Horus Hersy General /hhg/

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Should I use the larger Wulfen shield instead of the TWC shield I am currently using?
It is half again larger, and I feel like it would be closer to what he would actually use as it would cover more than just his torso if used.
Going to be replacing the backpack with one from the old upgrade sprue.

This isn't a monstrous creature!

>>50176471
Sanguinius should be able to move like a FMC, or at least glide.

>>50176470
Blu-tac it on and see for yourself, you don't need to ask us absolutely everything, it's your abomination you're making, make it what makes you the most happy with it when you look at it.

>>50176494
Baited.

>>50176492
He'll probably just get corax's rules. Boring, but consistent.

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>tfw be S10 with mediocre statline.
>be Primarch sized in canon
>have no model
>have S5 without giant maul that isn't even a power weapon.

>>50176505
...dammit.

>>50176511
Oh true. Like how Curze is Jump infantry without a jump pack, or how Mortarion moves 16" per turn through the power of farming and drink driving.

>>50176517
>Exorcists
>40k Chapter.

Yeah no, that belongs in the 40kg thread.

>>50176547
So do you.

>>50176547
Just like you!

>>50176517
>>have S5 without giant maul that isn't even a power weapon.
Isn't Alexis Polux a Big Man with S5 base and a Power Combi-Fist?
And Autek Mor is also S5 T5 and thus immune to ranged ID through Inviolate armour IIRC.

>>50176569
See how I'm proving him wrong whilst still ignoring the names in >>50176572? That's two baitstrikes m8.

Any 3rd party demonic torsos? Something MkIV style or plague marine gut plate style. I'd get the FW plague marine kit, but I want to swap the helmets.

It's for a WB Dark Channeling project.

>>50176572
True, but he is one of two S5 SM characters in 40k.

Actually, I think he's the only S5 SM character in 40k, Lysander's Hammer just has S10, iirc. Silas' Maul has Sx2.

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>>50176547
Wait is this guy back? I was gone for a few days.

>>50176517
Huh, he does have a somewhat mediore statline. If he's the captain of the Exorcist's First Company or whatever they call it/in-line to be Chapter Master, shouldn't he have at least Artificer armor?

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>>50176743
Forgot pic.

Looking for some C&C on my list never made a HH list before so things may be changed

2500pt DG - Creeping Death

Praetor
- plasma pistol, paragon blade (MC), digital lasers, iron halo, artificer armour

Legion Siegebreaker
-artificer armour, refractor field

Tacticals (20)
-sergeant w/ powerfist, artificer armour

Tacticals (20)
-sergeant w/ powerfist, artificer armour

Veteran Tacticals (10)
-sergeant w/ artificer armour

Apothercarion detatchment (2)
-2x artificer armour

Rapier Battery (3)
-laser destroyer array

Terminator Squad (10)
-cataphractii, 1x heavy flamer, 4x power fist, 4x chainfist

Contemptor Talon
-contemptor w/ 2x kheres
-contemptor w/ 2x CCW w/heavy flamers

Medusa
-phosphex

Vindicator
- extra armour, laser array

Sicarian battle tank
-lascannon sponsons, armoured ceramite, auxiliary drive

Dumped my extra points into upgrades on the sicarian, do you think it would be better to dump those points in upgrades for my sergeants/characters?

>>50176743
>>50176755
Whoops, he's the Third Company captain.

But still, isn't part of his fluff that he's next in line to be Chapter Master?

>>50176757
Personally, I would take those extra points, drop the Veteran Tactical squad and give the Terminators a Land Raider to ride forward in.

>>50176781
It's 10 termies, they need either a Spartan or a squad reduction. Or a Caestus.

>>50176795
Apologies, I meant Spartan.
>inb4 idiot
Restrictive diet, heads a little fuzzy today.

>>50176470
Just buy a recast russ you faggot

>>50176803
Chill, I took what you said as "those termies need a transport" anyway.
Now that the Spartan us more expensive, I guess the Caestus would become a more attractive option. Say, KA, what's your experience with it?

>>50176833
Another baited-one :^)

>>50176757
Don't praetors come standard with artificer armour? So you wouldn't need to pay for it again?

>>50176892
My mistake yeah I didn't actually pay for it just wrote it by accident

So I just got around to reading the Burning of Prospero fluff. Could someone explain the canonical nature of FW's fluff? Because it contradicts the Black Library books pretty damn hard.

>>50177112
Whichever is newer is canon.

>>50177112
Its a document written in universe, a historical recount of the Heresy so that alone gives you the option that its either incorrect in some manners and thats how the events are perceived by the Imperium or that its correct and BL is fucking horrible at times.

Your choice.

>>50177135
>Its a document written in universe
Ok thanks. From what I understand it follows the old fluff pretty closely, with Magnus actually warning the Emperor and Russ being sent to kill. I just found it strange that they would blatantly ignore the BL HH series.

>>50177128
Do you think Inferno will go with the same fluff or will it follow the BL series of events?

>>50177112
It's best just to choose what you prefer for your headcanon, because between GW, BL and FW having their way with fluff the lore's concistance is real mess

>>50177174
Consistency. I meant to say the lore's consistancy.

>>50177173
I think Inferno will find a way to trigger both BLfags and FWfags alike.

>>50177201
How would the Blighnade do that?

>>50177222
The thing that would trigger me the least would be Emps ordering Russ, who is away, to get Magnus, but Horus warps/supplants the message. So, anything other than that would -1Toughness me. Also, checked.

>>50177303
I remember there was some old lore that said Leman convinced Emps that Maggie was the traitor. Leman is the most persuasive of all the Primarchs. Let that sink in.

>>50177303
Isn't that what happened?

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>>50177338
Thats from the SW index astartes entry funnily enough. These days wolffags prefer to argue they got tricked though I have no idea why. Testing their metal against another legion and their hatred of psykers is much more in character imo.

>>50177338
>Leman convinced Emps that Maggie was the traitor.

Original lore is that the Emperor ordered Russ to bring Magnus to Terra for censure but Russ convinces the Emperor that Magnus must die, so the Emperor ends up ordering Russ to kill Magnus and his legion because Russ is a bloodthirsty savage.

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>>50177338
Ok that's trigger me a lot
>>50177354
It's what I think would make sort of sense
>>50177362
So Horus dodges the bullet without even trying? The madman
>>50177222
>Inb4 this is the point the thread devolves into Prosperoposting
Told you, anon. It'll trigger at least 50%

>>50177452
How did Maggie and the whole Wolfing of Prospero get to be such a topic that causes skub? Do you think GW intended it to be like that? Just to give us something to argue about?

Are recon squads in carapace (artificier cc-sergeant) with meltabombs, ccw and cammo any good?

Jump pack units can, unlike termies, still deep strike as usualy?

If so, recon squad can be a good forward Vox-carrier.

Also; why do the plastic scouts in the land speeder storm box all look like they're all named Chad?

>>50177510
>How did Maggie and the whole Wolfing of Prospero get to be such a topic that causes skub?
Because its the only 1v1 battle in the HH.

Theres also a large bias form BL towards writing chaos Primarchs as always being chaos primarchs whilst only showing the good aspects of the loyalist primarchs.

>>50177510
Good intentions were had, stuff was done wrong and it resulted in a huge mess where Horus could only cry of laughter. No wonder it's so skubby.
>>50177525
They can infiltrate that way, and they could be carrying with them a nuncio Vox for accurate deepstriking. So you CAN make them useful. Also, Storm Eagle DT.

>>50177510
Anything triggers Space Wolf players, they're constantly spoiling to boast, whine and fight if they aren't recognised like they want to be
>just like their legion kek
Players take after their legions, it's why half of /hhg/ plays IW because we're all automata fans, beep boop

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>>50177565
Plus their Primarch is in such a jobber tier than the only fair fight would be against Mortarion. It's like having two hobos fight for a sandwich. Or dignity in this case.
Also, dat spoiler.

>>50177525
Recon squads are more points than veterans. Even more so once you start adding wargear so they're no longer tacticals with scout but no FotL. They're on the same list as destroyers, breachers, cerberus, moritats, and champions as unit that desperately needs a change or serious drop in points.

