores, and the worst force weapon)

i mean competitively they are fucking bad, but they'd be okay in fun games

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>>50549014

>Aspiring Sorcerers used to have force swords
>now they have force staves

>buy our new plastic kits or your Thousand Sons army won't be WYSIWYG anymore, go- er.. guys!

>>50549414
for vehicle killing i prefer going for stuff like heretech powers. good support aswell as good anti vehicle powers

>>50549450
>the tzeentch demon tree

Is this in Wrath of Magnus ? Didn't reed the Daemons part.

>>50549463
actually it is:
>3-6 TL S4 AP 3 shots
>4 S5 AP3 rending shots
>2S8 AP3 shots.

at least activating the force weapon immediatly gives the scarab occult terminators a 3+ invulnerable save.

>>50549504
It is in curse of the wulfen but can be found online really easily.

>>50549188

The player at my club, who runs all Chaos all the time, considers Flamers to be a good unit, as a solution to infantry giving you problems. Basically don't waste points on them, but remember they're an option if you are using the summoning toolbox and have to fight a bunch of Ork Boyz or something.

>>50549317

That weapon was never completely removed from the game, it's now just a randomly generate power on the CSM Tzeentch psychic table. So no more entire squads of it unless you're running a War Cabal.

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With the new World Eater rules, will this guy finally be able to breakout of the tree? Will there be blood and Tau tears?

>>50549363
thx for the tip :)

>>50549188
>>50549339
>>50549591
They're a sub-par unit in a strong codex that lacks shooting and lacks assault grenades.

Tons of people take them to flush troops out of cover.

>>50549614

Whats the state of Dark Angels in BL? Is there still earth shattering secrets revealed in every book?

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im so glad i got the collectors edition. the psychic cards alone make me diamonds.

>>50547539

Any actual proof?

>>50549747
those are pretty cute

>>50549747
bretty cool anon, they sure are handsome cards

>>50549752
Guy on Dakka said so, before GW confirmed Ad Mech were in the book.

Then the guy who leaked WoM and TL confirmed as much as he could while being under an NDA.

>>50549527
i mean its a lot of ap 3, but they really need a way to have -cover. its always so frustrating that they cant take divination

>>50549830
Exalted sorcerers can

>>50549830
but anon, they do can take divination now.

>>50549688
If they actually publish a Liber Maleficus with all those extratcs and more new, I'm fucking buying it.
Always found these the most enjoyable and entertaining pieces of fluff from the demons and forces of chaos books

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In your opinion, what kind of rules/stats simplification we will see in 8e?

>>50549906
What we will see: I don't fucking know. GW is Tzeench incarnate and could come out with the weirdest overhauls or not do much at all.

What I want to see: More clarification of what can happen when. Too much time is spent looking through the rule book to see if certain rules/situations prevent/allow another situation.

>>50549906

As much as I would hate it, simplified to hit and wound rules I imagine

The wounds system used by monsters adopted for 40k monsters

>>50549830
Thousand Sons can take Divination though. Ordinary Sorcerers in a TS Army can't, but the Exalted Sorcerer can and so can the Scarab Occult Sorcerer.
Obviously both are limited by the MoT forcing one power from the Tzeentch table (meaning only 1 roll for the ML2 Scarab Occult Sorcerer and 2 for the Exalted Sorcerer) but there are some pretty good combos with them.

If you take an Exalted Sorcerer with the Helm of the Third Eye (gives them Overwatch) in a unit of Rubric Marines then cast Foreboding (Overwatch at full BS) that's an awful lot of AP3 shots coming at whatever wants to charge them!

>>50549747
That's actually pretty cool.. Got any more images to share?

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>>50549880
>>50549830

sorry its blurry but its right below daemonology in the second row.

you rather want geomortis though. some more useful powers aswell as one that grants you ignore cover, move through cover and ignoring line of sight.

>>50549830
>What is geomortis

>>50549986
sure, what do you want?

do we got a actual traitors hate PDF currently? i cant find it on the MEGA

>>50549998
Any particular reason These Terminators cannot Deep Strike?

>>50550017
Rather interested in the bonuses such as the details of the tokens and the other little goodies. Also a better idea of how it looks as it's like 3 separate books rather than one big one right?

>>50550047
I thought termi armour gave you deepstrike?

