Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>50105499
I only play pretty things

i think i'm broken.

>full on weeb edition

>>50105499
Sexy enough that if we decide to do ERP after the session is over we can do it. So moderately sexy

Not at all.

I'm play a bunk-ass ugly motherfucker if I want.

I'll play him, and he'll beat the shit out of people with his bare hands, then laugh like an asshole, because that's what he is.

>>50105499
I intentionally make most of my characters relatively unattractive so as to make them relateably awkward if they end up getting into a relationship.

>>50105499
>Halo Effect Edition: How cute/pretty/sexy/handsome do your characters have to be for you to consider playing them?
Not at all. The last two characters I played were desperately ugly.

>>50105543
Alternatively, I'll play an old-ass man, as beardy as I can.

I wanna be the Gandalf-type wizard. The Merlin.

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>>50105530
Don't tell me this isn't heckin' adorable.

>>50105531
>Why?
Religious reasons.

>>50105521
Really if I had things my way I'd just rather play a Paladin that didn't have to be LG (not that I have anything against LG) instead of an antipaladin. But what're ya gonna do, right?

>>50105586
>Religious reasons.

I have to know!

>>50101415
>I'm the Anon from the last thread that was asking about making undead out of enemy NPCs, do you guys think it'd be possible to make a skeleton or zombie out of the male dryad you fight in Vengeance?
Reposting this question since I don't think I got an answer last time.

>>50105594
I think Grey Paladins only have to be Good?

>>50105623
Grey Paladins can be anything one step removed from LG, and can also hilariously be LG as well, which defeats the point.

>>50105579
And day after day we continue to distance ourselves from the loving embrace of God.

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>>50105594
What do you want this non-LG Paladin to do?

We could probably put together something similar.

>>50105598
Solid food was banned, he served a toothless leech god. Alcohol was seen as sinful. The mayo was convenient because he had a jug that made it.

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>>50105639
How the fuck did we go from that to this?

>>50105639
>full plate on limbs
>head and torse exposed
Too /fa/ for the battlefield.

>>50105531
Could be cultural thing - half-French / half-Inuit

>>50105662
Shockingly designers have different aesthetics they aim for when games have different themes to them.

>>50105662
When giant pizza cutters became a thing.

>>50105688
That sounds like a Dead Rising weapon.

>>50105638
It was not God himself that embraced you, merely a priest preaching in God's name,
And it wasn't loving embrace, it was molestation.

>>50105623
Sure, but you also lose out on divine grace. It seems like it's weaker for simply not being as "good", which I feel doesn't make much sense from the "martial enforcer of a god" perspective I have with them. But hey, I guess if that's what I'm feeling I should just roll a cleric or Warpriest...

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>>50105499

I tend to play less attractive characters-they just seem more fun to roleplay, for some reason.

By the by, is everyone excited for the weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?

>>50105718
just running my game and then crying myself to sleep

>>50105499
I don't think I've ever played an ugly character.
It's the anime influence.

ROLL CALL

Tell me about your RotJR character and give me one (1) reason they're lewd!

>>50105639
Really what I want is an Oradin that isn't restricted to being LG. The problem is that the antipaladin in general doesn't make for a great replacement. Insinuator helps at least with allignment, but at the cost of a bunch of abilities it'd seem.

>>50105718

I'm with you, I tend to be at my best playing ugly characters, or ones who are at best handsome in a rugged sort of way, though I'm also a sucker for Beauty and the Beast stories so I'm biased.

My weekend is mild, going to a state park this Sunday and having a game Saturday!

>>50105728
Well she's a wuffgirl brawler/bloodrager of amazonian size and she often complains about it being too hot >its 70 degrees, and wears skimpy clothing as a result.

She's also A bit of a naive dummy that gets attached to people because outside of her homeland people reasonably balk from a werewolf girl

Also she is a baker. And a dancer.

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>>50105728

Onryo is Ameiko's muscular Oni-Spawn Maximum Overmonk sister; who loves food, fights, and is an absolute wuss when it comes to romance.

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>>50105608
I haven't played Vengeance, but yes to both since they are corporeal and have skeletons.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/zombie
>“Zombie” is an acquired template that can be added to any corporeal creature (other than an undead), referred to hereafter as the base creature.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/skeleton
>“Skeleton” is an acquired template that can be added to any corporeal creature (other than an undead) that has a skeletal system (referred to hereafter as the base creature).

>>50105668
At least he's wearing armor.

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>>50105718
Waiting for tomorrow's session where my PC will probably use his Greater Teleport to get away from the PVP about to unravel because he doesn't care about it at all. Maybe go sleep in a tavern for the rest of the session or something.

So yeah, I'm pretty excited.

>>50105766
The bell bottoms are the least objectionable part of that design.

>>50105765
She's also a Cook, and a (Poor) dancer.

>>50105662
This image always pisses m off because I liked the game and the sword doesn't even show up outside of promotional materials.

>>50105610
Probably going to be a Scout URogue 4/Vivisectionist 16 and taking Sap Adept/Master, Combat Stamina, and Kirin Style/Strike. Items would be the usual stat boosters and a +5 AoMF. Swift action to identify the target, then charge as a full round to get 20d6+25+Dex+Int. That's only an average of ~100 though, assuming a +5 Dex/Int. Would be higher depending on however many boosts the Alchemist side can give out.

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>>50105329
>and their tiny SA progression is barely anything when Treacherous Toxin (either of them) exists.
But that feat has this line to prevent it from being useful: "This can't cause the save DC to exceed 15 + 1/2 your character level."

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>>50105404
How are you getting the DC to 50?

>>50105765
thicc

>>50105728
>Master of the Forest of Blades
Psychic Armory Soulknife combined with Crimson Count Harbinger

He is lewd because of his many swords

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>>50105728
She's an Aberrant Aegis/Hekatonkheires Symbiat who was raised by crazy cultists to be a vessel for an eldritch deity, but ended up with a comparitively low-powered aberrant brain buddy instead. She escaped the cult, and is currently trying to live the best life she can and help people along the way at least until the inevitable happens and the Old Ones carelessly unmake the world.

She's lewd because she's happy to try almost anything once even though she's very vanilla herself and hasn't even realized her tentacles can be used for lewdness.

She also has thick thighs and a very nice ass.

>>50105821
1) Things are assumed to be done in the most beneficial manner possible. So if you have a DC 10 poison and a dozen things that boost it to a higher DC (Such as Powerful Poisoning), you can add them in whatever manner you wish. I think I even read someplace that PP and TP even stack, since the DC boost gets added after being calculated (so each has a max value it can increase the DC by, but they don't affect each other).

2) The Guild Poisoner's Treacherous Toxin ability doesn't have that line.

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and now i need good wuffgirl art

or i can just use Nozomi because thats basically her personality in my mind. but she needs to be blonde to be properly Ulfen

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>>50105733
Which abilities do you want to keep?

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>>50105499
Why are their tails docked?

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>>50105638
Man I really hate anime and weeaboos, oh I know! Lets go to a site specifically marketed towards anime fans and weeaboos!

Goddammit, what is with all these anime fans and weeaboos?

>>50105728
Human Sphere Caster/Sniper Slayer
Pseudo Academic , Local Tutor, and author of several short stories penned under a fake name.

Fell into a depression after his mother died in a church fire and began wandering Varisia taking on oddjobs. He's just come back for the Swallowtale festival and to visit his mothers resting place and probably take a bit of a rest after his first "real" adventure(as I needed to find a way to justify why he has several thousand GP worth of shit). He's still trying to figure out what exactly he wants out of life.
>give me one (1) reason they're lewd!
I can't because he's not. Dirty jokes is probably all your going to get out of me.I guess he's awkward around people

>>50105810
>Urogue can still into archetypes like nothing
>Umonk can't
This is so thanks obama is actually infuriating

>>50105864

I've got some art that could work, I'll need to get back to my computer though!

