Horus Heresy General /hhg/

First for Legions, give us our robots back or lend us your tanks.

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>>50393177
Which we built, I might add, and you keep beating them to death against each other rather than purging unholy Xenos. Those poor machine spirits....

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>>50393238
Cogboy, you might want to watch out for the pants on head we're going to do horrible things to your machine spirits and turn your machines into dinosaurs variety of your people.

>>50393271
Well, if you come to Xana trying that we'll gladly show you to our labs, and also our Ordinatii. They could use a demonstration.

Also, seriously, we build the damn LOW tanks and we cannot run them. I would kill for a Typhon to buff.

>>50393317
But do you really need them? Don't you guys have goodies better than or equal to legion goodies?

>>50393349
That we do, but for LoW slots our options are Knights, or ludicrously OP titans and Ordinatii. Not much we have can throw down for a slugging match with a Fellblade or Glaive.
Only SM stuff we get is Lightnings and Avengers, and slightly upgunned Tarantula turrets.

>>50393271
That looks pretty good.

I've heard guns with bayonets were very mediocre melee weapons in infantry combat, since they don't have the same grip as a spear. Makes you wonder if a halberd type weapon might have been good in a certain "meta", making it capable of scaring horses away but also chopping infantry with regular bayonets better.

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>>50393317
Huh? Didn't you know you can run anything in the IA books, plus Autokrator upgrade?

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>>50393317
>>50393398
>>50393470
cont.
Also, the Reductor is supposed to get Reductor-exclusive LoWs. Some day

>>50393470
+++ Magos.exe has stopped responding +++
+++ Due to an overload of firepower and happiness, your Magos is not available at this time, please hold. +++

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>>50393598
*Holds you*
There there, Magos. There there.

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>>50393271
>>50393424
>I've heard guns with bayonets were very mediocre melee weapons in infantry combat, since they don't have the same grip as a spear.
That was their mistake. Custodian Halberds are actually archaeotech.
Do we have any fluff description of those halbers, which are totally not spears? What about Master of Mankind?

Wonder if we'll ever get more info and rules for Army units under legion command. Like Spireguard (Thousand Sons) and Ayliet Phalanx (Sons of Horus). Maybe give Militia a provenance that lets you use them as Sworn Brothers with Legions?

Would love to field a small detachment of Army with my Marines, but as Distrusted Allies they're not much good for anything other than cannon fodder, and for that'd I'd need to get a whole bunch of them, which goes against the idea of a small detachment.

>>50393470

+++ Magos.exe rebooting+++

OK, there's my big gun problems solved. Nab a D-Cannon to annoy our knightspam and primarch players, or boost a Stormlord with +1 to vehicle damage table, +1BS and Tank Hunters to delete 2 Rhinos a turn.

What's the Autokrator upgrade?

>>50393787
>Like Spireguard
I could see them in RoWs like the UM's Vigil Opertii and RG's Freedom warriors. Sure we'll see TS Spireguard RoW.
Talk to me, HHG. Weren't they nothing more than an elite PDF? I know TS fans want them, but did they ever sailed the starts in name of the Emperor?

>>50393824
>Stormlord with +1 to vehicle damage table, +1BS and Tank Hunters
Mmmhmmm.
>What's the Autokrator upgrade?
-> >>50393545

>>50393879
Hey, nice. Now with the Reductor Cognis Signum that is now BS5. Thanks for pointing that one out.

Also, where do I find the latest Stormsword rules? I can only find ones that are still listed with Structure Points.

>>50393963
I don't know, I thought that was the latest IA1 edition. Multiply SP by 3.

>>50394035
Holy hell, that thing is a budget Ordinatus with Mechaniucm buffs. AP0 10" S10 Ignores cover Tank Hunters blast at BS5, anyone? Only 450 pts.

Aaand, GW sells the kit so it's actually quite cheap! Praise the Omnissiah and pass the ammunition!

>>50394111
With Blessed Autosimulacra ;^)
By the way, cyber-occularii give Interceptor to nearby models. Would this affect vehicles as well?

>>50394192
Hell, bring an Archimadrite, make it IWND.

Yes, they do work on vehicles, although obviously hull guns are restricted by arc of fire.
Still, if that Justaerin squad gets an unlucky scatter, BOOM!

Starting to build Death Guard. So far I have 40 Bolter Tacticals (2 units of 20), 5 Heavy Bolter Legionnaires, 5 Tartaros armed with lightning claws, and a 3rd-party Mortarion.

Things I intend to add:
2 Apothecary (joining the Tactical blobs)
1 Leviathan Dreadnought

What else should I plan on? I need a non-LoW HQ choice and I'm just trying to decide on which model I like the most. I'd also like to add at least one tank. Am I a giant dick for thinking about 3 Medusa? Also like the looks of the Sicaran.

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fuck yes

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>>50395080

Is there a unit that is all characters besides Deathshroud for DG? Wondering if there is another unit that can go all scythes.

>>50393857
They were an Imperial Army regt. permanently attached to the TS and fought alongside them. They're specifically mentioned as being in combat next to TSons at Shrike, as were the specialised TS robots.

The TS need some way to represent that they have 'their' human and robot levies to make up their numbers in their rules, but I'm not sure what it is; I doubt we'll get unique models. Maybe add-on parts for Castellax, maaaybe.
But rules, I could see.
TS allowed to use a robot maniple as a HS choice without a forgelord/techmarine or allied detachment, as Troops with some combination of consuls. Spireguard I could see as Troops in a new RoW, though making the only RoW the TS can have one that just gives them cannon fodder seems a bit iffy. Esp as you'd have to model the Spireguard minis.

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>>50395080
I am surprised that there were Tartaros termies who survived long enough to become Rubrics.

>>50393857
>>50395354
FW already said the Spireguard will get represented in Inferno as extra rules for one of the human armies, and at the very most would get a character model. Nothing more.

>already converted Sanakht and Ctesias, working on Ignis+Credence

I don't know if I want any of them to get rules/model, or any of the dudes from ATS, or their chars to be all new. Most of the dudes from ATS, with the exceptions of Phosis T'kar, Amon and maybe Kalophis are kinda assholes.

>>50393139
Which armour marks best represents each Legion? I.e Imperial Fists look pretty iconic in Mk3, Ultramarines in Mk4 or their specific (Orpheus?), Iron Hands are very Mk2, and so on.

What about the rest of the Legions?

Fun game: Which legion would recruit from X country?

First question: Ireland.

>>50395080
>Editing the crest to be red and yellow rather than blue and yellow
But the blue and green detailing is part of what makes pre-Heresy Thousand Sons look so great.

>>50395733
>Ireland
Imperial Fists.
>Has lots of ancient fortresses all over the place
>Drowns emotions in alcohol and potatoes
>Kind of cold in the winter
>Pretty patriotic, defends their home turf.

>>50395436
You think it's gonna be a RoW like with RG and Ultras?

>>50395733
None, coz Ireland would've been reduced to a blasted bit of rock

>>50395723
mk2+3: IH, DG,IW, SW
MK4: UM,AL,TS, NL,EC,WE
MK5: wild card
MK6: AL, RG

>>50395723
Dark Angels and Mk. I

>>50395723
DA: MkII
EC: MkIV
IW: MkIII
WS: MkII
SW: MkIV
IF: MkIII
NL: MkIV
BA: MkIV
IH: MkIII
WE: MkV
U: MkIV
DG: MkV
TS: MkII
SoH: MkIV
WB: MkIV
S: MkII
RG: MkVI
AL: MkVI

>>50395788
Sons of Horus for MkV

>>50395723
loyalist: mk2, mk3, mk5, mk6
traitor: mk3, mk4, mk5, mk6

>>50395775
No, why would it a RoW? And even then these rites use generic human allies. It's the opposite of what Alan told us to expect.

