Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>50154153
First for Mastodon Drop pod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=104tQfcK1sI

I imagine that since TSons had such heavy losses all the time, they would have more dreads than normal

That moment when you favorite legion won't get anything added for a long time.

>>50154205
How do they transport mastodons anyway?

>>50154272
Thunderhawks or landers maybe.

>>50154258
How can you have heavy losses if you don't even have too many marines to begin with?
>>50154272
Stormbirds?
>He-hear me out. What if we put a Super-heavy, (INSIDE) of a Super-heavy?

>>50154272
They toss 'em to their destination. That's why its codename is Gimli

>>50154258
Thousand Sons likely had quite some vehicle support in general to compensate for the low number of infantry.

>>50154309
The fluctuated between like half strength and literally 1000 marines throughout the heresy. I would think there would be a lot of marines left fucked up by the mutations, so dreads would see heavy use

>>50154258
Their losses were to the dangers of mutation and psychic overuse, which aren't really things you can just fix by putting them in a dreadnought.

Meatgrinder legions, or ones fighting all over the place all the time like the Dangles and Smurfs are who I'd see having the most dreadnoughts.

>>50154360
I agree with >>50154376
Mutated marines get euthanized.

Was there anything at the open day about legion specific models coming with inferno?

>>50154360
They used fuckloads of robots and the own personal Army regiment to make up their numbers.
If their rules don't include some form of unique robot and auxilia choice or loadout, something's fucked.

>>50154518
So big tactical blobs wouldnt be fluffy for them?

>>50154550
Big anything marine blobs isn't very fluffy for Thousand Sons

>>50154574
Well shit

>>50154550
They gotta illustrate in some way how Thousand Sons are a small legion.
Maybe one of their RoWs will use Militia like the UM and RG ones.

>>50154574
>>50154550
Bullshit. You're not playing the entire legion, nor is your army supposed to be perfectly representative of the legion as a whole. Unless you're planning on using 200+ tactical marines in one game, I doubt it's a problem.

>>50154596
Why? We don't even know exactly how small they are. For all we know they've been made into a standard size legion of ~100,000. Hell, according to the Raven Guard lore, the RG were the smallest pre-Isstvan legion at 80,000.

And personally, I'd be cool with it if they did that because we already know that the Prospero campaign was more than just fighting on Prospero, but actually consisted of clearing out the entire sector of all of the TSon-controlled vassal worlds. There could still only be 10,000 who made it to the Planet of the Sorcerers, with others being hunted down by the Wolves and other loose elements.

>>50154518
No word from FW about the spire guard so far... I'm worried that they ran out of time and left them out.

>>50154710
I'm thinking they'll have a special one-only Provenance for militia and cults that can only be taken when either primary or allied detachment is thousand sons, and it'll be as half-assed as every other militia and cults option

reworked Crimson Path list incoming, and I like how it's coming together, I've organized it into groups instead of a standard list so it makes more sense on paper:

STORMLORD:
Gahlan Surlak
Kharn (Crimson Path)
5 x Red Butchers, Devoured with Chainfists
10 x Inductii, Sgt with Fist
10 x Inductii, Sgt with Fist

OUTFLANKING RHINO #1
9 x Sniper Vets
1 x Apothecary

OUTFLANKING RHINO #2
9 x Sniper Vets
1 x Apothecary

DREADCLAW
9 x Support Squad with Volkite Chargers
1 x Apothecary

This clocks in at 2236 so the last 264 points I have to devote to Heavy Support, preferably a pair of tanks or dreads to stick next to the Stormlord, this list is lacking in AA and something to cover my ass, but as long as I don't go against an alpha strike orbital assault list I think the outflanking rhinos and dreadclaw will push up enemies from behind (now with apothecary 4+ FNP) toward the nasty stormlord full of melee death. also I always wanted to use volkite since it's a very 30k gun.

>>50154752
How about a rite of war for the Spire guard

>>50154666
I agree with you on this one, witch. Inferno will clear all our doubts, I hope.

>>50154784
If we do, it'll be like the ultramarines one where your bonuses apply more to an ally of militia with preselected mandatory provenances

1500 points, how's this look
delegatus, refractor field, cyber familiar PoTL
praevian artificier, combi-weapon, 2 darkfire castellax, ETA, frag nades
2x 10 sniper vets, artificier and power weapon sarges 2 HB, rhino with dozer blade and multimelta
10 sniper vets with plasma guns, artificer and power weapon sarges
deredeo, ceramite

>>50154889
shit, iron hands of course, not really sure what to do with 1500

>>50154889
>>50154921
who goes where? what's the battle plan? I've been trying to go with a boys > toys mentality in my >>50154782 WE list, so I get kinda nervous when I see how pimped out your sniper vet squads are. do you really think they'll need those power weapons? do you really think you'll need dozer blades if your rhino is outflanking right where you want it? you could cut down on those points right there and give the deredeo that stupidly named missile launcher on top (areola?)

>>50154817
It's weird to think about, considering they're my second least favorite legion, but I really want to see a real awesome Great Crusade-era exemplary battle for the Space Wolves. If they want to keep beating on them throughout the Heresy and having them losing and falling to hubris time and time again until the Scouring, they need a few really strong victories early on for them to have built up that level of hubris.

>>50154974
Nah mate, it's aioli, like the sauce.

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What's the best way to turn the Burning of Prospero MKIII marines into Assault Marines? As forgeworld doesn't offer just the jump packs, I'm guessing I'll need to go third party although that nags a little at my autism. Any close-to-legit recommendations?
Also, the MKIII arms in BoP are not positioned in a good way for assault marines. Any tips there on where I could get 20-30 arms with CCWs?
Combat shields are cool but not necessary.

I'm playing Emperor's Children if that matters. Would I be better off just using them as regular legion tacticals? I've already got 3 squads of 10x MKIV but I've kitted them as vets (special helmets and whatnot).

I'm too poor and Canadian to afford the 36 quid per 5 minis via FW.

>>50155019
Aiolos
>>50154974
Kek

>>50155047
ebay recasters sell just jumpacks

Buy jumpacks from them, close combat arms from kromlech, and chainswords/pistols from ebay bits resellers

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>>50155047
Good luck anon!

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>>50155047
>MkIII
>Assault Marines

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>let slip im starting Thousand Sons
>Friends start stockpiling Sisters of Silence

>>50154889
OK, so while sniper heavy bolters seem amazing, you're paying 40 points more for four shots, or if in rapid fire range its 40 points for two shots. I find it inefficient, and as a son of the gorgon, you may too. Secondly, sniper vets need plasma a lot less than most, so you could change to a different tactic-maybe machine killers and meltaguns, so as to have assault laser destroyers even if the enemy has armoured ceramite. This is a matter of opinion though, if you'd prefer to be able to snipe out characters with plasma go ahead. Thirdly, i prefer power fists to power weapons on sergeants, as they can instant death enemy characters and can put the hurt on non-AV14 vehicles. Nothing like instant deathing your enemy's named warlord with your no name sarge. Finally, heavy armour. It might be worth it to ignore my advice on power fists and instead give your sergeants some melta bombs instead, just in case That Guy brings three Land Raiders full of terminators. Your castellax are decent anti-tank, but its always worth having more. Otherwise, a pretty good start.

