Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Why is Russ so great?

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>>49935180
>Grab your
>Bill-guisarme fauchard glaive voulge bec-de-bardiche and hold on tight
I shall.

So appearently 30k Custodes have assault grenades in the form of plasma grenades. Good to see that FW recognized how mandatory assault grenades are in the grimdark

>>49935262
Lindybeige had a great video on weapons like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dj5fWYvSx8

Essentially what it boils down to is there's so many variants and different styles of polearms its basically impossible to say what is what

>>49935224
AV14, Heavy, not terribly expensive, comes with a plethora of guns options for any situation.

>>49935224
14/13 for relatively cheap

>>49935332
I think he is also intended to be backed up by two giant wolves as well.

YOU THOUGHT THERE WOULDN'T BE GRAV VEHICLES

THERE THEY ARE

WHERE IS YOUR LACK OF GRAV VEHICLES NOW?

>>49935346
Yeah, bane wolves are nasty pieces of work and good for killing MEQs.

>>49934686
From previous bread:

Be aware though, you will auto-mishap if you roll a double when deepstriking within 12" of Corax. And enemy homers/beacons don't work near him.

If your opponent is smart he'll just have Corax move between two units, not attached just near, so he'll never be closest.

>>49935348
I want to model those things as grav predators.

>>49935348
Non-existent apparently. I guess the DAs got their Grav-Raider from the Custodes as a gift.

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>>49935305
And then you add a kraken bolter to it. Polearm formation tactics look nice.

>>49934444
New and updated list, with the help of a fellow Chogorian:

>Right of War: Chogorian Brotherhood.

>Praetor: 570 points
Artificer armour, Scimitar Jetbike, Iron Halo,Digital lasers, Master-crafted power glaive.


Command Squad 4*chosen on scimitars with Heavy bolters and melta bombs. 4*Volkite chargers.


>Centurion: 190 points
Power armour, Librarian(2), Scimitar Jetbike, Melta bombs, power glaive.


Troops:


>Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron: 360 points
7 marines, melta bombs, power glaive, 1 multi-melta


>Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron: 360 points
7 marines, melta bombs, power glaive, 1 multi-melta


>Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron: 360 points
7 marines, melta bombs, power glaive, 1volkite culverin


>Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron: 360 points
7 marines, melta bombs, power glaive, 1volkite culverin


Fast attack:


>Javelin attack speeder squadron: 150 points
2 speeders, all with Multi-Melta and Lascannon


>Javelin attack speeder squadron: 110 points
2 basic Javelin speeders.


>Javelin attack speeder squadron: 130 points
2 Javelin attack speeders, with 2 lascannons


Heavy Support:


>Sicaran: 240 points
Lascannon sponsons, Armoured ceramite


> Sicaran Venator: 210 points
Armoured Ceramite

>3000 points

>>49935364
can the imperial army/auxilia take bane wolves? I haven't actually looked at the non-marine lists.

Corax is fucking cool

>>49935262
I laughed so hard at this.

>>49935431
>"Hey guys, Matt Easton here."

>>49935180
My Double Dildaran made it to the OP! Yay!

>>49935382
>If your opponent is smart he'll just have Corax move between two units, not attached just near, so he'll never be closest.

I'm stealing this next time I'm playing him.

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Any suggestions for this list? First attempt at 30k.


Iron Hands 2000 points

HQ

Legion Centurion
Artificer Armour, Volkite Charger, Forge Lord Upgrade.

Legion Praetor
Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (Axe), Iron Father, Volkite Charger, Cyber-Familiar.

-Legion Terminator Command Squad
4x Cataphractii Terminator with Combi-Bolter and Power Weapon
1x Cataphractii Terminator with Heavy Flamer and Power Weapon

-Dedicated Transport
Legion Land Raider Phobos
Blessed Autosimulacra, Frag Assault Launchers


TROOPS

Legion Tactical Squad 1
9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
1x Legion Tactical Sergeant

Legion Tactical Squad 2
9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
1x Legion Tactical Sergeant

Legion Tactical Squad 3
9x Legion Tactical Space Marines
1x Legion Tactical Sergeant

Legion Tactical Support Squad
4x Legion Tactical Space Marines
1x Legion Tactical Sergeant
Rhino Transport

ELITES

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
1x Legion Contemptor Dreadnought
Blessed Autosimulacra, Dreadnought CCW with Inbuilt Combi-bolter, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon


HEAVY SUPPORT

Legion Heavy Support Squad
5x Legion Space Marines
1x Legion Sergeant
Missile Launchers

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron
2x Legion Predator Rank
Blessed Autosimulacra, Lascannons


Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron
1x Legion Vindicator Tank
Blessed Autosimulacra

>>49935633
And henceforth it shall always be deemed as the Double Dildaran until the end of time. It has been set in bread and stone, Anon.

>>49935440
you know jetbikes can charge after firing their HBs right? They're relentless, you dont need the chargers, save yourself 40pts

>>49935644
Woops. The Command Squad should be 4 guys, not 5.

>>49935440
>a black hole where your wallet once was.

>>49935674
Thanks, another anon suggested I take them out, totally forgot to.

>>49935644
Why make your centurion a FL if you aren't going to take any of the goodies like a conversion beamer or cortex controller?

>>49935700
I think Anon will make FW so happy.

>>49935727
And not even a cyber-familiar or rad grenades. But he did give him artificer armour, which a Forge Lord gets for free anyway.

Hey, quick question as I've seen a lot of back and forth on the subject. In combat with vehicles, does each member of a squad get to use their melta bombs? A dumb question, I know, but I'd rather know how much to spend on melta bombs.

>>49935807
If he was taking him for battlesmith, why not just take a regular techmarine?

Guise. In a previous thread you lot explained that destroyer squads are shit because they are too expensive.

Are assault squads also too expensive?
What about Breacher squads?

Are 20 marine tactical squads good?

>>49935819
All models in the unit can use their grenades when in close combat.

The one model only limit was in a draft shown by GW for crowd-checking, and yet people are all to eager to claim it is already legit. It probably was a clarification that you can only use one grenade in a overwatch attack anyway.

>>49935819
Bit of a tough one, currently yes but it's looking like GW's going to release an FAQ that will change it to only one grenade per unit per turn.

>>49935661
You honor me, breadanon. May you breads be nice and warm.

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>>49935700
>£1146 without legion upgrades

But free shipping...right guys?

>>49935873
>assaults-yes very good for their price, maybe a tad undercosted now
>breachers- regular squad size is overpriced, 20 man squad is ridiculously priced as its more expensive to add more to your squad than to buy a squad
>20 man tac squads-not too expensive, good price for their use

>>49935873
Assault Marines are good since the points drop.

Breacher are best in zone mortalis, but can work in units of 10 and with the right army around it. Bonus when being IF and using Stone Gauntlet.

20 man tactical squads are pretty neat. Make sure to use an apothecary and cover though.

>>49935819
Wait a minute.
When a squad says "members of the squad make take melta bombs at 5pts per model" or whatever, that means either they all take melta bombs or no ones does.
The only way around this is the sarge can usually take melta bombs alone regardless of the rest of the squad.

TL;DR stop trying to cheat

>>49935889
But with rumours of a new edition next summer one does wonder if we're ever going to see those as official errata or just taken into consideration with the new rules.

>>49935924
>>49935925
Where is this price drop to be found? The FAQ?

>>49935958
THat's what I meant. Wasn't trying to cheat, I was wondering if I should give my praetor a melta bomb with his honour guard also having them. I don't have the rules knoweldge to cheat properly.

>>49936000
It's in the Age of Darkness Legion Armylist. The Crusade Legion Armylist is outdated now.

>>49935958
I think he's talking about the FAQ drafts that gives grenades the same limit in close combat as in shooting: one model per unit. So even if you buy 20 melta-bombs for the squad, only one model can use a melta-bomb to attack a vehicle.

>>49936037
can that age of darkness legion armylist be found in the OP ?

>>49936067
Yes

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>>49935892
Thanks. No need for any of that Barbaran spice even if it's highly recommend.

>>49935440
I'll repeat my comments from last thread: consider Outrider Bikes for close combat, including the command squad, and let the jetbikes do what they do best: stay out of range and fire at long range. Put a Stormseer on a jetbike.

Ryan Kimmel has a treatise on using bikes:
>>49935440
I'll repeat my comments from last thread: consider Outrider Bikes for close combat, including the command squad, and let the jetbikes do what they do best: stay out of range and fire at long range. Put a Stormseer on a jetbike.