>>50395723
Every legion has their "favourite", but a lot of the "general purpose legions" look good in everything. AFAIK it's only the "out of the way" Loyalist legions who tended to wear anything other than the up-to-date stuff, barring "artificer armour" versions of the previous models.

The only "wearing that type of armour doesn't make sense" scenario I can think of is the Imperial Fists and Mk2; they would have perhaps the easiest access to Mk4 and the old Mk2 chassis they'd have left over would be of more use to them updated to Mk3.
Everyone else would have their supply lines stretched thin enough to make everything from 2 to 5 realistic.
Mk6 would work for SoH, IF, and AL, not forgetting the Raven Guard of course.

>>50395861
Well, going by "Spireguard will get represented in Inferno as extra rules for one of the human armies" It sounds like they won't be a legion special unit, but use existing Army lists. Ultra and RG RoW give extra rules for their Militia allies. Ultra one gives them Infiltrator and Implacable Advance rules. RG one enables them to have Zealot for one turn and makes them Fearless when within 6" of an RG unit.

>>50395771
Cool, because it so happens I'm Irish and I have Imperial Fists.

>>50395776
Heretic detected.

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What did you guys think of these Custodes rules? I never knew Gary Stus could look so shining.

>>50396141
>Custodes
>Gary Stus

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>>50395723
>>50395788
>>50395799
>>50395831
>>50395841
WHEN WILL THIS FUCKING MEME DIE
Iconic armours are all in your head, it's what you want it to be, that's the "Iconic" armour. Example, some would say the Imperial Fist's iconic armour would be MkVII because they were at Terra, for others it would be MkII because they had a lot of vets and were led by the Emperor a lot, others might say it was MkIII because Iron, for some reason (thing is, everything looks better in MkIII, even fucking Word Bearers).
Things are like this:
MkII was being phased off. That means ALL legions had at least 80 000 units each at some point.
MkIII despite being Best armour™ was a specialist option. However, the heresy was so big that 1% of the Raven Guard with MkIII would still be 800 dudes, which is more bodies than your entire LGS.
MkIV was meant to be offishul armour at the end of the crusade, which is still prior to the heresy. So also everyone had a lot, and even the Warmaster's chosen still used MkII because "if it ain't broken don't fix it"
MkV doesn't exist: it's your parents. It's time someone told you.
MkVI was released also late Crusade, a few months before the actual heresy. But the conflict meant """ F E W """ (i.e. THOUSANDS) were issued, two whole legions already had it and other two had several thousands as test models (0.5% of the Iron Warriors is still 925).
MkVII well, the helmet has existed since MkII and nobody cares about the backpack.

So any answer is a speculation at best.

>>50396244
>WHEN WILL THIS FUCKING MEME DIE

The moment Jedis stop dressing like hobo karate kids and Klingons stop being war crazy bastards.

May-mays never die.

>>50395771
>>Drowns emotions in alcohol and potatoes
>Not DG
I don't know the relationship between brits and irish beyond what The Troubles article tells me, which actually Northern Ireland, and I call both islands "the brisith isles", but what would be the possibility that 30k refers to both Lerne and Albion as Albyon?
Because I've heard nothing about Ireland (or Lerne), and fists and WE recruited from all around Terra.

>>50396244
It's less about the fluff and more about which Legion looks the best in which mark.

>>50396244
>MkV doesn't exist
this is the meme that needs to die

>>50396375
mk2 and 3 for everyone, then

>>50395080
>two eyes
NOT HOW THIS WORKS REEEE

>>50396343
Hard to say. Brits are sensitive to upsetting people with attachment to this subject (esp GW) so I doubt they'd clarify that both were Albia, but they might mention some sort of ancient conflict.
Also in real history:
Albion is England
Alba is Scotland
So 'Albia' or 'Old Albia' is probably the 30K conflation of both. Essentially, I read Albia as the equivalent of the modern day mainland UK.

Side note, The Last Church, if you're a Scot like the author, is clearly set on the Isle of Skye.

>>50396399
Pfft how can it die if it hasn't even been born. It's just something I pulled from thin air because I know nothing of MkV. But it's called "Heresy" armour is it not? So it must have been used as much or even more than MkIV.

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>>50396141
Their polearm is the dumbest thing ever, and they're not even named right. They can't be Guardian Spears because they're not fucking spears, they're halberds. Custodian Halberds. They're Specialist Weapons yet can't take a second Specialist Weapon (except for that one cool pic), despite all other 30k poleweapons (glaives, scythes and phoenix spears, which are actual spears) being Two-Handed.
Also, Custodian Halberds should be AP2, or are you telling me that both Khan and Guilliman created weapons better than what the Emperor got to his own Companions?

Just superglued the heavy flamers on my Leviathan instead of the Volkite Charger's, tell me I didn't fuck up /HHG/

>>50396560
... Are you high?

The custodes spear is strictly better in every way than the phoenix spear

>>50396461
>Pfft how can it die if it hasn't even been born. It's just something I pulled from thin air because I know nothing of MkV.

And it shows, because "MkV doesn't exist, it's just a post-Heresy designation to everything that's not one of the established marks" may-may has existed for some time.

>it's called "Heresy" armour is it not? So it must have been used as much or even more than MkIV.

It's called "Heresy armour" because it was created in response to the Heresy and stopped being made after the Heresy, because it was a piece of shit designed purely to have suits to fill the ranks and didn't offer anything new over the other marks.

Also, during the Schism of Mars, men and materials were evacuated, along with everything that was later used to design and manufacture the MkVII on Terra, so it's very likely MkVI designs and machinery was evacuated as well and could have been used to produce more suits during the Heresy.

>>50396600
I wouldn't call them "pale imitations" when the only thing they're lacking is +0.22/0.33 hits per weapon. They're almost the same.
More like "pretty much it just lacks a bolter on top of it, which somehow ruins the whole weight distribution of the weapon, since adding a lot of weight to one end seemingly balances it so that flurries of blows are possible".
Can someone post the Hueg sword of Huegness image?

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>>50396560
>They can't be Guardian Spears because they're not fucking spears, they're halberds.

Did you know that pic related is not a sword, but just a knife?

>They're Specialist Weapons yet can't take a second Specialist Weapon

Just like assault marines can't take a second pistol, yet have the ability to fire two pistols. Wait and see what characters get before getting your panties in a twist.

>despite all other 30k poleweapons being Two-Handed.

Halberds are not two-handed, they're just regular power axes.

>which are actual spears

Look more like glaives to me.

>Custodian Halberds should be AP2, or are you telling me that both Khan and Guilliman created weapons better than what the Emperor got to his own Companions?

Top tier mass-produced weapons are still mass-produced. It's the same arguments that all Marines should have power swords before any IG sergeant gets one. Because Emperor's Angels of Death and all that.

>>50396598

You've made it significantly more terrifying in Zone Mortalis.

>>50396731
>Did you know that pic related is not a sword, but just a knife?
Yes, it's literally called Big Knife. And I don't even know that much german.
>Look more like glaives to me.
I forgot glaives were allowed spikes on top. Sure, that can do it.
>Just like assault marines can't take a second pistol, yet have the ability to fire two pistols
Huh? Everybody with two pistols gains Gunslinger.