>>50549972

But that is only 1/6th of the time. The rest you don't get the combo and have marginally effective overwatch before they get locked in combat for the rest of the game.

Having access to all the disciples is one thing but there is no reliability unless the power you want is a primaris.

>>50550047
they can, Termi Armor has deep strike on it.

>>50550047
Isn't Deep Strike included in the rules for Terminator Armour?
Not listed in the 'Special Rules' section.

>>50549014
>Thousand sons are good guys! Stop complaining!

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>>50549955
>simplified to hit and wound rules
AoS level of simplification or something different?

>>50550119

AoS level, the 40k battle for vedros set already uses it

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>>50550053
they really did a great job, here is the box

>>50550008
A lore with like 3 good spell, only one of which is ignores cover

>>50550141
Does it?

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Annual reminder.

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>>50550053
bottom row 4 soulblaze markers
from bottom right to top objective markers 6-1

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>>50550047
book about the fluff

>>50550178
divination also has multiple shit ones also only one ignores cover.

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>>50550053
this book contains all the tzeentch daemons aswell as the detatchment. take codex: Chaos daemons along with it and you are good to go. its around 30 pages, so a lot easier to carry arround.

>>50549887
Is that not what the Apocrypha book is full of, old fluff and stuff?

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>>50550247
But thats wrong. everything bar 6 is good in divination, and the primaris is the best in the game

>>50550178
same could be said about divination

>tfw just got email from Grishnak about their plastic sisters

Man, it's tempting.

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>>50550053
just like the daemon one, this one has all thousand son stuff + detatchment in it. its around 40 pages. good to tag along the csm codex.

>>50549727
Absolutely godawful. Hilariously the only good Dark Angel books are in the HH of all things, written by ADB of all people. Everybody else just shits on us in terms of literary quality. Even by BL standards the Legacy of Caliban books were fucking retarded. On top of that all ambiguity of the dark angels is dead thanks to the HH.

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>>50550053
2 sided poster. obviously this one is about the system in which the story takes plase

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>>50550279
>twinlinked
>full BS overwatch (termintos, normal marines, havoks)
>4++ (goes to a 3++ with MoT)
>ignore cover
>re-roll everything for the charicter
>rending against a unit

sure, they are really bad, man you are such a tactical genius

>>50550319

Does it feel like it's worth the £120/ £75 extra? Like comparing it to say a normal Codex does the quality feel better?

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>>50550053
the other side of the poster.
this one will hang in my new hobby room in case i get the new appartment. wish me luck :)

but thats all i have to share about it.

>>50549906
I have no clue what we will see, but I'm curious how the keyword system that AoS has would work with 40k. I mean in AoS I hear you can use a lot of different armies' units together because they have similar keywords, and the rules interact with those instead of specific models.

Then again it could just become another really really convoluted rule that needs tons of clarification like >>50549939 said.

I'm not sure how I feel about those wound charts on monsters. I mean, if they limit it to things that are currently monstrous creatures, like Riptides and the like, then it could make those things less obnoxious. You wouldn't have to necessarily kill a Riptide for it to become ineffective, just wound it a few times and it loses its abilities or a few weapons.

But if they do something dumb and extend that chart to Hull points on vehicles it will literally be the same problems as before but with a new name. At least in my opinion.

>>50549688

Nice Khornate dubs.

The tree seems like a good inspiration for a daemon prince, helbrute, or chaos spawn. A once-mortal spirit who gave in to Khorne's blood rage so completely that he has lost his sentience, transformed into a mindless, ever-hungering witch-tree whose roots thirst for the blood of the enemy.

>>50548088
Matt is a WAACfag

>>50550275
>scarab occult terminators
>TL bolters
>wanting reroll to hit power

>>50548749
Oh sir, you could correct that in all of 5 minutes, then hope for good luck like the rest of us.

>>50550200
Is the WK a Garg creature now too?

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>>50550281
Fucking do it. You KNOW Grishnaks' look fucking great. GW plastic sisters could be months away, and we don't know whether they'll look actually good, or just "I never thought this day would come" good.

>>50549955

>The wounds system used by monsters adopted for 40k monsters

This might actually add some more balance to the game. Tau "monsters" could take damage and lose weapons like vehicles when "wounded", while Tyranids(a legit monster faction) could just get angrier and angrier.

>>50547983
Burden of proof is on you to establish the author used "equine face" to mean cock.