Ryan Kimmel has a treatise on using bikes:
https://m.(website with initials FB).com/story.php?story_fbid=1094326837292456&id=851280114930464

Custode rules are shit

>>49936153
I like them, they are not OP or a must take or anything like that and thats perfectly fine as shit like that tends to ruin metas as everyone and their mother starts fielding them.

Im way more hyped for the talons of the emps army list, assassins in 30k sounds awesome.

>>49936153
But those models. Mmmmmmmm

>>49936081
I wonder why destroyer squads didn't get a lower points cost though. After all a destroyer squad is the equivalent of assault marines with rad grenades.

Are jet bikes good? How many is enough? one set of 3 is manageable, 6 starts getting painful on the wallet.

What about outriders: ok, i get that they are better for cc, and cheaper pts per model.
Again though, how many is enough?

Since we're at it, what about javelin land speeders? poo or fun, or decent?

>>49936219
You mean the typical GW overdesigned bullshit?

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What do you guys think of this list? New to the game still, but wanted a fairly competitive & fun list. What pro's & con's do you guys see with it?
1850 pt list
(HQ)- Company command sq.
- Master of Ordnance, Master of fleet, Lascannon HW team.


(HQ)- Tank Commander Sq.
- Leman Russ Punisher
- Kc Pask, Camo-nets, Multi-melta sponsons, lascannon.
- Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Camo-nets, Heavy bolter

(Troops)- Infantry Platoon
-Plt. CS, 2x Infantry sq., 1 vox

2x(Troops)- Veterans
- Forward sentries doc., Auto-Cannon, Vox.

3x(Transports)- Chimeras
- 2x Heavy Bolters
(Vets & Company Cmd sqd will be using these)

(elite)- Militarum Tempestus Cmd. Sqd.
- 3x Melta's

(Fast attack)- Vendetta
- No upgrades, Scions are riding in this

(X)- Enginseer
- Melta bomb, 3x Servitors (sweet 2+ repair)

2x(Heavy support)- Wyverns
- No upgrades

(Heavy Support)- Manticore
- No upgrades.

(Allies)- Vindicare assassin.
All are in the pic. related formation & CAD.
Vindicare is just... well doing his thing.

>>49936248
If you don't like the models.
And you don't like the rules.
And you have not said but I know you don't like the prices.

Why are you here Anon? You should find what you like and find others who also like whatever that is. And then be happy.

>>49936246
Javelins are the shit and might be OP. Only 55 points for BS 5 (thanks to Strafing Run) twin-linked cyclone and a heavy bolter, 10 points for 2 hunter-killer missiles, and can outflank as well.

>>49936248
Custodes' armour is covered from head to toe in iconography, text and everything according to the fluff. The GW models look bland compared to those discription.
>Just another typical groundless GW bashing Anon

>>49936295
Anon, you're in the wrong thread. 30k is different from 40k with a key difference being no formations.

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Reposting the DA sketch for my heresy legions diorama.

What chapter should I do next?

I'll be building and painting the models based on the sketches.

>>49935727
Fair point, I forgot about those.

>>49935305
>Lindybeige
Opinion immediately discarded.

>>49936391
Imperial Fists.

>>49936391
Do Blood Angels. I haven't seen BA models or players here in ages.

>>49936391
Iron Warriors in MkII with mud from the trenches around them.

>>49936391
I would love to see a Blood Angel.

>>49936246
How does me saying "Yes" translates into this response?
Oh, and they said Destroyer squads didn't get their cost altered because since nobody was using them they couldn't get feedback to work with. Nobody was using Assault marines either, but I guess they do want to sell those and they were way easier to fix
BTW, Techmarine's servitors can now take rad missiles, have fun with all 12 of them.

>tfw PotL lists are the pleb BaC-kid lists
>tfw you really just like Lernaeans and think small squads of vets are fluffier for AL, and wanna free up elites slots

What does the ruination rule for the Grav-Gauntlet do? don't have the books but I'm fucking around in battlescribe with a list

>>49936487
Another great thing about PotL lists is that you can take all-volkite armies.

>>49936487
>be a pleb BaC-kid
>use PotL because I like terminators and dreads, and can't fit all of them in Elites, while along with apothecaries and rapiers

>>49936552
It's only all-volkite if you give the termies volkite chargers.

Vets still can't take full chargers, only serpentas.

>>49936487
I don't think people are gonna complain about PotL lists with enough resin besides the plastics, like rapiers, sicarans, jetbikes and such.
But just veterans in rhinos ... I can see how some people could get triggered by that.

>>49936577
The idea is to take small terminator squads as your compulsory troops and then take tactical support dudes en masse.

>>49936613
I wouldn't even complain. Everyone starts somewhere... and those BaC/BoP-based armies have a lot of vulnerabilities. Exploit them and your meta will find itself buying resin goodies just to stay alive.

>>49936432
>>49936435
>>49936435
>>49936459

Two votes for BA, so a son of Sanguinius it is!
Gonna start gathering some ideas.

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>>49936426
>Naming polearms is a bit of a clusterfuck because there was little standarization back then
>I'm going to ignore that opinion because who says it matters more to me than the actual opinion itself
Every time I post some relevant fluff or I help solve a doubt I get disgusted at myself due to the fact that I might be also helping your prejudicious ass by coincidence, what do you think of that opinion, huh?
I srsly hope we get auto-IDs like on those other boards, so I can filter the shit you say.
>>49936391
Will it be a diorama or a set of images? I'm being genuinely curious here, I'll love it whatever it is. Your drawings make me envious...
>>49936307
Not that anon, but some of us do enjoy our anger
>>49936350
>Custodes' armour is covered from head to toe in iconography, text and everything according to the fluff
Not that anon either, but it depends on your source. My headcanon says the Custodes do wear engraved armours, screaming faces on their knees and all, even if that gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever

>>49936672
>bully people into playing how you want

Sure is 40k General here.

>>49936613
But I don't give like or want rapiers or jet bikes or specialist tanks, I want my fire teams of operators operating operationally on foot, supported by big scary distracting Lernaeans with "what the fuck even is that" weapons like conversion beamers.

I just hate that specialist infantry is the most pleb playstyle but it's my favourite.

>>49936707
>he insulted my autistic and often wrong boyfriend who treats his opinion as fact REEEEEEEE

Don't throw a bitchfit, now!

>>49936723
40k meta WAAC mindset is the reason I don't play 40k.

okay guise. I can't find it.
The age of darkness legion army list pdf is just an addenum with legion specific stuff in it.
It doesn't have the basic stuff and altered points costs.

Where is it??

>>49936771
Lindybeige is actually right about this.

>>49936731
"But I don't give a shit about, like, or want" is what that first sentence should read.

>>49936723
I'm not saying you should crush them (and see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women) and laugh. Just running a normal 30k list should be enough to get them excited about certain resin goodies - especially mobile ones. I think footslogging battles are a little dull.

>>49936613
>But just veterans in rhinos ... I can see how some people could get triggered by that.
but that's basically how pre-FW 30k worked, with smatterings of terminators, land raiders and dreadnoughts

it's just juvenile elitism, desu

>>49936796
I have no dog in Lindyfag's little buttbuddy's fight, he just needs to learn that that is not a valid source to cite.

>>49936771
Did I called that opinion an irrefutable fact? Nothing is, numbnuts. I'm calling you a jerk for dissing it without even considering. I'm not >>49935305, not >>49936796 either. I'm simply calling you on your bullshit.

What legion if any other than Space Yiffs could I go full techno barbarian with? I want some radical shit

So I'm homebrewing a Custard HQ.
>Shield Captain.............................................150 pts
>WS6 BS5 S5 T5 W3 I5 A4 LD10 Sv2+/4++
>Custodian Armour
>CCW
>Master-crafted Guardian spear
>Plasma and Krak grenades

>Prenatural Skill
>The Sodality
>Inviolable Psyche
>Fearless
>Bulky
>Crusader
>Feel no pain

>May take an Iron Halo - 15 pts
>May exchange Master-crafted Guardian spear for a Master-crafted Sentinel warblade and Praesidium shield - 20 pts
>May take Melta bombs - 5 pts
Thoughts?

>>49936924
>Sv2+/4++
*5++

>>49936707
It will be a diorama where all the minis can be set up together, but also every mini will have its own display with a print of the concept sketch as a background.

I'm planning on lending the diorama to my LGS for display, and probably make prints of the drawings to hang around and maybe generate interest in 30k.

>>49936835
Sure. He is entertaining, though and also the reason Matt Easton started doing videos.

>>49935644
Definitely could benefit from the Head of the Gorgon for free upgrades. Also should find a reason for taking the FL and min tac squads without rhinos, as they die pretty fast in small units.