>>50177565
Bleep?! Beep boop bleep? Beep boop. Boop beep. Bleep! Bleeeeep! Boop...
>players take after their legion
I do love me some BAs and DAs but I am not a handsome artistic vampiric transhuman, nor am I brooding tree hating space knight with old school goodies. I guess liking both Angel legions balances the other out?

>>50177618
Woah, you're right. I forgot how many squads became surpassed by Vets.

>>50177630
Please note that I am eternally watchful of trees. They're planning something.

>>50177618
So, you're saying they're bad?

Also, can the sergeant take a sniper rifle?

>>50177630
Like both Angels means you're a frustrated romantic with underlying anger and trust issues.
On the plus side you're probably relatively handsome for someone that plays warhams, or at least comfortable with your appearance.

>>50177630
You fool me not, mutant Illuminati

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>>50177565
You aren't wrong.


>Modeling failures and successes
On the left I love this model, his fluidity and how everything fell into place.
The right.... well.
'HOLY SHIT A CHAINSWORD'
Should I just break apart the one on the right and start over?
>inb4 political meme about breaking up the right and starting over.

>>50177654
The sergant can't take a shotgun or sniper thanks to wording.

Recon marines are around twice the amount of points per marine as tactical marines, same or worse damage and just Scout and defensive grenades to show for it. I really, REEEEEally want to like recon squads but they're almost no way to justify including them in your list with that point cost.

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>>50177698
>Wolf
>MK 7 helmet

>>50177698
>MkVII SW head and arm
>On resin MkIII
I have no respect for you anymore.

I am having emotional issues with my army. In All my 40k Army's and even in fantasy I never use named characters. All my Army's and there generals are there own unique things. Because I am not very good at the game they never accomplish much and I don't see anyone really important ever knowing about them. But they try the best and that's what matters.

But having to pick a legion "TS" and then being part of this larger whole just kinda brakes it for me.

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>>50177698

>>50177698
Wow, been a while since I looked at unpainted FW MkIII and I may actually like the plastic ones more. Never thought I would say that but the knees looks really messed up in comparison.

To answer your question, yeah I would probably restart on the right model. You may want to heat and bend the legs a little bit, it sort of looks like he is tip toing to me and im not sure how you will make that look natural.

>>50177664
I've never really considered myself a romantic, and the only source of anger and trust issues I can think of would be myself. I really don't trust myself doing anything right, but I am getting better.
>relatively handsome
Well, golly Anon, that makes my day. I definitely look better than Fulgrim's ugly mug.

>>50177728
Have you tried not having autism?

>>50177737
Yah it's easy because I don't.

>>50177746
Lack of self-awareness. Classic symptom and always a shame to see.

>>50177698
>'HOLY SHIT A CHAINSWORD'
I think that'd be fixed by turning the head a little, I assume you were going for the "FITE ME" duel stance.
>Godwyn bolter
Don't you ask why people berate you.
>>50177710
Inferno will have that helmet just to spite us, I guarantee it

>>50177728
>Because I am not very good at the game they never accomplish much and I don't see anyone really important ever knowing about them. But they try the best and that's what matters.
You sound like a IW to be honest. Also, try learning the difference between "there" and "their"
Why does the TS break it for (You)?

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>>50177698
Ok, I will give you ONE tip for posing models : to make a pose look natural, on the side where the model's leg is placed foward, the arm should be more backwards and vica versa. This is because it is harder to keep balance if you throw all your limbs on one side fowards.
And always do the helmet/head last, so you can find the best looking direction whilst dry-fitting.

>>50177710
Also godwyn pattern bolters. That guy is going full heretic.

>>50177770
>...try learning the difference between "there" and "their"

Doing god's work, anon.

>>50177710
>>50177711
Until they make SW Legion heads, what else is there?
And it's not that far out of possibility for a SW Iron Priest to make replacement helmets that look like this.

>>50177733
Will try it out, thanks for the input.

>>50177759
Oh I never ask why people berate me, they always make it abundantly clear

>>50177775
>>50177759
About the bolter, I am not too concerned by it. There are plenty of FW pictures with different legions using Godwyn bolters, and it has some small SW specific decorations. I am not outfiting my entire army with them, only loosely spreading them out to help break up the MkIII monotony

>>50177784
Kek, I had to read it like three times to make sense of it. I hope he doesn't use artillary to cover his infantery as well, get it?

>>50177733
Huh, we have the opposite opinion then. I much prefer the resin ones, but mostly for the helmets.

>>50177728
That's okay anon. So long as you can have fun with the modelling aspect and lore of the game, I think we'll get along fine.

Besides, at least you can play games! I envy you for that, as well as your dedication to Your Dudes.

Besides, I think about loyalist Mechanicum, and the crazy amount of customization you can have for your characters and certain units. And that really helps towards making unique characters that I can think up a little lore for by just randomly picking and chosing things, or giving them things that'll synergize well together.

For example, a Magos with Rad Grenades, an Irradiation Engine, and an Irad-Cleanser might be specialised against fighting extremely durable xenos with poor armor, so the rad-weaponry making them weaker is simply a use of efficiency. Or perhaps he derived a sick pleasure from using horrifying weaponry on his enemies, and saw the Horus Heresy as a chance to test them on the greatest warriors man had to offer?

Anyone else do stuff like that? Especially when bored?

>>50177728
>there
>brakes
Fun.

>and then being part of this larger whole just kinda brakes it for me.
Why? TS were a very autonomous legion with Magnus letting them mostly get along with whatever they wanted. Your guys can be however you want them to be.

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>>50177805

>>50177770
No being part of a larger legion brakes it. I picked TS because I enjoy there lore the most.
Also good point on the there their nonsense. Autocorrect has made many lazy myself included.

>>50177805
Literally anything else. Bare space wolf heads. veteran IF heads like FW used. Just normal MK3 heads

>>50177813
I really think the resin ones look better in most ways, however for some reason the knees just trigger every level of my Autism.

The FW kneepads stick out way too much, even the band that runs around the back of the knee. Makes it look like they all have giant wrestling belts/bucklers on their knees. the plastic ones seem to have a larger "circle" part and they don't stick out as much, so it looks like a more integrated part of the armor to me.

>>50177805
Bare heads.

Regular MkIII heads.

Not really, since the closest thing to the MkVII helm was the Sarum pattern MkV helm which was mostly exclusive to the WE, with the SoH having a similar/same helm.

>>50177832
Fucking hell i still fucked up "their"

>>50177850
That's because the circle on them is a reinforced MkII kneepad. MkIII is just MkII with extra armor bolted on.

You can really notice this by having a couple of the models side by side.

>>50177862
Is English your second language, or just lazy?

>>50177862
It is okay anon. You just showed signs of improvement so you get a pass. This time.

Everybody gets one.

>>50177832
>>50177862
And brakes again.

>all these people responding to the absolute cancerous fuckup

And I don't mean the guy who can't type and may or may not have English as their first language.

>>50177872
I understand the origin, I just don't like that specific part of the aesthetics.

Besides, it's not like they needed additional visual queues when the back of the models has clear MKII plates.

>>50177862
>>50177872
>>50177873
>>50177880
Still cracks me up a bit
>>50177832
I'm still not understanding you. Why is being part of a larger legion upstetting you? The Great Crusade is huge and after Gate 42 the Raven guard is the smalles legion, for a while at least, and even then they had 80 000 marines. You don't know 80 000 people by name.

>>50177872
Lazy. When you can just mash a keyboard and the words just appear I just go with the flow and hit post. I should read my posts before posting.

>>50177873
I am going to go back to the lurking now. Mostly because I am waiting on orders and tools to arrive.

>>50177872
I actually like how the Plastic MkIII legs look compared to the Resin ones.
I am also excited to see how GW handles MkII.

>>50177914
I hope they make ALL teh helmets tge glorious one-piece visor, and don't change their berfect aesthetic.

Bls no hurt waifu, GW.

>t. Goncerned Tech-Briest

>>50177901
>after Gate 42 the Raven guard is the smalles legion
Explain.

Thousand Sons had around 10,000 marines at the time of the HH.

>>50177832
Then... do Blackshields. They don't have to be black.