Jesus, not even actual gays think so much about dick.

>>50547315
Basilisks are hampered by a 36" minimum range. My personal preference is Wyverns, with a Medusa pair to do the really big shooting.

>>50550349
I'm jell. Gratz Anon.

>>50550335
>buffing a single character
>full BS overwatch in shooting:the edition
>3+ invul on Tsons already piss easy to get (but admittedly good for most other factions)
>rending against a single unit
Better than geomortis overall but a lot of the powers just become redundant when applied to Tsons meanwhile geomortis offers a lot of things that Tsons could use

>>50550346
yes absolutely. i bought the daemon collectors edition book from curse of the wulfen allready and wasnt dissapointed there.

so i did not really hesitate to get this one either. especially since i got around 12k points of pre heresy thousand sons. it was a must buy.

the books in general are softer on the touch and seem more durable. it really is a quality improvement and worth beeing titled a collectors item.

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>>50550431

It's very tempting. Just shy of $30 for the set of 5, and it comes with a set of combi. If I drop $100, that gives me the rest of the combi-plasma I actually need.

>>50550476
How does one go about ordering these russian mail brides?

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>>50550476
>3rd party sister models that don't look like dogshit

>>50550335
Whilst I completely agree with you that Divination is a fantastic Discipline and was just about to question that comment myself - like seriously, it's one of the best - I suppose it cold be argued it is not as good in a Thousand Sons army now, which may have been that comments intent as that was what was being discussed.

- Twin-Linked = Fantastic (especially with AP3 Bolters)
- Full BS Overwatch = Again great on Terminators and Rubrics with Helm that allows Overwatch.
- 4++ = Not as good in this army! Great cast on Tzaangors or standard CSM units, but Rubrics and Scarab Occult come with a 4++ as standard which can be buffed to 3++ with any blessing (as per Blessing of Tzeentch)
- Ignores Cover = Another fantastic power with AP3 weapons
- Character re-rolls = handy for witchfires etc, but not as good in a Sons army as you want the blessing on the whole unit for the +1 Inv. Good on a solo Disc Sorcerer though!
- Rending = decent! Turns AP3 bolters to AP2 which they don't have a lot of
- the final Divination power is just awful

So I guess in a Thousand Sons army there is only 3 or 4 you really want, but they still all have a use and to write it off completely is silly.

>>50550476
those are pretty nice honestly

honestly, i'd say go for it. decent sisters models aren't easy to find, and this is an okay deal and fine models. though you may want to see if they release new sisters models next year

b-because they have to release new ones soon, right?

Where do I find pdfs or epubs of Imperial Armour and Aeronautica that aren't blurred to shit and illegible?

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>>50550490

I sent them an email at the end of July, and they just responded because they weren't ready to sell. They sent me a PayPal address.

>>50550503

I know. They're amazing. I think I'll splurge on a set of 4.

>>50550542

Hah. HAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

I've been playing Sisters since early 4th edition. I'll believe they'll release plastics when the models are in my hand.

On top of that, I have money set aside. I can spare $120 bucks for a few sets.

>>50550335
>TL
OS have default tl bolters

>Full BS overwatch
No one plays CC units

>4++
Allready have that

Great lore indeed

>>50550565
try begging in the pdf thread

but there's another way i know of

go to this shady website, it's called games workshop. they've got downloadable pdfs of all the codices and rules. it might cost a bit, but it's worth it.

>>50549906

I think looking at how most CATs layout their rules would be a good place to start.

Having a set order the each step of each phase is performed would go a long way to simplifying how various rules interact with each other, especially if they moved to having most special rules covered by key words.

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>>50550490
Made me giggle, thx m8

>>50550585
I was discussing Sisters with my local blackshirt. He's a cool guy otherwise, but when I mentioned Grishnak he got pretty triggered and was like "If I was a complete douche, I'd forward them to corporate because Grishnak is striaght up copyright infringement". He was cool with "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy", though.

Maybe people wouldn't do that shit if plastic sisters were made...

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>>50550659

>People ask for shit for a decade
>don't offer shit
>Someone else does
>gets buttmad about

Sounds like GW

Are Blood Angels and Space Wolves similar or are they mirror images?

Blood Angels being more offensive and Space Wolves being more defensive?

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>>50550349
feel like posting this version

>>50550659
>let's not release any content for this faction for 10 years
>tg makes fan codices and the chinks make recasts
>oh shit my copyright and shekels!