>>49936965
You're a Crusader, that's what you are.

>>49936912
White Scars, Word Bearers... not sure it's that easy with anyone else.

So I've really been enjoying getting into the 30k lore, and I've sort of notices 'foils' between the traitor legions and their loyalist counterparts. Am I correct, or is the connection just coincidence?

Here's what's I've noticed for correspondence, if I've mixed up one please explain

Ultramarines, Black Legion
Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors
Dark Angels, Alpha Legion
Space Wolves, Thousand Sons
Blood Angels, World Eaters
Salamanders, Word Bearers
Iron Hands, Emperor's Children
Raven Guard, Night Lords
White Scars, Death Guard

So i am about to embark on some painting shenanigans, and need an air brush. Any recommendations? i am a brit

>>49937012
You got Ultras and Dangels the wrong way round.

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>>49937012
Well in a sense you are correct, but there is more to that. Rivalries aren't one vs the other, multiple legions see each other as rivals and see opposites of certain values they have reflected on some others.
Except maybe the IF and IW, those actively focus their hatred on each other.

>>49936533
It does haywire to buildings, like d3 or something. If you wreck it, remove the terrain if possible

>>49937012
Eh, I'd imagine it being more like this.
Blood Angels - Sons of Horus (favoured son, assault tactics, supposedly bro marines)
Imperial Fists - Iron Warriors (sieges, grit and defence)
Dark Angels - Alpha Legion (unknown loyalties)
Space Wolves - World Eaters (berserkers)
Ultramarines - Word Bearers (large numbers, building up worlds)
White Scars - Night Lords (GOTTA GO FAAASSST, kinda outcast primarch)
Iron Hands - Emperor's Children (perfectionism and craftsmanship)
Salamanders - Death Guard (endurance, love of flamer/chem weapons and MkII/III)

>>49937059
>do you even siege
>no Morty

one job

>>49937073
fancy, thanks dude

>>49937093
that leaves RG and TS?

>>49936829
It is indeed juvenile, but then again we are all just man-children getting upset over toy soldiers right.

>>49936924
I like that you didn't go overboard with (homemade) special rules like many homebrew fags tend to do, but stuck close to what rules we know.

>>49937117
Oh, shit. Well, both got fucked up gene-seed and unusual tactics.

>>49937171
Ravenguard use guerillia tactics, not that unusual. And they only got geneseed troubles after Alpha Legion had their way with them

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>>49937099
It's different.

>>49937012
Some of the details are debatable, or there are multiple crossovers, but generally speaking, you're right.
Examples of the questionable ones: the Blood Angels have the potential to be as rage-crazed as the World Eaters, but also the speed and artistry of the Emperor's Children. The Ultramarines and Word Bearers were both large in number, generalists, and worked closely with human armies. I'd say the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion are better analogues in 30k (the Dark Angels didn't have any secrets to keep until Caliban went bad).

Part of it is that GW's early writers tried to make sure both sides had all of the important archetypes... so you'd inevitably end up with similarities on both sides.

But it's also to show how thin the line was between remaining loyal or turning traitor. I could picture Guilliman pulling a Horus; he's already used to leading an Empire (BL missed a chance to play that up during the Unremembered Empire arc). Perturabo could have been more Dorn-like with just a little bit of appreciation.

Someone wrote a "Dornian Heresy" fanfic in which all the roles are switched.

Are there any scans of the primarchs books? I've been looking for the girlyman book since release, and the wolfyman book is supposed to be pretty ok.

>>49936835
>not a valid source to cite

I only posted the video cause I thought it was interesting to learn about how they're named and how much of a clusterfuck it was, I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong or prove a point.

But you keep policing /hhg/ anon, you're truly making it a better place to be

>>49937012
May I suggest some changes?

Word Bearers and Ultras work together as in the end they became very plentiful legions with a zealous bend to their beliefs and codes.

White Scars and Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus both believe in lightning fast spear tip strikes.

Death Guard and Salamanders are all about massed, durable infantry.

>>49937405
>But you keep policing /hhg/ anon, you're truly making it a better place to be
Unlicensed sarcasm. $50 fine.
Forgot a comma. Three days in the hole.

Serving and protecting the /hhg/.

>>49936391
Night Lords please

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>>49937514
You wouldn't be practising unlawful irony there would you anon?

>>49936628
How did I never notice this?

>>49935641
Do it. If your opponent doesn't have deepstrike use flyers to stay ahead of him as well.

So, what are people's experiences running Cortus Contemptors over regular ones? Do they underperform drastically? I'm thinking of running a melee loadout Cortus with meltaguns.

>>49937900
They're great for melee, actually.

>>49937846
I already thought of a Fire Raptor, it's tanky enough.

>>49937900
I5 chainfists. That's all you need to know.

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Finished the first batch of Grave Wardens.

>>49937900
They're probably better for melee compared to standard contemptors. Which is a disgrace if you ask me

Anyone got any smooth ideas for a deredeo conversion? assuming I have pretty much unlimited access to the Horus heresy line of models, what can I do to make something cooler then the gun-nipple boat
considering using a Leviathan body as a starting point

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>>49937923
>>49937912
>>49937980
Roger that. Chaindreadfist, here I come.

I guess I could run it in its own; I also have a BaC dread kitted out with a Kheres and the standard fist that I don't really care to fuck with.

>>49937093
This is way more accurate. TS/SW is only a thing because of Prespero. If the Emperor had sent the Dark Angels to grab Magnus, it'd be the same thing. Although this done leave RG and TS...Corax did do some weird gene shit while Magnus did his weird sorcery shit.

>>49938005
FUCK THATS COOL

Is there an infantry mounted Conversion Beamer mini out there anywhere?

>>49936912
white scars, no doubts

>>49938297
A 40k tech marine from the Badab war. from astral claws

>>49938297

FW had a preview for one a while back but I don't think it ever came out.

>>49937978
Fucking lovely.

>>49937978
Nailed it.

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>>49938342
Oh shit. How the fuck do you move with that?

>>49936912
Sons of Horus maybe.

>>49937514
What would the crimes of /hhg/ be?

>copying a list directly from battle scribe

>mistaking us for /40kg/

>not paying for chainaxes

>>49936912
Dark Angels, if the entire legion is Space DARPA using weird and old tech then imagine what the Destroyer Corps of the first legion look like, all of them using arcane and lost tech thats as weird as dangerous.

>>49938005
i want to model a dread, meaning back a bit, with both chainfist fingers in the air, like totally flipping all the birds

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>>49938297
second from the left

infantry mounted conversion beamers have been in plastic longer than you've been alive

>>49938442
>"pick a legion for me" with no further information about what the poster may want from an army

>>49938506
u so funni topkek lelelelelele

>>49938516
I could post the pewter ones from the eighties if you like.

>>49938514
world eaters

>>49937012
Ultramarines, Everyone else (The best vs not the best)

>>49938514
That right there needs to be a capital offense.

the age of darkness army lists isn't in the OP guise.
it always leads to the legion specific units red book, never the general updated space marine legion army list

>>49935180
ALRIGHTY THEN

i have had some thoughts, and redone my list from the last thread so:
>Alpha legion
>2k
>Opp might have corax

HQ
Delgatus(warlord), AA, Refrator field, MC combi-plasma
Viglator, AA, RF, power axe


Troops
10 vet tacs, snipers, 2 HB
10 vet tacs, snipers, 2 HB,rhino, MM,


Elites
Mortis, Khers
Cortis, chainfist
dread, flamestorm
Fast attack
10 Seekers, combi-plasmas
Heavy support
Sicaran, lascannon,multimelta


HQ
commander
Troops
Lasrifle section
Elites
enginseer Auxilia, +4 servo, grenade launchers

>>49935402
Because they huge involvement in the loyalist faction during the HH? Excuse me while I kek

>>49938602
>https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2FZTK72gs%2Flegiones-astartes-age-of-darkness-army-list.pdf.html

It's literally in the OP post, right under "HH rules", with age of darkness army list in the url

How can you be this blind

>>49938543
I had those, many years ago. Many many years ago.

>>49938449

I vaguely remember them saying DA would be all special war gear and RoW with no special units.

That said, they mentioned a DA Glaive variant with a vortex cannon instead of a volkite one. So I think the Dreadwing RoW will be less of "Scorched Earth" and more of "Scorched Space-Time", which would be nice if they rebalance or redesigned destroyers.

I went a made a list of all the things that do Destroyers' jobs better than them =[ It is depressing.