>>50105873
Lay on Hands, paladin Auras and Mercies really. The antipaladin equivalents don't seem as useful. I mean even if I could heal myself with negative energy, the antipaladin's Touch of Corruption couldn't be used as a swift, not to mention couldn't be used to heal others. As for the auras/cruelties I'd rather buff myself and my party then HOPE for enemies to fail saves

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>>50105864
I got just the thing!

>>50105728
I'll be an Avowed/Some CHA initiator in a dual application.

She inherited her pact and was sold off as a young slave because her powers were creepy, and the other PC recognized her potential and bought her before freeing her.
Even though they're equals now, she still looks up to them with a mix of gratitude, admiration and love, and has sworn to be their right hand in everything, to an almost yandere extent.

For some personal reason or another, the other PC gently refuses romantic advances and tries to keep things platonic.

>>50105638
>Hating Miqo'te
>Hating Miqittens
Soulless

>>50105810
>No vital strike

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>>50105864
Ulfen also have red hair!

>>50106049
>charge
>vital strike
choose one

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>>50106086
Gorum's DFT lets you vital strike on a charge with a greatsword. Then one of those things to let you do bludgeoning damage with it, and hey, it works.

>>50106107
holy-moly that might just be too musclegirl

>>50106072
Drapes, carpet?
This is important.

>>50106109
Ain't no such thang.

>>50105972

Who's the lucky other character in this dual app?

>>50106108
>greatsword
I think you missed the point of the exercise here.

>>50105853

>That last spoiler

I can't begin to say how good it is to see another person that appreciates thick thighs and a great ass.

>>50106109
>>50106121

Ahh but Wuff Girl is lean amazon! The kind a combo fiend comes from, not a brick house

However Pick related seems wolfy to me.

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>>50105864

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>>50106156
OH GOD NO! I"VE DISHONORED MY FAMURY!

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>>50106156

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>>50106165
>not using the animation

>>50106125
There's a player willing to do it but they're undecided on what they want right now.
We'll have to see, I guess.

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>>50106156

I've gotchu senpai.

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>>50105929
I just tried going through d20pfsrd, but everything that would let you duplicate Lay on Hands requires you to be LG.

Maybe you could try Channel Energy feats and spells instead of LoH and Mercies.

As for the Auras, look for communal versions of spells.

>>50106249
>>50106238
dees more like it

>>50106211
That is way too lewd.

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So where's a would-be adventurer supposed to get an assortment of magic weapons with impractical shapes and effects in ye olde PF?

>>50106319
Wizard's dumpster

>>50106319
BudK catalogs.

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>>50105728

He's an [Artisan | Warder (ZweiSent) into Landsknecht] that moved to Sandpoint to escape the hustle and bustle of Magnimar, finding comfort in the lazy coastal days and calm cobblestoned streets of the town! He's an expert swordsman and deadly with both the sword cane and Aldori Dueling Sword (for reasons he won't initially explain) but his true passion lay in creating masterful works of art, whether it's on a canvas or with a block of marble! Truly, if you ever want something made for your room or your garden, he's your man.

>and give me one (1) reason they're lewd!

He is more than willing to paint breathtaking portraits of characters in various states of undress, down to erotic nudity! This has given him some respect at the Pixie's Kitten, where he's drawn a portrait of each working girl and working man.

>>50106270
Oracles of any alignment can poach Lay on Hands with the Merciful Curse.

Pact Wizards can poach Oracle Curses at effect Oracle level = 1/2 Wizard level, so you can get the Merciful Curse that way too.

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>>50106280

I've got one more that might work, assuming you want red hair!

>>50105579
you want some fuckin cute kitties, have more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj3qdnu6G7I

>>50105728
>>50105765

I feel like there's just a stable of Otherworldly and Cursed children Sprung from Lonjiku Kaijitsu' loins

We got an oni, there was a janshi type Damphyr. What else is out there?

>>50105728
I don't know! I would like to make a tower shield focused warder but the amount of feats required to get it rolling is just obscene. Thought about gestalting it with psychic warrior or fighter but I am not sure. Maybe I'll just change it to hidden blade rogue. Would occultist be a good match for it?

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>>50106446
What am I even watching

>>50106398
>Oracles of any alignment can poach Lay on Hands with the Merciful Curse.
*If 3PP's allowed.

>>50105639
>>50105733
Not him, but I'd really like to go with more of FF5 style dark knights.

Emotionally dead, Lawful neutral-bordering-evil, "dark" powers that call upon physical and mental anguish, and the willingness to work with things that are conventionally deemed forbidden.

Maybe this is some black seraph like sword-skills, maybe it is the touch of corruption and anti-pal spells.

Personally I like the idea of black-thorn knight type fluff, where you're a sworn "ally of hell" who is sent out on missions against chaos. Hell won't necessarily try to change your alignment from neutral to evil, or prevent you from committing good - they'll just let you be you, because the thing about being lawful themselves means they have plenty of allies, the thing about being lawful evil is that quite a few of those allies won't ask any questions.

>tfw I wish there was a Cleric archetype based on having two touch spells held at once, one positive and one negative energy
>gives up a domain for monk unarmed progression
>gives up channel for flurry w/ either positive or negative energy added on
>gives up medium/light armor for wisdom to AC

>>50106316
It gets lewder.

>>50106499
If you need more feats, it sounds like you want Fighter.

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>>50106585
I know

>>50106270
Not really. An Insinuator's self-heal can still be redirected to other people with lifelink.

I'm starting a game for my friends on Sunday, and I've never DM'd before. I've also started creating a game world of our own with my players' input. Problem is, I only got a general idea of what they want to see. Can I have help fleshing out my setting?

Please ask me questions about daily life in my setting, or even about parts of the setting itself.

>>50106680
Imagine you were in a room of 30 people all with their own setting and each had only 3 sentences to make theirs stand out.

What would you say?

>>50106509
An old claymation show about kittens meeting different animals.

It kinda straddles the line between creepy as fuck (the kitties deform and flatten and whatnot all the time) and adorable.

>>50106680
You're going to have to give us info first dude, for instance what setting are you playing in? Do your players know what you plan on playing in your game? Are you making the world yourself or using a book? What level are the players starting at? A foundation needs to be set before anything else, otherwise there's nothing to build on.

>>50106585
... does it?
.... where might, uh, one go to, say, find out?
for science?

>>50106739
The Gods are totally fucking shit up, and each other.
Skeletons are legally people.
Dungeons randomly appear in the world as a spontaneous effect of the Gods' fighting, as well as extreme weather phenomena, like mountains growing in moments out of nowhere, columns of fire shooting from the sky, etc.

Moar!

>>50106757
Setting of our own creation! Yes, they helped design the general type of game and certain specific in-game phenomena. I'm making the world myself. Level 1. We have quite a large number of notable NPCs, specific places and wondrous things in the world, I'm just looking for advice on fleshing out the bits in-between.

>>50106762

It's called "Wolf Girl with You", it's a pretty good series of animations featuring the wolf-girl Liru with an epic development backstory.

>>50106789
How good are you at improv? This is an important question more than anything else, because if there's one constant in this world, it's that players are unpredictable and you'll have to think on your feet if you want to keep up. If you don't you'll end up with a situation like my group where we ended up making a tavern out of an abandoned mine's refinery and you'll have no idea what to do about it.

Where can I get a look at DSPs Roil Dancer Kineticist?
Without, you know, buying the PDF.
Pretty sure it's not on the trove.

