Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Are World Eaters without tactics, or is there variance beyond the Savage Tide?

So working on my list and here are some thoughts based on other lists.
Rhinos are yes
Tartaros Get a Combi and claw.
I don't fucking know what Catta bodyguards get other then a Land Raider.

>>50166362
Your entire army is based around assaulting shit and drowning your enemy in hundreds of attacks, now there are plenty of ways to do that but thats just what you do and if you dont like it then WE arent for you.

>>50166362
Without tactics you get cut down before making it into combat. A lot of WE just go ahead and play that way, and it's still fun. If they win, it's with heavy losses on both sides.

Repost from the end of last thread:

Just posting a quick idea I've been fiddling around with on Battlescribe on break at work
2000 points, no ROW

Deathshroud in Land Raider as HQ - 435
2x 10 man in rhinos - (Sarge with artificer and melta bomb) 185 each squad
3x Quad mortars (shatter) - 210
Kheres Mortis -180
Grave Wardens in Land Raider (2 chainfists) - 435
Sicaran Venator -190

180 points left over for something, maybe another tac squad?

Is this list going to get mashed because of low body count, OR is 2 LRs and strong Terminator units going to be real handy at 2000 points? Venator and LRs deny tanks and pop transports, Kheres and Quads shred up infantry and transports, rhino dudes hold objectives nicely, Terminators are assault nightmares for all kinds of dudes

>>50166445
>not footslogging blobs and termies

do you even Death Guard

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>>50166362
If your enemy ends up dead I'd say whatever plan you used was successful. After all, victory needs no explanation.

Y'know, I always hear about fighting and units taking stuff down or being utterly crushed, but what about objectives? How often are they the key to victory?

Also, do the Ordo Reductor participate in the Quest for Knowledge, as the rest of the AdMech/Mechanicum do? I'd assume so, but I'm still learning the fluff, and the thought of sending Thallax Cohorts to grab objectives in search for data/relics/other important things sounds cool.

Y'know, I feel like that bit is obvious, but I still feel like asking.

>>50166489
First list had flootslogging blobs, but footslogging terminators just seems like a surefire way to lose 450~ points in 2 turns

>>50166515
Who cares? It looks cool.

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Who are your favorites allies? Enemies?
Best type of players to play against? And as allies?

>>50166503
The Quest for Knowledge is not just searching for STCs. It is the equivalent of Achieving Enlightenment and Becoming One With God combined. Those who take the most literal approach to the Quest for Knowledge become Explorators, but there are thousands of other disciplines and methodologies that could all be aggregated up into the Quest for Knowledge. Just like real religions, Machine Cult dogma is endlessly complex and nebulous, with different answers depending on who you ask and when.

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>>50166503
I too am interested and intrigued by the Bringers of the Blessed Ruin. It appears they don't concern themselves with the pursuit of knowledge with only one exception: the destruction of the enemy.
Source HH5 p.220

>>50166560
Huh, that makes sense, actually.

>>50166584
The Ordo Reductor are cool, aren't they?

But seriously, I've never actually played, how often do objectives play into the game?

>inb4 'no one here actually plays'

>>50166656
Depends, in most 30k missions the objectives don't matter untill the last turn but with some you get points for having units camp them. Either way your scoring units need to survive and the scary shit of your opponent needs to die.

>>50166656
Pretty much all the time. That's what tac blobs with an apothecary are good for, while your termies do the offensive work (i.e. taking objectives on the other half of the table, then being relieved by tac blobs so they can move on to the next one).

>>50166445
I'm not sure a Venator is a good use of points at 2000. It's only better than a multi-shot tank against superheavies and you won't see many at that game size. I'd consider a Predator or Vindicator squadron.

>>50166445
Giving your tacs combat blades and the sarge a weapon of some kind (fist, axe) can be surprisingly handy.

Use the spare points to get a second dread or a predator for some extra armor saturation.

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>>50166362
Yeah, you need to have support structures that facilitate your melee assault. As the FW books put it, the World Eaters employed a wide array of support units and armour, all as a means to an end. That end being, whenever possible, the delivery of line units to where they can beat the fuck out of the enemy most effectively.

It's the tactical, disciplined, combined-arms approach to savage melee combat that first drew me to Horus Heresy World Eaters desu. It all goes out the window between the Shadow Crusade and the Siege of Terra, but whatever.

>>50166806
Nothing wrong with playing to a specific era. Just ask historical gamers.

How the fuck did the backsliding of Nostramo come as a surprise to Curze?
>Bring world to silent, terrified compliance
>Everyone goes to work then comes home and locks their doors
>No gangs running the streets whatsoever
>Reunited with the big E, gets legion
>Goes off crusading
>...
>After a while gang culture creeps into the legion:
>Nostramo gang salutes (claw-over-heart)
>Officers taking gang-inspired titles
>Legion organisation begins to be loosely based around nostramo gang structure
>GEE I WONDER WHERE ALL THIS CAME FROM THERE SURELY CAN'T BE ANY GANGS ON NOSTRAMO I STOPPED ALL THAT

>>50166749
>>50166767
Huh. So would a whole lot of Thallax on objectives with a couple Thanatar and an Archmagos/Tech-Priest Auxilia watching over them and taking out the big stuff a good idea?

With Thallax being so survivable, I'd assume they'd be good at camping/taking onbectives?

>>50166854
He thought he scared them straight too well.

>>50166854
Curze knew exactly that it would happen and even says as much to Vulkan. He believes humanity needs to be kept in a constant state of compliance and that if you turn your back on them, they will betray you. His fractured mind was split between that logic and the emotional joy of spreading that pain.

>>50166860
>With Thallax being so survivable, I'd assume they'd be good at camping/taking onbectives?
Camping on them would be a poor use of their mobility. But yeah, good for taking them.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Webstore-Blog/2016/11/07/The-Razorback-Rikarius-Free-Rules

I know it's 'datasheet' says M37, but would you let someone use this in a HH game?

>>50167032
What's a razorback, Legionnaire?

>>50167032
Son, get your time traveling self out of here.
>>50167052
I think it's a kind of toothpaste, Brother or Cousin.

>>50167032
I've never heard of a "Razorback". It looks kind of like a Rhino with a pintle-mounted heavy weapon, but we call them Rhinos with pintle-mounted heavy weapons.

>>50167032
>Assault cannons
>M37

No, but I'd allow a single VDR created vehicle per army if a player wanted.

>>50167052
>>50167062

I just thought it looked cool

>implying the meme legion doesn't have weapons from the future

>>50167032
Who do you think yourself to be in order for you to innovate, the Ordo Reductor?

>>50167080
It might be some of my brothers fiddling around with assault cannons. You know us Bangles. An assault cannon here, and eighty more stuck to it.

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>>50167032
Another name to the servitorization list.

>>50167081
>implying the meme legion is capable of having anything original

>>50167032
No. It would start with this thing, then Razorbacks as well, then the Crusader, then the Redeemer, and before you know it people are spamming Grav-cannon centurions.

