Warhammer 40k General

I seize this thread for the Greater Good!

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>>50542745
How are Interrogator Terminator Chaplains?

3 Dark Angels Tac Squads with Plasma Pistol, Gun, Cannon, and Power Sword? With or without Rhinos?

>>50542778
Interrogator chaplains arent the best but they are good for what they want to do.

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Aside from being xeno space-weebs, are Tau the least fucked up, most benign, race in the 40k universe?

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The Golden Throne is just a glorified shitter isn't it?

I mean, how else does the Emperor poop?

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Just a few more days before the Sisters appear in their first printed book in over a decade.
And still no plastic.

>>50542967
They're just the Stalinists to the Imperium's Nazism

they won't execute you outright, but they'll gulag you, your family, and everyone you know

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>>50543021
Tyranids Incoming, Lads, get ready!

>>50542817
But what's better? Termi or non-termi Chaplain?

is auxiliary unit just "heavy support"? not played the last two editions and dont remember auxiliary

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So I hype-bought Magnus when he came out and immediately cancelled my order because I wanted to see how the release went. This came in the mail today and my order was definitely refunded. Guess I'll wait a week or two but if not I guess I'm starting a Daemon Army?

Best of the 40k Start Collecting sets?
Think my mates want to do a copy of "Tale of 4 Warlords"
>still no Slaanesh daemons SC set

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If the Emperor completed his Webway project, what would have happened to the Navigators? Would they all have been purged?

Given the power that the Navigator Houses hold, would it also therefore follow that the Navigators had a vested interest in the Webway Project failing? I know it was supposed to be secret, but people talk and the Navigator Houses would surely have heard whispers about a potential threat to their existence, perhaps through someone in the Emperors service on the project, who was also on the payroll of a Navigator house to keep tabs on what the Lord and Saviour of Mankind was up to?

>>50543225
Make sure the money has come back and then pop it straight on ebay anon

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>>50543203
surprise Tau attack

How does this look for a 40k AOS list?
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0TH_2VHTEHyNnN1VVVkYm9RNjQ/view

Raven Guard Tactics, 10 Battlescrolls
> Chapter Master
- Skilled Marksman
- Plasma Pistol
> 4 Scout squads
- Veteran Sergeants
- Tactical: Missile Launchers
> 3 Sternguard Squads
> 1 Devastator squad
- Las
> 1 Vanguard Veteran Squad
- Grav Pistols

>>50543218
No. Auxilliary is a seperate thing.

There's the CAD with HQ, Troops, Fast Attack etc.

That's a kind of detachment. There's also different ones for specific factions.

These guys get detachments with specific formations, which are groups of units.

An Auxilliary is a kind of formation not in the core or command section.

>>50543198
Except the camps have actual standards of living, forced labor in a remarkably humane way.

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>>50543215
Power Armor Interrogator has one of the sexiest models in 40k. So he gets my vote.

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guys i need some Porphyrion walking gifs
i didn't save them last time

So the 40k endtimes have officially begun

The thousand sons and their world are in realspace and the future invasion of terra is imminent

Who will be the next Primarch to march to the drums once more? I imagine it will be Russ coming back out of the warp.

>>50543269
bullshit

the implications is they're sent to reeducation camps/vanished

fuggin Tauist trying to pretend you're better than anyone

>>50543283
I need one of those for my mechanicum.

>>50543300
with how much love vulcan got from those ork novels I wouldn't be surprised if it was him

>>50543309
>Standards of living can't be higher than the fucking gulag if they can't breed
>I get my lore from video games

The DoW depiction of Tau, which is the only source I know of that depicts the camps in that way is by far the harshest depiction of them.

>Better than anyone
obviously not, the Tau are just in the habit of ally collecting instead of purging, with subtle trends toward becoming as dark as the rest of the setting.

Whcihc one bros
Space Wolves
Tyranids
Adeptus Mechanicus
which will i have most fun with

Are there any battle reports with the Thousand Sons out yet? You'd think people would be rushing to get the release-day views.

>>50543350
AdMech have the most variety of lists available to them, and can be any level of competitive that you want.

>>50543300
Not Russ first. Guilliman or the Lion for my money.

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Skih-tar-ee
Skih-tar-ee-eye
Skih-tar-ee-ee

Which?

>>50543366

Skit-ar-eye, duh.

>>50543366
Skih-tar-ee

>>50543366
For fuck sake can we stop

>>50543366
Skih-tar-ee-eye

Rome: Total War ruined my ability to pronounce pseudo-latin.

I have to shout it as well.

>>50543366

ski-tar-ee

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>>50543366

The first one.

Also, check these fucking trips.

>>50543366
I've always heard Skih-tar-ee, and assubed they were the Skitarii (ie. the army), and not multiple Skitarii (ie. soldiers).

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>>50543402

That was an elaborate ruse.

Here they really are.

>>50543393
> pseudo-latin
High Gothic.>>50543404

>>50543215
Bike

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>>50543402
What trips?

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>>50543366
Old Magos Donald had a forge

Skih-tar-ee-eye-ee-eye-oh

And in his forge he had a bot

Skih-tar-ee-eye-ee-eye-oh

With a beep beep here

And a beep beep there

Here a beep, there a beep

Everywhere a beep beep

Old Magos Donald had a forge

Skih-tar-ee-eye-ee-eye-oh

>>50543404
*assumed
Fucking phones.

>>50543350
Don't fall for the meme of buying two codices.

Go wolves m8

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>>50543419

I FEEL THE TRIPS OVERTAKING ME...

IT IS A GOOD PAIN!

>>50543433
>Don't be a meme
>Be wolves
kek

>>50543275
True, but I'm going to pick up BaC, so I suppose I'll just use the plasma pistol and Crozius chaplain in there.

I love Plasma.

>>50543435
Stop trying mate.

Is the sentinel formation any good? As an ally for another Imperial army?

Just want an excuse to have more walkers.
Also any formation for the Crab walker of the mechanicus?

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>>50543300
>So the 40k endtimes have officially begun

Cool, do we get a sweet complete makeover like Age Of Sigmar in a couple of years too?

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>>50543451

Okay...

So with the imperials and chaos about to get primarchs, do you think future updated books will let us see some of the other factions get bigger more badass scary leaders?

Like Ghazghkull fulfilling his destiny and becoming the new beast etc

>>50543300
Russ as big ass wolfen creature (just like his fellows who came back already - just bigger)

>>50543300
Now hear me out but I think there's a chance of Sanguinius returning.