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>>50396244
>autism much?

Also, we're all well aware of the fact that every Legion used almost every mark of armor to some degree or another (the big exception being MkVI, which was only fielded in large numbers by the Raven Guard and Alphas until after the Heresy). But you seemed to miss the whole point of what 'iconic' means. It isn't "This is what Legion X uses and THAT'S IT". It's like how Emperor's Children are frequently seen in MkIV armor, or Salamanders are frequently seen using MkII and III. The whole post was literally based around opinion

>Which armour marks best represents each Legion?


Also, MkV armor is real you dumb cunt, it is just a blanket term which covers the wide variety of miscellaneous designs of armor created by various parties during the Heresy to make up for heavy losses and the cessation of deliveries by Mars. While no one design stands out as 'MkV', proto-MkVII helmets and armor studs tend to be signature features.

>>50396771
>Huh? Everybody with two pistols gains Gunslinger.

Yeah. It's the special rule associated with Pistols, but a very few models gets to benefit from it. So how is the Guardian Spear wasting it's Specialist Weapon? So far we have what amounts to experimental rules for one sprue set. Lets wait and see what the future brings, hmm?

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Guys, let's calm our collective tits and relax over the whole Halberd thing. Just be glad we don't have to stat these things.

>>50396244
This

>>50396787
>we're all well aware of the fact that every Legion used almost every mark of armor to some degree or another
If only that were true. because
>It isn't "This is what Legion X uses and THAT'S IT"
That actually is it by most accounts

>>50396787
I thought he was holding a helmet that looked like his face. All the helmetless space marines should have face-helmets.

>>50396787
>you seemed to miss the whole point of what 'iconic' means

Seeing that the look of various armies has changed, it's hard to say what's the true iconic. DG seem to be associated with MkIII these days, but old DG were shown in MkIV. And pretty much everyone was in MkVI back in the day.

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>>50396855
It's what one Anon did for his Bangle. Poor old marine found some Warpstone.

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>>50396787
>>autism much?
Not gonna lie, I don't like questions for the sake of keeping the thread going. It's asking stuff for the sake of asking, rather than for an actual answer.
>Salamanders are frequently seen using MkII and III
The average Salamander is commonly depicted in MkIV, which is why I'm against that kind of opinions, which would cause people to think of something as unfluffy when it's not even a fact.
>MkV armor is real
Dammit it's a joke! Of course it's a real thing, we know how it looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ8y8AvXu5Q

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>>50396854
>>It isn't "This is what Legion X uses and THAT'S IT"
Someone gets what I'm trying to say. Whatever helps to erase the idea that X armour for X legion is "wrong"

>>50396851
Don't worry, I got you.

S User/+1/+3 - AP 3/2/4 - Two-handed, Versatile, Thrown

Versatile: After charging this weapon uses the second profile, there after the controlling player can choose to use the first or third profile. If the player uses the third profile the weapon becomes unweildy and gains rending.

Thrown: The controlling player can use this weapon as a projectile with the profile below. If used in this way the model may not use this weapon again unless the targeted unit makes base to base contact with the model who threw this weapon.

S +1 - AP 3 - Assault 1

>>50396766
Claw, Melta, Flamers.
It feels like I fucked up really bad.
But I also really like the pose and the idea of it walking up, boiling an enemy infantry unit, then raping a light/medium armored unit.

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>>50397057
I'm okay with this. FW, take notes.

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>>50397410
I've had lots of time to think of weapons better than the nostroman chainglaive.

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>>50397057
>AP4

The the Drop Assault vanguard Darken the Sky rule doesn't wording makes it so units within 12" dont snap fire when using interceptor because its the next player turn it activates. Does anyone play it so it affects interceptor? Considering the skies were already darkened since, y'know, the AMs were deployed. Is it just a case of bad rules writing?

Also why are the Outcast Sons and Orphans of Betrayal so baaaaaad

>>50397712
AP4 at +3 strength with rending.

It's meant to take on vehicles, which is also why it has unwieldy.

Funnily enough it never works because you'd be charging a vehicle nearly every time and forced to use the AP 2 S+1 profile instead.

These stat are clearly satire.

>>50397752
>Is it just a case of bad rules writing?

Its probably intentional to give the other player a chance to kill some assault marines with Interceptor instead of just being swarmed by them in turn 2.

pictures are up of the occult scarab terminator sprues on the NZ site

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/scarab-occult-terminators

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>>50397616
Batmarines are probably edgy because of their Glaives being horrible. Unrelated pic.

>>50397912
That's even worse.

>The Sky is dark! Just not Dark enough. We need to twiddle our thumbs and pour diesel into our exhausts to darken it more-Wait are we being shot at?

Most interceptor is 18". You could in theory land 19" away from interceptor, but within 12" of other scary units and then run closer then jump. But that's a bit of a pain.

>>50398001
At the very least couldn't they make Sevatar's glaive AP 2 all the time?

Fucks sake, just give him artificer armour. He's first captain, there's literally no excuse.

>>50397968
That missile launcher is new low in GW design.

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>>50397796
>These stat are clearly satire.
Nothing the srs bssnz Pole-Chainfist can't solve.
'S(User)/+1 AP3, alternate profile Chainfist, because it's basically a Chainfist in a pole with a power sauroter on the back. It also gives the user True grit.

>>50398043
His dad probably had something to do with it, or maybe he thought he didn't need it.

>>50393424
Pikemen made it into the early 1700s, I think. The better bayonets weren't in use yet.

>>50398043
Kek. Not only that. He's wearing regular power armour. Nostramo, a planet with a loooot of adamantium, and no NL special character is wearing artificer armo-
>>50398044
>>50397968
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT MISSILE LAUNCHER?!

>>50397968
The other sprues are too.

Def saving the last 10 MKIII of my BoP to give those warpflamers. I don't care if TS dont get actual warpflamers I just want to use those sweet flamer models.

Also if the TS RoW is bad I'll be using an Army of Dark Compliance with those Tzaangors.

>>50398081
I think it was more that firearms at the time weren't good enough to make dedicated close-combat units useless. A musket could shoot and stab, but it couldn't shoot well enough to make up for it's lack of stabbing power.

>>50398093
>WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT MISSILE LAUNCHER?!

Had to give traitors CML, but had to work around that head piece, instead of working the head piece into the launcher instead. I'm sure there's people who'll just put a CML on a suit without the top piece.

>>50398133
Or fast enough. But artillery made tight formations dangerous and as more and more (and better) firearms became available, the pikemen went from bodyguard to literal meatshield.

>>50396451

To add to the theory of Albia being Scotland, they had a history of people raiding across the border at dusk, and the phrase 'caught red handed' first appears in Scottish law.

Isn't there a passage that hints at the Dusk Raiders also came from Birmingham?