>>50177914
I would be totally fine if they looked the same. Whenever MKII legs are messed with I always worry about it looking like the Michelin Marines

>>50177901
It's not upsetting, I just feel a bit detached. It makes it feel less like my little force and more like I am beholden to the lore.
But things like what you just said make sense.

>>50177961
It hurts to see that, but it also makes me laugh at how stupid someone has to be to mess up banded armor.

>>50177940
I dunno, I like both versions of the helmet. I just hope they don't go full retard with the helmet, they were a hairs breadth away from ruining the plastic MkIII helmet, and basically killed the MkIV when comparing both to the Resin.

>>50177947
So says HH3. Whether you believe it or not, or the full circumstances of it, is up to (You).
>>50177972
I try. (You) see, most of the lore is unwritten and unrecorded. Your Dudes' Adventures - the chronicles. No one will protest, except for that guy who demanded a BL novel in order to fight UM vs WS.

>>50177947
This was changed back in 2010. 10,000 is now the number that made it to the Planet of the Sorcerers.

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>>50178013
Aaaand I forget my pic.
>tfw I've been the designated lore-quoter man since a long time now.

>>50178023
>This was changed back in 2010
A thousand Sons has 1200ish marines surviving on the planet of sorcerers. Ahriman says that that is 1/10 of the legion. This is also backed up in that silly book with khan is on Prospero. So wheres your source?

>>50178028
Interdsasting. Salamders and Space Wolves were already about that size so really that seems odd. Really odd.

>>50178047
The hardback version of A Thousand Sons. Th expanded legion sizes was decided in meetings in 2010, but it wasn't until the later books and the hardbacks that they started to apply those changes.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR DUDES OR YOU WILL BE CURSED TO ROLL 1S FOR EVERY SIEZE THE INITIATIVE ROLL FOR THE REST OF THE YEEEEAAAARRRR!

>>50178094
Nobody likes my models but me and the one WE player.
Even then I am pretty sure he is one of the people saying I need to re-do one third of my shown models for this thread.

>>50178067
>The hardback version of A Thousand Sons.
I went and checked. A Thousand Sons states that 1242 TS survived Prospero not inducing those of planet.

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>>50178094
An Archmagos Dominus that joined the Warmaster's side in the Heresy, as he had wished to go further than even the Scyllax Guardian Automata, and instill intelligence in his creations he called his 'Children', as he believed that only they would ever possibly be able to keep up with his genius and be able to challenge him in intellectual contests. And with him being more machine than man at this point, it was all too likely that he wished to study them as well, and improve his admitted 'limited' knowledge of them, and improve himself as well.

After all, man is nothing compared to the machine he tends for, yes? So why not become a glorious machine himself, with man tending to him?

>>50178149
Anons of HHG, could you help be find the alternate version of this pic which has Magnus shooting some witchfire from his hand doing the horns? Or at least Alpharius in MkIII :'(((

>>50178143
Talon of Horus also uses this number.

>>50178149
One of the better books of the whole HH series, defo worth the read

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>>50178178
>he had wished to go further than even the Scyllax Guardian Automata
That's pretty fucking far, anon. As in, Payton-Manning-kicking-deflated-balls far.
>>50178094
I love destroyers. The Reductor, the Iron Warriors, the Death Guard. Even the Dark Angel's Dreadwing and the Ashen Circle. And the Pyroclasts...
Damn, Destroyers!

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>>50178178
I meant Tom Brady. I always swap those guys' names. Still, that's way fucking far, anon!

>>50178094
But in short, Vikings- in SPAAAAACE!
With some completely bullshit organization, retarded modeling and a reforming fatass imposing his idealized view of himself and his ancestors on them

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>>50177775
From Book 2.

>>50178222
I see Ruststalkers, Recast Draykavac, and I don't know the tail.

I like them a lot.

>>50178266
>Something I thought I would never say on here again
Thank you anon

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>>50178260
I am of the most forgiving magos...

but standards must be maintained!

Everything will have servo-automata/skulls on them for 'heads'. Draykavac, human, etc. They're not mere machines now, are they? No. they are more than this! They are not mere animals, are they? No! They are more than this, too! They are blessed creations of which have been blessed with thought by our blessed Omnissiah himself! Blessed is he and his ways! Blessed are the holy creatures which I have made in the Omnissiah's name! Blessed am I for my knowledge that I alone shall hold!

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>>50178094

A crusade/household of Imperial Fists with a specialty in scorched earth who got sent into pseudo-exile during the early-mid GC because of their unseemly dabbling in mysticism and techno-esotericism feat. some unorthodox Storm Walker friends

They return from the western Segmentum Pacificus to find the Imperium devouring itself, and promptly go a bit nuts because they belatedly received a call from the Legion to defend Terra and have no idea if it still stands. They RIP and TEAR to fill that void.

[Blackshields with Death-Seekers/Chymeria #3]

>>50176424
Which is the better choice for a Veteran-heavy EC list? Primarch's Chosen or Pride of the Legion?

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>>50178324
I feel like the contents of that pic could be applied even to loyalist Magos.

AdMech/Mechanicum are messed up like that. AdMech/DarkMech doesn't matter, they're both the true embodiments of the Grim Darkness of the 41st/31st Millenia.

Prove me wong.
Pro tip: You can't.

>>50178324
>++when_will_the_Omnissia_stop_your_heretek_servoarm.STCdatalog++

>>50178346
post pics of them pls

>>50177989
About the same amount of stupidity needed to put a MkVII helmet on a MkIII Marine.

>>50178363
Duh. They're shock troopers, anon. Barely above thralls, it's different! They're like Robocop, signed a waiver and all that. No Abominable Intelligence there, which is the wet dreams of them Cybernetica magi.

>>50178149
A Thousand Sons and Burning of Prospero are two of the best books in the HH and complement each other very well.

>>50178265
>"muh ancestors"
>"muh heathen"
>looks like an inbred amerifat

KEK

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>>50178412
It's your fault my sides have been sundered.

>>50178459

Any post relating to AWG is pretty much guaranteed Sidesbane, Side Hunters at the absolute minimum.

>>50178067
Holy fuck this sent me down a rabbit hole I wasnt expecting. A Thousand Sons has been retconned to hell and back.

Lourie Goulding got a hold of the fluff and totally fucked everything up hard.

Prospero happens two years before Istavan 3 now. Makes things weird but ok. However here's the shocker TS have 80,000 marines now with only 10,000 on Prospero. That means when all is said and done Magnus only lost 9,000 marines to the SW who lost around 50,000 marines and most of the SoS and Custodes. Wtf?

This now means that the Sons barely got hurt by the BoP numbers wise.

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>>50178493
>Adding -bane/-hunters to random words
I'm using this from now on.

>I'm from California but I identify as one of the Dutch Germanic Norse peoples and I treat entire other cultures, countries and cherry-picked romanticized aspects of their histories as quaint comic booky backdrops to my fantasies and insecurities, here, let me tell you how my Norse ancestors from 1400 years ago have shaped my personality, I'm so typically Varagian lol

>>50178513
>However here's the shocker TS have 80,000 marines now with only 10,000 on Prospero. That means when all is said and done Magnus only lost 9,000 marines to the SW who lost around 50,000 marines and most of the SoS and Custodes. Wtf?
Let's not get over our heads, we can't simply make numbers just yet. Inferno will answer that, be patient.

>>50178523
Man, I hate those people.

I really, really, really hate those people.

I really, really, really hate California.

>tfw haven't moved yet because I'd miss the rest of my family
I really should.

>>50178523
So many flavors you could choose...
Raising mental firewalls back on. Is this what being a psyker feels like, HHG? Drop your guard a single second and shitposting tries to enter the material world¡

>>50178513
Nah, Prospero happens the same year as I-to-the-Triple.
Unless he's changed it *again*.

Their numbers are totally fucked though, they should've just left them as the smallest legion when they fixed the legion size thing instead of allowing that RG wankery to stand. I like the RG, but TS as a tiny but powerful force worked better in every way.
Plus it fucks the whole a thousand of the Thousand Sons thing that happens like 3 times

>>50178531
>Let's not get over our heads
Perhaps I am but follow my logic.

