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Brotherhood of the Traveling Helmet Edition
Horusmania Sub-Edition
When your lens go white you know you have seen something serious. When they go red(or redder) you realize you can't wake up from this nightmare.
>>50007077
>HHG FAQs
http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf

>30k TACTICA & TIPS
What to include in a HH list, how to format it, what makes each legion special (crunch), tactics, Tutorials for Heresy-era minis and more
http://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp

>HH Books, Novels and Rulebooks galore
http://pastebin.com/k9uvqsub
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2Ffz1OuHK%2Fcrusade-imperialis-army-lists.pdf.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2FZTK72gs%2Flegiones-astartes-age-of-darkness-army-list.pdf.html
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>/HHG/'s Legion demographics
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764

>/HHG/'s allegiances
www.strawpoll.me/10663447

>Oct 16 White Dwarf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zm71nli980zr97h/WhiteDwarf_Oct16.pdf

>Primarch Popularity Poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/11458318

>Other new links
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww98.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fe6VFn2St%2Ffile.html
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Show me what you're working on.
>>50016668
Gotta be faster than that, Anon.
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After Scoria and possibly Sigismund, do you think there will be more Primarch-equivalent (PEQ?) characters? Personally I think there should be more, but most of my gaming group disagrees.
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>>50016630
well, I'd love to see the dark angels, and the stuff on the custodes/sister of silence
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>>50016690
Sigismund isn't really primarch-tier though. He's definitely the best non Primarch-tier guy, but he's still firmly bottom of the pack when it comes to Primarchs (Primarches?)
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For the anon asking about the EC scheme. Not that great imo, if I played ECs I'd use FWs scheme
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>>50016788
Thanks for the pic, yea I can agree about the FW scheme looking better
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>>50016706
DAs here for you, pretty much the same as IH and RG. The custodes/SoS stuff is about 7 or 8 pages so it might take me a while
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>>50016788
It just seems to lack the "flair" you would expect of an EC paint scheme
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>>50016690
Corswain from the DA might be one, we just have to wait to see what FW will do with him.
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>>50016776
OK then, havent looked into his rules in detail, I just hear he's hard as nails.
Scoria is definitely up there, especially with the Homonculex for backup, which takes him to the right points level. I can see more like him, but other than demons and the Tech-Priests its hard to justify Legionnaires of that power level as they all have Primarchs anyway.
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CUSTODES/SoS DUMP INBOUND FAGGOTS, PREPARE YOURSELVES
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>>50016900
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>>50016690

The only other mechanicum character I see getting into primarch tier would be Kelbor-Hal.

Loyalists mechanicum will never get power characters.
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>>50016911
I can see him being melded to some form of Chaos Engine and using scrapcode attacks like the Contagium Relic, so less of a combat beast and more a supporting/armour-smashing Super-Character.
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>>50016966

That would be pretty cool. I think another Scoria clone would be kind of boring. Make him the Alpharius of mechanicum characters. Some beatstick potential, but mostly support.
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>>50016981
And that's it for Custodes and Sisters
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>>50016986
I want that for new Mechanicum releases generally, at this point. Army has lots of melee and ranged beatsticks already, I would like some buff bubbles and such. But support LOW types are really uncommon due to people expecting a 400pt model to kill almost anything.
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>>50017029

I do wonder what loyalist mechanicum characters will be coming. Assuming FW doesn't ignore BL again, perhaps we will see Koriel Zeth. I just can't think of any characters that were powerhouses.
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>>50017142
We've already got Caleb, he's pretty cool and angry

Didn't Zeth die at the end of mechaicum?
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>>50017164

Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up in the civil war of mars book.
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>>50017000
thank you!
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>>50016788
>>50016833
What of Word Bearers, mein brudder?
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>>50016911
>Loyalists mechanicum will never get power characters.
Can Decima Invictus at least get Archmagos stats?
Can regular Decima get Magos Reductor stats?
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>>50016900
That's a hueg sword, king of swords. I bet it's at least S(User) AP3 :^)
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>>50017381
Ask and you shall receive
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>>50017274
I have been disappointed by BL too many Times to seriously get into the 30k books.
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>>50017430
got Imperial Fists? Thanks for doing this btw
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>>50017430
I feel like that's a bit too bright for their scheme. Makes me feel even better about my dark red. Thanks, anon.
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Someone zippd the bop scans please?
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>>50017430
Is there a painting scheme for all of the Legions, if so WE and DG would be nice
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>>50017472
Are you looking KA? This is what colour Imperial Fists are
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>>50016776
In a 1v1 duel with no charge Siggy out damages Lorgar, but L-dog has IWND and +2 to wounds.
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>>50017395

>loyalist mechanicum
>expecting decent characters

Sorry anon, you are stuck with insufferable mary sues, fetish bait, and a severely under-statted Caleb.
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>>50017543
These are very awesome. Great work man
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>>50017439
It takes place after the Heresy and Scouring. I'm not too sure how long after, but the Inquisition is a major player at this point and it's a fair number of years after the Rubric was cast. It was also before Ahriman seized control of the Brotherhood of Dust and renamed them the Prodigal Sons. Still, great series and I'd absolutely recommend reading them.
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>>50017548

That's assuming Lorgar isn't transcendent. Which I have literally never seen.
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>>50017522
There's one for every legion, except your special snowflake missing legion
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>>50017522
The death guard one is pretty nice if you ask me
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painting guide lists Ahriman and TS as loyalists
Kek
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>>50017570
What book are these scans from?
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>>50017587
Thats actually a really nice scheme.... Im thinking of using the Prospero box set to start on a Pre Heresy Death Guard..... so it looks like this might be the look i go for.
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>>50017643
The new How to paint citadel miniatures: Burning of prospero

It's got painting guides for BoP and all 18 legions as well.
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>>50017565
If I were to field Lorgar, it'd be transfigured. I want my primarch to actually do something other than buff my army and have difficulties with regular marines. Named or otherwise.
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Is there a page for the AL up?
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Hey, have my miniatures up.

Would be willing to sell all together for $300.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/tallwiteguy7/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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>>50017543
I'm always watching.
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>>50016788
The model seems to get lighter from stages 5 to 6, even though apparently nothing's been done to the marine itself between these stages. Is this some optical illusion from the lighter base or something?

The raven guard in the last thread had the same thing. It's weird.
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>>50017587
Would you kindly post the IW page?
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>>50017667
It's a departure from FWs metallic scheme, but I think it's nice nonetheless

And anyway, it's not like the AL were known for sticking to one scheme
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>>50017731
Posted it last thread, but here ya go my man
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>>50017733
Could you please post the IW one
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>>50017717
I think it's a change in lighting, the background gets brighter too
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>>50017753
Thank you, my dude
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>>50017564
I honestly have too much on my backlog of books at the time to get into BL now anyway.
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>>50017753
Night Lords?
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>>50017673
Fuck off with shilling your ebay scalping you pointless, namefagging, cunt.
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>>50017485
How do you paint your guys?
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>>50017826
The Lightning is really nice on this scheme
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>>50017880
Is there a Blood Angels version?
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>>50017543
Oh my god. I feel so bad for anyone following this guide. Layering Yriel Yellow onto white is pure pain and for 9 out of 10 people it'll come out super-spoltchy.

t. Someone who figured out how to paint yellow without wanting to kill themselves.
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>>50017974
Yes, and?