>>50550476
The funny thing about those models is the fact that they probably already look better than the GW SoB minis that will be released somewhere in the future.

>>50550706
Ones a Vampire, the other is a Werewolf.

>>50550724
I mean in terms of play style and tactics.

>>50550707
:)

i wish i could a better scaled version for my desktop. stretching it looks like shit

>>50550707
oh, just saw that compared to the poster, this one is cropped.

>>50550453

Fair enough then.
Thanks for the images, I was tempted myself but my wage and living condition is poor as is. So it's a shame I can't grab it. But at least I'll consider the Limited prints more in the future.

someone got the traitors hate book as epub/mobi or pdf? the MEGA does not got it

>>50550659
I can't argue. The Order of Grishnak's Vigil is good because they look like Sisters of Battle. TGITG or WE, at least have noticeable style differences.

I can't blame anyone for wanting Grishnak over the the expensive, heavy GW pewters. Especially if they already have a bunch of GW pewters.

>>50548088
Matt is a WAACfag but Dave is best husbando

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>>50550723

Honestly, you're probably right. I wouldn't doubt it. Their stuff has been getting better, but they don't know when to stop with their details. It's like they finish a sculpt, spray it with glue, and drunk it into a bucket of accessories and shit.

>>50550802

I have 2000 points of sisters including a blob of 20 battle sisters, so yea. Then again, part of that is only having 5 Immolators.

>>50550707
I really like theyr style, thanks anon!

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been out of the stuff for some time,
who the fuck are Thousand Sons

>>50550882
>Honestly, you're probably right. I wouldn't doubt it. Their stuff has been getting better, but they don't know when to stop with their details. It's like they finish a sculpt, spray it with glue, and drunk it into a bucket of accessories and shit.

show me an example

>Admech battleforce preordered
Aw yis son

>shit load more to paint
Aw shis son

Retard here. Can Exalted Sorcerers take powers from the Discipline of Change? Or is it specifically just the Tzeentch discipline?

>>50550970
Have you tried reading their entry in the book?

>>50550903
Chaos Space Marine subfaction. Whole legion, with a single exception, is made up of super powerful sorcerers and the dusty remains of their non-psychic brethren bound into suits of power armor.

>>50550441
Shit, you're right it is 36 minimum range. I guess I won't be using my Basilisk. I have a Manticore kit. Is that worth taking?

>>50550903
One of the original legions. How 'long' have you been out for?

>>50550926

The new Thousand Sons are covered with lines and bits that go everywhere, especially the exalted sorcerers

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>Exalted Sorcerers, Aspiring Sorcerers, and Scarab Occult Sorcerers all only get Force Staves
Welp, guess I know what models I'll be using for all the regular Sorcerers in my list.

I'm absolutely astounded at how good Traitor Legions seems to be after the shitshow that is Wrath of Magnus.

Hey checking because leaks don't make in clear to me, does it look like all of the compulsory VotlW legions get it for free, or only a few?
Cheers anons.

>>50551085

Can't wait for that sweet epub to really take a look.

>>50550944
I want to want to paint. I know I have to, but I've been so busy with finals that I've had 3 primed kataphrons sitting on my desk for a month, and I have unassembled rowbutts to build, prime, and paint after that.

I also want to play, but I don't wanna show up with unpainted models

>>50551085
Please watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOLM7dXiyk&t=277s
You are welcome

>>50551127

I know how you feel. I have about 15 Sisters to paint that have needed painting for years now. On top of that, I have more shit to paint, but I work second shift and can't muster the will power to do anything when I get home from work because I hate my job so much.

It feels bad, man.

>>50550476
I contact that guy on July, just today I got any response from him

Hello, my friend.
I apologize for a late reply.
We had just finished all our preparations and now we are ready to sell our models.
The price is:
1 pack of War Maidens (5 girls) – 28$ (USD)
The shipping price is 6,5$ (USD) for 1-3 packs of WM. +2,5$ for each additional 1-3 packs.

>>50550903
a chaos space space marine legion that's been around at least since 3rd edition

>>50550991
i would say 10+ years

Skitarii Start Collecting + Admech Battleforce + Knight Errant/Paladin is basically the minimum needed for a War Convocation, right?

>>50551153
Ain't my model, just the first result on Google.

