Horus Heresy General /hhg/

What are some good newb-friendly 40k novels?

>>50376427
Legion

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>>50376427
Pic related's series, Gaunt's Ghosts, Eisenhorn series.
>>50376467
Dude, what's wrong with you?

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Reminder that using a non-palatine Aquila in your legionary's chest as opposed to his belt is like wearing the original version of the swastika.
You're not doing anything illegal, but people will still give you mean looks.
It seemed a good comparison

>>50376427
30k is kind of an expansion tto 40k, its a slightly different setting, taking plays 10,000 years beforehand.

You wanna ask in the 40k general for 40k books. Horus Heresy (30k) has a huge series of books, a lot of which are excellent that you should try, I prefer them to 40k, but I'm not sure theyre noob friendly.

>>50376489
All good suggestions, Uriel ventris series too, Nightbringer is a good book, if a bit outdated in current canon. Same with the Ragnar Blackmane series.

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>>50376489
If he starts from there the quality of any BL book he reads will only appear to go higher and higher :^)

>>50376427
Eisenhorn/Ravenor and Enforcer ain't bad.

>>50376541
Except the Aquila is not associated with (neo-)Nazis, just autists who don't know their fluff.

>>50376657
>who don't know their fluff
the distinction between aquila and palatine aquila is a recent thing

Which makes it an easy way to tell who is a fan of old 30k fluff or new 40k fluff.

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>>50376657
>just autists who don't know their fluff.
Again, it seemed like a good comparison

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>>50376568
>Expose yourself to your deepest fears.
Pic related.
>If he starts from there the quality of any BL book he reads will only appear to go higher and higher :^)
That depends if he reads Kyme or not.

>>50376716
Fluff is fluff.

Also, do tell me, what was the symbol of the Imperium in old fluff. Under what banner did the armies of the Imperium march? What was the unifying flag or emblem?

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Come on, guys, let's not argue about the Aquila. If it's pimped out with lightning bolts it's the Emperor's/EC's. If not then it's okay to use it.

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>>50376743
The aquila, dingbat. What was relevant was who could display it on their breastplate, as anon mentioned in >>50376541
. Which I'm sure you were aware of, but here's a direct quotation (and companion image) for you;

>So inspired was the Emperor by the words of his newly-found son that he bestowed on Fulgrim's Legion a unique honour: the Emperor's Children would be permitted to display the Imperial Eagle on their armour's chestplates, the only Legion then allowed to display the symbol in such a manner.

That fluff's been changed now, which, as I said, makes it an easy way to tell who is familiar with old fluff over the new fluff.

>>50376780
>implying we should ever not argue about the aquila

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>>50376801
>>implying we should ever not argue about the aquila
I don't think we should. Also does the Imperium even remember the Palatine Aquila in the modern 40k, or is that just an important history factoid they forget?

>>50376801
>The aquila, dingbat.

Don't come bitching to me when people try to suppress the use of the Aquila on everything while ignoring the simple fact that it is the symbol of the Imperium. I'm not putting Aquilas on anyone's chest, but people who think it should only ever be used by the EC and nobody else can just fucking die.

>>50376855
>The traitorous III Legion betrayed the immense honour the Emperor conceded them when He gave them His own name. Even now they wear a calque of the Aquila and mimic the Imperial battlecry out of envy :^)

>>50377020
I find it hard to believe that after thousands of years of living in the Eye and the Traitor Legions' fractious nature that the EC can generally agree to do that.

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Not really news, but FW confirmed that the WD date for inferno is now inaccurate due the the lead time of printing White Dwarf.

Oh, and neither of the two replies about the sisters are by FW, incidentally.

>>50377076
Well, time is relative in the Eye. To some traitors the Heresy is still on and barely any time has passed to them.

>>50377076
It's meant to be read as if the source was Regimental Standard

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>>50376415
>Welcome To The Salty Spittoon, Legionary. How Tough Are You? Edition

Also

>>50372749
>>50372757
>Chem bolts
Poisoned(3+) is pretty good for that points cost. The pricing right now is from Veteran Tacs. So they have a CCW, 2A, and choice of Tactics. The CCW and +1A can be attributed to dual Bolt Pistols and Rad Grenades and the tactics to firing pistols a total of three times. Adding Poisoned(3+) would increase their cost, unless it's another upgrade you pay for. Like 7 points for Dual Bolt Pistols with Alchemical ammo.

Then

Alchemical Ammo: Weapons with this rule gain the Poisoned(3+) rule. (Maybe Poisoned 4+ instead)

Then the rule for shooting three times should just be worded "Models with this rule may fire one pistol an additional time." That way Gunslinger triggers for 2 shots, then this one for 3. Which would be insane for Hand Flamers. May need to think on that one.

Then to avoid Destroyers being too good(or just to give them Alchemical Ammo base) you could amend Lone Killer to never be scoring. To represent their disdain for anything but killing and the legions dislike of them.

so then HHG i have a challence for you.
how to best use Phalanx Warders with power axes. i really love the models but i'm finding it hard to use them effectively.

>>50377184
Oh, thank God. I would have ended up going over budget otherwise.

>>50377524
Do they gain any bonus in the ZM rite, or is that regular Breachers only?

Not sure if it's been posted, but the new GW paint video shows how to do the AL colors the right way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QksrFJyT5A4

>>50376415
>Welcome to the Salty Spitoon, Legionary. How Tough Are You?

I by CCW'S for my World Eaters, and they aren't chainaxes.

>>50377524
Well that's quite the challenge. Breachers are already meh, but then Phalanx Wardens are even more points for just one situational special rule. At least the previous version could chuck breacher charges at initiative 5 when charged, but now ...

>tfw Invictarus are better in every aspect than phalanx warden with power axes and less points to boot

>>50376415
>How Tough Are You?

I footslog Indomitus suits.

>>50376415
I used to play Thousand Sons only in 40k during 6th as well as 7th. And then the local 40k scene basically died when Age of Smegma happend ...