>>50155069
Thanks Anon, I'll check it out

>>50155075
I didn't think the EC used Iron patterns extensively and the note does confirm it but damn does it look good. Thanks!

>>50155077
I want Iron armour but I play fancy marines.
I want to charge into my foes and they seem the best for the role, especially when I need to get the charge for my legion rules.
The easiest thing would be tacticals, sure, but I don't have assault marines yet.

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>>50154271

>tfw every new release for any legion is a new release for you

>>50155110
the sniper hbolters are partially just a rule of cool thing, will definitely throw the meltabombs in, maybe try the machine killers thing as well

what if I added 2 barebones predators with flamestorm cannons to >>50154782 list. has anybody ever used a flamestorm predator before? I know S6 AP3 flamer predators are the blood angels shtick but goddamn does that sound intimidating for 90 points each.

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>>50155181
Yeah but close combat is a high-lethality affair, so it'd make sense the warriors meant to engage the enemy face to face be wearing as much protection as they can get (suppose the lightened backplates fully compensate for the added frontal weight).
The Wolves made extensive use of MkIII and their tactics were more about frontal assault than outright enclosed Zones Mortalis. And EC do make that heavy armour look good, dont' they?

>captcha wants me to select house numbers
>get disqualified because I didn't select numbers writting on the wall of a toilet stall

Captcha's and I don't go along very well.

>>50155047
>MK III marines
>Turning them into assault marines

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50155107
Do they all play loyalists ? Either way it still are just footslogging T3 chicks (no bro-rides in 30k) so just fire something in their general direction before you go wild with the mind boolets

>>50155181
Just get the resin Assault marines in Best MkII. MkIII was too heavy to be used with Jump Packs.

>>50155266
>MkIII was too heavy to be used with Jump Packs.
Maybe you should just get a bigger jump pack then.

#WorldEaterLogic

>>50155266
>>50155258
>36 GBP for 5 MKII assault marines, same as 5 Palatine Blades
I may aswell just opt for more Palatine Blades in that case. I guess they would serve in doing what I want them to do.
I just really like the Iron EC aesthetic. It's a shame Breacher squads defeat the point of EC.

>>50155107
>flamer support squad intensifies
please roll 500 3+ saves

>>50155254
>Hrothbad Steelmane
Even Canis Wolfborn is shaking his head at this one.

>>50155462
canis wolfborn is a lot more offensively poorly named than hrothbad steelmane
one of them is autistically wolfy, the other one is vikingy

>>50155600
One of them was actually raised by wolves and named by someone who thought they were making a great joke.

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>>50155600
It's like you're trying to speak...

>>50155462
Maybe Steelmane is a title not unlike Fellhanded? You know marines can take and change their names, like Meduson, whose original name was Shadrak Smyth.

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R8 my list.

2000 point World Eaters Traitor, Berserker Assault

220 Points, Praetor
-Mastercrafted Powerfist, Lightning Claw, Melta Bomb, Artificer Armor, Iron Halo, Digital Weapons.

165 Points, Apothecurion Detachment
- x3 Apothercary w/ Artificer Armor

165 Points, Apothecurion Detachment
- x3 Apothercary w/ Artificer Armor

245 Points, Tactical Squad
- x20 Marines, Melta Bomb, Powerfist

245 Points, Tactical Squad
- x20 Marines, Melta Bomb, Powerfist

245 Points, Tactical Squad
- x20 Marines, Melta Bomb, Powerfist

245 Points, Tactical Squad
- x20 Marines, Melta Bomb, Powerfist

245 Points, Tactical Squad
- x20 Marines, Melta Bomb, Powerfist

245 Points, Tactical Squad
- x20 Marines, Melta Bomb, Powerfist

>>50155930
unless i was running phosphex ironfire i would not want to play against that

>>50155930
>berzerker assault
>No berzerkers

>>50155077
>>50155266
>>50155355
>>50155600
>>50155700
>>50155944
these are some prodigious dubs

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>>50155930
Are they all despoilers, anon?

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>>50155977
Indeed they are.

>>50155930
This could actually be a legit terrifying list. Replace your praetor and an apothecary with Kharn+Surlak for a way better CC beatstick and getting inductii, s6 chainaxes and s10 powerfists, then bump it up to 2.5k and run the HQ pair and 20 inductii in a Spartan to prevent them being focus fired turn one due to being 250 points more expensive than the others. Use the leftover points to give yourself the cheapest fler you can buy to provide some modicum of anti-air, or at least force your opponent to jink once. That'd be a legit terrifying list for most tournaments.

Do you think there will ever be a formation for two mastodons or should I just sell this second one.

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>>50155977
Damn, boy, proof that 30k is God's work.

>>50156042
>formation

We dont have that in here friendo!

Besides two mastodons is apocalypse and at that point you're throwing the rules out the window.

>>50155930
invest in some of those warhammer fantasy movement trays anon.

>>50156042
>30k
>formations
i should fucking hope not
sell it, or have two for fuckoff huge apocalypse games

>>50156042
Save it for when you begin a second legion, or sell it at just below FW

>>50156062
>>50156072
I mean an apocalypse formation

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>>50156001
>off by one

>>50155930
Looks like an Ork armylist.

Just as World Eaters should be

>>50156107
>Ork armylist

That isnt bikers, tankbusters in trukks and mek gunz

>cant put leviathans in a mastodon
what a goddamn shame

>>50156173
You can put two chainfist cortuses in there, which is better

>>50156187
its less cool though
i'm coming in from 40k and whoremachine where i have a history of being a bit of a powergamer
HH is supposed to be a new leaf for me, where i play fun and fluffy instead of taking just the best toys

>>50156233
Then go for three dreadnoughts, each with chainfist. Angry washing machines really need more loving, and they actually win against one leviathanin close combat. Or, well, actually two of them win :^)

>>50155902
>Fellhanded
AKA "wanker"

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>>50156270
Asssuming the Leviathan lacks any way to deal with AV at range and ignoring its 4++ and +1I on the charge, yeah it'll get bogged down.

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Who does this represent?

>>50156489
no one?

The only primarch that sort of has a breakdown like that would be lorgar, after the emperor smacked him on the head.