>>49938617
What does the Vigilator do in the army? Give scout to the seekers? I think you're a bit light on bodies for 2kpts and

>10 vet tacs, snipers, 2 HB

Need a rhino or some other transport since you are a bit light on bodies you might need everything you can get on the table on turn 1 to overwhelm your opponent or do something, a single outflanking unit of 10 dudes might do something but it might also be too little too late.

>>49938506
So those are Mk V, right?

>>49938645
>what are the Unification Wars

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>>49936707
you're pretty good

>>49937978
Why is the one on the left so much darker than all the others

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>>49938646
haha ! thankyou !
Several of the links lead to the wrong book !

>>49938602
https://mega.nz/#!DhIVFLBZ!8GiXQ0hnqVBQ34cf1wrEJB6g0mUr258m0KGYp5uZclM

That's the ePub for the Age of Darkness Armylist. If someone has access, move this to the main mega, this is on my personal one.

>>49938701
It's the light. He looks the same as the others irl.

>>49938684
Honestly, i just like snipers, and now i can have one as an HQ. They also give stealth to the seekers, which is alright

Plan was to leave the snipers on the table, maybe letting them infiltrate, if things look like it will work.

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>Struggling like fuck on Cataphractii pauldrons becausz hazard lines with no masking tape
>Realising after 1 hour of struggle and a stripping to start over that I got two right pauldrons

>>49938678
Publish the list plz. I want to know what's in there besides Servitors and DG Assault squads
>>49938716
Well that one leads to the right one. I'm gonna be honest, a lot of the links in the OP are outdated, so you need to poke around a little, but reading all the links before downloading the first one you get is standard procedure

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Question:
If Destroyer squads are too expensive, but assault squads are almost too good for their points and tac squads just fine for the points;

How much _should_ a Destroyer squad cost?

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>>49938821
Sounds allright to me

>>49938693
Typical 40k mixed marks.

The legs are obviously Corvus, the heads Mantila and the body looks Aquila.

>>49938825
50 points for them to be extremely useful, 25 less for them to be worth it at all.

>>49938825
>15 PPM
>100 for basic
The deeper question: what upgrades could we give destroyers to actually make then good

>>49938895
phosphex flamers

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>>49938911

>>49938895
A Nuclear option- for an additional 150 points, all models get a Volkite Serpenta.

>>49938895
Termie armour, bikes, or we could go fully NUCLEAR and give them all artificer armour

>>49938930
>>49938911
>>49938895
Rad pistols as an option?

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>>49938888
the heads are a bash-up of pre-FW mk5 and mk7

I'd argue they're closer to mk7 because they lack the studs on the forehead and little square nub going over the faceplate.

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>>49938953
None of what you just said makes anysence

>>49938825
Keep their current cost but add Jump Packs with the option to remove them and take a free drop pod/rhino, add phosphex missiles to their missile launchers or the option for every marine to swap their bolt pistols for a flamer or their pistols have seeker special ammo or some other shit like that because the real problem of destroyers is they dont live up to their fantasy of "radical dudes with radically polluting weapons of mass fuckery".

>>49938976
Sorry, running on a very little amount of sleep here

I meant that I feel like destroyers would be better if they had the options for Terminator Armour, or bikes of some sort, or artificer armour for the whole squad

>>49938824

Rad Missiles:
300pts Destroyers: 10 Man Squad, 2 Rad missile Launchers
293pts Forgelord: Rad Genades, Cataphractii, Cyber Familiar, 4 Servators, 4 rad missiles
193pts Techmarine Rad Genades, 4 Servators, 4 rad missiles

Assaulting Rad Genades Unit:
325pts Destroyers: 10 Man Squad, Jump Packs
315pts Assault Marines: 20 Man Squad, Rad Grenades w/ Reaping ROW
290pts Forgelord: Rad Grenades, Jumppack, Assault Marines: 10 Man Squad

Phosphex Bombs [Phosphex]:
235pts Destroyers: 5 Man Squad, Jump Packs, 1 Phosphex Bomb (1)
175pts Siege Breaker(95) + Rapier Support Battery, Phosphex Canister Shot (4)
285pts Leviathan Siege Dread: Phosphex Discharger (3)

Phosphex Bombs [AP2 Templates]:
235pts Destroyers: 5 Man Squad, Jump Packs, 1 Phosphex Bomb (1)
210pts Heavy Support Squad: 5 Man Squad, Plasma Cannons (5)
210pts Jetbike Support Squad: 3 Man Squad, Plasma Cannons (3)
130pts Predator Tank: Executioner Plasma Cannon (3)
120pts Vindicator: (1)
285pts Leviathan Siege Dread: Phosphex Discharger (3)

The Leviathan is in there because, while not cheaper, it fulfills the same purpose, does it more effectively and can charge something afterwards and do some semblance of damage instead of having your 5 marines die to overwatch.

>>49938825
15-16 ppm 120-150 for squad of 5
jetpacks standard

>>49938895
Raise max squad size, special issue ammo, let one guy throw a rad grenade for -1t in shooting phase

It's hard because they are a unit that does alot of things mediocrely but cost more than the options that do them better.

>>49938985
Even with free jet packs they wouldn't be worth it?? shiggy.

I'll try them like this though, see how they fare.

>>49938825I'm not convinced that assault marines are too cheap. You pay +15 points for jump packs over a Rhino or Drop Pod, both of which are great for giving you some cover and blocking charges from certain directions. And you give up Fury of the Legion, which is a pretty damn good ability.

And in an assault, 10 assault marines won't actually kill that much. It takes a lot of upgrades for them to become effective. I'm not saying they're overcosted, but I think tacticals are still better.

I have trouble pricing out Destroyers because it's upgrades that do all the work, but I'd knock off at least 50 points.

>>49939014
No i understood what you said, its just, why would destroyers have any of thoses

>>49939166
Not sure actually t.b.h, it just seemed cool in my head when I was thinking of it.

Would regular tactical squads become obsolete entirely if tactical support squads lost the support squad rule?

>>49939230
Wouldn't that make them tactical squads?

>>49939022
I thought there was more to that list in regards of rad melee and missiles.

>>49939272
As in post codex ones?
Yeah, pretty much

>>49939272
He means the rule that says you can't take support squads as compulsory troop choices.

>>49939230
Not entirely; the 10-man limit on support squads doesn’t always cut it in 30k. Sometimes you need a blob.

But whenever 10 was enough (or I was using Rhinos), yeah, I’d happily pay +50 points to replace my bolters with volkite chargers or flamers.

>>49939230
Maybe people want fury of the legion and 10+ man squad sizes? but pretty much yeah

>>49939272
Supports start with flamers not bolters

>>49939352
This is just off the top of my head. A forge lord with rad grenades plus anything is a solution for melee

What's the best way of making use of the Iron Warrior Creeping Barrage FOW?

Destroyers need a small points drop, 2 attacks each and the bio-chem ammo for their bolt pistols they're supposedly have according to the fluff right next to the unit entry.
The special ammo either needs a debuff effect (like no overwatch after failed saves or reducing a stat) or have poisoned or even fleshbane but no AP value, or have increased Str depending on how many hits.

>>49939791
1 rapier battery per 15 man Assault Squad, move them up to assault shit after the iron fire softens their target and makes them fearless.

>>49939796
>or reducing a stat
giving -1I on hits would be kinda interesting

Is it worth giving Reavers or Seekers Banestrike ammo if they are going to be deploying by Droppod? Or is it better to just drop in some Marksmen Veterans?

>>49940098
Banestrike is never worth it. Unless it gave you extra points to spend elsewhere when you took it maybe.

>>49938716
You stupid fuck

What do y'all think the Space Wolves are gonna get with the next book?

>>49939030
A lot of upgrades, like...free chainaxes? =^)

>>49940299
A big red cyclops up their ass.

>>49940299
Unique Destroyers, oddly enough, and something else.

>>49940520
Fuck, please no.

>>49940412
Well yeah, but then we have the X-laxx that is... well being wrong, with steroids.

>>49939796
Poison ammo for their pistols would be nice.
>tfw they make them Poison4+

>>49940299
Grey Hunters as a mix of Veterans and Destroyers, all have rad nades and instead of the veteran tactics they gain PE against infantry, they all start with flamers and can chage them for bolters for free or volkite/power weapons for a price.

Leman Russ squadron replaces the artillery squadron in heavy support

Lone Wolves replace Moritats, can only join Grey Hunters and have access to cool close combat weapons, when in close combat all to hit rolls of 5+ generate new attacks.

Wolf Guard terminator squad,can be command squad or elites, pass LoS! on a 3+ and when they charge they do d3 HoWs to represent the squad going bonkers as they charge in.

