Horus Heresy General /hhg/

word bearers a shit

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Second for the flesh is weak!

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>>49927393
Nids cant;t bake bread, but you can bake a Nid bread.

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>>49927436
We have been over this, and the answer is always yes. Yes. Yes they are.
>>49927453
Nids make horrible bread ingredients. I wouldn't want to poison anyone. See the effects of eating Nids, but this might be the effects of the Nails producing too much rage, or you know a Word Bearer who realized he was a Word Bearer.

>>49927487
As a former EMT, this fascinates me, what actually happened?

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>>49927436
Lorgar is the most successful primarch

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Xth for Graeco-Roman World Eaters

>>49927526
My assumption would be a tumor in the eye grew to enormous size, given that it seems that there was bone growth after the skull was broken to such a point.

>>49927551
More like Terran grade child bearing hips! Look at that fat bottomed legionaire!.

>>49927548
As a wolf player, I don't disagree

>>49927548
>Nails in brain personality disorder
kekking errytime

Vigilator with jump packs in an assault squad. Should he have a power sword or axe?

>>49927551
That marine really needs to tone down on the cheesecakes.

>>49927551
Good Job. You don't see too much gs work these days. Where's that helmet from?

>>49927616
If you have axes in the squad and sarge to take a challenge, the Vig could go sword and hopefully cut down a marine or two before they go. Legion makes a difference also

>>49927616
Depends on the squad's purpose.
If it is killing shooty marines, do you even need powerwepaons with 60 attacks on the charge ?
If it is killing choppy marines ? Then an extra powersword might help
If it is killing Terminators ... wait what are you even doing ? Just plasmagun the fools

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>>49927574
I was going to say that's impossible, but then I remembered the Elephant man and stuff like that. The human body can endure more than one would expect it to.
>>49927526
I just went over to /k/ looking for tank threads. You can't find a thread without at least a resident tripfag.
>>49927441
Woah, you even saved it with the same filename. Thanks m8. Have angry Frankus
Handus

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>>49927688
>I was going to say that's impossible, but then I remembered the Elephant man and stuff like that. The human body can endure more than one would expect it to.
The human body is a strange thing. No wonder the AdMech likes lopping off their squishy bits with metal.

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>>49927601
>>49927631
He's got them thicc, child-bearing shins.

>>49927651
It's just a mkii veteran helmet that I chopped the Caedere Renissium off of.

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>>49927548
>Masochistic
>Not Dorn
What is the difference between Avoidant and Antisocial?

>>49927664
>If you have axes in the squad and sarge to take a challenge, the Vig could go sword and hopefully cut down a marine or two before they go.

That's what I've been thinking.

>Legion makes a difference also

Not allowed to awoo yet.

>>49927665
>60 attacks on the charge

Unfortunately just got a 10 strong unit. For now.

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>>49927601
He's a strong independent character who don't need no Primarch
>>49927725
>child-bearing shins.
eh

>>49927758
Ten man unit probably won't last super long in most settings. They're still just marines

Master of Signal, for example, can't take a power fist. Does this mean that, say, a DG Master of Signal can't take a power scythe? The rule says that it has to be eligible to take a power fist.

>>49927384
>knight-beating list full of Cortus dreads
Can I see it? It's strange how +10pts per dread can turn a list from Angry Grandpas into KNIGHT EATERS
>Cortus Dreads killed the boxnought star

>>49927835
Not everybody can be choppy, anon. I'm sorry.

>>49927821
I know, I just don't have the models.

>>49927835
Sounds pretty straight forward to me. Ineligible for fist, then no scythe. MoS is no cc dude anyway

>>49927874
No worries anon. Always room to expand. Hope they work for you

>>49927877
I was just using him as an example, because he was the first one I could think of.

>>49927837
Someone mentioned a few months back that the local meta had one guy who beat the tar out of everyone with an IH armoured breakthrough list, it was so good he stopped bringing it except against WAAC tryhards/tournaments. It was four predators for scoring, Ferrus in a Raider, Orth in a venator, some tanks and a pile (six or more) of chainfist cortuses. Notably, it fucked over the previous champion list full of Knights, since the +1 initiative thing allowed them to kill Knights before they swung. I can't remember if he posted the actual list

>>49927986
A quick thought tells me that triple Kraken Lightnings would fuck that list pretty badly, even before going into legion-specifics.
It takes one to beat one, I guess.

>>49928030
Presumably it worked through target saturation, since even if you kill off three things with the krakens theres still at least nine more AV13+ units after you blow your load, plus you'd have tougher scoring units than most. It just stuck in my mind as a way to win against Knight lists, which are cancer near me. Air-Spam does seem to be the way to beat it, though.

>>49927393

So. My mate and I have reached a conundrum.

Can Tahgmata Omnissiah, Ordo Reductor, and Legio Cybernetica army lists take an allied knight detachment?

All four of the armies are separate army lists with unique units and everything.

Questoris Knights are their own army list, and even in a separate book.

But in their respective books, there is a little tagline.
In The Tahgmata Army List:
>'The 'Mechanicum' entry on the Allies Chart includes the Taghmata Omnissiah army list as well as its variants.'

And in the Questoris Knight Crusade Army list is the following:
>When using the Allies in the Age of Darkness chat (see page 253), the Questoris Knight Crusade army uses the 'Mechanicum' line on the chart for determining any relationship of alliance.'

So since there is no self allying in 30k, does this mean that unless you take a knight as a LOW or with archmagos Drakyvac, you can never have automata and knights in the same list?

Or if you can ally with Questoris Army list, does this mean I can take a Legio Cybernetica Army with an allied Reductor detatchment? Since all 3 are seperate army lists.

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>>49928130
I think Imperial Militia can ally with Solar Auxilia, so Mechanicum would be able to ally with Questoris Knights.
Even though you can already bring Knights as Lords of War.
I hope this is the correct quote

>>49928220
Sweet jesus, thank you for helping to clear that up. I was so sad for a little bit.

>>49928220
You're a rock star.

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Finally finished these dudes.

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>>49928537
HNNNNNG!

Anon, give them to me! I demand it.

MkIII, a sweet paintjob, and shoulder-fired lascannons are pure sex.

>>49928537
I love your DGs man, they're nice.

>>49928537
They look incredible, anon. Lascannons came out looking amazing.
The central guy looks into my soul, and finds me wanting

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Asked late in the last thread:

Gonna start HH. Which Legion is most befitting of an errant son of Scotland?

>>49928585
Terran Death Guard.

They're Scottish.

Though, the best legion is whicjever legion (You) yourself like.