Thank the Emperor for B@C reviving 40k in the form of 30k

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>>50377652
>i have alpharius here

>>50377669
That's not tough, jus stupid.

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>TFW purchase over £75 of FW on the 9th of Nov

>TFW when voucher giving free shipping on next order until christmas if you spend over £75 from the 11th of Nov

>>50377652

>the right way

There is no single 'right way' to paint the Alpha Legion. There's not even a right colour. Regardless, I'm not a huge fan of the result he gets there

>>50376415
>Welcome To The Salty Spittoon, Legionary. How Tough Are You?
I'm planning to use recon squads. Does that count?

>>50378008
That's maybe the best part about Alpha Legion : even the fluff supports the notion that there is no wrong coloursceme.

>>50377353
sounds good to me,

>>50378026

Could BA get some mileage out of a couple of recon squads with nuncio-voxes infiltrated up close in order to provide pinpoint T1 DS for multiple assault squads using the Day of Revelation RoW, or is it just a forlorn hope?

>>50378008
>>50378090

Does anyone have that fluff quote about meme legion showing up on different occasions in any number of colours, from purple to beige, turquoise, grey ceramite, and chrome?

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>>50376415
It's not happening in December.

Where are the rules for astartes shotguns? I actually can't seem to find them in the big book.

Likewise is there a reason to give them to blackshield marauder squads? Say an army with them and they look sick.

>>50378375
fuck you white dwarf mother fuckers, fuck all of you god damnit that is fucking unfair

they like playing with people's emotions huh, well fjck em, let's see if they'll like what I have prepared. no one fucks with the space wolves and gets away with it, just like those faggy inquisitors

>>50376895
>but people who think it should only ever be used by the EC and nobody else can just fucking die.
oh, right on

They've been on the belt of the mk2 for yonks (since the old pewter variant in the 90's, at the earliest), so there's nothing really stopping a marine having it on their person elsewhere.

>>50376855
I'm not sure. They might? I mean, what we know as the "palatine aquila" in modern 30k was originally created for 40k as part of 2nd edition's rebranding (alongside a bunch of other faction logos).

>>50378418
Humour us, what exactly do you have prepared?

>>50378249

That's what I'm planning on doing with my BAs. Let's hope it works.

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>>50378468
Ii just bought my ticket to nottingham and Im going to show up in person and fucking tell them what's what

>>50378149
>>50377353
Ok after running some crunch here what I've come up with(note the rules 'language' isn't perfect yet):

Destroyers: Unit cost down to 100, Jump pack cost down to 50 points, 15pp additional model, replace Bolt Pistols with Bio-alchemical Bolt Pistols. Usual Upgrades for Sarge.

For every three models, one may exchange one of its Bio-alchemical Bolt Pistols for one for the following:
-Missile Launcher with Rad Missiles Only 25 points
-Irad Cleanser 10 points
-Dual Plasma Pistols* 25 points
(*If this option is taken it replaces both Bio-alchemical Bolt Pistols)

Any model may exchange both its Bio-alchemical Bolt Pistols for:
-Dual Lucifex 7 points
-Dual Volkite Serpentas 7 points
-Dual Bio-alchemical Hand Flamers 25 Points

Killing Salvo: Models with this special rule may fire one non-template pistol weapon an additional time.

Disdain for Life: Units with this special rule never count as scoring, regardless of the mission being played but always count as a denial unit. May not be joined by an Apothecary.

Bio-alchemical: Add the Poisoned(4+) special rule to the weapon.

The Irad cleanser is better than the Lucifex(even with 3 shots), so much so that having it compete directly didn't make sense. Then 475 for 10 dudes with dual plasma(that has 3 shots) and packs was a bit zany. Now they are good at killing, nothing more, nothing less. They have one job.

>>50378585
>Im going to show up
>Ryanair
Pick one.

>>50378557

They're certainly not worth taking for their fighting prowess, but a couple of hudred points might not be too bad a tax in a larger game if it lets your other stuff arrive accurately and unharmed.

The Thirteenth Wolf link anyone?

>>50378602
looks very good, but probably rename disdain for life for some sort of punishment - since some people got put in the destroyer corps as a punishment or as censure.

Hows this for a 2k Word Bearers list?

+ HQ (310pts) +

····Legion Centurion (125pts) [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Plasma Pistol, Refractor Field]
······Consul [Chaplain]

····Legion Praetor (185pts) [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Plasma Pistol]

+ Elites (305pts) +

····Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought (305pts) [Tainted Power Claw with inbuilt Curs'd Boltspitter]

+ Troops (620pts) +

····Legion Tactical Squad (160pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
······Additional Wargear [Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Bolters, Nuncio-vox]
······Legion Tactical Sergeant [Bolter, Chainsword/Combat Blade, Melta Bombs]

····Legion Tactical Squad (160pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
······Additional Wargear [Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Bolters, Nuncio-vox]
······Legion Tactical Sergeant [Bolter, Chainsword/Combat Blade, Melta Bombs]

····Legion Tactical Support Squad (175pts) [4x Legion Space Marines, Plasma Guns]

····Legion Tactical Support Squad (125pts) [4x Legion Space Marines, Volkite Calivers]

+ Fast Attack (265pts) +

····Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod (115pts)

····Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (150pts)
······Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]
······Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]

+ Heavy Support (250pts) +

····Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (80pts)
······Legion Whirlwind [Hyperios air-defence Missiles, Twin-Linked Bolter]

····Legion Heavy Support Squad (170pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 4x Legion Space Marines]

+ HQ (160pts) +

····Force Commander (160pts) [Blast Pistol, Blast Pistol, Cyber-familiar, Digital Laser, Melta Bombs, Power Armour]
······The Muster of Worlds [Cult Horde, Tainted Flesh]

+ Troops (90pts) +

····Inducted Levy Squad (90pts) [Auxilia Pistols, Frag grenades, 39x Levy Auxiliaries]

>>50378585
>>50378418
Another one onto the pile of reasons why space wolf players deserve all the derision they get.

So when I read through the tacticas on 1d4chan and the HHG threads, I see a lot about"take Mechanicum allies for some robots" to the IH and IW.