Then some special wargear like Frost Weapons replacing power weapons which could do something like if a unit takes one or more wounds then their Initiative value is reduced by 1 for the game.

Legion rules are Curse of the Wulfen: Acute Senses, Outflank and if a unit regroups or isnt broken after having less than 25% of their strength then that unit ceases to score and gains +1S for the game.

>>49940574
>Fuck, please no.

Why not? Word Bearers have their own Destroyers.

>>49940668
Jesus christ, just give them digganobs already
>>49940690
The Imperial Heralds were the Iconoclast legion, burning cultures to the ground was their thing.

>>49940299
Nothing, GW and FW go under before that and SW and TS will never get their rules.

>>49940690
>Word Bearers have their own Destroyers.
salamanders too, depending on how you see pyroclasts

>>49940668
Okay that sounds much less horrible than I expected- hell, it even sounds fun.

>>49940690
Destroyers are definitely 'get in your face and fuck it up' just with rads and pistols instead of lightning claws and power axes like SW should be, so when the only thing I have to go off of is 'unique destroyers' I felt mildly betrayed by what would or could happen.

>>49940665
Would be fine against Mechanicum...except for those reroll poison rules

>>49940722
Are there rules for digganobs?

>>49940836
Yeah fuck FW giving the mechanicum monsters a special rule that removes one of the few weaknessess of monsterous creatures because 'fluff'.

If ya wanted to go for fluff rules you would have made them walkers with AV 13 on each facing with an invul. save and still be fine FW. But no appearently we needed tau shenanigans in 30k too (and that GK babycarrier)

>>49940909
They're also vulnerable to haywire and rolls of a 6 deals 2 wounds to them. Its fine imo.

>>49940909
Nah, those things are a step short of artificial life forms. This is the real stuff, not that Tau fake mecha mumbo jumbo, which should indeed be Walkers with AVs instead of T8 MCs with Fnp and invuln saves.
That's a Thanatar's role. You may think that I'm being sarcastic, but again, I'm not.

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Is dishwashing soap sufficient for cleaning potential release agents off my resin models? And can I just let them soak for a while or will I need to scrub them?

>>49940941
Well how convinient then that of all the haywire weapons in 30k only the one on a superheavy has a to wound roll, meaning that 'vulnerability' never comes into effect.

>>49941211
Graviton wounds anything on a 6 regardless of toughness, and Cybernetic resilience means any Haywire hit does an extra wound on a separate roll of 6, regardless to any other effects the weapon may have, so it's essentially yet another to wound roll.
I refrained from posting this earlier because I assumed you'd be a regular person and go back to read that rule instead of sperging out your ignorance so we can all know how far we can trick plebs that don't know their rules.
We could be making up rules here and you wouldn't even realize it.

>>49941047
They're made of metal with circuitry and a brain in a jar. Basically the same thing as a Dreadnought.

>>49941377
Right anon, I forgot Monstrous Creatures must always be made out of mostly naked flesh, blob and muscle, and Omnissiah forbid they have any bit of metal or syntethic muscle showing, even though some battle-automata are wearing artificer armour.

Would you care if someone used Daemon Magnus model and rules as a LoW for a thousand sons 30k army?

>>49941550
I'd only allow it if he admitted that magnus did everything wrong.

>>49941616
Oh you.

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>>49941616
>Emperor gave him and his legion psychic powers
>Powers that literally almost destroyed the entire legion due to horrible mutations
>Magnus saves legion with said powers
>Use said powers to offset their tiny numbers
>Superstitious backwards retard brothers throw a fit and get Emps to ban psychic powers
>Despite all this, Magnus STILL tries to warn him about Horus
>Accidentally ruin the secret project Emps never told him about
>Despite Magnus being the only being who could have possibly ruined it (Ignoring the fact that Emps was planning on enslaving Magnus within the throne for all eternity)
>Emps ignores everything Magnus says and sends the one primarch he knows blindly hates Magnus to "arrest" him

Magnus literally did nothing wrong

>>49941314
The issue is that it is very unclear how that part of Cybernetic Resilience. Which part of the haywire attack needs a 6 result ?

>>49941470
If it has a reactor it has no business being a monsterous creature.

I am all for fewer distinctions between walkers and monsters however, specially now that there no longer seems to be any concern by GW and FW as to how fitting it is for the model. Make it unit type Behemoth or something, have rules for reduced effectiveness the more damaged it is and we're getting somewhere.

>goddamn captchas asking to select roadsigns but meaning comercial boards/side of trailer are triggering me so hard right now

>>49941732
Agreed.

>>49941732
You're just mad your nerd lost

melee veterans: viable?

>>49941732
you fags are like clockwork

>gee I hope my PSYCHIC PREMONITION and PSYCHIC SCREAMING INTO HIS SKULL convinces the emperor I'm legit and totally not a slave to darkness after he told me not to use psychic shit
>what do you mean he takes his proven trust in horus over my magic rituals? stop bullying me!

>>49941807
Yes, 4A on the charge is great.

>>49941732
Except dooming the planet of the Astronomicon to destruction at some point and with it the Imperium will follow.

Magnus is the biggest well intentioned submoron in the setting. He deserved everything bad that happened to him. His legion on the other hand didn't deserve to suffer because of Magnus hubris.

>IW are upset because they are not praised for getting themselves killed like idiots
>meanwhile DG and NLs are just fine with being shunned

really makes you think

>>49941840

how many power weapons?

>its another russ v magnus episode
This is going to be the future for the next twelve months of /hhg/

>>49941875
you've got to feel bad for the terran NLs

their primarch and the nostromans were all completely shit

>>49941897
I thought the new and old NLs integrated well? Or is this BL stuff, not HH?

>>49941890
Unfortunately

So what exactly is the difference between cataphractii and tartaros lorand design wise? Cause they seem the same to me

>>49941969
Tartaros gives up some protection for added mobility.

>>49935446
I don't know there's any Chimera variants, but it might be worth asking - there's the "it's damn big crusade" meta-rule

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>>49941753
>The issue is that it is very unclear how that part of Cybernetic Resilience. Which part of the haywire attack needs a 6 result ?
No harm in asking man. Some people say you gotta roll an additional time and if it lands on a six it wounds even if the first roll wasn't a wound to begin with, because of the "roll for this wound separately". Other say that's about rolling for saves and stuff, and do a double-or-nothing: on a six the bot gets wounded twice.
> have rules for reduced effectiveness the more damaged it is and we're getting somewhere.
have rules for reduced effectiveness the more damaged it is and we're getting somewhere.
Let that bot retain 94% effectiveness with 1HP left, you can snipe him man. Like Terminator. He couldn't be bargained with, he couldn't be reasoned with, he didn't even know where he was. Nah but seriously, it's fitting, they are literal monsters with synthetic feelings and all. Anything can reasoned to behave like a walker if you make a case against it.

>>49941814
Anon, you're betraying my feelings, check your psychic privilege.
>>49941875
Oh look at us, NL & DG, the state of our clothes would make you puke, people are denouncing us even before declaring for Horus. Yeah, really healthy, pal.
>>49941732
Do you guys think the Emperor didn't take Magnus seriously because he thought he was yet another WITCH trying to bait him like this one is?

>>49941890
It feels like Groundhog Thread, only with less drunkness and more WITCHES! Unless you're australian, then it's only extra witchy, if any.

Is it just me, or does the Sanguinary guard kit look ripe for pillaging for belonging out some Emperor's Children?

I have this idea of running a IIIrd Legion Chosen (or whatever the Kakophoni-As-Troops ROW is) list with Lascannon Heavy Support squads as Sun Killers, and the Kakophoni as the most degenerate of that Sun Killer detachment, fully fallen to the legion's decadent insanity. I love the idea of using the haloed death masks from the Sanguinary Guard kit for my Heavy Support and Kakophoni squad leaders, playing up a solar halo kind of iconography. The weapons from the Sang. Guard kit will also be great to spice up a squad of palatine blades I wanna model to be the Legion Champion HQ's retinue, and to pimp him out as well.

Quick question - the Sang. Guard jump packs, they look like the MkIV single-intake jump packs, and I know the wings are added separately. Are they pretty much exactly MkIV jump packs? If so, that'll save me the trouble of getting jump packs from FW for the palatines.

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Anybody else have a living errata for 30k their group uses? If so what are some popular points?

I ask because my group has one and cheaper destroyers are one of themso it made me think/

>>49942107
Blinging out, not belonging out. Christ.

