Hipster Commanders Edition Old: >>50016310 RESOURCES

Ded game. Make another general when commander 2017 comes out.

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>>50026179
Yeah I do a bit of that but your advice about being more aware about subthemes is helpful. Thanks, yo. I want consistency but not so consistent that it just leads to every game having the same end goal and win condition. So I do understand what you're saying about it not being everything.
>>50026209
Yeah probably gonna throw Troll back in. Wish Fauna Shaman/Survival and Greater Good weren't such pricy cards. Shaman and Greater Good need a reprint in a product like commander at the least.
>>50026371
Buried alive and Pod are in the deck, just not in the photo. They also don't help when I want fatties in the grave but I draw into fatties before Buried or Pod. That picture is not representative of an entire deck.

>>50026410
Bi yearly commander products when wiz? We need commander sets retreading all the one shot mechanics.

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>duel commander will never be a good format

>>50026424
Fauna shaman will probably never get a print in a commander product, at least not any time soon. They specifically avoid tutors in these decks. Surprised at no greater good or Sylvan library in one though.

Any other Suggestion to what card should be remove/replace?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghave-is-forever/

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Xth for OG artificer still the best artificer

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As a big fan of turbofog stuff, I'm fucking hyped for these guys

>>50026523
Read this is turbofag

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>>50026473
Urza was always better, Mishra had to steal other people's shit to even compete

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Xth for the new king of good stuff.

it's all ogre now

>>50026547
Turbofag sounds great, to be honest

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>>50026364
Similar to french griselbrand lists but more big mana.

>>50026588
Perhaps we ogreestimated the viability of the other 4c commanders.

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I never played commander before but C16 decks seems to be a good value for money. I'm mainly playing casual usually pauper games with W/G, B/W and R/B decks.

>>50026610
Maybe if the fanbase could get ogre their sense of entitlement, wizards wouldn't have felt obligated to make them.

>>50026523
I'm considering using them for a Human Tribal deck. RWUG has access to some of the best human centric tech we have.

>>50026606
Love drana

>>50026588
>Red
Into the trash it goes

>>50026424
Could run a few of the spellshapers. A couple of them are fine. Also I like Mindslicer because he's stupidly strong and Smallpox is cool as well.

>>50026613
If you don't have another deck, I HEAVILY suggest buying a different precon. The 4c decks are generally incoherent so unless you're canabilizing it for parts, you're going to get a little frustrated with the inconsistency.

>>50026646
You don't LOVE Drana, you love the IDEA of Drana.

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>>50026613
Shiet, I'm retarded. I was about to ask about which deck seems to be the most newbie friendly one.

>>50026635
I think it has more to do with the ogrewhelming commanders that were released in the previous sets. How could any of the partner commanders compare to prosh?

>>50026643
Draw + lands sounds great in a human deck

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So I looked at the partner commanders and thought that Tymna might be quite synergistic with Kydele, Kruphix chick. You'd hit people with evasive dudes or spirit tokens or something, draw some cards, and get like 3 to 5 colorless mana. What are some mana sinks that are helpful in a postcombat main phase in a non red deck that wants to be evasive?

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Hey guys, what's going on ogre here?

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>>50026647
>RG for mana ramp and aggression
>RB/UR for answers
>UR for other general faggotry

Try again m8.

>>50026684
Honestly? None of them. Do not buy a new precon if you're brand new because you wont really understand what's going on when you get an unplayable hand with 3 lands in it. I suggest picking up whatever c15 precon tickles your fancy, or grabbing one of the monocoloured ones from a year or so ago. Even the tricolour ones are fine, but seriously anon, you're going to struggle if you aren't very experienced with magic playing one of these decks. I'm a turbo autist, and after drawing a few hands from these things, it's not an easy decision to figure out how to improve the stupid thing.

>>50026772
>this fuzzy logic
"No". I don't really care about red, but just splashing more colours because you can is not a good idea, unless you're a very experienced deck builder. Tricolours draw bullshit dead hands more than they should, even if they're tuned relatively well.

Can you play EDH on mtgo?

My job is all consuming and I no longer have the time or ability to play magic, so mtgo looks like a more and more attractive option every day.

>>50026842
Yes, you can

>>50026845
is it as much of a clusterfuck as it looks? I've seen the mtgo client on streams and it doesn't seem very... "streamlined" ?

>>50026842
yes but why would you want to do that when you have cockatrice

>>50026865
does cockatrice have a rules engine? I don't want to spend an hour arguing with tards about priority or on cast triggers

>>50026857
The MTGO software is like a million years old. What do you think?

>>50026662
You got me

>>50026889
no

>>50026727
im gonna partner this bitch up with the GW knight and do human tribal and tokens

>>50026613
Get the 2014 or the 2015 Commander decks. They're the easiest to control and are still around msrp.

>>50026865
Cockatrice is fucking abysmal.

>>50026802
>>50027122
>>50026652
Huh, I'm not gonna argue with you - you seem to be right. Probably I will just pick Kalemne or Meren deck from C15

>>50027177
How so? It's a pretty barebones program, there's not a lot of it to be bad.

>>50026432
Are you surprised?

>>50026432

20 life was a good change

It's just hard to balance, they'll get there eventually

>>50026829

>if only we had a colour whose color pie includes 7 card cycling

>>50026613
I would suggest picking up a deck from last year or a walker deck since they are mono colored.

The new decks are probably still fine for newer players but the mana base is gonna be frustrating. Other than mana base the only other thing I see 4 color turning dudes away from them is a subjective matter on how challenging do you want the deck to be when building and piloting it.

When it comes to newer EDH players, it's all on your taste of preffered play style. Atraxa seems like the most flexible one with different builds because proliferate is fucking good. Saskia seems stupid strong for aggro based decks. Kings seems like a strong and fun group hug commander if that;s something you've ever wanted to try. Yidris is for casting spells. I'm clueless about Breya.

>>50024260
I do like making flavor/theme decks, sadly I'm not in Houston, I'm in El Paso and can't travel really. Sounds cool though

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-07-15-voltron-cromat/

One of my pet projects, I am thinking about swapping out the borderposts and land cycling creatures for something. Not sure what though.

The land cycling with probably be swaped out for a Steel of the Godhead then some random bits like Bring to Light and the new Conqueror's Flail.

Any suggestions for the other slots. Either Meme-y 5 Color cards or cycles. Khans Magemarks are the only thing I've seen so far.

Hey, so this is my first time posting in one of these threads, been lurking for a while, but I just wanted to know if anyone would be willing to help me out with my Olivia, Mobilized for War list here.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/olivia-mobilized-for-discarding/

I want to have the vampire tribal element, and also make good use of madness and benefits from discarding. If there's anything obvious I missed or anything I should cut please let me know. Thanks guys.