>>50017570
I kind of feel like the paint team dropped the ball on this one.
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>>50018007
Namefags contribute by offering cliffs and threadcultural landmarks.
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>>50017880
plz smurfs
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>>50017673
Typical rightwing gunfag
Go back to your interracial cuck porn
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>>50018321
Thank you anon
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>>50018045

So what's your method, Mr. t.?
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>>50017854
Someone asked about it I think a few threads ago.

>>50018048
look harder.

>>50018217
I don't look at cuck porn. POV emo, like burning angel.
Also, I am Libertarian, so more like middle.

I do try to be helpful with peoples questions, comments or concerns, but I also try not to talk about things I don't know.|
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>>50017900
Yeah, sorry it took me so long I zoned out looking for a new haircut
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>>50018484
Prime in yellow, apply four or five extremely thin coats of Yriel Yellow while crying, highlight with White Scar, and then glaze with Lamenters Yellow. Do a second highlight on the highest portions with White Scar and then glaze it all again.
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>>50018568
Are the tears necessary?
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>>50018557
Just looking at that now, why did they add yellow to BA? And I bet painting yellow over a red base is a bitch
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>>50018579
Yes, you use them to thin the Yriel Yellow to the correct consistency.
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>>50018557

This saddens me that WB, BA and TS are all the same with different trim

>>50018475
>>50018538
>>50018565

If you aren't going to contribute to the thread meaningfully then please leave. We have enough shit posting from Magnus/Yiff/Bitter Anons without your help.
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We've had threads that had curzefag, RG bro, Uni and Al simultaneously that didn't get this shitted up with namefag hate.

>>50018557
>tfw Pretty legion has to steal IW bolters
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>>50018592
Okay, are we talking single manly tear, or the torrential downpour of a post-breakup teenage girl?

And how hard is it to paint the red over it?
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Can't you guys just make a /hhg/ IRC channel and use it for meta discussions instead of cluttering the threads with bickering and shitposting memes?
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>>50018609
I think its that the other namefags either offer something or have some kind of personality
AWG has nothing and is a cunt about it
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>>50018619
Choking sobs mostly.

The red isn't hard at all. I used some Vallejo red that's meant to mimic Khorne Red and two thin coats (i.e. the regular amount of paint you need) gave me good coverage.
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>>50018642
Cool, thank you I am going to steal that for my shoulder markings on my Wolves
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>>50017878
I follow this scheme:
Grey undercoat
2x coats of Signal red
Dry brush mithril silver
Baal red wash
Serephim sepia
Nuln oil
Then scratches with mithril

Picture isn't my minis, but it's the same colour.
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>>50018598
It's as bad with RG, IH, and DA. I definitely feel like WB should be khorne red, not mephiston.
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>>50018557
Thanks a lot for looking for this anon and no worries about the wait.
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>>50018706

It feels rushed, as do most things that GW does now. Like they looked at the paint stand and went "We have one work day to paint all these guys. But we can only use 30 pots total"

Then you have FW that is "Thousand Sons: Base in gold then wash it 4 times in red shader. It takes forever but it looks nice"
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>>50018620
It'd be better than the shitfest that we usually get.
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>finish reading Deliverance Lost
Good book, I thought Corax was an emo fuck but hes actually great

>Start reading Know No Fear
Really not digging this format even though it features my boy Argel Tal (who did nothing wrong)

Should I keep reading it?
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>>50018754
I have a feeling the painters were told that they could only use certain colours, as most of the colours across the schemes are the same, probably to make it easier for beginners
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>>50018754
>It takes forever but it looks nice
That is the main difference between FW and GW- GW's kits are faster to build than FW's, but FW's models look better. And the same generally applies to their paint schemes or tutorials
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>>50018773
KNF is awesome bolter porn, the ollanus side plot is awful but it doesnt take up much space, i liked that book.
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>>50018724
And they receive our praise. Meanwhile, shitmasters like yourself and the thundercunt spamming the same post repeatedly are shitting up the thread more than AWG has since he's been here. Worst thing he's done is post his Ebay link and that can possibly help someone out. Jesus fuck, it'd be better to have the same old argument about axes than the pasta.

>>50018755
KA made a name for himself and it's stuck. He may not use a trip, but we know him now. I just want people to stop shitting up threads because they're unhappy about a name.
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Can we stop talking about namefags? Could we do that? Are we all reasonable human beings capable of doing a simple task like that? I like to think we are. I do however like Curzefag even if she did rape me in my dreams, and came back to me pregnant seven months later in the dream.
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>>50018609
The fact he is an emo k/ fag makes people think it's a potential school shooter
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>>50018825
HHG must not descend into the age of the Anonymous that shits up threads
>>50018844
Uni still owes a-lemon-y :^)
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>>50018802

Hey Jayne! How are you doing?
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>>50018863
He can keep the kid. Maybe raise it to be a proper IF.
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>>50018844
Maybe when the time comes for Breadanon to be deliver us, but todays /hhg/ is cancer and little can be done about it now.
>>50018863
I never understood the Curzefag/Uni slash meme.
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>>50018877
Good, how are you?
where do I know you from, or did you grab my IP and name?
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>>50018863
I wish that a lot of the anons shitting up threads would use a trip so I could filter out their garbage. I just want some quality posts and not this whining about someone wanting to be identified.
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On first expedition Laurie Golding confirmed that custodes are still being recruited in m41
So it's seems the battle under the Throne is still raging
I think tales of the carrion throne will show this
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>>50018889
>Maybe when the time comes for Breadanon to be deliver us, but todays /hhg/ is cancer and little can be done about it now.
Khorne, you are talking to him.
>I never understood the Curzefag/Uni slash meme.
It's a joke I started up here. http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48754325/#q48754325
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>>50018889
I think Breadanon simply wanted a flashy summary for that thread and said that Curzefag was pregnant but didn't remember if either Unification or myself was the father. I simply happened to show up, so Uni was assumed to be on the run, escaping from the responsability
>>50018878
Let him be an Iron Fist. Be whatever he wants to be, as long he sieges well.
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>>50018889
I always shipped uni & alacran

It freaked them out

Got me in the OP of the next thread though so all in all it was worth it
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>>50018924
There you are.
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>>50018911
So it was your fault.
>>50018918
My vigilance flickered for a moment.
>>50018924
So it was YOUR fault.
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>>50018453

Now it's me, Jayne.

