EDH/Commander General

>>50016310
Your fucked up, OP.

Second for Boros will never be good

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mrs-steal-yo-girl-2/

>>50016331
What else is new

>>50016331
In what way?

>>50016342
Akiri is good right guys... artifacts...

>>50016342
>Expecting that the two most combat oriented colors will get a noncombat commander.

>tfw burying my opponents in virtual card advantage with faithless looting

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Xrd for fucking with control players

>>50016360
Akiri is playable when paired up with silas

How's Dralnu?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gahijis-unstoppable-dragon-army/

Post some zur's lists

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>tfw you decide to make a new EDH deck, and your typical style of making decks is to throw in everything you like and then cut it down
>tfw do this for Alesha, and end up with a 190 card main deck to cut down

I need help.

https://deckstats.net/deck-11512126-73a35ccbdac4e2b4fd0c1b95d0fb30c0.html

Okay, so I'm looking to build a third deck. Right now I have Niv- Mizzet and New Ezuri. My initial budget is whatever cards I already have + $100. So far, I was kicking around:

>Azami do shit and draw my deck
>Talrand SPELLSSPELLSSPELLS
>Yidris Storm
>Karlov value train

Or something else? Nothing really grabbing me right now, but I know I want another deck. Any thoughts or suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghaves-anatomy/

any suggestions to cuts or adds?

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kek

>Thats a nice equipment you have there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it...

>>50016597
>Body and Mind
Why'd they pick one of the worst ones?

>>50016494
Dude, you really do need help. I would scrap it and start over, and really, REALLY evaluate what each card does before I add it to the list. What does it do? What advantage does it provide? What do i think when I see it t2? T5? T10? It's a long process but it works.

>>50016509
Looks good. I have no idea what goes in Ghave, but it's fine? I guess?

>>50016639
Because spell is Blue and Sword of BnM is gives pro Blue?

>>50016688
So does F&I and it's arguably the best of the Mirran swords

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>>50016597
HES GOT A SWORD!

>>50016715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiS9Inm1oBs

>>50016639
>Why'd they pick one of the worst ones?
Who picks which sword goes in the art?

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>>50016715
You idiots, we've all got swords!

>>50016597
God I love this card but it's just way too situational to play it. You can equip your own expensive thing I guess but eh. If you're playing equipment you probably already have something to put it on.

>>50016639
It was one not chosen to be reprinted in modern masters. This represents the fact that the mirrans who had the swords were defeates and lost them. The two reprinted in modern masters never were captured by the phyrexians. Also since its body and mind the mirran who had the sword was likely making a tactical descision to weaken new phyrexia by taking out their big guns like ezuri, glissa and atraxa.

>>50016494
Best cutting process: assign everything to categories based on what it does, making up the categories based on what you need to do. Then cut the worst cards from each category until the list is sub-99.

>>50016769
Wotc. Back in the day the artists got card name and a quick description of what they wanted, which lead to some funny misunderstandings. Now they get a ten page document.

What are some cards you're adding to your decks you already have from C16? I didn't notice anything for Teferi Planeswalker, but i know I want to try Duelist's Heritage and Tymna in Karlov, and maybe Orzhov Advokist.

>>50016769
>>50017177
Design makes the card, Creative makes the art/name/flavor text and Development makes decisions regarding the set, blocks, and powerlevels.

So im gonna guess Design (MaRo's team) made the card but creative put SoBaM on it, with Development giving them the OK. A decision on which sword to depict was either made by Creative for arts sake (colors/concept) or by Development for marketing's sake (Its easy to distinguish/they want to save depicting the other swords for better cards). The people who design the card have almost no say in the outcome of the final product.

>>50016356
It should be "Cardgames on Motorcycles."

>>50017351
>Heartless Hidetsugu
Runehorn Hellkite
Frenzied Fugue
>Rubinia Soulsinger
Faerie Artisans
>Gonti LOL
Magus of the Will
>Queen Marchesa
Cruel Entertainment
maybe Duelist's Heritage
maybe Selfless Squire
maybe Frenzied Fugue
maybe Curse of Vengeance
>Karona
maybe Ash Barrens, but probably not

>>50017416
I forgot runehorn Hellkite. Almost definitely going in my Daretti. Probably fugue too.

>>50017177
>some funny misunderstandings

some example?

>>50017487
I'm sure someone else can explain the lemurs

It also resulted in Kamigawa's fun "oh but it doesn't have flying"

>>50017487
One time, they asked an artist for a drawing of a lightning bolt hitting a drake.

The artist sent back a image of lightning bolt hitting a drake, but drake as in a male duck.

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>>50017487
And since nobody's offered to do the job for me:

In Ice Age they asked for lemures, which is a french type of ghost or something. The artist gave them a scary-looking lemur.

In Time Spiral, Norin the Wary made the same mistake.

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>>50017487
I'm sure the massive documents they send artists nowadays are to prevent pic related kind of thing from happening again.

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this is only really tangentially related to EDH but do you think this is a good design to put on top of a custom deck box? it would be engraved into wood, this is just a mockup

i'm not very artistic so this is all i could think of

need a recurrable sac outlet for atraxa. is evolutionary leap the best choice? i guess i'm looking for replacement effects or life gain with no drawbacks

>>50017671
His art is pretty neat though

Shame he's a fucking lunatic Nazi

>>50017739
It's kind of busy. Simple might be better.

>>50017739
Ditch the walker symbol

>>50017749
depends on what kind of saccing you need to do. i personally only use sac outlets that don't cost anything to use because a lot of my saccing is reactive on other people's turns while i'm tapped out (no, you can't exile all my dudes, i'm saccing them)

anyway, ashnod's altar, phyrexian altar, phyrexian tower are pretty much the best sac outlets.

>lifegain sac outlets

all the ones i know that do this are pretty bad and they cost mana to use. really, it's better to get lifegain some other way

i don't really know much about sac outlets outside monoblack and colorless though.

>>50017790
>>50017812
yeah i had trouble fitting the center symbol in so i might get rid of it. but i feel like there should be something in the middle. or maybe i should put in the guild symbols instead, but that would make it even busier

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>>50017739
just a suggestion

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>>50017847
yeah that could look good

the thing is that it looks busier than it really would be because of the line thickness in the mockup. in real life, they would look a lot more like pic related, a lot less busy

>>50016494
I had a karametra deck on Tappedout with ~240 cards at some point. I deleted it and said never again. A few weeks ago I pulled Karametra from a random pack. I can't figure out what to do with her.

>>50017786
You misspelled awesome

>>50017890
Enchantress

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>>50016410
>fucking with control players
>doesn't have hexproof

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So anyone have any tips for building him?
Other than the cards that will already be in the deck, that is.

>>50017890
If you dislike having friends, you could build Karametra with a lot of manadorks and boardwipes. You retain mana and search for tons more.