>>50156489
Magnus the hypocrite he is, for he trusts Familiars bound in contracts to tell them they're not Daemons binding them in turn. All witchery is ultimately based on slavery. Will he fight? Or will he half-ass his surrender and get his back broken by the Emperor's dog?

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A couple questions regarding the Legion Tactical Squad entry regarding confusing options...

"The Legion Tactical Squad’s Sergeant may exchange their bolter and/or chainsword for one of the following:"

Why would you say ever trade both? Or is it meaning to say that each could be replaced with a weapon from the list.

Also, if I'm reading it correctly, there is no way to give the Sergeant a melee weapon and plasma pistol without giving the whole squad melee weapons. Is that correct?

As a side note, they really should say "Take an additional combat blade or chainsword" since you can only choose one of those options and they don't come with one initially either.

>>50156787
If it only said "or" then you wouldn't be able to have a sgt with a plasma gun and a power weapon, which you can have as long as you also acquired a melee weapon you can exchange, which indeed is a choice imposed on the whole squad.

>>50156835
So strange. In my experience the option has always been to simply replace the bolt pistol with a plasma pistol. I wonder why they didn't just go with that this time around.

>>50156898
30k sgts are pretty much Vet sgts as they have +1A and +1Ld, but they are equipped in the same way that the rest of their squad unlike say 40k tactical sgts with the same stats but a chainsword and a pistol.
Given 30k's sgts only have the bolter and the pistol you could exchange the later for, say, a plasma pistol, but having no chainsword base you're forced to acquire one in order to be able to exchange it for a power weapon.
This also means a tactical sgt whose squad hasn't either exchanged their bolters for a chainsword or bought one can't recieve the bonus attack for two CCW, so a Power Fist's Specialist weapon penalty is basically ignored, the real penalty being losing a single bolt pistol attack.

Unless you're an Alpha legionnaire, in which case you may choose to not give a fuck and buy a power dagger instead.

Such are FW rules.

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>>50155047

>>50155069
i cant find any on ebay, where to look?

>>50157186
Is that blood offer mandatory in order to do that conversion ?

>>50157232
No, but it helps.

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>>50157232
Don't be a pussy, anon.

>>50157195
just search legion jumpack or backpack, theres a listing that is a lot of backpacks and jumpacks on a drop down menu

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>>50157275
I think I'll just leave this here.

>>50157396
Whoops, didn't mean to reply.

>>50157396
>37 Attacks
>No Hullpoints
Thanks FW.

is there any other model I could use for outriders that aren't the shitty GW model or the way too expensive FW one? like some kinda happy medium I could convert?

>>50156898
>I wonder why they didn't just go with that this time around.
So that you can rock pistols in either hand like a badass.

I miss when 40k Assault Marines could wield bolt pistol/plasma pistol. And it only cost 5 points for the upgrade.

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>>50157491

>>50157515
wrong? wrong about them being expensive or GW bikes being ugly?

>>50157515
choiiiiiiiiina

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I've done it. I've bought a squad of dickbikes for my World Eaters.

I'm so hard right now.

>>50157562
only acceptable if you give at least one of them a chainsword to wave around

>>50157562
real or chinese? I just can't justify paying the iron (GBP) price.

>>50157584
Someone isn't a good boy if they don't have enough Good Boy Points to get even some dickie wickie bikes :^)

>>50157612
get back to your containment board, robot

>>50157584
Chinese ?! Do you have any idea what chinese resin does to your anus ?

Wait, people actually use those jetbikes as models ?

:^)

>>50157622
>Containment board
>In a thread about plastic and resin toys

If we're going in this direction, may as well go the whole route so mummy can pay for our marinades.

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>>50154272

>>50157582
Chainaxe, friend. And obviously, what kind of World Eater do you take me for?

>>50157584
>implying I'd pay 145 Canadian dollars for 3 small dildos

Nah son, they're from some Russian dude.

>>50157491
Look online for conversions or alternatives.

>>50157674
just checked Z's catalogue and it's still $50 ameribucks for 3 of the things. not sure whether I should get them for my World Eaters or not...T5 dickbikes with Crimson Path FNP sounds pretty nasty.

Did anyone ever end up compiling the Burning of Prospero painting guide images?

I'm still missing a few of them (Sons of Horus, Word Bearers, Salamanders) and I'd appreciate if any anons could be of help.

I want to shoe horn the defiler model into 30k, what would be the best way to do this?

>>50157693
But why anon? Those are shit tier guides

>>50157704

Completionism's sake to be honest, though I did honestly like their take on the SoH (even if it is a weird half-way between the current and old colour schemes).

The WB and Salamander ones I haven't seen period, SoH I missed because I ended up saving Iron Warriors twice by accident.

>>50157396
>2 x 2 twin-linked S10 ap1 Large blasts
>466pts
what the shit?

>>50157691
Care to point a nigga towards getting ahold of Z? Google isn't giving me a whole hell of a lot, aside from a catalogue from may

>>50157796
>thanatar-cynis
>295 base
>Knight-Magaera
>385 or so
Yeah, the thing's bonkers

What is the point of volkite calivers?

>>50157826
Shooting infantry with martian death rays of death whilst camping objectives ?

>>50157826
s6, longer range than a charger
takes up troop slots rather than coveted HS slots which are probably full of artillery and sicarans

>>50157826
Cheaper than Culverins, look cool.

>>50157826
Long range, instagib guardsmen, cool factor, relatively cheap. Oh, and its on a scoring model

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What's the general rule of thumb for equipping consuls?

I understand that primaris medicae just apes your elite/expensive unit, moritat is jump pack + plasma + volkite, etc

but what about dudes like siege breaker or master of signal? I can't tell if I'm supposed to keep em cheap as a support body, or I should jazz them up so they can fight when shit goes south?

Also are Rites of War that important? Does no one go triple non-delegatus consuls?

>>50157826
20 S6 shots at 30" for 225pts.

>>50157859
you need to have a plan when taking a consul, as they're highly specialized
siege breaker and master of signal i would give artificier armour, the breaker a combi-melta and maybe a phosphex bomb for cleaning up any nigglies that get too close
the MoS doesnt get anything because he just wants to not shoot and make his squad better.
that said, a power axe wouldnt be amiss

>>50157859
With the exception of my terminator conversion beamer forge lord, I've found that most of my consuls cost roughly the same. AA, refractor field and power weapon, be they a Siege Breaker guiding some anti-tank squad or a Vigilator leading an assault squad.

>>50157898
I thought vigilators went with seeker squads for maximum unit deletion and ammo types?

>>50157859
Spend as little points on them as possible. You're taking them for one specific purpose usually. They usually don't need Iron Halos or even Refractor Fields like in the case of my MoS. I just take him for his BS shenanigans on a shooty squad and Orbital Strike. The occasional melta bomb or maybe Power Weapon wouldn't be wasted. Combi-weapons help a lot on what Consuls can take them. Infiltrators love a combi-melta. Taking a Phosphex bomb on a Siege Breaker or whatever is never a terrible idea. Melee-oriented Alpha Legion units like stolen assault units can benefit from a character taking venom spheres, or a Terminator consul taking a harness.

