Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>50200449
Well, I've got two I'm poking at. One is stolen shamelessly from WoW and the other is just a boy who can't go home again.

Doll a cute. CUTE!

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>>50200449
From Command and Conquer.

>>50200449
>Where did you steal your character concept from?

One is from Game of Thrones, the other is from the Witcher and one I'm hoping to play is partially based on John Wick.

>>50200449
>Where did you steal your character concept from?
From Spoony, weirdly enough. His recent ramble on AD&D psionics got me thinking about how I could turn that into a more modern character concept.

>>50200546
No. Maria a cute.
Doll is BEST.

>>50200449
Legends of Galactic Heroes

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>>50200571
>No. Maria a cute.

Maria is filth! FILTH!

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>>50200589
No bully!

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>>50200610

Does this look like the face of a girl that deserves mercy?

>>50200449

from lupin III

>>50200589
The hunt soiled a prime waifu into that.
More reason to hunt down themcords and cut a Cthulhu.

>>50200449
>Where did you steal your character concept from?

Uhhh everywhere. Deviant Art, google images, /tg/booru, video game concept art (all those resource management fantasy games you play on your phone are amazing for art), character art threads on /tg/ from here and a few other chans. A couple of people have websites for it too and here is my google drive full of it

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B52pEESRLwfBVU12SWp0MTJSWTA?usp=sharing

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Since we're on the topic of bloodborne, what's the best way to design a Hunter in Pathfinder? Assuming 3pp is available.

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>>50200650

Brutal Slayer or the Desperado Warlord.

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>>50200632
>(all those resource management fantasy games you play on your phone are amazing for art
Honestly, Obscure RPGs are amazing for character art.

>>50200650
As a trickweapon collector, who hunts down rogue hunters and uses their weapons as many times as he can

>>50200681

There is a pf 3PP book called blood magic or some such that has tons of great art for niche casters and what not. It is where I picked up my bloodmage art.

>>50200589
As someone who never had the Old Hunters DLC, what was the deal with Maria?
It just seemed like a bad meme when everybody started hating on her.

>>50200650
Probably an Inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer), or Slayer

Guys I can't decide if I want my next initiator to go full anime or stick to more normal ttrpg style
Help

>>50200726
Maria is one of the more difficult Hunter styled bosses, and has phases like many of the more monstrous bosses. It makes her a pain to fight.

Lore-wise, she's the person the Doll is based off of. Gehrman's creation was in her image, because he evidently loved her. But by the time you come into the hunt, he no longer cares about her, which is why the Doll no longer moves, at least until you get some Insight.

>>50200726

For every waifu action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

>>50200715
Oh god he won't leave.

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>>50200726
>what was the deal with Maria?

You mean why people love to make fun of her? Because she's an incredibly edgy character in a game dripping with edge.

She's the half-vampire* master huntress that Gehrmann loved and uses *blood and fire* for her attacks.

>>50200795

??

>>50200772
So anons were just bitches that couldn't deal with a tougher boss than Micolash?
I want to believe there's somethig else to it, but...meh.

Also, I knew she and the doll had some metaphysical connection, and that something was up with her and Gherman. He has this fair and almost motherly construct that has nearly all the mannerisms of a human, but he so casually disregards her.

>>50200802
>and uses *blood and fire* for her attacks.

>Silver-gray hair
>Golden eyes

Was Maria a Targaryen?

>>50200850
Targaryens have violet eyes, not golden ones.

>>50200822
>Namefagging
>Normalfagging
??

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What would be cuter, zenko kitsune or hound archon blooded aasimar for PsyArm/PsyWar gestalt? He'll be a trap either way.

What would gestalt well with a medic? Actually, how do you build a medic?

>>50200873
You killing yourself.

>>50200862

lmao left it on

>>50200880
>What would gestalt well with a medic

Depends on the type of medic you want to go for.

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>>50200449
I usually try to stitch characters together from many sources, but I've been especially lazy lately and haven't been amassing enough references. Seriously need to look into finding some tamer styles of clothing.

Unrelated, but I slightly regret respeccing one of my characters into straight Oracle when the GM decided to not do Gestalt.

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>>50200929
>but I've been especially lazy lately and haven't been amassing enough references

How tame do you want it?

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>>50200449
I just realized that the "make contact" gesture basically turns you into a wave receptor (like a radio antenna).

You have an X-axis and a Y-axis component (up-arm and out-arm) at maximum extension, to pick up the most signal you can no matter the orientation of the incoming waves.

>>50200650
Inquisitors work fairly well. I'd personally go with the archetype packages (super genius games) style multi-classing and drop the spellcasting in favor of grabbing sneak attacks, or paladin smite stuff.

Or you could start alchemist, drop the bomb and mutagen alchemist archetype packages - grab the inquisitors 'executioner' package, and the fighters 'battle master' package.

>Finally get to play in a game
>Can't decide what character to make
Truly this hell is neverending

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>>50200979

Tell us about the game and creation rules, we could help!

>>50200911
What kinds of medic could I be? I'm not very familiar with the class.

>>50200650
Didn't an anon homebrew this as a base class in these very threads?

>>50200946
>How tame do you want it?
How about "teenager from small town tries to look like he thinks a hero should" and "lightly armored or unarmored male sword user, preferably with a thrusting sword"?

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>>50201015

Say no more, senpai.

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Why is there a magic corset that gives an Escape Artist bonus? Isn't the whole point of corsets that you can't bend over in them?

>>50201011
I recall that, but I never read it and if it's anything like most of the homebrew /pfg/ responds to, it probably wasn't very good.

Inquisitors + Alchemists are a great starting point for hunters. Extracts replicate vials / blood tinge / hunter fluffy abilities fairly well, and inquisitor judgements / solo teamwork feats represent hunting abilities fairly well.

then you just need to find some way to do trick weapons.

>>50201049

Paizo are not clever.

>>50200946
JUST

>>50201049
It's magic.

>>50201082

>chimp out intensifies

>>50200991
Okay here are the rules:
No classes with any amount of Vancian casting.
That's it.
Right now I'm thinking about a Tinker, a Brutal Slayer Bushi Stalker, a Contender Brawler, a Sworn Protector Warder, a Moonlit Meditant Soulknife or an Incanter.

The game's setting and plot will be made after the party is assembled.

Do you see what the problem is here?

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>>50200873
Stop messing with me and stealing my characters!

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So! Who all's looking forward to the weekend? Any big plans, in-or out-of-game?