Are Mastodons any good for their exorbitant price cost? I know that you're paying mostly for the durability of a super transport but it's firepower seems really lacking when I could just take a Spartan and a super heavy with massive fuck off blast templates

>>50166500
When did Kharn become 1st captain

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Can I use my GW knight crusader in games of 30k? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but on the 1d4chan for HH tactics it says you can use a 'Questoris Knight Crusader'. Does this extra questoris mean anything or is the model the same and useable in 30k. Cheers

>>50167248
I recon it's after the story "After De'shea", where Eight captain Khârn is the highest ranked surviving captain after the Legion Master and everyone down to the 7th are killed by Angron, having failed to convince him to lead the War Hounds as their Primarch.

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>>50166806
>>50166851

You can always just be a Warhound :^)

>>50167284
I'm sure he was always captain of the 8th assault company, and equerry to Angry after De'shea

>>50167258
Can't have the battle cannon + gatling cannon combination but anything else is allowed I think

ANYONE VOTING FOR THE GOD EMPEROR

HORUS FOR PRISON

>>50167322
>Khârn the Bloody
>Captain of the World Eaters 8th Assault Company, the Twice Un-slain, The Ender
I'm not sure about anything, anon. I just post quotes.

>>50167386
It seems we need the third person in this thread to help us out here

>>50166554
One of my favourite (in theory) ally/enemy combinations is Salamanders/Emperor's children (whom ally as battle brothers), for a couple of reasons:
>The nature of the EC naturally covers the weaknesses of the Salamanders, i.e. Their slowness
>The Green/Black vs Purple/White colour schemes allow to create a nice contrast, either by going light sallies/dark EC or vise versa.
>Fluff wise, you have a couple of options available for why the army exists: You could be a loyalist element made of survivors from the two Istavaans, or an element of Sallies who bargained their way out of the Dropsite Massacre for traitors, or even led by ex Destroyers, abandoned by their Primarch, who jumped ship when Horus rebelled.

>>50167386
>>50167431
Its an in-universe written document, the narrator could've easily been mistaken in assuming the primarch's equerry is the first company captain like in other legions but in truth Kharn is the exception as he is still the 8th assault company captain while being the primarch's right hand.

>>50167258
Y'know, I don't think I've ever seen that head on a Knight.

>>50167453
I could agree with this. But still, did they ever re-recruit anyone for the seats of 1st to 7th captains? I mean Khârn could be both The Eighth and still be the highest ranked captain by virtue of everyone else above him being dead.

>>50167453
>>50167497
it's probably easier to file it down under

>FW doesn't proofread

case in point;
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Kharn-the-Bloody-8th-Captain-of-the-World-Eaters

>>50167322
De jure he's only 8th company captain but de facto he's first captain.

Goes to show you how little WR care about titles

>>50167497
Bonds of brotherhood and all that, which the war hounds and later world eaters, were big on (in Betrayer), id say that companies would largely promote from their own

Is it odd that I think that Castellax look cooler when you think of the servo-skull in their chest as their head, rather than the dome on the top?

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So I am trying to scratch build a Leman Russ model instead of focusing on the election because holy shit I don't want the world to end.

This is all very, veryyyyy WIP, may entirely change later on but so far I am happy with the pose and the general build, but not 100% on the head nor both shoulders and I think I might use a set of Cataphractii legs instead.

>>50167726
Y'know the actual LR model dwarfs that, right? It also looks a lot better.

Please do not mention politics outside of the political board.

>>50167738
>Don't mention politics again.
Got it.

>LR is a lot larger.
I know, but I am working with what I have right now, and as long as both are on 40mm bases I can live with a general size difference.

Why can't Reductor Magi take Jet Packs? It saddens me that I'll never see one leading Thallax into a charge.

>>50167748
Yeah, but if you're going to be making an entire chapter with 5 Praetors, you fluff-rapist, why not go all out and grab the actual Leman with his two doggos?

>>50167761
>why not go all out and grab the actual Leman with his two doggos
I want to play with his current rules, and then see what his actual rules are before I commit to the model. If I don't like his rules, I don't want his model.

>>50167784
>playing for rules
>not playing for fluff
>not buying your Primarch's model just so you can be amazed at it's detail
Tbqh I am quite disappointed in you.

>>50167784
fag...please go back to 40k

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>>50167738
>Y'know the actual LR model dwarfs that, right?
What? he's tiny.

>It also looks a lot better.
I dunno about that.

You're not talking about that weird ogre mutant, are you?

>>50167818
>new genestealer hybrids coming out at the same time as a new leman russ model, mirroring this exact magazine ad
what a time to be alive for a warhammer fan.

>>50167818
Dude, he totally looks better.

Seriously, his fluff is pretty awesome too! An Imperial Guard commander who was so good, they tasked him with founding the Space Wolves alongside his two pet wolves and made him a Space Marine? That's cool, man.

>>50167784
His current rules are only a placeholder... they're generic compared to what he'll get when Inferno comes out.

>>50167845
if people don't take classic russ with the new rules, I'll be very sad

>>50167224
Not at all

But theyre cool as fuck

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>>50167258
>>50167326
Despite what this dude says, the Crusader is completely usable in 30k.
Pic related is a screenshot (sorry for possibly huge image size) from the most recent Crusade Imperialis Army List.

So yeah. You can use your dakkaknight pretty much however you want.

>>50167860
That's the idea, if I like how he plays now -hopefully- I will like what his actual rules are, and if those real rules play well I have no issue buying that model.
Then retro-converting this one to just be a Pseudo true-Scale marine.

>>50167933
>>50167326
it's pretty retarded that FW did this, because a lot of us 40kids that couldn't into magnets built our Crusaders with the battlecannon + gatling cannon combo, only to find out it's illegal for 30k. I guess all is fair in love and warhammer though, shoulda magnetized.

>>50167997
The melta cannon/ battle cannon doesn't magnetize that well because of the magazine and the little stubber hopper on the side. If it was just a barrel swap sure, but the designs are different enough to trigger most, I think.

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>>50167949
>>50167784
>>50167748
>Playing heresy with "whats good" instead of what's cool

Get out of this hobby and stay gone faggot

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>>50167949
>Playing 30k
>Not owning your primarch

>>50167949
Man, I just can't agree with you. Sure good rules are fine and all, but 30k is all about the fluff, in my own opinion. Playing otherwise is to invite the cancer that is currently the problem of 40k.

>>50168116
>Play IF
>Rogal sucks unless you take his pimp mobile

At least I have sigismund with a helmet

>>50168142
The whole point is that, regardless of rules, it's weird not to own the primarch of your favourite legion.

It's all about the fluff and the hobby, man.

>>50168142
I'd take him if he had a model, sure he sucks and his rules are all over the place but that many eagles will look baller as fuck.

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>>50168142
He doesn't suck, he just proves how better Pert is than him.

>>50168176
If the rogal dorn model looks cool I might change my tune, and I have high hopes they will go with a stoic pose rather than an action pose which should reduce the chance of him having a dick sucking face.

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>>50168180
This is the real IF Primarch.