Does that sound good the other way around? I want to add some sexy MK3 or MK4 marines and some of their toys that work well with Mechanicum to my Ordo Reductor or Legio Cybernetica.

They will either be Iron Hands or Iron Warriors, probably IH. What do those Legions offer me that I can't do myself, and what are cost-effective options? My lists are fairly standard since I haven't got an extensive collection.

>>50379240
You lack transports: your opp is going to rain ap 3 artillery down upon your silly head. split those javelins into two squads, makes them more resilient to damage

the allied det is good, DROWN THEM IN BODIES

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Alright /hhg/, what are you thankful for today?

I'm thankful for finally getting my color scheme the right tint of green and being able to get it done quickly now.

>>50379409
I'm thankul for my squad of Tartaros terminators arriving within a day of my Land Raider.

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I only stopped laffin' now

>>50379409
I'm thankful thanksgiving was last month and I don't have to make an elaborate meal and entertain company.

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>>50379409
I'm thankful classes are almost over for the semester so I can order+start working on my loyalist Emperor's Children

>>50376427
Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy In Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein, Fulgrim, The First Heretic, Betrayer, Mechanicum. More or less in that order, and it gives you a pretty good introduction to the Horus Heresy.

>>50376415
Which armour marks do you think represents each Legion the most out of Mk2, Mk3 and Mk4.
>I.e Imperial Fists: Mk3, Ultramarines, Mk4, and so on

>>50379398

This better?


+ HQ (160pts) +

Force Commander (160pts) [Blast Pistol, Blast Pistol, Cyber-familiar, Digital Laser, Melta Bombs, Power Armour]
The Muster of Worlds [Cult Horde, Tainted Flesh]

+ Troops (90pts) +

Inducted Levy Squad (90pts) [Auxilia Pistols, Frag grenades, 39x Levy Auxiliaries]

+ HQ (310pts) +

Legion Centurion (125pts) [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Plasma Pistol, Refractor Field]
Consul [Chaplain]

Legion Praetor (185pts) [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Plasma Pistol]

+ Elites (305pts) +

Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought (305pts) [Tainted Power Claw with inbuilt Curs'd Boltspitter]

+ Troops (615pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (200pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
Additional Wargear [Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Bolters, Nuncio-vox]
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Twin-Linked Bolter]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Bolter, Chainsword/Combat Blade, Melta Bombs]

Legion Tactical Squad (200pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
Additional Wargear [Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Bolters, Nuncio-vox]
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Twin-Linked Bolter]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Bolter, Chainsword/Combat Blade, Melta Bombs]

Legion Tactical Support Squad (215pts) [4x Legion Space Marines, Plasma Guns]
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Twin-Linked Bolter]

+ Fast Attack (265pts) +

Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod (115pts)

Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (75pts)
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]

Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (75pts)
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]

+ Heavy Support (255pts) +

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (80pts)
Legion Whirlwind [Hyperios air-defence Missiles, Twin-Linked Bolter]

Legion Heavy Support Squad (175pts) [4x Legion Space Marines]
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Twin-Linked Bolter]

>>50378585
Absolute madman.

>>50379409
I'm thankful for Betrayal at Calth, the surprisingly reasonable prices on Forgeworld vehicles, Tamiya transparent colours and a sensible allies system.

>>50379480
>He thinks it's Christmas Eve

>>50379890
>he thinks everyone is American

>>50379468
holy shit this is amazing

OK, I've decided I want some space marines for a reasonably small force and a break from painting Mechanicum.
I've decided on Salamanders, and I was planning on BaC and 3 Rhinos with either meltas or heavy flamers, and allying in some Reductor for Lightning fighters, Thallax and Vorax for fast melee, as well as some artillery and a graviton Imploder Myrmidon squad.

Does that sound a)feasible and b) decent?
I thought about all the edgy marines and decided that I wanted something contrasting with my Xana II Mechanicum.

>>50379409
I'm thankful I'm off today.

I'm mad that by the time I had money for Bloodbowl they were already out of the Season One book though.

I've been running Terror Assault with Infiltrating Terror Squads and they've been getting absolutely mulched. Is buying every squad a Dreadclaw prohibitively expensive or worthwhile? I'm going to get them anyway, because they look amazing, but it'd be nice to know that I wasn't shooting myself in the foot in-game too. The rest of the list so far is a bunch of Assault Marines/Night Raptors with Curze, some kind of Consul to fill HQ, and I don't know what else - leaning towards a Leviathan in a pod and running a real claw assault drop pod list, but I desperately need Str8 AP2 because at the moment my friend's Justaerin just tear through everything I have.

>>50379945
What are your veteran/tactical squad loadouts looking like, and what are you doing with your HQ/Terminators? Seems like it could be a goo/fun list.

>>50379380
>My lists are fairly standard
Be more specific anon.

>>50376541
Nobody who puts an Aquila in their minis is a nazi. Avoid Swaztikas and in some cases iron crosses

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>>50378616

>>50379468
>fjck
What did he mean by this?

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Which paint scheme goes /hhg/ prefer for Cybernetica robots? Left or right?

Disregard excess skulls and Khorne symbols.

>>50380103
Do a spiderman scheme.

>>50380117
>Using more than two primary colours

>>50379542
THICC

>>50380050
Cybernetica - 4 Castellax and Thanatar, 40 Thralls, a Vulturax and some Vorax, plus a couple basic Magos Dominus and the Archmagos with the T6 4W 3++.

Reductor - 2x3 Meltabombs and Destructor Thallax, 40 Thralls, some Myrmidon Destructors in Triaros, 2 or 3 Medusa, and an Archmagos Archimandrite and Magos Reductor. Maybe a Krios Venator or two.

>>50380141
>not using three

>>50380006
I am really not sure, since I am not too familiar with the SM books. Was planning on Pride otL if that allows Mechanicum allies, and 2 Vet squads with artificer, Nuncio-vox and Vexcilla.
If not, some regular Tac squads in Rhinos, probably. Are those any good? I am really not sure on the specifics of SM list building.