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>>50398156
>Magos: We're doing these specs on adamantium rather than ceramite. Now of course adamantium is much heavier than ceramite, so they won't be able to run.
>Sorcerer1: No we can't lose speed, if we lose speed it won't work as a scout armour.
>Sorcerer2: It won't keep pace with Tactical support either
>Sorcerer3: Thicker armour is a reactive measure, let's think pro-active here. I say equip the thing with anti-tank missiles. Then it can blast those enemy tanks before they get a chance to fire. What do you think, Magos?
>Magos: *doesn't give a fuck anymore* FINE!
>Adept Auxilia: Anti tank missiles? Where do I put them? The space marines will have to wear the missiles as bunny ears
>Magos: I don't know, Adept! It's why you get payed the big STC fragments
>Adept: Magos, there's no room. We're not talking abo-
>Magos: about a pair of artificer pants, I know, I know! Omnissiah deliver me! What we're talking about is 100 years with nothing to show for, except a suit the size of an ogryn and a career in permanent halt! You see this? I've been, I've been a Raptora Tech-assist for so long I swear I'm growing scales! Now if you have to design bunny ears to hold those goddammed missiles then just do it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyakI9GeYRs
biased movie is biased, no biggie

>>50398684
Holy fuck, is that accurate of what happened to the Bradley?

>>50398917
Not at all. The development process for it was convoluted and a little messy but the movie blows it out of proportion. It ended being a pretty decent IFV.

>>50398948
>It ended being a pretty decent IFV.

Mainly by accident, as it proved to be well enough suited to the environment of fighting 3rd world sand people, rather than the Soviet Block it was designed to fight.

>>50398917
Nah. I mean military programs suddenly modifying the requirements is a thing that does happen, and the Bradley had indeed a lenghty and costly developement phase. This movie is simply, well, making a movie out of that. Accurate or exaggerated, it is funny to me nonetheless, mainly because of the dialogue.

Would-be mechanicum player here, honestly super fucking intimidated by all my options. Are there any must/don't takes in general? Shit like Vanguard for Skitarii or Warp Talons for 40k CSM

>>50399033
Must takes or must not takes? I thought Vanguards were not the good thing. Also, take Vultarax and you'll have Anti Air covered

>>50399107
Vanguards are a damn sight better than Rangers, which is the option in most lists.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/tzaangors

Am I right to assume that this kit is nothing but 2 sprues of AoS Tzaangors with two pistol and chainsword sprues throw into the mix? Guess they won't be getting any use out of all those AoS bits.

>>50399141
I always thought the guys in robes were the rad troopers, as opposed to the ones with the metal helmets.

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This seems kinda obvious but Forge Lords can take servitors right?

>>50399377
...servitors don't count as wargear? I mean the head marine cogboys surely are entitled some servitors, aren't they?

>>50399033
Cybernetica or Reductor?

>>50399699
Reductor seemed cool, but I don't know if someone new to 30k could make the most out of what it brings? I was wanting Heavy Support anyway - it always has the most fun toys in it.

>>50399555

I figured. I just wanted to be sure before I made a bunch of missile launcher servitors.

>>50399775
You'll want more than a single anon as confirmation

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If its so great, why does it hover?

>>50399838
Too pure to touch the ground.

>>50399838
should I...should I buy it, or wait til there's a recast of it. it's just so beautiful and I've got 10 custodes sitting around.

>>50399880

Buy it now and you get a free shipping voucher for that $1000 purchase come 2017.

>>50400255

I like how these are temporary rules blatantly drawn up to get yWAACfags to buy it. I can't see these units going into the game without a nerf.

>>50399838
Why do Custodes have the proportions of dwarfs?

>>50399726
Scyllax and Domitars seem to be things to avoid, haven't seen them in many lists.

>>50400567
>Too tough to die
>Too stubborn to quit
>Armed with axes
>Collect grudges
>React to shame by taking off their clothes and dying their hair orange
You tell me, anon.

>>50400567
Because theyre swoll motherfuckers that put astartes to shame.

>Do you even lift plebstartes?

>>50400567
Because GW has never been that great at getting human proportions down.

>>50397968

"Scarab Occult Terminators were once the finest psykers in the Thousand Sons Legion, bodyguards to Magnus the Red himself. Reduced to dust along with their brethren, they now possess only an echo of their previous intellect. "

Fucking GW. The Rubric only fucked up the non-psykers.

FFS GW.

>>50401358
No, the Rubric fucked up those with no OR little psychic potential. Get your lore straight you pleb.

>though with that vague discription what the treshhold was is anyone's guess

>>50401383
>finest psykers

GW still got it wrong.

And I know. I remember Snakht too, who got almost Rubriced.

>>50401358
Jeez.

So what happened to the psychic ones? Did they all become 40k Chaos Sorcerers?

>>50401433

Basically. Rank and file are got turned into Rubric marines, as other anon said most of the weaker psykers did too.

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Is it a decent idea to convert spare MvVII suits into MkVs to fit better with HH units?

>>50401495
It definitely is, even if it is plausible for a particular group to have managed to get the cabling underneath armour plates.

>>50401495
Damn, not easy to behead someone with a gorget that large.

>>50401495

>Ferrus has a fucking power wrench.

Still can't unsee.

>>50396954
This is how my DG look, and they look good in MKVI

>>50401745
Artistic freedom, more like artistic heresy!

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Need to put my World Eaters on hold to work on a Raven Guard commission.
Why does the faggot ass raven have to be so hard to paint

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>>50400567
Because GW produces their models anatomically incorrect on purpose. It's called heroic proportions.

>>50402835
So do a plethora of other miniature manufacturers. Imagine having to deal with guns that tiny as on the dude on the left. That barrel would be needle sized and snapped off in a gentle breeze.

>>50402835
>trust no-one, not even your real-world equivalent

>>50402890
I rather prefer realistic scale when it comes to medieval or renaissance looking figures.

>>50402949
Do you have examples of truly realistic scale, because I'm sure in these sizes there's bound to be at least a little bit of warping in scales.

>>50402986
Perfect realism isn't that important to me. I just prefer the more modest look of the miniatures.

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Finally my Dorn proxy is fully assembled
he's a little small for a primarch but it'll do until an actual model comes out for him

>>50403397
Looks pretty good, Anon.

>>50403409
best part about it is that every single bit comes from one Burning of Prospero box

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You guys, anyone has a link to Children of Sicarus or The Thirteenth Wolf.

Btw. I post you something nice :).

>>50403419
wtf, I hate Magnus now!

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I wanted to make a small 500pts. allied Militia detachment for my legion as serfs and failed recruits. Thinking of modelling them something like old Wolf Scouts.

Force Commander
-Abhuman Helots, Gene-crafted
-Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Digital Lasers
= 217pts.

Grenadier Squad (15x)
-Vexilla
-Bolters, 2x Plasma Gun
-Sergeant, Bolt Pistol, Augmented Weapon
= 154pts.

Grenadier Squad (14x)
-Vexilla
-Shotguns, 2x Meltagun
-Sergeant, Bolt Pistol, Augmented Weapon
= 129pts.

>>50403419
What a nice anon. Afraid I can't help with either book, but thanks for your gift.

>>50401408
Not really, just goes to prove that the average Son was a shitty psyker.

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I'm glad I didn't trade my custodes away even though I do 2 traitor legions. These guys were fun to paint.

>>50398684
Based movie. Ref: F35, LCS, KC-X

>>50402900
Underrated post
>>50401745
By that time Fulgrim has stolen back his hammer. But isn't someone supposed to be wielding Fireblade or something?
>>50403419
I wish I have them. Thanks master of basekind
Wft I hate Magnus twice?

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>>50402900
Thanks for the laugh.

>>50399838
>why does it hover?
It rejects contact with the tabletop that has rejected scores of infantry for pieces of artillery, vehicles and superheavies. It's disgust for the WAACfags to come, who will make any excuse to give their IWs and TS some Custodian support, separates him from the very ground they tread on.

>>50403649
What traitor legions do you play?