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>>50017671

>>50018019
>caring about hexproof
Found the control player

>>50018019
But they wont want to cast non creature spells to avoid that entire 2 damage!

>>50018039
Yeah man, that was the point.

>>50018025
I hate to point it out, but the non-black commander is literally gay niggers.

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>>50018025
Really, part of the reason they're workable is they have 8 toughness for four mana -- people are underestimating the fact that whatever threats they're giving your buds won't as likely be coming at you. So you can continue the theme of pillowfort with stuff like Protective Sphere, Fog Bank, Propaganda/Ghostly Prison, etc. Doesn't matter if they have resources if they're not coming at you.

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>>50017487
This is only sort of what you asked for, but the art description included dwarves. The artist sent back goblins and WotC didn't have time to commission someone who could follow directions. Creative got snarky in the flavor text.

>>50018102
A popular youtuber actually just did a video about SJWs in MTG.
So it doesn't surprise me that there's some sort of political agenda, even if it's really not that big of a deal.
>>50018113
Why are people underestimating the fact that the enemies will attack each other rather than you (and then you clean up what's left)?
Isn't that the point of the strategy?
Or do people think you won't be able to take down the opponents that you helped? That seems kind of unlikely though.

>>50018256
They literally just don't look at their body, just their ability.

>>50018293
Even their ability alone would convince your opponents to keep you around.
I think those people are just being dumb.

>>50016494
Fellow Alesha player here.

1. Find all the creatures with power 2 or less. Keep the best ones with ETB abilities or cards that affect the board when they hit. Scrap the rest. Theros gods are useless, unless you have room for Iroas. Praetors aren't great.
2. If you have to, run maybe one planeswalker. They're clunky and Alesha mostly likes creatures. Creatures are great.
3. Seriously if it has more than 2 power it has to be really good to make the cut. Reveillark, Restoration Angel, Sun Titan, amazing cards.
4. Cut a lot of the combat enchantments. You will never need all of them, trust me.
5. I'm not a fan of mana rocks in this deck. Most of the creatures end up being very small but powerful, and this leaves you room for more dudes.
6. Your average CMC should probably be lower than 4. Not an expert but maybe that's a bit too high.

I'm not telling you how to build the deck but my Alesha deck has gone through changes over the years and the more creatures, the better, in my experience.

>>50018025
You could just draw into any number of combos ie. Kiki-mite while shutting down aggro with cards like Silent Arbiter and Stoic Angel.

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>>50018256
>>50018341
>not taking out the group hug player first
>But I'm helping you!

>>50018411
Except no one will help you and you'll just pull agro because you're trying to get rid of other players' card draw and mana ramp.
That's like saying let's get the unemployed to vote libertarian so we can end the welfare state. It aint gunna happen.
That's the point of the strategy.

>>50018442
Group hug decks are literal cancer. They prolong an already long fucking game and either just let the combo player win, it or get pissy when you do anything to them.

For real, this group hug sharing is caring why are you attacking me when I'm giving you cards let's all ramp into oblivion bullshit needs to end. If you don't come to the table to win, then get the fuck out of my house.

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how many wincons is too many wincons?

>>50018488
But group hug does come to the table to win.

>>50018488
TL;DR grouphug is gay, like the card. You people crying about sjws need to stfu this cards flavor is on point.

>>50018505
In EDH? 101

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>>50018025
Oh yeah

>>50018505
If your opening hand is all 6-mana wincons, you should rethink.

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>>50018025
How about Defender tribal in addition to the usual group hug?

>>50018596
>>50018665
Interesting.

>>50018665
Can't play Ghave or that tree that puts a guy at 13, so that's a dissapointment

>>50018690

There is his brother, the tree that puts you at 13. Use him and get a 0/40

>>50018705
Two trees are better than one

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>>50018690
>Ghave
Whoops, meant Doran

>>50016310
CARD GAMES ON FREAKING MOTORCYCLES! YOU HAD ONE JOB OP AND YOU DONE FUCKED UP.

I'm sorry that was rude... but your post is shit. And so is mine.

>>50018256
>A popular youtuber actually just did a video about SJWs in MTG.
Link? it's fascinating to me that this is discussed in places that aren't here.

Is Hardened Scales worth a slot in decks with a lot of counters?

>>50018798
If you're putting counters on one at a time, then yes. Well, usually.

>>50018787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJwMI0pBsU

This is his main channel though.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-yewGHQbNFpDrGM0diZOLA

>>50018256
>>50018787
I think it was DesolatorMagic, who's actually a fucking idiot

>>50018723
Why haven't I seen a edit of that macro with "VERY fast tree running at incredible high speed"

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>>50016494
Here again.
Took >>50018363 advice, here's the new look:

https://deckstats.net/deck-11513390-fdfbea56a372d9e247c1eef66d9cb7e6.html

>>50018723
I like that flavor text

>>50018855
>DesolatorMagic
I already follow that guy, he's great. I listen to his self-important masturbatory rants any time I start to forget why I don't go to events or stores to play.

>>50018928
Doran is one of my and probably many people's favorite legend. It's a knockout in every way.

>>50018937
He hates EDH

>>50018952

It's not a knockout in every way, doesn't feel very black, but it's definitely a knockout in flavor text, art, and as a rep for his treefolk tribe

>>50018488
>Group hug decks are literal cancer.
Group hugs that don't seek to win are cancer, those that seek to win are just another deck.

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So who's planning on making a Patner deck? And if so who's your pair and why?

>>50016881
No way man. Worth it just to take things off at instant speed. You can make an instant blocker too.

My playgroup is WAY INTO equipment so this will always be relevant. Especially for all the hexproof/shroud-giving shit on generals

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>>50019194
I'm going to try Ishai and Ludevic.
Just to see if I fucking can.

>>50019246
Ludevic looks alright, but Ishai? Why? He's terrible.

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>>50019271
>Ludevic
>RU

>>50019271
It's because he (she?) is terrible. I feel like Ishai will fly under the radar enough to get some sort of value, and by the time that happens, it'll be too late.

Also, what part of "because I fucking can" do you not get?

>>50019271

Ludevic is worse than ishai

Ishai is difficult to get value from but ludevic is actively negative and hurts your chances of winning when in play

>>50019295
His ability is generic but you can still cast Rise from the Tides and other mad scientist stuff. Plus he has a zombie horror to partner up with. Quit your bitching.

ive been playtesting the new commanders and i will just say this... yidris is fucking crazy good and others dont even come close

>>50019101
Doesn't he own a store? I'd hate EDH too, who here ever buys packs? And after this year's shitshow, who's even gonna buy the precons.

>>50019327
Plenty of people play Howling Mine, anon.

Plus he provides an incentive players to attack each other instead of you.

>>50019331
I hope you've got ways of giving him Double Strike, making him unblockable/huge, ways of making additional combats, and Strionic Resonator.
and Maelstrom Wanderer

>>50019358
You know what else makes a good incentive to not getting attacked? A good creature capable of combat. A 1/1 deathtouch is probably better, and doesn't help your opponent get cards.