>>50027415
Same guy, just posting to say yeah I know that it's over 99, it's a work in progress

>>50027236
It sounds good on paper
>>50027244
It will be too late. Hell it already is, a lot of people stopped playing it. That is what happens when you change the fundamental rules of a format every 2 months.

>>50027346
Land base needs work. Needs about 8 more lands. Remove some of those mana rocks.

You'd also be good at taking most of the Nephilim out. There's like only one good one, and he only good if you have a shrew of other creatures to back it up.

Some enchantment protection would be good too.

>>50027601
With the mana rocks, I've never had issues with the mana base or getting land screwed. I've adjusted it before when it become an issue, but so far it hasn't in the current form.

The nephilim stay in. They are a key component to the idiocy that is this deck. The deck is themed around shitty 5 multilcolor cycles so I don't want to remove any.

I need things that exile other things on ETB, but don't return it when the permanent is flickered. Anyone have any examples? Palace Jailer is pretty darn close.

>>50027753
enjoy shit5color.dec then

>>50027415
Blade of the Bloodchief= all the + counters
Blood Tribute= Huge life swing
living death= boardwipe and mass reanimate, can abuse with discard outlets
Crypt of agadeem= cabal coffers for the graveyard

I would try to fit in more black card draw, and tutor effects. Maybe fit a decree of pain in boardwipe and draw spell all in one. Anyway nice to see a themed deck.

>>50027830

That's why i made it :^)
Right now i'm just trying to make it Shitier5color.dec

>>50027815
Fiend Hunter, Faceless Butcher, Spell Queller, and Angel of Serenity come to mind

And Oblivion Ring and Parallax Wave but they're not creatures

Ravos + Vial Smasher seems like a decent good stuff commander pairing

Just play big spells and get the creatures back as they die

Hows it look?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghaves-anatomy/

what could also be put in here?

>>50027875
Thanks for the help, but I think you misread things.

I need any nonland permanent that can exile something on ETB and NOT return it when the permanent is flickered. All of those will return things when I flicker them. The reason palace jailer in particular is good is because every time I flicker him, he exiles a creature until your opponent does damage to you.

>>50027346
I'd say either focus on basic fetching or cut Last Stand.

I also have no idea why you have the nephilim in there.

>>50026432
>a single player version of a multiplayer format
>good

>>50026889
No. But most people that play on Cockatrice are actually rather seasoned and know what's going on.
Also, if there's ever a rules problem, there is a global chat that usually has a judge or two on, as well as everyone else on at the time to talk to about it.

>>50027934
Oh, I see what you're saying. Technically those cards will leave the card in exile if you flicker them while their ETB is on the stack, but I guess you're counting on something like Conjurer's Closet

Ashen Rider and Angel of Despair, but those sort of effects are rare

>>50027934
All of the cards the guy listed do that, as long as the exile ability and return ability are two different abilities, you can perma-exile things by flickering the exiler while it's ETB is on the stack.
Fiend Hunter and O-Ring are the prime examples of this. Have them enter, while ETB is on the stack, flicker them, and the original ETB perma-exiles.

Most new cards that temp exile have it all as one ability because Wizards caught on to the abuse and fixed it.

>>50026588
What does Black bring to table in Maelstrom WandOgre assuming you update from Wander 1.0

>>50027904
You need a lot more mana fixing. I'd add something like Kodama's reach or explosive vegetation. Maybe some signets. Oh and also bird of paradise would be really good to add.

>>50028036
>>50028003
Hmmm, so what you're saying is, if I strionic resonator my brago, I can flicker while the ETB is on the stack, and double down on all those effects? See I'm running a dirty control setup after I accidentally oops'd into Palace Jailer and Identity Thief on the board with Brago and completely locked the other player out while I pinged them to death.

>>50028055
Well, considering you get an additional cascade on every spell you cast the turn you connect with Yidris, and you get an additional cascade on top of that for every instance of combat damage he deals (so double strike and extra combats are great)...
Plus, you can have Maelstrom Wanderer in the 99.

>>50028080
That wouldn't really work because you'd have to use Strionic before Brago's flicker resolves, and if you do that the copied flicker resolves first and then the original flicker fizzles because all of its targets are no longer there. (When you flicker something, the one that re-enters is treated as a completely different and new object by the game.)
But any other on-demand instant-speed flicker would work together with it, just Strionic doesn't work well with flicker effects in general due to it causing the original effect to fizzle.

>>50028086
Yes but what is Black really bringing to the table.

>>50028181
Consistency? Restrictionless tutoring? More removal?
There's never a situation where more card options is bad for cascade.

>>50028150
Fair enough, I guess my sneaky plan isn't as sneaky as I thought, and it's more niche tech.

That being said Ninth Bridge Patrol is the best common to come out in a long ass time. He's the perfect control finisher for these types of decks.

>>50026523
>just noticed the hand

wow, didnt realize that they were LITERALLY GAY

>>50028181
Vampiric Tutor turning Cascade into whatever spell you want for free.

>>50028201
>diabolic tutor for a spell
>cascade triggers off the tutor and lets you cast the spell you were about to tutor for
Well, /tg/? What are you gonna do now? You're not just going to "fail to find" like a little bitch, are you?

>>50028215
>In the age of antiquity, the humans of the region that would one day become the largest polis on Theros were ruled by the tyrant Agnomakhos, an immortal archon. Unchecked for generations, his power grew as he carved out a mighty empire. Kynaios and Tiro, joined by their love for one another and for freedom, rose to challenge him. The people rallied to their cause, and Agnomakhos was defeated. The polis of Meletis was founded on the ruins of Agnomakhos's empire as a beacon of freedom and enlightenment, and its people chose Kynaios and Tiro to be its guardians.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/its-time-talk-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-26

How could you not when this is their backstory?

>>50028231
>can just tutor for a different spell then
also
>cast tutors like Vampiric that put shit on the top before combat
>then swing and connect with Yidris
>then cast something and cascade into the tutored spell

Anon, you gotta think more in depth.

>>50028256
>>can just tutor for a different spell then
that's the joke anon-kun

>>50028231
I'll get a different spell? What the hell am i doing tutoring for a <3 drop anyway?

>>50028324
right, but like, what spell

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>>50028336
I dunno. Exhanguinate and kill the table?
Tendrils of Agony? My storm count is already at 3 and the very least. Ad Nauseam if I still need to.