>>50200449
Anyone got Blood of the Beast?

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>>50201049

Did you know that Pathfinder's magic items include corsets in the armor, body, and chest slots?

Example of armor slot corset: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-armor/specific-magic-armor/abrogalian-corset

Example of body slot corset: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/c-d/corset-of-dire-witchcraft

Example of chest slot corset: http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Corset%20of%20Delicate%20Moves

You can wear three magic corsets simultaneously.

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>>50201107
Make an adorable halfling Hidden Blade Filcher Unchained Rogue who steals everything.

Any weight to this?

"But back then Lisa Stevens hired MMO developer Ryan Dancey to develop the Pathfinder MMO, in spite of Dancey's horrible track record with games. This was a purely personal move because they're old friends. It's one of many bad decisions that basically led to the state Paizo is now in and why I left.

Pathfinder Online was developed by the independently owned (but Paizo-backed) company Goblinworks, and Paizo invested a VERY substantial sum of money in the company. Way too much.

So as a result of this investment, there were no bonuses allotted to salaried employees that year. I wouldn't be surprise if they're still denying everyone their bonuses.

Goblinworks failed to deliver the promised product and, in spite of months of us trying to warn upper management that Pathfinder Online was fucked, the plug wasn't pulled on Goblinworks until the 11th fucking hour, way past the point of being able to salvage the company. By this point Paizo pumped so much money into Goblinworks that they were entering financial dire straits. The Goblinworks folks tried but Paizo just gave the fuck up, which I can't blame them for. It's way too little too late.

Paizo became so short on finances that they were unable to maintain the development of the VTT software or essential upgrades to their proprietary forum/store back-end.

I heard that since my departure Paizo's started to intentionally delay payment of contractors (artists and freelance writers) in order to juggle financial burdens from month to month in a pretty blatant breach of contract.

>>50201200
I don't know about Paizo internally, but Goblinworks definitely shit the bed repeatedly with literally everything to do about Pathfinder Online.

>>50201176
>multiple layered corsets

...I want more.

>>50201139

No game this weekend, going to spend tomorrow the same way I'm going to spend tonight; get plastered with friends from school and shitpost on /pfg/ when I get home.

Wish me luck!

>>50201139

Playing in my low-magic setting this sunday. Got a silent auction to go to, apparently there's a magic carpet for sale. I want to steal a whole bunch of stuff (5th level factotum) but the GM says that stealing is worse than child rape in this setting, so i gotta be careful, lol.

Shitty thing is that i realized today that i can't take EWP: Hand Crossbow at first level since my bab is too low. Now i'm considering taking a level of rogue at 1st, but if i do that i can't take Font of Inspiration twice for my flaw feats. I don't want a fully optimized character, because reasons, but i don't want to only plunk away with 4 damage crossbow bolts either. I really don't want to wait another level for Knowledge Devotion, and since i'm being tracked by wizards, i really want to take Darkstalker as soon as i can.

So yeah, should be fun.

>>50201192
My favorite thing about bilbette, is her pipe-smoking hobby.

>>50201192
Kender please go

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>>50201219

But anon, how will you breath!

>>50201216
But the game was really promising.

>>50201244
HAHAHAHAHA

>>50201244
They were doomed from the moment they made an open-PVP game and then started telling players they'd get banned if they were "mean" to each other. There's no cure for that kind of design schizophrenia.

>>50201139
Hopefully my laptop holds out. If it doesn't, that ruins the game for everyone.

>>50201233
Practice.

>>50201264
It was graphically ancient too you'd expect that from Everquest 2 at most, and for a game that wasn't out yet, that's bad.

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>>50201267

But why would a proper noble lady want anything to do with adventurers?

Why did they even consider Goblinworks and Dancey?
That's basically haemorrhaging money and inducing ill will.

>>50201290
They're big, they're burly, and after the mage has a talk with him her husband was always totally for her having kids with them instead.

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>>50201315

>>50200802
>uses *blood and fire* for her attacks
That just sounds like regular hunters though

I'm pretty new to Pathfinder nad made a wizard. How do I be useful? I understand I'm meant to control the battlefield as opposed to doing raw damage. I have a third level wizard right now.

>>50200681
Etrian Odysssey is not "obscure rpg"
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50201380
Glitterdust. Just make everything blind.

Eventually you will be using dimension door and teleport a lot.

>>50201401
I've heard that grease is extremely useful as well.

Also something about prestidigitation being mandatory for all wizards.

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>>50201380
Glitterdust, Color Spray, Prestidigitation is just plain quality-of-life (like, AS A PERSON a mage would be insane not to learn that one), grease is good, mage hand is highly handy (unless you like touching potentially dangerous crap from up close with your actual body)

>>50201380
If you're playing to have fun. Pick any spell you want.

If you're playing to help your fellows. Pick all the utility spells that helps with non-combat obstacles like shape stone, fly, air bubble, etc.

If you're playing like your typical /tg/ playaer, you grab exploiter wizard archetype, all the crafting feats, and invest in all the crowd control spells that trivializes the game, everyone gets bored and quits and you have to wallow in /pfg/ begging for a new group to join.

>>50201433

>That pic

Anon please.

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>>50201445
>everyone gets bored and quits and you have to wallow in /pfg/ begging for a new group to join.

who hurt you anon?

>>50201450
gee, I'm sorry I didn't post some trans bilbo or fox furries. I am so sorry, how can I ever make up for the error of my ways.

>>50201433
Those all sound like a good idea to take, thanks anon!

>>50201445
>Exploiter Wizard
Anon I'm insulted that that's all you can come up with

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>>50200449
I want to cuddle a Doll

What divination spells should I prepare as a level 4 foresight wizard? How can I learn about what I will fight before fighting it with my spells?

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>>50201468

I was actually going to say it was way hotter than I was expecting from /pfg/. I'm just as tired of fox sluts and woman (males) as you are.

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>>50201390
Oh come on, don't be like that.

>>50201491
fair warning: illusion, enchantment, abjuration and divination are shit schools.

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>>50201445
While we're talking about wizardry, is there a way to play an Evoker wizard that's on par with a well set up blaster sorcerer, or am I forever restricted to just playing the bloodline mages than someone who actually earned their magic?

>>50201508
>divination
But that school power

>>50201508
This post is objectively wrong

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>>50201508
>Illusion
>Shit school
What are shadow illusions?