Rites of War are huge. They alter the way your army list can work within the bounds of the game. A common RoW is Pride of the Legion, helpful with establishing a small but powerful army. Eventually you'll expand into other RoWs, especially if you have a cool Legion RoW.

>>50157275
I cant find anything

>>50157910
Vigilators dont get a combi weapon for some stupid reason and Scorpius ammo is heavy.

>>50157910
Nah Vigilators regularly get assigned to a variaty of squads for the scout move and stealth to a lesser extend

>>50157910
Stealth and Scout, man.

>>50155014
Id say being the ones asked to discipline the missing legions, Magnus and Angron and calling for indictment of Psykers and being successful, that would make me pretty blinded

One Sicaran or two Preds? Does splitting the power up outweigh having two worse tanks?

>>50158098
those a different units for different tasks
predators are stationary antitank unit while sicaran is mobile antiskimmer/light antitank

>>50158269
Thanks for the clarification. I honestly thought they could handle the same job. Guess that makes deciding which one to pick up a little more difficult.

I want to do a Salamanders Army. What's the best way to go with them?

Outriders: scout 12 inches forward, move 12 inches turn one, turbo boost 12 inches during shooting phase, already in the enemy deployment zone on turn one. That would make crimson path with an apothecary interesting.

>>50158391
Any halfwit with a certain degree of skill will blast the unit off the board.

>>50158388
Flamers, meltas and armour in Covenant of Fire, their Praetors with FnP can be tanky fucks.
I like them very much, but them being slow-moving is what kills it for me.

How many tactical blobs is enough for footslogging DG? I got two, but tempted to make a 3rd.

>>50158391
Thats 370 points for 11 T5 wounds that should die well before they make their points back if theres any kind of heavy weapons on the board, but the second you see so much as a typhon, the ignore cover baneblades or a divination witch you're doubly extra fucked. Would be better in Berserker Assault, since hatred is better than +1 to FNP. If there was some way for them to be troops in berserker assault that'd be incredible. Consider running multiple inductii blobs supported by outflanking melta bikes maybe?

>>50158340
>I honestly thought they could handle the same job
they could
but the efficiency will vary
predators pack significantly more punch for almost the same cost but sicaran is fast which makes evading him a lot harder not to mention that he ignores jink which makes him a hard counter to any skimmers

>>50158533
>die well before they make their points back
give him meltas and infiltrate them
%%hydra dominatus%%

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Can someone please point out where it says vets can take combi weapons, can't see it but everyone says they can

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>>50158674

>>50158674
You have outdated rules.

>>50158720
I checked every link in the OP and they had this one.

>>50158768
>legions astartes age of darkness army list
Open your eyes next time, its still there, it never left

Not my fault they changed the name

Fuck it. I like both the Sons of Horus and the Alpha Legion, the colours, playing styles and fluff, but I can't commit to the Alpha Legion because Horus' mini is damned majestic, while I'm still waiting on Alpharius' final form so I can't do SoH either.

>>50155014
Id say being the ones asked to discipline the missing legions, Magnus and Angron and calling for indictment of Psykers and being successful, that would make me pretty blinded

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Kaban project when?

>>50158837
Also my younger brother seems to have had an easier time with choosing Space Wolves right from the start, so either Horus or Alpharius would work well against his future Leman Russ to induce a certain rivalry.

>>50158853
To be fair, you could pick any legion whatsoever and the primarch would probably have a rivalry with Russ.
>I'm helping

>>50157855
>>50157846

Would you give them a Rhino?

Camping sounds fun, but when they are needed further down the field it might help.

Also, Iron Hands jetbikes sound fun.

T6 against shooting with potentially more heavy weapons with the rumoured hs jetbike squad?

Yes please.

>>50158837
Collect both with SoH dominance so you can run a pure list or a shattered legion depending on whether you feel like fielding Horus or not (Rechecked the rules, the only special characters SL cannot field are primarchs).

Or just buy and paint Horus and have it on display.

>>50158875
>rumoured hs jetbike squad
I thought we got that already

>>50158875
>rhino
always buy a rhino if able
>the rumoured hs jetbike squad?
yeah nah read the army list, they've been around for a decent while. not that great, alright if your opponent forgets his armoured ceramite

>>50158837
>>50158853

SoH all the way man, they look god damn glorious in all their colour schemes.

Luna Wolves? Yes! Sea green SoH?Yes! First company in black and red? Double yes!

>>50158886
>>50158887
It seems my rules are ancient then...skyslayers is their name.Right?

>>50158910
I thought you were going to mention how there's like seven million SoH colour schemes on account of no one knowing what green they actually are.

>>50158874
That's likely, but it just happens that the two legions I like the most had clashed with Russ in the books. I'm not the noWSvsUM sort of guy, but since the two of us are the only ones that I know of who intend to play in the foreseeable future, I'd like to have that personal touch.
Horus may have greater enmity though, as the two of them had been the first two the Emperor had found, and both of their legions had been Wolves (at least in Gothic).

>>50158882
Nah, I don't really like the SL concept, nor do I have the income for the two. It's either one or the other. Normally I would just patiently wait out until AL is fully released, but since it got colder, my itch for working on minis has gotten more pronounced.

>>50158910
I agree, the colour scheme is a big plus for me.

>>50158928
The green varies a lot throughout the FW books. Don't let me get started on BL covers.

>>50158928
>>50158941

I particularily like this variant, draw some golden cthonian glyphs on the black pauldrons and I am happy.

Harder to pull off though.

https://youtu.be/NftSNqLGLk8

Personally, I want to do some Luna Wolves one day...in honour of Horus as best Space Dad as was shown in the early novells.

>>50157186
But the arms are going to be weirdly positioned, aren't they?

>>50156042
Turn it into a secret moving Imperial Fists clubhouse.

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>>50158848
I guess when the Mars black book rolls around? That's gonna be a good one.

Hey dudes, is there a paint tutorial for Xana FW yet? Couldn't find any on the internets.

On a scale of 1 to bitter artillery, how does this look for 2k Points?


+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor]

+ HQ +

Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour]
[Master of Signal]

Legion Centurion [Artificer Armour]
[Siege Breaker]

Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Paragon Blade, Servo-arm, Warsmith]
Master of the Legion [The Ironfire]

+ Troops +

Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist]

Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist]

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment
Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour]
Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour]

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Extra Armour, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon]

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [Incendiary Shell, Phosphex Canister Shot]
Legion Rapier Quad Launcher
Legion Rapier Quad Launcher
Legion Rapier Quad Launcher

+ Heavy Support +

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron [Command Tank, Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa]

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>>50158917
Yup, it's skyslayers. Here's the rules if you like.
>>50159436
If you google search 'forge world xana', there's a thread on Bolter & Chainsword that has a few schemes in.