>>50019194
I want to pass Ravos around like the slutty twink he is.
Ravos and Akiri for some kind of artifact and artifact creature reanimator

Ravos and Vial Smasher cast big stuff, sac big stuff, cast big stuff again

Ravos and Reyhan counters on everything

>>50019378
and yet i didnt even need to rely on those things cuz in a 4 player game there is always one person with their shields down to attack through... honestly yidris is savage man

>>50018882
Looks better, I would still cut Ankle Shanker. Kind of underwhelming when I tried him, especially since reanimating him doesn't cause the ability to trigger and it usually dies at that point.

One more tip, it baffles me that you don't run any of the red rummaging cards like Tormenting Voice, Faithless Looting, Wild Guess and Cathartic Reunion. They've given me so many turn 4 kills with Master of Cruelties.

I'd still cut some more enchantments and a few boardwipes but you're getting the idea.

>>50019415
Most of what I meant was to make Yidris hit more than once, so that you could stack cascades on all your spells.
Yes, connecting with Yidris multiple times makes multiple cascades on your spells.

>>50019358

Howling mine is guaranteed draw for you and your opponents if you want to force them to draw

Ludevic puts your opponents in control of their draw, and leaves you empty handed if you can't deal damage, also rewards them for paying life

Kami of the crescent moon can be built around with stax but ludevic is worse at doing the same thinf

Not to be that guy to bring up the upcoming precons but which of the new precons has the best 99?

>>50019112
Ok, yes, he doesn't feel that black. I don't really know why treefolk were black in Lorwyn anyway. And they seem to have arbitrarily decided that black can do toughness matters. But I agree, not very black.

>>50019329
His ability reads generic, but actually what it says is "play red and blue wipes and board control + evasive dudes". I think Ludevic is quite a bit underrated. Not the greatest ever but fine. I think people are warming up to him in general after getting over the initial disappointment of him not feeling very Ludevic but in a very roundabout way.

>>50019352
He sells online. He's an immense retard:
>Only been playing since M15
>Claims to know everything about the game
>Thanks Cryptolith Rite should be banned from Vintage
>Plays against the xmage AI and complains that everything ever I'd OP and should be banned

Guy is fucking awful, and an alarmist to boot.

>>50019461

The black for treefolk makes more sense when you read the lore of colfenor, but Doran himself doesn't really feel black on the card

Not a problem though because he's so great in other ways, especially his simple synergy with treefolk

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So I'm new to commander and Progenitus is my commander please tips on building a deck around him such as mana base mana ramp and shit like that, I have a commander tournament tomorrow so any help would help thanks

>>50019485
Well, not just evasive dudes but really any consistent cheap source of damage. Evasion is his synergy with Kondo and Kraum, but for example people posted him with Vial Smasher which would be another way to do it.

>>50019566
>Running Meme Hydra when you could be running Child of Alara.
That Aside your mana base shouldnt include more than 4 basics of each color depending on the rest of your 99. without a decklist we cant help much.

>>50017645
>>50017671
>>50017530
>>50017516
>>50018035
>funny

>>50019607
I have Child but if I make Child as my commander the effect won't go off if she is put back in the commander zone

>>50016646
Evaluating each card individually for it's value. My friend actually has the same deck building strategy, and he is insanely good at building decks.

>>50019485
I'll never get over it, sorry. I wanted zombie artifacts and no amount of "don't swing at me you silly boys :^)" will scratch that it.

Okay, since 4 colors are buzzing, and mana fixing is at an all-time high, can I get a comprehensive lexicon of unofficial names for land cycles? I could be wrong on names,but so far I know:
>Duals
Alpha/Beta lands, have two land types, no drawbacks
>Shocks
Ravnica lands which also have two land types, but come in tapped unless you pay 2 life
>Fetches
Onslaught and Zendikar lands, tap, pay a life, and sac to fetch a land of one of two types
>Panoramas
Alara lands who allow you to pay 1 mana, tap, and sac to fetch a basic land of one of its type. One for each shard, so far none for wedges. Honourable inclusion could be terramorphic expanse / evolving wilds, which are much more open ended, and don't require extra mana.
>Tricolor taps
Alara and Khans lands who simply enter tapped and add any of 3 colors
>Guildgates
Return to Ravnica, one for each two-color combo, enters tapped, adds one mana
>Heal lands
Khans/Dragons of Tarkir, pretty much guildgates, but you gain a life on ETB.
>Signet Lands
Odyssey, Ally-color pairs, produce two mana, but takes a generic mana to activate
>Tango Lands
Battle for Zendikar, ally-color pairs, have two land types and enter tapped unless you control two or more lands
>Fastlands
Scars of Mirrodin and Kaladesh, two color pairs, enter tapped if you control two or more lands
>Checklands
Innistrad and core sets, two color lands enter tapped unless you control a land whose land type corresponds to one of its colors
>Flashlands
Shadows over Innistrad, ally color lands who enter tapped unless you reveal a corresponding land type from your hand, I've also heard one referred to as a check land.
>Painland
Ice age, Apocolypse, lands which tap for a colorless, or can tap for one fo two colors, but deal a damage to you. Tempest had a functional reprint, but ETB tapped
>Karoos
Ravnica, two-colored lands which add two mana, but ETB tapped and require you bounce a land.

So what am I missing?

>>50019419
I was avoiding the red rummaging spells for 2 main reasons:
1. I don't see them as really re-usable enough to be included in an EDH deck, except maybe Faithless. The only reason I keep most of the instants and sorceries that are still in there are because they're either exile or board wipes.
2. I do have Wheel and Reforge the Soul, as well as Buried Alive in the deck.

What server does /edh/ play on Image? I've been playing on Woogerworks.

>>50019703
>Tango Lands
>Battle for Zendikar, ally-color pairs, have two land types and enter tapped unless you control two or more lands
These are called dublands, but other that I think you've got a great list here.

>>50019703
Forgot the scrylands from Theros. Most people hate them but they hold a special place in my heart.

>>50019712
Xmage*
The person who made spell-check needs to be shot.

>>50019686
Don't put it back in the command zone.

>>50019747
>>50019686
This your running 5 color use the retrieve from graveyard cards in black and green and you should do fine also.
>Playing competitive commander

>>50019712
>>50019735
i also play on woogerworks sometimes when i need to test out new decks. the EU server is more populated but it crashes like once every hour or so. i don't know why people play there. just yuropoor stupidity i guess

i get really upset when i play the game on xmage though, it's very sad

>>50019194
Silas & Kydele. BUG artifact goodstuph

>>50019691
Yeah, it's tough, but I'm getting better at it. Trying to build decks as 75 cards instead of 60 + 15. Same in commander.