>>50166854
Its K, Nostramo was burned to the ground a lot then 'sploded anyway.

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Added a shield from the thunderwolves set, I like it a lot on the model.

>>50168121
>>50168076
>>50168116
It's a relatively big investment for one model, thats my hang up- I would rather flush out other parts of my army first before buying LR, and this is a good stop gap.
I can play with the model, and not spend another dime on LR until Inferno comes out, and what money I may spend goes into actually making my army worth fielding.

>>50168142
Yeah, I really wish I could deep strike Dorn somehow. I'd love to be able to attach him to a deep-striking TH+SS Terminator squad.

>>50168321

goddamn do I like this conversion so far.

I sure wish perty could deepstrike with his beep boops

>>50168157
>it's weird not to own the primarch of your favourite legion.
not particularly

primarchs all being totally out of scale with the marines turned me right off

>>50168378
Any idea's to help it?

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>>50168220
>Meanwhile in the IVth

>>50168392
You want them to be bigger? I think they look fine.

>>50168392
You're going to love daemon Magnus then.

>>50167784
>>50167933
>>50168321

>this much waacfaggotry.
>shitty plastic "conversion".
>He even got a fucking trip.

Eugh, back to /40kgen/ with you.

>>50168442
I cant fucking wait for plastic Dorn, this time he'll be more machine than eagle!

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>>50168416
absolutely none, this is the best converting I've ever done and it's still mid-tier

>>50168483
p-please tell me you corrected those mold lines

>>50168427
Smaller. Primarchs being 54mm dudes walking around 28mm dudes look ridiculous.

>>50168321
How did you make the basic Primarch sized frame? I've been wanting to kitbash my ocdonutsteel Lost Legion Primarch, and I just need a way to make a Primarch scale armoured form, the customizing I can handle later.

>>50168519
Plastic Tartaros legs.
Plastic Tartaros torso front with the four flanges cut down to allow the plastic torso back from a regular marine pack, allowing contact with both pieces head.... shelf thingy.

This very losely based off of the 'Death of a Rubricist- how to make a true scale marine' guide, using the bits I had available.

>>50168495
hahahaha *laughs bitter tears*

>>50168386
He did it in angel exterminatus, I don't see why FW can't agree

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>>50168464
Y'all need mo' muthafukin' eagles.

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>>50168635
Only 3 eagles? Must be a traitor!

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>>50168663
>Has an aquila on his aquila pauldron
Nah, this is what a traitor looks like.

>>50168699
Not gonna lie, if they released a model for that guy, I'd play WB in a heartbeat.

Posted in /wip/ but might as well ask here too.

GW doesn't ship their basecoat sprays to Canada, what's a third part I can order Leadbelcher spray from, or what's a good alternative?

>>50168724
They don't?

How odd. I think there's either an Army Painter Steel Spray Primer, or something along those lines. Unlike GW's color sprays, it's an actual primer.

>>50168724
Weird, my store has them, tamiya and army painter are both good options.

>>50168724
Army Painter has a really good one called Gunmetal or something like that. Fantastic primer, used it for my Necrons.

>>50168724
Search Canada eBay, they have one on there for $26.73 Canadian dollars plus shipping.

Siege, Calix, or Cynis?

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>>50168817
Yes
either siege or cynis, but Cynis only with cybertheurgy

>>50168635
SPQR

>>50168878
huh?

>>50168483

>mid tier

Oh KA, you poor, innocent soul. That's just barely a kitbash.

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Anyone renown leaders or generals within the World Eaters. I'm torn between the idea of techno-barbarians, Hercules style legends, and a vicious army under the command of a very god damn angry but brilliant bismark.

>>50169216
The way I see the WE is
>Warhounds, Greek Spartans
>World Eaters, Roman Slave Gladiators

After all, they are but slaves to the Nails.

>>50169232
Spartans is a good idea, I hadn't thought of that.

Repost since it was evidently the last post of the other thread.
Guys help me out. I don't have the red books and I want to pick them up while the £ is down, and since I'm doing that I might as well pick up more shit so I don't have to pay for shipping again, but I have tons of stuff already that need to be worked on (BoP and BaC boxes) and I'm not 100℅ on what I want to have in my army. Should I get the special models and other stuff and pay the money now since I plan to eventually anyway, or just fucking wait until I know what I'm doing and maybe pay more?

>>50169286
Do you have any friends that want anything from FW? Combine orders to get the free shipping, it's not rocket surgery.

Also, where in the world are you? Be very aware of having the shit taxed out of you if you live in Aus. Can't speak for anywhere else.

>>50169286
Mate, FW raised and lowered, but mostly raised, prices today.

Also, pdfs of the redbooks are in the OP. Check them, write up an army list you like, then post it.

>>50168116
I will preorder Sanguinius the second I am able, I will stab someone if they try to stop me

>>50169239
especially fitting with the whole "one astartes is worth a hundred normal men" theme that space marines has going for it.

>>50169364
my good man please show me which items were lowered so I can support brexitland with my trumpbucks

>>50169439
Hm, other than 300, what kind of good inspiration or lorw can I look for? I'm thinking maybe greek myths of sparta?

>>50169439
Didn't Dorn say "Give me a hundred Space Marines. Or failing that give me a thousand other troops."? That would make a Marine 10 other dudes.

>>50169451
Mor Deythan.

Maybe a couple other things, but that's the most noticeable, going from £50 to £39. Most things were raised £1-£10, maybe more.

>>50169368
Brother!

>>50169455
There was this war that Sparta got into after a dude stole the King's wife. Kind of a big deal.

>>50169465
let me enjoy my science fantasy with a little more hyperbole.

>>50169455
you could look at actual history books. Landmark Thucydides is a giant (and cheap!) paperback book that'll cover the peloponnesian war and gives a lot of background info along the way. good place to pick up ancient greek names, ideas, things like it. like I bet you could find a ship name or two to name your Storm Eagles like Trireme or cooler.

>>50169516
>let me enjoy my science fantasy with a little more hyperbole.

Never! You will enjoy it the Correct Way(tm) or not at all.

Alright niggas sleek, smooth MK IV for World Eayers reaving through battle lines, or brutal, tearing MK II/III for World Eaters ripping through the front line?

>>50169613
I'm doing MK4 + CSM bits Inductii, MK3 Sniper Veterans outflanking. it's gonna look gud (I hope)

here's a challenge: does anyone have a good recipe for POST heresy Alpha Legion?

That dark blue with bright silver is fantastic. It's sort of represented in the FW books but not on any of their models so far

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>>50169613
Sleek, clean, sexy mkIV world eaters is the only way.

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>>50169613

>>50168321
>Arbitus Transmission<

Citizen,

Authorities have been alerted, an inquisitor has been dispatched and your full compliance is expected.

Not buying your legion's glorius primarch because 'rules' is a crime punishable by death. May the Emperor grant you forgiveness in death, for in life we cannot.