>>50159491
I like the idea of handing them culverins and going a hunting.

SoH slayers with MM and melta bombs on the sarge sound nasty as fuck though.

>>50159523
50 points a W1 model is pushing it, even for T5 2+.

It's one thing to have ablative bodies in a normal squadron to tuck in a plasma cannon, but...

>>50159547
Well....do they get to deep strike?

My memory is hazy on those rules, as termies deepszriking and pods are rite or special dude dependant.

And a chogorian brotherhood might outflank them...so it sounds like it could pay off nicely.

Easiest as vehicle hunters though, blowing up a sicaran allready has them making their points back.

>>50157826

They're baby multi lasers

>>50159585
Jetbikes can deepstrike.

Like i said, pushing it. Not unacceptable, but pushing it. Got to have a plan.

Does anyone know any good ways to kill dreads, especially contemptors and leviathans, with EC. What units and weapons excel at that task?

No dreads pleas.

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how do the proportions of the solar auxillia dudes hold up?, especially compared to 30k marines and your average guardsman?
theres only so much a picture can tell you

>>50157809
>www.google.com
>"yoyhammer"
Go on from there.

>>50159887
Venators, Sicarans, rapiers, medusae, basilisks, sky slayers

>>50159949
In my experience, they are a bit closer to normal proportions.

Damn, it's been such a nice and comfy last couple thread as well. Shame.

>>50160266
>tfw I wasn't the one posting him
>tfw if I ever post the base version in an army list I'd be ridiculed as KA was.
Sadness.

>>50159209
Looks like one of the better tries, although I'd like to do glyphs on the trim if it was thick enough, as one Chieftain is shown in the artwork. Noticeable, but subtle enough to not interfere with the scheme.
I prefer dulled down green with grey plates mixed though.

Also I got it wrong in one of the past posts, looks like Luna Wolves 1st Co. had the same marble white as the rest of the legion.
Source is the Wolf of Ash and Fire.

>>50155077
Never noticed that he has slit irises

>>50160364
You sure about that?

I'm Horus rising it's mentioned the first company all in black stands out like a legion of its own

>>50160544
They might have changed the colour after Horus became the Warmaster, tWoAaF is just before the Ullanor campaign.

>>50159887

Quad guns. Sunder is good.

I just noticed, for the low, low price of 193 points you can have a techmarine with four servitors firing rad missiles. That's kind of neat. Probably overpriced (though it's cheaper than destroyers with missile launchers) but still, neat.

>>50161003
I thought the same thing, then I remembered phosphex rapiers exist.

Any advice for outfitting Tartaros termies?
im thinking all claws on 4 and combi plasma and a chainfist on the sarge incase a tank or door needs pucnhed. also takes out artificer sarges and gives a chance to double out some multi wound models.
Thoughts?

>>50161003
I'm glad you just noticed that, specially since it has been in 1d4chan since like months ago. Because they don't have Relentless or Suspensor webs, they would be an excellent garrison, t-shirt armoured servitors nuking people, the techmarine repairing the building or shooting a conversion beamer himself.

>>50161035
It really is ridiculous how many different problems quad launcher rapiers solve. I almost feel it's the shatter shells that push them over the edge, not the phosphex.

>>50161063
>problems
>Not wiping a scoring unit a turn
I hated that I couldn't dump dozens of AP3 wounds on all objectives in a 36" radius.
>vomits

>>50161047
I prefer combi-plas/melta + LC on all of them. I find the extra shooting at AP2 or AT really helps more than the extra attack

>>50155944
As a newbie, why is phosphex ironfire so feared? It just removes marines by the dozen?

>>50161532
Basically that, forcing everyone to mechanise and buy expensive tanks, but then iron tyrants break your tanks open and the train starts all over again

>>50161532
highly accurate high strength AP2 templates by the bucketload.
Marines won't live long under that kind of onslaught.

>>50161063
How many do people normally run? Is it just a triple thud guns all the way?

>>50161619
>DG
>4+ FNP vs. Poison
>Re-roll Dangerous Terrain tests
>5+ Cover Save or Move through Cover
>"What's that smell? The sweet poison. Ohh, it sings to me. It's enough to make a man sick!"

>>50161679
You won't compare the Death Guard to other people, they don't even feel Fear itself.
Don't fear the Reaper

>>50161679
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

I asked this a couple of threads ago, but does anyone know a good way to make Adsecularis without paying FW prices?
Also using Dark Mechanicus, so looking for a more "conscripted/lobotomised slave rabble bullet catcher" look. Would use chaos cultists with Skitarii heads, but those are monopose.

Do you guys have any suggestions for 3rd party apothecary pieces? Not a big fan of the FW ones.

>>50158875
I almost never take a rhino for units with heavy weapons. Just take Infiltrate or Scout as your mutable tactics, or add a Vigilator to the unit if you don't play AL or RG

>>50162086
The Ravenwing Apothecary is pretty sweet.

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Am I right in thinking that if I wanted to arm a squad with these heavy bolters I'd have to buy the regular legion squad and not the heavy support squad? I know it seems like a silly question but I just want to be sure.

>>50162086
I used GK backpacks with GK terminator apothecary lights on it (cut off and mounted on the extended sleeves on the vents). GK terminator apothecary packs on the belt and Scion injector and chainsaw on a pistol arm.

>>50160666
>tWoAaF

wat

And yeah they became the sea green SoH after Horus became warmaster, but the 1st company and justaerin have always been black and red

>>50162153
>FW lists these as mars pattern heavy bolters
>not shoulder mounted

FUCK

>>50162176
The Wolf of Ash and Fire, the short story about the assault on Gorro. They are all in white in there.

>>50162265
Fuck, can retcon library manange to maintain any consistency?

>>50162153
Consider the position of the hands on the Heavy Support models, and on the heavy bolters you just posted. If you are still stumped, considering looking at the images included on said heavy bolters' FW page. If the answer *still* eludes you, you might be genuinely retarded.

>>50162297
Where was the red and black as Luna Wolves mentioned before?
I couldn't find the info, and it suits that they would all want to be clad in white just like their daddy.

>>50162333
>>50162297
>>50160666
Don't believe the trips. In Betrayal, the Justaerin are indeed black, in the same battle.

>tfw Thanatar are so cool
>My Dude's fluff is that he doesn't trust the Legio Cybernetica and their disturbingly intelligent creations
I suppose I could write it in that during the Heresy there's no time to question things when there's a civil war going on, both throughout the Imperium, and on his Forge World of origin. But what about after?