Blood Angels were left on a cliff hanger that doesnt involve Terra therefor they can do the same thing as Warzone Fenris and advance the setting but then have everyone heading to Terra so nothing technically changes. Theres enough hints and funny business going on with them already so although its unlikely, so is dreadnought Guillimen or Grotesque Khan.

>>50543467
nah they aren't rebooting 40k, just updating the lore

>>50543486
>dreadnaught Guillimen

I never thought about this, I fucking love the idea

>>50543502
>the techmarines just put the gauntlets of ultramar on it in place of dreadnought power fists

>>50543486
Sanguinor and Mephiston merge into Sanguinius.

>>50543469
>see some of the other factions get bigger more badass scary leaders?

No. This will never happen unless the leader is/was a human in power armour.

Well I know what they're doing now

Horus Heresy is about to end

They just finished the beast series

so the next big thing is a 40k endtimes/update book series OR another small series like the beast books about stuff inbetween heresy and 40k

>>50543553
Happened in AoS.

>>50543556
There's like Horusian Wars happening soon.

All the side Primarch pre-meeting the Emperor era books.

And the Endtimes/Update books will happen anyway.

>>50543535

The Sanguinor, Mephiston, Dante, Astorath and Corbulo combine their armours to form Mecha-Sanguinius.

>>50543340
I hated Vulkan in the Beast Arises Novel. He was a fucking Saiyan flying around defeating an entire planet of Orks, resisting gravity beams which can crush planets and redirecting Waaagh!!! energy like it was a fucking spirit bomb

>>50543563
>Primarch pre-meeting the Emperor era books
I can at long last hope for a depiction of Fulgrim that is not fully retarded, yay false hope!

>>50543309
This is just dumb. Your clearly making a ridiculously exaggerated statement here drawn only from the one Dawn of War game.

The Tau treat their captives better than the Imperium (not that that is an achievement) but its true. Why does that offend you? Its just a part of the game's lore that Tau are more merciful and humane, big deal, the nids are man eating bugs, does it offend you that the Imperium doesn't eat as much biomass as nids?

>>50543238
>Given the power that the Navigator Houses hold, would it also therefore follow that the Navigators had a vested interest in the Webway Project failing?

Are you suggesting that the Navigators might have had a hand in fucking everything up in the interests of keeping in power?

Just goes to show you that you should never trust a fucking mutant.

>>50543238
Purged. Its pretty much the Emperor's only solution to things.

>>50543600
Tau do not fit the setting.

>>50543578

> a fucking spirit bomb

At the end of the 13th Black Crusade, Abaddon will be stopped when Roboute Gulliman tries to call on the Galaxy to lend him energy for a Steel Rain Bomb, and nobody listens until Ciaphas Cain gets on the vox network and rallies everyone to give energy.

>>50543626
I need this.

>>50542967
Yes. By far. Its simple really; Tau will allow life forms to live with a rather wide margin of freedoms, civil liberties and comfortable living standards.

All other factions (barring Eldar) are explicitly dedicated to wiping out all other life in the galaxy. Neither are great options so, in the setting, Tau are far more benign than all other factions (which in 40k isn't saying much but, at the same time, is true).

Farsight Enclaves might be even better than the Empire. Exodites also give them a run since Exodites only react defensively. If no-one invades their planets the Exodites don't hurt anyone else.

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>>50542967
They're becoming more aggressive and their love for mechas will be their doom.

>>50543558
AoS wasn't 40k. Additionally Fantasy, which AoS came from, always had more balanced factions and characters. Orcs and Goblins in Fantasy wiped out a whole 12th of the Empire permanetly.

40k is different. All that matters and wins in 40k is Marines or Chaos Marines.

So AoS doesn't prove anything. Only Marines and Chaos will be getting big boy characters (and I can bet you already Marines are going to beat each Primarch in every book they appear in).

>>50543556
Years and Years ago several people from BL and GW expressed interest in doing the Age of Apostasy once HH was finished.

It'll never happen as that means they would have to write about the Sisters, let alone them kicking Marine arse towards the end.

But it's fun to dream of what could never be.

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>>50543618
>I had to play some faggot who took monstermash Tau.
Remarkably good job of raining in the salt anon.

>>50543609
Unless they're Wulfen apparently, then they even get a clean pass from the fucking Grey Knights

>>50543654

Fantasy was terribly balanced, 7th ed Daemons broke the game so much a lot of people left and never came back.

>>50543646
Void Dragons going to love all his shiny new toys.

>>50543618

>Waah Japanmechs don't fit my setting bodged together from Judge Dredd, Michael Moorcock, Dune and a little dash of everything considered cool by brittish nerds in the 80's
>Even though Eldar are already Weaboo as shit and plenty of factions have mechs
>Oh no, their civilians are good guys and their leaders shady bastards that doesn't remind me of every other 40k faction ever even if the leaders have better PR.

>>50543655
Oh god retarded Horus Heresy writting with sisters.

>>50543669
I think he means in fluff, rather than TT.

>>50543626
Well neither Orks or Tyranids will listen and since that's most life forms in the galaxy I doubt the Spirit Bomb would even work...which seems par for the course.

>>50543669
Fluff you idiot. How did you interpret my blatant 'destroyed a 12th of the Empire' comment as being about crunch?

>>50543684

I'm pretty sure the combined energy of most of the galaxy's humans can kill Abaddon anon.

Burn his soul out like Horus's was, let Draigo step up and realise his destiny as the third Warmaster.

>>50543670
Mecha Shas'Obama will be immune to vampiric space butterflies as par Tau fluff. Doesn't matter if the vast majority of Tau will be zombies kept alive by implants but Mecha Shas'Obama has to find a use for the dead Tau.

>>50543706
I don't know. It took the Emps to kill Horus and everyone knows the Emps is stronger than all life in the galaxy so I don't think just humans will work on Abaddon (particularly if he's got all 4 Gods blessings and Drach since now we know Drach can go toe-to-toe with the Emporer)

>>50543698

Well in that case, how is fantasy fluff balanced when Chaos won?

>>50543670
Why would the Void Dragon control Tau Tech? Sure he has technopathic powers, but he's not ingrained enough to take over it all. The Void Dragon poses the largest threat to the Imperium since he's been incoporated into the core of their technology.