>Thought of the day : the Emperor protects<

>>50169613
Mk3 veterans
Mk4 scrubs

it's the only way

I was thinking of making a Shattered Legion of Isstvan III survivors, but I can only pick 3 of the 4. I'm definitely going to include World Eaters (they were my second choice after Imperial Fists), and Luna Wolves, but I don't know if I should go with Emperor's Children or Death Guard for the last option. What's cool (fluff-wise) about loyalist EC and DG that might sway me?

>>50169954
Your comment would be true if we weren't talking about the WE. What is Kharn wearing? He doesn't know, and he doesn't give a fuck either.

>>50169959
EC Loyalist Character Dreadnought. Can't remember if he survived or not though.

>>50169964
kharn is a scrub nugget

NAMED CHARACTERS GO HOME

>>50169972
Terran Vet muh nigga. Fought alongside the Emperor. You know who didn't get to fight alongside the Emperor? Angron.

>>50168076
>make fun list with what you like
>"Babby's first legion."
>"Throw away that crap, get these good, strong units instead."
>"Have fun losing."

the god emperor is gonna build a wall

and dorns gonna pay for it

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>>50170002
he became a scrub nugget when he changed out of his bunny ear Mk2 suit

>>50170033
Doesn't he change back into the bunny ear mkII, though? After he recieved his Warmaster-issued MkIV w/Sarum helmet.
>>50170022
>Crimson Fists.

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>>50169239
Could make this into a preator.

>>50170091
Thatcs some good shit. I like the power fist, but could make it a heavy spear looking thing or something.

>>50169964
MkIV. He mentions this in Betrayer. There are too many options in the HUD and ain't nobody got time for that shit.

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>>50169972
>NAMED CHARACTERS GO HOME
FUCKING THIS.

It's not Kharn's army. It's not Gahlan Surlak's army. It's *my* army. Named characters get the fuck out.

Speaking of which, I finally got all my lads together for a picture. The legion's starting to look pretty alright.

>>50170232
how many points is that gathering of mad lads?
also:
>It's not Kharn's army. It's not Gahlan Surlak's army. It's *my* army. Named characters get the fuck out.
looks like angron's army to me, bud.

>>50170232
>NAMED CHARACTERS GO HOME
>FUCKING THIS.

Says the guy fielding Angron.

>>50170232
That magos in the back looks like he's trying to lure the WE with some candy or something.

>"I HATE NAMED CHARACTERS, THEY CAN GET LOST"
>Angron
I think Space Wolves would also have been a very fitting legion for you.

>>50170239
Comes out to about 3500-4000 points, not all of which I can field at the same time due to a bloated elite slot.

>>50170239
>>50170251
Every Traitor World Eaters army is Angron's army. He has overall command of the legion, and occasionally fights alongside my company, among a shitload of others. But aside from the big guy himself, the command of my force is in the hands of a praetor of my own invention.

Hell, I don't even field Angron in games that often.

>>50170274
seriously I can't believe how much of a premium the elite slot is now that I'm trying to do crimson path. all the fun stuff is an elite dammit!

>>50170232
>It's not Kharn's army. It's not Gahlan Surlak's army. It's *my* army. Named characters get the fuck out.
>DA characters are going to come out
>There's going to be a Methuselah
>He's probably not even going to be a Terran with a robot arm
You can't disappoint me when I've already prepared for the worst, FW.

>>50170232
>It's *my* army. Named characters get the fuck out.
>Angron

>>50170251
>>50170251
>>50170273

>>50170232
>It's *my* army. Named characters get the fuck out.
>>50170274
>Every Traitor World Eaters army is Angron's army

>>50169286
>or just fucking wait until I know what I'm doing and maybe pay more?
This, you'll end up paying less in the end.

>>50170417
Okay, okay, fine, I fucked up. It's Angron's army, but I feel like it's still mine, at least in spirit.

Anyways.

How would you folk outfit a 10-man squad of terminators: with Volkite Chargers or Combi-plas?

>>50170449
I do 2x Plasma Blaster, 4x Combi-plasma, 6x Power Fists, 2x Chainfists. I teleport next to the unit I need to murder, plasma them, and either receive their charge or plasma them again and charge them next turn.

>>50170449
Combi-melta, or Volkite Chargers.

Volkite for my Praetor's command squad.

Everyone else gets Combi-melta, because you never know when you really need something dead/surprise land raider.

>>50169970
Crysos Morturg was saved by Caleb Decima, they got off Isstvan 3 and fought as Blackshields. His rules could be updated given his extensive bionics and fully awakened psychic power.

>>50169964
Artificer-made production mark V.

Squad of 5 Outriders with Meltabombs and attached Apothecary on a bike for my Crimson Path list. Scout and Turbo-Boost into the enemy deployment zone for turn one 4+ FNP and then jink and charge turn two, obviously these bikes will be either recasts or GW plastic...anybody ever get recast Outriders before?

>>50169954
this

>>50169970
Rylanor is MIA, maybe he's leading EC loyalists.

>>50170555
Yeah, ebay has some good ones.

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what has this board fucking done to me

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>>50167784

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>>50167726
You could have at least given him a wolf wolf back pack, the one you got is so generic.

>>50170893
Too bad the only Space Wolf backpack worth using is 16 years old and unavailable.

The old SW Accessory Spure was boss.

What's good for a Legion that's gonna fight man-spam Imperial Guard/Militia? ie what throws good amounts of templates?

>>50171032
Blasts, templates, lots and lots of bolters and high rate of fire weapons, and if the large blobs aren't fearless (or if you can snipe the dude that makes them fearless) close combat is devastating, with even small tactical squads being able to wipe out huge units.

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>>50170485
>Artificer-made production mark V

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I wish they would tease Magnus's model already

>>50167933
Thanks for replying, pretty annoying you can't use avenger Gatling and rapid fire battle cannons together, luckily I magnetised though.

>>50171447
If Alpharius is not on sale by March, I'm going fucking nuclear.
Also just in time for the Article 50 to neuter the pound.

>>50167997
Doesn't the thermal and battle cannon go on the same arm? Can you even make thermal and battle cannon without conversions?

>>50171487
Ye it's not possible to do out of the box

>>50171032
You could make history and become the first 30k player ever to buy incendiary shells for their quad-mortars.

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I want to get in to 30k but what legion should I play?

Take in account;
>Painting (skill and time)
> Rules (how good are they)
>Fluff (the money shot! What makes this legion the best?)

>>50171531
fucking kill yourself, go look at the legions, read about the legions and pick the one you like the best once you've done so, this isn't 40k where you can just pick a race because its the best, we promote fluffy and non WAAC-y armies in this thread.

Fluff comes first, chose what resonates with you

Painting a legion you are passionate about is a labor of love

Who cares about tier listings when you're playing what you love

>>50171531
Loyalist World Eaters are by far the strongest legion, but their RoWs are pretty shit and don't mesh well with their legion rules.
Phospex and rapiers are crap, avoid.
Rotor cannons are OP bullshit

>>50171531
>>Painting (skill and time)
Dark Angels, Raven Guard. Mostly black, super easy. Same with BA but red, which is also easy.

IW, leadbelcher, nuln oil done. If you want to go the extra mile hazard stripes.