My Aspiring Sorcerers are either freshly primed or sitting in Simple Green. Haven't put brush on a CSM since High School. Not that my skills have improved much since then, but I at least know to THIN MY PAINTS now.

Not sure how much of that video will be applicable for me anyways. Probably going to do a darker blue (or a metallic blue) for my armor base, and I've got 16 old rubricae to chew through before I'll be getting any of the far more detailed new rubricae.

>>50548088
Matt is a WAACfag

>>50548088
The question is would you say it to his face?

>>50551313
Maybe, but if I'm playing him I would go waacfagging my self.

>>50551313

Yeah? What's he going to do about it? Lay you out with his chinese gats?

So as a general rule is it better to go with an Exalted Sorcerer or a regular Sorcerer? Can make very cheap Sorcerers but once you start pimping him out he gets up to the cost of an Exalted one quickly

>>50551333

They're Mormon so no violence

>>50551272
Yeah actually the same as me, Duncan is amazing, but I don't have all those paints neither.

>>50551175
I'm sorry you hate your job anon.
What do you do?

>>50551389
>yfw he is /tg/'s moderator

>>50551380
I appreciate his videos, but I miss the old, rather more basic painting guides they had on their website. Watching Duncan tends to make me discouraged since he makes things look so effortless and quick.

>>50551093
Never mind, pattern obvious I'll be paying for my shit now.

>>50551423
Honestly I've always batch painted, so Starting step by step gets my shit TT and I can add highlights and shit as I have time/ paints.

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Chaos bikers or seekers?

>>50551440

You and I both know we say that but we're never actually going to go back and add those highlights.

>>50551343
Depends on a lot of things Anon. Like how much are you pimping out that sorc? Definitely go the Exalted if you're getting near the same cost. Even just the extra wound is nice.

>>50551218

That's the one, lol

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>>50550200
>New Tyranid monsters are same size or even bigger than Hierodules

>Constructing a space marine squad with two different kits
>one turns out one comes with 32 instead of 25
Would certain marines being on different bases be a problem?

>>50551389

I work preconstruction with metal for buildings and shit. The pay is shit, the company is shit, and the higher up attitude is shit.

>>50551447

>space rusade

what did they mean by this?

>>50551492
Nah, the difference would be so small. Nobody would really make that big a deal over it. You might get the odd person at a tournament who thinks you're trying to cheat but nobody is really gonna care.

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dayum, should i become space furry guise?

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>>50551421
>/tg/ mod
>working

>>50551343
If you're doing the melee beatstick thing, go Exalted.

Otherwise, go regular. For a bare ML3 with a Spell Familiar, the Exalted is 60 points more expensive, and the Lord of the Silver Tower ain't worth 60 points.

Remember that you'll be getting +1 Invuln when blessed and any squad that's wanting to be in melee definitely wants to be Blessed, so don't bother buying Sigils of Chaos. Just stick with the Aura of Dark Glory (Exalted has is base).

>>50551492
No, it'll look funny. Personally I'm a fan of the 32 on MEQ's, as it helps to make them look much more imposing relative to other infantry.

>>50551568
exalted sorceror is not 60 points for lord of the silver tower you gain more:
> +1 BS, W, I, A
> aura of dark glory
> mark of tzeentch
considering the mark of tzeentch + aura of dark glory is 30 points on its own allready, the exhalted sorceror is not that much overcosted compared to a regular sorc, plus he has access to divination, which the regular sorc does not have.

>>50549468
Jokes on you old TS were dog shit with a shit sorcerer, at least the new one isn't a squated dressed sorcerer with goofy arms.

>>50551555
Trips confirm based filename

>>50551456
I just put one of the half painted models on my desk and wait for OCD to take me.

>>50551604
And then theres Ahriman...

>>50551543
if you want to

>>50551093
They're free!

>>50551629
gotta agree that he is overcosted a bit but he got buffed significantly with the disc option aswell as blessing of tzeentch.

activating force stave = 3+ invul
disc of tzeentch = move 12" fire off 3x psychic shriek, then turboboost off 24"
disc of tzeentch makes you a jetbike, which grants you +1 T. so he isnt that easy to instagib anymore aswell.

>>50551644
Oh shit, nice.

>>50551604
A base Thousand Sons Sorcerer with Mastery Level 3 and a Spell Familiar, which should be the default load-out, is 140. A base Exalted with Mastery Level 3 and a Spell Familiar is 200. I included the Mark of Tzeentch in that figure because you will always need to buy it.