>>50403504
Abhuman helot is a pretty bad start, given the effect it will have on likely allies.
Warrior Elite or something to that effect may work out better.

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>2 units of 5 tyrant siege termies
>assault cannon contemptor
>2 medusas
>3 thud guns

Am I doing the whole Dakka iron warriors thing right? It seems like a good start to me am I missing anything?

>>50404249
You might want some troops as well young-fella-me-lad.

>>50404249
Also isn't there a way for iron warriors to bring an aegis with ammo dumps, that with 3 duel assault cannon contemptor mortises seems really fucking good since you have 36 rending shots rerolling ones and hitting on twos

>>50404262
Sorry kinda just posting legio specific stuff

HQ is vanilla pretor and troops are two ten man squads in rhinos with dozer blades

>>50403419
Thank you based anon, truly

>>50404158
>Abhuman helot is a pretty bad start, given the effect it will have on likely allies.

Well, seeing that Militia is already Distrusted allies with my legion, it have zero affect.

>>50404249
>>50404274
How competitive is your local meta? Because, honestly, the way you're building your army sounds no fun whatsoever to face.

>>50404249
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294656-iron-warriors-tactics/page-37

Check the last 2 pages of the thread, new IW info

>>50404363
Oh shit, 40k has a hearty tourney scene but 30k is decidedly casual, but mostly because of price limits, the worst I've scene is dropclaw rape and your standard tried and true Primarch+termies+spartan deathstar

Would this army be a little much? I figured I didn't have any melee defense so if those purple pretty boys or the guys with those spikes in their heads got close my gun line would crumple

>Dorn narrowed his gaze. ‘Roboute is not here, Oblivion Knight. Would that he were. In his absence, I am Lord Commander of the Imperium.’

Dorn admits his natural inferiority compared to Guilliman.

IF BTFO

>5k points game
>Me Alpha Legion versus Iron Warriors
>Didn't get first turn and crappy rolls all game
>turn before last one the dual kheres contemptor blasts 4 wounds off Perturabo right after opponent mocks its lack of rending hits all game
>remaining 5 Lernaean terminators charge in, don't fail a single save and proceed giving Pert the fisting of a lifetime
>Last turn the Lernaean get charged by terminator command squad with Warsmith
>Die to the last man, but Harrowmaster kills the warsmith with a single hit

Might have lost the battle, but I'm content claiming moral victory over the fact that Perturabo and a warsmith are gonna need diapers to keep their pants clean :^)

>>50404431
Woah, it's like Angron vs Wolfjobber.

>>50404400
It is pretty beardy, yeah.

>>50404400
30K is supposed to be narrative, which means you want to either build a fun army or let your opponent know how bad it's going to get beforehand

>>50404409
No he means he now has no equal so can claim the throne
>>50404249
>3 medusa
>not 3 basilisks
Dude they're the siege legion, mortars go to DG

>>50403649
>BLACKed custodes
I never realised how cool these were until now.

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>>50404069
I have BaC painted up for DG, and I'm doing the same for BoP. But I'll be doing about 15 or so as Iron Warriors.

>>50404653
>BA fuckboi as Dg
like the mask on the former Chaplain but if he' wielding literal Chaos then surely he should be more corrupted

>>50404530
So basically just like 40k?

>>50404613
>X doesn't match my views about what Y legion would use in combat

>>50404613
Yes I sure the iron warriors totally don't owned thousands if not tens of thousands of every artillery pieces the imperium manufactured

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>>50404664
thats not a mask. its supposed to be half his face melted away. the ring of white is the empty eye socket.

>>50404708
>Pertuabo writes 40k supplement to make the legion lodge shut up
>Autism is 75% heritable if the father has it, 50% if the women has it
I bet you think WE wouldn't always have chainaxes to hand

>>50404735
Wear on the leg and chest looks cool but why paint the skulls gold or not wash them darker.
Hair on the nunchucks
Is he supposed to have just got that in battle or he's let it go

>>50404735
From this angle it looks as if he was well on his way to become one of Tzeentch double faced daemons.

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>>50404780
I bet you think chainaxes are the only thing they ever used, no tanks no flyers or ranged weapons.

>>50404886
yep that's why FW paints and allows you to take armour and it's listed in the HH books as using armour
I didn't think trying to stop WAAC by giving a fluffy response would cause this much autism

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>>50404799
Im going to go with sheared off by a stray bolt round (that obviously didnt explode). Its weird. I cut off detail from the side of his face and it seems to make that side of the face seem fatter.

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>>50404939
Ha, not only your fluffy response didn't go as planned, but you underestimated the level of autism I operate in!

>>50405039
*operate at

>>50401408
Well, Sanakht almost got rubric'd because Khayon mindraped him while trying to kill Ahriman literally seconds before the Rubric triggered.
The fluff has changed over the years about who got Rubric'd in detail as to why it was the rank and file who got dusted and not the officers, originally the average TS didn't have psychic powers.
Now they all do, but the greater the power level + skill, the easier it was for them to resist dusting. And in the TS the more psychic power + skill you had was linked to your promotion.

Also remember that saying all TS had psychic abilities doesn't translate into saying they were all powerful. Legionary John Doe who can levitate cubes of sugar and bend spoons with his mind would've had no chance as compared to Captain John Smith who can generate pillars of warpflame, or whatever.
It's a retcon but it's a more detailed one that makes sense and doesn't change the end result of the old fluff, so it's fine.

The Scarab Occult were said to be experts in entering a psychic state of consciousness that allowed them to appraise situations and react with perfect detachment, and act in synchronicity with their fellows and commander. A not so subtle foreshadowing of Rubrics. While martially powerful, if that is their main gift, they probably weren't great at resisting the Rubric, which seemed to go better for the more individual and forceful personalities.

>>50405130
Ferrus even remarked that the Scarab Occult fought like automatons or robots, and that was before the dusting.

>They thought it was probably a compliment. Even the Thousand Sons had a certain level of autism it seems.

>>50405383
Not a TS, but if the lord of the botboys tells me I fight like an automaton I'd take it as a compliment as well.
Of course in universe most ignore Ferrus is against cyberization.

Im really liking the IW
the fluff, the look, the primarch with his beep boops, its all great
thing is as far as i can tell nearly everyone here is an iron warrior
is me being an iron warrior only making the problem worse?

oh also if i have perty as LoW do I need a praetor/ to get my ironfire?

>>50405532
>problem
Nah, it's just a meme. And even if there are a lot of IW players on this board, it's what people at your local club/store play that actually matters.

>>50405532
Master of the Legion special rule is possessed by Primarchs, Legion Praetors and certain Space
Marine special characters. So no you don't but you do need another HQ still.

>>50405589
thats fine
just means I have more room for HQ's that are actually good for a ranged army

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>>50405532
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764/r
Not a problem. I mean look at the poll, 28% is either AL or TS. It's simply we IW are a bit more vocal and I contribute by posting lots of excerpts and memes of them, while the AL are actively hiding/pretending to be someone else, and several TS fans became dust after waiting for the Inferno that never came.

>>50405532
Iron within.

I don't think it's a big problem, as anon said it depends more on your local player composition. For some reason all the IWfags congregate here but I think the legion spread is pretty even overall.

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>>50405621
I think it's the eternal bitterness that makes IW so vocal.

>>50405671
And the knowledge that, no matter how hard they try, they will NEVER be Imperial Fists.

>>50405714
And more specifically the knowledge that they will never be the Imperial Fists who lust for Guilliman's guidance, as per Master of Mankind.