Are these games anything like D&D? Newfag here, looks pretty interesting.
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>>50018904
Good contribution to the thread my guy but we're currently having namefag reminiscing hour so try again in the next thread
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>>50018918
>I think Breadanon simply wanted a flashy summary for that thread and said that Curzefag was pregnant but didn't remember if either Unification or myself was the father. I simply happened to show up, so Uni was assumed to be on the run, escaping from the responsability
It was plus I was at band camp and had to come up with something quick before going back to practice.
>Let him be an Iron Fist. Be whatever he wants to be, as long he sieges well.
If the kid gets a Typhon before his tenth birthday you're spoiling him.
>>50018938
>So it was your fault.
Yep. Sorry, Uni.
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I've seen the error of my ways and have adopted a name
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>>50018904
Well why wouldn't they be recruiting? We don't know about the genetic stability of those made with the flesh of Emps Himself. Or maybe those are casualties...
>>50018953
As long as it's not this Typhon it'll be alright. But Ungle Morty is sanctioned to visit.
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>>50018981
It is relevant to this thread, so you're doing good
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>>50018953
>If the kid gets a Typhon before his tenth birthday you're spoiling him.
>Not presenting you're newborns with Typhons standard issue.
>>50018940
>>50018981
I'm beginning to be reminded of that one episode of Red Dwarf where the computer got replaced by a much worse version.
>The moral of the story is: Appreciate what you've got, because basically, I'm awesome..
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>>50018940
Think D&D but instead of one character meticulously crafted, you have a whole army at different point levels. There is a lot less variety of 'worlds' or games to play in, but you are also now not really fighting generic monsters controlled by a GM, but another lovingly crafted army.
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>>50018992
>As long as it's not this Typhon it'll be alright. But Ungle Morty is sanctioned to visit.
That is fine.
>>50019007
You're spoiling the kid that way. He needs to earn it. If the situation calls for it he may get to at least point in the direction for the crew to fire at.
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>>50019007
>I'm beginning to be reminded of that one episode of Red Dwarf where the computer got replaced by a much worse version.
So, the Iphone 7 that lacks audio jack and the Exploding Samsung?
>>The moral of the story is: Appreciate what you've got, because basically, I'm awesome..
Oh so true. Oh so true...
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>>50016680
A few tips for the tartaros:

Assemble without the 'hood' so you can paint the helmet

However, dry fit the hood on when you glue the shoulder pads otherwise you might not have enough room for the hood. Found this one out the hard way.
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>>50019039
3rd party conversion for a Combi-weapon?
Also, thanks.
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>>50019039
Why paint the whole helmet if you only ever see the front part?
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BoP was a mistake
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>>50019110
/hhg/ was a mistake

Take it back to /40kg/ lads, we're done here
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>>50018321
that gold looks more like silver, I actually like it better
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>>50019063
I have a lot of left over 'plasma' combi bits from an anvil industries order. They fit on the side well with minor trimming.

>>50019092
It's mostly for the eye lenses if you model them looking to the side. Plus it depends on the position of the head, you might not be able to reach visible parts due to a curve, the hood edge, or a higher detail blocking your brush.
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>>50019110
>Is almost certainly going to duplicate B@C's feat of outdoing AoS single boxcorneredly
>Possibly via AWG alone
>Got us rules and models for Custard 6 months early/a quarter of the pricce
I see no problem.
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F.U.C.K.I.N.G

S.A.T.U.R.N.I.N.E

when
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>>50019188
I'd buy a few boxes.

>inb4 buy the old metal models.
I don't think I could paint them well enough, or take good enough care of them for me to own them.
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>>50019210
I just want termis with two heavy weapons

and don't lie, we know you. You'd buy 10 boxes.
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>>50019188
>MOAR PAULDRONS = BEST ARMOUR EVER
Give Saturnine.
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>>50019039
That model is pure sex, I want 20! Only flaw is that I have to go around buying assault cannon bits for them.
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>>50019235
No, I would buy two. I don't need nor field that many terminators, even with my crazy 1,000 marine force I want, I only want 75 terminators.
I already have 25. I'm good for now


Speaking of terminators, how should I model the 20 NOS Tartaros I have now?
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>>50019256
Blood Dakkas or Imperial Fists?
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>>50019235
>I just want termis with two heavy weapons

We must get heavier! A full squad with heavy weapons, like the new jetbikes! Options for Heavy Bolters, Volkite, Plasma Cannons, Reaper Autocannons, Heavy Flamers or Assault Cannons for BA/IF!

Y E S !
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>>50019256
Strange, a long while ago nobody liked it. They were all blind
>>50019299
That's what Saturnine should be.
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>>50019188
>Saturnine Heavy Terminator Squad
>3 models base, new models at 65 PPM, no unit tax
>4/4/4/5/2/4/2/8/2+ (t5 2w terminators, basically)
>saturnine pattern terminator armour, 2+ 5++ very bulky, can reroll invulnerable against shooting but not assault, can't be improved by external sources i.e. pavaise
>comes stock with power weapon, volkite charger and carapace heavy bolter
>hand weapon from the support squad lists, carapace weapon from heavy support squad lists
>can do the medusan immortal thing with shooting instead of doing a sweeping advance
>Saturnine combined tracker
>can fire carapace weapon at BS-1 at a seperate target to the hand weapon, or at full BS at the same target
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>>50019343
sounds reasonable enough
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>>50019343
Nah, just make it have 4++ and able to sweep, and able to be taken by any model with access to terminator armour for the same cost.
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>>50019343
LOW to help balance?
There has to be some sort of cap, otherwise with Pride of the Legion this would be so ridiculously over powered.
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>>50019377
Oh yeah, meant to be another 0-1 HS slot, never troops, never scoring.
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>>50019397
Mayyyyybe scoring, if taken with a primarch or some other extremely point heavy unit, specifically for games 4k+ where the opponent can either out gun or out body the Saturnine Terminators
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>>50019343
Mmm not entirely agree. T5 but W1. I'm simply biased to rerollable invulns so I won't touch that, but give him a Carapace weapon and rotor cannon that can (and will) be swapped for any of the Tactical support squad's weapons. So they'll be super expensive.
0-1 HS
>>50019397
Give the IW a 0-2 Artillery squad :^)
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>>50019435
True, it is nearly 200 points for 6w with shit weapons though
>>50019452
Rotor cannon can be swapped for Charger for free, basically they start with the basic weapons of both a tac support and heavy support squad. If you start layering the points into them with not-shit weapons, they'll cost >100 points, so 1w would be destroyer-tier badly overcosted
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>>50019452
>>50019343
What comes in the box? Would you have each both only cover half of the weapons possibilities like the current Devestator box, or would this be a ' heads and shoulders' box like the FW armor marks with the extras being different upgrade packages?
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>>50019452
Nah disregard me. It'll be too powerful and (yet again) outshine Tyrants.
Make them like Cataphractii that can overwatch at -1BS. Heavy bolters feel weird on termies, and plasma cannons are too iconic of the Deathwing. Because Deathwing just have to get Plasma Canons
>>50019481
Huh, I guess price would be the limiting factor
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>>50019343
I think they should have the option to take a PF, LC, or CF. Not that anyone would, but it should be there.
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What do you think so far /hhg? I've tried brown and grey for the leather and wasn't too pleased. I think the darker red works though.
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>>50019502
>What comes in the box?
>FW
>Boxes

Anon pls.
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>>50019299
>Options for Heavy Bolters
DA Saturnine Termies dual-wielding relentless Heavy Bolters firing molecular acid rounds.