Is Maraxus of Keld Bane-themed deck hipster enough?

they should've made new Bruna's trigger on ETB

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gahijis-unstoppable-dragon-army/

Looking to fine tune the dragons in this for better interactions with the token base. Considered Spirit Dragon, but it seems like it's too slow. Thoughts?

>>50027191
Get meren, RW is painful in edh

>>50026364
What kind of creature removal spells are acceptable in a Gruul Commander? All I can find that's good is Beast Within, Chaos Warp and Decimate.

>>50028697
Personally I like armed and dangerous, lure, and enlarge. Gruul removal isn't simply casting a spell and blowing something up, quite often you need to destroy things through combat. Force blocks and death touch works half decently, as does first strike, but really, you're stuck using burn spells and blasphemous act. Arcbond works in a pinch against an alpha striking deck.

>>50027470
As long as the format is being watched over by literally monkeys, it's not gonna be good.
The rules people in EDH are bunch of incompetent idiots and french RC put them to shame in incompetence. French can be good, but there's literally no reason to play it instead of highlander besides of being a special snowflake and needing a constant access to a certain creature.

>>50028739
Also, steal effects into sad outlets works pretty well in red, haven't personally used it in gruul.

>>50028697
Any fight spell, like Prey Upon or Pit Fight, as long as you have big/protection/indestructible creatures.

>>50028749
Fighting with a Deathtouch is a wonderful feeling.

>>50028697
You really should consider song of the dryads and maybe even lignify
Besides that there's also Aftershock if you're only looking for hard removal. Red has at least 3 good mass damage wipes in Anger of the Gods, Volcanic Fallout, and Pyroclasm, and there are many sidegrade to all those as well.

I was thinking about making a mono black demon tribal deck with this guy as the commander? What would be some essentials?

>>50028417
BANE?

>>50028630
As someone who wishes they had, they knew exactly what they were doing when they didn't.

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>>50028798
Fuck forgot the picture

>>50028798
Rune-scarred Demon to tutor for the colorless tribal support you'll be running

>>50027191
Wade into Battle is either the weakest or second-weakest of 2015 but Merenfags are cancer

>>50028798
shadowborn apostle x50

>>50028739
>>50028749
>>50028794
I like punching things, but I also like the idea of my brother's face when his precious Darksteel Forge becomes a Forest. Thanks for the recommendations, guys!

>>50028746
You do you man, but sometimes a person that disagrees with you isn't an idiot, they just have different goals.

I don't agree with sheldo on a lot of things, but he's basically on his own level of Magic and format knowledge. There is a reason why Magic has dozens of formats that aren't even a thing for more than a year or two and commander is still growing quickly.

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>>50028857
Artifice should never be a problem for Gruul.

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>>50028810
Here's a big guy

>>50026588
>can't run Aurelia in the 99

Why even bother?

My playgroup is super cutthroat, I'm making a Queen Marchesa stax deck. My primary wincon is a Karmic Guide combo, currently I Buried Alive Karmic Guide, Kiki-Jiki and Restoration Angel, and then Reanimate/Animate Dead the Karmic Guide to combo off. Does anyone have any better Karmic Guide combos with lower CMC cards? I use Karmic Guide because it is tutorable off of both Recruiters and the reanimate-into-combo approach works with some of the enablers and stax pieces in the deck. However, I'd like the combo pieces to be more easily castable under Sphere effects - casting a 2RRR Kiki Jiki followed by 3W Restoration Angel is fairly difficult if I can't reanimate them.

>>50026432
Why would you even care to want that? Just play 60 card casual and build around a legend.

>>50027191
Kalemne has Blade of Selves, which is probably the best new card in that set, and good value all around. RW is sadness to play due to it's lack of support though.

Meren has the most playable deck straight out the box from that set and is probably the most powerful of that year's commanders.

>>50028836
He can always run Jarrad, he's pretty legit. Choosong yourself with sewer nemesis and flonging him at everyone for like 45 is pretty satisfying.

>>50028865
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that they're incompetent and focusing on wrong things. I don't see any reason for them to change the life total from 30 to 20, and they announced a while back that they're focusing on banning different commanders. If they knew what they were doing, they'd focus on the 99.
In the end, people could just be playing highlander instead.
I don't care much for the french format and I don't have a strong opinion about it, I'm just saying that they seem to be focusing on irrelevant things rather than fixing the format. It just feels like the rules people are doing something for the sake of doing something, rather than having an actual reason for anything.

>>50028986
>I don't care much for the french format and I don't have a strong opinion about it
>Here is my strong opinion on the french format

kys

>>50028836
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>>50028417
I play it. Mine's a clusterfuck of tokens, voltron-ish shit and ramp into burn.

It's in no way competitive, but it's fun.

>>50029018
>this cross board shitposter who insists on saying the acronym to "kill yourself" to basically anything
And that's how we know you're opinion is wrong.

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Thoughts?

>>50028986
Oh yea, my bad. The french rules committee is literally killing their own format through mismanagement. The community appears to be fragmenting and evaporating. I thought you were comparing the french people to the commander RC.

>>50028794
Don't forget blasphemous act. I've never had to spend more than three mana on it and it will kill most things.

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>>50026857
It's better than it used to be. Honestly I've never had a problem with it.

The hard part for me was rationalizing buying digital versions of cards I already own, but at least most are cheaper than their cardboard versions.

You'll find plenty of assholes and babies online, but you'll find those kinds of people offline as well. Sometimes you'll get peeps just randomly disconnecting or leaving the game which can be annoying. Also there's really no way of knowing the power levels of the decks you'll be facing.

It's nice to get a game going whenever. I don't think I've ever had to wait longer than 5-10 minutes to get one started. It's also nice to just let the computer take care of triggers and boardstates.

So there are good and bad things about it, but ultimately I would say it's been a positive experience.

>>50029044
>we
So how many of you are there?

>>50029045
It's usually useful as a board wipe, but keep in mind there will always be a situation where it can't kill anything because there's only a few big bombs out.

>>50029045
Unless you're comboing big on something like Stuffy Doll, Blasphemous Act still seems like a better choice.

What ratio of spot removal to board wipe should a Commander deck typically pack? Assuming ten removal spells total, I usually run 7 spots to 3 wipes. Does that seem correct?

>>50029044
Haha dude you got me there you really reinforced your opinion there and didn't come away as a fuckwit that's talking out his ass about a format he doesn't play haha gg you win

>>50029128
As it was explained to me, how often would removing one creature not be improved by removing all creatures?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ill-remain-under-our-antique-sky/

Tear me to shreds

>>50028946
It's fun and there are actual tournaments for it.