>>50201532
Answer: A shit spell effect from a shit school.

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>Be with friends on Teamspeak, playing Overwatch
>Casually mention about Pathfinder
>They all want to try
>Sure i guess
>Tomorrow
>I don't have anything ready
>I can't use Roll20 for shit

Can i learn how to use Roll20 and write a decent prologue to a campaign in less than 24 hours?

Im mostly worried about roll20.

>>50201516
Can't you just dip into Sorc to get the arcana then go wizard the rest of the way.

Or you could be a Psion with Elemental Focus and Favored Energy:Fire.

But with Blood Havoc being a thing, it's gonna be hard topping a Sorc for damage spells.

>>50201546
Yes:

You all start in a tavern.

Orcs invade

Later, goblins invade in an airship

Then even slightly later, knoll wizards invade on a large stegosaurus.

are the players badass enough to save the town?

>>50201546
Yes

I did exactly that myself

Stop wasting time and go

Also teamspeak is for losers

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>>50201523
>>50201526
>>50201532
Conjuration, Evocation and Transmutation are all a party ever needs.

Nobody wants a master of parlor-tricks. They want a god who can throttle the heavens and reduce his foes to dust.

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>>50201570
>. They want a god who can throttle the heavens and reduce his foes to dust.
Well said.

>>50201570
>No Necromancy
>No Divination
Anon please

>>50201599
The hell are these white stripe pictures supposed to be anyway
I never got them

>>50201622
Necromancy is fine. Even better if you're an evil cleric though.

Divination has its purpose, but seeing the future is not as good as changing reality into your personal playground like what conjuration and transmutation can do.

>>50201632
aids perspective, i think.

>>50201634
Divination's best spells aren't about seeing the future and you know it famalam

>>50201642
Definitely AIDS something.

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>>50201489
>>50200546
People really need to get that dolljoint fetish out of their systems like /a/ did with rozen maiden.

>>50201669

What is the AIDS of Pathfinder?

>>50201662
As the poster of the original question, what spells would those be for a 4th level wizard?

>>50201676
Kineticist

>>50201676
swashbuckler

>>50201690
Don't start with me.

>>50201676
Kitsune.

>>50201676
Pathfinder.
Paizo.

>>50201676

The Players.

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>>50201671
No.
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a8pbwY1_460sv.mp4

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>>50201632
The intent is to add perceived depth to the gif by having images move behind, then in front of, the white lines.

The problem is that the Wargreymon gif there is too fast, too low res, and not particularly well done.

>>50201676
The dev team and writers

>>50201676
/pfg/

>>50201671

If they stop waifuing the doll, they're just going to start waifuing something else. And where Bloodborne is concerned, "something else" can be pretty spooky.

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>>50200449
Made Calne Ca. She was an Oracle. 3p clockwork mystery and the 3p forgotten or forsaken curse. She was fucking awesome.

>>50201677
Blood Transcription, Create Treasure Map, Detect Thoughts, Greater Detect Magic, Locate Object, See Invisibility

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>>50201599
>>50201750
Wrong. This is what the white lines are for:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fake-photosets

>>50201789
That game was a trip I tell you.

>oh look england and monsters/lycans
>???
>???
>???
>elderich horror from beyond the cosmos

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>>50201749
>vid

HOT!

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> Playing a Level 3 Gestalt Warpriest/Cleric
> One of the party members figured out a way to make an Alchemist/Gunslinger that's able to infuse the damage of his bombs into his bullets for damage equivalent to 1 bullet, an alchemist fire+ double Int, an acid bomb+ double Int, plus double Int again by making the whole concoction a bomb
> My Warpriest took the Air blessing, allowing any ranged weapon to get no penalties for range for a minute/10 rounds
> Since he's also a buffing Cleric he can also give him higher chances to hit with boosts to attack or damage with his spells
> MFW with the two of us combining our powers we can snipe people for an easy 30-50 damage a round from up to 800 feet away with an almost guaranteed him due to his high attack bonus
> At level 3

Did we powergame too hard /pfg/?

>>50201832
How would I use those to help prepare for the coming encounters? I'm pretty new at this.

>>50201858
>warpriest cleric
why?

Its like playing a bloodrager barbarian or a bard skald.

>>50201858
This is baby shit for Gestalt
You have nothing to worry about

>>50201864
Don't worry about it and just have fun.

remember: wizards are for being bullied and for providing magical and logistical and sexual support.

>>50201882
>Just beee yourself answers

>>50201868
I like playing support, plus this way I get waaaay more Cleric spells per day. Heck, recently one of my evil Cleric characters singlehandedly took out two of the bosses from Vengeance with the spell you get with the Undead domain. I've never had one of my characters feel so powerful as the day he got to kill an Archon and a male Dryad with a single spell and a single attack.

>>50201864
You can't do the "let me check whats coming up next" shit at level 4, anon. Wait until next level for spells like Clairvoyance, Insect Scouts and Harrowing.

>>50201882
I don't want to be bullied or anything. I wanted to have more control over the narrative than playing a martial, since the last time I was fairly useless.

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>>50201882

>Wizards
>All of that

The only part I disagree with is bullying. Wizards are for compliments and headpats because, at the end of the day, you're the one carrying their mana-drained booties back to camp. Heck, ask them about what the funny symbols in their spellbooks mean, that's always a good way to get "in!"

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So people talk up Legendary Vigilantes a whole lot, but did anyone actually care about Legendary Rogues? Was it even worth looking into? Does it play nice with Unchained and Hidden Blade? Would I be a dick for wanting to use it with those things?

>>50201935
Legendary Rogues was neat but felt underwhelming overall.

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>>50201928
>at the end of the day, you're the one carrying their mana-drained booties back to camp.

>>50201925
at level 4 you will be weak. Grease and glitterdust will be all you need in combat.

Out of combat look at all the cool utility spells that non-magical means can't duplicate, and prepare a few of them.

As you level your utility goes from "repairing army instantly" to "building a bridge for an army instantly", while your in-combat ability basically stays in the "blind enemy/stick enemy in a create pit/make the enemies day worse".

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>>50201380
As >>50201433 noted; Presto and Glitterdust will be your friends until the end game. Not even with just cleaning, recoloring, reflavoring food, or drying off, Prestidigitation could be used to emulate weaker versions of other cantrips if you're a cheeky shit; it's sometimes called 'The Littlest Wish' for a reason. And Glitterdust is very rarely not effective, what with it ignoring Spell Resistance (enabling it to affect things like Constructs) and the Blind status condition being a real pain to deal with.