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>>49942107
I always recognize you, Sun Killer anon. Unless you're secretly also TDAguy.
You got some MKIII pic there buddy?

>>49941874
>His legion on the other hand didn't deserve to suffer because of Magnus hubris
I don't know, judging by Ahriman, they take after their dad (and granddad, for that matter) in the hubris and fucking up departments.

>>49941890
Just wait till Feb, then all the shit will be codified.

Well, the Russ/Magnus, who knows when Russ/Lion will come around

>>49942140
Nah, I think you've got someone else, I'm probably gonna use MkIV because I dunno if I'm getting prospero and I can just grab one of those 10 man MkIV boxes from GW to kit out with FW lascannons. Glad Sun Killers are getting love though! Love those little tidbits of Legion specific cadres that aren't quite special units.

>>49942159
>Just wait till Feb, then all the shit will be codified.
That'll just make it worse, they'll be able to mathammer out for a conclusive 'wrong' party

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The last time I was so excited to paint a mini, I was working on Angron. Mmf.

>>49941969
According to the lore, Cataphractii plate was the first variety of terminator armour developed, and was loosely based on MkIII power armour. Tartaros came later, and was developed alongside MkIV.

>>49942107
Check the guy with the badass Raven Guard chaplain, it uses the Sanguinary jump pack with one of the heroes (I think the B@C ones) just fine.

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>>49942159
Ohh right, because we all will suddenly not talk about betrayed Punished Magnus and digganobs. Good one m8.
>>49942171
Well it's mostly me though, I'm the same guy that recognizes your Sunkillers, you gave them hardened armour in that list. Fully comitted to the fluff man, Oaths of moment on you.
I would have loved to see HHG's own MKIII ECs.

>>49942183
Oh, man, replacing the tiny head with a helmet and removing the awkward vexila arm improves that model markedly.

>>49942235
Well, that double-vox chest sure looks good, and who doesn't love Corintian helmets?

>>49942172
Heh, true.

Because I'm a little drunk, someone who mentioned shipping got me thinking - how big is the Emprah's throne room?

Because the throne's location is based on the location of GWHQ, right?

I'm definitely in the Inner Palace, but I (or, more realistically my friends who live in Nottingham) could well be in the actual throne room given the size of Imperial-scale rooms

>not getting your FW shipped within the imperial palace
>laughing_sisters_of_silence.pict

>>49941874
Thats what emps gets for fucking around in the webway without telling anyone

>>49942219
>betrayed
The Emperor literally told him what would happen if he used sorcery again.
If anyone betrayed him, it'd be Tzeench

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>>49942341
And I would rather call him Fuck Up Magnus, but "Betrayed" is less offensive. Geez, mind other people's feelings bro.

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>>49942375
Whoops, wrong quote

>>49941814
>Implying Magnus and the Emperor didnt discover each other in the warp before meeting
>Implying the Emperors hypocrisy here isnt tangible in regards to psychic powers
>Implying prescience isnt a well established method that the Emperor and others have used in the setting
>Implying here wasnt 100% right
Its like you hate the next step in human evolution Anon?

>>49941874
>Except dooming the planet of the Astronomicon to destruction at some point and with it the Imperium will follow.
How was the Webway Project ever a good idea? The Necrons at the height of the war in heaven fought to control the webway and barely got a foot hold.

So Emps sets up a project on the most important world in the Imperium instead of bumfuckville nowhere and is surprised it doesnt work out?

>>49942375
>>49942386
Ah, sorry, I thought you were referring (as some anons have) to Emps "betraying" Magnus, something patently absurd

>>49942391
He doesn't want you dabbling around with things your 200 year old ass doesn't understand, what hipocrisy is there to be found? And no, I dont' think Emps want to understand the Warp, I think he wants humanity to not need it in the first place. That was the Imperial Webway's purpose.
>How was the Webway Project ever a good idea?
Man Emperor deliver us from this witching!

>>49942235
The original's tiny head really, really undersells the model. Take it off and scratch off the omegas, and the thing's pure sex.

>>49942391
Wasn't there already a gate to the webway on Earth before ol' Empy started his project? I always thought he was just utilizing what he had available to him at home, not trying to rip open a new hole in the middle of his throneworld.

Who would win in a psychic battle, Eldrad or The Emperor at the peak of the Great Crusade?

>>49942183
Are you gonna take me on tonight?
Ah down beside that phopshex light
Are you gonna let it all burn out?
Fat bottomed 'rines
You make the rockin' world go round

Hey I was just a skinny lad
Never knew no good from bad
But I knew life before I left my academy, huh
Left alone with big fat Danny
He was such a naughty Sarge
Heap big man you made a bad boy out of me
Hey hey!
Woo

I've been killing with my squad
Across the wire across the land
I seen every red hot fire on the way, hey
But their beauty and their style
Went kind of smooth after a while
Take me to them Moritats every time

C'mon
Oh won't you take me on tonight?
Oh down beside your phosphex light
Oh and you give it all you got
Fat bottomed 'rines you make the rockin' world go round
Fat bottomed 'rines you make the rockin' world go round

Hey listen here
Now I got marines of my own
I got stiffness in ma' bones
Ain't no Destroyers in this locality (I tell you)
Oh but I still get my pleasure
Still get my greatest treasure
Heap big man you gonna make a big man out of me

Now get this
Oh (I know) you gonna take me on tonight (Please)
Oh down beside that phopshex light
Are you gonna let it all burn out?
Fat bottomed 'rines you make the rockin' world go round yeah
Fat bottomed 'rines you make the rockin' world go round
Get on your bikes and ride
Ooh yeah oh yeah them fat bottomed 'rines
Fat bottomed 'rines
Yeah yeah yeah
Alright, ride 'em, c'mon
Fat bottomed 'rines, yes yes

>>49942470
There is no hope except maybe FW delaying Inferno the more Magnus did(n't) do nothing wrong.

>>49942520
The Emperor of course.

>>49942520
Didn't Eldrad die at the end of the 13th Black Crusade?

I mean, I know it's old fluff, but still. Who the fuck do you think would win?

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>>49942483
>Wasn't there already a gate to the webway on Earth before ol' Empy started his project?
It wouldn't be an issue if left alone, if that's what you're hinting at.
Hey, how many DEldar are there? You know, how many should we kill to scour the Webway clean of them and claim it for our own?

>>49942386
what hipocrisy is there to be found?
You dont see the most powerful psyker in humanity telling the second most powerful psyker the he genetically engineered to be that way to stop using psychic powers as hypocritical?

>I think he wants humanity to not need it in the first place.
I thought the whole point is that the Emperror is waiting out for humanity to ascend and become a race of psykers that no longer need him?

>Man Emperor deliver us from this witching!
>I know, i'll open a portal that will allow us to travel any where in the galaxy right from my throne room!
>Nevermind that that will allow travel anywhere from the galaxy straight to the center of the Imperium
>Im sure it'll all work out fine.

>Mark my words Magnus, if you do not act soon, your legion and all that you worked so hard to create will be dust
Such premonition. Many wow.

Unironically enjoying this.

>>49942604
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>>49942470

>Love Phobos-pattern bolters with chain bayonets
>Not a single model with a bolter in my army
Fuck

>>49942604
>You dont see the most powerful psyker in humanity telling the second most powerful psyker the he genetically engineered to be that way to stop using psychic powers as hypocritical?
No, because the Emperor know not even He should be using Warp powers in the first place, He knows it'll get him killed, or utterly alone, or worse. Do as I say, Magnus, not as I do! But no, Magnus just HAVE to be right. Nothing like the "I told you so" about using sorcery to your benefit, huh? Well it doesn't work that way, and the red eyed dude simply won't accept a no for an answer, not even when it's an official explicit "NO" from the Lord of Mankind Himself.
>I thought the whole point is that the Emperror is waiting out for humanity to ascend and become a race of psykers that no longer need him?
That no longer need Him or Warptravel. Nothing would get him happier than finally butchering those Dune Navigators, while humanity recovers Ye Olde STCs and grab the tv remote with grav manipulators, instead of telekinesis.
>>I know, i'll open a portal that will allow us to travel any where in the galaxy right from my throne room!
You know the Golden Throne mechanism was discovered on Terra, not invented, right? Why do you think the Imperial Palace is in the Himalayas in the first place? It's built around it. You don't think it's convenient to build a warp gate in the most well protected world of the Imperium, next to the best workshop of the Imperium? I mean, look at Molech's gate, see what happened. It wasn't protected, and now Sanguinius is dead because of it.
>Such premonition. Many wow.
Yeah, Horus dies in the end, sorry if I spoiled that for you :^)
BL uses cheap hints and nudges about stuff we know is going to happen, don't blame me.
>>49942665
It's ok, you still quoted me.