TS must have at least 80,000 marines now to be above the RG. The book itself states the numbers on Prospero as around 10,000. SW's have around 100,000 to 120,000 as one of the larger legions. The SW have larger then expects loses with Russ commenting that Prospero cracked his legion.

After Prospero there are more TS then SW. This is so retarded.

>>50178558
>Unless he's changed it *again*.
This is waht I'm saying he has. And it's right fucked everything up.

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>>50178570
Maybe we should ignore that RG bit and then numbers start to make sense.
If a legion with only 10 000 marines makes sense to begin with, that is.
If I don't see Blood Raven references in Inferno, like Revuel Arvida or something like that, I'm going nuclear, however.

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>>50178596
>If a legion with only 10 000 marines makes sense to begin with, that is.
Goulding edited the hardback of the Thousand Sons novel to reflect the RG being the smallest legion Anon.

Im guessing in their eyes after the Magnus fixed the geneseed problems the TS recruited just fine.

>>50178570
Where'd it get changed this time, and for why? So dumb, I mean they put out a fucking graphic of the timeline ffs.
>>50178596
Expect something really fucking tiny. Laurie hates that connection but Bly likes to cater to pretty much every theory there's ever been about a legion, so there'll be something. Even if it's only the word magpie used in their section.

>>50178618
We'll see, we'll see. Only six months more
:^)
>>50178622
I seriously don't remember why I hate Laurie, only that I do.

>>50178545
cheer up bako bro.

>>50178650
He meddles with things that don't really need it so suit his autism and so damages some of the (admittedly fairly weak) literary devices in the novels.
And if you catch him out in being wrong or he even accidentally fucks up he goes back over everything he said to find a grammatical out that lets him go lel I trold u.
He also has pretended that certain stuff was intended to happen from the beginning of the HH 25 years ago or whatever, which aside from being total obvious bullshit, people like Tony Cottrell have actually said is bollocks.

On the other hand, he has tightened things up a bit after a long period of Nick Kyme and Christian Dunn publishing anything at all in as many ways as possible in order to rip people off as much as they could.

>>50178545

A cheap, crappy house costs $700,000 in California, so i wouldn't bother. You could buy a mansion in another state.

>>50178519

Preferred Enemy (Sides)

>>50178659
Not that anon, what's a bako? I thought California was like a reverse Texas

>>50178700
Entropic Kek

>there are between 40 and 70 thousand Thousand Sons out in the galaxy when Prospero gets wrecked
>they have no idea what happened
>no one felt anything through the For- i mean the Great Ocean
>no one ever phoned up Crusade Command and asked for instruction as they couldn't get through to Magnus
>Russ and the SW were only tasked with killing the TS on Prospero, nobody really thought about the 80-90% of them he wouldn't get
>Only one ten man squad ever went back to see what was up with no-one picking up the space phone back home

FW are gonna have to come up with some actual wizardy to make this better.

>>50178749
>actual wizardy
>the thousands sons are wizards
wizards will be wizards anon, they dont have to explain anything.

>>50178702
he's from bakersfield. california's a big place, there's a lot of everything there, including some more texas-esque country(read:poor)folk out in the center between San Francisco and LA.

>>50178570
If we take 70,000 as their numbers after Prospero then estimate them losing 10,000 more over the heresy to the flesh change and fighting. Then with around 1/10 being psykers that means after the Rubric there are around 6,000 TS sorcerers and around 54,000 Rubric marines.

Thousand Sons confirmed surviving the Horus Heresy better then most?

>>50178795
>Unit composition: One anon
>Unit type: Jump to conclusions Infantry

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>>50178770
>tfw no FLGS here either
>No GW within 90 miles
Screw it whenI move, and there's a GW/FLGS with a good 30/40k presence, and they disallowed FW, it'd at least force me to start up the 40k AdMech I've always wanted to do.

I shouldn't have bought the IG Start Collecting box simply because it looked easier to paint/build and because they're my second favorite 40k army. At least I learned a lot from the box though!

>>50178795
A tenth of the TS legion now apparently fucked up the majority of the SW legion plus hundreds-strong detachments of the Custodes and Sisters and a company of SoH so hard that the Space Wolves sat on their arses for 4 years wondering what the hell just happened.

TS are new secret OP

>>50178821
This story gets worse and worse for Space Wolves, at first it was two legions fighting and mauling each other, then it was the wolves fighting only a part of the legion and now its space wolves plus friends fighting a tenth of a legion that wrecks their ass so hard they have to fall back to Fenris and regroup.

>>50178843
>Even Mortarion has more dignity than the whole of the SW, save maybe a few fell-handed people.

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>>50178843
>Implying the dogs don't deserve it

>Tzeentch spends over 200 years making an elaborate Just-As-Planned scheme in order to remove both the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons legions from the board
>He forgets to include the 80% of the TS not on Prospero

Laurie really didn't think all of this through.

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>>50178795

>tfw only one legion ended the heresy with more marines than it started

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>>50178907
>Implying he thought about this at all
Jesus this guy.

>>50178094
The gardens of Tranquility had already been destroyed, readied in preparation for the traitor assault. Where there had once been gardens of flowers from a hundred thousand worlds, there was now only earthworks, trenches, ferrocrete pillboxes with enfilading fields of fire, and Imperial Fists of the 201st Line Company with bolters in hand. Their fire raked the advancing horde of cultists, Imperial Army renegades, and their once-brother marines but for every traitor to fall another two seem to take his place.

They had retreated from prepared position to prepared positions, detonating booby-traps to deny the enemy any defenses, but now their backs were literally to the wall. A final redoubt in Tranquility. The battle-brothers made their peace with Emperor and Primarch, Company and Captain and were ready to sell their lives dearly. With the Proximal and Distal Gates leading to and from Tranquility captured by the Warmaster's forces, there could be no other conclusion to their battle.

>>50178981
He is not ready to die yet. The marine in dirty yellow lunges to the side, dodging a sweep of the World Eater's axe and reaching for a his fallen sword. Brother Alberich's right hand is still grasping the hilt of the buzzing chainsword as he hurriedly attempts to pry the ceramite glove free with his left hand and the already-clotted stump of his right. The World Eater's first swing had taken the hand, and his third swing was a contemptuous executioner's chop coming to claim his head. The smell of ozone and a cavalcade of combi-bolter fire that pulps the berserk traitor delays his death for another few minutes.

The Imperial Fists form a spear. The remnants of the 201st are the haft and the Terminator elite of the 3rd are the tip. They throw themselves out of the last bastion in Tranquility, mowing a bloody path through the ruins of the hanging gardens, smashing the reserve forces of cultists left to hold Proximal Gate, and then joining up with the remainder of the 3rd holding a long hallway that will come to be known as the Hall of Denial.

So has the fluff from BoP been released yet? I'm anxious to know just how different the telling will be this time.

>you are now aware that 70,000 of the Blood Angels at Terra were in fact Thousand Sons with some quick stencil jobs on their shoulder guards

You didn't really think the few loyalist Librarians there would be able to hold off all that Chaos did you?

>>50178985
Ancient Lothar's vox has been damaged. Despite being the most senior of the remaining marines, he can no longer issue orders from his sarcophagus so command has fallen to another. Lothar is filled with an anger that suffuses his actions from the beat of his hearts to the clatter of his weapon mounts as he rends traitor marines apart with his bare hands. He has no way to tell the World Eaters how much he hates them as another reckless charge into the Hall is stymied. He can only repeat his final battle cry. “I deny you Terra. I deny you your lives.” Again and again as each charge breaks upon their defences.

>>50179023
it was scanned in high quality like the day of release, wasn't it

>>50178985
>He is not ready to die yet, arms are heavy
>There's geneseed on his armour already: Dorn's spaghetti

Hay so where should I be aiming for points. I have seen 1850, 2000, 2500 posted. And it looks like 2500 is the smallest list I can make that has everything I want in it.

>>50179057
I guess you just answered your own question. A truly take-on-all-corners list is a myth, so focus on what you want instead.

>>50179023
Is there any thing in particular you want to know/see?

>>50179057
2k is a good initial goal to aim for.