Termie are probably going to be Firedrakes with Chainfists and Thunder Hammers as welll as Storm Shields, with the Praetor in a LR.
Is there any basic things for kitting out Praetors? Was planning on EW, Paragon blade, Digital lasers and a 3++ with Cataphractii + Storm shield.

>>50379971
Check ebay.

>>50380281
Pride of the legion is probably your best bet; either that, or the Salamanders rite of war that improves your meltas and shit. If you go with the veterans, you have to bear in mind what their weapon loadout will be; you probably won't have much need of nuncio-voxes unless you're running artillery, and you may as well give them some flamers.

You also need to get the specific Firedrake kit, honestly. Storm shields are just too good on them, and I don't think Firedrakes come in Cataphractii armour anyways. The praetor loadout looks fine.

>>50380103
oh shit is that what the vorax is based off of?

>>50378467
wow, HOW DO YOU FAGGOTS STILL EXIST??? seriously, it's been explained so many hundreds of times to you stupid fuck muppets, there is a difference between the imperial aquila and the palatine aquila.. ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? or just RETARDED?
WHY ARE YOU STILL DEBATING THIS?
They are TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING SYMBOLS... the EC wear one, the Imperium wears another... HOLY FUCK YOU ARE SO ANNOYING AND DUMB

>>50380690
Anon, you do realise that the guy you are replying is taking the same, yet less ornery position as you?

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>>50380521
Yup, the Crusader-class battle-automata. Of which the Vorax is a pattern/subtype.

>>50380103
Well, going on these pictures I would say the red body one, but from the picture "someone" just posted on 30k swe, I would say that black limbs look better.

>>50380850
My anonymity is ruined!
>I would say the red body one
>I would say that the black limbs look better
Red-body Black-limbs is the same one. But that's what you meant?

>>50380773
I think he's having a sperg-out because I said the """palatine""" aquila is from '93, and was back then no different from the regular aquila.

>>50380690
Show me on your army list where the Chainaxes touched you, anon.

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>>50379409
All of you beautiful bastards, except trip/namefags and KA. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and if you know you won't or don't celebrate it, I still love you. Unless you're a name/tripfag. Or KA.

>>50380924
What about former trip/namefags that gave into popular demand and became anon?

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>>50380941
You're still stupid and don't get the point but at least you tried I guess. I give modest camaraderie.

>>50376415
I run seekers.
Footslogged.
Against Tau.

>>50381016
And an ordinatus, right?

>>50376415
I spam unupgraded Tech Thralls against Iron Warriors.

>>50380954
Anon, full camaraderie. We're all on the Blighnade's Mild Ride, and we'll be on his Not So Mild Ride for the next 3 books.

>>50381058
Yeah, so?

>>50381029
Nope, just enough tactical blobs to make his shooting phase a nightmare.

>>50377184
in the Battlebunnies entry covering the Open Day they say Feb 2017.

>>50376415

I ran 1000 points of footslogging terminators against cybernetica

>>50376415
I play nothing but Tactical Squads in Rhinos in Apocalypse games.

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>>50381065
I just have no sympathy for attention whores. I don't even respond to them if they have a trip/name on, even if I have the answer to their question.

>>50379759
Looks good, now just to field test it!

>>50380872
Fuck, I meant that the red-armed models look better.

Dont worry, your secret identity is safe with me ;)

>>50380850
>swe
Society of Women Engineers?

>>50381392
Swedistan, I suspect.

>>50381392
What if the IW had an allied regiment of waifu engineers?

>>50381505
they'd probably be a lot less bitter

>>50381505
They'd get friendzoned, and the waifu engineers would all get together with IF's.

>>50381348
I'm thinking about doing red arms-black torso for smaller models like the Thallax, the other way around for larger ones like Castellax and Thanatars. Thallax don't carry the black limbs as well as the other automata do.

Did someone ever upload the PDF of the Taghmata Army List converted from EPUB?

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So what disappointing release will it be tomorrow?

More knight heads?

Another tau superheavy weapon option?

A warlord titan alternate foot set?

>>50381636
Siege tyrants have been confirmed.

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>>50381636
That big knight, maybe?

>>50381685
knights were a mistake

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>>50381695
Space marines were a mistake.

>>50381636
>A warlord titan alternate foot set?
This is best option

But propably new knight porysomething

Btw why FW doesn't made IW siege termies? Really putting rocket launcher on existing models and giving them something unique(new head, special shoulder pad) is that hard? I understand Alpharius, Dorn. They need their own unique models, their own bases etc, but those tyrant terminators. wtf?

>>50381753
Keep in mind, Forgeworld for the most part makes what it wants to make, there may be some scheduling, but mostly it's what they like to do.
That's why the AM/IA have a 100 million tank variants, but very few actual new troops.

They've been pretty decent for HH, as I expected all the vehicles to come first, as you might expect from a company full of tread-heads.

So it's not that they don't have an idea of what to do with them, it's mostly that they're not really interested in doing them yet.

>>50380924
what model is that?
that is fucking beautiful and i want one

>>50381636
Deredeo Arachnus Lascannon Battery

>>50378602
>>50379008
"Destroyer Corps"
"Shunned"
"Damned"
"Necessary Evil"

>>50381881
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NZ/Lucius-Alpha-Pattern-Warlord-Titan-Head?_requestid=11710930

>>50381636
Lion O'Johnson.

Long before he actually gets rules. Just to mock the XXth.

>>50381881
Titan Crew
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-WW/Lucius-Alpha-Pattern-Warlord-Titan-Head

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I cant believe I paid £16 for a transfer sheet...

>>50381914
he's so fucking beautiful I'm gonna go cry and rethink my painting choices.

>>50381924
calm down KA

>>50381901
>Lion O'Johnson.
>Oi chucker not care who knows de truth nigh, the-morra, or in cock an' 'en t'ousan' years. loyalty is its own reward.

>>50381939
too late I'm crying

>>50381914
Dont worry bro, my transfers dont show up well either

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>>50381705
Heard you talking shit m8.