Are there any sword hands that have the sword almost perpendicular to the wrist? I stuck a power sword into my chaplain's left hand, plasma in the right but having an upright sword there has just killed the models dynamics. I want him to be sighting down the blade,a s it is he's holding his sword upright and staring at it.

>>50405725
the fists being bros with the smurfs is something I find charming

I'm sure they'll manage to ruin that with any eventual books on the scouring/cage, by leaving it to authors blinded by memes.

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>>50405621
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764/r
>83 Fist votes
Wow. That's a lot more than I expected.
>Alpha Legion is still at the top
>mfw
I know some of them are false-flagging memespouters, but the Day of Jumping on the Hydra's Back is coming for all of you.
>Dark Angels 42 votes and Blood Angels 30 votes
One half of me is sad but the Dark Angel side of me is okay. Speaking of which some trees near my house got trimmed. Got to keep the other trees in line after all.
>White Scars are dead last
Any WSfags here or will you guys start posting once it's closer to your legion's full release?

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>>50405633
>Iron within
>Trap
Last time I remember you were an AL? I'm keeping an eye on (You).
>For some reason all the IWfags congregate here
It's canon behavior :^)

>>50405621
I can personally confirm that at least 60 AL votes had been done by one man.

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>>50405725
Nigga please, Guilliman lusts for our guidance. Cage Secundus :^)

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I will never accept another raven guard commission without asking for transfer sheet

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>>50405804
If anything, the blame is on us who look at information regarding the AL and believe it as true.

>>50405763
I wonder if the sheer price of going bike/jetbike heavy puts people off the scars. Didn't someone work out that those have about the worst points-to-money ratio of anything by forgeworld?

(Obviously, WS can be played without lots of bikes, but I'd imagine a lot of people that like the scars have a thing for bikes.)

>>50405851
>I wonder if the sheer price of going bike/jetbike heavy puts people off the scars. Didn't someone work out that those have about the worst points-to-money ratio of anything by forgeworld?
Aren't GW bikes acceptable for 30k or is that not halal?
>(Obviously, WS can be played without lots of bikes, but I'd imagine a lot of people that like the scars have a thing for bikes.)
I now wonder if WSfags are trying to build up some jetbike money.
>Didn't someone work out that those have about the worst points-to-money ratio of anything by forgeworld?
I think so.

>>50405851
But White Scars doesn't mean you *must* go bike heavy. White Scars just gotta go fast, and that does include dudes riding in transports, bailing out, annihilating something, jumping back in and moving to the next target amongst other things. Bikes only is what Ravenwing do.

>>50405878
> Aren't GW bikes acceptable for 30k or is that not halal?

asked that a few threats back, apparently if you convert the dudes on the bikes to a heresy acceptable armour its ok

>>50402573
'Azard?

>>50405621
>Every Legion has at least 15 votes and up to a hundred.
>There's two or three people posting models, batreps, or really anything about their army.
>Every thread has 100 different posters, tops.

Clearly, most of the votes are falseflags, but I think this is evidence that most people on /hhg/ don't even play the game.

Tell me anons, do you play, collect, read fluff or just come here to meme and shitpost?

Let's fix this, post your dudes, talk about your games, show what you're working on!

>>50405933
u wot m8?

Thinking of starting a Horus Heresy army. How good are Emperor's Children?

>>50405966
I read the fluff. I only came to know about warhammer because I was looking for examples of power armour and found space marines, and even then I learned the concept from Halo, several years ago. Prior to that date I didn't even know this was a board game. Still, I voted Death Guard .
MkIII is best armour.

>>50405779
>Last time I remember you were an AL? I'm keeping an eye on (You).

I'm whatever you want me to be anon, that's the point of Alphas after all.

>>50405966
I collect, not enough put together to play yet. Of course I have gaming ADD so by the time I have enough Alpha Legionnaires to play I might have dabbled in 2 or 3 other legions.

>>50405981
I've heard they're good though their legion specific units aren't spectacular.

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>>50406061
>I'm whatever you want me to be anon

>>50405966
I play, collect, read fluff, read rules, math hammer, do theory list building, paint, convert ... and meme and shitpost here when I'm having a bad day.

>>50406130
> this
except im a countryfag and theres no one to play with, working on that tho

>>50405966
I got into 40k with tau. One day I was joking with a friend about how I would only play chaos if I put the funny bat helmets on all of my dudes.

the next week I started Night Lords.

I found out about the horus heresy line probably two years after night lords came out and started collecting immediately.

I've only just started to read through the black library books but had an idea of what the Night Lords were all about from the Lord of the Night book and the ABD trilogy.

my lists are pretty siege-heavy because my meta has loads of vehicles and Night Lords are comically bad at anti-tank duty. This works out surprisingly well until I'm up against a legion that does siege better than me.

I'm working up enough assault marines currently to run preator (looks a lot like Zho Sahaal) in a vanguard strike list.

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>>50393139
A or B, /tg/?

>>50406465
Definitely B

>>50406465
Red core with black pauldrons looks better in my opinion.

>>50406465
b

Master of Mankind mentions "even the rare sicarii" when describing mechanicum units sent down into the webway war. Any idea what that is supposed to be?

>>50406465
/b/

>>50406516
sounds pretty sicarii if you ask me.

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>>50406465
>>50406488
>>50406491
>>50406502
>>50406522
What about this?

>>50406555
Still the same, B.

>>50406465
B.
>>50406555
A.

>>50406555
In this case A

>>50405966

I played 40k TT back in late 4th/early 5th editions with an IG army, haven't touched it since.

I got big into HH fluff and the BL novels about a 1.5-2 years ago, but I was too much of a poorfag to invest in FW's resin crack. Betrayal at Calth was my saving grace, and I picked up a box back in May. I've bought a few more assorted plastic HH boxes since.

Unfortunately, I'm such a stickler for modelling perfection and greenstuff that I haven't even assembled any of it. Being super busy in university doesn't help. The closest I've come to posting my dudes is a pic of the GS crotch studs/chainmail I added to some B@C MK. IVs

>>50406602
>>50406626
A for Thallaxii is what I'm thinking too. They don't look as good with black limbs as the Castellex and Thanatars do, so I'll probably do both.

>>50405829
To be fair, that does look really nice for a free-hand RG symbol

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>>50405966
I played 40k in 5th edition and stopped in 5th edition since my area lost interest. Now I play Warmachine, but 30k has started to draw me in.

I've read fluff since the Horus Heresy novels started coming out, and now I'm looking at getting models sometime next year.

I also post memes and shitpost

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>>50406555
A. Redjack Thallax can look nice

>>50405878
>>50405881
While WS don't 'have' to go bike heavy, I imagine it is something that they want when they pick up the Scars. Kind of like how you expect to be fielding more tanks than average with Iron Warriors, or melee galore with World Eaters. Bikes are the White Scars' thing, and unfortunately not everyone has the funds to go all out in that regard.

And frankly, I'm kind of glad there aren't that many WS players. A properly geared WS army is terrifying.

>>50396343
Depends on whether oceans still exist or not. I've seen fluff suggesting both alternatives.

>>50406785
I saved that picture (and all others I could find of Mechanicum automata). I probably won't do metallic red on mine, as I just did metallic green on one of my Knights and fuck painting that without an airbrush. Flat Mechanicum red will have to do.