>>50543672
Honestly, it's just the "they're mostly good guys" that I have a problem with.

Everyone is supposed to be so terrible, the Imperium are the good guys.

Yet, the Tau.

I love their mechs, love their cyber-asian feel, but fuck me are they too morally good to be in 40k.

>>50542967
They're the reasonable aliens (aliens with whom one can reason) that make them some interesting diplomacy rather than waging massive war.

They are also interesting as being the other superpower a human may be interested to turncoat without being involved in religious change of beliefs, it's just politics.

>>50543738
Before End Times.

Post-End Times its crap. But Pre-End Times it was way better than 40k has ever been (in terms of equal shine for the factions)

So if we're talking about a reboot AoS style for 40k expecting balance among factions is stupid. In 40k what matters are Marines and the people they kill. In fantasy all the Factons mattered to a great deal till End Times came along.

40k just doesn't have anything comparable to the Dwarf losses of the Goblin Wars, the loss of Solland and Sylvania and such. The Imperium suffers no major losses similar to it.

>>50543672
I don't give a shit about tau, but Eldar aren't weaboo. They are more Celtic than anything.

>>50543738
>Has a bunch of wars where everyone matters
>Eventual conclusion with a winner
Be better anon.

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Does anyone want to share this please?

>>50543749
>Everyone is supposed to be so terrible
>the Imperium are the good guys
Love yourself anon, you need pre-fall to have a fall.

>>50543749
Who declared the Imperium the good guys? When was this ever made canon?

>>50543775
>Constant reference to Jap shit
>Not Weaboo

>>50543225
Ill give you fiddy for Magnus of you post it on ebay buy it now

>>50543805
>Fanboys
>who don't know/ give flying fucks about cannon that doesn't wank them.

>>50543805
That's the whole point of 40k.

Imperium might be the worst place imaginable to live, but the alternatives are somehow even worse.

That's what I mean by good guys.

>>50543749
Not the anon you were talking to but I disagree, although perhaps I'm not as well versed in the lore as you.

The tau are all brainwashed holier than thou crusaders bent on converting the filthy nonbelievers to their "greater good" ideology. Typically by the edge of a sword. They are led by morally bankrupt, shady, leaders that enforce a rigid caste system and seriously censor knowledge.


I think of them like the imperium but with less outright judgement and therefore they look a lot more "good" than they really are

>>50543767
Personally the part of this I like is that the Tau tend to actually experience feelings of ambiguity in war which none of the other factions do and that's rare enough in 40k to be fun.

In Fire Warrior, the novel, for example Kais injures a guardsman but then doesn't want to kill him since the man poses no more threat to him. But the man keeps screaming because he's in pain and Kais keeps asking him to be quiet, so as not to attract guards, but eventually panics and kills him.

I like that. Kais felt bad about doing something necessary for him to survive. A Marine could never experience that. He'd never just 'injure' a Tau to start with, he'd make sure its dead. Heck a Marine would kill every Tau mother he met and stomp on their babies in front of their eyes.

Nothing wrong with Marines. But its fun to have a different perspective at times, see another theme to a story. Just my thoughts though.

>>50543749
>Honestly, it's just the "they're mostly good guys" that I have a problem with.

>Everyone is supposed to be so terrible, the Imperium are the good guys.

>Yet, the Tau.

>I love their mechs, love their cyber-asian feel, but fuck me are they too morally good to be in 40k.

Buddy, they aren't the only faction mostly composed of decent dudes. Imperium, non-dark Eldar, even some Necron Dynasties

>>50543749
IMO the only problem with the Tau is that they havent written in yet their 'flaw' yet. Where is the drone squad deflecting fire from themselves onto the Tau hinting at a problem with their sentient AI? Where is the human psyker population causing problems? I loved the little fluff about the Taus experiments with genestealers because that is exactly what they would do and exactly how it would bite them in the ass.

I guess I hate that the Tau are so small because they cant have any serious flaws because it would end them too easily.

>>50543825
>That's the whole point of 40k.
>According to anon.
>Not a amalgamation of tropes so varied that you can run almost any core fantasy.

Grimdark is fun, but I can't help but feel that you've missed the point entirely.

>>50543825
I never once got that was the point. Like...not once.

>>50543831
They also don't intend to kill all life in the galaxy. That's a pretty big difference for every non-human in the galaxy who wants to live a peaceful life like Hrenians and Nicassar.

>we're discussing Tau in the lore
>AGAIN, for the 10 billionith fucking time

fuck off all of you

>>50543856
>havent written in yet their 'flaw' yet.
Their most beloved figure left the Empire shattering the facade of unity and is currently being lead down the path of Chaos.
They can't have a serious fall yet, because they haven't risen, but all the setup you'd want to see is already there.

>>50543856

Honestly their AIs going nuts would be horrendously dissapointing as a direction to go. It'd rapidly turn them into a smaller, blue-er imperium made of the same kinda burned by tech luddites.

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Dark Eldar: Because when the whole galaxy is a shit-heap you may as well be permanently high.

Fuck off with all your benign races and crap, saving the galaxy is like polishing a wet turd.

>>50543916
Dark eldar are about to get wiped from the lore, they added the buttplug of khaines gate in the last edition of their codex for that very reason

>>50543912
Honestly hoping for a legit confederation of races that goes to shit personally. Love the multiple sides civil war trope.

>>50543916
They do it because their souls will be consumed if they don't. The fact that they were basically doing the same shit before the fall is just a coincidence I swear.

>>50543805
imperium are the good guys because they are humans
surely you want the humans to win anon?

>>50543840
Nope. Imperium is a hopeless, grinding, joyless place where most people live off corpse starch and work 20 hours a day. Unless they're corrupt rich guys/nobles, but more than likely, you'll never see them.

Necrons are insane and only treat you okay because they're so crazy they think you're one of them.

Eldar see you as an animal, not a person and would either directly or indirectly murder you and everyone you know as soon as blink if they thought it would save a single Eldar life.


>>50543866
Sure you can, doesn't change the fact of the matter that the Imperium, fucked up as they are, is the best thing going for humanity in 40k.

Except the Tau. Which ruins the entire concept.

>>50543950
The Tau as house perpetually divided NO YOU SHUT UP Marik?

I could dig it.

>>50543939
This
They will do an age of smegma and dark eldar will just become corsairs but more edgy

>>50544006
That's what they are right now.