Though I wouldn't hear?

>Diabolus autem non irridetur bitch!

>>50381914
internet points for whoever spots my modelling cheapness/shortcuts

>>50381978
Lack of vambrace or whatever it's called on the pistol wrist suggests a MkVII arm.

>>50381978
pistol arm and the use of GW blood paint

>>50382000
that's one of them. actually they're not even GW, I got them off anvil industries

>>50382012
>>50381914
and an undrilled barrel

>>50382026
fuck.

I'm gonna try that tint paint for my TS. Not because I'm having a hard time with putting on metallic red, but because I'm doing white trim and it's a bitch. I'm gonna undercoat white spray and then mask that shit off and put on a tint-made red and it's gonna take forever but if I like it, it will be so fucking worth it.

>>50382026
>>50382036
actually there is a valid reason for this. That bolt pistol is not actually a bolt pistol. I cba to buy resin FW tigrus bolt pistols, so I shaved the barrel and gas block off the front of a tigrus pattern bolter, and then cut the bolter down to just in front of the magazine. Then I glued the barrel to that, hence the lack of front sight post.
This process meant I could drill out the barrel before, and it wasn't stable enough after.

>>50382042
Warpspeed, anon

>>50382092
*couldn't

>>50381914
Moldline on the axe hand.

>>50382339
>Moldline Hunter

Will I ever need more than 10 Templar Brethren in my army?

>>50381685

>Forgeworld will charge $200 USD
>China will charge $50

>>50383133
and you'll spend 30 hours cleaning up all the flash and bends, and greenstuffing all the fuckups on it

>>50380924

What if you have a name everyone calls you, but don't namefag?

>>50383280
I'll still love you.

>>50383496

Not sure that's a rousing endorsement.

>>50383524
I could say (((I))) endorse you too, but we're all anons now ;^) anon.
Happy Thanksgiving day

Building some MkII marines, flamer support squad.
I have extra MkIII torso's, shoulder pads and emblem shoulder pads.
How much of a fit would you, /HHG/, have if I fielded them with those upgrades?

Just finished deliverance lost

Didn't really make me like the raven guard more

Did make me appreciate S5/T5 blackshields though

jesus fuck no wonder the alpha legion could keep coming back from the dead after the inquisition declared them eradicated so many times

>>50383822

>shoulder pads

Literally nothing wrong

>torsos

Personally I think it just covers up too much of the MkII detail but that's just my preference, lore wise it's completely fine

>>50383822
mk2 torsos are sexy so I'd be a little upset but probably keep my autism in check if we were gaming in person

>>50383885
>>50383833
I think I am going to go with the MkII torso's then.

>>50383970
Do a mixed armor squad. Fluff it as 'we can't really afford to give you all better arms/armor so we're going to uparmor a few of your kits and you stand in front of everyone else' or a mk3 squad that are still in line to get their ablative armor repaired/replaced and so are effectively wearing mk2 for the moment.

>>50376415
How does /HHG/ feels about inferno being pushed back to 2017?
Is the shitstorm averted for the time being?

>>50385190
>How does /HHG/ feels about inferno being pushed back to 2017?

We've known this for months now, Bligh himself said that in the last event.

>>50385221
Sorry, new to HH, 40k is going bananas after the whole wrath of Magnus thing.

>>50385248
Don't mention that, I'm so fucking hyped for Magnus and his thousand offspring I'm considering to have somebody lock me up when the releases are out, to stop me from throwing all my money away for Thousands Sons.

Guys, I've fucked up. I'm going to my first HH event tomorrow and I had a plan to get all my shit painted with at least 3 colours on each model but I got called in to work Wednesday and Thursday so I fell behind schedule. I'm not taking anything in bare resin, everything is at the very least basecoated and WYSIWYG, but I feel like I'm going to be That Guy.

Am I going to annoy people with my unfinished army?

>>50385461
depends on your area
For example in my area having 2 fully painted units in your army is impressive

>>50385461
wanna post pics of your dudes to help motivate me to paint tonight?

>>50385543
Post pics of yours so we can see where you're at.

>>50376732
guy on the right is a boxer/mma fighter, his face has been battered so much - hence why it looks like that. dumb meme image

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>>50385866
Pretty much nowhere, just washing dudes.

>>50386111
That FW wash recipe working out for ya, KA?

>>50386158
so far so good, it's practically retard proof
t. retard

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>>50383496
This guy again...

finished up my allied detatchment /HHG/ tell me what you think;
Reductor covenant 1250 points
Archmagos reductor, abeyant, machinator array, Paragon blade, Rad grenades, power fist, 2 phosophex bombs, breaching charge, cyber familiar.
5 Thallax, heavy chainblades, Ferrox
4 Scyllax, frags, 1 meltagun
Minotaur, blessed autosimulcra
Triaros, blessed autosimulcra

>>50386616
magos goes with the scyllax in the triarios and set their sights on the spookiest thing on the field, be it a knight or a tarpit

>Welcome To The Salty Spittoon, Legionary. How Tough Are You?
Footslog. Everything.

>>50380098
Maybe he meant Vlka Fenryka is comyng to fjck up White Dwarf

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>>50385543
So, not the best pic but...

Pretty fortunate I'm RG, but upset that I've fallen into the "Prime black, transfers, done" level of laziness. In my defense the black has a fair amount of depth and highlighting to it that the photo can't pick up.

>>50386983
Nah I think it was just a rage-fueled mistype. Besides closet-furries most SW fans are also closet-khorne-worshippers after all.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Legio-Custodes-Caladius-Grav-Tank

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Death-Guard-Deathshroud-Power-Scythes

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Emperors-Children-Phoenix-Power-Spears

>>50387102
noice
>that open hand for the phoenix spears
thats some quality librarian fodder, that is

>>50387102
Damn, looks like the rules for that Custodus tank haven't changed a bit. For only 30 points more than an Sicaran it gets a obscene amount of extra bells and whisltes.

>>50376415
What is the fluffiest possible list, /hhg/?