>>50179057
You can start smaller with some Zone Mortalis. 500 and 1000 points. I mean you're going to put something in those Elite and Troops slots anyway.

>>50179057

2500 is the average 30k points level.

am I missing something or is there no reason to take a fellblade over a falchion?

>>50179072
I'd like all the fluff concerning the TSons and the Wolves. Not to mention the actual Burning, if you've got it.

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>>50179186
Im not gonna post the whole thing. Heres the fluff for the set up.

desu

>>50179114
Lame

>>50179122
YAY!!

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>>50179186
>>50179228
If you want it all go search the old /HHG/.

When did sons of horus officially turn to black armour? Was it limited to just first company during siege of terra and then the rest followed suit after Horus died for emo reasons?

Legio cybernetica

Hq:
Magos, machinator, abeyant, Melta bombs 130pts
Magos, machinator, abeyant 125pts

Troops:
5 castellax with targetters and darkfire 700pts
5 castellax with targetters and darkfire 700pts
9 thallax, 3 multilasers 390pts
9 thallax, 3 multilasers 390pts

Fast:
3 vorax with rad rounds 225pts
1 avenger with missile launchers 170pts
1 avenger with missile launchers 170pts

3000pts

>>50179147
The Fellblade is better against 3+ infantry (massive blast vs large)

>>50179266

Sons of Horus were never in black armor except for their elites. The Black Legion wore all black after Abaddon reunited them after the long period of the Scouring and they were finally hunted down less often. He wanted to get rid of the past so he renamed them and removed the green color.

>>50179057
If you're playing mostly other Legions, don't focus as much on TOAC list, instead pick something to be your focus. Build a thematic force based around one style of fighting or one bit of synergy.

Unless your goal is to model a bunch of different stuff because it's fun and looks good.

>>50179067
>>50179114
>>50179298

Why the fuck are you retards talking about random ass shit like army composition when all he asked about was point brackets?

"Hey guys, what's the usual speed limit in this neighborhood?"

"WELL I'M A CAMARO GUY BUT JIMMY HEAH IS MORE UVA WRANGLA MAN"

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>>50179309

>>50179298
Rule of cool I only have models I love want to build and paint. Is it actually good? Well after I think about it and hammer out some details I will post it and it will be judged. I am hoping for a middle ground in power level.

Thanks everyone I feel like I am on target now.

>>50179309
Here's your (You).

>>50179332
>>50179347
Found the retards

just got my two prospero boxes today, was tossing around the idea of using outriders for my world eaters but now that I see the mk3 marine in all its fucking glory I'm considering just taking MORE MARINES, how would you equip a "blob" in a 2500 list? 15 marines, vexilla, sgt with AA, and then add an apothecary with augury scanner? that's about what I came up with. sure it's only got a 5+ FNP and it isn't very mobile, but I've got 60 fucking mk3 marines from the boxes and I need to use those suckers.

>>50178094
WE: Part of the Shadow Crusade, the complement of troops from a lesser ship in the WE armada. Strong preference for fighting ship-to-ship and in dense terrain, and relying (when not lost to the Nails) on bolter as much as blade to carry the day. Most of the troops are recent inductees, taken in after the Dropsite Massacre. The Shadow Crusade is, for many, their first action as Space Marines. Only their dreadnought, a former Centurion, has ever worn War Hounds colours, and never had the Nails implanted.

IW: An assault echelon formed on Perturabo's orders from men who got on his bad side but not sufficiently to get decimated. The Legion's Warsmiths use it as a dumping ground for political opponents and dissidents from the ranks. Always drawing the worst assignments (forlorn hope assaults, rearguard, bait), they embody the bitter stubborness of their Legion in never giving up.

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Slow progress being made.

>>50178094
Praetor Methuselah is a veteran of the Terran Compliance and lost his left arm in combat against the Thunder Warriors. He favors strike teams of highly skilled veterans.

Chaplain Hezekiah was a knight of The Order in the days when Primarch wasn't part of the Calibanite lexicon. The troops think of him akin to a beloved mascot. Doesn't like forests.

Together they smite the Emperor's foes.

>>50178094
Imperial Fist delegatus tasked with gathering legion personnel thats spread across the galaxy and bring them back to Terra.

>>50178094
Working on space wolves now that They'll finally get rules.

>>50178094
Rag-tag bunch of iron hands+legio cybernetica, who were tasked with defending a forge world under attack by traitor forces, most notably Night Lords and Sons of Horus, in a decidedly losing battle. after taking significant losses, the archmagos convinced the hand's commander that it would be better to escape with the most crucial information and automata on the world and exist to fight again.with most of their ground forces extracted. they launched a final goodbye bombardment upon the main manufactorum where the IH second in command had refused to retreat, incinerating both large swathes of traitors and their own ragged survivors, as well as the main objective of the traitors.
large proportion of veterans as well as medusan immortals as many felt they had failed their brothers by retreating, and decided they needed to pay their penance in fire and blood

>>50179035
No, just Sanguinius himself.

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>>50178094
Numerous adhoc elements of the RG and XIX Terran Predation fleets join forces to [[MAXIMIZE CASUALTIES]] against traitor fleets.

>>50179868
ye gods, the punctuation in this post is atrocious, i'm ashamed of myself

This might not be the place but is there anywhere I can get the Razing of Prospero Omnibus?

>>50179877
>chopping up an IMS

Get a load of Richie McRich over here.

>>50178346
Sexy
I've always wondered how Blackshields do on the tabletop

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>Work on my Word Bearers army
>Come back and Trump has won

feels good man. My faith in the Primordial Truth paid off. Also a mostly painted Mastodon.

Why does the artist in charge of primarchs always make them look like bruce jenner screaming while shitting his pants

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>>50180103
Because one of them literally is Bruce Jenner

>>50180089
>Word bearers Mastodon

pics?

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>>50178094
NOT ON MY WATCH

My Dudes' company was formed shortly after Angron taking command of the Legion, and cut their teeth on the battlefields of Sarum, and the rest of the Golgotha sector. They remained enthusiastically loyal to Angron's cause throughout the Heresy, and maintained close ties to the Crimson Priests of Sarum. Noted combat tendencies include armoured shock assault, and the employment of ranged combat in combat arms maneuvers.

>>50180247
*combined

Fuck.

>>50176470
Ruff, Ruff, Ruff.

>>50178094
My dice rolls are always trash anyhow, you can't scare me. just as planned

can you run daemons as a primary detachment and then take a traitor legion as an allied detachment? or is it just word bearers? only ever word bearers? will always be word bearers?

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>>50180354
Cross-thread link above goes back to previous picture, which doesn't have any washes applied to it. Anyways, progress on the Chaplain continues!

>>50180382
Only WB.

>>50180389
Yellow plasma pistol glow, or Yellow primer showing through?

>I would love to see Yellow Plasma, and it's glow effects

>>50178094
Imperial Fist Company that was supposed to be resupplying a series of systems finds the whole thing fucked to seven hells and in full civil war. Eventually discovering that it's the big kickoff to the Heresy, they instead get tasked to end the sector rebellion and move to the surrounding areas to check on things and kill any motherfucker that dares defy papa Emps.

>>50178094

45th Assault Company of the World Eaters Legion -
Bat-shit run of the mill, company of World Eaters who are notorious throughout the legion for team killing and being overall reckless fucks. They lost over 75% of their strength during the Dropsite Massacre, so they are having to control their unfettered RAGE and also regain their losses.

As of the moment I am coming up with character names, weapon names, and more fluff with them. C&C needed.

>>50180436
That part is just unpainted sorry. I'm not sure how I'd go about making yellow plasma really glow. Like with blue I go from Prussian Blue to a highlight of Electric Blue to a highlight of White Scar and then glaze the entire thing with Guilliman Blue.

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>>50180041
For you.

>>50180469
You'd want to have the crevices be a fiery orange, and highlight the edges with white. Basically, follow Duncan's tutorial, but use Troll Slayer and Flash Gitz instead of whatever blue he uses.

That being said, you really should use a colour that contrasts with your Fists, but that's just personal opinion.

>>50180469
It fine man, I just wasn't sure.
The model looks fantastic, better than 99% of the others on here.
It actually makes that specific plastic model look good which is..... really hard to do.