Game's over infantry, you can just go home.
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>>50019502
Box is just basic termi armour, no weapons

You have to buy weapons separately, and only one of each type of weapon comes in each pack.

Welcome to hell
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>>50019511
"Bare ceramite" colour confuses me.
>>50019520
>Dark Angels can break the game with using Heavy bolters
>Everyone can use Tyrants better than IW
Bitterness
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>>50019511
It's looking real nice, give it some corrosion and battle damage as well.
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>>50019511
It looks great, the colors pop off of the white well.
The only thing I have to say is about his left thumb knuckle, it looks a little over drybrushed.
Otherwise, 9/10 would field.

>>50019512
Well FW style, you know what I mean
>>50019535
The gigantic shoulder pads are seperate too
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>>50019502
Full, hyper-detailed FW resin, one for bodies and one for each weapon set-so you'll need four FW purchases for each of body, carapace, hand and melee weapon. Dollars for the Dosh Lord! Shekels for the GW god!
>>50019510
Yeah, sorry, meant to add that in.
>>50019506
They would cost an absolute bomb. Want PFist, plasma gun and plasma cannon? 100 PPM for 2w. Even more for lascannons. Think of anything worth 525 points. swap this for saturnine, you get five lascannons and plasmaguns. They'd be an expensive, easily tarpitted anchor to build a heavy infantry army around, and not much more.
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>>50019549
>"Bare ceramite" colour confuses me.

How so? Because one source says DG got ceramite colour suits (white), other that Knights Errant got ceramite colour suits (grey) or that Grey Knights have ceramite colour suits (silver)? What's confusing about that?
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>>50019603
>DG saturnine with flamers and heavy flamers

Because you didn't want to charge them anyway, did you?
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>>50019608
>How so? Because one source says DG got ceramite colour suits (white), other that Knights Errant got ceramite colour suits (grey) or that Grey Knights have ceramite colour suits (silver)? What's confusing about that?
I don't know anymore, anon! It's as if Bare Ceramite was an Alpha Legion colour...and I think they have taken to the field like that.
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>>50019656
Then they're restricted to template range and have little-to-no options for transports
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>>50019656
>>50019603
And this is why I would want 10
5 with Flamer/HFlamer, 5 with Plasma/Plasmacannon.
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>>50019656
>>DG saturnine with flamers and heavy flamers
Both with Chem, in ZM
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>>50019608
The way I see it, DG ceramite starts grey but due to never being cleaned or fixed up dulls to their current colour

KE actually have ceramite armour, nothing special

GK polish their armours super hard between battles, making it shine like that

Then again it's a futuristic made up material so what do I know.
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>>50019682
>The way I see it, DG ceramite starts grey but due to never being cleaned or fixed up dulls to their current colour
>KE actually have ceramite armour, nothing special
>GK polish their armours super hard between battles, making it shine like that
Then who has white-ish ceramite, anon? WHOOOOOO
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>>50019665
They don't need any of that, just pod them onto an objective and watch as your opponent has no way of taking it from you.

Use the rest of your army to take out his artillery and vidicators, gotta be all about that intra-army synergy.
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>>50019706
>They don't need any of that, just pod them onto an objective and watch as your opponent has no way of taking it from you.
>600-ish pts get swept
Would they be able to be teleported? I say the bulk allows it.
FOR A PRICE
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>>50019702
Fuck, I don't know, someone here is lying about having bare ceramite
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>>50019738
And the grey legions you see in the HH books are supposed to be unpainted ceramite too...yet it looks like steel?
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>>50019671
>800 points without melee weapons
I mean, itd be nasty to deal with, but you're still only putting out five smallblasts a turn. not super scary.
>>50019706
>pod
How? Kharybdis fits, what, six, meaning 600+ points and two HS slots to hold an objective with twelve t5 wounds that can get medusa'd/typhon'd/vindicated just as easily as any other terminator. They'd be tough as hell against small arms, but they're still infantry

i just want saturnine pattern obliterators
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Looks-wise which one of these should I go with?

Also is there anything I can do to improve them?
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>>50019786
>I mean, itd be nasty to deal with, but you're still only putting out five smallblasts a turn. not super scary.
So, like Full Fulmentarii with Cyclone and Combimeltas? That's 750pts with power weapons, 800 with power fists.
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>>50019859
>Looks-wise which one of these should I go with?
Both. That's it, both. That IW there, Dantioch-tier or better.
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>>50018045
I followed that guide except with reikland fleshshade and I think it came out pretty smooth and alright.

Sorry for the 40k model. and the shit photo.
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>>50019859
Cont. I'd tak that SoH as official paintscheme as well.
Mind giving your recipe? Ploz
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>>50019859
Holy shit they're perfect anon

I'd say go with the SoH, they're pretty rare around here, but honestly you got the schemes nailed there, nice one.
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>>50019859
I'd reduce the eye-lens glare or choose a different colour for the SoH but besides that some very respectable paintjobs there
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>>50019702
I've finally updated that with decals.
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>>50019928
Nice. You placed him in the Lascanon squad?
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>>50019896

Kabalite green -> Sybarite green/Lahmian Medium 50/50 on top parts -> Coelia Greenshade wash -> Sybarite Green Highlight Sybarite Green/Screaming Skull 50/50 highlight.

Painted some Agrax Earthshade into the deeper recesses for extra depth as well

>>50019899

Thanks man.

The things weighing against SoH for me is they take 3x as long to paint and we already have a SoH player in our group.

Still undecided though, but Beep Boops might end up luring me to the IW's

>>50019918

I'd prrobably make the SoH's eyes more red and less orange in the future, tyo make it match their legion icon better.
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>>50019957
Either them or the squad of Mk IV missile launchers I have in my queue.
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>>50019964
Niiiice. Can we get your IW recipe as well?
>The things weighing against SoH for me is they take 3x as long to paint and we already have a SoH player in our group.
Local meta is a thing to consider as well. But no SoHs are alike, especially because everyone disagrees on which shade of green to use.
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>>50019964
Thanks anon.
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>>50017753
That's actually a really nice Iron Warriors scheme. Thanks man!

Don't really like how they did the eyes though.

Dank Angels?
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>>50019989

Basecoat leadbelcher -> Wash entire model Agrax Earthshade -> Wash Recesses Nuln Oil -> Highlight Stormhost Silver

Yellow is Averland sunset -> Yrirel Yellow -> Screaming Skull -> Seraphim Sepia wash
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>>50020034

Already posted DAs here my man, >>50016833 desu I'm not big on it I think you can find better schemes online
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>>50020040
Thank you anoooooon. Ferrum Honore Veniat!
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>>50016788
>>50016833
>>50016900
>>50016910
>>50016926
>>50016943
>>50016956
>>50016969
>>50016981
>>50017000

>mfw went out and bought the ePub five minutes ago because I thought no-one was going to dump.