>>50387286
Bike-heavy White Scars

>>50387286
any legion specific ROW list thats not min-maxed, 20 man tacticals

>>50387014
>the black has a fair amount of depth and highlighting
I honestly can't see ANY level of highlighting. Seems you just primed them with black and then applied some decals. Looks pretty dull. No offence.

>>50385248
I'm dreading that GW will yet again take the Space Wolves fluff in a terrible direction.

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>>50387853
The wolfening is at maximum capacity already.

>>50387853
it honestly can't go further downhill at this point
they went from space vikings to full wolf

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>>50387910
>>50387956
>He thinks it can't somehow get more wolf
Behold, fenrisian wolfolfwolves.

>>50387981
Make it stop.

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>>50387988
No.

>>50387988
there are no wolfolves on fenris

>>50387956
This is why I look forward to Inferno.

>>50388022
truely the wolf time is upon us now.

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>>50387853
>>50387910
>>50387981
>>50387988
>>50388022
At this point the Overwolf may die from too much wolf. Behold my edit!

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>>50388061
Here's the original if any of you lot are curious.

>>50388022
Are you Phil Kelly?

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>>50388022
None may withstand the might of the gigawolf.

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>>50388070
Anon, stop!

>>50388070
Now we need two of them and a grav-chariot.

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Hey guys, I heard the wolftime had happened and I hope I'm not too late.

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>>50388070

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>>50388097
Uncle Leman, why didn't you tell our cousins to not go overboard with the wolf theme?

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>>50388121
I thought it would be obvious, what the fuck was Bjorn thinking.
I mean, look at these guys.

>>50388137
I guess Bjorn assumed that it would be obvious too, and they didn't want to wake him up over something stupid unlike waking him up to tell stories about you.

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>>50388148
What about my other glorious chapter of space marines, the wolf brothers, how are they doing?

>>50388137
>>50388148
I'm pretty sure that Bjorn is actually some sort of idiot.

>>50388166
Yeah about them. They were disbanded and unsurprisingly there was Magnus involvement.
>>50388169
He's asleep most of the time, and could you blame him to wanting to believe that his younger brothers going overboard with the wolf theme is apart of a nightmare? The Iron Priests do know that he hates how they make his body more ornate, and they do it anyway as a joke.

>>50388166
Dead on arrival.

>>50388204
>>50388221
How many times do I have to kill that deamonfucking nerdy fuck.

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>>50388241
As many as it takes, but it might not work as he is a daemon and they're pic related.

>>50388241
>How many times do I have to ATTEMPT to kill that nice guy who did nothing wrong.
FTFY

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>>50388252

>>50388271
It's now confirmed canon by BL that Magnus is responisble for ruining humanity's future prospects because he ruined the webway gate on Terra. At least that is the Emperor's official fluff opinion now.

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>>50388285
They're determined. http://www.wildlifemanagementpro.com/2007/08/10/bodyless-rattlesnake-head-bites-man/

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>>50388285
>invasion_of_prospero.bmp

>>50388306
>At least that is the Emperor's official fluff opinion now.
Only because they couldnt take back the webway gate. Looking at you Mechanicus 'loyalists'. If Russ had actually taken Magnus back to Terra he could have sat on the throne so Emps could get up and fix it.

Besides noone has yet told me why the webway project was a good idea. Its basically a Dolmen gate and thats not special at all.

>>50388130
starting death guard player here
how does this screw us over ?

>>50388345
The webway is Warp travel without having to expose yourself to the many horrors of the Warp. It would also mean that the Navigators would be made redundant and that there would be one less subfaction that could make demands in the Imperium.

Although, it was probably a foolish idea to make the project on Terra because the Emperor was putting all his eggs in one basket. But the Emperor is also the same guy that pretended to get killed by a huge Ork warboss to fuck with Horus' emotions.

>>50388345
it would make another age of strife impossible which is what, combined with the men of steel fucked over humanity in the first place

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>>50388345
Read pic, then think how nice it would be to not have to.

>>50388396
>>50388410
>>50388455
No guys thats what the webway would do. The Webway Project was the Emperors entry into the webway built on Terra of all places. Stupid idea when Dolmen Gate exist or he could have just used a normal webway gate. He literally built a back door into the most important world in the Imperium, and then acted surprised when it bit him in the ass.

>>50388455
Would be nicer not to have to read something so poorly written

>>50388496
Dolmen Gates is Necron technology that is also unstable. The Emperor wanted to build a more reliable gate that the Webway wouldn't seal and for Terra to remain the relevant seat of power in the Imperium.

>>50387853
well just look at

>>50378418
>>50378585
At this point there's basically nothing FW can do about the wolves that wouldn't have all of them foaming at the mouth and screaming obscenities like the petulant children that they are.

Look forward to /HHG/ being shithole threads for many weeks starting February 4.

>>50388547
>implying I give any fucks about my fellow Vlka Fenryka players

Fuck those guys.

>>50388547
Ah yes, the 'All SWs and SW players are terrible in everyway' poster, I look forward to a /hhg/ full of you complaining about SWs that never materialise.

>>50388547
Magnus, please go.

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>>50388306

>>50388381
Enjoy paying £12 per terminator scythe.

>>50388693
are they common/good to put on terminators ?
i've only painted my praetor so far and haven't looked a lot at the rules yet i thought it was only something characters could take

>>50383133
>thinking a mini the size of a warhound will only be 200

>>50388693
>>50388130
Why would you not just buy the deathshroud set if you want terminators with scythes? Only the sergeant can take a scythe in a normal termi squad anyway, so it's not like any other unit needs scythes on every model.

>>50388749
Maybe I don't want tartaros terminators? Maybe I got more than one terminator character? Maybe I want to convert my own deathshrouds?

Also, why is it that the kit comes with 4 PA scythes, when regular marines cannot have anymore scythes than terminators can?

>>50388769
>Maybe I don't want tartaros terminators? Maybe I want to convert my own deathshrouds?
deathshrouds are tartaros, though

>>50388813
Deathshrouds are terminator armour though

>>50388817
So, indominatus then, sucks to be DG.