What special units are we expecting from Inferno?

Scarab terminators and Huskarls pretty much for sure.

>>49942728
You better be playing chainaxe world eaters

>>49942728
What kind of army is that, Imperial Militia? Legiones Astartes Blitzkrieg Rite of War?

>>49942746
Well I'm expecting to see Adeptus Custodes and Sororitas Silentium on book 7, but I hear some TS/SW fluff will also be included in it.

>>49942746
Why huskarls?

>>49942833
The rumor was Huskarl terminatirs with special claws, and a unit called executioners all with axes and jump packs, and Rad grenades/missile

>>49942766
You bet your sweet ass I am.

>>49942876
Weird. Mostly, I'm just wondering why Imperial Fists would be involved in the next book.

I mean, I suppose FW kind of pulled Paramar and Phall out of their asses for book 3, so anything's possible.

>>49942729
>Nothing like the "I told you so" about using sorcery to your benefit, huh?
If you like Skub Library tell me how the Emperor on Moleoch is any different? This doesnt bother me because Skub Library but for you how do you justify it?

>not even when it's an official explicit "NO" from the Lord of Mankind Himself.
Not gonna lie this is why I love Magnus. Because he doesnt actually fall to any of his 'misuse' of the warp. He falls when he can no longer stand seeing his legion perish, or the pain in his back either one really. Using sorcery is a risk but saying that to use the powers of the warp will forever corrupt you means thate games already over. Humanity is already going through the transistion to a race of psykers with more and more being born.

>That no longer need Him or Warptravel.
I agree on that. But I also believe that theres something to do with psykers I'll try and source it.

>You know the Golden Throne mechanism was discovered on Terra
No I didnt source? I thought it was just the webway gate desu. Who created the Throne then?

>You don't think it's convenient to build a warp gate in the most well protected world of the Imperium
No I dont. I think building a back door to the most Impressive fortification in the galaxy is a terrible idea. Especially when your trying to force your way into a warp dimension. Dark Eldar dont allow pskers into commorragh for a reason Anon. He was literally opening a warfront right in the centre of the Imperium unless you think the Eldar were just going to allow him to take of the webway? A webway that already fights off invaders by itself.

>>49942391
But the Emperor did set up a smaller version of the project on some distant location. Only for it to get sabotaged wherever possible by the Navigator houses. The Navigators shat themselves so hard over the idea of losing the monopoly on humanity's interstellar travel that they even send an Aloha Snackbar dude to blow the whole thing with two Vortex Grenades ... and those things are hard to come by the White Scars find it and use it to get to Terra, but the whole installation is destroyed in the process thanks to one of the grenades going off So what would have been the most safe location to work on that webway portal and be able to supervise it ? Not many options beside the Imperial Palace.

The difference between the Emperor's webway project and the Necrons (and also Eldar) was that the Emperor created a whole new section of Webway that connected to the excisting webway. Something even the Eldar are no longer capable of, all the can do is create temporary tunnels and apply wraithbone bandages on tears and gaps to keep the daemons out.

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>>49942967
If only there was a way to close the portal when it wasnt being used, with a door of some sort...

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What about the Horus Heresy gets you rock hard enough to sell a liver for forge world models?

>>49943095
No Tau

>>49942967
>If you like Skub Library tell me how the Emperor on Moleoch is any different?
Emps knew playing with fire burns you, Magnus wanted to show him how fire could be useful, so he burned the house while Dad Emperor was installing the electricity, but how do you think he made the lightbulb in the first place? With fire. He didn't want to, but that's how you make lightbulbs, and he did it so nobody else had to light candles on the house anymore.
>Not gonna lie this is why I love Magnus. Because he doesnt actually fall to any of his 'misuse' of the warp. He falls when he can no longer stand seeing his legion perish
Gee, and I just posted my "Magnus mistake was half-assing his surrender and now his legion is back to becoming CS after he traded an eye to Tzeench so they didn't become CS anymore" excerpt. You think communing with the warp and accepting stuff from it isn't misusing it and setting up your own fall? My, that's a good one. Yes, I'm sure it's you who is using Tzeentch and not the other way around. And yes, more and more psykers are born, I can't wait until the Witchhunters are invented.
>No I didnt source? I thought it was just the webway gate desu. Who created the Throne then?
The throne was discovered, and the excerp I just posted about Malc and Morty has them standing right before the prototype gateway. As in, they didn't unearth the stuff, the had to adapt the thing.
> A webway that already fights off invaders by itself.
Mortal invaders, anon. Just a load of wimpy Eldar. But Magnus kicked the thing too hard and now teared up the previously unteared fabric between the in-between-place of the Webway and the true lemon-juice hell that is the Warp. Now the warp is seeping into the webway, and someone has to keep the lid closed so that it doesn't slip onto Terra as well.
On hindsight, I suppose the Emperor should have told Magnus to not use sorcery. Oh, wait...

>>49940803
needed to make sure you guys saw this.

>>49943095
How well my legion fits my favorite style of army/tactics. Was only going to do a minimal investment in order to take part in a local 30k campaign, but things got out of hand.

Alpha Legion geometry is one hell of a drug.

>>49943226
Thank you my friend.

>>49943226
Uneducated plebz, the name is Dildaran! DILDARAAAAAAAAAN!

>>49943265
Gretchen...stop trying to make "Dildaran" happen.

Besides psychic powers, do you think TSons will be more melee or shooting focused?

>>49943331

Armywide +1 to invuln

>>49943331
I think it won't matter when I open up my first pack and cum nine times in a row

>>49943182
What if the Emperor had told the Thousand Sons (not Magnus, he must have known about Chaos and foolishly thought he could outsmart it) about the Chaos gods and what their tutelaries really were, and to stay away from certain things ? Because telling a psyker not to use his psychic powers is like telling a person not to use his hands how would that person even mastrubate ?

>>49943331
Should be shooting. Thousand Sons thought hand-to-hand combat was a barbaric practise best only used as last resort.

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>>49943182
>Magnus wanted to show him how fire could be useful
Considering Magnus and his brothers were literally made out of fire this should definitely have been expected. Even Mortarion and Russ were psychic the two that hated it the most.

>so nobody else had to light candles on the house anymore
This is crap when you consider when shit hit the fan psykers were the best defense against the forces of chaos.

>Yes, I'm sure it's you who is using Tzeentch and not the other way around.
>Implying Tzeentch is the entire warp
>Implying using the Fire of the Gods against them isn't the most badass way of getting shit done
Pity for you.

>The throne was discovered
But could you source that I'd actually love to read that. Could be cool if it links in to the Mechanicus reaching out to the Dark Eldar to fix the thing.


>Mortal invaders, anon.
No the Webway fights off invaders. This at least references it to the Dolmon gates of the Crons.

>But Magnus kicked the thing too hard and now teared up the previously unteared fabric between the in-between-place of the Webway
No this has happened before and normally the Eldar just seal it off.

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>>49943358
Kek, nice one
>>49943366
I would have told him the truth. Told Magnus that he was dabbling with daemons, told Russ nobody believed that stupid explanation about his witches not being witches, told Angron he was going to be dead by the end of the Crusade due to the nails... I don't know man, I don't have all the answers.

>>49943455
> Even Mortarion and Russ were psychic the two that hated it the most.
And they were right to do it.
>This is crap when you consider when shit hit the fan psykers were the best defense against the forces of chaos.
And who turned on the fan, anon? The denizens of the Warp convinced Lorgar through barely disguised promises of...slavery. And I think you can kill daemons with blades and fire? No need to punch Zahariel's head off, thank you very much.
>Fire of the Gods
Sorceres. It's never their fault, huh?
>No this has happened before and normally the Eldar just seal it off.
That's what I'm saying, it's already flimsy as it is, and then Magnus comes in kicking up a hole in the wall. See not even Eldar use psyker powers in the sensitive areas, anon, not even those xenos.
Also, Im tired and I'm not downloading like 5 sources just to say the Golden Throne's mechanism origin is "Unknown", srry not srry.

>>49940299
True Grit I should hope. Deathguard should have it too.

>>49940129
It's not so bad on Termies.

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>>49943683
I can only find this. Seems the gate was engineered by the Emps to me.

>And they were right to do it.
Nah they were just bigots. At least for Mort taht hatred ran through to the Emperor as well instead of Russ's selective hatred like with his rune priests.

>And who turned on the fan, anon?
The Old Ones and the Crons. Chaos was always the main enemy of the Emperor and he knew it.