>>49928585
Space wolves?
Tartant, woad, broadswords and a hate for the Romans- I mean Ultramarines.

>>49928585
A) that pic is awful and i feel bad for laughing
B) death guard were from the isles, and are at home in shitty places full of foul swamps and miscellaneous disgusting things

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>>49928565
Oh you definitely want it ;^)
>>49928585
IW are potato
SW speak funny
not NL, even though they're bretons
Death Guard, the Emperor's Red Right Hand from Albion

>>49928621
>A) that pic is awful and i feel bad for laughing
Wait what? It's somewhere between really liking the juice and realization the juice was spiked with vodka (but keep sipping).

>>49928650
>(but keep sipping).
theres my problem

>>49928666
Afraid of some alcohol, satan?

>>49928687
Afraid of a long, slow, descent into a hell where theres too many plastic cans instead of plastic models, maybe.

I'm a goddamn World Eater, not a Slaaneshi
No matter how tempting...

>>49927156
>I have kharn and my butchers in my stormlord there is no way I can make an opponent split up their fire. that would be target #1 no matter what. but if I had red butchers deep striking in turn one behind enemy lines that might make any player nervous
5 Butchers, deepstriking in a Dreadclaw?
>>49928718
Khornedammed

>>49928561
>>49928562
>>49928565
Thanks Anons, I appreciate it

>>49928603
>>49928621
>>49928628
Majority votes for Dusk Raiders. FREEDOM MARCHES EVER FORWARD, BROTHERS!

PS - Fake waifu is best waifu.

>>49928537
Great work. Is the white shoulderpad a common sergeant marker or something?

I want to build a small force of 30k Mechanicum to get me started, so I'm going to limit myself to 250£ so I don't go overboard I'll mostly be allying them with 40k Mechanicus because no one here plays 30k
What should I get? I thought about Draykavac at first but running standard Taghmata means I have to run kinda shitty troops

>>49928885
Nah, Death Guard are frequently reassigned roles or even units depending on need. I mix up the colouring a bit to break up the uniformity and to imply different marines were part of different formations prior to the one they're in now. I should do a helmet stripe for the sergeant but I was lazy and instead slapped a Destroyer emblem on his right gauntlet.

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>>49928982
Which models in the Mechanicum range turn you on?

>>49929012
Allright, cool. The subtlety suits DG well.

>>49929031
which ones dont turn everybody on?

>>49929043
Personally I'm not a fan of the Ursarax but everything else is pretty damn cool. Looking forward to seeing the Macrocarid model, looks super-solid, just how I imagined an exploratory vehicle made for altered gravitation forces and venturing into likely hostile territory.

Anyway, back to what to spend your money on. Thallax, Castellax and a Krios of some description? Pretty decent start right there.

>>49929031
I think Legio Cybernetica appeals, question is do I go for Archmagos Dominus or Inar Satarael? Also what guns should go on the Castellax?

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>>49929012
You do know the fluff!
Would drink the Cups with/10
Srry I just wanted to post an image

>>49928982
A Magos, some of either Thallax or Castellax and either a Thanatar or Krios. Thats a great start.

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>>49929141
I'm awful at remembering how you structure a Mechanicum list, but 1d4chan has Inar Satarael under Taghmata. Are you able to take him for Legio Cybernetica? Reading over his rules on the same 1d4chan page suggests he's perfect for Cybernetica but it's worth checking. I'd go Inar Satarael until you think up a dope backstory for your own Archmagos, and then you could make your own.

The Castellax loadout would totally depend on what you want them to do. If you're starting out small and you're likely to be playing mostly ZM games to begin with then basic Castellex with Mauler cannons and flamers would probably be all you need.

In my experience the cabling attaching the powerplant of the Castellax to the Darkfire cannons are horrible to work with. I snapped 2 out of 3 in the models I have, so I replaced the cabling with guitar string. Pic related. Just forewarning you.

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Got drunk and productive.
DA sketch for my HH legions diorama thing.

Only 17 more to go!

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Quick question, lads. Can Imperial Militia:

a) purchase a single Provenance per detachment - or two if you take a Force Commander? Or
b) may take up to two Provenances - IF your detachment takes a Force Commander?

>>49928718
>Not working your ass off to afford both
>Not being trained to paint whilst intoxicated
>Not drinking and collecting plastic soldiers to fill the emptiness and existential dread that came as your fiancée left

It's like you don't even hobby, brother.

>>49929230
>>49929227
I'm considering Draykavac + 2 Thallax w/ Photon Thrusters, one of the standard Thanatar and that leaves me with room for either a bit more infantry or another thantar/krios
>>49929230
duly noted, although I'd still rather have a darkfire cannon over a multimelta

>>49929356
Add some thallax to that setup and you have a pretty good list. Tough scoring, stompy monsters and the toughest artillery you can get

>>49929378
Alright, do you know if you can get the Thallax special weapons with the bundle?

>>49929282
>"The presence of a Force Commander in the army allows up to two different Provenances to be selected for the detachment via their Muster of Worlds special rule. Any single detachment can never have more than two Provenances however..."

>>49929487
Poop. Thanks, brosky.

>>49929141
>>49929230


Satarael is ok. His weird repulsor field is freaky and can be lulz, but it's really a 4+ invuln that only works on S6+ single target shots. The big issue is that aside from being an MC and having 5 wounds...he's not that awesome. He's as tough as any other kitted magos...but a similar kitted archmagos dominus will ALSO be t6. He will be 4 wounds but will have a 2+ armor and 3+ invuln as opposed to a 3+ armor save and a weird pseudo-invuln. And the archmagos will have basicly all the same rules (except fear) and A High Techno-Arcana...for like 210 points as opposed to 295.

You can take Inar Satarael in Cybernetica, but I'd just take the Dominus.

As for the castellax guns, depends. I like to use 2 squads of 3 with mauler, bolter, flamer for all purpose deathstar-ing, and then use 1 unit of 3-4 Darkfire castellax that my Archmagos Domonis rolls around with casting rites on as needed. Never go with melta as it's too close range and your army is slow af and anything rushing up quick to meet them is either not melta-able, armored ceramite clad, or can kill it before it does any real dama.e

is the hammer of olympia ryte of war gud?

>>49929146
Were one of these legion heraldry and tactical markings pages ever done for World Eaters?

>>49929345
Not him, but anon, please. I'm miserable enough as it is.

>>49929636
It's no Iron Fire, but it's not terrible.

Scimitar Jetbike riders don't wear backpacks...?

>>49929706
No, their ride powers their armor. Just like rhino crew.

What's the ETA on Inferno these days?