>>50162462
Have him make the tin cans act as mobile bird baths for robo-birds, or throw them in the closet.

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>>50162462
Fluff again cogboi. The Reductor have a natural distrust for Battle-automata, yet disregard this for a full hard on for SIEGE-Automata, especially because it was the Reductor in concert with Myrmidons and Cybernetica the ones who invented the Thanatar-Calix Siege-Automata.
It's like traps for them or something.

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Thanks to the anons on the Weekend my list has turned into this:
--- Alpha Legion - 2500pts ---
- Coils of the Hydra -
>HQ
Chaplain: BShield, Artificer - 105

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer, Dagger - 140
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer, Dagger - 140
10x Legion Tactical Squad, Artificer, Dagger - 140

>Elite
5x Lernaean Terminators: 5x Chain Fist, Dagger - 280
9x Invictarus Suzerain - 300

>Heavy Support
Sicaran: Lascannons, AC - 225
Deredeo: Aiolos ML, Lascannons, AC - 290

>Dedicated Transports
Rhino - 35
Rhino - 35
Rhino - 35
Dreadclaw Drop Pod - 115
Land Raider Phobos: AC - 245

>Lord of War
Alpharius - 415
2500/2500pts

I get the feeling that
A) Flyers and Tanks would be hard to fight against
B) I really wish resin wasn't so expensive

Also should i just drop the transports and just take Infiltrate on everything for Mutable Tactics

>>50162602
Huh.

Well thanks for clearing that up, tech-hypocrites that they are! I feel like they should mention that Thanatar were invented by Ordo Reductor, tbqh. Would be a cool little blurb, plus the mortar is cooler.

Man, now I've got about 4+ ideas for Mechanicum character/sect fluff.

>>50162702
>Also should i just drop the transports and just take Infiltrate on everything for Mutable Tactics
Absolutely not. You might as well just play RG. Mutable Tactics is a lot bigger of a perk than you think, and if you can't work around the DT rule (or better yet work it into your tactics), AL might not be the army for you.

>>50162813
Oh i'm perfectly fine with running Transports, my old IW 40k army was similar - the whole point of AL was being flexible

I was just wondering if the "meta" meant just forgoing them for more units

>>50162749
Thanatars are like relics and few know anything about it. Ryza were the only ones who made the Hellex mortar, then Sollex Myrmidons fitted the sacred S10 Lascannon (sort of underwhelming, don't tell them or they'll Fusillade you) along with the DAoT Graviton Ram pulled out from when mankind was in Dead Space's setting. The Calix was a lauded design, but then cynical Estaban III, which has nothing to do with Istvaan III we swear ;^) wanted a piece of the cake and created the Cynis, which Ryza didn't like a bit.
The Reductor are outsiders on this field, man, and the Mechanicus was far from unified back then, even more than it is in 40k. They aren't at fault here, because Thanatars are more built around their holy guns than the Vorax machine-predators the rest of the Cybernetica uses as war hounds.

>>50162069
Make John Blanche your personal artist, hire the perry twins and attach his arm back, basically that>>50162153
Those are for Prospero marines you could say plastic but that backpack screams mk3

>>50160364
>>50162265
>>50162297
>Also I got it wrong in one of the past posts, looks like Luna Wolves 1st Co. had the same marble white as the rest of the legion.
>Source is the Wolf of Ash and Fire.
Isn't that story about Sejanus and Syrakul? Neither are in the 1st Company. Sejanus is captain of the 4th.

>>50162835
Rhinos are great because they can take pintle-mounted multimeltas and block your squad from being assaulted. Totally worth their low points cost.

>>50162938
Huh never thought of the MMs
Now it's figuring out the best way to afford it 2500pts of Resin

Or maybe i should just wait for more plastic

>>50163037
you realize there's already a plastic pintle multi-melta, right

>>50163076
I was talking about the entire HH range
>1 Deredeo w/ Missiles is 66 quid

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>>50162069
Adsecularis look better than what their rules imply. These guys are too sexy to be WS2 BS2 T3 I2 5+. I mean they're a conversion but you get what I'm saying.

>>50163097
oh, yeah I guess the resin can be pretty prohibitive

FW shipping costs are silly

>>50163112
Precisely, the FW models look like elite Skitarii shock-troops in void gear, not a tarpit barely more expensive than grots and 5ppm even when upgraded. I want some more expendable guys for my 60 cannon-fodder. Do you think Cultists would work despite being snapfit, or would it be hell to give them diff. heads and CCWs where needed?

>>50163227
Snapfit cadians. Give them Skitarii heads and backpacks, maybe mod the lasgun a bit with a beefier muzzle. Paint fatigues and hood red, armour metallic black with white shoulder pads bearing unit number and mechanicum skull cog.

>>50163267
Yeah, that might work as I have a bunch of Ranger heads and a few backpacks spare.
I can use the Armoured claw box to get some Chimerae cheap to turn into Medusa artillery as well, and mod them with more Admech bits.

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What does iron within, iron without mean?

Let's get more creativity up in this bread. Today's homework is a new battle automaton. You guys already remember the guidelines from before, but today lets go with something small. It has to be small enough to walk on walls and climb through vents.

>>50163227
Genecultists might work better. Their void-suits look a bit more tech-y.

Only problem is they're going to be more expensive, especially once you factor in all the arm/headswaps.

>>50163350
Big pauldrons in public.
Chrome sextoys in private

>>50163350
go search up the unbreakable litany, nerd

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Is that Alpharius vs Rogal Dorn?

>>50163535
Which one?

>>50163535
I think it's dynat vs sigismund

>>50163350
iron will, iron honor
iron in blood, iron armor soaked in this blood

>>50163535
Looks like Exodus vs Pollux

>>50163535

There are at least three Alpharius in that picture but that is indeed Dorn

>Fists already in Mk7

Scandalous

>>50163350
iron on the inside
iron on the outside

it's just a solid block of iron

>>50163350
We are unified in our struggle against the enemy

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>>50163535
Fuck, maybe. That definitely could be Alpharius, but it's not like Dorn to go to battle incognito.

>>50157396
>>50157796
this thing should honestly be at least 500 points if not 550 or more. it's just too ridiculous.

>>50163535
Alpharius is the Imperial Fist lying on the floor.

>>50163657
I like that scheme. Might adopt it

>>50163657
Idiot, dorn's the guy in Mk3 in the far background. They're getting rid of the mooks before starting their climactic battle.

>>50163657
hol up
is that mk7 in the foreground

>>50163535
Idiots! You can clearly see what looks to be Jupiter in the background at a close distance! There's no way this is the battle that happened at Pluto. This book cover... is a lie!

>>50163535
It could be Fafnir Rann vs Silonius

>>50163692

>I might adopt the normal FW AL scheme

Okay

Is it possible to include Siege Thanatars in an IW list?