>>50029128
The only time spot removal is good is when it's either multiple or flexible.
Return to Dust is good because it hits two types of cards, and can get two at once.
"Destroy target creature." is real bad, because there's never a situation where that wouldn't be improved by a "Destroy all creatures." instead.

I typically only use exile spells for spot removal, and even then usually things that can hit multiple card types.

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I know it's a solved format and all, but I just realised partner let's me have a 4 color tiny leaders deck, and I kinda want to act on it.

>>50029050
Nah, they're different enough that they need different banlists. I like some things they have done, but it's not a good thing if they make changes in the format people want to ignore.
It makes me sad, since the thing has potential.
It's not really my thing, as I like bigger games, but I can see more competitive players wanting to stay 1v1 and that that's completely reasonable.

>>50029045
Love it. There's a bunch of token decks and "go wide" decks at my lgs, so it always does work. I run 4 board wipes (Chain Reaction, Blasphemous Act, Cyclonic, and Evacuation) and it still isn't quite enough.

Any other decent U or R board wipes I could use in or under the 5cmc slot? I haven't found much other than Anger of the Gods type stuff.

>>50029341
Do you have, like, a sexual need to get landscrewed or something? Why would you do that?

>>50026473
literally useless in commander.

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>>50029369

>>50029265
>700$
This will tear your budget to shreds

>>50029382
>he doesn't know

>>50029382

Not literally useless, you just have to jump through hoops

He's actually more playable in commander than he is in any other format in spite of this

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>>50029382
Not true. I mean... He has fringe use, connected entirely to one enchantment, but, still, he has use.

Also, r8 my Hipster commander.

>>50029275

>there's never a situation where it would be better to kill target creature instead of kill all creatures

Nice b8 m8

>>50029417
It's mostly made of good stuff I had lying around; I /am/ paying like 10 bucks for temples and a couple of miscellaneous rares. My main reason for asking is just making sure I don't overlook a card and pay shipping twice.

>>50028896
Was drawing cards part of your plan?
I need an edit of this with the epic CIA guy and Bane.

>>50028073
so should i take out some of the mana dorks for that? and birds is always hard to get a hold of, unfortunately. sigets might go in, unsure yet

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>>50029454
You probably knew what card it was but I still feel like a failure

>>50029443
>r8 my Hipster commander
VERY EXCELLENT/10

I also run Wort and it's a blast

>>50029400
Huh, I guess that's a thing. However, I run UR Toolbox and my strongest creature is usually 4 power. I think the biggest creature I've ever had was a 60/60 Psychosis Crawler.

Thanks for the suggestion, though. Definitely will remember that one for more creature heavy decks.

>>50029382
Well there's possibility storm.

>>50029400
This card rules so hard when you target something with Deathtouch.

>>50029506
There's also Nether Void if you're a richfag

>>50029523
I thought Nether Void works WITH Possibility Storm, instead of being an either/or. Also, Blood Funnel.

>>50029477
I just want to play a spellslinger deck that isn't UR. I wonder what other non-U spellslingers are like...

probably garbage

>>50029560
>other non-U spellslingers
I can't even think of any

>>50029470
Not bad. Still, my card was a big guy for you

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>>50029576
Not playing the funnest spell slinger in edh

>>50029576
Dralnu! But his drawback can fuck you over pretty bad.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/for-the-horde-of-notions-2/

Never made 5c before, how'd I do?

>>50029630
>non-U

>>50029654
SHIT, mondo brain fart. I'm so used to Izzet spellslingers

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>>50029649
drop like 600 dollars on shocks and fetches.

Now that that's out of the way you need to throw one of each signet in there, they really smooth your mana out. Also since you're in black some more tutors wouldn't hurt. I hate to say it but about 30-40% of your deck is going to be ramp and mana fixing.

>>50028936
Any ideas here? Trying to avoid Reveillark combos since they're just as expensive, CMC-wise

>>50029711
I've seen hoard of notion decks that ran all the fixing in the mana base and was just an efficient zoo deck. Horde itself is undercosted for CMC so if you can make the color requirements a non issue it's a decent aggro deck

that said,
>aggro
>edh

>>50029711
>drop like 600 dollars on shocks and fetches.
Nigga I am not doing that. Why the fuck is land so inaccessible in this game? It's not a luxury, it's a necessity.

>I hate to say it but about 30-40% of your deck is going to be ramp and mana fixing.
Fuck me, seriously? I didn't think I'd have to go THAT much harder. I was playing Karador and never had mana issues. So I figured adding as much 5c shit as possible and a bit more ramp would do the trick seeing as I didn't add THAT much U and R.
>one of each signet
I hate signets, but thank you. I will take this tip to heart and give it a shot if I experience massive mana problems.

>>50029769
I'm really just using Horde because it was the only commander that somewhat enabled me to do GY and Cascade shit in the same deck.

>>50028055
>What does Black bring to table in Maelstrom WandOgre assuming you update from Wander 1.0
Demonic Tutor. And Vampiric Tutor. And Toxic Deluge.

>>50027273
Breya is artifact goodies but it has the worst landbase.

>>50026523
How the fuck does this deck even win with the precon? There's like, zero wincons.

>>50029576

Wort the Raidmother

Also you can do red black spellslinger, the 99 can be very strong but there isn't a great commander for it

>>50026727
Extra turn spells and ways to recover them seems like a fun idea to spend the mana.

>>50029890
There will be one, that RB vial smasher dude. But, I dunno how good he'll be on his own.

>>50029916

I suppose vial smasher works okay, I don't think a partner is what you want in RB spellslinger, because if you're adding other colors, you probably have better commander options in the first place

>>50029711
>>50029789
>600 dollars for shocks and fetches
>not 40 for shocks and fetches from a china man
Hell, 60 would get you duals, too. But duals are a bit too conspicuous imo.

>>50029950
>from a china man
wut, you talking counterfeiting bruh?

>>50029950
i'm not assertive enough to know how to contact a chinaman about getting said proxies so i'm tcgplayer and channelfireball's bitch

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Building Saskia Voltron Group thug. Black for what? Infect?

>>50029990
This nigga is nuts with Gisela.

>>50030015
running both her and aurelia :)))

>>50026727
Archons, sphinxes, and angels. Find some that fits best for what ya are looking for.

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Obviously, the nonbasic hate is good, but how useful is the 7 damage effect?

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>>50029950
>>50029980
>>50029987
I never understand people buying hankypanky fakes. It's not like you can re-sell them whenever you're done with them.

Not to people with half a brain at least.