>>49929953
After christmas

>>49929980
>>49929953

Well after Christmas. Last I heard was at the next FW open day in February or somesuch.

RGBro, do you happen to be around?

>>49930015

>Inferno's not quite ready yet, we just need another couple of months to iron out the creases
>Coming up with rules and models for three or four marine units is just sooooooooo hard
>Meanwhile, here's yet another knight
>And some more alternative heads for a titan that only ten people will ever buy

Which Land Raider should I get to put a Terminator Iron father and his bros in?

>>49930076
Well, seeing as all the Raiders available to legions are trasport capacity 10 or smaller, i would suggest getting a Spartan

>>49930039
I'm an RG bro, but not the tripRG Bro.

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Lupercal!

>>49930090

I'd presume that he's taking a command squad so that he kan keep the unit small enough to fit in a landy.

>>49930076

The only one with an assault ramp.

>>49930094
Show me yer RG, mein friend.

>>49929251
Cool!

What legion works well (rulewise) with Word Bearers?

when sanguinius

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>>49930432
Pic
>>49930328
Sons of Horus are your only sworn brother, but they have bitter pride.

>>49927551
Fucking china resin

>>49927726
The antisocial person just don't like or get along with people. The avoidant person thinks that people don't like him, so he stays away from people as a precaution so that his feelings wont be hurt.

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>>49928565
I gotchu bruv.

>>49929251
That looks pretty great!
It coumd be bulkier but it's still a goof start, keep it up.

Quick question:

Is there any way to play a Flesh Tearers Chapter list with BA rules?
Considering Amit and his chapter were already pretty damn famous at the time, it could be fluffy.

>>49930442
Now for a model...

>>49929672
No, I'm afraid not.

>>49930467
>miniature was released 3 days ago
>somehow chinamen would've already gotten access to it and sent it to anon in that time

FW's quality may be better than recasts, but they still come with a multitude of imperfections.

>>49930538
Yeah load up on close combat weapons and use the day of sorrow RoW

>>49930556
Not that anon, but I honestly suspected the same.
In comparison, the two legion tribunes that I got (one still unopened) are absolutely flawless, while anon's model is...well it's pretty shit honestly. If he bought a legit model in a legit GW store at a legit GW price, his wallet got fucked needlessly.

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>>49930467

>>49930076
If it's a Command Squad, Phobos since you can assault IIRC

>>49930567
>>49930538

Day of sorrow is a defensive RoW without many benefits outside of your own deployment zone, Day of Revelation is much better for rip and tear.

>>49930567
>>49930699
Yeah, looking at the rules, Day of revelation seems more suited.

>>49930328
I like WE for fluff reasons.
Also, not a legion, but daemons.

>tfw fails to answer question twice in two different ways.

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If somebody can read them the rules for custodes are out.

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>>49930814

>>49930814
Ap3 rending thanks god.

>>49930814
5+ invul, thank fuck.


>>49930826
I know right.

>>49930814
>>49930818
I can't read this shit on my tiny ass screen. Can someone tell me if they're as broken as the 40k bullshit?

>>49930843
More in Line with 2W TDA and expensive. Base squad 4.

>>49930843
Copied from 40kg:

Spear Custodes have Preturnatural Skill, The Sodalitym Inviolable Psyche and Bulky special rules.

Preturnatural Skill: +1 to Initiative in the Assault if their WS is equal or above the majority WS of the unit or units they are fighting.

Sodality: Units made up of models with this rule get a unit coherancy of 3 inches instead of 2. They can also attempt to regroup with an unmodified Leadership test regardless of casualties taken or other effects.

Inviolable Psyche: Immune to Fear and can re-roll deny the witch.

Armour has 2+ Save and 5+ Invuln.

Guardian Spears have the Lightning Blows rule, meaning on 6s they generate extra attacks. Those attacks don't generate new ones.

Shield guys have Praesidium Shields, 4+ re-rollable Invuln.

Spears are Str User but +1 on charge, 3 AP but 2 on the charge, Specialist weapon, Warblades are User Stre, 3 AP, Rending and specialist weapon.

There's going to be a bunch more of SoS and Custodes and other stuff in a FW book Horus Heresy 7: Talons of the Emperor.

These guys being available to any Loyalist faction using "Agents of the Emperor" line of the Age of Darkness Allies chart.

>>49930861
>FW book Horus Heresy 7: Talons of the Emperor.

Dafuq?

>>49930861
So... No transport?

>>49930882
Not yet, they may get those in the Black Book they mention, though I doubt that it'll be #7, #8 makes more sense, 7 would be Inferno I think?

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1/3

>>49930861
So unkillable with Ap3 rend or buffed Phoenix terminator ?

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>>49930895
2/3

>>49927548
I'd probably say sanguinius had anger management disorder, along with trait anxiety disorder

I have 435 points left to add to an IF list consisting of a Praetor and Command Termies in a LR, x3 Vet Squad with Plasma in Rhinos, and a Sicaran with Lascannons.

Not sure what else to bring. I'm still purchasing models so I'm really open to ideas.

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>>49930904
3/3

>>49930877
You can read it on the first image: it's the talons of the emperor army list, from inferno.

>>49930882

Seems like it. No deep strike either. My bet is that the rules are like Russ', temporary.

>>49930897

I don't know how to feel about not having the insanely buff commander like the 40k version.

spotted this over at BaC
like the look of it, and it seems to solve the mystery of how you use sevatar in terror assault
just thought id see what what /tg/ makes of it

RITE OF WAR
Terror Assault

HQ
Sevatar
175
Praevian, Castellax, Darkfire Cannon
210 pts

ELITES
Apothecary
Chainglaive, Artificer Armour
55 pts
x10 Legion Cataphractii Terminators,
Teleportation Transponder, x2 Chain Fists, x8 Power Fists
385 pts
x8 Veteran Squad
Artificer Armour, x7 Power Axe, Chainglaive, Melta Bombs, Drop Pod, Furious Charge
310 pts

TROOPS
x10 Terror Marines
Artificer Armour, Chainglaive, Melta Bombs, 10 Volkite chargers
275
x10 Terror Marines
Artificer Armour, Chainglaive, Melta Bombs, 10 Volkite chargers
275
x10 Terror Marines
Artificer Armour, Chainglaive, Melta Bombs, 10 Volkite Chargers
275

FAST ATTACK
x10 Night Raptors
Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, x10 Chainglaives
365

Heavy Support
Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought
Missile Launcher
220

Lord of War
Konrad Curze
435 pts

Total: 3000 pts

Konrad goes with Raptor's, Sevatar goes in drop pod with vets and apothecary.