>>50163037
Just speculating here, but I think we'll get another BaC/BoP-like box in a year, since there were rumors that a Battle of Phall box was ready around the same time as the Calth box. So no other plastics for at least that long.

The prices really are a turnoff. I'll probably start a White Scars army when their book comes out, and I could see myself going 50% FW and 50% recasts. Those units have a terrible points vs. money ratio. On the other hand, superheavy tanks have a good ratio, so get one!

>>50163908
>No next wave of Plastics for a year
Oh god

Tbh if we don't get any word by mid/late Jan on any HH i'll just have to bite the bullet and start collecting

slowly

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>ywn see marines half-swording because AP3 already ignores armour and would melt your fingers off.

>>50159476
I would drop the MoS, I never really think of them as worth it to just throw into a tac squad.

Overall I would probably drop the MoS and 1 of the Medusas (3 in one squad at 2k is not really necessary) and either take the third as a solo choice (might as well, only downside is KP). Or then spend these points on another solid heavy support option.

>>50163941
they can half sword with a chainsword

>>50163889
If you take Mechboys as allies

>>50163941
Would work just fine if they'd turn off the powersword, it's not like those things are permanently turned on. Emperor's Children on the other hand ...

>>50163971
How about astartes combat blades?
Not the dinky 40k era ones but the long ones that come with the BoC mkIVs

>>50163994
Yeah but if they're not turned on they they aren't chopping enemy power armoured dudes.

>>50164077

>I'm surrounded with plebs

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>>50164077

>>50163941
Don't need to half-sword when you have powered armor, really.

>war-picks are limited to 40k ravenguard

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Someone explain breachers for me, what are they used for?

Shield is good for combat, but their load out isn't for close combat, they can't spam out special weapon shots like support troops, nor can they really pump out shots like tacticals.

>>50164149
Zone mortalis. That's about it.

>>50164149

They punch faaaar above their weight in Zone Mortalis.

In regular games, you can get some use out of them as big tanky blocks of infantry with certain Legions/RoWs (ie. Imperial Fists, Iron Hands), but that's tanky *relative to infantry*. Mass quad mortar or medusas will pulp them just as easily as tacticals.

>>50163926
The contents of the Burning of Prospero box will be released in individual boxes like the BaC stuff was, at slightly higher prices than normal 40k kits. But I wouldn't expect anything else in plastic.

WHAT MADE YOU CHOOSE YOUR LEGION? DO YOU EVER GET TIRED OF PLAYING THEM?

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>>50164442

>>50164442
Rogal Dorn gave me feels when he was talking about tearing down the palace to turn it into a fortress.

>>50164442
IW. I like MANY legions, narrowed it down to thise represented best in mk3, ended up still trying AL, couldn't paint them for shit without an airbrush, tried DG, stripped, tried IW, stayed. And then I remembered they were the 4th legion, and 4 is my lucky number so that cemented my choice. Haven't played a game yet, I cannot stand grey models, so a grey tide is out of question. I'm taking my time, learning the rules while slowly painting. I'm in no hurry. If I have to wait until say, March, to play my first game, I'm okay with it.

>>50164442
Alpha Legion. Easy to paint and I like their rules.

>>50164442
I honestly really enjoy the "who the fuck knows" aspect of Alpha Legion, and I think the closet loyalists counter to the DA closet traitors thing to be interesting. Color scheme is neat too. I find them really fun to play tt because of how they can pull off any strategy well, and how you can really get in your opponent's head when you are doing well

>>50164442
I started playing DA ravenwing, but got bored and didn't really like them too much


Had all the bikes lying around, so I thought "fuck it, I'll play White Scars"

Since then I love their playstyle, found myself really enjoying Scars and Path of Heaven, as well as I get to enjoy the privilege of being one of the MOST LOYAL legions as they actually managed to get back to Terra for the seige

All in all, best decision I ever made, WS biker gangs 4 lyfe

>>50163941
You dont really need to half sword when you can swing your sword like its made of balsa wood anyway

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>>50164565
>Most loyal
>spent the first 3/4ths of the war deciding which side to join

>>50164599
>attended the siege
>spent most of the war raiding the warmasters fleet, weakening them
>left the yiffs to die

Can't get much more loyal than that t.b.h

>>50164442
Alpha Legion because I've always been intrested in their fluff. And you can play them in so many different ways I can't imagine getting tired of playing them anytime soon.

>>50164442
I like Space Wolves. Space barbarians with Norse elements are fun.

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>>50164442
Colour scheme.

Not particularly. The perks of being a generalist legion with interesting rites of war. Having to spend 110 bucks on 90 points of sentinels is a little hard to swallow, though.

>>50164599
Hence why I'm making the same faces those guys are. Because they will never Half sword it :/

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>>50164599
>>spent the first 3/4ths of the war deciding which side to join
That's not accurate.

The WS loyalists and traitors duked it out in 007.M31, in what's known as the Second Battle of Prospero. That's the same year as the attack on Calth and Armatura, the Battle of Hydra Cordatus, and the start of the Thramas Crusade. Still early into the war. For reference, Isstvan III was in 005.M31 and Isstvan V was in 006.M31. Lexicanum lists Phall as occuring in 007.M31. Molech was 008.M31 and Terra was 014.M31.

For the White Scars it happened very shortly after they learned about the Heresy at all. It isn't too clear how many tried to side with Horus, but it sounds like it was close to half.

The legion then spent four years harassing the traitors, trying to slow them down, before finding a way to Terra in 011.M31.

In previous fluff it's never been very clear what happened between Tallarn (010-011.M31) and Terra. We knew that Anvillus fell to the traitors, along with all its Land Raiders, but everything else is new fluff. Praetorian of Dorn occurs in 010.M31 so the traitor fleet should start attacking the Solar System shortly after.

>>50164770
those helmet designs
what the FUCK was FW thinking

>>50164795
They're marks of shame. That marine's brotherhood had its honorific revoked and so they must wear those helmets.

>>50164795
You could say the same for pretty much any legion-unique.

Basic power armor is fine. Was always fine. When you mess with it everything falls apart.

>>50164836
those are specifically bad though
the "asian" legion gets helmets that look like they have squinty eyes and buck teeth

>>50164876
That's what happens your company is nearly killed off by xenos. Your Primarch makes you look like a stereotype.

>>50164876
Well, you can see what FW tried to do. It's just power-armored lamellar, which fits with the whole "hun" theme the white scars have.

It still looks like shit, though. This is why you don't of deviating from most holy STCs, forging world.

>>50164876
>white vertical bars
>buckteeth
Really now?

>>50164795
Asians with buckteeth is hilarious to British people.