My faith wasn't strong enough...
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>>50019883
Hey I'm glad! It looks great to me, I've just had no luck getting a smooth yellow colour with a brush.
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>>50020116
Have faith, word buyer
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>>50020065
I agree, actually. That's a pretty meh scheme they have there. I expect Duncan to do a better one.

The Alpha Legion one is pretty nice, but the green glaze ruins it.

The Iron Warrior one is actually pretty good in my opinion.

>>50020116
Give us a pdf, friend.
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>>50019565
Holy fuck I told you yesterday you would shit up threads with your fucking trip. I fucking told you I get up and surprise. Look what you did to the general.
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>Adds another fully upgraded spartan to Saboteur's tally

Alpha Legion might not have the most amazing legion specific units, but hot damn do they have one of the best consul upgrades. A saboteur, specially in combintation with Dynat, is among the best and cheapest ways to fuck up somebody's spartan holding a deathstar.
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Imperial Fist here. How should I equip my 10 Cataphractii and 15 Tartaros Terminators?

I'm thinking of the Cataphractii I could do the following with the intent of teleporting next to a priority target and trying to burn them off the field in a wave of plasma:
4x Combi-plasma + Chainfist
4x Combi-plasma + Power Fist
2x Plasma-blaster + Power Sword

For 10 of the Tartaros I'd like to do:
10x Thunderhammer + Storm Shield

But I have no idea what to do for the remaining five.
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>>50020390
Remember you're one of the only two legions that have access to assault cannons on terminators, babyyyy.
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>>50020388
Its due to those fuckers that i don't bring many vehicles these days, or if i do then its a Leviathan in a pod chasing down Dynat turn one.
>>50020390
I would drop two chainfists to regular fists on the first lot, and maybe run them as two squads of five if you have the slots.
Thunderhammers are an overly expensive upgrade for your dudes, run power fists/solarite gauntlets instead. Also, FW says you can't have storm shields on Tartaros armour.
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>>50020197
Not even Czfag did such a grand job.
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>>50020390
Tartaros cannot take Storm Shields, RAW and possibly RAI.
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>>50018441
Drawfag here, I feel the names are not necessary, but I also won't be assblasted because somebody does use one.

Onto other things...

I've been working a bit on the design for the space wolf guy, but it's been a very busy week and busier weekend. Might have something to post here tomorrow night.

I feel the books helped develop Corax more as a tragic hero than the whiny depressed kid many see him as.
I like it, and seeing him slowly break was quite nice.

>>50018825
Don't forget the 4 (four) BoP boxes and the hundreds of muhreens

>>50019859
I really like both. Gonna steal that pic for future reference.

>>50020116
Well, dump it then, do it for /hhg/
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3k Ultarmarine Pride of the Legion

Legion Champion
Artificer Armour, Legatine Axe, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field

Matter of Signals, Artificer

Invictarus Suzerain x5
PhobosArmoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Extra Armour

Tactical Support Squad x5
Plasma Guns, Artificer, Melta Bombs
Rhino, Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Bolter

Veterans x10
2x Combi-melta, Machine Killers, 2x Missile Launcher, Artificer, Vexilia
Rhino, Heavy Bolter

Veterans x10
2x Combi-flamers, 2x Heavy Bolter, Vexilla, Marksmen, Artificer
Rhino, Heavy Bolter

Apothecaries x2
Artificer

Contemptor Dreadnought x2
Chain fist, TL Autocannon

Rapier Laser Destroyers x3

Heavy Support Squad
Missile Launchers, Artificer

Heavy Support Squad
Volkite Culverins, Artificer

Bobby G

One apothecary with the Suzerain and Champion, and Girlyman, other with Plasma. The MoS sits with either heavy squad to buff either. Giglyman gives the heavy squads or dreads, tank hunters or scoring. Any ideas and critiques welcome please.
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>>50020532
why the heavy bolters on the Veteran Rhinos? if you're machine killing I'd want to have a multi-melta so I can just totally fucking nuke something, or have the opportunity to fire first with the dedicated transport to pop the enemy transport (and with a melta it's a good chance) and then finish off the rest.


Or put a heavy bolter on the machine killer rhino and a multimelta on the marksmen rhino. that level of symmetry arouses me.
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>>50020456
>>50020468
Despair, but also despair.

>>50020456
I usually do PotL so I could totally split those into two squads of five Cataphractii. When I start doing IF with allied IW it's going to get a little more dicey.

If Isstvan Campaign Legions is still the latest rules for IF it says only independent characters can take Solarite Gauntlets unfortunately.
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>>50019511
It looks pretty cool but you have a wierd texture all over the white
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>>50020667
Heavy bolters have the best range and can still shoot if snapping to activate interlocking tactics for the vets and heavy squads. Basically have teams for anti personnel and anti tank
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I love the look of Autocannon heavy weapon squads but are they any useful at all in 30k or is Melta, las and plasma king?
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>>50020887
They are good at popping light vehicles.
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>>50020887
Autocannons are good for dealing with light vehicles and infantery alike. Unless everybody in your meta is running nothing but fully pimped out spartans and multiple wound terminators, autocannon HS squads should always be usefull.

And besides they just look gorgeous, that's the only real reason you need.
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If take my betrayal at calth word bearers to a tournament and use them as CSM, will i get kicked out?

>inb4 CSM sucks
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>>50021030
as long as everything is modelled appropriately i doubt it'll be a problem
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>>50020887
depends entirely on the sort of vehicles you go up against

contemptors/land-raiders: autocannons suck
anything lighter: autocannons rock
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Hey, so I traded away my circle orboros for two betrayal at calth boxes and want to get in to 30k. Can I make a decent army from this or should I pick up something else to compliment it?

Also they're unpainted and I'm not married to any chapter. Any suggestions which chapters' aesthetics best fit these plastics? Or which to simply avoid because they're way off the mark?

Much appreciate any advice I'm totally new but jumping in to a league in December.
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>>50021127
Read the helpful links in the OP and the tactica on 1d4chan to get your bearings, then come back with more solid questions than 'how does i 30k?'
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>>50021127
>Any suggestions which chapters' aesthetics best fit these plastics?

Any chapter, MkIV is just the succesor to MkIII (duh) so all the legions that you might think are using MkIII are also favoring MkIV, Imperial Fists, Death Guard, IW perhaps to a lesser extent. Beyond that its all up to you as all legions had all armor marks in their disposal, either as prototypes or newly made.

Pick a legion you like based on paint scheme and play style.
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>>50020526
Nothing wrong with lots of boxes and marines. I plan on doing the remnants of the Salamanders anyway, so I'll be needing a lot of marines. Probably about 4 boxes for me as well, then just get the extra marines from Ebay.
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>>50021168
I'm goin thru them. Just wanted to put in an order with FW tonight have about $150 to spend lookin for one or two solid purchases thats all.
>>50021187
Cool thanks. I just saw photos of death guard and their helms are totally different, and the new space wolf ones in prospero etc thought maybe it was best to avoid certain chapters.
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>>50021127
Two baC boxes can make you a nice Pride of the Legion list, which makes Terminators and Veterans Compulsory troops!