>>50029950
Chinaman can take fucking a thousand years for stuff to get to you though

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>>50029950
>chinaman
Here's that faggot talking about his chink buttbuddies

>>50030027
If there are two nonbasics you don't control and two creatures without indestructible with 7 toughness or less, it's technically a 4 for 1, though maybe closer to a 3 for 1 in value. It's a decent card for more casual groups

>>50030031
>I want to play a (((collector's card game))) but I don't want to buy (((collector's cards))) what am I a good goy lmao rofl

Yeah I never understood this either, anon

>>50030031

That assumed you want to sell out of your magic collection before price drops happen

>>50029990
Tutors, fieldwipes, necropotence if possible, or cards like utter end. Also cards that give/have fear or shadow

>>50030095
To be fair, lands aren't usually something people see as worth their value. People don't want land, they need it.

>>50030101
>implying I haven't done this before

When I quit Legacy I got a $5400 check out of cards that I bought for maybe a third that much

>>50029980
>>50030031
Of course you don't resell counterfeits, but let's say you bought real ones and sold 'em back when you were """"finished"""". You'll normally only get half of sale value when you do, assuming you're cashing out, in which case, you've spent 600, and made 300, losing 300. If you buy ales for 40 and toss 'em when you retire, you've lost 40.

>>50030052
I've ordered twice, one time took 3 weeks; and, because I was away from where my mail is delivered, all I know is one took 3 to 5 weeks. It isn't too bad.

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>>50029617
I'm actually trying to build Daddy Zaddy right now but I can't figure out the best ratio of cantrips, pump spells, and token producers. Also if you want more token producing spells or creatures. Are creatures like Thopter Engineer and Pia Nalaar worth it, 3 mana for 2 body cards?

Send help.

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>>50028798
I run this in kaalia, its a nifty self-recurring demon tutor.

>>50030078
The opponent can choose the same target. It will remove 2 permanents usually

>>50030207
>read this as "self-recurring demonic tutor"
>read the card
>thought you made a ridiculously witty pun
>turns out I just misread your post

welp what a rollercoaster of emotion

>>50030151

I implied no such thing I was just saying your reasoning doesn't apply to everybody

Some people just want to play with good cards and don't care about hopefully selling them before prices drop

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I pulled this dude in a draft and thought he was cool but every time I brainstorm a deck I just think a more typical BW general would be more effective.

>>50026432
Duel commander is good if you use the same rules and banlist as multiplayer

>>50030229
Because of all these times cards drop quickly and unexpectedly without any forewarning, right?

Anyways my case is pretty special because I made money, sure. But you're failing to factor in value derived - when I spend literal hundreds of hours playing Magic with a card, and then I sell it for a loss, it's not like that's value lost

>>50028055
Value off of tutors, tutoring cards you want value off of

>>50030236
Looks to me like a WB Hatebears commander. Is there someone better for that?

>>50030031

I ordered $200 worth of proxies and DHL delivered them in a little over a week. From to China to the middle of nowhere USA.

>>50030292
The problem with Kambal is that he isn't really a hatebear, he doesn't stop anything, he just taxes life total, which doesn't functionally restrict your opponents at all unless they're at 2 or less life

He's pretty shit

>>50030299
I didn't go with DHL. Probably should have.

>>50030095
I know, it's fucking amusing to me.

>>50030101
Price drops? Cards (the ones that really matter) have consistanly kept or gained their value throughout the years. Always. This is due to WoTC knowing what the fuck their doing since Chronicles.

>>50030151
This won't sadly be true for cards since around RTR, the printruns are just too damn large these days. Except for lands - just like RL, real estate matters people. It's not hard.

>>50030166
If you sell your cards buylist to stores then yes, you will roughly lose around 40 to 50% of the value of a card. I worked several years for a LGS, I know all about marges.

Just do what most smart people i've seen through the years do: sell the staples seperate from your collection and dump the rest at a store.

>>50030166
I would rather proxy by writing on the back of a basic land.
>>50030194
It's a she.
>>50030236
In my opinion, he seems to be more as part of the deck than as a commander.

>>50030269

What if a cards price drops before you're done with it?

You happen to be ignoring the value a person gets from not having to save or budget or invest in expensive cards.

Yeah maybe they eventually make most of their money back but they had still had all this money tied up in cardboard whereas the based chinamen let's you PLAY with any card you want for the same pocket change that you would normally spend on leisure activities, nothing extra

>>50029990
Here is my shit list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sasika-test-build01/
Now what do I take out for ramp, tutors, and board wipes?

>>50030299
Congratulations, you bought very expensive coasters.

>>50030393

That's what magic cards are

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>>50030373
Fuck chinamen cards. If I'm going to proxy, I'll just make my own shit. No money wasted at all. My pocket change can go buy me a burger.

>>50030364
EVERYONE knows it's a she.
Everyone. Every thread for two months it was pointed out. Daddy Zaddy just sounds good.

>>50030496
all goblins are male including goblin matron

Thinking about converting my Karador deck into a Meren deck, so I can focus more heavily on the sacrifice themes and use my W/B mana fixing for something else. I'm also kind of hoping she'll get going faster; since Karador last game took FOREVER to start doing his thing. If you get a slow hand it seems hard to start throwing creatures in the graveyard.

Does this seem reasonable? I know Meren is generally disliked since she's a popular pick around most groups, and losing some of the great W/B cards will hurt, but I'm wondering if it'll be worth it in the end.

>>50030496
People call vial smasher and bird monk partner a he even though they're a she.
>>50030523
But goblin matron has tits

>>50030624
that's just gynecomastia

>>50030481
this, if you've decided to be someone who proxies you can print out cards on printer paper and sleeve them in front of basic lands for cents a cards. Spending $200 on proxies is just as retarded as spending the money on actual cards by a proxyfag's reasoning

>>50030648

Spending $200 on proxies does seem ridiculous, I've never spent that much, I spent $30 and got full play sets of all the modern staples I wanted, I still play with them to this day and it's been great for me

>>50030523
Especially goblin matron.

>>50028798
runescarred demon
bloodspeaker
death render
crypt ghast
pestilence demon
demon of dark schemes
ob nixilis of the black oath
phyrexian arena
gray merchant of asphodel
caged sun
mutilate
exsanguinate
lashwrite
erebos
decree of pain
magus of the will
all the tutors you like

>>50030624
Yeah, that's the new Zada.
A character in the lore is female that people will correct for 2-3 months, and then people will get it.

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>>50030194
Here's mine. Goblin tribal is the best route imo. I need a copy of Gang Commander and Chieftan.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/combat-innit/

>>50029990
I am completely underwhelmed with Saskia. There are so many ways the idea could have gone right and instead we get this jank.