Alpha Legion. Silver base, several washes, done, and looks great.

DG white primer and muck 'em up.

SoH and IH. Pretty easy green.

NL, Sallies, UM, and WB base colors are easy but details make them harder.

EC demand perfection.

WE and IF for hardest; white and yellow.

>> Rules (how good are they)
DA suuuuuuck. RG, AL, SoH, IF, IH, IW are top tier. Everything else is good, with BA on the border because asscannons for days. These days theres no shit legion except DA. We'll see when their specials drop.

>>Fluff (the money shot! What makes this legion the best?)
Only UM fluff really sucks. Mary Sue the legion. Every other one has its ups and downs that people dont like to explore because they'd rather berate and belittle the ones they dislike.

>>50171580
>DA suuuuuuck.
M8.

>>50171580
>mostly black, super easy
But if you can't into edge-highlighting (which is not easy) it looks pretty shitty, just a dark blob.

>>50171587
I'm sorry that DA lose for having fewer units. Good luck running that elite whatever-wing army.

>>50171595
Just need a flat thin brush and gently brush/drybrush the edges. Super easy.

>>50171611
Good luck having more units left with your guardsman statline marines.

So is there any real reason to take Domitar automata when Arlatax exist, unique character Satarel when Scoria exists, or Myrmidon Secutors when Destructors exist? Seems to me quite a few options for the Mechanicum are essentially flatly suboptimal.
Although that might be due to Arlatax, Scoria and Grav-myrmidons being so damn good, but still. Maybe give Domitar automata more wounds,way less damage and some kind of resistance to ID weapons to use as a bodyguard? Maybe they take d3 wounds instead of dying.
Any other ideas to vary up units a bit?

>>50171611
Drybrushing doesn't work for highlighting space marines, the large flat panels mean you get that speckled effect next to the edge. You've got to edge highlight the fuckers properly.

>>50171621
Whatnow? Are talking about rad grenades, and stasis ammo? Big deal. DGs been doing rad grenades for ages and the stasis shells are neat but you have to get into assault the turn you use them. They only last until the end of your turn. So when the other players turn rolls around theyre normal again. Besides if your CC unit needs rad and stasis to win, its a shit melee unit.

Dedicated melee units usually have a transport so its hard to stasis them. Then you need the charge against odd melee jump unit because the stasis only lasts during your turn.

>>50171655
It is that easy. Need a small enough brush. Large flat panels are easy to edge highlight because theyre large flat panels. Unless you mean the weird lowland highlighting? That looks terrible and makes no sense.

>>50171660
>>50171670
I'm salty Trump won. Disregard my sass.

>>50171660
>Its a shit melee unit.
It doesn't need to be a melee at all.
3 bikes (one sword and a sarge with an axe) charging 20 tacticals debuffed by rad and stasis is 4 dead tacticals and 0.5 dead bikes, assuming all 20 are in range to attack.
3 bikes have a reasonable chance of sweeping 20 tacticals.

>>50171718
Hah, fag.

>>50171718
Praise Kek

>>50171733
Thats 150 points of bikes against 225 points of marines, so not a proper argument. Or if you mean dickbikes, i think its 180 points. For whats essentially dedicated melee, for the points put into it, it ought to be able to have a chance of sweeping marines. Not to mention that this falls apart against any dedicated melee legion, or the fact that they can pretty easily FOTL them off the board with shooting, as a shooting unit ought to be able to do.

>>50171538

It was meant as a question directed towards your own perspective. I never mentioned I had no prior knowledge towards the legions or the 30k story. As a matter a fact I have over 20 years in the GW sack (and 40k mostly).

So, as your intelligence suggests, you didn't get that what I was actually asking was;
"Why do you think your legion is the best?", "Is it because its easy to paint?", "Or perhaps its the fluff that pulled you in?".
Did I make it easy enough for you?

These are all relevant questions to ask on a 30k themed thread. To conclude, your a fucking retard that cant understand the basics of a forum, now do us all a favor and fucking kill yourself.

>>50171580

Thanks, spot on and exactly what I was looking for!
I really dig the Iron Warriors, as they have the grimderp up their ass, and are super easy to paint, and now through your help I also know they are not the worst as far as rules goes.

>>50171794
>are not the worst as far as rules goes.
Ironfire is OP as fuck. Super easy to optimize and super fluffy.

>>50171804

Oh.. Well, there you go! And with the new 30k box I think this is a great time to start up IW as well.

>>50171794
dude bruh, you said none of those things - but fine; I'll play your game and I apologize for my rude behaviour.

For me its a mixture of interesting fluff, a kickass paint scheme and rules that support various playstyles. I play SoH because I really liked Lokens story in the first triology of books, I play luna wolves specifically because for me 30k is all about the tragedy of humanity's dream falling apart and the luna wolves are at the center of that.

I also happen to really like white and black color schemes, and their rules support my playstyle.

I'm slightly butthurt about my choice since world eaters seem a lot cooler for what is basically the same niche as the SoH.

>>50171754
Dedicated melee legions are not going to make a huge difference in this scenario. WE and EC don't make a difference, SoH are as irrelevant as always NL are pretty nasty so i'll give you that.
135 points isn't a huge number in 30k and the bikers can be spammed pretty easily.

>>50171816
>Another IW player
Yawn.

>>50171531
Hello, have you heard the Word of Lorgar Aurelian, the Urizen?

Fortunately, I have pampglet right here!

Paint scheme alows for amazing, warp tainted fuckery in red or slate grey for the begin of the heresy.

Your guys are brave and can take psychic powers and demons out of the ass if you want..they are also pretty versatile in fluff and out of since their LA is pretty universal.

Be an unrepentant Avenger of the betrayal you suffered at the hands of Emps!

>Or trigger people and ditch most of your stuff by playing loyalist WB.

>>50171833
Oh fuck off. People shouldn't be driven away from picking a certain legion because of a meme about there being lots of IW players on some chinese greatwall-building forum.

>>50171531
>DG
>paint scheme
Easy enough and looks great on the table.
>rules
Fukken Grave Wardens up in this shit, just gas and chem-flame everything and beat the rest to a pulp.
>fluff
I like the tragic fate of the legion and the foreboding atmosphere around it. Also being masters of forbidden genocidal weapons is kinda cool. Morty is one-dimensional as a character but I guess it could be worse.

When are we getting Ollanius Pius?

>>50171980
Never. We are going to get an immortal Cusode who is also an IF terminator and also an Imperial Army soldier.

>>50171971
>Morty is one-dimensional as a character but I guess it could be worse.
He's basically the guy who has low confidence in himself and takes bad advice from the wrong crowd, Anon. It's part of the reason why I like to think Mortarion just wants to die, and is aware of BL taking away his diginity.

>>50171980
He's at Calth according to 'Know No Fear', and will probably be a +50 point token, like a watcher in the dark, who can be used once to double the emperor's stats in close combat (can exceed 10)

>>50171718
I'm glad he won.

>tfw Utah had more third party votes than votes for Clinton.

>>50172148
Whom did they vote?