I've got to do the same thing for my Niv- Mizzet deck soon. I've got a buy list of about 11 cards I want to put in, like Mind Over Matter and Mercurial Chemister, but I don't know what to cut yet.

Soon I will be a deck building master. Soon.

>>50019733
good taste I liked the scry lands quite a bit. They do not cost much and lets you scry which early game can help a bit.

>>50019714
No, they are tango lands. He had them right.

>>50019733
I'll take scry lands over Fastlands and Checklands in 3 or more color EDH. The ETB untapped conditions are so situational I'd rather fix my draw than roll the dice on it entering untapped.

>>50019793
Damn straight. I've also been saved by flooding by them once or twice in the late game, though I guess a cycling land would have been better in those situations.
>>50019810
Good point.

>>50019714

I have never heard anyone call them dublands.

>>50019850
And you still haven't, unless you've got speech to text or something.

>>50019703
>>50019733
Oh, right, temples; my bad. Gotta love 'em, I always run one in my two color decks, and I'm considering running six of 'em in four color, but right now I'm really tempted to just use heal lands because a) immediately available and b) 6 fetches + 6 heals is a 0 life sum land base. Which isn't terribly important, admittedly, and it's not like I wouldn't lose a lot more life to phyrexian mana and shocks, anyway.

>>50019872
I'd rather have smooth draws than six life in EDH, barring commanders that care about lifegain I guess.

>>50019566
You're going to get fucking rolled on. Sorry anon, but if you have literally no idea how to build a 5-color deck you're screwed.

>>50019703

Tango lands are called bofa lands in my playgroup

Cuz you need bofa deez

>>50019916
Voyeurlands. Because watching two others makes them stand up.

Are there any good youtubers or twitch steamers for edh?

>>50020001
I like Conquerer and Commander.

>>50019703
>Tango Lands
I never liked this. Crowdlands makes way more sense.

>>50019703
There's also
>Lorwyn Tribal lands, reveal a creature type to have it untapped
>Depletion lands, has counters to see if they untap or not, not always duals
>Kamigawa has lands that have you pay life to have a special effect or more mana
>Home lands are tri colored and bad
>Torment lands that require a swamp and can sac for two different mana
>Blighted lands that do a effect

>>50019703
>>50020153
And the Planeshift Lair lands that provide shard mana, but you have to return a non-lair when they enter. (But the land you return can be tapped, unlike most other land return lands)

Why is the WUBG commander deck going for 10 dollars more than the others?
Also thinking about getting 3 of them, Yidris, Artifacts and the angel horror one, what changes should i make to them? I don't play edh but these new commanders are pretty fucking cool and there's some dank ass new cards in these, like magus of the will, that i want to play with that I couldn't usually use in legacy

>>50020128
KEKLANDS

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funny how the only good 4 color commander is non red

>>50020276
Are you implying red is good in commander?

>>50020276
But Breya is an excellent combo piece.

>>50020355
maybe, she looks terrible in a vacuum.

any specific combos you are excited about? I see that she can win the game once you already have infinite mana and artifacts, but that isnt too exciting.

>>50019485
ludevic had way too high expectations from the get go, he is fine if you consider him and his monster as a pair rather than a single card with a hug effect. he may be lackluster even paired with two different colors, but there is now a chance he will get a better tri color card rather than never be printed ever at all. maybe even get monsters that can only be paired with ludevic.

i was hoping that he would be the non white commander, but now we have official four color legendarys. they may be even more in newer sets.

>>50020402
>-4/-4 is terrible and -8/-8 for 4 and some tokens

>>50020402

she's not terrible in a vacuum, just mediocre. having removal on your general is nice, she just requires too many artifacts to sacrifice in a non-combo setting

>>50020419
>2 mana and 2 artifacts to -4-4
>4 mana and 4 artifacts to -8-8

no thanks

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So, I've been looking through EDHrec trying to find some staples I'm missing for certain decks, and I keep coming across Arcane Denial.

Why exactly is this card used in so many decks? It seems really bad, giving your opponent two cards. Am I missing something, or is everyone else just a bunch of scrubs?

>>50020496
There are certain decks and cards that benefit off opponents drawing cards.
For decks, Nekusar is most prominent.
For cards, Consecrated Sphinx and Notion Thief.

>>50020517
So, people run it on the off chance of senergizing with 3 or so other cards in their deck? Sounds like unless you're playing something like Nekusar or Leovold or something, it's just a wasted slot.

>>50020496
Its a may ability. Sometimes people also just forget.

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i have a wort deck that is like 90% of this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wort-boggart-auntie-mother-of-the-mob/

i was planning on adding deathbore, pyroblast, red elemental spell, and withering boon. anything else i should put in or take out? other than showstopper, because that card has saved my bacon when the other instant cards would have fell short.

>>50020585
It's also a 2 mana hard counter, and it cantrips, and it's only 1U at that whereas most 2 mana hard counters are UU.

>>50019703
>Forgetting filter lands
You're a huge faggot.

I'm also not sure if there's an official name for the Lorwyn tribal ones (Wanderwine Hub and friends).

There are also taplands. The original cycle from Invasion block and the new version that originated in BFZ and endedin Shadows.

>>50020588
>>50020595
Well, i guess i can try it out. Its only a few pennies anyway, so no harm in picking up a playset.

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I need cards with effects like pic related in G/W. help a guy out

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This year's commander's set is a hit guys!

>>50020660
Cathar's Crusade is actually the only one I can think of. If you're running a 'hard' tribal deck, Door of Destinies works too.

>>50020660

Panharmonicon

>>50020699
mostly looking for group buff on ETB, already have the two you mentioned. need things like valor in akros and whatnot

>>50020665
Pfhahaha, Jesus. This speaks volumes about the real quality.
And I had such high expectations after they knocked it out of the park last year and year before last, how could this have happened?

>>50020660
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[whenever]+[%22creature%20enters%20the%20battlefield%20under%22]&color=+@([W]|[G])

>>50020650
>2 mana counter, 1U even rather than UU
>no nonsense like remand or mana leak
>draw 2 is less of a drawback in 4+ player games

>>50020665
>>50020741
explain please

>>50020665
>MSRP is $35
>only Atraxa is above, at $38
>Yidris and Breya are at MSRP
>Kynaios and Tiro are under, at $25
>Saskia is really far down, at $23

Welcome to Wizards saying "fuck you, everyone that wanted 4c", even when the 4c generals are the most interesting part and the Partners are all super underpowered sub-$1 bulk rare levels of power.

>>50020665

how do stores get away with charging more than MSRP when you can literally walk into or order from a big box stores and get them at MSRP?

>>50020496
It's because of card advantage, not any other reason. A standard counterspell is weak because even if you counter his spell, you are now one card down. Not against the guy you countered, but the two other players. Arcane Denial is so great because it keeps your hand filled.

>>50020774
The prices.