>>49930895
>>49930904
>>49930913
So it's shit, the shield invu is only rerollable in hth and 3 of them cost like 5 base TDA.

Waiting for the SoS rules.

soooo...we see that various mk's of armour have survived and are still in use in 40k but are there any examples (fluffwise/lorewise ect ect) of the solar auxilia armour and weaponry making it to 40k? how about the solar auxilia themselves? what happened to them?

>>49927726
if dorn was a masochist he'd have just let guilliman continue to shoot down the phalanx with copies of the codex
but instead he chose to brainwash himself into appreciating the book
is there such thing as a martyr complex for your own sanity?

>>49930930
>TDA
Who?

>>49930934
>are there any examples (fluffwise/lorewise ect ect) of the solar auxilia armour and weaponry making it to 40k

No, because FW made them up not that long ago, and thus have not been a thing outside their HH fluff.

>what happened to them?

Probably became Guard and/or PDF.

>>49930947
That's spergs way to say termies. Tactical Dreadnaught Armor.

>>49930956
Right I see, cheers!

>>49930895
>>49930904
>>49930913
>Use one squad as HQ
>Custodes come as squads of 3 so 6 are needed for allied detachment
>5 Custodes in BoP
Well shit.

>>49930981
Ebay is your enemy, but so is GW. Ebay, the enemy of your enemy, is your friend.

>>49930981
Just buy more BoP, dear customer! Yeah, it sucks. However, truth be told I will buy 2, but only because I am splitting one with a friend.

Also, where my SoS at?

>>49930926

Terror assault always leave su troops heavy, but you have no ranged way to deal with heavy armour, thats going to fuck you in the butt hard.

What do the cataphractii do? teleport in and sit holding their dicks for a turn while they get shot?

Give them combi weapons so sev can bring them in near a vehicles rear armour for melta.

do all the terror squads need volkite? 10 is overkill as youll wanna charge afterwards, and often youll charge in a second terror squad to a target already in combat for support, so cant shoot..
night raptors are gonna get bumfucked, they have a 2 handed 10point weapon on a model which costs a tonne and has only 1 attack. theyre going to get shot to pierces too, maybe give them the apothecary.

the praevian with 1 castellax is...good but lacks manouvreability and has low fire output, maybe consider a vigilator to go with raptors or something like that.

>>49930981
buy six
you know you want to

>>49930926
Thats a 500 point unit that, same as the Raptors, is insane overkill against t4 marines yet can't damage vehicles. The only thing s7 or higher that isnt a meltabomb or charge turn 3 at the earliest is the dorito, and turn three you've usually lost night fighting and its bonuses. The dorito is also the only anti-flier the list has. Sev and his vets are also sitting on their arse for a turn after the pod comes in, too. At 3k, i expect to see any combination of shit like a Typhon, multiple Krios, 3+fliers, Thanatars, Firedrake/Justaerin deathstars in spartans etc. The list's best asset is saturation of bodies, which isnt that great against the increasing artillery/vehicle spam you see these days. While its not a BAD list, its not any better at using Sev than any other terror assault. Also, not sure about those points costs and such, the termies are definitely off

>>49930998
>>49931006
Wait I forgot
>No rules for the banner
That's the real crime here, since that's a really cool banner.
>>49931008
Oh I know I want to.

>>49930895
>>49930904
>>49930913

>They can be swept.

It's over Custode-bros.

>>49931044
>No rules for the banner

Considering a few days ago some people wanted my head for not noticing that the banner was the vexilla, I find this incredibly amusing.

>>49931060
Await the Banner rules, they'll get a fearless bubble, they'll have to right?

>>49930856

The rerollable 4++ that the shield guys get in close combat is effectively a 2.5++, and with the T5 making them immune to being ID-ed by most things that would cause that sort of problem for other 2W terminators, they're pretty hard to put down and at a cheaper cost per wound. It's the damage output where they're weak - with only 3 attacks on the charge they're likely to murk fewer than 2 MEQ apiece, which is about as killy as a veteran with a power sword.

>>49930981
>get BoP
>got a slaughterpriest I intend to convert into a custodes character
>6 models total

Everything went better than expected.

Though I am thinking of finding someone who wants to trade their Custodes for my Sisters and then I'll have 11 models. Maybe 4+IC in a transport while 6 will move on foot. I hope they'll get bolter & pickelhaube tacticals as well. Unit of them as well and I'll be happy.

>>49931111
I want valdor and his hq squad of companions.

One mini allready looks like him.

Super marine-marines.

Also the spear is the sexiest weapon.

>>49931072
UNYIELDING RAGE

>>49931129
I would have loved a bit more weapon mixing similar to 40k rules. Also I remembered something and went back to check: they are all characters.

>>49931129
Now that they got Inv. saves, spears are more tempting option.

>>49931076
Well Scoria isn't fearless either, so good luck eh?

>>49931159
Since the whole squad has to keep the same gear configuration and there are no other options, I will make 3 into spears and 2 into swords and proxy when I use them.

>>49931105
Except they are not going to live to see close combat. No transport, they are going to eat plasma/volkite saturation all day.

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>2xBoP marines+termies from ebay
>deathshroud and MkIII command bits for HQs from ebay
>60 MkIII shoulder pads, 10 flamers and 5 more Grave Wardens from FW

I didn't need to do this.

>>49931178
>there are no other options

Well, I mean that other than minimum Troops, spears aren't that terrible and you could consider them for you HQ as well.

>>49929586
>his WT pretty much turns friendly Taghmata 12" around him into Word Bearers, rolling an additional D6 and keeping the lowest two dice when making Morale checks. Because most of your army also is Stubborn this works out very nicely. Having a TL Maxima bolter, a Graviton Imploder and a Servo-arm (which usually are mutually exclusive) he's very cheap for what you get. But for a little more I could get me a Knight! Yes, but he is both an Archimandrite AND an Archmagos Dominus, having a Djinn-skein (with 4 optional Cyber-occularii), Cybertheurgy and a Cortex Controller - in fact he's the only way of having both in your army.
He's more 2-characters in one than a super ArchDominus, who by the way, don't get a High Techno-arcana.

>>49931194
Have fun son of Barbarusa.

>>49931206
No no, I meant for the tow units in the WD. Proxying as spear guard or sentinel using models with the other weapon while indicating the unit. But yeah, lances are cool.

>>49931193

Well, the are only temp rules for two units. Since they are meant to be another army, I expect them to have some when inferno releases, maybe before via pdfs on the website.

Still, as they are right now they will be hard to deploy, yes.