The Mormon Party?

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>2nd 30k night at the shop since we started it last week
>guy walks in with perfectly painted iron hands and a falchion

I'm gonna have to step it up here

Also how do I not get pooped on by a falchion

>>50172183
Hmmm...tonks.

Good guy, that one.

>>50171821

This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks.
I have also red some of the books and its like you say, you get hooked on the SoH quite easy. I really like the SoH colors, but it seems a bitch to get good.
How do they play though? Last I heard they weren't that good on the field, what do you think (in regard to your personal experience)?

>>50172183
Sicaran venator to try to stop it firing?

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>>50172209

That's...not a bad idea. I actually own one too

its not even recast

>>50171627
>So is there any real reason to take Domitar automata when Arlatax exist
Not even if they didn't exist m8
>unique character Satarel when Scoria exists,
Nah. It's like Invisible Lorgar: Scoria is simply too powerful, which is what happens when you brew up a special character meant to knock out Sigismund. And we're still missing angels of death Corswain and Raldoron.
>Myrmidon Secutors when Destructors exist?
Some say Plasma and Graviton Secutors hold some merit. Deepstriking an Arvus that spews out 12 graviton small blasts sounds fun.

>>50172208
they have non amazing unique rules, however they are pretty generalistic and I think boost their basic troops to an above average standard (since they are like fists within 12" and better at melee then them) this means they are VERY flexible in how you play them and they are equally supporting of footslogging, mechanized and orbital/flier spam with some slight leaning towards orbital drop. their unique units are also generalists with a slight lean towards melee, mostly like alpha legion because banestrike bolters are shit. their special characters however are very limited in application on the field but give some decent bonuses towards that limited application. they aren't amazing or terrible but somewhere in between... and well, horus is a beast.

>>50167726
>instead of graciously bowing down from being a namefag and going anonymous, let's go into TRIPFAG OVERDRIVE
>tries to kitbash a primarch just by using a manlet terminator and slapping some accessories onto him
>giant sprue nubs everywhere
>mentions politics outside of /pol/
>>50167784
>rules are more important than models
>too stupid to proxy models for trying out rules
>doesn't understand that primarchs play completely differently based entirely on their special rules and that these temporary rules will just be like playing with a beefed up praetor
>>50168321
>has no qualms with buying a total of 1000 marines, but buying one primarch model? fuck that

Holy fuck man, you're about to top Knight Anon when it comes to poor decisions

>>50172432
Stop. Responding. To. The tripfags. You just. Encourage them.

>>50171580
SoH aint easy tho, getting that good looking sea green is a pain.

>>50171032
Grave Wardens.

>>50171568
What would make loyalist WE even compete with blood madness and super charging apothecaries?

>>50172499
Every scheme is a pain for people on /tg/.

>>50167726
But that guy is PLASTIC, not resin, you know the glorious RESIN you always remind us about, and FW RESIN not chyna like the rest of us
>has no qualms with buying 1000's of RESIN models and then assembling and painting them, but one primarch is too much.
You've been here for long enough but you're still a newfag, just how?

>>50172769
I never got on about resin, that was someone else with the name.
I think all sources of models are beautiful, it's just the love an affection we show to them as owners that matter

#PlasticModelsMatter

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>>50167726
>mark VII power armour backpack on the back of heresy-era terminator armour
What the fuck are you doing.

>>50167032
Hey man I'm in a similar situation to you, now the fluff for my guys is that they are the main designers for mk8, so can I use my mk8 marines in my iron hands army
>>50167081
They have whatever the cabal wants them to have, the cabal actually rolls a d6 before deciding what to give them

>>50172794
It seems like he is scratchbuilding a Primarch.

>>50172801
Mate, MkVIII wasn't invented for several millenia after the Heresy.


Get out, super poorfag.

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>>50167997
You can't run twinlink las pred either, so it's not that radical of them to say the pattern wasn't known to the imperium >>50170232
I see the Shadow Campaigns were quite successful for the ravenguard

>>50168724
Use army Painter 'plate mail' I love it on my IW>>50172175
There was some random independent there

>>50172794
Kitbashing a primarch without even basing it on official art

>>50172816
>not understanding sarcasm on 4chan
WEW LAD

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>>50172888
It didn't really come across as sarcasm m8.

>>50168220
read it as "aero dildo" at first

>>50170120
Convert it into the earthshaker trident

>>50166395
Mad rhymes

>>50172867
Ah, ok.

By the way, Utah is pretty interesting history wise to me.

Could have ended up as its own country, right?

>>50168386
I don't see why they can't be transported in his superheavy, surely the guy that made a windup Titan could figure out space allocation >>50173288
Everything could have been its own country it just depends on the time period you look at

How would you guys spice up painting IWs?

I've only recently come back to the Warhams from a bunch of years of inactivity and I've been rapidly getting the hang of both the hobby and gaming sides again, but I'd like a bit more of challenge for the former. I have never tried doing NMM. You guys think that could be an interesting but fruitful challenge?

If it wasn't for the extra bitter fluff, I'd have gone with Salamanders. Because of flame patterns and shit.

>>50173681
Be sure you know what you're getting yourself into if going non-metallic IW. Painting like that can take quite a lot of time, so unless you're planning to do a very small force I'd advice against it.

For my 40k Thousand Sons I've been doing non-metallic gold, and even though it are only around 35 models it is taking forever. Certainly regretting that decision from time to time.

>>50173859
Mhh. I see. Maybe it's something to do on a centrepiece like a praetor or named character, rather than a whole bunch of dudes.

So are the Mechanicum's HS tanks good? The Krios and the Triaros look awesome, but they're expensive. Would the regular Krios (I know the venator is good, add a Reductor magos buff for Ordnance 4 S9 AP1 Sunder) or a Triaros be worth a slot over Medusae or Vindicator artillery? Ordo Reductor, but I dont have quite enough tanks to make a full mech list worth it yet.

>>50174286
I'd take them over Vindicators. It's a tougher choice vs. Medusas... but yeah, I'd take a couple just because they're cooler. Use them like you'd use Predators in an Astartes army.

>>50174286
I like the look of the krios. I know this is a stupid fucking metric, but they feel more "fair" than the vindicator/medusa, while still being pretty effective. For example, a rending large blast is still a threat to a terminator squad, but won't just wipe it out automatically so doesn't feel as bullshit.

>>50174351
Nice. I dont play any variant of Marines,but I assume that essentially means "mid-range shooty gun platform". I run two Vindicator tanks just because my meta has a fondness for 2W deepstrike termies.
>>50174389
True, and I do like throwing blasts of respectable strength around without them being small blasts only, being mounted on a Knight or only being AP5, like the 40k mechanicus.
I will probably add a couple to my collection in the future.

Does anyone know how to get that excellent red colour used in the FW pictures? Was planning on Darkmech, so a muted version of that with more brass highlights and such would look good on my specialist tanks to go with my dark red/grey infantry and the artillery.

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>>50171580
lol this breakdown looks way off.

all black schemes are hard if you can't highlight for shit. And the Iron Hands have that burned metal thing going with purple/green.