Intentionally or otherwise, your GM may learn to loath Glitterdust.
Mine does, but for a different reason.

Other options for control/support would be Create Pit, Ray of Sickening/Ray of Enfeeblement, Burning Disarm, Mirror Images, Pilfering Hand is a spell I've had some good use out of, and for giggles there's always Unnatural Lust. For some out of combat stuff, there's always Unseen Servant, Knock, Floating Disk, Web Shelter, and Raven's Flight. If you guys make it to 5th level your martially inclined allies will love you for Haste.

>>50201956
glitterdust loses effectiveness a LOT with an experienced DM.

blindsense, tremorsense, scent and blindfight trivializes it.

>>50201973
It's the same with all really decent spells. Just because it's good doesn't mean it can't be dealt with.

Still, those forms of sensory information are a bit more limited than sight, meaning they can still giove your team a tactical advantage even if doesn't just become a roflstomp.

What is the best way to defeat a Vampire?

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>>50201951

>tfw your character will never get groped

>>50201989

Stab it with an enchanted silver/mithral blade until it dies.

>Party of 3 glass cannon initiators
>Want to play both a small cute support caster and a big burly defender
>Party benefits greatly from either
>Both fit the game and the party

Doushio?

>>50201989
Sunlight

>>50201989
Redemption and friendship

>>50202003

Why not play a small, cute defender, or a big, burly support caster?

>>50201989
making Twilight jokes.

>>50202003

Anon, listen to this wise man >>50202021 here and make a big buff support caster, either an Ulfen Skald or an Oracle of Kurgess.

Be the glistening muscular wingman you were born to be!

>>50201973
Glitterdust also loses effectiveness when your GM actually remembers they can save against it each round.

>>50202021
>>50202032
Well I've already got the two characters semi-built is the issue

>>50201989
I once killed a vampire by exploiting its one, very rare weakness as a druid.

Because a weakness to flowing water is hilarious if you can control nature.

>playing Wizard for the first time
>we go mythic
>dominate everything
>develop a god complex

Holy shit I feel sorry for my GM now. How do we fix this class?

>>50202055
Its incredibly easy to fix wizards if the DM adopts the same tenets as the players when it comes to rocket tagging.

Make it count with one hit.

>>50202003
Z E A L O T
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>>50202048
>Well I've already got the two characters semi-built is the issue

You do realize the "cute, small" or "big and burly" things are like, 90% fluff?

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What awooo race makes the best wizard?

>>50202092
Yes and again I've almost finished these two characters I can't pick between
I don't want to change them I simply cannot choose which to go for and I'd rather not get a third involved
What is it we're miscommunicating on here?

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>>50202109

None of them, however Agathion-blooded Aasimar (literally Momijis) make excellent sorcerers.

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>>50202150

Just go for the cute, little support, your initiator boys will love that.

>>50201941
I like the look of it, but don't know if it's asking too much from a GM, when I'm already allowed to tear apart the base rogue that it's attempting to fix with URogue, Hidden Blade, and Phantom Thief.

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>>50202109
>>50202162
REMOVE AWOO

>>50201989

Sunburst?

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>>50202196
>Kinu
*Selkie

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>>50201994
>tfw your character is the one doing the groping

>>50202225

Perky >>> Floppy

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>>50201989
THE POWER OF THE SUN

>>50200449
Hey guys.

I'm normally a /pfg/ dude, but am starting to read through 5e, for an upcoming game.

What would 5e need for you to like it?

I can see some things it's obviously missing, and for me the things wrong with it are:

>Lack of Character Customization Opportunities
>Lack of Character Customization Options.
>Low Number of Premade Adversaries.
>Binary Skill Proficiency.

Anything I'm missing?

>>50202290
>Anything I'm missing?

I want some settings that interest me, because Faerun is heckin' boring.

>>50202290
>point based Psionics that aren't ass
>some form of Martial initiation or something so martials have more actions than "I attack".

>>50202290
I can no longer live without 4000 classes and feats and shit to theorycraft builds with
So i guess what 5e needs is 8 years of 3pp

>>50202290
I don't like the proficiency system. It makes the whole game, particularly skills SUPER swingy.

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>>50201989

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>>50202290
Kitsune with many subraces, of course!

>>50202331

I'm going to be honest with you, anon.

Kitsune are kinda getting boring now that they're posted all the time around here - like, I don't *hate* Kitsune, they're just so less interesting than half-elves or Tiefling or even Aasimar now.

>>50202303
I like Faerun, but I could really go for some Planescape.

>>50202322
Is it the scale of bonuses relative to dice size?
What makes it so much more swingy than PF, which also has a flat dice distribution?

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>>50202341
You can be a tiefling or aasimar kitsune!

>>50202341
Clearly this means that we need to migrate to Suli.

>>50202352
>but I could really go for some Planescape

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/planescape/

>>50202356

That's not the point, anon.

I'm tired of the perky ears and fluffy tails and all the smug that comes with the foxy ladies.

Give me an awkward Tiefling girl or a haughty Elf or whatever, just no more Kitsune please.

>>50202352
>I like Faerun, but I could really go for some Planescape.

I just want Eberron ;_;

>>50202352
The growth rate of the bonuses in PF is much higher, leading to higher averages for the focused rolls and lower in the unfocused ones. Both systems have the issue of the standard deviation of the rolls not improving with focus, only the average. 5e's problem is the effect of focusing into a particular roll is very little due to the overall small bonuses.

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>>50202290
Port everything good from pathfinder and 3x into 5e.

Yes, that includes waifu races.
Yes, that includes the archetype systems
Yes, the includes the Alchemist
Maybe, combine the good traits of the Investigator and the Factotum

And for god's sake, I actually LIKE class-unique powers.
I want Rage Powers, I want Rogue Talents, I want Magus Arcanas, I want options!

I don't want 5e's cliche, casul, dumbed-down adventurer generator. I want weird, lewd, weeb and absolutely crazy that only tabletop games can provide.

>>50202352
>What makes it so much more swingy than PF, which also has a flat dice distribution?
In PF you can easily stack lots of modifiers and bonuses so an actual dice roll becomes more and more irrelevant, especially when you can just take 10. In 5E the number of bonuses is very limited but you are still stuck with d20. The DCs, saving throws etc. aren't as inflated but it's still pretty swingy.