3000 gold is depressing

its not enough gold to buy anything good.

>>50106939
>its not enough gold to buy anything good.

Uhh, what?

It's enough gold to buy anything your little heart desires in Adventuring Gear!

And remember, houses are only 1,290 gp!

>>50106958

Wow! That leaves 1,710 gp to spend on the housewarming party!

>>50106958
yeah i said anything good :^)

>>50106965
get 2 houses, rent one, live in the other

>>50106939
Depends on which class you are

For a martial or divine caster, that's +1 Armor, as long as it isn't Full Plate, a MWK weapon, and enough gold left over to get whatever you want in mundane items while still having enough left over that you won't have to save up for long to get the weapon to +1.

For an arcane caster, it's at least one wand, as many scrolls as you want, and a pearl of power if you're a Wizard.

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>>50106965

I know, right?! You could buy all the equipment you'll ever need and have a house to put it in!

That's what I'm planning to do for my swordsman, at least! Doesn't make sense to live somewhere without owning property, eh?

>>50106969

Oh, you! Do remember that we're going to have two Book 1s in a row for this campaign, meaning the 3k starting gold can be spent on *anything* and you won't be suffering for wastrel habits when Books 3-4 roll around.

Alright, so what's this thing everyone's making such a big deal about?

>>50107015
but for an unarmed character its... Nothin

and its not even worth getting magic armor because i should save up until i can afford a mithril breastplate for optimal punching.

>>50107074
Gonna have to be more specific

>>50107074
Someone said they were thinking about doing a 25 pointbuy gestalt RotRL/Jade Regent game that's open to ERP bullshit.

Now a cadre of autists are all hyped up and posting their glorified wank fantasies.

>>50107120
whats wrong with wank fantasies.

>>50107074

The Cubs winning the World Series? It's just that they haven't done so in over a century.

>>50107089
Enjoy not living to buy the breastplate
Feels good playing something that isn't that dependent on having lots of +1 gear

>>50107089
What sort of unarmed character are you playing that uses armor?

>>50107134
They're meant to be private.

>>50107142
I mean I doubt i'll die its just ya know.

Its not worth wasting gold on getting +1 armor that i'll have to toss cause its not optimal

>>50107155
a brawler?

>>50107155
Literally anyone/anything that isn't a monk.

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>>50107120
Ah, I see.

On the one hand, I'd be tempted to play an ice-focused caster who's on cold shower duty to make sure everyone keeps it in their pants during combat.

On the other hand, finding the right options for it all is going to take a while.

>>50107232
winter witch + winter witch prc

done i found your options.

>>50106939

I bought an amulet of natural armor, Two bark skin potions and spent the rest on Alchohol, Candy, and cooking supplies.

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>>50107244
Any races that boost it? The right items? Traits?

Winter Witch is all fine and well, but surely there's more to it.

>>50107264
nah its pretty straight forward.

take rime spell too.

>>50107232
I mean I made a sphere blaster caster that seems to do pretty heavy damage for level 3.
Blood Havoc+Primal Energy Bloodline+Focused means that your individual rays are pretty deadly.

My energy orbs hit for slightly lest but are still hearty, comes online much faster than a regular Sorcerer to. Only issue is if the build has staying power, especially with PoW involved.

Is the hand magic item slot 2 separate slots? I'm just wondering as a few items specifically state that you can't use another hand slot item when using them.

Also was there an answer from the writers about the uses of the alchemist extra arms discovery?

>>50107255
unfortunately amulet of natural armor will also be replaced

maybe a ring of protection, cheap and it won't get quickly replaced

>>50107279
Depends on whether or not the hand slot you're filling covers both hands or not.

>>50106884
Ever since DSP made friends with pfg people have stopped sharing their stuff.
Which is a bit sad because it leads to nobody knowing things like the Roil Dancer exist.

>>50107310
/pfg/ definitely talks about it often enough to get people aware. Or at least as aware as most other 3pp

>>50107298
Ok so the items that say they are one hand like gloves of storing I can dual wield. Neat, Thanks.

>>50107289
Good point, replaced it with The ever helpful Handy Haversack

>>50107366
Can't go wrong with a Haversack at some point thats true.

i'm going with the ring, my AC is too low without it

>>50107372
What is your AC/Build?

>>50107386
i'm at 17 AC between my dex, armor, and ring

>>50107386
>>50107396

Ahh, i see, I'm floating around 21. Thank you Double Dip!

Bark skin potions are your friend.

>>50107359
>A glove of storing uses up the wearer’s entire hands slot. The wearer may not use another item (even another glove of storing) that also uses the hands slot.

>>50107422
well my upside is I have a boatload of HP, plus rage HP, but i will be losing some AC from raging as well

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Welp, that took a good minute.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=997215

>>50106850
Honestly, with non-crunch stuff? I can make shit up like nobody's business. My problem is consistency, and I want to avoid major plot holes. My main problem is also adjusting the crunch to fit the flavor. Like, I know I can repurpose an Orc's stats for a brigand if I need to, but for more major changes, like the players attacking an inn full of people of various stripes instead of the orcs? that's a bit harder to improvise.

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>>50105728
DIdn't we do this yesterday, not even a half dozen threads ago? Hell, weren't we still doing this LAST THREAD? Do we need to do a roll call when we were still recovering from the last one?

Fuck it. Still don't know if I'll be available, but I'm still tentatively interested in giving the "Tiefling who wants to be like the heroes of justice and good from the stories" Sphere Magus||(Phantom Thief/Hidden Blade) URogue a good college try. Bladebound/Kensai conversion to spheres would be nice on the magus side. Yes I'm aware my "I want to be like a paladin" character is classed nothing like a paladin.

I also can't say if he'd be lewd at all, because I mostly used the campaign as a jumping off point for an idea I've had for ages anyway. Lewdest thing I can even think of is I was debating taking the Shifting Disguise feat, which seem very ridiculous when it's "has limited at-will shapeshifting abilities he perfected so he could... Change his hair color and hide his horn."

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>>50107244
>>50107264
>>50107232
>winter witch + winter witch prc
>Not abusing the flaws in the rules, and instead making a Crossblooded Boreal/Marid Sorcerer with a single dip in Winter Witch so she can advance both her Sorc casting and Witch class abilites at one with the PrC.
Step it up Cryomancers!

Or you can just pick a Wizard instead of Sorcerer if you want to be SAD

>>50107460
not loading for some reason :/

>>50107498
In that case my biggest suggestion to you is to write stuff down as you go, at least until you get to the point where you can remember details off the top of your head consistently. That, and keeping a bunch of reference material on hand at all times is invaluable if you're worried that some rando NPC is in danger of being attacked by your PCs. If you can't find good stats for generics lying around online then pilfer some from various adventure paths in the books.

>>50107547
Witches don't need other stats other than INT.
You can invest in some CHA for some eldritch heritage feats without dipping so your spellcasting levels is up to level.

Then again, why would you? Bloodline and Domain powers suck.

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>>50107613

Really? Well damn, might've been me tossing in a few alterations here and there to keep things a bit more organized.

I'll try posting it one more (and just one more!) time: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=997215

>>50107629
Its for the Bloodline Arcana, plus Winter Witch PrC grants both Witch levels as well as a whole extra bit of casting if you have any other class.

Behold:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/winter-witch
>Levels of the winter witch prestige class stack with witch levels for determining when she learns new hexes, the effect of her hexes and other witch class abilities (including archetype abilities), the abilities of her witch's familiar, and the level at which she can select major hexes or grand hexes
Other class abilities means spells, and this is in addition to the Spells per Day increase

>>50107622
Fair nuff. Everything we've created so far, I've put into two different Google Docs for reference that I'm leaving open to viewing by myself and all the players for general reference. Anything secret, I'd keep in a separate one only I can view.