>Not "Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage, it deals that much damage to the chosen player."
>Not "Whenever a creature deals combat damage to a player, it deals that much damage to the chosen player."
>Not "As Saskia the Unyielding enters the battlefield, choose a player and then chose an opponent. Whenever a creature deals combat damage to the chosen player, it deals that much damage to the chosen opponent."

Fucking hell its so locked down I've lost interest in the only color combination I was interested in in the first place.

>>50027086
yeah those are probably the best human colors. and with those two commanders you can always guarantee card flow. neat!
>>50029895
oh this sounds dirty. wonder how many extra turns it's possible to chain together with kydele and tymna
>>50030022
ah, so I'd use the mana for evasive fatties! great idea. unfortunately i already have 3 fatty decks (scion, Karametra and rakdos) and this approach would not be that new for me personally, and a bit too risky without haste.
I was thinking a white spirit tokens deck with the other colors for support. Lingering Souls, Custodi Soulbinders, whatever else makes tokens, makes them evasive, pumps them up, sacrifices them for value... the commanders would not directly help with that strategy, but using them for card draw and mana ramp could allow me to use more deck slots for more varied card effects.
I've got a Sidisi aristocrats deck that this approach may replace. make lots of dudes that can sacrifice each other to get yuge, and also blood artists

>>50030895
How does the Goblin tribal work out with Zada? I found myself cutting most of my tribal cards for more spellslinging. Skirk Prospector gets downgraded to Thermopod but other than that I find myself winning more often by storming out than combat damage.

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>>50030883
>>50030624
>>50030496
>>50030364
Reminds me of an encounter I once had playing EDH at the FLGS. There was somebody there playing Wort who I have a vague suspicion is trans. I have little reason to suspect this than a hunch.

Anyway, somebody removed their commander and referred to it as "he," and I pointed out rather snarkily that it would be kinda weird for a "raidmother" to be a "he." I only realized later that I could have offended the Wort player somehow, although if I did she didn't show it.

I felt shitty, because it was honestly one of the coolest EDH decks I'd ever seen and it wasn't even a very funny thing to say in the first place. I hope she didn't take it the wrong way.

>>50031154
You don't happen to have a list for that, do you?
I kind of want to make Zada, but I don't want to have two tribal decks at the same time.

>>50031123
>Not "Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage, it deals that much damage to the chosen player."
you can't seriously think they would print that.

>Not "Whenever a creature deals combat damage to a player, it deals that much damage to the chosen player."
I guess you're illiterate? This is literally what Saskia is

>Not "As Saskia the Unyielding enters the battlefield, choose a player and then chose an opponent. Whenever a creature deals combat damage to the chosen player, it deals that much damage to the chosen opponent."
This is straight up worse than her printed ability

are you fully in control of your mental faculties?

>>50031154
>>50031154
Pretty good. I find myself playing more spells when I can tutor up certain cards.

Need a more goblin grabber cards like Mogg Catcher and Goblin Ringleader but I like the budget-ness of this deck. Easy to sit down and play.

It's also a great contender against my Ezuri deck. Fun to play them against each other.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-one-elf-deck/

>>50031231

I think you're illiterate on that second one, try again

Otherwise I agree

>>50028896
4U

>>50031209
I don't have one made up on Tappedout yet, but:
typical token producers in here >>50030895
plus Otherwordly Outburst and Spawning Breath. Back to back gives you a shitload of mana and creatures. Then cantrip and ritual until you hit Spark of Creativity or Goblin Bombardment (eventually you'll get Past in Flames and do it all again).

Having a sac outlet is important so you can sac your guys in response to Zada copying cantrips to prevent decking yourself (Spark of Creativity gets around this easily). Then usually storm out with Empty the Warrens and win with said Goblin Bombardment.

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>>50031280
???

>>50031361

Keep trying

>>50031361
I think he means, Saskia should be all opponents. Not just one opponent.

>>50031361
>>50031369
>>50031383
The second suggestion from >>50031231 is missing the "[creature] you control" clause.

Which Wizards would never print because it means that the chosen player can't attack without killing themselves, so the board state gets even more bogged down.

>>50029460
Bumping for critique

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gisa-and-geralf-wincest/

can some help me trim it down? i know it doesn't have all the best cards but i try to keep it cheap and i already got most of the expensive cards in it.

>>50031361

>blinking this bitch in white
>recasting her from the command zone AND GEE WHIZ PICKING A NEW PLAYER
>letting her go to the yard, reanimating her and GEE WHIZ PICKING A NEW PLAYER

this card is neither busted nor janky

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Why don't I see Declaration of Naught more often? Is it just too big of a dick move?

>>50031559

2 mana do nothing card while most decks are looking to goldfish you turn 3 probably.

>>50031559

>singleton format
>only good for commanders
>commanders get cast over and over again
>paints a target on you

>>50031559
Nevermore and Meddling Mage do the same thing without requiring you to keep up U as a rattlesnake.

>>50028234
The real question is which one is which colors

>>50031559
>>50031576

Just realized this is the EDH thread and not the modern thread. Oops.

>>50031607
It's even worse there

>>50031477
Would Panharmonicon's effects allow for the choosing of two players?

>>50031627
Nope, it's not an ETB. I'm not sure how you call it but it's like Iona.

>>50031620

Yeah, my comment makes more sense when you look at it from a modern perspective and not from an EDH perspective.

>>50031636
Replacement effect

>>50031658
It's not that. Iona's ability says "as Iona enters the battlefield, pick a color." Replacement effects use the words "if," "would," and "instead." If it doesn't have those, it's not a replacement effect.

>>50030895
Why run Accelerate when you could be running Crimson Wisps?

Mizzix, Ezuri CoP or Melek? Which is better? Which is more fun? Which is less strain budget-wise?

>>50031714
>614.1c Effects that read “[This permanent] enters the battlefield with . . . ,” “As [this permanent] enters the battlefield . . . ,” or “[This permanent] enters the battlefield as . . . “ are replacement effects.

Iona and Saskia are like the in-between of cast and ETB triggers,though they are neither. There's really no way to duplicate the effect without another body to copy and negate the legendary rule.

>>50031791

Another example of this type of ability is one a clone like phantasmal image

One significant aspect of this kind of ability is that you do not make the relevant decision until the spell is resolving, so if opponents wish to respond to Iona, saskia, or a clone being cast, they must respond before knowing what color you choose with Iona, what player you choose with saskia, or which creature you copy with the clone

>>50031752
Don't have it.

Literally scrounged this deck up from the bulk stuff I had. I'll replace it when I get it.

>>50031767
Well, fuck me, my bad. I always associate "replacement effects" with stuff like "if this would be put into a graveyard from play, reveal it and shuffle it in instead." Those crop up more often for me, I guess. Thanks for teaching me the proper rules, though, I admit I was curious.