>>49930895
>>49930904
>>49930913
>spear is suitably offensive without going all the way with AP2 and they still have 5++ defensively
>shield is suitably defensive without going all the way with 3++ and they still have rending offensively
>plasma grenades and move through cover
>"we're better than you at close combat" rules that actually works well instead of the awkward as fuck block rule
>not all the way to fearless but still immune to fear
>not all the way to eternal warrior but still T5
>shooting weapons are assault 2

Thank god that FW can write sensible rules, the hack job on the 40k rules made me worried for a second.
>still characters so they can juggle wounds around
Fuck.

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>>49931194

Holy shit.

>>49931269
The character bit makes sense though, I agree on wound juggling being bullshit though.

>>49930930
>the shield invu is only rerollable in hth
Yes, because rerolling it all the time is 40k levels of power creep.
>3 of them cost like 5 base TDA
And have a superior statline, more wounds total, saves as good as cataphratii without the snp.

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>>49930861
>Spears are Str User but +1 on charge, 3 AP but 2 on the charge
Why are Custodes armed with Phoenix Spears?
EVEN POWER GLAIVES ARE BETTER
And they can be swept!
>>49931175
He doesnt need to, all bots are fearless and he can join them
>>49931193
And lost deepstrike as well. Not a grav rhino, not even an auric land raider. Even the DA will have floaty LRs.

>>49931318
Agreed on all. I just want a delivery system to deep strike them with my Knight Errant.

>>49931392
Well, I think it is more about game balance. they are already S5, besides the extra S6AP2 hits in case of 6 in the charge. That is a harsh thing.

>>49931392
>Why are Custodes armed with Phoenix Spears?
>Phoenix spears have built in bolters and generate extra hits on 6s on a superior chassis
Comb your beard and shut the fuck up.

>>49931421
And if they're fighting anyone with WS5 or less (everyone except Praetors and Primarchs) they're I5.

>>49931392
>Why are Custodes armed with Phoenix Spears?
power spears lack the bolter and can't generate extra attacks in assault

>>49931392
>looked up the 40k Custodes
>DDD:
What the fuck were they thinking?
People still bitch about the power creep in 5e, but it had a baseline. This is spiraling out of control.

>>49931433
Don't EC have some kind of extra initiative thing?

>>49930442
How does Sangy compare to the other primarches?
Offhand, he is... ok, but I thought we were gonna get a elegant beatstick to equal Horus.
>>49931442
So do Custodes.

>>49931453
>So do Custodes.
My bad, was thinking about WS, not initiative.

>>49931453
Its pretty obviously a fanmade thing, Sang won't have rules for a good while

>>49931421
>>49931430
>>49931438
Shouldnt they be always AP2?
>>49931442
Always +1I on the charge. no matter if youare worse WS than the enemy. And regular sgts can reach I6 when duelling on the turn they charge. But being T5 Custodians are both fast and resilient.

>>49931491
>Shouldnt they be always AP2?
why should they be?

>>49931491
The only time spears are not AP3 is on the charge, or in the power creep fest that is 40k right now.

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Today's forgeworld bulletin was interesting.

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>>49931542
2/2

I have been checking the Ahriman model to see what can be salvaged (easily) for conversions. So far, I think that only the cape+backpack can be used, but then it has two problems: the TS sign, which can be solved using greenstuff and some filing, and that the cape is meant to contact a pauldron.

The rest of the armor... it just has too much TS stuff on it, even if you loop the bunny ears and cut the hands to puto power weapons or bolters or whatever.

>>49931542
NOW THIS IS PODRACING

>>49931546
Some kind of grav sicaran?

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>>49931542
>>49931546

>>49931542
>>49931546
I'm sorry, but all I can see is just two massive floating dildos.

>>49931546
>>49931542
Shampoo Bottle/10

>>49931542
>>49931546
WTF full on Imperial Hover Tanks...

>>49931566
>>49931600

The Double Dildaran!

>>49931542
This looks far too futuristic for Imperium. I know Custodes get the best stuff, but this is way out of regular GW/FW miniatures

>>49931614
>too futuristic for Imperium

Meanwhile Outriders, Javelins, etc. get a pass?

>>49931542
>>49931546

How are any crew supposed to fit in that thing?

>>49931624
I see your point, but still, this looks like ti belongs into Eldar range.

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>>49931630

>>49931613
>Dildaran
Pack it all boys, it has been baptised already.

>>49931614
I agree, it's more Tau than the blocky design of the Imperium.

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>>49931542
On another point, those gun muzzles...
They look like Mini-Nova Cannon, but with some kind of enhanced Accelerator Autocannon barrel right behind it.

>>49931630
Through the front hatch. Seeing that the turret seems automated, it's possible it only has one crew inside it.

>>49931640
>>49931644
But it looks like two Jetbikes, and those are human. Two joined together do look very different though

>>49931661
Yeah, jetbikes still looked blocky, it only had a penis head and that's it.
This one has very round, soft egdes.
Hell isn't the only picture of grav rhino just a rhino, blocky as ever, simply floating and without treads?

>>49931647
Look like what some sci-fi things make rail guns look like, although there's enough antitank in 30k already

>>49931542
God that looks gay. Like full blown AIDS gay. Hope for DA hover tanks just died. Forever.

>>49931503
Because they are the best of the best of the best, sir. With honours.
>>49931642
kek

Do cognus signum stack ?

>>49931542
>>49931546
Theorycrafting a statline for it, go

BS5 12-12-11 3HP Fast Skimmer
Hull mounted TL HB-Can be swapped for hull mounted TL-HFlamer, MMelta and Plasma Cannon for free/10/15 points, respectively
Custodes-pattern Nova-Accelerator Autocannon-48" S7 AP3 Heavy 6
Twin-linked, Ignores cover

Weapons can choose to fire at different target, Autocannon gets to choose whether or not to use Skyfire or not at the start of each new turn

Grav-Backwash, Deep Strike

105 points

>>49931542
> modern cars look like electric razors
- Marv

>>49931654

>Through the front hatch

There isn't even close to enough room for a custodes to sit up in there (or anyone else for that matter).

>>49931642

Seems legit.

>>49931721
If they're a new "army" then they'll need some anti-tank, can't always just add Allies.

>>49931758
Looks pretty decent, maybe add a 5+ Invul. Save from some light shielding?

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>>49931781
>sit up

>>49931542
We tau now.

The IMPERIUM design that is 'boxy' is new tech in the timeline. The Custodes shit is old skool tech. Get with the fluff noob

>>49931795
>maybe add a 5+ Invul. Save from some light shielding?
I was about to say this.

>>49931834
Why is Malcador boxy when it's also old?