One more question: I sort of understand the math behind adjusting encounters for parties of more than four players, but is it reasonable to adjust it much if my players are starting at level 1? According to any calculators I've seen, the difference between four and five orcs/skeletons/whatever goes from easy encounter to epic encounter.

>>50107679
there it goes, just took awhile.

>>50107691
This is the kind of stupid shit that happens when you make an entire fucking PrC for one goddamn archetype.

>>50107691
Oh. Yeah, you know no experienced DM will allow that, right? Its straight up exploiting a loophole in the rule rather than playing around it.

>>50107715
>>50107725
That's nothing, there's a Wizard Archetype that allows you to bust your way into Mystic Theurge with only one level lost to a Divine caster (and only if you want to).

>>50105766
>flat ass

The worst offense.

>>50107699
I'll be honest, this entirely depends on the party you're going to be hosting. In the current model of Pathfinder, building a synth summoner correctly nets you 25+ HP and the ability to hit like a truck at level 1, while a poorly built wizard will be useless after 3 turns of combat and will probably go down in a single hit. I'd suggest asking your players for a sneak preview of their sheets and running some test encounters against low level enemies yourself if you really want to know if they can handle what you plan on throwing at them.

>>50107679
>>50105765

I dont like Mythweavers (Read, i'm lazy), But let me add to this party.

http://pastebin.com/W7VCE3XD

>>50107811

If you're going to have itty bitty titties, at least have a good butt.

Heck, you'll even get thick thighs out of it!

>>50107850
It's final fantasy, they're not allowed to have any sort of features which might mark them as being adults.

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>>50107871

>>50107892
Yeah, and 7 came out how fucking long ago now? That was old Final Fantasy, even if it was the turning point towards what we have now.

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>>50107848

>Chocolate Bars (5)

>>50107907
Lulu? 14? Cindy?

>>50107892
Still doesn't count.
We had two girls with fairly substantial racks even back in grade 6. They looked like that well before we would ever be called "adults"

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>>50107756
Here's Theurge for reference
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/core-rulebook/mystic-theurge

Here's the Wizard archetype
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo---wizard-archetypes/spirit-whisperer
>At 5th level, a spirit whisperer can select one hex from the list of those granted by his chosen spirit. He uses his wizard level as his shaman level when determining the effects and DC of this hex. In addition, he uses his Intelligence modifier in place of his Wisdom modifier for these hexes. At 10th and 15th level, he can select another hex from those granted by his spirit. Each hex selected in this way replaces the bonus feat gained at that level.

Just select Lore Spirit for the class, and take the Arcane Enlightenment Hex at 5th level
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/shaman/spirits/lore
>Arcane Enlightenment (Su): The shaman's native intelligence grants her the ability to tap into arcane lore. The shaman can add a number of spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list equal to her Charisma modifier (minimum 1) to the list of shaman spells she can prepare. To cast these spells she must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell's level, but the saving throw DCs of these spells are based on her Wisdom rather than Intelligence. When she casts these spells, they are treated as divine rather than arcane. Each time the shaman gains a level after taking this hex, she can choose to replace one of these spells for a new spell on the wizard/sorcerer spell list.
>When she casts these spells, they are treated as divine rather than arcane.
So, at 5th level, you can now select a 3rd level Divine Spell to cast, which fulfills the divine casting requirement for Theurge.

Just dip in a single Divine class of your choice, then go into Theurge. You only lose 2 levels of Wizard Casting, and get essentially 11 levels of Divine Casting out of it!

Because WIZARDS!

>>50107918
>Still doesn't count.

Why doesn't it count? The anon was claiming Final Fantasy girls have to look flat and childish, and another anon posted a huge-breasted brawler.

Also >>50107917

>>50107942
I just want a guy with a beard! I wanna play a final fantasy game as a dude that looks like he actually generates testosterone!

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>>50107961
Like a chunk of this cast?

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>>50107918
>>50107907
>>50107871
>He hasn't played X-2
>he hasn't seen the Miquote outfits from XI
>He hasn't ogled Fran from XII, or dreamed of lewdly rubbing your dick against Penelo's jumpsuit

>>50107961
You mean like Basch von Ronsenberg from FFXII

Making-NPCs-undead anon again, so do creatures with enough of a BAB get the whole +6/+1 deal as well or is that just for living humanoids?

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>>50107995

Speaking of cat-girls, I got a bit of art that someone might find interesting.

>>50107978
Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

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>>50107995
>>50108007

>>50107995
Okay, be honest with me, who here would want to actually massage Leblanc?

>>50108002
Yeah, they get that too. It's a general rule.

>>50107942
I was mostly referring to main characters. Like the central 'I am the guy/girl'

>>50108086
Okay cool, I figured as much but just wanted to be sure. I'm still annoyed that these guys don't get to keep their Cha scores upon being raised so they can get more HP, what's even the point of using that score to determine extra HP per HD if making a creature a skeleton/zombie automatically makes them have 10 Cha anyway? How does one even raise the Cha score of an undead?

Appendix 3: Rules Index
This list indexes the new rules introduced in this book.

ARCHETYPES
fortune-teller (bard) 32
hellcat (monk) 92
hunting serpent (ninja) 104
mirror witch (witch) 152
seasoned commander (fighter) 164
vaultbreaker (alchemist) 236
voice of the void (medium) 212

CLASS FEATURES
ascetic (oracle mystery) 104
atavism totem (barbarian rage power) 140
atavism totem, greater (barbarian rage power) 140
atavism totem, lesser (barbarian rage power) 140
erratic charge (barbarian rage power) 176
erratic charge, greater (barbarian rage power) 176
furious barrage (barbarian rage power) 176
furious draw (barbarian rage power) 176
incendiary charge (alchemist discovery) 236
order of the whip (cavalier order) 20
penetrating charge (alchemist discovery) 236
savage hurl (barbarian rage power) 176
toxic blood (oracle curse) 105
two-fanged pounce (barbarian rage power) 176

EQUIPMENT
alchemical cleaner 44
breathing tube 128
caravan master’s wagon 116
cutlass 188
dragoon cartridge 57
dragoon musket 57
dragoon pistol 57
guard’s kit 44
hook hand 188
loaded shell game cups 236
pallid suspension 69
quick-pack table 236
shoddy item 116
smuggler’s wagon 116
sucker’s barrel 117
zip-line hook 128

FEATS
Balor Whip 80
Balor Whip, Greater 80
Balor Whip, Improved 80
Coordinated Capture 44
Covering Fire 56
Craft Shoddy Item 116
Cunning 128
Deadly Kiss 224
Favored Community 44
Musketeer’s Daring 56
Musketeer’s Dodge 56
Musketeer’s Reposition 56
Musketeer’s Sidestep 56
Nature’s Wrath 140
Plague Resistance 68
Position of Strength 188
Position of Strength, Improved 188
Protective Line 56
Quick Stow 128
Reap the Infirm 68
Terrifying Assassination 224
Twin Fang Lunge 105
Twin Fang Strike 105
Twin Fang Style 105
Two-Weapon Grace 224
Vishkanya Perfume 224

>>50108107
>Like the central 'I am the guy/girl'

Well of course they're not going to be the central character, they want a "traditional" beauty or a handsome character in the central role. The bearded hunk or large-breasted bombshell is typically present in the story, but they're a side-character.