>>50202377
Yes, I'm familiar with it, I meant official 5e planescape support. like a Planescape AP or 5.

>>50202402
This guy knows what's up.

>>50202401
>Both systems have the issue of the standard deviation of the rolls not improving with focus, only the average. 5e's problem is the effect of focusing into a particular roll is very little due to the overall small bonuses.
5e's bonuses scale from like, +5, to like +15 or so, for stuff you're good at.

They do only shift things to the right though, rather than eliminating outliers.

Do you think outliers should be eliminated? Something like a dice pool system, where the more dice you add, the less swingy the results get? Is that desirable? Why?

Is it more desirable than the GURPS 3d6+numbers approach?

>>50202405
>PF is just as swingy, at the low end, but bonuses scale so much you eventually can't fail.
Is that a good thing? Why?

>>50202402
>And for god's sake, I actually LIKE class-unique powers.
>I want Rage Powers, I want Rogue Talents, I want Magus Arcanas, I want options!

This. 5e is boring as a martial because you're STILL doing weapon attacks while the casters can cast any number of spells and do other cool stuff.

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>The Wrath of the Righteous was supposed to start yesterday

I HURT MYSELF TODAY
TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL

>>50202402
>Options and Content and Opportunities to Use Them!
Fair enough.

>>50202481
PF is boring as a martial as well unless you took PoW.

>>50202468
A lower standard deviation (read less swingy) system comes off as the player reducing the randomness of a roll and increasing the consistency of their action. If I were a crafter-type at high level representing years of training, I don't want a level 1 shmuck to even have a chance of putting out a better product than me due to my low roll and his super high roll. Ideally a system increases the average roll as well as decrease the standard deviation of the roll as the players progress and focus into different areas. Dice pools with modifiers can work for this but a system closer to shadowruns simulates this progression better.

>>50202402
>port everything good from 3x
>3x's rotten bloated corpse
>good

Let it go. Most of the good from 3e was ported to PF already.

The factotum is stronger than the Inquisitor because it ignored your standard class creation rules. You have a class with full BAB wizard + cleric spells and 10+int skills with EVERYTHING as a class skill using your INT modifier, all inside one class.

Drop the nostalgia goggles - the factotum was unbalanced shit.

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Adam Meyers' Player's Guide to Skybourne has a two-page section specifically pertaining to new uses of skills.

>Profession (courtesan)
>A creature trained in Profession (courtesan) can provide entertainment for a ship, similar to a creature trained in a Perform skill, as detailed in Chapter 4: Flying the Skies. A courtesan or performer can receive aid from only one creature at a time, but can receive aid from an entire crew when determining how many people they can entertain.

A courtesan, with the crew's help, can entertain the whole crew. This seems fit for a hentai doujin. It gets weirder.

>Entertainer Training: The crew is trained in either a Perform skill or Profession (courtesan), and may increase the number of people an officer may provide loyalty bonuses for to up to 10 small crews per small crew with this perk. In addition, they may perform any of the following crew actions as a standard action. When a Perform or Profession (courtesan) check is required, they may use their Skill bonus, or the bonus of the officer who leads them, whichever is higher. A crew must possess instruments or entertainer’s outfits to use these crew actions.

The whole crew can be trained in Profession (courtesan) and given "entertainer's outfits" in order to boost the crew's morale.

The three actions listed here are "intimidate," "inspire," and "distract." The latter two are self-explanatory, but the first...

>Intimidate: As a standard action, the crew insults and threatens their enemies, using their performance to create a sense of doom in their enemies. This is the same thing as an Intimidate check made to demoralize all targets within 30 ft., but the crew makes a Perform or Profession (courtesan) check instead of an Intimidate check.

You can have an entire crew trained in Profession (courtesan) and dressed up in "entertainer's outfits," and they can "create a sense of doom in their enemies" using Profession (courtesan).

Only in Skybourne.

>>50202563
to be fair, the factotum doesn't really get full spell progression of the wiz + cleric unless they're human with a specific feat and prestige class from other unrelated 3pp contents.

This is like complaining that the monk is OP because someone took a 3pp archetype that turned it into One Punch Man

>>50200726
She's super easy to cheese in the first two stages of her fight.

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>>50202583

Okay, using Courtesan to Intimidate the enemy is kind of silly, but I don't see anything wrong with Profession (Courtesan) itself. Sailors were notoriously randy little shits, and a dedicated courtesan would go a long way to drain them of any built-up stress.

Hmm.

I think I can see the appeal of shadowrun's dice over something like GURPS now that you're bringing it up.

Would that even be that hard in D&D (Any edition)?
>d20>>SUM(3d6)
>Advantage/Disadvantage: Add +2d6 to the roll, and discard the two lowest / two highest before SUM.
>Every+~3.5 (3?): Add another d6 to the SUM.
>If there's a +1/+2 leftover, add it in.

I feel like that preserves the average, reduces swinginess, and gives you your scaling bonuses and decreased swinginess with skill.

No?

>>50202645
Meant to tag >>50202547

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>>50202583
Log Horizon ruined me when tabletop talks about the 'courtesan' because I keep picturing this.

Is 23 AC too low at level 7?
What's the average tohit bonus for monsters at this level?

>>50202678
Depends on your class, for some builds 23 is a godsend, for others it's pitiful.

>>50202678
thats about average.

for reference, heavy tend to have AC of 28, medium tend to have have around 24 and light tend to have around 20.

>>50202645
The issue I've encountered with that is it takes forever for rolls to be counted up due to the escalating number of die. For online games, this would be less of an issue but it's unwieldly with IRL.

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>>50202612

This is fantasy, where mixed male/female crews are not uncommon.

Even stranger is this.

>Cabin Boy/Girl
>Important Skills: Profession (servant)
>A cabin boy/girl is usually a youth learning the ropes of ship command, but may just as likely be a professional valet, or indeed anyone trained to accomplish the hundreds of mundane tasks that helps a ship run smoothly, from polishing the captain’s boots, to keeping the carpenter’s tools in great repair, to delivering messages as needed throughout the ship.

>As an overland standard action, the cabin boy/girl may use their Profession (servant) skill to aid all creatures aboard their ship. Many large ships will even have dedicated crews of of assistants, who the cabin boy/girl can lead in a crisis.

What does Profession (servant) do in Skybourne?