How bad is it to have a non-EW character as my Warlord? Listbuilding for a combined Darkmech force and Scoria has to go in the allied detachment, so he cannot be warlord. Is using my regular Magos Reductor with Machinator Array, cyber-familliar and Abeyant (no Archmagos boost) as my warlord while he fixes things, or will be be instantly murderised? Nwe to 30k and dont want to throw a 260 pt character in front of a wall of ID guns or something.

>>50164876
I can't see the squinty eyes and buck teeth thing

Maybe you're just racist pal

>>50164442

I thought the AL in Legion were operator as fuck and endearing like Cobra in GI Joe.

I do not get tired of playing them as I can make almost any marine build work

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>>50164957
>Wourd your rike to pray a game?

>>50164969
What's EW?

>>50164980
I'm not white and I see it too, pal.

>>50164999
Eternal Warrior.

>>50164795
Better than DG helmets.

>>50164999
Eternal Warrior I presume.
ie. Can't be Instant Deathed.

>>50165009
>I'm not white

I do not understand how that fact matters.

>>50164442
Thousand Sons, because SOON

>>50162103
Hm thanks, my Alpha Legumes friend.

>>50164996
I still don't see the buck teeth thing.

It's way too long to look like that.

Just posting a quick idea I've been fiddling around with on Battlescribe on break at work

2000 points, no ROW

Deathshroud in Land Raider as HQ (435)
2x 10 man in rhinos - (Sarge with scythe, artificer and melta bomb, 185 each squad)
3x Quad mortars (shatter) - 210
Kheres Mortis -180
Grave Wardens in Land Raider - 435
Sicaran Venator -190

180 points left over for something, maybe another tac squad?

Is this list going to get fucked because of low body count, OR is 2 LRs and strong Terminator units going to be real handy at 2000 points? Venator and LRs deny tanks and pop transports, Kheres and Quads shit on infantry and transports, dudes hold objectives nicely, Terminators are assault nightmares for all dudes

>>50164125
>Implying we won't get warpicks on a unique unit with an option to upgrade to Calibanite Warblades.

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Do you ever play lists not tailored to your legion's strengths or over against it? Like Breacher EC, armored World Eaters, or melee IE?

>>50164442
Started painting Iron Hands because the scheme is as easy or hard as you want and I like their "high intensity warfare" shtick with big tanks and robo dudes.

Angry guys that grit their teeth and use those spiffy grav/volkite weaponry to big effect.

>Rather break than bend.

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>>50162069

Make some of Kari's Arco-Eviserators if you want ones with heavy chain blades. They're Ghouls and Empire Flagellants with legs from Dark Eldar Wytches and chainswords from wherever. Apply guitar wire and greenstuff tubes liberally.

If you want guys with Las-locks I'd mix ghouls with skitarii or DE Warriors. Perhaps building forearm mounted las-locks out of brass tube or use hellguns.

>>50165256
Iron... Eaters?
>>50164969
Most Warlords aren't EWs, you know. Welcome to the club

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WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR FOR IMPERATOR REGIS

Which legions are strong at the maneuver game?
Move Through Cover, Deep Strike, Infiltrate, anything goes.

>>50165449
Scars

>>50165384
Excellent. Most of the 30k games I have observed had Primarchs taking centre stage, and so I assumed most people would be fielding stupidly tough HQ units that can own my supporty magos easily. I suspect they still can with that ID sword, but nice to know I could theoretically get some use out of my medusae.

Space Marines in this seem to lack a lot of the BS that they were known for in 40k, but I assume balance is easier when all they need are 18 sets of bigger chapter tactics and the RoW things.
This looks like it will be excellent fun. Used to dying constantly with my mediocre admech list to Gravhammers and Tiggy deathstars, but now those apparently dont exist and I have cool vehicles and tarpits for once. :)

>>50165449
AL & RG. The DG have Move through cover because they take a direct line between points A and B

What legions are known for strong mid/close range shooting?

>>50165774
all of them

>>50165774
Night Lords

>>50165774
Traitor Custodes

>>50165774

All of them but especially the ones with specific shooting bonuses (bolter drill, preferred enemy everything, etc)

>>50165774
SoH, IH, IF

>>50165774
Iron Warriors Iron Fire.


Be mindful of your own men!

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>EC are exemplars of war in all aspects
>No bonuses to shooting at all

>>50165835
fuck you I'm gonna be running traitor custodes

>>50165957
They considered going shooting-heavy, but they didn't like the sound of it.

>>50165449
White Scars are your maneuver warfare guys

Raven Guard & Alpha Legion are your infiltration & deep strike guys

Night Lords are your fast attack guys

>>50165953
>mindful of your own men
>your blasts will rarely scatter more than 2 inches
K E K
>>50166111
fuck off, carlos

>>50166111
Dub-trips confirm

>>50165774
Sons of Horus have a pretty strong bonus to shooting within 12".

Imperial Fists get bonuses when shooting with bolters... I suppose that counts as midranged.

>>50166338
This crater isn't big enough for the both of us.

>>50166305
What I do since we Fists have BS5 with bolters is I hide them in or behind fortifications with an Ammo Dump. Since you get to reroll 1s you literally hit 35 out of 36 shots. Literally 97% chance to hit. Heavy Support Squads and Quad Bolter Rapiers just mow down infantry.

>>50163112
Agreed. Plus the models are too expensive for fodder. No way am I getting 60 of these at FW prices if their job is to die.

>>50163227
>>50163287
I might use dream forges eisenkern. Get some different heads for them though.

Snap fit cultists are too rag tag for mass production.

>>50164442
Emperor's Children because Noise Marines were my first miniatures and Kakophoni are sex.

>>50164442
I wanted a tactical chapter back in 5th, so I chose Raven Guard. Then I started reading BLs fapfic-I mean fanfic-I mean novels about them pre Book 3. I really identify with their mindset, and especially Corax. Even more so based upon his reaction to Curze on Istvaan. I've had a few moments in my life where I almost took the Curze route so-to-speak and it really hit close to home. So I knew once they got rules in 30k I was jumping all over that.

I fell in love with their dichotomy against their Terran brothers(I also play Carcharodons in 40k), the fight against the Sable Brand, and their struggle despite the odds. A dark burning flame in a sea of infinite blackness.

Plus Mor Deythan and Nex are fucking badasses.

>>50165774
I find that AL/RG tend to be kitted for good close range shooting because they can close distance really well but can't follow with a charge

Guys help me out. I don't have the red books and I want to pick them up while the £ is down, and since I'm doing that I might as well pick up more shit so I don't have to pay for shipping again, but I have tons of stuff already that need to be worked on (BoP and BaC boxes) and I'm not 100℅ on what I want to have in my army. Should I get the special models and other stuff and pay the money now since I plan to eventually anyway, or just fucking wait until I know what I'm doing and maybe pay more?