>>50020798
Because card/comic shops will actually go and research the total value of all the singles within, and if it's higher they raise the price. Big stores like WallMart or Target don't bother.
They aren't supposed to jack MSRP, but they do anyway.

>>50020774
They're selling the precons below $30, which is about the lowest I've ever seen them sold for ever. Even at Wal-Mart's in the boondocks where nobody plays they never drop below the thirties, and that's months after they've been out and they're not good decks anyways.

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>>50020741
>after they knocked it out of the park last year

>>50020496
In addition to what everyone else said, the name of the game in Commander is incremental advantage, which normally translates to "advance your fucking boardstate." Doing that is hard when you have to leave up counterspell mana, and there aren't a lot of one or two-mana counterspells. Slim pickings make a player desperate, you know? Pointless list of cheap countermagic:

>Mana Drain Tier
Mana Drain
>Good Tier
Counterspell
Swan Song
Negate
Disdainful Stroke
Forbid
>Playable Tier
Arcane Denial
Deprive
Annul
>"Whatever, I'll Take It" Tier
Every variant of Cancel that isn't Forbid.

Post good counterspells I forgot about.

>>50020991
Force of Will
Rewind
Counterflux
Cryptic Command
Mystic Confluence
Pact of Negation

And personally I'm a huge fan of Dream Fracture.

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How the hell is this card not in every black deck?

>Wrath of god? Ok you lose 14 life, I gain 14 without having to pay a single mana

>>50020991
>>50021136
Cryptic Command deserves a spot here, mostly because of versatility.

Shout outs go to any counterspell that exiled the countered spell. I especially like them because my meta includes Jarad, Meren, and Daretti, so exiting key pieces prevents recursion.

>>50021176
2 reasons:
Most decks have W, G, or both, and so easily kill it.
As soon as you play it, it paints a giant target on you due to all the people that used to, and still occasionally do, abuse it.

>>50020895
Every single deck had at least one fun innovative commander and a neat non-commander card, even if it was underpowered or weird. Even the worst commander box had Karlov, which many people were hype for and building before it even came out.

>>50021227
Did you completely forget the RW deck existed at all? Or the UG deck, for that matter. The only thing worth anything in those decks were Mizzix and Meren, maybe Mazirek. Everything else was hot garbage.

>>50021252
You are criminally underrating the Ezuri deck, and Kalemne is pretty strong as far as RW commanders go, which really says a lot about how shafted RW has been overall.

>>50021191
>As soon as you play it, it paints a giant target on you
I feel like this type of argument is in fact proving his point, that is, it's an excellent fucking card. It's just sits there giving you life while draining your opponents.

>>50020665
Is Yidris good out of the box? I want to try him but have no clue how I'd build him.

>>50021252
The fuck u talking about man Ezuri is stupidly powerful

>>50021276
Thing is, Bloodchief Ascension takes 3 turns to get going, and that's 3 turns for people to kill it.
Even if it takes a few rounds to kill it, the rest of the game you're gonna have that target as "the one who played Bloodchief" even after its gone.

>>50019194
mustache and the smirk

>>50021284
Can't tell without playing it myself, but from the decklists so far, the manabases seems terrible all round.

>>50021288

>the rest of the game you're gonna have that target as "the one who played Bloodchief" even after its gone

Yeah, but that's true of any very powerful card or effect.

>>50021328

I meant "for every effect"

>>50020991
I would put arcane denial above counter spell in any game with 4 or more players. In 1v1s counterspell is better, in 3 player games they are even (the math checks out, try it).

>>50020101
I do too, but he hasn't made any videos in like a year.

>>50020128
How do crowd lands make more sense than tango lands?

Battle lands us what the mtg salvation wiki uses.

>>50021479
Because three's a crowd. It's stupid. They should be called Menage Lands

>>50021266
>Kalemne is pretty strong as far as RW commanders go
Are you drunk? She is garbage as far as RW commanders go.

>>50021479
Because three's a crowd. Tango lands is stupid, because you end up with three, and at that point you are doing a weird fucked-up waltz and definitely not a tango.

>>50021512
1. Aurelia
2. Brion
3. Gisela
4. Iroas
5. Kalemne

Sorry if you're the one guy who loves Jor Kadeen, but boros doesn't have a ton to work with.

>>50021176
Your opponents attack only you every turn so that you don't get your blood chief stacked by anyone other than you. In a 4 player game this means you have to survive 9 turns of your opponents attacking you to get a super telegraphed effect (seriously, they got 3 turns each to dig for enchantment removal).

It's pretty fucking strong though in decks that have a way to negate one or more of those weaknesses, like pillowfort or rakdos pingers or nekusaur or something

>>50020665
someone explain to me what about the atraxa deck would make it more expensive or better than the others

>>50021560
It has a decent amount of reprints, and people are whores and lusting to make a Superfriends deck, and Atraxa is giving them a reason to.

>>50021276
It's not a situation that it's so good that people target you for it, it's that the very nature of the card rewards people for attacking you instead of other players, because it prevents it from going off. Same thing with the white one that makes angels, the very text of the card encourages people to attack you.

>>50021541
>it takes two to tango
>it takes two to come into play untapped.

It checks out.

>>50021635
it takes 2 baby
Me and you

>>50021603
put it in your Ludevic/black partner deck, ludevic will make them want to attack each other!!!

>>50021551
I'm sorry that you're the one guy who thinks, fir some unknown reason, that Kalemne is better than Jor Kadeen.

>>50021670
Doubtful.

Unless you play with the kind of retards that attack the non Edrik player, or take the offer on Tempt With Discovery.

>>50021670
Ludevic is the worst form of Rattlesnaking I've seen in a while. What's stopping your opponents from just making an agreement with each other and doing chip damage against each other for cards while swinging hard at you?

>>50021719
maybe a ludevic/BG deck and then you can have edric in the deck as well! ludevic + edric + bloodchief, they will never attack you ever again

>>50021731
Presumably you and your bounces, Counterspells, and boardwipes. Why the fuck would they go through all that effort to kill you? Out of spite for playing shitty partners? I somehow doubt the dude with a howling mine and some other partner as their commander is going to be the most threatening at the table.

>>50021719
>Tempt With Discovery
>"oh boy, I get a free land!?!"
>5 minutes later
>"man, how did I lose?"

Every fucking time. My friends are retarded.

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>>50021804
>"Free land? Let me just get me Gaea's cradle!"
>Okay, search strip mine, kill Gaea's cradle

>>50021804
>free land? Sure
>get darksteel citadel
>"How did you combo off so fast?"

Fuckin idiot

>>50021769
>play bad cards to win!
no thanks, standard's boring.

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>>50022211
hey, standard has some pretty good cards desu

Am I stupid for pre-ordering all five decks? I feel like I will get a crap ton of use out of each of them and will be able to build tons of unique decks out of them in combination with the cards I already own. I also feel like they'll retain a high value overall in the future (although I'm no card value expert, just my opinion). The last two decks I bought were Kaalia and Meren, and they both turned out to be profitable purchases (got both at MSRP).