>>50388769
Because you're likely to have more power armoured squads than terminator squads, and thus more need of scythes for power armoured sergeants than terminator armoured sergeants.

And yes, I realise POTL with lots of legion terminator squads is a thing, but it seems unlikely that most people playing death guard will do that rather than use deathshroud & grave wardens. Seems forgeworld have hedged their bets and supplied the option they feel will be useful to the greatest number of customers.

>>50388868
Even if you're playing POTL with lots of legion terminator squads you could buy a squad of deathshroud and use the models as sergeants.

>>50388868
They're well in their rights to do so, if they feel like it, but since it doesn't serve my purpose, I'm within my rights to not buy it and continue looking for better options.

>>50388845
Doesn't stop a bunch of deathguard players from claiming that because it's 'unspecified' they can have their deathshroud have tartaros the one game and them cataphractii the next. With the same models.

>>50388907
I call it tartaphractii armor

>>50388935
Personally I like REEEEEtartaphractii more :^)

>>50388898
Can't mix terminator armour in squads.

Personally, I don't like resin and the less I can have of it the better. Conversion bits I'm fine with, but I'd rather spend hours converting and modelling plastic kits than buy resin, even if it would take less effort and money.

>>50388907
I'm almost sure there's a rule where it says "unspecified Terminator armor is always Indomitus/Tartaros/Cataphractii"

>>50389071
>"If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army."
-Legion army list, pg. 133

>>50388130
>>50388381
>>50388693
>>50388721
>>50388749
>>50388769
Why don't you just put the Power Armour scythes on Terminators? The hands can't be that different. Or cut the scythe apart and put it on Terminator hands.

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>>50378616

DGfag here.
I'm kitting out my Praetor currently, is Cataphracti with scythe any good or should I just go with a paragon blade and volkite charger?

>>50389119
>The hands can't be that different.

There's a noticeable difference.

>Or cut the scythe apart and put it on Terminator hands.

Pinning something like that goes only so far. I've had way thicker pieces snap even with pinning.

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Yo, boys, question for yer. What do you think this "Super-Earth" is like in 30k? I might be an idiot but chances it turned out to be Chthonia?

>>50389244
Forget Cthonia, I'm worried about the race of super-mice we seem to be engineering.

>>50389277
Well we actually do know a lot more about mice than we know about humans. Though the difference in moral concerns with experiments has something to do with it.

>We could really use Fabius Bile to step in is what I'm saying here :^)

>>50389277
It's nothing to worry about probably. It's not like we'll create Skaven or anything.

>>50389342
Yes-yes, this human is correct, nothing to worry about.

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>>50389389
>this human
Now I regret saying there's probably nothing to worry about.

>>50389389
Seem-seems legit, I trust what this anon-thing is sayingspeaking and you should too.

>>50389277
Laboratory mice are far from being ubermäuse. Arguably they're less capable than wild mice, since they don't have to worry about day-to-day survival.

Wonder how long till FW puts out a similar conversion kit to the plastic tartaros kit as they did for the plastic cataphractii. Want to give mine some power weapons, but only got 1 sword per kit.

>>50388061
>>50388065
Kek

>>50389438
Not to mention lab rats are bred to be more susceptible to disease so we can test drugs on them

>>50388907
>With the same models.
I think you have to model them with cataphractii to gain cataphractii rules.

>>50389389
Agreed fellow hominid! There's nothing to worry about

>>50389627
It's so greatgood that we can enjoy anthropoid activities together.

Master of MANKIND tomorrow, can't wait for that shit!

>>50388907
Well they're retards. The rules is that if the rule doesn't specify the type of terminator armour, you use the suit that's on the model.

Only major problem is that "terminator armour" is both a type and not a type. That is, terminator armour has it's own rules, but at the same time it's not a type of terminator armour like cataphractii and tartaros. So lets say FW makes unit X that's in Indomitus. But Indomitus doesn't have its own rules, it's just "terminator armour". So the unit entry says "terminator armour". But under the rules, because it doesn't give a type (cataphractii, tartaros), you can have the unit in any type of terminator armour you wish, as long as it's represented on the model.

I don't know how people just let FW slide with their bad wordings. I've sent them several emails about various topics I've come across just making my own armies and none of them have been answered.

>>50389848
Horus dies in the end.

SPOILERS

Do you guys model your vets to make them look veteran-y? Like putting on the holstered bolt pistols or blades or nades etc.

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>>50389890
Fuuckk

>>50389902
Give them extra grenades like you said, I also weather them by painting them dirtier than the normal scrubs. Or you could make scratches with a knife or bullet holes with a pin vice on their armour, only a few thought. Less is more.

You could also mix the close combat weapons up, give some long knives, short knives, some chainswords and so on.

Give some of them bionic arms or legs to represent old wounds. You could also mix armour marks a bit up, if you feel like it.

>>50389902
Mine are Terran vets with lightning bolts, aquilas (not on torso, calm your mad) and crests on helmet.

>>50389902
I do, but I also do that with all my regular guys as well to make them less boring to paint. Also means I can use them as Taxticals and sniper vets. Only time I don't try to vary my models is with Legio Cybernetica and other Mechanicum stuff, I like the uniformity there.

Ok, I want to add some SM squads in Rhinos to my Mechanicum as forward objective holders and because cool. Can I somehow take something other than tacticals or am I stuck with them, and if I am, what do I do with 10-man tacs other than hold objectives.

Also, small-scale dubs pick my legion. I would prefer something I am Sworn Brothers with, though.

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>>50390052
>Also, small-scale dubs pick my legion.
Raven Guard.

>>50390052
You play WS now faggot

>>50390111
Trips of truth confirm it, hope you like painting white and you feel the need for speed

>>50390052
If I'm not mistaken, you could take a delegatus console and take the chosen duty RoW and have vets as troops... not sure if that any better than tacticals, but its an alternative. As for Legions that are sworn brothers, the ones I know for sure are IH, IW, SoH/LW, and Salamanders

>>50390109
Speaking of spiders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_fighting

>>50390184
You can take a RoW with a secondary detachment? If so, def. doing that and using sniper vets or possibly plasma support squads. White Scars def. works well with Mechanicum colours at least.