Aside from the Lord of the Silver Tower and Divination, all of the Exalted's benefits are melee oriented. Melee isn't exactly in vogue right now, and you often won't want to seek it out yourself (nor will you be able to generally). Divination is nice, but too many of your potential targets are already rerolling 1's or have Twin-Linked, and the rest of the discipline is just too much of a crap-shoot. You're better off going for a discipline with better odds of a good spell.

>>50551642
well this looks kinda sick

>>50551655
>activating force stave = 3+ invul
If you get siphon magic with your roll on Tzeentch it could be good as well.

Still though its 260 points for a guy with no familiar who will probably die to perils.

>>50551672
considering you can reroll perils in the detatchment, its not that bad.

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>>50551543

Their new HQs look even better.

>>50550707
Okay I have to admit that the size of their helmets is just ridiculous.

>>50549527
>implying they wont die to massed ap5 shots

>>50551492

Both bases are legal. Any problems that arise would be solely from your own perspective or your opponent being a faggot.

Smaller bases are harder to get in assault with, but also dodge more blasts and hide more easily.

>>50551353
And yet his empire is built on violence

>>50550200
that hurts to know

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>>50551543
Spacewolves just look so fucking dumb
>Excuse me while I ride around on a giant fucking wolf while wearing a wolf pelt with my wolf styled helmet with my thunder wolf buddies while our storm wolves fly overhead but be careful while I swing my wolfclaws I might ahwoooooound you

>>50551722

If you have the +T formation, then massed AP5 will be in trouble since most will be wounding on 5+

Also, even 40 bolter shots only kill like 4 Marines and only 2 terminators. Make them T5, and its only 1 terminator. They're still expensive.

>>50551777
It's a shame because they could be so fucking good if the least bit of subtly was applied to their design.

>>50551655
>activating force stave = 3+ invul
This is a shitty option. Thousand Sons don't have enough Warp Charge to go around throwing 2-3 dice at force for every squad (not that they have that many of them) just to get 3++ instead of a 4++.

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>>50550200
>Costs LESS THAN A FUCKING LAND RAIDER
How the fuck did anyone think this thing was a good idea.

>>50551777
Don't forget about the hover sleigh pulled by wolves!

>>50551718
dayum. hard to decide between them and Tyranids

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>>50551799

>40k
>subtly

>>50551799
It's the fucking wolf fur tassels that do it to me. They just look so fucking stupid. That and the fucking Wulfen. How they aren't just purged like every other mutant in the Imperium is beyond me.

>>50551843
Yeah I know, I know.

Would the AdMech and Ordo Hereticus ever ally?

Because I want SoB allies for my AdMech. Is there some kind of fluff justification I could use?

>>50551804
It's up to 295 points base in the current codex. Still pretty underpriced though, and it's a gargantuan creature now.

>>50551799
Space Wolves riding giant cyber-wolves was never going to look goofy as fuck. If it had been a single character, it could have been okay. As is, where every other SW army has multiple Space Wolves wielding Wolf Claws atop their mighty Thunderwolves, it's a joke.

Like, Trazyn is okay as a one-off character for the Necrons, but it would have been awful if they had made it so that every major Newcron was focused on trolling people.

>>50551866
see >>50548007

>>50551866
Aren't the Admech mad that the SoB won't hand over the designs for one of their tanks? (Exorcists?)

>>50551882
the admech is always butthurt

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>>50551777
kek, i still dig them though, They are like Space vikings.
Considering Tyranids too though.

>>50551854
Wulfen did almost get purged by DA and GK before Magnus showed up and forced them all to work together and then killed a bunch of Wulfen anyways :^)

>>50551882
Admech decide to melt Tau Railguns to ease the suffering of the "agonized machine spirit" held within.

>>50551879

I know it's possible, I just wanna know if it could be justified with fluff.

I know the AdMech are kinda standoffish with basically every other Imperial branch.

>>50551894
Actually the GK cleared the wulfen before that despite the wolf brothers being put down for the same thing. It's SW aint gotta explain shit.

>>50551799
They could've been space vikings which would have been top
Jarls, thanes, skalds, hersir etc instead of wolf bullshit

>>50551911
Wolves do completely disavow the Wulfen though.