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>>50029990
This guy right here, destroy everyone's stuff

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>>50029990
Also these guys can be really useful

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>>50031838
>>50031887
He was looking for black stuff, guy,
>>50029990
But Shadow is really cool, so you should put this in to fuck people's hands.

>>50031760

Melek and Mizzix could probably be pretty cheap. Melek runs deck manipulation to ensure the shit on top is quality shit, and Mizzix seems like she'd play more like a storm commander to me (and really, really likes X spells too).

>>50031977

Im in a tossup between Mizzix and Melek then. People say Melek is too clunky though, even though he seems cool as fuck

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I have a spanking new idea. Yidris Elfball. You have to connect once and have a Beck/Glimpse ready. If you are lucky you can get a heritage druid and just go fucking nuts. Black for DT, Blue for Beck/M Tutor, red for Mana echoes. It practically builds itself.

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Post deck. bros.

>>50032105

Can't see how that could possibly go wrong

>>50032105

interasdin. Post list

>>50031123
It's posts like these make me glad /edh/ doesn't work for WotC.

>>50026889
Arguing with tards is pretty par for the course on Cockatrice.

>>50031476
please respond

>>50031829
It happens. I've been playing since kamigawa and still learn new rules stuff a lot.

Definitely getting Atraxa to build a graveyard shenanigans with all kinds of counters deck and thinking of maybe picking up another precon for additional things to work with.

Are any of the other C16 decks helpful with that kind of strategy, or any of the C15 besides Ezuri and Meren?

Additionally, any fun cards with counter mechanics that can be abused easily with Atraxa (besides Darksteel Reactor)?

>>50028986
>I don't care much for the french format and I don't have a strong opinion about it
You're basically admitting that your opinion is shit. Why would you do that?

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is this as good as it looks?

>>50032506
Only as a combo wincon with Mikaeus or Teysa or other infinite token bullshit. Otherwise its sorta shit.

>>50032506

If you think it looks like a niche combo piece then yes

>>50029114
Why not both?

>>50031601
>playing blue and not being a rattlesnake
Also, I like how it gives me an option to counter it. Board's all afraid of one dude? Naught his commander. Someone else creeps up and is a bigger fish to fry? Let it cast.

>>50032477
Jinxed Choker+Consulate Surveillance

>>50032572
Why not just have Personal Sanctuary? Its cheaper and doesn't require you to pay EE.

>muh rattlesnake

This is my least favorite aspect of the EDH player's mindset, I come to every commander pod whipping my dick out like it's a weapon

>>50032602
I was thinking about the proliferate synergies. You could have both, since Surveillance also covers eventual spells or attacks too.

>>50032623
I've been lurking in here for a while and I still don't fully understand what it means

is it a fancy new term for when the control player leaves up UU or the white player leaves up W and waggles his eyebrows at you while you're moving to attackers?

>>50032650
The way I understood it, it is used to refer to any creature that will deter combat against you. Typically by way of having death touch.

>>50032623
And your win/loss ratio won't give an accurate idea of the power level of your decks. Whereas someone who knows how to play politically will have an inflated win ratio as compared to the power level of their decks.

Refusing to acknowlege an inherent part of a social-multiplayer format isn't anything to be proud of. Quite the contrary.

>>50032572
>>50032602
>>50032638
Damn, I almost overlooked surveillance for my Atraxa, and I was even running story circle. Now I can leave more mana open to Rattlesnake for blue!

What are your favorite janky, wacky, gimmicky commanders? What deck do you whip out when someone says "Hey, I'm bored, want to play a casual game?" OP image is a good example, Zedruu would be if he wasn't so well-known.

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Rules Question: Let's say I have this in my hand and enough mana to cast it while an opponent is attacking me. I have a hunch that my opponent is about to play a combat trick, but I'm not sure. I want to draw combat out for as long as possible before casting Fog in order to possibly trick him into wasting a card, ideally in response, but if he doesn't have anything to respond to I want to cast Fog regardless.

In this scenario, how late in the combat step can I wait before casting Fog? Can I do it after I declare blockers, or immediately before damage is dealt?

>>50032854
Right before damage is dealt.

>>50032854
After you declare blockers, the attacker has priority. If he passes, priority passes to the next active player (who may not be you, but we'll assume they don't do anything) until it reaches you. If you then pass, and it goes back around to him, damage is dealt and you move on. If you cast Fog when you have a chance, that's the last time to do it. But he can't wait and see if people have things to do before he casts his tricks; he's the active player and has to act first.

>>50032853
Borborygmos Enraged, Noyan Dar, and Sakashima.

>>50032854
At the end of the declare blockers step, his last chance to use any combat tricks passes, if he doesn't do anything, you get your chance to fog.

>>50032853
I've got Opal-Eye voltron-pillowfort for really casual games. Kaho Training Grounds control for mid-level gamaes.

I want to like Atraxa but I wish she was a bit more flavorful instead we of bring mostly generic goodstuffy. It would be really cool and flavorful if she proliferated once the first time you did one of four things every turn, with four proliferate triggers for each of the four praetors, with the flavor being you doing that is spreading that particular praetor's ideal of Phyrexia. It'd probably be weaker at a baseline level but she's be way cooler to build around then and she's have a much higher cieling. Maybe it's just me though. Most people seem happy with her as is.

>>50033103

>way weaker

probably would take way too much text

a real case of "you expect me to read all this shit?"

>>50032853
sensei golden-tail

>>50032853
Mishra

>>50033144
Probably

>>50032853
Probably Jolrael. It always takes new players a comedically long time of watching me ramp to realise I'm not ramping into an expensive spell.

>>50032766
>stick 4 people under smokestack
>they can't say shit and I win

conversely

>unmask the blue player, ad nauseum
>they can't say shit and I win

Depends on which deck I want to bring to pods on any given day, easy packs easy life

>>50033144
Nah, look at how much text Breya has.

>>50033236
I don't get how commander pods work, wouldn't you end up with people bringing Leovold / Waste Not Storm / Hermit Druid combo decks every time?

>>50033103
>>50033144
I'd say second time each of your turns, and pray you can fit 5 stanzas and not look cramped, like:

"Keywords, keywords

The second time a permanent an opponent controls becomes tapped during your turn, proliferate.

The second time you draw a card during your turn, proliferate.

The second time a permanent is put into an opponent's graveyard from the battlefield during your turn, proliferate.

The second time a land enters the battlefield during your turn, proliferate."

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>>50032650
>fancy new term
Rattlesnake being used to refer to cards meant to dissuade opponents from fucking with you is at least a decade old.