>Profession (servant)
>Whenever an ally attempts a skill check where others could use the aid another action to help them, a character trained in Profession (servant) may make a Profession (servant) check in place of whatever skill would normally be necessary. This grants a circumstance bonus to the character attempting the skill check equal to the Profession (servant) check divided by 10 (+1 for a roll of 10 or higher, +2 for a roll of 20 or higher, +3 for a roll of 30 or higher, etc.). Only one creature may attempt a Profession (servant) check to aid another in this fashion, but up to an entire crew can use aid another to help a creature with this Profession (servant) check.

>As an overland move action, a character may make a Profession (servant) check to aid all creatures on the ship for that day.

The ship's cabin boy/girl can use a move and a standard action to aid the entire crew, which includes the ship entertainer's Profession (courtesan) check and the rest of the crew's check to aid that Profession (Courtesan) check.

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>>50200449
What is your character's upbringing? Did they have siblings? What's their relationship?

>>50202612
>I don't see anything wrong with Profession (Courtesan) itself.
Not the Profession itself but that you can train your whole crew as courtesans, outfit them in dominatrix leathers and intimidate people. Just imagine that.

>>50202737
Sounds like a One Piece crew.

>>50202737

>You will never have the crew dress up in dominatrix leathers and do a haka

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>>50202724

>Courtesan using the cabin boy to enhance her services

>>50202196
Is this real? I want to see the result. does she succeed and have a harem of dominated animals at her feet?

>Want to be a STRong dude
>A DEX build would be clearly better in almost all ways and only cost a feat
>Keep questioning whether the buff dude flavour is worth being so much weaker
Fucking hell why is STR so bad?

>>50202718
Because of the bigger numbers in comparison to counting successes?

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>>50202724
>>50202771

Basically, the ship's young cabin boy/girl is hard at work all day. They innocently (despite being in an "entertainer's outfit" like the rest of the crew) help people with refreshments and clean-up in the background, while the crew works their Profession (courtesan) skill in the foreground.

>>50202791

>being so much weaker

Dude... What kind of campaign are you joining where success is that razor-thin? There is absolutely nothing wrong with Strength because Strength builds will keep you competent in 99% of campaigns.

>>50202794
The sheer number of dice counting slows things down. If you you have to roll 7d6 drop 2 high/low + static and you do that for three attacks, that gets out of hand. Or if the GM has to make multiple saves due to area effects.

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>>50202771
>no pirate queen to dominate my shota cabin boy every night

>>50200537
Who's the WoW one?

>>50202814
Not to mention being stronk is helpful for non-combat situations anyway. Who knows when you'll need to Climb and Acrobatics won't help you?

>>50202791
I find it horrendous that literally all uses of strength, aside from +50% 2h damage, can be either performed by another stat (wisdom in the flesh etc.) or emulated by relatively cheap magic items (heavyload belt+muleback cords)

>>50202824
Ah, yeah, I can see that.

So maybe 3d6+numbers is easier and better, and then just do the 2 dice swap for adv/disadv - if you're looking for "less swingy D&D"

Certainly less math involved.

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>>50202851

And yet, Strength remains one of the most popular attributes to build around.

And big, buff men with large arms and broad chests really get me going.

>>50202851
The real issue is that strength has very little that it can take from other attributes. Brutal Slayer getting str to ac, reflex is one of the few I know.

>>50202869

>Big buff women with large arms and large chests really get me going.

Fixed that for you~!

>>50202868
Why not just remove dice altogether?
The luck element doesn't NEED to be there.

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>>50202869

>mfw I'm the only STR-focused character in the party
>mfw everyone else are either eggheads or speed o' sound sonics

Sometimes I wonder if it's worth being the big, buff character in the party.

>>50202923
Then you're just playing pretend with no mechanical backing.

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>>50202727

My character's clutch-mates didn't actually stick around after they were born, And surviving in your mother's trap filled lair is a hell of an education.

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>>50202889

Large chests get me going regardless of their arm size.

>>50202923
>Just Remove All Dice, Luck Is Unnecessary!
No, anon. That sounds terrible. The complaint is "a flat d20 is unreasonably swingy", not "all randomization is bad".

>>50202889
> Big buff skeletons with large humeruses and large ribcages really get me going.

Fixed that for you again Anon, I can't believe you'd make spelling mistakes like that.

>>50202727
>What is your character's upbringing?
Poor as fuck.

Raised by a single mother working as a housemaid. He helped with her work since the day he could pick up a broom.
>Did they have siblings?
No. I suppose it's possible there are some bastard half siblings out there though.
>What's their relationship?
He was a pretty big mama's boy.

>>50202959
Skills and sheets and such still exist, though. All that's gone is the randomness of dice.

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>>50202975

How could i have been so clumsy

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>>50202963
Your mother was into traps, huh?

Did she.. teach you all the ins and outs?

>>50203004
Considering she was dead on arrival, and a red dragon... not really.

>>50203011
So it was just you and her huge collection of traps, alone in her lair. What DID you get up to in there!

>>50202727
>only son of a goat herder
>grows up not knowing much outside his little town
>helps the town supply the Pure Legion base it's centered on
>it was a comfy life, until he got a crush on the local captain

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>>50202987
That sounds terrible. It also sounds like bait, but I'm not completely sure.

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>>50203024

Reading whatever tomes she had, Surviving off of the random hapless kobold or goblin that got caught in the enervation turrets, Learned how to scrape off the negative energy crust so you don't die from it. Trying on her numerous fading magical gear, decaying from disuse.

That is until the rest of the party discovered me trying to clear out a kobold raiding party.

Also don't ask how a cloud dragon came out of a red dragon clutch... i didn't.

>>50202727
>tfw I never bother mentioning any sort of family in my backstories because it's never brought up anyway

>>50202839
Dhampir Tyrant Antipaladin whose backstory I haven't fully figured out yet. He's emulating an Unholy DK and I think I might just make him an expy of Darion.

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>>50202991
Don't let it happen again son, or else I'll
have to report you to King Lich.

>>50203080

That's an awfully defeatist attitude, anon! All you've gotta do is make their family actually matter in their reason for adventure!

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>>50200449
Any good classes or builds for using poison?

Any ways for said character to stay relevant by being able to poison non-poisonable things?

Any "Simpler" method for crafting poisons? Preferable ones not involve referring to the item cost price?

Is there a maneuver or other effect in PoW that says something like "make a charge attack. You may attack any and all creatures adjacent to you while charging"

>>50203106
Be an Alchemist and take the Master Alchemist feat.