>>50180041
his name isn't Richy McRich, it's Nusquam.

Hey Nusquam I follow you.

>>50180507
Hey, thanks man

Are people more sensitive about proxies in 30k than 40k?

Im one of the people that sculpts and casts their own models and I was wondering how people would react to unconventional Mechanicum figures.
Ive rarely had a problem in 40k making many armies and taking them to multiple tourneys with only a few people getting upset

>>50179389
do like that anon posted about earlier
6x20 marines, extra ccws, articifers, fists
6 apotecharies.

commence fucking up of pleb tank players.

>>50180930
I think Mechanicum is one of the few armies you can run that allow heavy customization. It doesn't have most of its models, IIRC, so as long as they look awesome, go for it, I think.

>>50180930
>sculpts and casts their own models
If youre going that far so long as theyre proportionate no way would anyone get salty. Those that did are just jealous.

>>50180930

If people were getting upset then it's probably because your sculpts were garbage.

>>50180930

Only autist faggots get upset. It is a hobby of modelling your own miniatures for Christ's sake! GO converting or go home.

Or >>50180965

>>50180965
Nah, it was tournament fags with the whole "modelling for advantage" spiel that the give

>>50180937
I just don't have the energy to move that many models in a game. moving 120 marines every few minutes?? that sounds like some kinda sick and twisted crossfit workout.

>>50181012
Dont worry, the second time you move them will be back the last time as your putting them into your army carrier after the get deleted by the plethora of low AP pie plates.

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>>50178094
> Headhunter Leviathal Strike Team in Drop Pods backing up the Solar Auxilia
> Lead by Exodus, fluff that Exodus is literally Omegon
> considered modeling him with a bionic arm, but remembered that true loyalists don't suffer from phantom pains

>>50179389
A million chainaxes, obviously.

>>50181012
movement trays m8

>>50181004

Oh, that's not really a problem with your custom sculpts then, they are just grasping at any straw they can to try to disqualify you and get free easy points. Don't worry about it if that's the case.

>>50180247
noice

>>50178149
>Occult psykers having spirit avatars and seeing warp energy as technicolor wind
>Mortals cant even comprehend Magnus's true form, begin screaming and retching

What the fuck is even going on

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>>50178094
A Lernaean attack formation, with obscured legion heraldry and clad in black steel. Designed to tear the heart out of the opponents forces suddenly and brutally.

>>50181270
those thicc thighs are tearing my heart out that I'll never have him as little spoon.

>>50178094
14 Household of the Imperial Fists lead by Lord Castellan Godwin Rachus, the Hart of Dorn.
Currently I have just about finished the 413th company, whose captain I need to name.

1d4chan tactica mentions that Cortex controller allows un-augmented Thallax to be taken as Heavy support.
Looking in the rule book there is no mention of un-augmented Thallax. Where is this rubbish that I can't find? Or is 1d4chan just 1d4chan as usual?

>>50181451
Mechanicum Taghmata Red Book. Means you can't upgrade Thallax with the special rules in the box.

>>50181473

I don't follow. Reading the Thallax page in the Thagmata book, there is only a mention of augments better serving the ordo Reductor, and is this sentence that decides that they must be un-augmented?

And is the weapon choices affected as well?

So I'm trying to figure out how to best fix the Moritat. As is he is just not worth the points. Dual serpentas only net you 3 dead marines and then you can't charge. At which point you die from being a lone or prevent your unit from charging.

Dual Plasma you may kill ~3 but then can't charge etc.

One of each technically means you can roll up the serpenta a bunch first, but it's still not amazing and it's just taking hits away from your plasma.

Bolts not worth it. Sure as IF you get to reroll and hit again on a 6, but lets be real. It's bolt pistols.

The first incarnation of Chain Fire was OP, you could go above 12 hits and easily wipe a squad a turn. Then Chainfire Overheat made Moritats terrible. THEN the max of 12 hits made them the worst consul/HQ in the game next to the loyalist herald.

So what if one of the following were in place:

Chainfire just becomes 2d6 shots and still overheated on a 1 or 2 with plasma. Average is 7 shots and ~6 hits with ~2 Overheats. Then even if you roll max you shots on average you take 4 wounds.

Or a more simple route is that overheat doesn't stop the shooting but just adds overheat wounds. So you keep firing on a 2+ but take a wound on it. Still a max of 12 hits.

Or perhaps a complete overhaul. Choice of 1d6 or 2d6 shots. 1d6 lets you charge still, 1d6 prevents you and gets hot on a 1 or 2.

Maybe even remove artificer armor as an option since Lone Killer/Destroyer Corps and all that?

>>50181735
>1d6 prevents you and gets hot on a 1 or 2
2d6* fuck its late

>>50178094
DG mechanised Shock Troops

Fucking shells and phosphex and loads of dakka wrecking your transports pinning your flimsy dudes down whilst rhinos close in and Terminators in Land Raiders suddenly hitting your dudes and killing your heavy infantry

>>50181735
Know what I just thought about? Is there no real difference of taking one plasma pistol or two now that there's a hard limit of 12 and one overheat stops both? You could take one plasma pistol and still chainfire it. No matter what you max out at 12.

Previously with no limit it just meant that if one missed you could keep going with the other. But is rolling two shots at a time is now identical to rolling one pistol twice? I guess theres a chance, for example, that if you had one pistol you could roll 3, 3, 2 but with two you could have rolled 3/3, 2/3 and gotten an additional hit? Then again there's nothing else to buy for him. You could save the 15 points but youre still not charging afterwords, can only attach to destoyers and a Forgelord can take rad grenades and bikes,better melee etc.

Man the Moritat needs an overhaul.

>>50178094
Fatalist Iron Hands, running with Storm Walker tactics of columns of slow moving fire with mechanized support encircling with insane amount of firepower.

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>>50178094
Shattered legion comprising of WS, BA and TS.

WS comprise of a brotherhood specialising in assassinations and raids on alien empires, make up most of the forces of the SL and are uncertain where their loyalties lie as they are unable to contact the main bulkof the legion forces

TS are a small but influential portion of the SL, deployed alongside WS after ullanor to their latest campaign to help free humans from the control of psychic aliens on the fringes of known space. Want to return to prospero to see if the rumours of it being razed are true, and if they were to find out they would demand that they take up with the warmaster.

BA are veterans who were headed for signus but became lost on warp tides. Believing the rest of the legion to be dead or missing they are determined to undermine the warmaster as much as possible. Loyal entirely to terra.

Basically, a bunch of legions who are only loosely held together as it's safer for them to stick together as none of them know whats happened to their legion

Fluff is that eventually the TS find out the truth and there's a little civil war. The WS side with the BA in the end and they go full purge mode on the TS, as the TS start to get possessed and be completely flesh changed.

After they purge the TS they make one last stab at getting to Terra through the warpstorms, and manage to make it back in time for the siege.

>>50178094
An Admech combined force with Vorax, Castellax and a couple of Vulturax backed by Reductor artillery and Thralls. They travel with a company of Death Guard who make a point of hiding behind the Reductor armour to close the distance to the enemy. The Reductor auxilia are rather annoyed at finding 5 terminators with scythes hiding in their traditional spot.

>>50179877
Hey Nusquam

I like the moritat but mkIII with a jump pack?

Speaking of the Reductor, can you kit out artillery tanks for an assault role? I was thinking demolisher cannon, siege plating+ machine spirit allows me to move 12"and then fire the Cannon.
Weak side+back Armor, but have 2 next to each other and flank them with Triaros or Land raiders, and stick some Cyber-Occularis on the other artillery behind them and they should be safe enough.
Was thinking of a Reductor "Armoured Spearhead" with a whole bunch of artillery and Krios with IWND supported by a couple Thallax units deepstriking with multimelta, as well as a Triaros with a Magos Archimandrite and some Grav-myrmidons in it.

>>50181735
>At which point you die from being a lone or prevent your unit from charging.
If only the one unit he is able to join had the counter-attack special rule or something.

>>50181951
It's a really good jump pack.