All legions used all marks of power armor, though some favored others more. What you should do is go with whichever one you like most! As all of them use the Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness army book, there's nothing to worry about other than the legion rules!

>>50021187
Actually, MkIV isn't really the successor to any mark, but simply a new/different model. MkIII was specialized for close quarters and boarding, which was why the Death Guard and surprisingly the White Scars used it a lot, as during the Heresy they were doing many a Zone Mortalis mission!
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>>50021251
White Scars had alot of MKIII because they would fuck off for half a century then come back for supplies after they brought some worlds in bumfuck nowhere to compliance. They didn't have too much in terms of logistic support or supply lines.

>>50020668
Amazing chest ahead!
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Since DG chapter equivalent is the great company, what would be their company equivalent?
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>>50018675
I realize many hours later that I forgot a pic.
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>>50021314
It's never actually stated but I go with Century, with 2-5 Centuries forming a Battalion. That's just me pulling things from the Legion organizational charts in Betrayal though.
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>>50021314
>Since DG chapter equivalent is the great company
Great Companies are like 10 000 strong, I'm not sure their chapter equivalents are really an equivalent.
The EC Chapter Master equivalents are called Millenials, so Centuries could be the Companies like >>50021382 says
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Can tamiya smoke be applied with a regular brush?
i'm looking to replicate the FW iron hands paint scheme but dont have an airbrush, which the official recipe for them calls for
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>>50020116
Can you post the ePub?
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>>50021556
Nope, it'll look like shit.
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>>50019859
Iron warriors and I'll need you to share that sexy iron warrior armour colour scheme recipe to paint mine like that.
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>>50020887
I run a cheap, barebones unit of 5 with my World Eaters. They almost always get their points back, and at the very least work as a good distraction and harrassment unit.
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>>50021669
shitting dick nipples
any idea for something else that might work?
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>>50022168
Never found it >>50020040, great painting skills anon
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>>50022209
If you can't afford an airbrush, just try Tamiya smoke in a spray can. No idea how it'll turn out but that seems like your only option.
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I regret nothing.
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>>50022395
That looks terrible.
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>>50022395

Head too big.
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>>50022395
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>>50022432
>>50022435
C'mon you can do better than that. That's like calling water wet.

>>50022439
Better
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>>50022395
You should.
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>>50022395
Looks like a dwarf
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>>50022395
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>>50022395
He needs a grav-surfboard.
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does that painting tutorial have one for white scars?
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>>50018773
Yeah, keep reading Know No Fear.
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>>50019188
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Is it just me, or do Iron Hands kind of suck nowadays?

>Solitary Legion buff is ignored by Plasma/Medusa spam, cheaper assault units, Sniper Vets and Phosphex Mortars everywhere etc
>Have two downsides unlike most Legions, neither of which are crippling but can limit mobility
>Admittedly tough characters, but can still be ID'd by a single lucky Power Fist (unless they're based MoonMan)
>Rite of War is okay but spamming Outflanking Land Raiders/Spartans/Sicrans, the main benefit, gets expensive quick
>Unique units are very resilient, but still only 1W each and have limited damage output unlike the Justaerin or Deathshroud

I'm not saying we need to be the best of everything, being the 'tough' Legion is fine by me. We have good characters too, and Ferrus or Autek can certainly make dirty lists. But I wouldn't say we're top-tier any more, and of the fully-released Loyalists we're probably towards the bottom.
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Need advice and I always get a brutally honest opinion here: I'm repainting my Knight Gallant to fit better with my Imperial Fists for a 2500 point list. I'm taking the Gallant because I think of him like a giant robot version of Sigismund and this appeals to my Pacific Rim loving side. Now should I paint him like pictured contemptor with yellow shoulders and then give him a yellow fist, or should I go for a boring more fluffy Mechanicum red or knight household blue color.
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>>50023393
give him one fist yellow pauldron and the rest of the paintjob admech colours
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>>50023375
take a praetor with grav-gauntlet/jetbike/familiar/iron halo/paragon/thunderhammer/digilasers
outflank a pair of vindicators
take a fuckhuge gunline for the rest of the points
watch them cry
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>>50023393
Change the knightly household livery to include a lot of yellow.
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>>50019039
Holy shit, is it bad to actually like this model without the hood more than the one with said yood? Cus god damn it's sexy.
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>>50023393
On another note, that's some messy basing, KA. But I'd say go with the typical Mechanicum colours with a yellow pauldron and fist like >>50023408 suggested.
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>>50023408
>>50023692
so are we talking a yellow pauldron on his right side and then the rest red? I've never seen a knight like that and I wonder if the colors would clash. I'm also thinking about just doing hawkshroud but with the same yellow I used for my fists so they all match.

also yeah seeing the image blown up on my screen reminded me there's more work to do in the morning.
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>>50023715
Every model gets worse when you photograph it. It can be absolutely perfect with not a single mis-stroke of the brush but point a camera at it and boom, mistakes everywhere. I think there's some sort of imp responsible.
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>>50023749
Just like my ex girlfriend, some things are just not meant to be seen that close to your face.
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>>50020887
Heavy Support Squads (not counting 35pts unit tax) compared to 40k Devastators (not counting sergeant without a heavy weapon tax):
>heavy bolters 20ppm vs. 24ppm, 4pts cheaper
>heavy flamers 20ppm vs. can't be taken but would be 24ppm, 4pts cheaper
>autocannons 25ppm vs. ???ppm
>missile launchers 25ppm vs. 29ppm, 4pts cheaper
>multi-meltas 30ppm vs. 24ppm, 6pts more expensive
>plasma cannons 35ppm vs. 29ppm, 6pts more expensive
>volkite culverins 30ppm vs. ???ppm
>lascannons 40ppm vs. 34ppm, 6pts more expensive
>grav-cannons ???ppm vs. 49ppm

With this in mind and with the prevalence of armoured ceramite and 3+ armour, I'd say that missile launchers are king purely in terms of points.
Autocannons by comparison cost the same and are worse against 3+, better against 2+ and 4+, equally good against something with 3+ and 5++ invuln/cover and better against 3+/4++ and beyond. Autocannons don't cause instant death against T4, though. When trying to glance down vehicles they're better against AV10-12, equally good against AV13 (but missile launchers can penetrate them) and useless against AV14.