>>50543950
You have no idea how much I enjoy the Covenant civil war from the halo games.

The only reason why humanity didn't assplode was due to that civil war.

Also:
-Brute ships they outnumber us 3 to 1.
-Then it is an even fight.

>>50543881
Blood angels are already preparing an interex type coalition against the tyranids

>>50543939

I fucking hope not, why would they add so many units last year only to squat them.

So where are things currently at with the lore?

>We got fenris fugged and the Wolves going on a crusade

>Magnus the red is back baby, the thousand sons march once more, and this time they brought their planet

>the other daemon primarchs have reportedly joined abbadon maybe?

>Ghazgkull is confirmed prophet, Armageddon is confirmed for Ullanor, and Ghaz looks like he might become the new beast

>some kind of firewall thing holding tau space back, farsight getting corrupted maybe? sort of irrelevent desu

>Crons and Smurfs about to throw down in a big way

>Eldar have a bunch of different shit going on

>>50543988
>Which ruins the entire concept.
A concept that you invented for yourself, making humanity your self-insert and changing how they function to fit your headcannon.

>>50544039
Literally everything I said is true and backed by the fluff.

>>50544039
>>50544050

And I play Chaos anyway.

also don't think you know what Self-insert means.

>>50544032
>firewall thing holding tau space back
Looks like they want it to protect the tau/ start warp shenanigans more than hold the tau back.

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>>50543939
Slaanesh breaks through into Commorragh.

BEST.
FUCKING.
PARTY.
EVER.

Be there or be square. I mean, yeah, everyone dies but still, it'd be a sweet gig.

>>50544032
Eldar got fucked, lore-wise. Deathwatch disrupted the ynnead plan, slaanesh ate all the souls, every craftworld's infinity circuit is now empty, and eldrad got shot in the face.

>>50544073
Did they ever mention anything else about the Hive world the Tau capture? You know the world that might have more humans than the entire Tau species

>>50544086
Eldrad didn't die, only some of the souls got nommed, the ritual wasn't finished.

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DAILY REMINDER THAT SPACE MARINES ARE ENDOWED LIKE HORSES. THIS IS ACTUALLY CANON.

>>50543350
anyone else wanna contribute to the recommendations?

>>50543988
>Nope. Imperium is a hopeless, grinding, joyless place

Nah. See Necromunda and the houses. It's undoubtedly dystopic, but most people still live their lives as brightly as they can. So yes there are probably places where everyone is a grey drone, but that not everywhere or even most places.

>>50543916
I'd be fine with Battletome: Eldar, if it had all the factions in it, including Covens/Harlies/Corsairs

>>50544086
>and eldrad got shot in the face.

I always hated Eldrad, he always seemed like a bit of a dick.

>>50544100
Fuck's sake anon, please learn to read.

She's talking about his face.

>>50544065
>Self insert
You are using the human perspective constantly, not a literal one for one OTP jargon use fine, but you treat the humans as the protagonist heroes as the basis for your analysis of everyone else, despite humanity being one of the most aggressive and self absorbed races.

Humans are usually depicted as being as good-at-heart as Tau characters, with the Tau usually having a more two faced agenda reviled in a predictable monologue.

>>50544125
>Captain Loken walks into a bar. Torgadden says, "why the long face?"

>>50544100
Space Marines confirmed for MLP fags

>>50544100
Dude it says his face is equine, not his cock.

Why though that the writer seemed to think that space marines all having horse-faces is a good thing, I'll never know.

Besides, it doesn't matter how big his dick is, when seen naked against their otherwise gigantic frame, its going to look tiny. Its probably a good thing they dont get horny.

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>>50544032
>>50544032
>Ghaz looks like he might become the new beast
I hope we get a new towering plastic modle if he does like the magnus model.

>>50544125
>>50544147
Oh yes of course, Space Marines have HORSE FACES. GUYS IT MAKES SENSE.

>>50544125
Same, but now that it's been brought up I can see the double entendre.

>>50544128
Who cares about what some Xenos think?

It's humanity's Galaxy, Anon. Traitor or Loyalist.

>>50544147
> is a good thing
They were idolized, and what is considered attractive changes with society, eg. canon marinewank.

>>50543681
And it would be Glorious!

>>50544100
>BL

Sorry anon, not canon.

>>50544153
So does he need a Painboy to keep giving him a bigger cybork head as he grows? Like a crab?

>>50544155
Equine like faces, not literal horse faces, learn figurative language. This is the second time today someone's not gotten that concept.

>>50544158
>Humanity is good because humanity thinks it is good.
Whelp, this was a fun waste of time. See y'all in the next Tau bickering thread.

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>>50544155
>>50544173

>>50544155
Literally means a long face

>>50544212
>adjective
>1.
>of, relating to, or resembling a horse:
>a bold, equine face.

Checks out.

>>50544204
The whole setting is about humanity, the aliens are just extras.

>>50544200
>>50544212
It's shakespeare style double-entendre. The phrase is meant to be taken in a lewd way, despite being innocuous.

>>50544225
>I am a special kind of retarded.
Yes we know, nice to see that you've moved on to an unrelated thing to me mostly wrong about.

>>50544237
Either prove me wrong or go away.

>>50544083
If that happened it wouldn't surprise me if Commorragh had a self destruct switch which suddenly just folds the city and everyone in it, Eldar, Daemon and Slave alike into non-existence.

Almost all the DE killed in a single moment along with one quarter of all of Chaos.

>>50544228
>It's shakespeare style double-entendre.
My douchey explanation is being reused, I am content.

>>50543939
>>50544247
Just a reminder that Vect has already been making Commorragh 2.0 in secret

>>50544246
>proof meme.
>go away, after I put a bow on the conversation
>just wants the last word
K.

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>>50544147
>Why though that the writer seemed to think that space marines all having horse-faces is a good thing, I'll never know.

>>50544183
Was it in Fulgrim where a painter. Used blood and other body fluids for her painting? Like literally dragged a man for sex, and then murderfucks him for paint?

God that was stupid to read

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>>50544246
>5/11 distinct factions.
Hmm.

>>50544297
Yes it was, that dragged on way longer than it needed to.

>>50544298
I'm sorry, but how does that prove that they aren't extras?

>>50544092
Exterminatus, but don't worry some of the Tau escaped thanks to muh technology.

>>50544297
Yep, it was beautiful!
Semen paintings for days

>>50544298
>Sisters 22
Wait, I thought all their metal kits were oop by now.