>>50390213
Yeah, you can take a RoW, and you can take a delegatus below the 1000pt limit for a rite, so all's well that ends well

>>50390230
Ok, the , I can use the Chogorian Brotherhood rite and get some 3+ jink bike squads for my forward objectives. That works even better.

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>>50379409
I'm thankful for my razor wire arriving today, time to spice up my Iron Warriors bases a bit. IRON WITHIN!

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>>50386983
>>50379468
Are the Sisters of Silence 30k rules in this White Dwarf tho?

So because of BoP I now have 5 Tartaros and 5 Cataphracti. I figure Cats are better to equip for close combat and Tartaros with more range?

On the other hand I thought I might make that Cats an objective holding unit and just give them a Heavy Flamer and some combi-flamers. I dunno, how do you guys like to equip your Terminators?

>>50390324
>I figure Cats are better to equip for close combat and Tartaros with more range?
Tartaros are better for close combat because they can sweep but only have a 5+ inv, Cats are better at range because of a 4+ inv and can't sweep. Cats are more survivable in both combat and range, depending on what you face thought, but are slow.

>>50390306
Brother, when it comes to razor wire you want IRON WITHOUT!

>>50390324
Cats are better in close combat when dealing with heavy infantry, tars for anything else or when the tars outnumber so they win combat and can sweep

>>50390314
Nope.

>>50387853
I call dead, excommunicatus traitoris, and fenris exploded an improvement.

>>50388817
>>50388813
>>50388907

Their model is in tartaros terminator armor. Their rules are unspecified, thus they are in tartaros. If they want catapbractii they need to be modeled as such. Thats all RAW.

How do you run your Tech-Thralls? I go for Carapace+Fearless, but that's it. Do you keep them cheap or add all the upgrades?

Also, new Knight looks badass but did they ever resolve what size it was? I saw pics of mid-size for a Knight and one that was nearly Warhound-sized.

>>50390643
>Carapace+Fearless
Thats all you need. Make them spend more points to remove them than what theyre worth.

>resolve what size it was
yeah months ago. Its fuck huge now.

>>50390663
Yeah, I assume they work damn well as tarpits at 5ppm.

Sucks about the Knight, though. It would have been a fuckawesome centrepiece but now they make it huge and a billionty pounds, so NOPE.

I would probably want a Cerastus if they didn't look all gangly and shit, or a Questoris if the rules weren't garbage, but looks like my allies are stuck with a Warden and Paladin for now.

>>50390719
>or a Questoris if the rules weren't garbage
WHat dimension do you live in?

>>50390736
What, the tougher Krios on legs and the Volkite gun that is essentially beaten in every way by the Lancer? Compared to their counterparts, yes.
If they cost lots less points, like Budget Knights, and lost the D and some other stuff, like a 5++ ion shield and some armour, I could see them working, but ATM they are undergunned and overpriced.

>>50390613
>If they want catapbractii they need to be modeled as such
Hence why people want to combine https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cataphractii-Terminator-Shoulder-Pads-Death-Guard and https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Death-Guard-Deathshroud-Power-Scythes, creating a squad different to other termies, yet still clad in cataphractii armour.

I don't quite agree with that, but it's HH1's RAW (which was never updated), and Deathshroud have been unique since the beginning, being a standalone HQ all-character unit, where the Command squad they replace can't be brought by themselves and don't even have a sgt.

It's understandable; Typhon does slow the whole unit with his Cataphractii armour.

>>50390785
Suboptimal does not mean garbage though, they're still better than a primarch at sub-3k

>>50390820
True, and they do look badass, but as is the slightly cooler look isn't worth an extra £40 to me. I'd rather have another Castellax or some Thallax, or half a Triaros.

>>50390415
Well shit, that sucks.

>>50389902
Use more of your legion specific bits on them, Give them bionics, Give them a different paint scheme.

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What are you guys working on?
Here's my Praetor WIP. I plan on giving him a bit of a DG dreadnought feel with the chest plate.

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>>50391335
Currently working on a proxy for Rogal Dorn until the real deal comes out

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30k 1ksons unit?

>>50391489
>Terminator unit with AP3 TL Bolters, Assault cannons and Cyclone missile launchers, as well as a librarian sgt
Why not Rite of War: Tyrant assault.
Tyrant terminators become troop choices. Available to all legions, the Mechanicum and eldar.

>>50391569

>Tyrant terminators become troop choices. Available to all legions, the Mechanicum and eldar.

All legions except Iron Warriors. :^)

>>50391489
First plastic unique

>>50391569
Probably wont have warp/inferno stuff in 30k

>>50391489
>>50391718
They will be elite terminators, like Phoenix, Tyrant, Lernaean or Justaerin.
And most likely no sorcery for them.

>>50391773
I bet all the TS special units have brotherhood of psykers.

>>50391773
u wot?

Scarab Occult have two traits that have been defined in their Heresy fluff. They have an automaton-like trance in battle, and each is a psyker within one of the highest ranks of the legion.

>>50391393
That's looking pretty decent. Where's the head from?

>>50391393
Not enough eagles.

>>50392153
it's the Mohawk one from the custodes kit. with some additional hair courtesy of greenstuff...

>>50391489
In name only, I suspect. Actual armaments and models might be different once FW gets on it.

I hope the missile launcher doesn't look as stupid as it does on the model. They could have just removed the head piece from the terminator and incorporated it into the launcher itself, rather than working the launcher around the head piece.

>>50392756
I honestly thought it was a multi-use grenade harness when I first saw it. Really doesn't look substantial enough to be a missile launcher (from the angles it's been shown so far).

>>50393139
It's that time again boys. No space!Skaven allowed

>>50390302
Delegatus has to be the warlord though

>>50390390
Oh shit, you're right!