All in all, I'd say autocannons are pretty damn good.
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>>50023393
Does it matter what we say? You're going to half-ass it and then complain about it either way.
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>>50023807
Are you okay anon? Have my toys hurt your feelings? If you want a safe space the reddit 30k community is growing but you might wanna check that grumpy attitude at the door :|
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https://regimental-standard.com/2016/10/26/prospero-what-really-happened/
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>>50023828
>If you want a safe space
Very ironic considering how butthurt you just got over a simple insult, Gaius_Gracious.
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>>50018773
It's good but I don't remember Argel tal in it
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Are Missile Launchers the best option for Iron Havocs?
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>>50023828
So I take it you're an admin over there considering how asshurt you are when people congratulate you on your Iron Warriors.
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>>50023924
Maybe the poor cunt is just sick of people ragging on him all the fucking time

"YOU'RE PLAYING TOY SOLDIERS WRONG KA"

Let him have his stupid paint scheme in peace
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>>50023393
>>50023715
I think something like house mortan could work quite well, if the idea of going back to painting black doesn't trigger you too much. There's enough yellow there that it'll tie in with the rest of your force, but it's still an individual design and not an obvious copy of the marines' scheme.

However, house mortan canonically wasn't reunited with the imperium until M35, so you may have to fudge things a little.
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>>50023778
Rispetti le donne
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>>50024144
Why haven't they realized just how stupid it is to do that?
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>>50023778
You two broke up?
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>>50024144
It's because he keeps posting questions all the time, even though he doesn't want any actual answers. He's just seeking validation for every single thing he does.

>hey how should I paint these guys
>try doing X, Y or Z
>no but it's hard though, I'll just use this shitty technique

>hey which models should I buy
>how about X, Y or Z
>no but they're expensive though, I'll just do this fugly conversion

>hey how's my list
>try fixing X, Y or Z
>no but I don't want to though, I'll just keep using this shitty/cheesy/unfluffy list
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>>50023839
DELET THIS
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>>50024313
Can't handle the truth?
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>>50024282
Unfair. His fugly Caestus is FW made. And isn't he following st Duncan's WE guide?
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>>50023393
Please tell me you'll at least apply a wash to the metallics and do the raised embellishments on the plates a different metallic tone... you're already doing such a pathetic bare minimum that that one little step could make things... halfway acceptable.
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>>50023419
please describe this "fuckhuge" gunline for me sir
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>>50023875
Stop being a creep
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>>50024452
It's impossible not to recognize his models elsewhere
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>>50024382
Not that anon, but if you don't like the bike praetor, I usually run one with tartaros, iron halo + familiar along with a tartaros command squad. His weapons are similar to his, though.
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>>50023419
something like this:
head of the gorgon row
praetor with aformentioned kit 290
tactical squad, rhino, multimelta 175
tactical squad, rhino, multimelta 175
legion rapier x3, grav cannons 225
mortis boxnaught, twin lascannons 155
mortis boxnaught, twin lascannons 155
javelin speeder x3, cyclone, hk missile x2, 195
predators x3, lascannon sponsons, squadron command tank, 380
vindicator, dozer blade 125
vindicator, dozer blade 125
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>>50024382
misclicked
this one >>50024526 is adressed to you
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>>50024505
>>50024526
thanks anon I've been trying to get around a 2k list for HH
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>>50024377
All I did last night was build up several layers of thinned leadbelcher over the original paint because i was tired of the shitty bright yellow. Washes and colors will be tonight if I get the time. Just wanted to keep working on this 2500 pt list before my Prospero boxes arrive.
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>>50024543
it is my own list and it is tuned to my preferences
it can be tweaked thou
say you can downgrade rapiers to laser ones and drop squad commander upgrade from predators
this allows you to upgrade boxnaughts to contemptors
or you can drop lascannon sponson for heavy conversion beamers
or whatever your meta calls
don't take it as a staple
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>>50024567
yeah ive mostly been having trouble figuring out what actually works in this opposed to 40k
I like a praetor on a bike, maybe throw some other few things in there
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>>50024526
I don't like the speeders there. They don't benefit from Iron Hands' special rule and have too few HPs to see any effect of blessed autosimulacra.
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>>50024619
>I like a praetor on a bike
he's a fucking beast, believe me
usually i roll a trait from the "personal" table and when i get "feel no pain" one things get real shit real fast
t6 3w 2+/3++ fnp on a jetbike is practically invincible and he's more than capable of soloing even an imperial knight
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>>50024662
The time of WAAC bike mounted bike-mounted-brickwall units has come.

You'd take a fucking formation if you could, you little cheesefaggot.

I guess I can't blame you though, /hhg/ has been nothing but 40kids champing at the bit to minmax and find THOSE SWEET COMBOS BRO since the start.
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>>50024678
you'd start minmaxing if your meta were like mine
how do you like 5 knights at 2k anon?
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GW issued updated formations so sisters of s and custodians can be in battle forged
Kek
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>>50024707
holy shit that's incredible. 30k knights or 40k knights? I'd love to see pics of some of those bastards.

>>50024678
>complaining about nigh invincible special snowflake characters in Primarchs: The Game
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>>50024662
yeah T6 with a -1s to all shooting against him while also being a beast in melee
>seems like smashfucker is to be rebirthed in 30k, and is better/cheaper
>>50024678
>>50024707
minmaxing is just partof any game that has stats. I mena again the problems are with how the game is balanced and not players taking advantage of rules.
I'm not the same anon, but I don't like formations either. too bad as long as EVERYONE takes them I have to as well to play a 5 turn game
its like people bitching about flyrant spam when they run double demi or some shit
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Kheres Mortis and Cortus with 2x DCCW

VS

2 Cortus/Contemptor both with Kheres +DCCW

Which would you take?
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>>50024906
>Kheres Mortis and Cortus with 2x DCCW
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>>50024728
Relevant to 40k, but there's no formations in 30k.
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>>50024906
>>50024916
Should mention that I just have some spare B@C dreads, and looking to fill gaps until resin gets here, not that they're my first and only choices
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>>50024762
Isn't he actually T5 but ranged attacks get a -1S to him, effectively rendering a little better than T6 against ranged? (as in T6 with a -1S to ranged is better than T7, srry for the confusion)

>mfw you can bring Necrosius in 30k by giving a DG witchbrarian with Enfeeble some rad grenades and the Thurible for -3T
>mfw a Praetor attached to that unit would ID T5 using a Paragon blade
>mfw any model with a Rad Furnace could be added for a T4 instadeath on anything unfortunate enough to be touched by both squads at the same time
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Has anyone link to The Either Horus Heresy audio drama?
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>>50024981
yeah I made a mistake thinkinghe was bast T5 for some reason
>I need to figure out how to kit out a jetbike squad with an apothecary for lulz
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What's better?
>10 man seeker squad (255 points)
>10 man tactical support squad with plasmaguns (325 points)
>10 man seeker squad with combiplasmas (355 points)
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>>50025003
Use a Primus Medicae instead. Or an Endurance Librarian for FnP4 and Eternal Warrior.
I feel like those Thousand Witches Biomancers (Pavoni?) will be used a lot
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>>50025152
It depends on what you want them for, and what the rest of your list is really, you can't just ask "whats better"
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>>50025183
Indeed. Mathhammering can at best tell you what is killier, not outright better. What are they for, >>50025152?
If you're asking about the best way to use AP2 rifles, maybe it's be plasma guns, as they can move and shoot and rapid fire.
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>>50025183
Ranged AP2, basically, for shooting up any terminator squads/primarchs/other stuff with a 2+ save that are wandering about outside their transports. Barebones seekers would be taken mainly for their scorpius shells, in other words.
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>>50025230
If you want solid raged AP2 for deleting big scary units, go with the seekers and combi-plasmas. They've not failed me so far in earning back their points in games, preffered enemy and sniper shots are lethal in taking out primarchs/praetors. I like to give the sergeant a plasma pistol as well as he cant take a combi-weapon.
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>>50025258
Gotcha, thanks.
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>>50025152
Combi-plasma for deleting one specific unit out of a rhino/drop pod/deep strike/outflank
Regular seekers for general AP2 where you're able to get a good position to stand still and shoot stuff
Tacsupp for when you want combi-plasma seekers but don't have enough FA slots, because let's be honest, a unit full of plasma guns won't be able to shoot more than once before getting shot/charged off the board anyway so you might as well go for BS5 with PE and precision shots
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Hey guys, you seemed to enjoy my last little battle report on my apocalypse game, so here's the first game of my groups next campaign. Just for reference, Loyalists are my shattered legion (WS & BA), IH again, and now outlander blackshields. Traitors consist of IW, AL, and DG.