Instead of the unabashed randomness of 1d20, or janking up all the game's math by swapping to 3d6, I like to roll 3d20s and take the middle one. That produces a nice parabolic curve, with almost double the chance of an average result, and a 1 in ~125 chance of a 1 or a 20, making them actually special instead of a three-times-a-game thing.

>>50203111
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/bladed-dash

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>>50200449
>Where did you steal your character concept from?

It's a concept I haven't been able to use or fully develop but yea.

>>50203130
This has a specified 30 foot limit and you can only attack one guy

I'm trying to do something specific
That's why I phrased my example the way I did

>>50203120
Way to fuck up crit builds.

>>50203130
Too bad the only people that use that on more than one person per spell use are level 13 maguses and... bards.

>>50203154
Not a charge attack, but Greater Bladed Dash (same link) lets you attack each creature you pass.

>>50203160
Not all builds are valid in every campaign. Nor should they be.

>>50203214
"oo let's just fuck up martials more than they already are, what a great campaign pitch!" - nobody ever

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>>50202727

I'm actually chewing on the idea of him being the younger (bastard?) brother of Noleski Surtova, their relationship strained by the crown placed upon him following the Vanishing of 4699 AR, eventually leading to his departure from Brevoy after... After... I don't know what, I'm trying to piece this together event-by-event, however I'm getting the vibes that he did something unforgivable, something that led to him becoming an Aldori Swordlord and later put away the sword to live in Sandpoint.

Is being the brother of the king too much? I mean, it wouldn't come up beyond character development and maybe stories.

Does PoW have an equivalent of how scrolls can be used by Wizards to learn spells?
I'd really like to have more than 2 of each level of maneuver, but the level progression is so quick and you get so few maneuvers known that it just ends up that way, it seems
Yes, I know about Advanced Study. Feats are damn expensive though.
It makes sense to me that studying an excerpt from a martial manual would let you learn a new maneuver.

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>>50202727

Mars Agathon was the product of investment By an eccentric duke, the production of the best of the best archers. A process that started with his grandfather and his siblings.

He and his brothers and sister were put through such rigorous training that two of them were left permanently crippled. At the cusp of their regimen suddenly the Duke was gone. Apparently their training was extraordinarily expensive and bled his coffers dry. their liege having skipped town and their holdings forfeit they were now homeless vagabonds. They all went their separate ways.

Mars just started stalking battlefields, Choosing one person who stuck out in the fighting as someone skilled. He would kill them to hone his abilities. This continued for about four years until he accidentally killed a dragon.

>>50203286
I rarely need more than 2 a level and almost never have more than 4 I want to pick per level. The ones I want but don't always pick tend to be the more utility maneuvers like the ones in veiled moon. Stalkers and Mystics can get by just fine with only the ones given by the progression.

Maneuvers readied is a way bigger limiter to the initiator than known in my opinion.

>>50203286
It has potions to grant temporary maneuvers, but they're really more the spont casters of magical fighting mans.

>>50203312
I'm just kind of sick of cherrypicking the best shit every time.
I could just not, but everyone else will keep doing it so I'll fall behind real quick.

>>50203258

That my good friend is something to discuss with your GM

Does the Eldritch Knight even need to exist anymore now that we have the Magus? I'm seriously asking here...

>>50203313
Those have always seemed like an out of place and overall dumb idea to me
I mean... potions? Come on.

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Is there a guide to DSPs initiator maneuvers? Like the color coded guides but for Solar wind and black seraph and all that jazz?

>>50203286
The critical flaw of wizards designwise is that they can just shell out cash to expand their class features.

This is a no-no.

Either everyone can, or nobody can.

>>50203252
Accurate, no one has had need to say that.

>>50203286
That's more of a GM specific thing, but drawing on the mechanics used by a (Cracked Orange Prism) Ioun stone, adding something to a list of spells/powers/maneuvers known would cost 1000gp x (maneuver level)^2.

>>50203106
Sadly no. There are no universal ways to bypass poison immunity, although certain entities have their own poisons. At a certain level, everyone can afford a poison immunity item, especially if they are aware that people are trying to poison them.

>>50203370
It enjoys Core Rulebook sanctity. They should have made a second edition already...

>>50203387
It's a holdover from earlier editions of D&D. Everyone technically can through judicial crafting of magic items (or fungal grafts for the feat starved).

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>>50203369

I would if I could, dude. This is for the RotJR campaign and there's so far no way to contact the DM about this sort of stuff beyond nagging him with PMs, which is a real obnoxious thing to do.

And the more I read about Brevoy the more it's an obvious expy of Westeros, which makes me get even more ideas for this character and it's dorking me out.

>>50203396
Yeah, except wizards can do it for a fraction of a cost.

And yeah, Clerics have their whole fucking spell list, but that's no excuse for anything.

>>50203386
There's this thread from GitP. Doesn't have Fool's Errand, but the published stuff's here.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?495623-Path-of-War-Expanded-Archetype-Discipline-Guide

>>50203407
In theory wizards also run the additional expense of protecting their spellbooks, but lazy GMing usually negates that. Then again, it's incredibly crippling to have your spellbook destroyed, so it's not surprising that no one does it as players would likely reroll.

>>50203396
Are there actually people who ban certain groups of classes just because they're not core? What a bunch of losers, in my group the only thing we've collectively banned are Drow Noble characters and Synth Summoners, because no level 1 Character should be walking around with >25 health and the ability to kill a CR 3 creature in one hit.

>>50203400

Okay here's the strat.

Flavor it up as a baseline for someone "High" in that court. pussyfoot around actual names until gametime. If DM says yes, Boom you're good. If no, then you can just plug in a custom guy.

>>50203400

>That spoiler

I've honestly wondered why people never caught on to this; House Rogarvia is descended from Choral the Conqueror, who forged a single kingdom from a region of Seven Noble Families with the aid of three dragons. They rule the lands from the Ruby Fortress (Red Keep) sitting upon the Dragonscale Throne.

Heck, the current king is basically a puppet of his sister, who is effectively queen-regent and jealously guards her brother's bachelorhood even as old grudges bubble from the surface and threaten to once more tear the kingdom apart.

Everything about it screams Game of Thrones.

>>50203423
I doubt that, although I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to get some newbies involved at the same time and don't want them to be overwhelmed with options. Published classes do not get removed from the game because they exist in books that have been sold. Corrections to printed material are accepted, but retroactively removing something is a big no-no, especially if its been rendered irrelevant by new material (which you would have to buy).