>>50021835
>everyone says yes
>player gets all three tron pieces and a thespian's stage.

>realizing that shocks and shit are going to get very expensive because of these shitty 4c commanders
Time to order that Ghave deck.

>>50016509
bumping for feedback

>>50016310

It's a bummer that their aren't enough dwarves or vehicles to make her worthwhile as a Commander.

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>>50022251
Nah. If you enjoy them, then it's money well spent. I'm planning to get 2 or 3 decks.

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>Want to get Breya because artifacts and she's a super good combo piece
>been wanting to make Zedruu for a while
>Group Fug deck comes with all the pillow fort shit to get started AND Zedruu
>Homo and Homo-ER aren't so bad since they draw you cards in addition to the group hug effect
>3 hit kill with assault formation

I'm torn /EDH/. The only odd thing about the deck is that there's a psychosis crawler instead of a Mana-Charged Dragon. Would probably also put in Rite of the Raging Storm and both the Grandeur spells.

>mfw the deck has a Blasphamous Act in it

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>>50022511
Buy the gay kings deck and get breya single.

>>50022511
Buy both. They're cheaper this time around at most places.

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What do you guys do for tokens without an official printing?

>>50022645
i take some shit magic cards, turn them over, and put them in a sleeve.

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>>50022645
Print the MTGO one on paper and put it in the sleeve, or make a custom one in Set Editor if the art sucks and print it

>>50022693
Neat!

>>50022551
There's a lot of shit in the Breya deck that I want. Master of Etherium, Hanna, and Godo are some of the highlights. It's also nice to see Slobad and Jor Kadeen in a commander product. New players would love them after seeing how much love Goblin Welder got.

Granted, I still need to pick up a Phyresis, Glistening Oil, Grafted Exoskeleton, Tezzeret, and a Nim Deathmantle to start off.

A week ago I thought Breya was shit compared to Sharuum, but now I think she's a wonderful competitor for artifacts. Now can wizards finally give us a goddamn izzet artificer without fucking it up?

>>50020276
That's not Ydris

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>>50021835
Thanks for the free creature Anon. Let me Loam it right back.

>>50022717
Is it good or bad MaRo knows how rabid the edh community is for an izzet artificer? I'm leaning towards bad, but who knows.

I still think that originally jori en was suppose to be an artificer commander, but the design was overhauled before release.

>>50022765
Let's consider the following:

>Everyone wants an enchantment block. WotC fucks it up
>Everyone wants a wedge set. WotC delivers for 2 sets, then fucks up everything for the third by making Half-Ravnica
>Everyone wants to go back to Zendikar. WotC fucks it up
>Everyone wants a Werewolf legend. WotC fucks it up
>Everyone wants 4 color shit and Nephlim errata. WotC makes partner hullshit as a half assed answer and only reprints the worst one
>Everyone wants Ludevic. WotC fucks it up
>Everyone wants a UR artificer legend. ???

And the response to every single fuck up before and after was...Read this in MARO's lisp

>YOU SHEE, LAWNG AGO WE HAED A SHET CALLED MEEROWDEEN. IT WAS SUPER BROKEN AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAEK THAT MISTAEK AGAYN. HERE, HAVE A CASHGRA-ERM I MEAN REPRINT CYCLE AT ULTRA PREMIUM RARITY!

I get that the set was broken as shit. What I'm sick of is MaRo blaming mirrodin for every underpowered set/card WotC pumps out begining with Theros.

>>50020589
>Tarfire, Nameless Inversion, Showstoper, Fodder Launch
a shock or bolt will almost never kill something meaningful. If you want a useful replacement Hero's Downfall or Terminate is a better option. Go for definite kills for your spot removal. Even just doom blade or murder is fine.
>Springjack Pasture
You are pretty much never going to use this. It will just be a waste. Making it a swamp to fetch is probably smarter. If you want a nonbasic land, try scrying sheets and making all your basic mountains into snow mountains.
>All those board wipes
I'd replace one of them with a warpworld for fun.
>Umbral Mantel
Just replace with any sword, including Sword of the animus.

>>50022814
Come on now, MaRo doesn't blame everything on Mirrodin. He also blames things on Time Spiral.

>>50020665
>"Saskia is the best" /edhg/
>22.99

>>50022922
She's good. The deck isn't.

>>50022645
I handdraw all my tokens, because I'm a cartoonist.

>>50022765
Wizards ruins everything people want. Even when Wizards had the perfect opportunity to make a UR commander in a block all about artifacts, they ruined it and made a UR planeswalker instead.

>>50022969
If you want to most groups are cool with Planeswalker commanders. I hate them but it's an option for UR Artifacts.

>>50019194
Saprowgli and Ravos. Super stoked to make a flavorful saproling tribal that isn't fucking "Use Ghave or be terrible."

>>50020777
Serves them right. Four colour commanders we're a terrible idea. Here's to hoping for next year's edition. Maybe we can waste it on tribal decks.

>>50022969

she was also the poster child of the set, and got sidelined for chandra. what a waste of a card.

>>50023006
To be fair, Ghave isn't even played for tokens/counters anymore. He's just there to abuse Geralf's Messenger+Ashnod's Altar or speed up the process of Reveillark+Karmic Guide+whatever piece or just flatout Boonweaver Giant combo eventually getting all your creatures out leading to Mike&Trike.

Thanks for ruining abzan EDH reveillark

>>50023029
>tribal decks
UW - birds and wizards and bird wizards
GW - kor and druids and kor druids
RB - goblins and zombies and goblin zombies
RG - beasts and beasts and beasts
BU - vampires and merfolk and merfolk vampires

>>50023029
The only remaining obvious color scheme is allied colors. After that, they are going to have to come up with new design technology or start retreading old combinations.

>>50023075
Why not GW Elves + Druids, BU Zombies + Vampires and RG Dragons + Beasts? Come on Anon, atleast try a little.

anyone else think saskia looks sweet?

>>50023188
He was parodying wizards incompetence

>>50023298
Everyone who doesn't play fedora/blue.

>>50023298

Looking at the deck, I was hoping for more extra combat steps/double strike shenanigans and less saproling tokens...

Card is sweet tho.

>>50020665
>None of the decks have an average price of more than 25€ ($27.5) on MagicCardMarket
Great

So Tymna and Kydele seem to work together pretty well. The former draws you cards and the latter ramps you. Where can you go from there? I'm thinking white spirit tokens, teysa style, to hit people with and draw cards off, or maybe blue evasive dudes, edric style. Now where can lots of colorless mana fit into this strategy? What are some good colorless mana outlets that maybe synergize with having hit people with evasive dudes earlier?