Iron Warrior hazard stripes are hard to make look crisp. They're probably the 'easiest' to paint of any legion though.

Death Guard, White Scars and World Eaters white armor is 'easy' if you use the right off white colors. Ulthuan for WE and WS and Rakarth for DG.

Sons of Horus have a super weird green if you want it like FW. idk how you think it's 'easy'.

Imperial Fists' yellow isn't hard either. There's tons of people out there that have good tutorials getting a solid yellow literally doing washes. I don't know how much easier it gets.

The hardest by far is Alpha Legion. There's a ton of variations, all of which are easier with an airbrush. I found a good method that looks pretty close to the FW color without an airbrush. The shade is just a little darker.

>>50174427
That painted dude looks like he's overly proud of the skull on his stomach.

>>50174427
I should really ask Duncan to help with that Oily Iron Hands look....FB is the best way I guess?

The whole shebang FW does is hard to do for a scrub like me.

>At least I am ok with edge highlights.

Maru skara quadlauchers with shatter and phosphex? (Outflanking turn two, either behind land raider full of seekers, also comming in turn 2, or behind a wall/ruin/terrain, depending if they come from same side or not)

Good? Bad?

Anyone tried it yet?

Is the burning of prospero painting guide in the downloads?

>>50174533
I wanted to do the off black the FW guys did for the Iron Hands but then I saw on their tax squad bundle that they looked almost like Iron Warriors. It looks fine but there isn't a decent picture anywhere or any info on the colors.

Which Legion would President Trump play with if he was into 30k?

>>50174606
There is though.

Your google fu is weak, look at bolter and chainsword.

They have the FW schemes listed there, you could also just write them and ask.

They generally answer.

>>50174569
what legion do you want ?

>>50174547
Why would you ever want to outflank artillery

>>50174611
Imperial Fists.

But actually he seems more a Sons of Horus guy.

>>50174657
You see Ivan, enemy cannot outflank behind big guns if guns already behind enemy. Also make useless cowardly capitalist aegis defence line.

>>50174611
Word bearer?

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>>50174657
This is Warhammer, you know exactly why.

>>50174714
He gets it.

Shatter and phosphex are only r36, and with outflank, I can come close, even behind enemy fortifications, and go full Maru Skara on them.

>>50174627
they have a recipe for the way the color scheme is on the tac squad bundle?

if so link pl0x

>>50174611
space wolves perhaps ?
seriously though, i'm a eurofag and I can't understand why people elected him.

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>>50174816
>I can't understand why people elected him
meme magic

>>50174783
shatter doesn't have barrage so no indirect fire

>>50174851

Do people just forget bots exist?

>>50174427
>I found a good method that looks pretty close to the FW color without an airbrush. The shade is just a little darker
Could you share it with us?

>>50174855
Exactely, they need to get close. Hide behind landraider turn two, move landraider turn three and let loose the shatter shells.

>>50174783
But Barrage means that the shot counts as coming from the blast's center, meaning most terrain in between does nothing. It only matters for the shatter shells, but vehicles have a harder time getting cover anyway.

And 'only' 36'' range ? What armies do you play against, full basilisks on a yard long table ? If you set the mortars up near the center of the board you can cover almost the whole table.

The idea is even worse than expensive assault units in flyers. The unit might not even arrive before turn 4, on the turn it arrives it does fuck all (at least the transporting flyer could shoot something) and after your opponent had a whole turn to deal with it the mortars finally might get to do something.

But your opponent is going to thank you for exposing those cheese mortars close to his army, which makes it a whole damn lot easier to charge it with a unit and fucking murder the unit with like some tactical marines.

>>50174816
Well something like 30% of the americans believe the sun moves around the earth, tells you something about the general level of intellect there.

>>50174816
You probably don't understand why Britain left the EU either. Don't worry, anon, I'm sure next year, when France and Germany got elections coming, we'll see some shifts too and you can wonder why that's happening as well.

>>50174606
The BaC bundles on FW's store weren't painted by the regular team, they were painted by interns in like 1 week max considering how sloppy and different they all look.

I mean come on, compare the EC bundle with Palatine Blades, the quality is completely different.

>>50174631
Salamanders, death guard and deathwing if they're in there. Thankyou, anon.

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>>50174944
no deathwing i'm afraid

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>>50174997
>>50174944

I love the MK5 Heresy power armour, the helmet is so aggressive compared to other marks.

>>50174611
Emperor's Children. They're a beautiful legion, really beautiful. They're fantastic, they really are.

>>50174816
>seriously though, i'm a eurofag and I can't understand why people elected him.
It's a thing called resentment, and an awful lot of under-educated white males that usually don't vote had enough of it to vote that horror-clown into office.
We'll see where the next 4 to 8 years take the USA, but it can't be good, that much is certain.

This truly is the worst time-line.

>>50174611
As for what Legion... Iron Warriors, his supporters were overwhelmingly bitter angry christian white males, might as well pick the legion that's closest to that exact demographic.

>>50174816
>he can't understand

Bet you won't understand why men in ghost costumes put a rope around your neck either when the time comes.

>>50174869
sure. I don't have a tutorial or anything but the process is pretty easy. Obviously an airbrush saves time.

1. - prime w/Leadbelcher. You could probably even do it with Ironbreaker idk.

2. - touch up with Leadbelcher.
3. - layer on that Ironbreaker.
4. - Drybrushed raised edges w/Runefang Steel. Top - down direction.

5. - FW Calth Clear Blue. I did about 3 washes of it and it looks pretty nice and shiny. I have no idea if there is a GW equivalent for the blue. Guilliman glaze maybe? Haven't tried it.

6. - All of my highlights are just Runefang chipping w/Nuln Oil to dull it a bit.
7. - Nuln Oil in the recesses.

>>50174816
>seriously though, i'm a eurofag and I can't understand why people elected him.
Resentment of being left behind is also what caused Brexit, and I imagine that similar sentiments will fuel far right power surges across Europe now. France, the Netherlands, and many more are all at risk, this turn of events will embolden our proto-fascists quite a bit.

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Time to invest in some plasma weapons.

>>50174851
That's Nurglite right there.

>>50174997
Got Dark Angels?

>>50175201
Yuge Old One.

>>50175191
Admech, arm your Phase-Plasma fusils and prepare to boil your little metal arms off when Deepstriking troops eat 18 plasma blasts on Interceptor.

>>50175228
>10 plasma cannon legion heavy support squad
>sergeant with augury scanner
>apothecary
>10 S7 AP2 Large Blasts
>suffer 0.74 unsaved wounds

>>50175191
Well, at least it only restores shields to a Void Shield Generator, not anything with void shields. 40 points to reroll your titan's shields sir?

>>50175262
Point. I can't run those with Mechanicum, but I am not looking forward to the angry, ANGRY Iron Havoc teams.

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>>50175213

>>50175191
aren't those a 40k only thing ?

>>50175304
I know black is the color of those in direct service to the Emperor like Chaplains. Did the Dark Angels get to wear it because they were the first Legion and fought beside him in the unification wars?