My first game was 750pt zone mortalis against AL, the game was a custom made, where you had to pick up a relic and bring it back to your board edge. Capturing it gives D3 VP and a bonus later in the campaign. We didn't have much time to play, so we said after turn 4 the station the game was set on was going to be bombarded by the IW and everyone still on the board would die.

I had a BA delegatus, WS librarian, a squad of WS veterans and a squad of BA veterans, and my rite was the Chosen Duty one. The AL player was running Headhunter leviathal (the mad bastard), with two Headhunter squads and a delegatus.

Turn 1
>WS vets and librarian push straight towards relic, I tried to move the BA vets and delegatus round the side to flank the headhunters.
>AL delegatus and squad of headhunters also start heading for relic, other squad starts heading towards BA

Turn 2
>WS libby and vets run up, sergeant picks up relic, BA vets and delegatus take potshots at Headhunter squad and manage to achieve sniper bullshit, killing the Headhunter sergeant but nothing else.
>bad idea running up, as AL delegatus and headhunters come into room, and other squad comes in through side door, meaning WS libby and vets are caught between an nasty crossfire. Most of the WS vets die, Libby and sergeant survive thanks to Artificer armour (fuck you banestrike), amazingly they pass morale test.

Turn 3
>Think "fuck it, they're all gonna die anyway"
>Libby had rolled iron arm and warp speed before game
>cast both
>Libby charges Delegatus and Headhunters on his own, they try to overwatch, but he doesn't give a fuck
>7 attacks, 7 dead headhunters

Pt1/2
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>>50024748
>I'd love to see pics of some of those bastards
nope sorry
i must say that it was a single event when one of our players gathered all the knights of the community and brought them to the tourney
should i say he won?
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>>50025676
pt2/2

>WS sergeant and remaining vets start legging it trying to get back to the board edge
>BA and delegaus start to back off while keeping the corridor with the second headhunter squad in covered in case they try and escape
>AL headhunters and delegatus fail morale and try to fall back
>Get gloriously swept by librarian
>thatwentbetterthanexcpected.jpg
>Remaining headhunter squad backs out of room, starts shooting at BA and delegatus

Turn 4
>Librarian runs for AL edge of board to try and escape
>rolls shittily on his run distance, so he's stuck which means hes dead
>WS vets escape to our board edge with relic, meaning I've won already
>BA run for edge of the board, only just making it
>remaining headhunters also escape, but again only just

Shattered legion wins in the end, but we ended up ruling that the Librarian survived but was captured by headhunters, so that we have a nice little plot point that can come up later in the campaign.

I honestly think it would of been a completely different game had the AL gone first and the librarian not managed to cast his powers. The board was so small and the game so short it was more about who was the quickest than the most killy. All in all a good game, the ext game is another ZM game of Blackshields vs DG, I could post that when its played sometime if /hhg/ wants it?
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>>50025676
>Traitors consist of IW, AL, and DG.
Don't make me root for the traitors, anon.
>Libby had rolled iron arm and warp speed before game
>cast both
>7 attacks, 7 dead headhunters
Fucking witcheeeeeeees
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>>50024762
>the problems are with how the game is balanced and not players taking advantage of rules
exactly
fucking playtest your shit if you don't want people to break the game
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>>50025815
The IW player's only just started his army, so if he doesn't have enough models by the time we get to the big games he's said he'll do an army of dark compliance using his cults army from the last campaign.

The thought of potentially coming up against hundreds of cultists again but this time backed up by IW artillery scares me greatly.
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>>50025881
>The thought of potentially coming up against hundreds of cultists again but this time backed up by IW artillery scares me greatly.
That's fluffy IW you know.
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>>50025897
Just because it's fluffy doesn't mean it doesn't scare the shit out of me

We've already decided the final game is going to be a giant vehicle battle, tallarn style. We're trying to see if we can borrow a friends warhound for the traitors. I'm simulateously scared and excited. Scarecited.
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Still busy so no new 'real' general.
So have a shitty heresyween one instead.
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>>50026058
I like it, it's real spoopy
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>>50025794
>another ZM game of Blackshields vs DG
Going to be rough on the Blackshields - though if it's the same mission then they might be okay, what with the DG sucking at running.

Sounds like a cool battle, and very cinematic with the Librarian getting his powers off and going to town on the Headhunters.
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>>50026058
Headless horseman is meant to be (spoiler)Iron hands(/spoiler) right?

Cowardly Lion for (spoiler)Jonson(/spoiler)
Swamp monster = (spoiler)Mortarian(/spoiler)
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>>50026167
hey buddy, Ctrl+s. Or square brackets.
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>>50026137
We haven't decided what the missions going to be yet, the story so far is multiple mechanicus stations are in orbit around a planet using DaoT technology to prevent the planet being sucked into it's star.

We've pretty much already written off that mission, as the DG player is probably going to bring more flamers than you can shake a stick at. Maybe the blackshields could win with some deep-striking bullshit but we doubt it

The librarian going ham on the headhunters is the only reason we decided to say he's still alive for the purpose of the campaign, we plan on having a mission at some point where the WS have to try and rescue him before the DG have him possessed by a greater daemon.
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whats the best way to kit out a 20 man bolter tac squad sergeant?
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>>50026292
I'd say AA+power fist so that you don't get tarpitted to death by a Contemptor, or AA+power axe+melta bomb to be slightly better against vehicles with the melta bombs and better against MEQ/TEQ with power axe+bolt pistol, at the cost of being unable to instant death T4 and being worse against admech robutts.ยด

Subject to change based on legion-specific rules and equipment, naturally.
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>>50026058
>Not even one skeleton
8/10 good but needs more work.
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>>50024313
It's funny because now it's actually true thanks to GW latest retcon.

thousand son fags on suicide watch
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>>50026178
why is it unpainted around the heavy bolter turret
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>>50027112
It's time for afternoon bread.
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>>50026167
I don't know why people write Mortarian and Perterabo
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