>>50032913
Yeah, but he can do shit in response to fog anyway.

>>50033370
The situation he described is him waiting until his opponent uses a combat trick, THEN fogging.

For example, Temur Battle Rage on his 12/12 commander or something. It's to get him to waste his cards.

>>50033290
>>50033236
I'm also curious. Why would people not just play as fast a combo as possible? Is that really what they are?

>>50028746
>French is good
>Sol ring, maná vault, tutors and all the powerful cards banned
>Less life total
>You can hardly combo off on T3 and that is going nuts
Wew lad

>>50032853
Narset

Is it better to go from monoblack to splash white simply for the sake of more diverse removal?

>>50033787
I don't know about him, but we have stopped having commander pods completely (only tried like 4 times) due to how broken it was.

Someone would always shit on the rest of the pod and walk away with the prize in 5 minutes.

Each time they made up new rules that were even more restrictive than the previous time, but that just punished specific decks while making another one the best, so people just played that.

Eventually it reached a point where combo wins were literally impossible, so people just played stasis decks.

>>50033844
Stop that

>>50032853
Ertai the Corrupted, also known as Ertai the Asshole Who Won't Let Me Cast A Single Goddamn Spell.

>>50033844
>>50033941
Narset is the number fucking one commander that I have seen people go "I know Narset is really broken, but mine is completely different/not broken!"

Every single fucking time it's the same deck, sometimes it just runs more planeswalkers than others.

Even had once where a guy met up with a Narset deck, promising it wasn't broken, then hitting 2 additional turns and an extra combat step in his first combat. "Oh man, the chances of this happening is really low, I didn't know my Narset deck could do this!" while playing all the extra turn and combat step cards...

Fucking Narset.

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>>50032208

>>50030194
I wouldn't run them. Mogg war marshal is the better 2 creature drop along side dragon fodder and krenkos command.

My rule of thumb is not to run any pump or cantrip spells that are over 3cmc unless their effect is huge.

Buffs should prioritize trample and double strike or flat out bonuses that are larger than +3/+0. Haste and first trike are not needed.

So, thinking of brewing up Atraxa. Not sure which direction I want to go. Superfriends would be fun, but all my planeswalkers are doing duty in other decks and I don't want to spend more that $100 + cards I already have. The cards I already do have lead me to think maybe infect route. There are other quirky things I am considering as well. Time Bomb/Armageddon clock?

Anyone got spicy tech or decklists to share?

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>>50032853
Sun Quan
>mono blue control, horsemanship, beat down.
Thruun
>really annoying voltron
Sidisi, Undead Vizier
>Ad Nauseam, Sickening Dreams, Dark Sphere combo
I don't really play them much because they're all pretty gimmicky.
>>50032208
pic related.

>>50033885
The bottom line is its pretty much impossible to make a cake recipe that stops a person who is completely determined to make an awful cake. Every recipe assumes good faith, and frankly writing a cookbook for people that want to make bad food is a complete waste.

>>50034125
Which is why giving a prize for making the worst cake is a fucking retarded idea.

>>50034008
I do it on purpose

>>50034008
I've just stopped believing people when they say shit like that. You want to play a broken commander? Prepare for archenemy from the start.

>>50034169
>>50034166
Nobody ever believes the Narset player when he says that.

Either his deck is only creatures, or it's broken.

>>50034125
That's a... really weird analogy, but I get where you're coming from.

>>50026364

Any good resources for duel commander?

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>>50034008
>passing a fun Brion Stoutarm deck
>guy sits down with Arcum Dagsson
>immediately go after him because he's the biggest that
>"Why are you targeting me?!? My deck isn't like other Arcum decks!"
>whatever
>kill him quickly
>he moves to another table
>hear him say the same "not like other decks" bullshit
>look over shortly after
>he's immediately set up a Disk/darksteel forge lock

Fuck people like that.

>>50034277
I have an animar deck that's not like other animar decks.
It's still fucking disgustingly strong so I don't mind people focusing me.

>>50034277
>I swear my Reveka deck isn't like the others!

Fucking hate those guys

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>>50032208
I swear my UG decks are just like all the other UG decks.

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>>50034277
>at the table with two players I don't know and one of my buds
>I'm on Niz- Mizzet, Buds playing Prossh, two guys playing Oloro and Maelstrom Wanderer.
>I start focusing Oloro, not letting him set up his pillow fort
>Bud beats down Maelstrom Wanderer, MW starts beating down me.
>Oloro says "why are you focusing on me? My decks not like other Oloro decks"
>Gitaxian Probe his hand.
>JtMS, two counterspells, and some stack enchantments
>" I swear it's not as good as it looks!"

>>50034277
>"Guys EDH isn't like other formats there are elements of diplomacy and politics!"
>gets mad when people lie or try to talk people into not attacking them

a u t i s m

>>50034437
Yeah, JtMS is pretty bad in EDH.
I'd like to know what those enchantments were though.

>>50034450
>JtMS is pretty bad in EDH.

you're trash lmao

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>>50032208
Sure why not

>>50034450
I'm pretty sure there was a sphere of safety and a propaganda. I don't remember the third. It was a few weeks ago.

>>50031293
HELL'S BELLS

>>50034467
And you're twelve apparently.

>OMG, this planeswalker is super expensive and banned in Modern, it must be SO GOOD

>>50034277
>>50034437

>Play against a Kaalia
>"I swear, my Kaalia is different"
>Smash cut to Avacyn, 4 demons, and 2 dragons later.

>>50034008
Is enchantress "not like other Narset decks"?

>>50034498
Brainstorming every turn is incredibly powerful, especially in a format with shuffle effects. You're just a trashcan that looks at the price tag before considering what a card does.

>>50034467
JtMS is trash in EDH insofar as it's a multiplayer format and he'll get dogpiled faster than you can say "Jacestice League".

>>50034439
>doesn't understand that lying is fine in game but has negative long term effects

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>>50032208
Eh ... I've got 3 more but I'm too lazy to add them to TappedOut.

>>50034548
>Players will PLAY THE GAME AT ME rofl that means that good cards are bad haha dude I guess you just go refuted

Traaaaashcan, I bet you think creatures are bad because they die to removal

>>50034520
Well guess what, you just paid 2UU for a sorcery speed brainstorm, then he got killed because you have 3 other fucking players that can tap a creature and kill it.

Not good at all.

>>50034571
>play Jace
>your spergy opponents attack Jace
>shrug and High Tide for the win because they spent their turn worrying over card advantage permanent

Sounds good

>>50032853
Seton, Krosan Protector.

>>50034599
Yeah, notice how you could have done the exact same thing with High Tide without playing JtMS?