>>50544341
No, they're still mostly there.

>>50544315
Why do you think they are in the first place?
SM vs CSM being the OG posterboys is something that's been on the decline for a while, and btw has nothing to do with your original argument, so +1 for moving goalposts.

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>>50543366
Skih-tar-aye

>>50544341
Enjoy the last vestiges of hope anon.

>>50544357
Sorry, that was the thing I was asking him to prove, not my original comments.

>>50543366
Who gives a fuck? All of them are recognisable as "those Mechanicum fucks".

>>50544386
>*cough* *cough* cult mech

>>50544374
K, still more distinct xenos than Imperium factions, and writing for xenos and Chaos is becoming more and more dominant.

>>50544386
*Mechanicus

How does this look for a Word Bearers list?

Grand Host detachment.

Chaos Lord has the Accursed Crozius
One Sorcerer has Script of Erebus, the other has the Malefic Tome
Daemon Prince has the Cursed Crown

Total is 1992/2000

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>>50544403
*Mechanicii

>>50544392
>>50544403
Same difference, they both jerk off over a digital watch if they find one.

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asking again bros
memes aside, who shold i start collecting
Space Wolves
Tyranids
Mechanicus

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>>50544407
i should probably actually attach the image huh

>>50544407
Did you accidentally your whole list or what?

>>50544423
Tell us why you like each one of those Anon. Just writing it out might help you identify exactly what you want.

>>50544431
>not one Dark Apostle or cultists

Anon, thought you were doing Word Bearers, this is just a CSM list.

>>50544432
>>50544431

>>50544341
Minus the Immolator because GW can't into transparent cupola. Unlike glorious chinaman that can.

Yes the Exorcist kit has everything for an Immolator but the window.

SoB need an update bad or kill the army already.

>>50544400
>still more distinct xenos than Imperium factions,
Not him, but no there aren't. There are 5 distinct xenos factions. There are 8 9 depending on how you count distinct imperium factions.
In case you forgot, 9>>5

>>50544449
Space Wolves - motherfucking cyber wolves
Tyranids - i like the idea of swarm, like good ol' starcraft
Mechanicus - i like sf mechs/bots and shit

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>>50544423
Regarding Space Wolves, do you have a thick skin and can tolerate a lot of banter about being a furry? Can you deal with the constant bastardisation of their backstory? Are you happy that, given the current trend, their next Chapter Master is probably going to be called "Wolfy McWolffacesson"

>>50544477
Sounds like you'd like Ad Mech best.

>>50543428
Hey, just so you now, someone appreciated this post. Clever. I liked it.

>>50544032
Admech is on the brink of a real deal STC in their codexes iirc.

>>50543467
>Bloodsecrator
Jesus fucking christ, every time...

>>50543469
Mildred Ulthran dies and gets shoved into a Wraithknight. Said Knight auto-casts invisibility on itself every turn, and is armed with 3 torrent D-flamers.

>>50544477
My recommendation would be to start with the Mechanicus. They can do they swarm stuff whilst also having crazy ass cyber shit. If in the end you just need to take the knot you can ally some in.

>>50543977
No. Why would I be as simple as to think that because something looks like me it is good?

That's an idiotic position.

>>50543404

In 40k, a single one is Skitarius. Skitarii is the plural.

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Please GW I beg for thee, aswell as thou has renewed Bloodbowl and Spacehulk bless thy mortal customers with also a renewed version of Battlefleet Gothic Armada

>>50544518
Yeah, but with all the other GW favoured factions around noone is ever going to let us get the Omnicopiea, ever. It will maybe just be the site of a campaign when Tau or something win the fight with perfect new tactics and perfect new suits and then the Marines have to save the idiot magi, and then Psychic Tau.

If we do get it, I can see loyalist daemon robots or something, but dream on.

>>50544518
>Field your Bloodsecrator and Bloodstoker near your Blood Warriors and Blood Reavers and when blood flows the Blood God doesn't care from whence the blood flows so you get more blood attacks with your Blood Warrior's Goreaxes and your Blood Reavers' Reaver Blades/Meatripper Axes.

Its really awful.

>>50544431
What app did you use to make this list?

>>50544030
No they aren't.

Where did you even get this?

Tau are the only faction, along with Craftworld/Exodite/Harlequin Eldar, which do not intend to kill all other life in the galaxy.

A Blood Angels Space Marine will happily stomp baby Nicassar to death.

>>50543469

Arkhan Land for AdMech, please.

>>50544547
Hey.

They're confirmed working on it.

>>50544452
Cultists aren't really a word bearers thing any more than they're a general chaos thing: Word Bearers use them the same way the other legions do: Expendable meatshields when they're available. It can be a Word Bearer's list without cultists.

>Dark Apostles
I'll grant you that, but there's no easy way to work one into the detachment for whatever fucking reason. Plan is to shoot for the Zealot WL trait on the Chaos Lord and just call him a Dark Apostle.

>>50544555
http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50544032
>Fenris beat Magnus
>Confirmed Morkai and co are real Gods who can beat Khorne and Tzeentch's influence
>Ghazghkull can't win a fight
>Tau are pointless and dead
>Crons never win a fight
>Eldar are dead thanks to Artemis
Fixed it for you.

>>50544489
Logan Grimnar is still alive, after having kicked Magnus's ass, and even if we actually had an "Age of the Emperor" or shit like that the Great Wolf would be Ragnar Blackmane, that was basically created with the concept of being the next leader of the chapter

>>50544518
I am a massive newfag, what is this Bloodsecrator thing about? Is it just making fun of Khorne names or something? Just started 40k.

>>50544092
Many of the humans had been evacuated off planet already.

Also if a single Hive World had a greater population than the entire Tau species they probably would have mentioned that.

>>50544568
wow!
Link on that please?

>>50544589
40k's fine, its the shit that the people playing Age of Sigmar have to put up with.

>>50544570
TYVM

>>50544568
Source or GTFO.

>>50544603
Wait, that's an actual name? Poes law got me there, then.
I must admit I glance over the Demon sections when browsing, the models all look similar and overdone to me.

>>50544558
What are sanctioned Xenos. During the great crusade there where protected xeno species and an alliance with a Federation like human/xeno thingy.

Till Horus and friends went full retarded.

On a side rant; the Horus Heresy novels go from good/passable to full flagged grimderp/cringe fest as the Fulgrim semen painting.