>>50108126
MAGIC ITEMS
aerialist’s rod 32
animal mask 201
ankle chains of walking 21
arrow of latching 128
badge of authority 45
balor’s lash 81
battle strider’s boots 177
branding iron of tracking 21
cestus of security 224
clandestine voucher 225
commander’s tent 165
crate of preservation 117
cutlass of waves 189
darkness arrow 21
devil’s spit 92
diabolus bell 93
doorknobs of peregrination 237
erasing book 45
eyes of embersight 93
eyes of the damned 93
fool’s malady 33
fungal slippers 141
gag of silence 21
ghungroos of entrancement 225
hat of the seven winds 189
hood’s flair 129
hook of ascension 129
home away 33
ivory succubus 81
mage shot 57
mountebank’s megaphone 33
moss cloak 165
necklace of stolen breath 141
periapt of devotion 213
periapt of utter devotion 213
pirate lord’s patch 189
plagueborn mantle 69
pliability elixir 45
powerhouse pelt 33
quill of verification 45
reaper’s lantern 69
ring of rulership 153
rod of burning blood 93
satchel of plentiful feed 165
sigils of the great cataclysm 213
sleeping sap 21
slippers of scampering 237
smoke bomb of forgetfulness 225
society ring 201
unbalanced scales 117
Urgathoa’s breath 69
vagrant’s hood 129
vine arrow 21
vishkanya periapt 225

OCCULT RITUALS
atavistic reversion 140
blush of youth 8
cats and mice 200
enter the inner circle 200
natural reclamation 140
unwavering vigilance 9

SPELLS
amnesia 8
appearance of life, greater 8
beacon of guilt 44
burning entanglement 140
cloak of shadows 80
covetous urge 8
cursed treasure 188
dousing rain 176
escape alarm 45
fool’s gold 117
geomessage 237
hide bruises 20
hobble 200
hoodwink 212
nature’s paths 164
outbreak 69
reinvigorating wind 177
resist starvation 21
rotgut 188
sand table 165
shadow claws 81
shadow jaunt 81
steady saddle 177
virulent miasma 69
walk the plank 188
wicker horse 177

TEMPLATE
pallid vector 68

>>50108123
They can still use items and such.

Also, the cha-as-con thing is a general rule for undead, and many of them DO have greater charisma.

Like for instance, a Lich doesn't lose his charisma, so a sorcerer who becomes a lich gets a pile of extra HP because it's his casting stat.

>>50108126
What is this?

>>50108126
Which book is this again? because Mirror Witch looks interesting

>>50108171
Unfortunately I'm only using Lesser Animate Dead as that's all my guy can cast right now, when he gets stronker I guess I can rest easy knowing that there's templates I can use that will provide more opportunities for bigger health pools but for now this is what I'm going to have to work with.

>>50108187
>>50108197
Villain Codex

>So wait, what is Aboleth corruption like? .-.
It affects the mind, specifically dealing with brainwashing, mind-affecting stuff, and memory. As it progresses, you slowly become an unwitting servant of the Veiled Masters.

>What does the demonic corruption grant?
The manifestations are physical things like claws, wings, etc. The progression affects your alignment, turning you CE until you become sufficiently demonized that you're a NPC.

>Are the corrupted animal companions just animal companions with corruptions applied, or is it something else?
They're something else. They don't have themes like the Corruptions do (Lychanthrop, Vampire, etc.). It's more a thing that can get applied to your normal animal companion after it does or it the GM wants to mess with you. They make an animal companion more beastial or violent.

>Any info on the plagued corruption?
It sort of a "terminal" deisease in the sense that it becomes more and more difficult to cure and you eventually lose control of your character.
The manifestations are all focused on your character being a carrier or having special empathy with others that are infected with diseases.

>Oh, and if someone would be so kind, can we get some information on the new variant haunts?
They come in three flavors:
Echoes of the First World
Miraculous Resonances
Technological Surges

>>50108204
Mm.

Well. Normal Animate Dead also only uses the skeleton and zombie templates (I think), and Create Undead makes undead that are actually not immediately controlled by you. You need some other method to keep them in line or otherwise do what you want.

Bloody Skeletons might be up your alley though. Unless destroyed in a specific way, they just reform after a while. Not quite so useful in combat, but they'll keep on coming back.

>>50108278
I'm playing an Undead Lord, controlling these things isn't going to be a problem. Unfortunately I'm only level 4 at the moment, so normal templates it is until I hit level 5.

I had wanted to get into D&D, so I did some research and decided to go with 5E thinking that the easier newer version would be easier to find people to play with. Turns out literally everyone in my area that's into this stuff plays pathfinder.
After buying and reading the 5E players handbook, DM guide, and bestiary I've finally wised up and started in on the Pathfinder core rulebook. After suffering such a terrible fate I figure you'll take pity on me and lend me your insight on some topics I'm certain come up at least every five seconds.

Everyone seems to think Barbarian completely outclasses fighter with the caveats that this is only true if the DM gives short encounters with opportunities to rest and the barb still ends up buying a wand of cure wounds for the party's cleric. What's the bottom line? Is the fighter a viable class or is rolling one up an exercise in masochism for the sake of RP?

Give me an idea of a decent vanilla fighter if you think the fighter is an acceptable choice. If you prefer the barbarian by a wide margin share your thoughts on a simple functional setup and what it offers other than rage and attack.

Finally, how does anyone actually use a tower shield if anyone actually does?

>>50108324
i hope you didn't actually uby the rulebook anon

Vanilla fighter is a terrible choice, but you can make it good with the right Archetypes and things like advanced weapons training

Tower shields are garbage

Here's your new best friend.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/

>>50108324
>Is the fighter a viable class or is rolling one up an exercise in masochism for the sake of RP?
the second one. Barbarians are both more competant and more fun buy a wide margin, since its Rage Powers and Move Speed give it versatility and combat presence.

Especially when you get the Rage Power that lets you sunder spells.

>>50108324
What the other guy said, although I will say that tower shields are useful if and only if you're going to be building your character based off of using the thing. For instance, a friend of mine is playing a dwarf with a tower shield where he uses the thing for total cover as a means of protecting himself from pretty much any kind of physical attack, and when he gets to higher levels will be able to boost our AC as long as we're next to each other. We've been through 5 levels of Emerald Spire and I can probably count the number of times he's actually been hit on both hands.

>>50108324
Fighter can be good, but you'll need to know a better deal about feats. Also, Advanced Weapon Training is excellent.

In comparison, Barbarian is much better out of the box.

>>50108324
>after buying and reading the 5e player's handbook...
Yes, flee from this place, sweet child, escape before it's too--

>started in on the Pathfinder core rulebook
God, no, why! You're entering an endless hell of spreadsheets and tiers and practically-required 3rd-party content and "GESTALT PLS"

>Tengu
Favored Class Options - Bard, Brawler, Cleric, Hunter, Kineticist, Medium, Mesmerist, Slayer, Spiritualist, Swashbuckler.
Archetypes - Courser (Swashbuckler), Jinx Witch (Witch), Red Tongue (Skald)
Feats - Empty Threats, Lovable Scoundrel
Spells - depilate (bard 1, driod 1, sor/wiz 1, witch 1), fumblestep (mesmerist 1, sor/wiz 1, spiritualist 1, witch 1), lightfinders (psychic 1, spiritualist 1, witch 1)

>Grippli
Favored Class Options - Barbarian, Bard, Medium Oracle, Shaman, Skald, Slayer, Swashbuckler, Witch.
Archetypes - Fiend Keeper (Medium), Poison Darter (Ranger), War Painter (Skald).
Feats - Cunning Killer, Knotted Nets
Spells - batrachian burge (bloodrager 1, druid 1, inquisitor 1, ranger 1, summoner 1), sweat poison (alchemist 2, druid 3, inquisitor 3, ranger 2).