>>49931856
because its old new, not old old

>>49931856
Because the Admech doesn't have the capacity to build the good shit anymore, and boxy shit is easier.

>>49931553
And to think, some chucklefuck in HHG the other day kept fighting me when I told him he was retarded for thinking he could convert it into a Dogfucker Yiffboy.

"Enjoy your Babylonian Viking covered in scarabs and ancient Egyptian robes," I said.

"The robes look fine for a Space Wolf, and I can easily file those off," he said, completely ignorant of how Ahriman's model screams "AESTHETICS OF THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST" at the top of its voice.

What a retard. I hope you're reading this, retarded poorfag wolf Anon.

>>49931758
>Hull mounted TL HB

I don't think that's a heavy bolter. Looks way too small for that. More like TL bolters.

>Custodes-pattern Nova-Accelerator Autocannon-48" S7 AP3 Heavy 6 Twin-linked, Ignores cover
>gets to choose whether or not to use Skyfire or not at the start of each new turn

Don't forget Interceptor while you're at it. And why not Rending as well?

>>49931886
Just give it AP2 and armorbane.

>>49931775
Underrated post

>>49931809
>>49931642
I thought it more likely the pilot was lying on their front, like the batmobile's shooting mode in batman begins.

>>49931870
But Malcador is 30k old. It's older than the Russ. Why is it box and not sexy sleek?

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>>49931542
Yes YESSS NOW WE HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE

>>49931893
This isn't 40k.

>>49931900
I'm pretty sure human antigrav is mostly DaoT shit, maybe they liked their retrofuturistic art-deco curves during the Dark Age.

>>49931900
>30k old
thats not nearly old enough. grav tech is back from the dark age of technology, basically. that and the emperor was developing new tech by himself and gave it to the custodes.

>>49931900
you're trolling or fucking stupid? Terra tech PREDATES 30k you fucking mong...

If the Thousand Sons were recruited from the Achaemenid empire, why does the legion feature so many egyptian motifs?

>>49931941
>thats not nearly old enough

So the Javelin speeder, Outrider bikes, this thing, Falchions, Glaives, Fellblades, etc. were not made during 30k, but just sat in some armoury somewhere waiting to be discovered? And none were built by the Imperium?

I'm pretty sure land speeders, for example, were just based on an STC for grav-plates and everything else was designed by the Mechanicum.

Say what you will about Kor Phaeron, nigga got some sweet lightning claws. I want to put them on something but idk what. Maybe an assault squad sergeant.

>>49931948
And according to Book 1, Malcador dates back to at least the Age of Strife on Terra.

>>49931882
I think I am going to save the cape for some centurion or such, it can be salvaged. As for the body... I don't know, I might asemble it because it might look cool when painted.

>>49931795
>5+ Invul. Save
It can jink, so i was just gonna let it do that. Everythings twinlinked anyway, except the customary trap option of the plasma cannon
>>49931886
>Bolter
It's pretty fucking big, maybe its some custodes-pattern bolt caster thing thats basically an upsized version of what they've got on their swords
>interceptor
Nah, i don't get the dorito/mortis helical array feel from it. Its more like a fancier railgun version of the Sicarian turret
>Rending
Because its already AP3 and i don't think it needs rending, an autocannon shouldnt be able to pen AV14.
So basically, muh opinions.

>>49931553
I'm looking at starting HH cheaply and I was trying to decide between two BaC or on BaC, one BoP. Since practically everything in BaC looks generic and since BoP has way more legion/side specific stuff it seems like a worse deal for anyone not after Ahriman or Imperial stuff. Shame.

>>49931758
Double the points why don't you. At least. It's almost as tough as a sicarian and deals more damage, let it be as expensive as one

>>49931966
Because legions got their theme after being reunited with their primarch. Obviously prospero had lots of Egyptian culture and influences.

>>49931754
Don't think I dont read your question, I'm simply not sure about the answer. Anyway, you can only have 2 Cognis, maybe three tops, and BS6 isn't that better than BS5, and IW already ride the ironfire.
A Djinn-skein doesn't work on non-mechanicum units, but Cognis Signums from SA/LA do work on their mechanicum allies, so you might be onto something there.
Why are you asking?
>>49931775
Good one

>>49932056
It is not because of the "cheaply". It's just about getting max use for what you buy. I am going to make praetors out of bits, even with the BaC consul and praetor around, since I don't like their look.

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>>49931542
>>49931546
I hope the Custodes like the smell of deodorant because mine will be made of speedstick(s) just as they were in days of yore.

>>49931614
>pic related

Post pics of your contemptors everyone, I want inspiration

Also Custodes dreads when

>>49931909
>>49932129
grogmind

>>49932059
Its a great deal more vulnerable to mid strength weaponry, in combat it gets damaged by S5, it can't be squadroned and it lacks rending. Its good at mulching 3+ infantry, and average at best for everything else. Also sicarians are mildly overcosted now compared to predators imo

>>49932151
>getting into combat with a fast skimmer
Because that happens all the time to Eldar in 40k right?

>>49932039
>It can jink, so i was just gonna let it do that. Everythings twinlinked anyway, except the customary trap option of the plasma cannon

Jink is only a cover save, hence my comment about actually giving it an Invul.

>>49930912

Dorne

>>49931542
JUST

>>49930169
Noiceee
>>49928537
very Nice

>>49930912
Javelins or a couple of dickbikes

Nothing like a little bit of high speed firepower

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>>49932228

>>49928628
>IW are potato
Wait, are the Iron Warriors supposed to be Irish?

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So it's the "Caladius".

Have anyone else noted that those mega sites don't actually have Age of Darkness army list pdf, it's just Age of Darkness Legions re-named... :(

>>49932418
Some reason they claim their Slavic because of a video.

>>49932500
Yes they do

Look harder

>>49932418
It's a meme about the IWs being amerislavstralians because russians and a CoD youtube poop, don't worry about it.

>>49932493
Dildaran sounded better.

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>>49932418
>>49932505
I thought we'd decided they were texan.

>>49932561
No, that's the Iron Hands.

>>49931886
Seems like typical forgeworld rules.
If they are chained to a pretty existing stat line (ie most Marines stuff) they don't fuck it up too bad.
But let them create shit from scratch (Sicarian, all Mechanium units, Tau super suits [non hazard, riptide plus level]) and the shit is out of control. They have zero concept of balance

>>49932611

>mechanicum is op meme

When will it end

>>49932611
anyone else remember the old heavy mortar rules?

incendiary shells were bullshit

Am I the only one who's noticed that no one can use Malcador Defender's?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Adeptus_Custodes_(30k)

>>49932561
Right?
I really like the idea of Marines with the southern drawl.