>>50405966
I just don't have a local scene, the only person in the area with a 30k force is the redshirt, and he never actually gets to play any games because he's always giving painting advice to kids or whatever, even on the weekly game evening. (It seems like a special sort of hell to get a job based around the game you love, but never get to play it because of said job, but that's another matter.) Hence, I'm reluctant to start collecting 30k stuff as I know I wouldn't ever be able to get a game of 30k vs 30k, and I've heard 30k vs 40k is a bit of a mess. So yeah, another for the non-collecting/non-playing here, but in my defence I would collect if I thought I could get games.
+++shitty blog ends+++

>>50406555
A feels more balanced in colour, so I'll go for that.

>>50406787
>ywn see Iron Warrior Shrapnel Jetbikes not because it's not fluffy or even because jetbikes aren't really meant do melee, but because Shrapnel bolts are dumb and outshined by DA Ac!d bolts

>>50405966
I collect+paint/convert, and I enjoy the fluff and discussions. I haven't played+been able to play GW games in over a decade, and unless there is a considerable turn-around in my life situation I doubt I ever will. But I am content with working on the few models I do have with my limited supply of paints and tools.

>>50403568
Which the Scarab occult were not. By all rights they should not have been dusted

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>>50406130

>>50404653
That's an eerily familiar paint scheme. Looking great Anon =]

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Goddam this guy looks so creepy

>>50405966
Collect, read fluff. Building towards playing, I just restarted after I stopped in 3rd.

I'm building Alpha Legion, painted one contemptor out of BaC so far but the finish was pretty bad so I'm grabbing an airbrush Monday. Might keep this in hand painted colours for the hell of it though, it's pretty in a boiled sweet way but those Tamiya clear colours really don't do hand brushing.

>>50405966
I don't even play, I just collect (slowly) and paint
because of my budget I only get a few minis every few months, so I spend a while painting every one and making them feel like my own. but I have no intention of playing, I just love painting.

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>>50403419
Holy shit.
I'm geniunely laughing at the irony of the inhumanity of mankind's champions. Or maybe it's a laugh of despair, I don't know anymore. Thanks anon.

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>>50406922
So true it hurts.

>tfw you got nobody to talk with outside of the one day you go to the FLGS

>>50407062
Lol. Say what you want about the HH novels, but they do have their moments.

>>50405966
>Tell me anons, do you play, collect, read fluff or just come here to meme and shitpost?
yes, yes, yes, yes, no

Tomorrow I have a Raid mission against IW. Last time the phophex mortars touched me in bad places so I'm tempted to use the Raider chart to infiltrate Contemtpor talons near them. Maybe I'll finish my Not!Leviathan instead...

>>50396343
>>50406795
pretty sure the north sea is completly gone atleast
considering masade came from the salt wastes west of old albia

>>50407004
He is a walking corpse. I dont know if its the lighting or what, but his skin doesnt look very paper white

>>50405966
I read a lot of fluff, and I really want to play Mechanicum. Since soon I can use 30k in both 30k and 40k matches (Mechanicus Taghmata?) I will be spending my Xmas money on an Ordo Reductor army with some Myrmidons and a Lightning mixed in. Planning on painting them Xana colours, and now I have slightly better painting skills than when I started 40k a few months ago, I am going to go all out on these guys. Proper basing with some scenery on big things like Thanatar and Knight, and my Magi. Going to convert a Scoria and have my 1500pt (or 2k, depending on how well I do Christmastime) army entirely done by the time I bring them to the tables.

The local GW where I play has an Ultramarines player, a World Eaters player and a few others. As none I've seen tableside have fully painted armies, I want to make a good first impression.

Also thinking about adding a Shadowsword or Stormlord as my LoW after discovering I can take them a few days ago. They are going to be PROPERLY painted and epic, I'm actually enthused about this and it is going to be awesome!

...right anons? Right....?

>>50407101
About quad mortars, last game I finally had the chance to see how rad-missile servitors did against them.
Half of them missed, but it still did enough damage to kill 2 mortars and crew. It must have scared my opponent greatly, because next turn he had his 10 man Iron Havocs unit with lascannons shoot at them

>>50405966
I play 40k since 3rd ED, now a loyalist IW whos painting is horrible compared to everyone else (the exception is KA) and its ashamed of it

most of my army is at the depainting bucket atm, both 30k and 40k

>>50407341
>(the exception is KA)
Does anyone have a picture of KnightAnon's models? I see them mentioned every so often but I don't think I've seen their work.

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>>50407469
they're pretty bad, please don't post them for the sake of all our eyes. here's my latest attempt at trying to paint.

>>50406061
>point of traps after all
FTFY

>>50407487
Come on, KA isn't that bad. He just made some controversial paint decisions and had some mistakes with yellow + black, that's all.

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>>50407176

>>50404249
It's not that outrageously "cheesy", it's just rather "specialised" and might rape certain low-strength lists to death. I have something rather similar in mind.

Tyrant Siege Termies can't scratch a Spartan at all, so if the opponent has at least some awareness that you're running a "take all comers" list, he'll know to do the same and most likely have a melee deathstar that can take down the Tyrants.

>>50407569
Pictures or link to archive, please?

>>50407149
hmmm I'll try to brighten him up a bit

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>>50407603
I didn't save them. I mean, sure his IF look like Iron Warriors, but if they were, well they'd be some average looking Iron Warriors, and no one would say anything.

>>50407487
what are you planning to use the model for? I was thinking of doing a similar conversion, but the model is huge

>>50407487

All you had to do was clean the damn seam lines, CJ.

Am I a dick if I take 3 vindicators at 2,500?

WIP first try at an Emperor's Children officer made from spare bits (I haven't played in years, my supply is rather limited). The white specks are actually plastic shavings that I didn't see til the picture was taken. I've still got some highlighting to do, but I'll need to mix some lighter purple for that.

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>>50407822
Probably helps to have the image posted too

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>>50407603
>>50407723
very decent iron warriors if I do say so myself

>>50407724
using it as a counts-as gahlan surlak for now, but I might be replacing him soon because he's so fucking big right next to kharn that he makes him look like some kinda manlet.

>>50405532
From Iron, cometh Strength.

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>>50407574
Thanks.
How could I convert my Baneblade variant to look more Admechy? I could replace the sponsons with Arc Rifles from Kataphrons or something, I suppose.

>>50405966
Been a reader and lore fanatic for years now, there's just something about this earlier time in 40k's history that just clicks with me. Only really recently have I've started collecting and with a birthday and Christmas coming up things are looking good.
But on that note, i'm going to be doing Luna Wolves and i'm sort of wondering what to do. Probably doesn't help that i like a lot of things from the different armies in this era... But keeping with just the legion stuff for now, i'm still sort of struggling with what to do? Since I (sadly) don't see myself playing any games soon should i just work on what cools and list building later, or sort of do both in concert?

>>50407972
Like you said, put Mechanicum/cus weapons on it. Pimp it out with skull-and-cogs. Look at some of the Mechanicum tanks on Forge World and try to implement characteristics from those.

>>50407876
Is the defiler actually a defiler?

>>50408024
yeah my friend just plays 40k chaos/night lords, still trying to get him into 30k. I don't know many other HH guys near me.

>>50408007
Yeah, I think that would work. Give the turret officer a Skitarii head to represent an Autokrator, stick Mechanicum transfers around the place and paint the Xana symbol on the side or turret. Going to look badass in Zandri Dust and brass/blood red trim.

>>50408073
>Xana
What is the Xana scheme? I can only find titan schemes.