>>50020665
>The decks aren't all sold at same msrp
>murrica

>>50019496
His card evaluation is absolutely cringeworthy and he comes along as a fucking idiot more often than not but him ranting about netdeckers is always hilarious.
Him complaining about wizards is usually a blast too though he has some valod points it's extremely hard to take him seriously.
I like to watch him from time to time though

>>50023886
His voice just grates on me so hard I can't bear to watch him more than 30 seconds.

>>50020991
>>50021136
>>50021186

wtf guys, Flusterstorm, Mindbreak Trap

>>50023909
I disagree with both. Especially mindbreak trap, it's very rarely free when you need it.

>>50023923
I found it was more about other people fighting over what they needed and you fuck it all up

>>50023937
Forgot to mention Flusterstorm is amazing and I disagree with you disagreeing about Flusterstorm.

>>50021719
Are you not supposed to take the tempting offer? Next you'll tell me you aren't supposed to contribute to collective voyage either. Am I the retard?

>>50021835
>Cradle player taps his cradle for 10 mana in response to your Strip Mine
>wins game anyways

>>50021719
>>50021804
if you think that's retarded, this is what happened to me on xmage

>some guy had a purphorous on the table
>he plays the token generation variant of that card, Tempt with Vengeance
>2 of the other players take the bait
>sigh and also take the offer because why not at this point
>purphorous kills everyone

how fucking stupid are these people

>>50020585
if you think this is bad you are building your decks wrong, the card is good enough but gives you advantage with ither cards incidentally and can be made to dig for answers to board states and assist you in playing politics. that's a lot of versatility for a spell. if you scoff at politics or look only for two or 3 card combos that have no other use in or interaction in your deck then that's bad. but a counter with do much upside is not bad.

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>>50019194
Why are so many of them from Theros?

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>>50024125
>Have Warstorm Surge, Gratuitous Violence and Caged Sun on the table
>Tempt with vengeance
>Two players agree for some reason
>Only then they go "Wait, caged sun doesn't just double mana?"
>The sound of 100+ damage hitting the table

>>50023909
>>50023923
I love Mindbreak Trap, it's never let me down. Works against uncounterable spells and free conditionally, and it BTFOs storm player out of the water. It was super to exile his storm count 40+ Tendrils, stifling his flusterstorm, which I paid for original copy.

>>50022321

We'll have one more set of both, so that's something for a casual deck.

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>>50024156
People loved Theros. Even here once in a while you will see some faggot saying some shit like
>but muh UW heroic deck was so fun

>>50024230
>urza
>getting
At this point, half the playerbase doesn't even know who anyone pre-mending was.

can we have a discussion about off themes and flavor decks. I'm currently building sets of decks like
Crovax the accursed, Selenia angel
brothers Yamazaki
and a deck using cards from the weatherlight saga. using sliver queen as commander and the entire printed legacy plus the weapon it makes of course.

also something sherlock Holmes with clues and an elemental. investigation theme and hound etc.

have you ever played an exclusive flavor deck?
they are not good in the regular sense most of the time but can be made to work.

I really want a playgroup that supports this shit in houston. just saying.

>>50024251
I could never be satisfied with an urza card. if someone found his skull I can see it being a cool artifact tho.

>>50024276
Its like making a card for yawgmoth, it would never be "good enough."

>>50024283
I could see it being like Darksteel Reactor type card.
Like:
"whenever Yawgmoth, the father of machines would enter the battlefield and it wasn't cast from exile, exile it instead with ten doom counters on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if Yawgmoth is exiled, remove a doom counter from it. When the last doom counter is removed, cast Yawgmoth without paying it's mana cost.
When Yawgmoth, the father of machines enters the battlefield or attacks, you win the game."
A tad wordy, but it happens.

>>50024283
agreed, I could see a movie being made from his point of view though. we are introduced to dominaria by this young up and coming medic who is trying to bring a radical new way of thinking in to this magical world. plot twist. I would pay good money to see that.

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>make a monoblack deck
>it's fun but it sucks
>decide to make it better by adding tutors and a bigger recur theme
>end up tutoring for kokusho + ashnods altar + corpse dance "combo" to win in about half the games i play

ugh

i don't know if this is just a sign that my deck is now just good. it's just kinda boring when you end up tutoring for the same shit every game if you possibly can. tutoring is so lame but monoblack would suck so much without it

anyone else feel the same?

>>50024357
he becomes a planeswalker whose ultimate makes a player unable to attack you or target you, all of their permanent become artifacts and mana colorless.

>>50024398
I run an ok mono black tokens deck. I have to not run "I win" combos or I wind up using them.

>>50024470
>I run an ok mono black tokens deck

how does that work

i had a monoblack token deck until i realized that black has basically no way to turn tokens into anything resembling a lead or a victory. the best you can do is sac them to draw more shitty token creation cards. it seems like such a low power theme for monoblack. i mean, if you splash green, you can at least add stuff like craterhoof, pathbreaker ipex, overwhelming stampede, triumph of the hordes and friends. but monoblack tokens by itself just seemed really bad to me

here's how games usually went with my token deck

>get some token synergy permanents
>get some tokens
>start saccing them to trigger grave pact, zulaport and smothering abomination
>grave pact does nothing but clear the board of creatures as well as piss everyone off
>zulaport does nothing besides some very, very grindy damage and lifegain. like 5 damage a turn at best
>smothering abomination does nothing but draw more low power token synergy cards
>meanwhile opponents will be amassing actual wincons and stuff
>get hated off the table because lol i'm doing so much (of nothing)

maybe i could just make it an anti-creature deck that abuses "put into a graveyard" effects like sangromancer, blood artist and grave betrayal. but that would probably be low power too

I'm finalising a second order for singles for Atraxa, since I forgot some stuff on my first order. Give me your spiciest tech before I submit it.

>just took apart all my decks in perpetration for the influx of the 4c garbage brigade

Who else is finally done with this shit?

>>50024644
Most 4 color cancerous stuff is just 5 color good stuff, but a little more restricted. Most pointed, objective 4 color decks are just 3 color decks plus a couple extra tricks and at least a turn slower.

>>50024673

Anything with green isn't slow or restricted by color. They're the best part of 5c and 4c without the restrictions. There is nothing that 5c or 3c can do that 4c can't do better.

I hope they drop this idea that they have to print everything in a cycle or "pattern" and just make random decks based on independent themes like they did in the old days.

Maybe pick 5 popular archetypes and make decks around those disregarding color representation?

Anyone remember the premium deck series? Sliver tribal, Burn/RDW, and reanimator. Not any particular theme, they just picked decks and built their own watered down version of them for people to improve upon. I liked them. That's kind of what I want to see for EDH decks. Maybe build decks around existing legends instead of designing 5 new ones since they can't seem to do it right anyway

>>50024523
attacking, Sac for life drain or life loss. small life drain gray merchant recursion and nantuko shadesque stuff. grave pact for board control. Sac for mana and drain players. nothing too fancy at all.

>>50024783
That just sounds like a thoroughly awful idea.

Why would you want something that you can already build?