>"Now y'all go teyal them theyah xenoes that the aengels of deyath and despeyuh have arrived."
>"Y'all teyal them that theyah plans hath come to rew'in."
>"Y'all teyal em ain't nuthin' gonna save em now."

In fact, as far as I can tell, the Irish don't get any form of space marine legion/chapter

>>49932694

So they're Starcraft marines

Who themselves are basically just rogue trader marines

>>49932694
Mate, Terran Iron Hands. >>49932589

>>49932727
>So they're Starcraft marines

Except competent, yeah.

>>49931111
Glad I'm not the only only going full AWAKEN MY MASTERS with the free Slaughterpriest

>>49932500
Here's a link with the correct document, but it is an epub.
https://mega.nz/#!DhIVFLBZ!8GiXQ0hnqVBQ34cf1wrEJB6g0mUr258m0KGYp5uZclM

Someone should move this to the primary Mega, this is on my personal one.

>>49932661
Ah, the "just quote the rules" approach to tactica.

>>49932638
When a less than 300 pt character can't slaughter most Primarchs
When they can't build a bear a solution to any weakness
When FW stops throwing ridulous rules on the next fucking robot they release.

>>49932694
Garbage.
Your "these are <M2 location> marines!" is just lowest common denominator 40k shit lore seeping into 30k. If your entire army can be described by the name of a single culture then your lore is shit. Even 30k Ultramarines are a combination of modern-day government management with Roman aesthetics.

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>>49932638
>Laughs in Vultarax

>>49931996
Ma nigga! Love big hooked talons like the Dark Fury CotS raven's talons and Kor Phaeron's claws.

What Legion you run?

>>49932844
Because romans sure as hell didn't have logistics, or government, and history isn't just a praise of Rome.
What, you want people to relate to that M23 warlord that went with his group of followers on a pilgrimage to an inhospit land on what was basically a dare, and then built an empire, but then fought against the enemy warlord who defeated him with proscribed weaponry and now onlythe ruins of his empire remain? I just described the aztecs, dude.
Let the people use irish and texans for their toy soldier game! What have you got against M2 and M3, you hate two full millenia?

>>49932831

Scoria is limited by a lack of assault transports and being infantry. Mean while primarchs roll around in spartans, buffing their whole army. If a primarch dies due to an entropic slap, that's your own fault.

They still haven't figured out their way around sniper bolters. Every single bot except the vulturax dies hard to them. And a decent amount of anti-air can take that out.

>>49932039
>It's pretty fucking big

It is? Compare it to the bolter on his staff and then account for the fact that he's bay in the background.

Am I pants on head retarded for wanting to take a Leviathan Dread at 2000 points?

>>49932812
There's gonna be a lot of AI-AI-AI-AI-AI-AI-AIIIIIIIIII soon.

>>49932972
I do Its not unusual to see either a Leviathan, a Knight or a Primarch at 2k. Probably not optimal, but not retarded

>>49932974
>custodes armour: 2+, 5++, move through cover
>custodes loincloth: no armour save, 5++, slide through cover, any model with line of sight must take a Blind test whenever the custodes does anything at all
>at all
>at all

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>>49933016
Now I'm kinda bummed I made a WE Gahlanpriest instead of a sexy Custode, yare yare...

>>49932911
>What, you want people to relate to that M23 warlord that went with his group of followers on a pilgrimage to an inhospit land on what was basically a dare, and then built an empire, but then fought against the enemy warlord who defeated him with proscribed weaponry and now onlythe ruins of his empire remain?
Yes. Because outright saying it's the aztecs immediately starts people talking about the Rainbow Warriors. Yes, of course there are going to be traits that are reused throughout history, but by directly tying an army to a culture brings along all of the /pol/ meme shit as well.

>>49933102
>Aztec Rainbow Warriors
I hate this meme with a burning passions. I well and truly hate it.

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>>49933055
Need to find a power fist with all the fingers spread.

>>49933135
Or greenstuff a heresy lightning claw

>>49933135
There are open hands in the prospero tartaros sets, if that works. Check the sprues at FW.

>>49930814
>>49930818
No EW and AP3 spears when not charging? Wooooooow. These guys are worse than the 40k version. We don't need more things to kill power armor. It's super easy to do so already.

Weren't pheonix spears supposed to be 'pale imitations'...

>>49931269
They're terrible. If these rules existed before typhons, phosphex rapiers, iron fire, stormswords, and the like then they would have been great. As they are now they're slightly better pheonix terminators.

>>49931392
HAHA YES THIS

>>49931430
>>49931438
The point
-
-
-
Your head

>>49931503
Because if a legion praetor and white scar literallywhos can get AP2 at initiative all the time then bodyguard of the goddamn emperor, hand crafted genesoldiers, with literally the best effing possible armory in the imperium should have better weapons.

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>>49933179
>>49933284
Nah, I think I found the one I want.

>>49933135
Why a power fist though?
A sorcerer open hand could do the trick.

>>49933303
>Weren't pheonix spears supposed to be 'pale imitations'...

Yes, Phoenix Spreads can't be used with another Specialist Weapon for +1A, doesn't generate extra attacks and doesn't contain a bolter.

>>49933323
>Why a power fist though?

Fist looks nice on him.

>A sorcerer open hand

The what now?

>>49933341
>>49933303
>The point
>-
>-
>-
>Your head

>>49933353
There are plenty of sorcerers/librarians with an open hand, which could do the trick. The new Arhiman anf the Red Scorpions chief librarian are good examples.

>>49933371
There's no point. If there was, you wouldn't shitpost, you'd make it.

>>49933397
All of which are bend the other way.

>>49933423
Oooh right, that's an issue.

>>49933412
The point is for 'pale imitations' of 'legendary polearms' they're really close to the real thing. Adding a bolter doesn't make it better.

And a rule thats based on the model wielding it(as in its not the spear thats the true source of the lightning rule, its that its a custode wielding it)

So really they only actual difference is that It has a storm bolter with kraken ammo in it. Big whoop.

>>49933341
Nobody expects a halberd to be able to be used along with a pistol as if it was a longsword. I mean, that doesn't happen IRL either, but you know what I'm talking about. Nobody cares if it is specialist weapon or two handed.
And the not-deflagrate rule is nice and all, but it only matters when it's AP2, which should be all the time and not just the charge.
And having a ranged weapon to go with your melee weapon is the bare minimum, not like those dumb phoenix termies that forgot their guns in Fulgrim's sex dungeon.