No really though,

There's old fluff from Deathwatch about Raven Pattern jump packs that have double the jump capacity. Then The Dark Fury packs are specially designed and silent. So it's somewhere in there.

Plus I got ahead of myself and let rule of cool take over.

>>50181990
Funny, but that means you have to survive another shooting phase too. One that is probably going to kill them all because no one is going to let that live.

Is the FW Cohort Cybernetica bundle worth the £280 to start my first 30k army? It looks cool aesthetics-wise and I'm looking to get myself something nice for Xmas, but it's on the edge of my price range and I wouldn't want to buy it if I'm going to get a bunch of useless units.
My LGS has players who run Ultramarines. World Eaters, Death Guard, Iron Hands and unspecified green-basecoated marines along with Konrad Curse.
I think that would be the extent of my Cybernetica force alongside a Vulturax, and then maybe go Reductor because explosions, but probably stick with just the bundle for a few months.

>>50182354
It gives you a force of about 1500 points with upgrades, if you run anarchis 'i eat primarchs for breakfast' scoria as your magos. If you're planning on going reductor, its not worth it at all, since you want tanks and artillery, not robutts.

>>50179796
Nice, but a little too clean

>>50182384
I saw plenty of Primarchs while playing regular 40k there, so having a counter to them would help. How stompy is he, and would proxying him as a regular Magos model cause RAGE if I dont have the official mini?
Planning on going Cybernetica and Reductor, and allying them to back my smashy robots and squishy tarpits up with some BOOM.
I assume the block of "Thralls" I saw watching batreps were expendable, seeing as the guy threw them at Horus without much of a thought.

Also I have a few sources for cool guns and a couple spare Chimera, so I thought id convert some artillery for myself.

>>50182388
They're DG, Anon. Dirtying up their armor is the first thing they have to do after they get it clean.

>>50182494
Scoria eats everyone except Horus without difficulty, and its something like 54/46 for Horus. There is no official mini for Scoria, but most people are kitbashing or converting something imposing enough to be second from the top head nerd of the Darkmech. With Mechanicum, it pays to specialise, even with allies you'll be less than a correctly built reductor or cybernetica list. Cybernetica has piles of robots, but it lacks in scoring units, so the Thralls or Thallax are essentially required unless you intend on tabling your opponent every match. The thing with primarchs is that most of them are either strong enough to punch your robots out or they have some manner of instant death available to them, so in my experience its good to have Scoria in order to neuter the worst of that threat. Not that it works against that stinky teleporting fuck morty.

>>50182569
Wait, thallax score?
>checks
Well, now I just feel silly.

>>50182626
Only robbits proper dont score. Thallax have brains and nervous systems of living things. Whereabouts Scyllax fit into this servitor/robot thing is debatable, if you're a filthy heretekal buffoon

I have a but of a dilemma. I have both IW and WE armies and got my first land raider (phobos). I feel like painting it as IW, but WE needs it more. Which one to go? Or can they use each others transports?

How are BoP Tartaros compared to resin ones?
Do they look derpy the way BaC Contemptor does when compared with a resin one?

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>>50181038
>> considered modeling him with a bionic arm, but remembered that true loyalists don't suffer from phantom pains
Alpharius is more machine than man, so you could do something similar. And your bolt-pistol-twirling Moritat is under hypnotherapy. And you have a skimpy Sister of Silence falling for (You)
>>50181116
>IT MUST BE AN ENEMY STAND

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>>50181451
>>50181473
The newest version of the Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List makes no mention that the Thallax brought as Optional Heavy Support are prevented of using enhancements
>>50181507
At the beginning the Reductor and Taghmata were separate lists, and they had different options. Now they have the same options, the Ordo Reductor bit is only there because canonically they invented Thallax and each cohort not serving them was either gifted by them or used as a trade, all Mechanicum gets access to Augmented Thallax.
I'd post an image of them in official legion colours, but have the updated Cortex Controller rule instead. Strange, Thallax aren't Battle-Automata with Cybernetica Cortex, Controllers are of no use to them.

So how would you take a Legion Malcador? Keep it with a basic two large blasts, sponson lascannons and pintle multimelta? Kinda feeling like making a Terran Dark Angel ironwing list with plenty of volkite, old tech, MKII, box dreads and maybe even tree heraldry

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>>50182681
Not even Sword Brothers can embark on each other's vehicles, and your WE do kind of need it more, so, paint it as IW and then fluff it as being gifted to the WE, so add WE icons to it, and some blood and WE markings like the Bloody Hand and kill marks in such a way no one will be able to mistake it for IW anymore.

>>50182817

Should one go with the newest set of rules then, or did they just forget putting it in? That one can take an augment for a unit of Thallax?

I know, I have to take a Forge lord with the Controller just so I can have some sweet heavy cyborg shock troops.

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>>50182853
>The Cedar is a symbol of holiness, eternity and peace. As an emblem of longevity, the cedar of Lebanon has its origin in many biblical references.
>The cedar of Lebanon is mentioned seventy-seven times in the Bible, especially in the book Psalms chapter 92 verse 12 where it says that "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree, He shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon"[2] and Chapter 104, verse 16, where it is stated: "[t]he trees of the Lord are well watered, the cedars of Lebanon that he planted".[3]
>Alphonse de Lamartine (1790-1869), marveling at the cedars of Lebanon during his trip to the Orient with his daughter Julia, had these words: "[t]he cedars of Lebanon are the relics of centuries and nature, the most famous natural landmarks in the universe. They know the history of the earth, better than the story itself".[4]
>Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1900-1944), who loved the cedars and also had visited Lebanon in 1935, wrote in his work Citadel "[t]he peace is a long growing tree. We need, as the cedar, to rock its unity".[5]
>For the Lebanese, the cedar is a symbol of hope, freedom and memory. In 1920, in a text of the proclamation of the State of Greater Lebanon, it was said: "[a]n evergreen cedar is like a young nation despite a cruel past. Although oppressed, never conquered, the cedar is its rallying. By the union, it will break all attacks".

Trees are kind of a big deal for them. Apparently none of them knows about Agent Orange or phosphex :^)
>>50182887
If you're an IW then you can give a Cortex Controller to a regular techmarine or a Warsmith too, in addition to the Forge Lord. I think the FAQ mentions something about the upgrades, at least for the Solar Auxilia, which would mean the omission-of-the-restriction in Age of Darkness allows your Thallax to be upgraded now.

>>50182914
>]

No IVth for me, the sea green of the Warmaster, so a forgelord is needed. I'll check the FAQ thank you.

>>50178094
Chicken-dining Traitor Custodes

>>50182914
I was actually going to do it with the symbol of a crysanthemum, what with them becoming the Angels of Death. Regardless of flowers, anyone have a hint on Malcador loadout?

Is that truth that Malcador want Primarchs to be females?

>>50183045

He made a joke about it to Lord Dorn, I think if I remember correctly.

>>50182853
If you're going for strictly Terran marines and tech, Choom is out as it was supplied to the Legions by Mars, Terawatt clans made bolters for the Emperor's armies.

>>50183045
He was a sick old man, of course he did.

>>50183096
Choom is a given, i'll be taking three squads of support marines with either calivers or chargers. Sadly i have to have two lots of tacticals, but i'll just use them to squat on objectives.

>>50183113
Go ahead, it isn't unreasonable because the brethren of the Firewing probably copied the tech and distributed the guns across the Legion, just bear in mind that there was a lot of mutual distrust between the First and the Mechanicum, and consequently they had the smallest Mechanicum contingent attached to the expeditionary fleets.

Children of Sicarus anyone?

>>50183179
You're that the Either guy, aren't you?

>>50181038
>>50182772
I can't wait for Headhunters to become usable again, Exodus is worth his points for the special rules alone.

>>50178922
>TFW someone saved your edit

>>50178222
these are wonderfully cool.

>>50181038
>Alpharius is more machine than man
wait what? since when?

>>50178922
Well, they had at least double the sources of geneseed in addition to progenoids.

Are there any Alpha Legionnaires loyalists? I know the rest of the legion is posing as "traitors".

>>50183471
I have been having some thoights on head hunters. was i see it there a few things that could be done to make them better

>Option 1: All heavy bolters with bane strike + suspension
a nice mix between HSS and seekers.