>think you can kill daemons with blades and fire?
Grey Knights.

>Magnus comes in kicking up a hole in the wall See not even Eldar use psyker powers in the sensitive areas, anon, not even those xenos.
Becuase he couldnt know any better its not like he knew the nature of the webway. He broke through the defenses of the Emperor, he didnt know what was underneath but he took the risk to warn about Horus. If the Emperor had listened to his warning it might have been worth it as stopping the horus heresy is more important then starting a new war in the webway.

help me spend my last 30 points HHG:

World Eaters Crimson Path 2500 pts

HQ

Kharn, Gorechild, 190 pts
Gahlan Surlak, 110 pts

Troops

10 x Inductii, Sgt with PFist, 140 pts
10 x Inductii, Sgt with PFist, 140 pts
(both squads ride in Stormlord)

Elites

5 x Red Butchers, Sgt with 2 Chainfists, Dreadclaw, 410 pts
10 x Marksmen Vets, Rhino with Multimelta, 210 pts
10 x Marksmen Vets, Rhino with Multimelta, 210 pts
5 x Tartaros Terminators, 4 PFists, 1 Chainfist, Sgt with Grenade Harness, 215 pts
(Tartaros go with Gahlan + Kharn in Stormlord)

Heavy Support

1 x Vindicator with Machine Spirit 145 pts
1 x Vindicator with Machine Spirit 145 pts

Lord of War

1 x Stormlord, Space Marine Crew, 1 x Lascannon Sponson pair, 555 pts

2470 out of 2500 points, anywhere I should fill in the last bit? is taking two Machine Spirit Vindicators cheesy? I wanted something deadly, high AV and fast so that an opponent wouldn't be able to focus everything on the Stormlord before my reserves arrive.

>>49943818
>The Old Ones and the Crons
Right anon, they turned on the fan we're talking about, the one that unleashed daemons into 30k.
>>49943818
>Grey Knights.
I said you can kill daemons with blades and fire, not that I doubt you can do so, nigga. Also, Grey Knights can kill everything, so yeah, I think you can kill a dog with a S7 Psibolter.
>Becuase he couldnt know any better its not like he knew the nature of the webway
You know who could have known better, anon? The Emperor. Maybe that immortal being understands the Warp better than a scholar cyclops, and when he tells you to not do a thing, you better not do the thing he explicitly told you not to do. He didn't take the risk, he seized the oportunity to prove sorcery is good. Not to mention he believed his mastery over the warp was so great it never occured to him that maybe that vision wasn't true and he was being manipulated into unknowingly smashing the Emperor's project that was going to lessen mankind's dependence on the warp by delivering a warning in the worst way possible. Maybe that happens to lesser psykers, but not to Magnus right? and especially not orchestrated by Tzeentch the Great Manipulator.

>>49942375
Interesting passage wherever its from. Did any of the other Primarchs get sought out as hard as Magnus?

Fulgrim fell because of a sword
Horus because dagger and lodge
Mort just hated his dad and typhus
Lorgar sought out the gods
A&O redacted
Angron was just mad.

Tzeentch actively engaged Magnus. A Chaos God interacting with a mortal. Pretty interesting stuff desu.

>>49943095
The fact that they turned Space Marines into 18 different armies. Also the fact that since more money is required to play HH it has the unintentional effect that everyone playing it actually cares a little.
also no Riptides or Wave Serpents

>>49944006
>not blindly trusting all of your fever dreams
jesus dude this is why you never get ahead in life

>>49944001
Maybe give your vindies a pintle gun to protect against weapon destroyed? Or maybe AC on your stormlord

>>49943818
what's the source of that passage? Not that I doubt it or anything, I'm just curious.

Are forgeworld actually going to release models with inferno? Its the only reason I can think of for a book being delayed

>>49944052
Collected Visions I think.

>>49944046
the font and page colour seems like collected visions

My 2 thrones to fix Destroyers:

Base down to 125, Packs are 35, 17 to add a marine.

Each Destroyer can a pistol for a hand flamer with chem munitions for 15 points.

Pistols are 12" S2 AP- Radphage Fleshbane Pistol.

Same usual other options.

>>49944025
>Nurgle actively infected Mortarion. A Chaos God interacting with an enhanced being woven using the warp. I liked himmore when he was going full Trump on Witches, desu desu.

>>49944006
>the one that unleashed daemons into 30k.
Yeah. Pretty much. Who else?

>I said you can kill daemons with blades and fire
Sorry I misunderstood I guess. I guess my point was the Imperium relies on its psykers to combat the warp. The Emperor banned it uses throughout his armies. Perhaps Magnus wouldnt have had to prove anything if his father didnt reject him and even his safer and sensible approach.

>You know who could have known better, anon? The Emperor.
True. Maybe he should have explained it to Magnus instead of shutting down his legion and librarian program and sending him home to brood. Its not like he was going to end up sitting on the throne anyway... wait...

>his mastery over the warp was so great it never occured to him that maybe that vision wasn't true and he was being manipulated
And this doesnt apply to the Emperor how?

>Emperor's project that was going to lessen mankind's dependence on the warp
And as yet unproven. Not that It can be now lol but I've never seen evidence it was going to work.

>>49944046
Horus Heresy Collected visions

>>49944098
I thought that was more of an inside job with typhus?

He was a traitor with horus but that was more renegade I thought then chaos.

>>49939030
>And in an assault, 10 assault marines won't actually kill that much. It takes a lot of upgrades for them to become effective.
Well duh, one of the advantages of assault marines over tacticals is that they CAN take upgrades to make them better at what they do.
Tacticals will never have AP2/3 outside of their sergeant, tacticals will never have more than one melta bomb and tacticals will never have an invuln while assault marines can get all of the above.

>>49944193
They can also blob whilst remaining mobile, which i think is their greatest strength

>>49944043
pintle mounted gun is a pretty good idea, I was thinking about giving them extra armor to protect against shaken results since blast + snapshooting is bad. and unfortunately there's no option for AC on the Stormlord...which sucks.

>>49944167
True, but he did set him on a date with Nurgle himself. Classic witch, huh?
>>49944138
>Who else?
Lorgar, anon. Lorgar and Erebus and Kor and stuff.
>Perhaps Magnus wouldnt have had to prove anything if his father didnt reject him and even his safer and sensible approach.
No, that was the Khan. Magnus wanted unrestricted overwitching 24/7. Then again, 30k is "Stuff that could have been handled better - The Setting", so I too agree with your point, in a way. Saying the Emperor was perfect, now that would be hipocrisy.
>And this doesnt apply to the Emperor how?
Are you saying the Unification was a mistake? Are you really saying that, anon?
Not you !MSGek, you're cool.
>Not that It can be now lol but I've never seen evidence it was going to work.
Oh and we won't see such evidence, because Magnus broke the thing.

>>49944328
>Lorgar, anon. Lorgar and Erebus and Kor and stuff.
All these guys were tools of Chaos. I understand your point but Humanity awakened in a Galaxy already scared from war. The Gods were always going to have a part to play in the war for the galaxy but the Emperor sent his armies out undefended against the denizens of the warp. In the end its no surprise they came to destroy him.

>No, that was the Khan. Magnus wanted unrestricted overwitching 24/7.
Magnus wanted that for himself however for the legions he fought hard for the librarius program.

>Are you really saying that, anon?
Just pointing out the hypocrisy. You already get Chaosfags argue that the state of the Emperor and the Imperium was 'just as planned by'. chaos.

>Oh and we won't see such evidence, because Magnus broke the thing.
Yeah I said that my point was more that it was a stupid secret project that was bound to fail anyway. Tzeentch or any other psyker could have always done what Magnus did and thats to say nothing of the Eldar trying to stop him anyway.

Late night early bread >>49944705

>>49944025
Don't forget Curze, who was too busy killing his own dudes for anyone to go looking for him

>>49942107

>Quick question - the Sang. Guard jump packs, they look like the MkIV single-intake jump packs, and I know the wings are added separately. Are they pretty much exactly MkIV jump packs? If so, that'll save me the trouble of getting jump packs from FW for the palatines.

Sanguinary guard jump packs are indeed MkIV jump packs, but...

1 - They're very expensive from most bits sellers, and almost always out of stock

2 - FW don't sell separate jump packs

>>49942596
>Hey, how many DEldar are there? You know, how many should we kill to scour the Webway clean of them and claim it for our own?
Wait, isn't the Khan the most psychic loyalist primarch left alive?

Funny that he'd go missing in the Webway, maybe it's not just DEldar he's looking for

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>>49942203
M...me?