>>50544225
Sadly he is right.

Xenos could be removed outright and affect nothing. Xenos have never achieved anything other than dying to Marines.

I mean I wish it was different, but that is what the canon is.

>>50544431
Seems to be missing a few Rhinos.

>>50544584
>after having Khorne kick Magnus's ass
FTFY

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>>50544589
Age of Sigmar Khorne dudes had a lot of silly names.

TEASER CANONNESS CONFIRMED
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1457

SISTERS ARE ON THEIR WAY

>>50544620
>>50544598
Confirmed from GW, end of 2015/start of 2016.

>>50544531
But in the fluff dies when Artemis winks at it.

>>50544632
The "bad guy" Xenos represent the heat death of the universe. Between them Orks, Necrons, and espcially Nids mean that even if they manage victories in the short term, there is no hope in the long term.

>>50544654

Fuck we only just got blood bowl, so much longer before necromunda

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>>50544654

>TEASER CANONNESS CONFIRMED

>>50544592
Tau fluff my dear. Some how Tau pilots are better than Imperial Navy or Necrons pilots. Both having more experience in combat than the Tau pilot has existed in the universe.

Tau went from shinny young hope of underdog to super special never wrong snowflake. Even Ultramarine fluff sounds sane by comparison

>>50543428
underrated post

>>50544670
Honestly, Blood Bowl was originally meant to be out in 2017, so they're well on their way.

>>50544654
>>50544620

Wtf is this shit? Did they get some intern to type it up in word or something then export as .jpeg?

Doesn't look legit to me.

>>50544703
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/games-workshop-specialist-games-blood-bowl

>>50544626
In the Horus Heresy it is canonically stated by both Horus and Fulgrim's men that anything but eradication of Xenos is forbidden by the Emperor.

When Horus wants to parley with the Interex and Fulgrim with the Eldar their men protest because they point out that the Emperor's policy is all alien life must be eradicated on the spot.

It is only the private enterprise of these Primarchs in defiance of the Emperor's orders which sees any negotiations.

Also what xenos-species did they protect? What Federation did they ally with? The Diasporex? Interex? All of them were killed.

Also what is a sanctioned Xenos? A term used on frontier worlds for when a Xenos is useful and this sanciton is withdrawn as said Xenos is no longer useful. The Imperium literally has the extermination of all non-humans as part of its primary ideological make up.

For crying out loud its a grimdark game, fucks sake trying to cast the Imperium as actually incorporating Aliens.

>>50544667
No they don't. Heat death would imply inevitable and advancing.

Xenos threats never advance, they only die. Completely incorrect analogy.

The Xenos represent the threat of a group of little bunny rabbits to a modern army; in other words no threat at all.

>>50544651
The Chaos Gods should really just eliminate all those shitty daemon primarchs, since this is proof that the limited power the Gods can manifest in the materium is still much greater than those sissies

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>>50544654
My wallet is ready

>>50544685
Hopefully the warzone Tau fluff stays there, and doesn't become the norm, kinda kills it for me.

>>50544715
The Jokaero have a permanent "These guys are cool" pass because no-one knows how the fuck they make the things they do, not even themselves really. The out-Ork the Orks in instinctual and genetic knowledge of tech.

>>50544366
I lost my hope years ago.
I never expect to see an actual SoB update ever.

>>50544577
>Ghazghkull can't win a fight
>implying that's not the plan
Keeping the war going is his platform. He attacked armageddon just enough to keep it in perpetual war. Turning the galaxy in the one big eternal war is his end game. Not winning it.

>>50544685
You don't get how experience works do you?

You realize that different biological beings can and do acquire experience in skills in totally different ways? That since they're different biological composition there is no reason a Tau needs to acquire experience in a field at the same temporal rate as humans.

Experience between radically differing biological entities is not a constant temporal advancement. Biologically Tau have the capacity for acquiring experience more rapidly than humans in certain niches, the same way numerous organisms in reality do.

Biology doesn't work the way you think it does.

Tau gaining experience faster than Necron (who have degraded) or humans just mean that Air Caste members biologically can temporally more rapidly develop said skills. Its biology, not wank. (Or no more wank than a million other things in the setting)

So, Traitor Legions shows that you an totally fix a fucked up faction with nothing but detachment and formation bonuses.

What bonuses would make Orks, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar viable but not broken?

>>50544715
Monkey gadget making thing xenos, basically any alien used for food and transport. Bunch of minore xenos that fought along side blood angels.

The Imperium is not that pants on head retarded. At least not the Imperial Navy. Till they reach Tau Space that has a bubble of incompetence that affects everyone but the Tau

>>50544770
>>50544654

>>50544744
I actually loved the interplay between the gods in WoM. Magnus dicked Mortarion over by forcing Midgardia to be destroyed despite allowing him to have it as part of their deal. Then when Magnus is pushing his attack Khorne steps in and KO's him. Glorious. Thats how the forces of disorder and chaos should act.

>>50544744
It's also proof Morkai can enslave Khorne's power apparently. Why did the Emperor never ask Morkai for help or instruct his Librarians to use 'safe' psychic from Morkai?

Also since the Grey Knights are okay with the Wulfen does this now mean Mutants are fine in the Imperium?

>>50544784
>Bio, not wank.
It's both anon, it's both.

>>50544544
it was a joke, people have a tendency to believe humans are always the good guys no matter what humans doctrine is

>>50544737
Your bitterness is clouding your opinions. But I doubt arguing with you will change anything.

>>50544767
Actually no. Certain Inquisitor's use Jokaero, not the wider Imperium. We even have a story of the Death Watch attacking a Jokaero Space station.

Also Jokaero are stated to not really be sapient. Obviously the Imperium doesn't kill Grox either.

>>50544784
It was originally stated that the Tau had troubles facing proper Imperial Navy pilots. Suddenly out of fucking nowhere Tau pilots are better.

I insiste Tau fluff went from cool underdog to super special snowflake that made ward blush

>>50544783
Ghazz is going to lose. He always does. He's the biggest loser next to the Beast and Eldard.

>>50544784
>Its biology, not wank.
They went from biologically more adapted to certain tasks, but lacking in experience because of their shorter lifespans. Compensating for that with high tech.

to

Biologically superior and also more experienced despite their considerably shorter lifespans because of reasons. On top of this they also have better tech than everyone in the setting.

it's wank

Any Havoc-heavy formations for CSM? I'm trying to make a WE army with a hint of IW as fire support

>>50544798
What minor aliens did the Bangles work with? The Necron?