>>50405739
Cut the wrist off and reposition.

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>>50407802

S-so i-its cool then, r-right guys

>>50408111
Thought about that but that ends up looking like half his hand has disappeared up his vambrace, just wondered if there were any pre-made hands that won't involve putty to clean up.

>>50408103
Close enough. a darker variant of the House Malinax scheme (the FW Knight Atrapos) for the regulars, and the Taghmata Scoria, Scoria's Legio Cybernetica are brass coloured.

I'm tossing in the blood red panels to break it up a bit, shame to give such cool models a monochrome paint job. Also brass trim, since they all serve Mr. Scorpibutt himself.

>>50408128
pretty much anything regular marines can take is safe

Shame no one takes predators. I love predators. The sicaran can go fuck itself.

>>50408185

Okay. I figured that if 3 medusas is an asshole move, 3 vindicators might be too.

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>>50405739
I'm a bit confused, do you want sighting down the blade like pic related (but left handed) or held vertically like he's saluting with the sword before a duel?

Also, is he a loyalist or a traitor?

>>50408204
Think of the range difference, man. Vindicators aren't something you can ignore, but they've never been broken.

Them only having one gun tends to bite them in the ass, too.

>>50408128
>>50407802

3 Vindicators is less skuby than 3 Medusas (who thought it was a good idea to give the fuckers barrage???), but that can still be brutal against an unprepared opponent.

>>50407585
What do iron warriors have to hurt a spartan Death Star? Iron havocs seem like they'd have to put a lot of lascannon shots in to take one down

>>50408300
If somebody is not prepared for 3 AV 13 front vehicles at 2500 points they deserve everything they're getting though

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So, any space wolf players that own Leman Russ: you're going to acquire Magnus's mask from a bitz site to put broken on Russ's base, right?

>>50408265

Okay good to know. I need something to splat some robots

>>50408322
Medusas always hit the side with Barrage, and Str 10 Ordance should count for something. But the most reliable way is grav-guns on either dreadnoughts or land speeders

>>50408329

Misread it as 2000 points, in which case yeah 3 Vindis at 2500 isn't the worst thing in the world.

3 Medusas are still unforgivable though at anything short of Apocalypse

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Are power scythes actually worth it compared to, say, just sticking with the power fist? The -1I on the scythe is taking you below striking first anyway.

>>50408403
are power scythes ap2?

striking before chain/powerfists and power axes is relevant when everyone wears artificer

>>50408230
Exactly like that but left handed, at the moment he's holding his arm fully straight with a vertically held sword at the end, it's just not a good pose.

He's a traitor but is AL so not visibly different from a loyalist.

>>50408380
Oh fuck I forgot barrage ignores flair shields despite having a guard army, well that solves that problem

whats more effective at wrecking spartans:
gastion breacher medusas
or regular medusas?

>>50408403
I'd say it looks a lot cooler than a power fist and is more thematic.

What do y'all use for your Calibani swords?

>>50408403

You hit before the other sergeants power fist at S5 AP2

>>50408421

Hell yeah

>>50408373
No. It looks kinda ugly.

>>50408505
Chainaxes

:^)

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>>50405739
>>50408438
well, there's the plastic assault squad's power sword

Well, I guess 30k TSons still have a shot at being ok

>>50408444
What kind of Medxusa?

>>50408687
T7 3+

>>50408726
T7? Are we talking about the artillery Tank? I'm at a loss here

>>50408750
Militia Meduas are T7 artillery pieces with 4wounds and a 3+ save.

Medusas are the regular 36" S10 ap2 lrg blast Ordnance.
Bastion Breachers are 48" S10 ap1 Sml blast armourbane.

>>50408387
>3 Medusas are still unforgivable though at anything short of Apocalypse
Awww but I love the concept of them. Is two aceptable?

>>50408802
>Medusas are the regular 36" S10 ap2 lrg blast Ordnance.
with barrage. Very important, bypasses flare shields.

>>50408810
Depends on who you face. My RG usually have stealth/shrouded in some capacity plus GtG if need be means I have a 2+/3+ cover save in terrain the one turn the medusa fire before they get blown up.

But things like stone gauntlet/IH/DG marching lists or sally/WE LR lists would cry.

>>50408387
How else do you reliably crack Spartans and kill Primarch+Special Unit deathstars without engaging them in melee?

>>50408444
bastion breechers i'dd say
but you will have to deal with the fact that it's not a barrage shell so no indirect fire
>>50408810
they're weak as shit to anti infantry mortars and counter battery fire
a single volley of a quad rapier with phosfex can wipe them out easily to so i don't see why 3 wouldn't be fine

>>50399880
there are already recast from some chinese people but they still run about $100.00 but shipping is free.

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>>50408952
>artillery kills artillery so artillery is fine
See, that's the sort of thinking that ends up with every list having phosphex rapiers and medusas.

>>50408934
>without engaging them in melee
Myrmidon Destroyer Dakkamancers. Also, Medusae can delete that retinue

>>50409028

the fuck do you expect from artillery
it's whole shtick is literally that it's weak to direct fire but it can hide behind terrain
get it with fast attack options or simply counter it with more cost effective artillery
literally every fucking army since the 19th century has realized how fucking important artillery is in warfare , perhaps you should to

>>50409028
So arrange to play with the house-rule of no arty.

>>50409028
I like crabs. They're tasty
>>50409077
I don't like artillery because its counters are either flyers (which everybody hates), deepstrikers (which not everyone has access to) or yet more artillery (which renders infantry obsolete).

And I wish I could write lists based on what I like, not based on what I NEED to counter.

Can someone post Depression Guy meme with WE Devourers?

>>50409130
forgive me anon , i'm an IG player at heart who loves his basilisks
i forgot the medusas aren't hampered by a minimum range either. you're probably correct it's quite a bit harder to counter in 30k as well due to the rarity of deep strike

as I am adding a Baneblade to my Mechanicum Ordo Reductor list, what's the better variants? I was considering either a Shadowsword for a S10 AP1, +1 on damage table, Tank Hunting, Ordnance, Ignores cover 10" blast, or a Stormlord for sheer BRRRT, because fuck MEQs in general. Think the Stormlord will be blunted a bit by 2+ sarges, though.

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>>50409175
It's ok man, just lets not lie to ourselves, counter listing is a prominent part of the meta

>>50409215
the shadowsword is the strength D 5 inch blast variant isn't it ? or is it diffrent in 30k ?
the best variant imo is the plasma FW one but i'm not sure if that's in 30k

>>50409215
Correction, Stormsword. The Baneblade names tend to confuse me a bit.

>>50408403
Yeah boi

What would be, in your opinions, "typical" and "atypical" but well-functioning Imperial Fists armies?

I find my creativity with the lists rather "writer's-blocked" when it comes to this legion. (Mostly because I don't have the cash for a proper Stone Gauntlet).

>>50407004
Fucking emo birdmen, he does look creepy.

>>50409242
Yes, it is, but I fucked up the names. The 5" D might also be good, but I think I prefer the more reliable weapons. Dropping a D shot on something is badass if you get a 6, but I'd rather fight without that anyway. I would rather kill primarchs and Spartan deathstar units with plain old firepower.

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>>50409322
Now that's the spirit!

>>50409322
i feel the same way
plus 5 inch blast at bs 3 will miss occasionally
the s10 ap1 ignores cover variant is considered the best one by most accounts
don't forget it's not that hard to magnetize the guns so you can get both that and the D