>Catfolk
Favored Class options - Alchemist, Bloodrager, Hunter, Inquisitor, Investigator, Medium, Monk, Shaman, Slayer.
Archetypes - Prowler At world's end (Bloodrager) (<-also won the award for best Archetype name), Ravener Hunter (Inquisitor), Serendipity Shaman (Shaman)
Feats - Graceful Athlete, Lucky, Mobile Acrobat.
Feline options for Vigilante Wildsoul Archetype.
Spells - bit of luck (Alchemist 4, Bard 3, Cleric 4, Pychic 4, Shaman 4, Sor/wiz 4, Witch 4), curse of befouled fortune (Antipaladin 3, Bloodrager 4, Cleric 3, Shaman 3, Sor/wiz 4, Spiritualist 3, Witch 3), pouncing fury (Alchemist 2, Bloodrager 2, Druid 2, Magus 2, Ranger 2, Sor/wiz 2, Witch 2).

>>50108420
>Ratfolk
Favored Class Options - Arcanist, Bard, Hunter, Inquisitor, Investigator, Mesmerist, Occultist, Psychic, Spiritualist, Swashbuckler.
Archetypes - Opportunist (Fighter), Scavenger (Investigator), Swarm Monger (Druid).
Feats - Cooperative Swarmer, Rat Stack, Rending Swarm, Squirming Pile, Underfoot.
Psychic Discipline - Warp.

>Nagaji
Favored Class options - Cavalier, Mesmerist, Oracle, Paladin, Ranger, Slayer, Socerer, Warpriest.
Bloodlines - Naga (Bloodrager), Naga (Sorcerer).
Feats - Entwining Stare, Venomous Stare.
Archetype - First Mother's Fang (Cavalier).
Mesmerist Tricks - Break Stupor, Enchanting Words, Life Reciew.
Spells - greater hypnotism (Bard 4, Mesmerist 4, Occultist 4, Psychic 4, Sor/wiz 4, Witch 4), metabolic molting (Cleric 6, Druid 6, Shaman 6, Witch 6), naga shape 1 (Alchemist 4, Bloodrager 4, Magus 4, Sor/wiz 4), naga shape 2 (Alchemist 5, Bloodrager 5, Magus 5, Sor/wiz 5), naga shape 3 (Alchemist 6, Bloodrager 6, Magus 6, Sor/wiz 6).

Blood of the Beast looks boring as shit from these previews.

>>50108340
Thanks! I'm checking that link out now.
$30 for the Pathfinder book seemed worth it to have a nice paper copy. I can bring it with me and I find it easier to read. The $100 I spent on the 5E books feels like an actual waste. It looks like the first and last session I'll play only lasted 45 minutes. Maybe it'll massively take off in popularity and I'll end up using them again, but I doubt it.

>>50108443
5e is pretty popular, don't give up :D

>>50108443
To make it feel like less of a waste get comfortable with your Pathfinder group then offer the possibility of playing 5e at some point later down the road. We did that in my group and it was pretty alright as a test session.

>>50108420
>>50108433

Prowler At World's End IS a hella cool name, might have to check it out. And I will be very disappointed if Rat Stack has nothing to do with standing on each other's shoulders (large coat optional).

>>50108398
lol
I'm a software developer, so I think I can handle the spreadsheets and endless complexity. I am a little wary of the 3rd party splat books. I don't like the idea of paying for someone's homebrew nonsense.

>>50108491
To be fair, that's what you did already. Pathfinder is homebrew nonsense from 3.5.

Best solution is just don't pay for things, it's easy enough to find online.

>>50108464
>comfortable with your Pathfinder group then offer the possibility of playing 5e at some point later down the road.
This. Fucking this

>>50108491
Many homebrews are actually much better balanced than Core Pathfinder

>>50108443
5e is literally the most popular TTRPG out there right now, it passed Pathfinder sometime last year. It doesn't need a massive takeoff, it needs you to stop being friends with grogs.

>>50108491
Pathfinder requires either a godlike group dynamic or 3pp to even be remotely playable.

making progress at least

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=997768

>>50108482
>Prowler At The World's End must take the Destined bloodline, gains spirit channeling (gives up some bloodline powers), some bloodline powers are delayed, can apply beast shape 4 when raging (at level 11), gains Natural Spell (basically).

>While I really like Prowler at world's end, its got major RAW issues. It grants spirit powers but not medium levels explicitly, so there are several powers that straight up don't work by RAW. It technically doesn't grant the spirit bonus class ability, but it is written as if it does (since it grants spirit surge which does nothing without spirit bonus). This is a pretty major issue.

>>50108519
>Godlike

Not at all. It just needs friends who want to have fun playing together and aren't concerned about balance. It is a means to an end, not the end itself.

>>50108372
I've heard this
>>50108387
and this before

I have to say I like the idea of memorizing a bunch of feats and stringing them together in some cheese fashion, but doing all that to end up with a character subpar to the simplest version of another class would be painful.

>>50108534

Aw, the archetype with the cool name is straight-up busted?

That sucks.

>>50108537
That's the big problem with 3.pf, is that literally most options are traps. On purpose. They're intentionally sub-par so that people who devote hundreds or thousands of hours to memorizing what the best choices are can feel superior to the noob who picked Toughness because he felt like 12hp was too few.

>>50108502
>>...just don't pay for things...
true enough
>>Pathfinder is homebrew nonsense from 3.5
also true

>>50108574
Hey!

Toughness is an ok feat

>>50108602
Apparently there's now a Toughness for skills. So I assume just "feat for more skill ranks/level"

>>50108602
>Toughness is literally the example trap option the devs used while explaining why trap options are good
You fell for it.

>>50108630
toughness is a legitimate take on some builds though.

its not great, i would never say TAKE TOUGHNESS FOR THIS BUILD but if you're like fuck, i don't know what feat to take, Toughness is at least guaranteed to be useful

UNLIKE SOME FEATS

>>50108537
>I have to say I like the idea of memorizing a bunch of feats and stringing them together in some cheese fashion, but doing all that to end up with a character subpar to the simplest version of another class would be painful.

That is the biggest flaw with fighters and why they'll never be better than any other class.

no amount of feats can ever compensate the fact that feats will always be subpar and unable to replicate supernatural and extraordinary abilities.

No feats will ever let you break through DR like paladin smite or inquisitor bane
No feats will ever let you have the combat boost and combat utilities of Rage + rage powers or Mutagen + discoveries

>>50108519
and yet every club and group I can find in this town plays PF. It's not like there aren't people playing either.

>>50108464
Not the worst idea I've heard.

>>50108377
So there a niche thing and pretty much trash otherwise. I can see that

>>50108508
>>Many homebrews are actually much better balanced than Core Pathfinder
great/s

>>50108574

I see your point, but I assume anyone could just look up the cheesiest minmaxed builds online with ease though. Why not do that if you're looking to bully people through PvP in a mostly cooperative game?

>>50108655
There's a number of feats like that. Not the best but you'll get at least something out of them. Things like the save-boosters, toughness, even fucking dodge.

Still better than the feat you thought was cool but will never come up.

>>50108683
Uh. Penetrating Strike and its greater version exist. They're not as foolproof as Smite, but not bad. Also I'm pretty sure Fighters can slap magic shit onto their weapons now. What's it called? Warrior Spirit? Something like that.

>>50107430
Don't mind me, I'm just retarded.

>>50108725
yeah i describe those feats as distinctly O.K.

Not ideal but hey, they do a decent job in slot and won't actively do nothing.