I mean the only minor aliens I know who fought the nids are the Ulumeathi League and its stated that the Imperium wiped them out afterwards because they were weakened.

Seriously what Xenos did the Bangles ally with? The Necron? Are you talking about Word of the Silent King?

>>50544812
>Why did the Emperor never ask Morkai for help or instruct his Librarians to use 'safe' psychic from Morkai?
Because it's still sorcery and Emperor hated that shit. As for why its so safe for the SW? Who knows. I'm guessing Eldar world spirit myself thats been changed by the people of Fenris.

>>50544813
>(Or no more wank than a million other things in the setting)
That's what I said.

>>50544839
Of course he's going to lose. He's the "bad guy". SM, IG and Tau players need to feel good about something.

>>50544814
Now I feel really dumb

>>50544654
>TEASER CANONNESS CONFIRMED
Of course it's totally happening.
I mean, how did you miss it in the White Dwarf?

Oh, wait.

At least she's been courteous to set a week on this. Most the time the SoB rumours say that'll happen 'soon' so no one can hold their bullshittery to question.

>>50544833
I do want to note, that Tau airforce tech is one of the major improvements they were pushing in tarous campaign, so it's not quite as out of nowhere as you say. But yeah you right.

>>50544864
Maybe he's talking about Dangles and the Watchers in the Dark?

>>50544818
What bitterness? Everything anon said was true.

>>50544654
>Sisters confirmed
NOOOOOOOOO

>>50544886
When the writing gets worse, the wank increases, and warzone writhing was some of the worst, especially for the Tau.

>>50544846
You just aren't getting this.

>Shorter lifespan than a human does not = less skilled than a human in a skill

Tau are biologically different. The means and rate at which they acquire skill and experience are different to humans because they are biologically different.

>>50544737

Well, some on the Imperium apparently believe that Orks are a threat.

One High Lord is even quoted as mentioning that he fears Orks will inherit the galaxy and not Mankind.

I believe Orks are also the foe Mankind has been fighting longer than any other in the setting.

The Iron Hands codex also mentioned something about the growing number of Ork Waaagh!s being problematic.

>>50544910
WD goes to print months in advance, this might be a more recent decision, to release a teaser canoness.

>>50544917
Tyranids are advancing. It's just too slow for his taste I guess.

How does Corax white respond to paints? I want a cream color for my Imperial knight and all the base paints are too dark, would Corax White w/ a couple layers of Ushabti/Screaming Skull still look good?

Alternatively, the grey on House Griffith looks pretty neat, I'm doing my own house but anyone know how to paint that?

>>50544934
>writhing
Fucking phone.

>>50544807
>Trusting any rumours

Like I said, I lost all hope.
I won't believe it till I actually have one in my hand and even then I'm going to be highly suspicious of it's object permanence for a while.

>>50544940
And you aren't getting that guys who campaign quite frequently are going to have more experience than guys fresh out of flight school.

>>50544881
Seriously why would an Eldar World Spirit help humans? They want to kill all Eldar. That's just dumb.

Also how can an Eldar World Spirit fight against the Chaos Gods? That's even dumber

>>50544957
Atia's near 99% reliable.

>>50544940
He gets it, it's just new fluff that takes away an interesting difficulty the Tau faced.

>>50544881
>Eldar world spirit
You mean the proto-Hive Mind left over by the Tyranid creatures leftover on Fenris from the first hive fleets.

>>50544941
Yet the Orks have never won a major war ever or even captured a major human planet. Yawn, wake me when Orks actually ever achieved anything.

>>50544547
Huh, just realised
>Battle Fleet Gothic
>Big Fucking Gun
POTTERY

>>50544912
It has been said before Tau are worst biologically speaking to humans in every shape or form. They counter this with new fancy tech.

So the Tau Pilots being outright better was so much bullshit.

Oh and don't get me started about the Storm surge. Tau had used flayers to deal with Titans (Knights are just small titans) and other big nasty ground things.

So logically Tau needed a Titan to fight titans since... mmm sales yes!

>>50544947
Tyranid have lost every war.

Also every time a Hive Fleet is destroyed that Biomass is lost to the Tyranids forever. Behemoth, Kraken, Gorgon, Naga and such are all net losses. Complete net losses for the nids. The primary goal of the nids is to eat and they fail miserably at it because they keep getting every single one of their meals eradicated.

Nids suck.

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Who's this guy?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

>>50544960
To be fair, Tau school is simulations that occur at many times real speed, and allow their newbies to surpass other recruits with ease, it's just the being objectively better than vets thing that was new, and imho bullshit.

>>50544960
The Tau aren't fresh out of flight school. Your analogy is dumb.

>>50544980
>A proto-hive mind was convinced to fight for the Leman Russ and the SW
>Logan Grimnar is the greatest hope of humanity against both Chaos and the Tyranid horde

I like this fluff

>>50544991
Where was it stated that Tau are worse biologically than humans in all forms? That sounds like bullshit.

>>50544946
The logistics train for WD is one of GWs shortest to avoid just such an event.

The only reason it's not printed is because they actually want it to be a surprise.
Which honestly doesn't make sense. They were pimping jolly red giant a month ago, why suddenly the cloak and dagger?

Captcha: Breast Calle. Are you trying to suggest something here, Captcha?

>>50544991
>said before Tau are worst biologically speaking to humans in every shape or form.
Not actually true, weaker and worse eyesight, but keener minds has always been the deal, they just went over the top with it.

Agree with the rest though.

>>50545020
Wait? Tau have Necron tech level of real space manipulation for training now? When did this happen?

>>50543655

I wish I could remember the source, but I remember someone asking at a Q and A if they had any plans for a series about the age of apostasy after the beast arises, and the answer they got was something along the lines of "What makes you think we haven't started already?"

>>50545012
One of the old Priest models.

>>50545012
Looks like a conversion of one of the old metal preachers.

>>50544951
If you want to apply creamy colour Rakarth Flesh is your way to go. I basecoat 50% of my stuff with this, it's soo freaking great to base for white/yellow/skin/any pale colour.

>>50544961
>I'm guessing
I guess you missed that part huh?

Honestly there nothing really like it in the fluff. To me the way Exodite worlds defended themselves reminds me of how Fenris did.