>>50175191
Aren't those the blood tubes?

>>50175319
All terrain and forts are available across time periods.

>>50175353
>I know black is the color of those in direct service to the Emperor like Chaplains. Did the Dark Angels get to wear it because they were the first Legion and fought beside him in the unification wars?
Who knows? The DAs could have liked the color for all we know.

>>50175078
>As for what Legion... Iron Warriors
From what I've read, the Rust Belt states did unexpectedly vote for him.

>>50175445
>unexpectedly voting for the guy who promised to get them jobs when his opponent has historically supported international trade deals that moved their jobs out of the country

>>50174883
>The unit might not even arrive before turn 4,

Maru Skara means they arrive from reserve with outflank when I tell them to arrive from reserve

>>50174816
Dude his tax plan is awesome.

>>50166515
You still don't even Death Guard.

>>50174816
All problems we have here in europe, the us has tenfold as they have no real social security whatsoever.

True they have prosperous as fuck regions as well, but they are fed up.

First food, then morals.

>>50175445
They didn't poll high for Trump, but there's a lot of white folks (who apparently don't usually vote) in those states that are suffering from the downturn of the coal industry.
Trump played them well by telling them that he'd the revitalise coal industry and save their jobs (even though I doubt he meant a single word of that) as well as end all the clean emission plans Obama launched.

>>50174816
Because he's different. He promises to be anything but business as usual and that's what people want.

And thus far, he's proved it. Every step of his campaign has been by experts as being between a joke and an unmitigated disaster. And they worked.

>>50174611
>>50175445
I would actually say Word Bearors for spreading the religion of stupidity. Due to the unrecognized narture of IWs being their source of bitterness, i'm pretty sure any president elect would stop being an IW the second they won and were recognized.

>>50175464
As opposed to the dude that used foreign workers and materials on his projects?

>>50175319
So is every other terrain piece, yet people use them in 30k.

>>50175445
He plans on adding tariffs to goods made by US companies out of country, incentivizing them to bring back jobs here. And they aren't small tariffs either.

For once, /pol/ really was right.

I can't believe I said that.

>>50175515
Because Clinton is THE happy go lucky establishment candidate in all the worst ways.

>>50175489
Well, did they have a choice? Hillary for sure wasn't gon gib dem jabs.

>>50175464
>>50175489
I'm not American so I didn't understand the reason behind that, thanks for the info.
Anyway, I think you'd have been worse off with Clinton (not that Trump's good).

>>50175528
That can only be good in the long term. Sadly, voters don't understand long terms.

>>50175528
It must really be meme magic https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com

>>50173681
Hazard stripes and brass, highlight black

>>50174816
Legally, Clinton is barred from holding any office in the United States due to her breaching her Government Contract with the private email server.

I don't understand how people don't know this?

>>50170194
>You got mail!
>Shut the fuck up, spirit."
>I detect raised stress levels. Engaging smooth binary.
>AAAHHHH-
>By the way, here's the readouts for your company, vehicles and orbital reserves. Initiating scroll.

>>50175539
I'm not saying they made the wrong choice from their perspective (that was the only candidate offering hope), just that Trump isn't going to follow up on it.

>>50175528
Those tarifs are not going to happen, Trump probably lied, even if he didn't the House and Senate won't let him try..
The politicians there owe far too many favours to the corporations doing the outsourcing to even consider such a change, that will literally never see a vote.

>>50175555
Neither am I Anon, but knowledge is power, it pays to be informed.

>>50175555
It's good to imagine it this way (which also applies to Brexit): You got two choices. You know exactly what choice A gives you. Choice B can only be as worse as choice A, but there's a (slim) chance it won't be.

>>50175579
the medias were too busy shitting on Trump

>>50175619
>it pays to be informed

No it fucking doesn't. It fucking hurt.

>>50175579
She's not actually.
She was literally the 2nd secretary of state to even need email service at all, and her predecessor under Bush did the same thing.
Private server all the way for that person too.

It wasn't the smart thing to do, but back then there were no actual rules on this sort of thing, they were on unknown legal ground there.

>>50175658
Knowledge sometimes hurts, yes, but in the long run more of it always pays off.

>>50175675
Except when you get executed as a heretic.

Can't get away from this shit, come here for a bit of heresy and can't even get that.

>>50175518
Don't 30k rules allow you to use Stronghold Assault? There is a fortification slot in most of the detachments, can't imagine that they're exclusively for the Primus Redoubt/Castellum Strongholds

>>50175704
Well let's try focusing on the actual topic at hand here. Predictions for Maggie's stats?

>>50175685
Not likely to happen anytime soon.
All hail Knowledge Economy, and working in a STEM field.

>>50175713
You don't know where I live. There are many places on this shithole of a planet that still kill people with different/better ideals.

>>50175710
high T, pretty stellar Invul, Mastery Level 5 maybe? Certainly full Discipline knowledge of his chosen primary.

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>>50175658
But it's a good pain!

>>50175723
I was speaking for my own location, but yes the world can be a shit in some locations.

>>50175710
18INT, 3WIS

>>50175735
So maybe try to use less universal language. It will make you seem less like an all knowing cunt.

>>50175710
mastery level 4 or 5, harness on 3+, choose his power in everything but biomancy and telepathy, shit armor (3+5++), no clues about his statline though

>>50175731
>I visited the Terminus Est and all I got was this lousy t-shirt

>>50175760
Basic Primarch statline and rules?

>>50175769
you mean lorgar-level statline ?

>>50175782
No. Just the basics and then some other goodies that doesn't make him a pushover.

>>50175724
>high T
Don't know about that - they might go the glass cannon route, and let him have biomancy as an option if you just have to get into CC


On the subject of Trump, I read an article that helped me understand it a lot better. It was on a blue website, written by a blue voter who lives in a blue city (and this was said at the start), but he says he grew up in the sort of red small town that votes Trump, and his closing comment was that Trump voters are not maniacs and retards to a man, a lot of them are just people like (and including) his family.
The two big points are that small town America is dying - if one industry in a city dies, no-one cares, if a town's big industry dies, it's pretty much game over. And the news is full of city people who don't know, don't care and argue about petty-seeming shit.
Which is the other point - as of the status quo, represented by Hillary, their situation is bad, getting worse, and no-one cares; not only does no-one care, they're the punchline to the rest of the nation's jokes.

>>50175832
Sounds sensible, could you link that article?

>>50175832
>>50175868
Yeah could we not have politics on here? that shit belongs in /pol/

>>50175353
Considering that there were three black legions... probably not. All the legions seem to have started out in a shade of gray, including white, and black, and metallic gray. They started using a contrasting color on a pauldron or its rim, maybe on an arm in the Dusk Raiders' case. Before long they had a unique color scheme (though it did take a while in the Word Bearers' case). That isn't official fluff, just my interpretation of the FW HH books.

The "Dark" in the DA's name lent itself well to black.

>>50175832
magnus won't get biomancy and divination, if he did he could take on horus and win

>>50175882
And you should not have a name, so keep quiet.