>>50108684
It's not a matter of PvP, it's a matter of "shit I accidentally completely obsoleted the Rogue by taking two spells and a feat, now I have to pretend not to have these abilities so he can actually contribute"

>>50108752
Chained rogues don't actually exist anon

>>50108725
Yeah, Warrior Spirit lets them get their Weapon Training+1 in +X magic abilities. And since Training exists, they can swap out feats as they want. And since Advanced Weapon Training exists, they can grab AWT abilities on the fly. And since Item Mastery is an AWT ability, they can get a bunch of different SLAs on demand.

Is makign a poisoner rogue even viable? I was thinking of it but with the unchained rules it seemed kinda cool

>>50108683
>>50108387
>>50108372

So fighter is basically a barbarian with more homework and best case scenario you end up with the same effectiveness with a little personalized flavor.

What about outside of combat? I've heard something along the lines of barbarians getting more skills and being more useful outside of hitting people. Is that also true? You'd think they'd make the martial class that bests the other in combat be more versatile outside of it.

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>>50107679
>>50107848
>http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=998243
Please tell me about how shitty this is.

>>50108805
Barbarians get 4 skills a level
Fighters get 2.

Do the math

>>50108794
Not really. Alchemist comes closest to a viable poisoner, but even then it doesn't work well with how low the DCs are compared to Fort scaling

>>50108752
>>"shit I accidentally completely obsoleted the Rogue by taking two spells and a feat, now I have to pretend not to have these abilities so he can actually contribute"

>>50108760
>>Chained rogues don't actually exist anon

>>50108574
>>literally most options are traps

>>50108508
>>Many homebrews are actually much better balanced than Core Pathfinder


It's all becoming clear

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>>50108820
>Please tell me about how shitty this is.

>That class list

Oh... Oh god...

>>50108828
4%2 = 0
2%2 = 0
They're even!

>>50108853
There's something called the unchained rogue

Its the rogue but not garbage.

>>50108866
>Its the rogue but not garbage.
Not as garbage

>>50108794
You're better off with an alchemist of some kind desu

>>50108805
Barbarians get more skill points on average out the gate, assuming both the Fighter and Barbarian have the same Int (which is a fair assumption most of the time
Further, Barbarians get access to rage powers and archetypes that enhance their abilities to use different skills, their archetypes tend to sacrifice very little, and the Base Barbarian gets Out of Combat utility through their trap/hazard finding abilities, and ability to dodge traps and hazards better.

Fighters just get bonus feats and can hit things slightly better, but at lower scaling that Barbarians. Recently, their skill capabilites have expanded somewhat due to the release of the Weapon Master's Handbook and the Armor Master's Handbook splatbooks, and some archetypes can be useful (like Lore Warden). However, overall Fighters have a much lower power-floor in both Combat and Out of Combat compared to Barbarians, and if you're unlucky enough to have a Core Only GM, then yo will sadly be fucked.

>>50108853
>>>Many homebrews are actually much better balanced than Core Pathfinder
Sorry, my original statement was supposed to be "3pp" instead of Homebrew. However, the previous statement still applies though..

>>50108878
Nah unchained rogue is a solid t4, fully playable in most groups cause your average group doesn't play optimized chars

>>50108820
You're speaking to a man who's only 3pp experience is In The Company of Dragons. I have no idea whats on this page.

>>50108866
>>50108878

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/unchained-rules

Unchained just means it's using these rules right?

I'm going to develop a halfway decent understanding of these rules and end up finding out that everyone near me is off the chain.

>>50108820
what the fuck even is this.

>>50108907
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/unchained-rules
nope

Unchained means

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/unchained-classes

Its one of these four classes

Monk and Rogue both got buffed

Barb stayed about the same to the point that i don't really understand the point of unchained barb

Summoner got a well deserved nerf

>Check tier list

http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=11990.0


>unchained rogue is t5

I don't even

>>50108913
A Gestalt Character

One side is Incanter 1/ Spheres Wild Sorcerer 2 with Primal Fire bloodline/Elemantalist 1.

The Other Side is Harbinger 1/Sniper Slayer 2.

>>50108923
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/unchained-classes

Thanks, that's easy enough to understand. Well, everything other than the monk. Do people actually play that class?

>>50108923
>Barb stayed about the same to the point that i don't really understand the point of unchained barb
It was a micro nerf, and a simplification, because apparently adding 4 to your Str and Con was too much for some people, plus the new usage of Temp Hitpoints means your Barb won't drop dead from leaving his rage.
The minor nerf is that since you aren't gaining a bonus to Str directly, you lose some skill competency you once had.

>Summoner got a well deserved nerf
Except it was nerfed in the wrong places, hindered and flavor locked the Eidolon, and did nothing to get rid of the Summoner's summon spam capabilities.

>>50108967
the unchained monk is legitimately solid class, unlike the chained.

>>50108963
nigga what

>>50108967
Mostly only to play as very specific archetypes.

>>50108971
You also lost compatibility with Courageous. Furious+Courageous was great on Barbarians.

So if i want to go Master skillmonkey what class should I take? Investigator or Unchained Rogue?

>>50108986
Do you know what Gestalt is?
Do you know what Spheres of Power is?

>>50108995
God of skillmonkies? Investigator. For sure

Inspiration is 100% bae and you're int based for deeps so its all gravy

>>50108998
nigga you got like 3 classes and 4 levels on one half like 2 more on the other

>>50109003
What?
Incanter 1
Spheres Wild Blooded Sorcere 1
Elementalist 1
Other Side
Harbinger 1
Sniper Slayer 2

>>50108963
That's not how Gestalt works anon. Generally, Gestalt means that multiclassing is disabled.
Also
>Incanter dipping
There's a special place in Sphere Hell for people like you.

>>50109030
>Gestalt means that multiclassing i
> Generally, Gestalt means that multiclassing is disabled.
It literally doesn't. You can double up on prestige classes., but you can multi-class.

>>50109023
nigga you said wild blood sorcerer 2 above

>>50109047
>can't double up on prestige classes

>>50109000
Is there a good way to get hide in plain sight for investigator?

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>>50109047
>>50109030

>mfw there are games that let you Prestige while leveling your normal classes

>>50109051
That was a typo, nigga.

>>50109071
you're still multiclassing too much for gestalt just jesus why

>>50109061
no but you don't really need it

>>50109088
I'll just wear a Mask of Goz and have an eversmoking bottle then. Fuck it the mist is rolling in

>>50109080
>you're still multiclassing too much for gestalt just jesus why
Don't blame me blame Spheres of Power for basically requiring you to cheese the fuck out of certain class combos to make certain play styles even remotely viable.

>>50109061
A single level in Shadowdancer
Also, I haven't looked at the Infusion Spell list lately, but you might have something there

>>50109104
>remotely viable

somehow i doubt this

>>50109023
>Spheres Wild Blooded Sorcere
which seems kinda useless, since you aren't casting spells, so spell descriptors that control your Arcana are now pointless.

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>>50109023
>all this dipping around
This smells like a 2hu build

>>50109114
You shouldn't.

Blasting needs static damage dice from Sorc and Caster Level boosts from Incanter because straight XdYs drop off fucking fast without metamagic which sphere casters can't use nearly as often as say Vancian or Psionic manifesters.
>>50109129
Spheres of Power guide confirmed that Arcana that effect damage types still work.
>>50109144
That's pretty much the extent of my dipping though. Everything else is going to be straight elementalist and slayer.

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>All this build bullying

>>50109144
Should've seen 3.5 martials.

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>I'm about to try craftin 45k worth of gear, and only actually pay 20900 for it
>We are level 8
>this is all in addition to the gear I already have, which is probably worth about 25k or more at minimum

Am I... Am I going overboard? I mean, I was allowed to take crafting feats AND a trait based around crafting, but I didn't realize it would be this crazy with so little effort.

>>50109061
The feature? no
But there are lots of methods to just vanish.
Snapleaf is the often go-to item.