Pathfinder is a deeply bloated rulebase and needs a new edition very badly, but instead they are working on Starfinder to generate more income.

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>>50203418
This is exactly what I was looking for thank you so much anon!

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>>50203447

>Flavor it up as a baseline for someone "High" in that court. pussyfoot around actual names until gametime. If DM says yes, Boom you're good. If no, then you can just plug in a custom guy.

I was planning to do this, but when you put it that way it just makes the process so much easier. Thanks anon!

>>50203400
You never know if you don't try, anon.

>>50202835
Ching Shihi was great

>>50202869
Not with Path of War.
>Dex to damage on finessable weapons, muh nippon steel Katana is now finessable, damage increased to 2d6 for free too

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>>50203636

Heh, and tell that to all the strength-focused ZweiSents I've been shacking up with every PoW game that crops up.

Not everybody wants to play a swishy-swashy prissy pants dex build, anon-senpai.

>>50203636
Polearms, spears and double weapons too mate

How do ranged sneak attacks work /pfg/? Im so confused.

>>50203687
Not very well

Has anyone run into any issues after letting a monk enchant their unarmed strike?

>>50203710
That is what I was worried about. Flanking rules alone are a mess for ranged and even if it is within 30 feet it is still confusing.

I wanted to pair a hawkguard warder with a rogue but now it looks like I need to do something else.

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>>50202583
>>50202612
>>50202724
>>50202771
>>50202809

But remember, Profession (courtesan) and Profession (servant) are both based on Wisdom, not Charisma!

Shy yet patient and dedicated courtesans and cabin boys/girls are best for the ship. They could even be Brevoy Bandits to add a useful stat like Dexterity or Intelligence to their Profession checks.

>>50203717
Only once, and that was with a sharding weapon enhancement monk.

Motherfucker flurried things 10ft away from him with flying fists like a damn DBZ or JoJo character.

>>50203731

Well yeah.

What's the saying? Younger courtesans are pretty, but the older ones know more tricks?

>>50203687
They work during the surprise round when everyone is still flat footed. Or if you turn invisible.

>>50203753
If you're high enough level you can also do it repeatedly if you can hide in darkness. Just carry around something with an Arcane Mark on it that has the Umbral quality to it and bam! instant darkness in anything other than super bright light.

>>50203766
What does training an ENTIRE airship crew to be courtesans look like?

>>50203687
>>50203720
Flanking doesn't apply to ranged attacks. You can make it work with Sniper Goggles to remove the 30' range limit. You can always Sneak Attack when they are denied their Dex to AC. Level 8 Scout (rogue) also qualifies if they have moved 10' that round, but only to one attack per round.

>>50203738
That sounds fucking cool! Did it break the game or just the tone? (Ie what was the actual issue?)

>>50203753
The best way to trigger ranged sneak attack is by gestalting Hunter and Rogue.

Get 2 animal companions, give them the teamwork feat that lets your ranged attacks be treated as flanking when your pets flank a target.

Voila! You're doing sneak attacks every other round.

>>50203776
Bodacious Space Pirates anime

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>>50203776
>Circumstance bonuses stack

>>50203784
>That sounds fucking cool!

It WAS. Until the fucktard argued that sharding with an unarmed attack was like using a reach weapon and thus repeatedly begged the DM to let him do combat maneuvers 10ft away - including grapple checks. WITHOUT the penalties from grappling because LOL FLYING FISTS

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>>50203789
>Bodacious Space Pirates anime

>>50203789
>The best way to trigger ranged sneak attack is by gestalting Hunter and Rogue.
>Get 2 animal companions, give them the teamwork feat that lets your ranged attacks be treated as flanking when your pets flank a target.

Okay, THAT is fucking brilliant.
Too bad Rogues can't get animal companions or share teamwork feats naturally.
Too bad Hunters can't get sneak attack naturally.

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/pfg/ teach me the ways of the meathook.

I'm hoping to be able to at least be able to pull something medium 30ft towards me in a single round.

>>50203873
MAGIC

>>50203873
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/force-hook-charge
The opposite, but equally effective at closing the gap.

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>>50200449
>24 applicants to a game
>4-5 people accepted a game
>~4 people are likely to be shitters
That's enough for 4-5 groups of players
Where 2 buy GMs?

>>50203909

Now you see why we emphasize putting out a quality application and not getting too invested.

Game advertisements are wild brawls and the DM's the one deciding who came out on top.

>>50203873
In order to Roadhog, you need to be a Savage Technologist Barbarian.

The meathooking is a bit tougher.
1st, you need - http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/steadfast-grapple

2nd, you need -
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Pull-Ex-

In order to use the Pull monster ability, you'll need an alchemist to brew a permanent fleshcrafting potion for you, or suck your DM's cock.

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>>50203938
Why can't we just raise some GMs though? Like find people that don't know how to GM and then mold them into it?

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>>50203963

>Why can't we just make some DMs?

B-Because not everyone wants to be a DM, that's a lot of responsibility! Are you willing to take responsibility?

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Stat me, /pfg/. As a monster. In a pastebin.

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>>50203997
For making DMs? Sure, I guess. I'm doing two co-DMing things with people I know IRL, and helping them get better so they can eventually DM for more people on their own.

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>>50203953
oh wise anon, I come with another question.

stat me.

>>50204038
Alchemist with homebrewed crossbow that lets them fire infusions, with the Injected Infusions feat.

>fw not good at doing voices so i avoid having multiple NPCs ever talk

Any sign of Villains Codex yet?

>>50204038
Visionary Researcher Alchemist.
Get firearm proficiency
Infusion Disovery

Spellstoring Weapon

or

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/ammunition/ammunition-bow-arrow-raining

The latter is more up to the DM if he'll allow you to load the raining arrow with a dose of potion or infusion.

>>50203873
What you want is Hamatula Strike.

It lets you make free grapple attempts when you hit someone with a piercing weapon. It doesn't specify melee. Grapple attempts also move the target adjacent to you if they succeed, under normal circumstances.

There ya go.

>>50203953
I dunno, Roadhog doesn't really do angry.

>>50204185
>Grapple attempts also move the target adjacent to you if they succeed

Aren't you just exploiting an exceptional situation to a rule?

>>50204213
Bloodrager with abberant and long arm and enlarge has like 20 feet of reach. If you start a grapple you move them next to you.