>>50024799
the entire point is an entry level product a player can pick up and play with on EDH night. Why does "YOU COULD'VE BUILT THIS YOURSELF" matter?

>>50021551
Tajic is x2 better than Kalemne.

>>50024815
Because the point of Commander product is to introduce new legends that people actually want to buy and build around. What you're suggesting is to make those shitty into/theme decks that come with each set.

>>50024795
yeah that doesn't work at all for me. i just become an obstacle for someone playing a deck that can kill players and then i'm dead. or maybe i've had a really bad streak of games.

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unrelated:

>decide to test out a rakdos, lord of riots reanimator
>go on tappedout and look for one
>literally every single tappedout top score deck is pingers.jpg
>every single one for like 2 pages
>every single pro netdeck creator thought "you know what, let's not use a reanimator theme for this deck that tries to cheat massive fatties into play. let's instead put in this goblin that hits someone for 1 dmg when he comes into play so i may cast my meme machine"

why is it that whenever i want to actually make a good deck i have to start from scratch

>>50024837
>Because the point of Commander product is to introduce new legends that people actually want to buy and build around
And due to repeated fuck ups and disappointments I don't trust WOTC to continue doing so. The commander design team needs to take a permanent lunch break and just take the easy way out. They could balance the fact that they aren't printing new legends by increasing the quantity and quality of reprints.

>>50024722
Other than have a balanced deck where you can play things before t4/5. 5c uses very fancy lands to hit the colours, these precons are going to be durdle city.

>>50022981
I've never seen a group that was ok with random planeswalker commanders. And rightfully so.

>>50024861
What was wrong with C16 other than wotc being forced to make 4 color in the first place?

>>50024968
>>50020665

>>50024939
>shitty precon decklists determine how they're actually played

Wew

>>50024156
I can only count 3

>>50023969
It's almost always a bad idea to take the offer. It's much better to just have then spend 4 mana to search for one land than to let them grab 4 of any land they want. Usually the lands they grab will allow them to combo out shortly afterwards. The one land you grab is almost never worth it.

>>50024977
No, they establish what the general form of these decks is going to look like. You can build a competitive 2c/3c deck for around 200 if you don't mind digging deep for cheap fancy ramp to offset the lack of fetches/abur dual lands. 4c pretty much requires the same build as a 5c deck, but without access to a colour. The ones with green are fineish but you're pretty much building a mono g deck with splash support at that point. The variance of the decks is too great to justify the utility you get.

>>50024976
>Using just one site
They are all at or below MSRP on magiccardmarket. How is this a bad thing for players?
Please, tell me why these decks are bad. Use your words.

>>50025016
>we can't buy for msrp and sell higher than msrp to make dope cash bro
>Shit set kurwa cyka blyat rusb b

>>50025013
>competitive deck for 200$

N-no?

>>50018025
Defenders/Wall tribal

DO IT

>>50025026
Again
>How is this a bad thing for players?

>>50018842
This guy is literally cancer

When people have the perception of the typical magic player, the insufferable cunt with an an intolerable world view propagated by spending all of their time jerking off with their like minded buddies, this is it. This is why I fucking hate the MTG fan base.

>>50025055
don't ask me

>>50020585
>>50020496
It's only really worth it in duel commander, where the tempo matter much more.
Mana leak would be better
t. Competitive player :^)

>>50025013
>EDH
>Competitive

>>50025013

OK. So you're actually retarded, then. Please tell me how these dog shit precons give any insight on how the proper deck will look. That's why they're selling so cheap, right?

>fancy ramp

You mean literally any card that searches for a basic land? I didn't realize that was fancy. Are signets secret tech? A 4c mana base is easy.

>>50025032
Absolutely. I play a 1v1 uril deck that's like 150, and it's hilariously mean. My brago flicker control and wraths deck is right at that price point, and it preforms much better than some janky expensive "competitive" decks. You just need to put a lot of time into researching cost effective alternatives to staples and ways to ramp, like burnished heart and myriad landscape.

>>50018874
why would that have to exist in the first place

>>50025101
They haven't even been sold yet.
Casuals will love the partner cards.
"Timmy's" and "Johnny's" will love to finally make 4 color decks.
Fuck spikes
Fuck fedorablue

>>50019566
>So I'm new to commander and Progenitus is my commander
there is no hope
why the fuck does everybody want to build five color?

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Anyone have experience using Hissing Miasma or blood reckoning? I'm not making a dedicated pillowfort deck, but I do like using a touch of pillowfort to help defend my cheesy deck ideas. Marchesa's decree was an automatic include for me because it cantrips, but I'd like some positive anecdotes before I dedicate slots.

ROSEWATER DID NOTHING WRONG

>>50025158
>>50025158
That's what commander was supposed to be, and still is on a casual level.

For the lulz

>>50025158
hes trolling, if the "i have a tournament tomorrow" didnt tip you off

>4chan makes you solve 6 captchas in a row

fuck you hiro im not buying a pass

>>50020276
Are you trying to tell me that infinite cascade works isn't good?

>>50025177
obviously good vs tokens
and against big +X/+X trample frog

>>50025147

>my fun is better that your fun!

>>50019194
Tymna + Ludevic

Every single drain/ping effect imaginable.

Shame i don't really want to buy saskia or gay kings precons for anything else.

>>50023075
>BU
>not Faeries
Bring back the Lorwyn Tribes

>>50025178
Maro pls go

>>50019566
That one head off to the left always gets me.
>Hey what's that over there.
>Get back with the group Frank.

>>50025363
To be fair, yes.

EDH was created with a "fuck the spikes" mentality, and hard spikes should probably play a format with a better competitive state. Saying that EDH should appeal to spikes is like bitching that Vintage should appeal to timmies, its not gonna happen and neither format would be better off if it was forced.

Unless you are talking about where he said fuck blue. All colors are created equal.

But some are less equal than others

>>50025122
>Competitive
>Burnished Heart

Pick one and only one. I don't believe for a second your until deck is actually competitive or kills people before turn 5.

>>50022309
I've been realizing that everyone's going to be running a ton of nonbasics now. Starting to feel like creating that Feldon MLD deck I've been kicking around for a while. The Christmas land is to build up an artifact manabase, pop Keldon firebombers, hope people are dumb enough to only stick with nonbasics, then cast Ruination.

>>50025177
only works against tokens, if you're already running Decree I wouldn't bother making space for Miasma

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>>50025570

I cycled a decree of annihilation the last time I played EDH in response to a Mindslaver being cast, the guy next to me went through a bunch of motions and ended up trying to Cryptic Command the cycle.

I explained to him why he couldn't do that and he said >WHY COULDN'T YOU TELL ME THAT EARLIER

>mrw it's my job to tell someone how a card works when it's been on the table for 5 minutes

>>50024842
Here's my Rakdos Reanimator. Love it to death.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rakdos-isnt-gimmicky/