>>50109182
3.5 is actually way different because its system actually came to be all about prestiges and dips

pathfinder is more about 20 levels in a char, maybe a dip

>>50109191
BE THE ARTIFICER ANON. MAKE ALL THE THINGS

>>50107848
>>50108528

oni and wuff theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

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>World Forger (Su): (Prerequisite: artisan level 9, minor creation) The artisan may touch raw materials and transform them into a finished product. This functions as polymorph any object using the artisan’s class level as his caster level, except it has a range of touch, always has a duration of permanent, and only turns raw materials, (iron, stone, clay, timber, etc) into a finished product of the same material. This ability may turn steel blocks into weapons, lumber into a structure, etc, and requires a successful craft check in order to create the desired item, object, or structure.

Is... Is this telling me I can touch a huge stack of blocks and make a full functional castle?

Could a properly motivated Artisan with a Moaning Diamond create an entire city using this talent?

>>50109272
What the fuck is a moaning diamond?


Also from what it appears yes you can... but your city could be destroyed with castings of dispel magic.

>>50109304
>What the fuck is a moaning diamond?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/artifacts/major-artifacts/moaning-diamond

It lets you create massive blocks of "raw material" three times a day.

>>50109320
>>50109272
Oh okay so.... you cna create an entire city of the Moaning diamond but if sombody casts dispel magic then your entire city is gonna turn into blocks of stone, wood, iron, steel and gypsum

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>>50105728
Shizuka Kaijitsu's one of Ameiko's younger siblings, more studious and physically stronger than her but still a bit of a disappointment to her dad because she's a shut-in dhampir! She's really good with books though!

Because she hasn't actually done anything with anyone and has only read books on the subject, she's willing to give almost anything a try and has somewhat-unreasonable expectations about it!

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>>50106238
>>50106249
Goddammit those are the pieces I used for MY Ulfen Skinwalker in a game! Good taste.

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>>50109334

Welp, there goes those hopes and dreams.

>>50109359
i ended up using the 2nd one

>>50109362
I mean you could do it if you have some way to boost your cl for the SLA. I mean if you can get it to 20 thats cool. Only archmages can fuck yoru shit up then senpai

Give me something I can use to slap an uppity wizard in the face and knock them down a peg. It doesn't need to kill their character, but something close to it would be fine. They just need to understand that there ARE things and situations more dangerous than them.

>>50109385
Antimagic field cast on a Tetori Monk who grapples the wizard otherwise he will dimension door away and then teleport to his Tower where he plans to ass fuck you to death by creating contingencies solely for you

>>50109385
Mage eater?

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>>50109334
>casting dispel magic reverses an instantaneous effect
wat

since when

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>>50109379

Sure thing senpai, I'll only be using World Forger for quick fixes and fun stuff anyhow.

>>50109385
Throw an arcane bloodrager at him

>>50109385
A thick, veiny, barbarian bbc should do the job.

>>50109427
>except it has a range of touch, always has a duration of permanent

Read sculptor of worlds dipshit

>>50109385
cursed ring of -10 intelligence

>>50109441
I think he was talking about the Moaning Diamond. It uses Stone Shape, which is instantaneous

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>>50109176
There we go, that's the heart of me!

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>>50109336
The question is, Are you the Older younger sister? Or the younger younger sister?

Onryou needs to know.

Also Mythweavers to be nice and organized.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=998643

>>50109336
>>50109452
Not him, but I was looking up dates and shit so my character backstory would be consistent.

Jade Regeant(and James Jacobs if it matters) states that Ameiko is 18 at the start of Runelords and 22 at the Start of Jade Regeant.

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>>50109449

These threads are too short to not be excellent to each other!

>>50109508

So there's a possiblity that my Huge oni girl with the huge tits might be jail bait....

DAMN YOU JAPA- i mean... DAMN YOU PAIZO!!

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>>50109528
>So there's a possibility that my Huge oni girl with the huge tits might be jail bait....

Just make her 16-17, easy-peasy.

>>50109528
Well humans in PF are considered adults at 15, and I think tielfings age the same. So maybe?

>>50109452
Younger-younger sister. The youngest, even.
>>50109508
The timeline of Ameiko is hard-fucked, in the original Runelords campaign she was in her mid-thirties.

>>50109582
This is from that same thread
>http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mpnv?What-did-they-do-to-Ameiko
4689 Ameiko Kaijitsu is born to Lonjiku and Atsuii. She is destined to be the only one of Lonjiku’s legitimate children, and thus the only Kaijitsu scion with a legitimate claim to the Jade Throne in Minkai.
4702 After a disastrous attempt to reconcile the bad blood between her half-brother and her father results in her brother striking her, Ameiko runs away from home shortly before the events of the “Late Unpleasantness” bring tragedy to Sandpoint. Atsuii Kaijitsu dies during these events of a mysterious fall from the sea cliff near her home.
4703 Word of her mother’s death causes Ameiko to return home, but she finds home as unpleasant as ever. Tsuto walks out on the family at the funeral, leaving Ameiko alone with her bitter father.
4705 Aged 16, Ameiko leaves home for the second time to take up life as an adventurer with several like-minded youths. Her adventuring career lasts just over a year.
4706 Rich from her adventuring success, Ameiko returns to Sandpoint to purchase an old tavern, “The Rusty Dragon,” and scandalizes her father by becoming a bartender and tavern keeper.

But this is all for the GM to resolve.

>>50109582

Clearly, James Jacobs is a fan of making 'em young and starry-eyed.

I get the feeling he thinks adventure dies with adulthood.

Ameiko always struck me as around 25. So i'm going with that.

Thus as such i'm going with 21 and a half for Onryou.

>>50109582
Congratulations, you've just became a noogie pet.

>>50109598
>adventure dies with adulthood
Just like in real life.

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>tieflings and dhampir characters in their teens prancing around
>go to see what age I had written in for the tiefling I had written up
>mfw he's 92 years old, because I went by the rolled charts ages ago and am too lazy to pick a new age

Jeez, my character would have been a shut-in for longer than most people in Sandpoint have been alive, let alone the Kaijitsu girls.

>>50109580
The tiefling page lists "Adulthood" for tieflings as being... Fucking 60? The rolled charts are fucked.

>>50109642

Sandpoint has only been around for 40 years, he would've been an original founder.

>>50109642
To be fair, the ages for non-human races are weird; Tieflings and Aasimar are now either like elves in that they take ages to mature, OR they grow up at the same rate as their parent-race and just live for a really long time. Dhampir and the like are much the same, and it's never really been explained as to why there's this inconsistency.

>>50109642
>The tiefling page lists "Adulthood" for tieflings as being... Fucking 60? The rolled charts are fucked.
I thought they errata'd that. They're supposed to age similarly to humans irrc.

>>50109614
everyone will be a noogie pet with all the musclegirls.

>>50109683
My character is older, taller, and dangerously cheesier.

>>50109683

But there's only two muscle-girls!

>>50109711
yes but the wuffgirl is fucking 6'4"

>>50109614
>>50109452
You can't noogie me! I've got too much STR and CON!

Oh boy time to be a faggot
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=996304

>>50109721

I thought woof-girl counted as a muscle-girl?

>>50109728
Hrmm... 2 more con than either of our fisticuffers....

Confirmed for reading while doing crunches.

>>50109728
>You can't noogie me! I've got too much STR and CON!

>4'11

That just means she's gonna get noogied for *hours.*

Any anons that know maneuvers, can you help me? Is there any counter that allows me to parry a ranged attack back to the attacker, preferably usable with a sword?

>>50109728
>>50109748

Gonna pick her up and hold her up like the cute little munchikin she is.