>Also how can an Eldar World Spirit fight against the Chaos Gods?
As for this Exodite Eldar arent effected by chaos in the same way. Perhaps their world spirit helps defend them in some why. Kinda sounds like Fenris doesnt it?

>Exodite Eldar are backward illiterate hillbillies riding dinosaurs
>Space Wolves are backwards illiterate hillbillies riding wolves

>>50544980
I dont know enough about nids so is that possible?

>>50545012
>Doesn't mention Chamber Militants
Good. I hate Chamber Militants.

>Still can't take Red Hunters as =][= bodyguards
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50545072
It's dream bullshit, they put them under and simulate years in days. First read it in the old Farsight novel, which had a reference in the 6e codex IIRC.

>>50544984
Its just fluff that contradicts itself. On one hand you have storys telling you the empier is fucked on the other GW can't let a army loss somthing because the fan boys would freak out.

>>50545012

An ancient priest model from second edition.

>>50544423
>Space Wolves

You're confident that people just don't take you serious enough when you're trying to claim you're a furry.

>Tyranids

You want to get in touch with your feminine side.

>Mechanicus

Red and silver are easy enough to paint.

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Having fun making a NL list (with the new leaked rules)

Rate plz?

>>50544785
>Casualties are taken from the back of Ork squads, not the front
>Declaring a WAAAAGH means you can't be overwatched
>Make them fucking S4 already
>They don't kill their own dudes, they just lose 1d6 movement instead

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>>50545012
Priest with club and laspistol circa 2nd ed.

>>50545136
>Claws of Black Hunt

I'm foreseeing a lot of misunderstandings with this name.

>>50545084
Thanks! Would you recommend Agrax or Seraphim Sepia for shading? Of course it's just the recesses, but the little bit will matter

>>50545151
S4 please! Why are Eldar as strong as Orks?! Why?!

>>50544991
>Tau are worst biologically speaking to humans in every shape or form
technically incorrect, at least in the case of the pilots

Air Caste pilots are more suited to air combat roles than humans, but Imperial Navy pilots are always fighting at a disadvantage, usually at much worse odds. And when you're used to dogfighting eldar, tau planes are baby mode.

to quote the original tau codex
>All pilots are of the air caste and have superior three-dimensional situational awareness to human pilots and marginally higher acceleration tolerance. This makes them naturally more gifted pilots, but the experience of the best imperial pilots gives them a hard edge which the air caste struggles to match.

>>50544489
>"Wolfy McWolffacesson"
Ragnar would clearly be the next Great Wolf.

75hastings69 • 18 hours ago
Look to see a new plague army next year (note I did not say specifically plague marines ;) )

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>>50543916

>>50545151
nobs should be T5

I've been making that mistake since I started playing, like twenty years ago. Every time I play against orks I assume the nobs are T5.

>>50545164
Because they are stronger than a man but weaker than a marine, and since they are stuck with the marines being S4 because of
>tradition
the orks find themselves in that shitty situation

>>50545189
Pestigors.

>>50545158
>militia had actual models

How have these slipped past me?

>>50545132
>>50544489
are people really called out for being furries for playing space wolves? lol
i don't give a shit desu senpai
i just want fun race

>Tyranids
>You want to get in touch with your feminine side.
uh am i missing something

>>50544750
slut-sisters when?

>>50545228
Tyranids are the woman's army, anon.

Is there a decent way to find local people that play 40k and trade bits or something? Eastern NC is hell to find people. I know theres some sort of reddit page somewhere

>>50544984

>Yet the Orks have never won a major war ever or even captured a major human planet

I believe they've captured the major Forge World Tigrus and the Forge World Mordax Prime.

Entire sectors have also been captured by the Orks, one of which is near the Raven Guard's Chapter World of deliverance.

Plus really, the only major Human planets are Segmentum Capitols, Terra and Cadia.

>>50545228
>are people really called out for being furries for playing space wolves? lol
Here on 4chan?
Most of the time, yes
In the real world?
It obviously depends on the group and place, but most often never

>>50545163
go with agrax

>>50545210
Oh sure, that too. Also, considering that Orks are the only BS2 race and they ain't THAT great at melee, increase the number of shots a shoota gets until it's mathematically equivalent to bs3.

>>50545253
Yep, to the point I doubt it is a meme.

In my years of playing; women only play with Nids, Eldar and SoB. I have never seen anything outside that.

For fantasy it was Bretonia, Orcs and Wood elves.

>>50545228
It doesnt help when GW writes stuff like this
>A thick knot of Space Wolves was hacking its way into the midst of a Thousand Sons strongpoint

>>50543428
With three (You)s, this is now a perfectly appreciated post.

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>>50545234
>>50544750
> younger updated faces

>>50544500
>>50544691
>>50545288

Cheers lads. Glad you liked it.

>>50543988
>Imerpium is hopeless

Only on planets that are on the front against Xenos/Chaos. The core worlds of the Imperium are pretty normal, because it's easier for the Planetary Governors to give the people decent lives than for them to devote their existance to gorging themselves on the people, leading to open rebellions and an Inquisitorial bullet for become a Slaanesh worshipping faggot. If that WASN'T the case, the Militarum and Space Marines would be too busy fighting to enforce the wills of asshole to fight everything else.

Purely logistically, the Imperium cannot be that awful.

>Necrons are insane

Oldcrons are Terminator 1, Newcrons are Terminator 2. You're describing Oldcrons.

>Eldar

Yeah, fair enough. Seriously, fuck the Eldar.

Does the Traitor Legions include all of the new TSons including the "Decurion"?

>>50545228
>are people really called out for being furries for playing space wolves?

Why would somebody on the internet lie to you?

>>50545282
Anybody grab a screenshot of that Hangmen custom chapter from a couple weeks ago?

>>50545300
Not the Daemons bit, but the rest.

>>50545300
Yarp

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>>50544654
>Sisters
>Confirmed

>>50545305
The Hanged became a mini-meme for a while, sure someone could get it for you.

>>50545300
All of the TS material from WoM is included, and nothing new. Mark of Tzeentch marines are fucked.

>>50545279
>I have never seen anything outside that.
I know one that plays Tau.

>>50545324
Rumours said SoB Canoness tease in December with full updated sisters later.

Now that's coming.

Ergo, full update is coming.

>>50545225
Because they never saw the light of day once 2nd died.