>Option 2 : AA, extra power dagger and counter attack
makes them mid ranged counter-assault units

>Option 3: Give them heavy 2 sniper rifles, which when combined with banestrike, is ap 3 on a 5 to wound, ap2 on a 6

Burning of Prospero.rar
http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/fM2r3Vb7/file.html

>>50183515
Honestly its unclear. Most likely you have half the legion being actual traitors, and the other half only playing pretend, which is why they attack themselves

Dubs chooses my HH army. Everything open, not just legions.

>>50183559
White Scars with imperial knights

>>50183559
Chaos Daemons

>>50183559
Loyalist word bearers

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>>50183502
Alpharius' origin fluff/lies kind of imply he was split up by the warp portal as a baby. What remained behind was fixed by the Emperor into Omegon, while Alpharius landed, incomplete, on a technologically advanced world.
An in Praetorian of Dorn, the (((real))) Alpharius, wearing ornate armour, sitting on the throne and recognized by his brother Dorn is noted by Archamus to move as if he was more machine than man.

>>50183559
Obligatory Iron Warrior post.

>>50183524
None but the second option fits their background, but they may be OP with CA autoincluded.
Honestly, either the unit needs to be redone from the start or Banestrike needs to be made stronger, and I prefer the first option.

>>50183573
>>50183559
Rerollin'

>>50183559
Purely assault Questoras Knights and Mechanicum

>>50183609
>>50183524
What if Banestrike ignored power armour on a 5+ and was an assault weapon?

>>50183559

White scars jet bike spam

>>50183622
winner winner chicken dinner

>>50183622
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER !!!

>>50178094
"Good" guys
Survivors of the Drop Site.
>Salamanders.
Burning your enemies is okay as long as it isn't with chemicals

>>50183045
20 female primarchs?
They wouldn't get out of sol before they have worst infighting than whole Horus heresy squared.

To anyone who owns a Kharybdis: was it as painfully frustrating to build together as a Dreadclaw?

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>Swept scoria

>dropped a pie plate on Horus and his justaerin

>popped a Spartan with a saboteur

I love this game

>>50183609
>Honestly, either the unit needs to be redone from the start or Banestrike needs to be made stronger, and I prefer the first option.
this was my thoughts, hence the different ideas. The name 'HeadHunter' makes me think of assassin/brutal close combatant, which double PD fits very well. The AA is jsut because of those lovely models with the scales, which looks very similar to the alpha legion character with the thunderhammer

i mean for 175 points for the squad, i see no reason CA would make them OP

>>50183627
eh, not a fan, still quite expensive, and with not great CC potential, and a mid-range

>>50183987
Make them cheaper, WS5, Banestrike ignores power armour and artificer armou (but not terminator armour) on a 5+, Precision shot on a 5+ and they get Prefered Enemy Infantry or PE (HQ).
They don't strike me as melee to be honest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4L_S9K-BkQ

>>50183940
It is much easier to build and virtually impossible to transport.

>>50183965
And no one loves you

>>50184186
>Magos, I've designed a new drop pod. I call it the 'Kharybdis' and it will carry 20 Astartes from their battle barges to the battlefield in a single drop assault!
>That's quite a nice model, sir.
>...Model?
>>50184207
He's an AL. He's obviously missingforming us, right? Right?!

>>50182681
Say it's Kroeger's transport, and all that went inside left blood thirsty men,

>>50181840
Interesting choices given that the Jaghatai Khan, Sanguinius, and Magnus were the three primarchs who started the Librarius program. Excluding the post-Monarchia Word Bearers, those were the three legions aware of (and not afraid of) the nature of the Warp.

>>50183595
I guffawed.

>>50183515
Alpha legion is a loyalist chapter that have purposely given themselves over to chaos in order to screw chaos over.
>They be double agents.

But also, it's plausible that they gave in to chaos because they recognize the cabal as being a bunch of stuck up xenos cunts who need a good kicking. (which is why the omega vault)

Then again maybe they're just the troll legion and just like to fuck shit up.

>>50183597
Alpharius's physical form is just a necron machine, created by the necrons long ago as a vessel to storm the gates of chaos and survive

>>50184168
How are they not close combat?
CQC is the specialisation of elite kill squads.

>>50183970
Ah, 2 PDs? I didn't see that.
How about 2 PD, PA, VenomS, Krak, and Banestrike BP with ranged options the same as SoH Reavers?
Statline should be the same, they get Infiltrate, Precision Shots and Strikes, Implacable Advance.
The base cost should be in 100-130 range with additional HHs being 20-22pts. Maybe even add in Furious Charge and/or Rampage.
I didn't do the mathhammer, but this should be mediocre to good tier alongside units such as Vets, Seekers, Dark Furies.
I wouldn't give them WS5 no matter how much I'd like to.

>>50184730
Praetor Anthrax Cowslaughter is on deck, Poison Huffers. Look presentable.

>>50178596
is this tank another hint that Blood Ravens are a 2nd founding chapter of loyalist TS?
Besides being led by witches, hoarding artifacts, protecting knowledge, red armor and a conveniently missing link to the founding legion? I'd like to know how they managed to get rid of all these mutations though.

>>50184561
That was partly my reason when I started them, I already had my WS and I really like psykers

>>50183597
Man I bet Dorn and Girlyman have a wierd convo about them both killing the Realm(TM) Alpharius.

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>>50183515
There aren't out-of-the-closet AL loyalists, if that's what you're asking. There do seem to be AL helping the loyalists (including Omegon himself) but they aren't coordinating or communicating with anyone on the Emperor's side.

They seem to have saved Corax on Isstvan V... but that may have only been so that he could work on that gene tech that the AL later stole. They delayed the White Scars long enough for them to receive Dorn's order to return to Terra and destroyed a facility producing a warp storm that had isolated them at Chondax... but that meant they couldn't reinforce the Space Wolves while the other half of the Alpha Legion attacked them at Alaxxes.

There’s also the crazy story involving Iron Hands disguised as Alpha Legionnaires, Alpha Legionnaires disguised as Iron Hands, and Alpha Legionnaires disguised as Iron Hands disguised as Alpha Legionnaires. Seventh Serpent, I think? That was the Black Library source that explicitly said there was a mini-civil war within the legion.

My guess is that both Alpharius and Omegon initially believed the Cabal when they said helping Horus win was the best way to defeat Chaos. Omegon then decided the Cabal was making stuff up to get humanity to destroy itself, and turned loyalist. Alpharius... well, I have no idea what he was trying to say in Praetorian of Dorn. He may have still believed it, or he may have turned into a Littlefinger-type character, realizing that the worse the war got, the moreful the AL could be at the end of it.

>>50184561
I think the wolves know more than they let on. Either instinctively or consciously. Emps knows psykers are a massive threat, and the kind the wolves would have to face, he wouldn't sent them unprepared. Russ must know at least, he does have the psychic howl that wrecked the sons outside the library.

>>50184773
Lorn V is the setting for DoW winter assault I think

>>50183524
I think that relentless would be a good add on to bring em up to speed. Why have spheres if you ain't chargan

>>50184968
Never forget Dorn logic

> alpharius must have survived
> by being dead
> IN PRETEND

>>50184660
> Necrons couldnt get the shrapnal out of his brain

>>50184995
>tfw you forget which side you're supposed to be spying for

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>>50180041

Help me pick a legion guys, I want a small cadre of elite troops backed by expendable warp cults/guardsmen and heavy artilllery.

>>50185823
Word bearers

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Building roughly 60 mk4 marines all with FW legion specific torsos, heads and shoulders when I suddenly realize; The fuck's the point with fancy torsos if you won't see them behind their bolters, lascannons and combiplasmas anyway!?

Congrats on the Trump victory, 40k bros.

I hope our new leader can roll back the (((sjw))) menace and save out hobby.

>>50186007
To prove what an autist you are and how much you hate charity.

>>50186715
But I'm not autistic at all! My psychologist said that I'm extreamly not autistic, almost like an opposite of an autist, you know, just as retarded, but at the oposite things, like, I excel at what they suck at, and suck at what they excel at, like an anti-autist.

Which Primarch had the smallest dick??