>>49933453
>a rule thats based on the model wielding it

Then why is the rule listed under the rules of the spear and not the Custodes themselves? Why can't a Custode with the sword use the rule?

>>49933515
>Nobody cares if it is specialist weapon or two handed.

You'll care once it comes time to equip your character and you can give him +1 with another specialist weapon, while that two-handed weapon cannot ever get the same bonus.

>only matters when it's AP2

Heard it here first, folks, Volkite weapons are shit because of AP3. Toss your models away.

>>49933585
>Then why is the rule listed under the rules of the spear and not the Custodes themselves? Why can't a Custode with the sword use the rule?
Because it's not a really long polearm. Read the fluff for the spear "... in the hands of a Custodian guard..." If you gave it to a marine it wouldn't do the same thing. A sword isn't the same either. It's listed under the weapon because that's the rules language to save space, rather than have a blurb in their unit entry "When equipped with spears..."

>>49933585
On melee weapons for the Custodes, dude. Also, what's wrong with having a two-handed polearm? Specialist weapon is a crunch mechanic that only matters to people who want more paragon blade attacks.

>>49933680
Actually. Looking at the Shield rules as well, I think that the full list will have the option to wield both Spear and Shield on characters. That wouldn't be possible if the Guardian Spear were two-handed rather than Specialist.

>>49930895
HOLD ON no Eternal Warrior? Sure they can't be WE Terminators 60 PF attacks of ID bs, but a Medusa will ruin their day....fuck I wanted a small elite 30k army that would be alright.

>>49933055
I like this conversion in concept, but I really think you should switch out the regular sized chainblade for a heavy chainsword or some kind of weapon that's a little more to scale.

>>49933708
Hey, I already accepted the hueg sword of huegness, don't force me to accept Custodians with both halberds and shields as well.

>>49933760
Why not both!? SWORD AND HALBERD

>>49932561
I almost feel like these would be great Thousand Sons breastplates if you didn't wanna Walk Like An Egyptian.

>>49933708
Now that you mention it... the kit comes with daggers, and the units mentions "close combat weapons" besides the sword and the spear. Either if we go by GW rules or AL power daggers, those are specialist weapons, which would mean +1 attack for the spear configuration. And also opens the posibility to a spear + shield combination.

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>>49933759
And not show how of a big man he is?
>>49933772
Wh-what's the first thing I'm saying, bro? Don't force me to accept it!

>>49933772
Make it a trick weapon. That way it can be a sword and a halberd.

>>49930956
Ive been playing since 3rd edition and this is the first time ive seen it. Fucking spergs. What was wrong with teq?

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>>49933794
Halberds are already spears and axes man! This relic is reserved for Valdor's hands only.

>>49933781
CCWs are S:User AP- anon.

>>49933826
No the sword becomes the halberd.
>that thing again
Who's idea was this? What made the creator devise such a thing?

>>49933781
>these rules aren't good enough
>I think they should have an extra attack because of reasons
>and AP2 all the time
Why do people do this?

>>49933746
>but a Medusa will ruin their day
did you think superheavy artillery WOULDN'T ruin their day? Really?

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>>49927393
So i just picked up pic related, and wanted to put a helmet on his dumb fucking head. What would be the best to use? i tried a mk7 (because i had one lying around) and its laughably too big.

So guys, which helm should i try?

>>49933830
Are they? Welp. Mind pointing me to the rules, because when I type Close Combat Weapon in the Army of Darkness book it takes me to the full CC list. Just in case I need it to solve other arguments in the future.

Also: I WANT TO BELIEVE. I know they are placeholders, but instead of double paging the units they could have just added another page with more stuff explaining how to use everything you get in BoP (Read: vexilla, for example)

>>49933890
The 40k rules have them as EW, that would make it so their day is not ruined.

>>49933891
A mk4 helmet that the other Justaerians use.

>>49933904
Page 41 in the main rulebook.

>>49933890
>Medusa
>superheavy artillery
Do you even decimate?

>>49933891
cataphractii terminator helms are closest (visually) to mk2 helmets

might need a bit of trimming to look right, though

>>49933924
clearly they got their shit pushed in by medusae and dreadnoughts hard enough to spend 10,000 years training to avoid it happening again

>>49933943
Aren't catti helms only the top half? i have only worked with the plastic ones

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>>49933856
"Why skulls please Khorne?
Why is golden objectively the best colour?"
That's how you sound when you ask why the creator and the Mechanicum do things. They just do it, anon. You probably question chainshovels too.
And those were rethorical questions, mind you.

>>49933891
>>49933943
justaerin all use mk4 style helms, and they#re in cataphractii. Abaddon is mr big justaerin, give him a cool mk4

>>49933926
Think i will go with that, can easily get a bunch of them thanks to B@C

>>49933879
>>these rules aren't good enough

The rules are an obvious placeholder that doesn't allow us to use half the configurations, nor explains the use of everything that is available for us.

>>I think they should have an extra attack because of reasons

I usually play with a friend that uses AL and combines power fists and power daggers for +1 attack. So yeah, if that possibility is available to the suppossed greatest soldiers of everything I want to know. I also talked of spear+shield, which wouldn't be possible if they were 2 handed, but is not considered in none of the two units.

>>and AP2 all the time

That's another anon. You don't have to be always angry.

>>49933879
Not sure who of us you were trying to quote, but for the record I'd give up the extra attacks and have a Two Handed halberd if it was AP2 all the time.
You know, like the White Scars' power glaives that already are a thing? Is it asking too much? It's the Custodes who we're talking about here.

>>49933984
There was that one dude who sabotaged phosphex production and wiped it out from M41.

>>49933937
Got it. Thanks.

>>49933793
That's an angle I hadn't considered. I'm still curious to see what a larger weapon would look like, but it does work as is.

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>>49934022
Yeah, I saved that quote too. A wimpy asshole if you ask me, if you concern yourself with matters like that it just means to me that you aren't burning heretics and witches and xenos hard enough. He got a fitting end.

>>49933984
Can I ask what was going through the creator's mind when he made it at least?

>>49934029
You could give him a slightly oversized weapon too, for the time when he gets next to the enemy and he sees your Big Guy could be bashing small dudes by wielding other small dudes as clubs if he wanted to.

>>49934052
We can only guess, anon. I can only guess it was like a mental orgasm with an accompanying physical erection, but don't quote me on that.

>>49934001
>the rules are an obvious placeholder
You know this how?
>that doesn't allow us to use half the configurations
They don't have rules for the sword with no shield, or the vexilla. That's hardly doubling the options.

>>49934040
Phosphex is just white phosphorus, it isn't that hard to make though. What the fuck kind of weak ass fluff shit is this?