Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>49918010
First for what are you buying yourself for christmas, anons?

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1. Purchase a make-your-own-dildo set
2. Make a mould of your dick
3. Cast your dick with resin
4. Cut it to proper size, cut out the seat, details, etc.
5. Greenstuff the front part.
6. Add a rider, paint

Boom, cheap jetbikes.

>>49918060
I might buy a couple BoP boxes and some additional goodies from FW.

>>49918060
>BoP
>Corax
>A buncha sneaky beakies
>some more troops

My backlog just keeps growing...

>>49918060
Are there other pictures of this? I can't make what is up on the tree.

Topic related, I have two options:

-A knight, which I will paint in marble.

-Land Raiders or Spartans. Should I get them from GW or FW?

Also, I intend to magnetize everything, so both are more hobby projects than anything.

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One repost of BoP ahriman in blue, in case anyone was wondering how he looks in that scheme.

>>49918223
It's Trazyn the Infinite stealing the Blood Raven's christmas 'gifts', a /tg/ christmas staple
To answet your question, I like the Cerastus Knights, personally. Spartans and Raiders don't do it for me.

Anyone have experience with Scattershot Painting? I commissioned a primarch from them in July, last month they said he'd be done in a week or so. Is this normal for them, or should I start hounding them more? I'm gonna contact again tomorrow for an update but I want to be sure I'm not just being an impatient fuck.

>>49918060
If the GBP keeps tanking
>Vulkan
If not I'm buying Custodes from my /friends/

>>49918060
Given the size of the pile I still have to do, not much of anything presumably. I'm busy prepping some Infinity Red Veil models, but Heresy MkIV marines are up next.

>>49918287
Just by a google search and facebook page, i found
>Everyone that's hitting me up I will be u available for Wips etc.. my wife is in the hospital having our next child I will be a little preoccupied will get back to you soon
So yeah, maybe check official channels

>>49918247
Thought they looked like BRs, that would explain the extreme armour mismatch too. Cool, thanks.

I also like the Cerastus(es?), the Castigator in particular strikes me the most. But sadly, I meant a plastic Knight, my budget is not as high as to afford a Forgeworld one yet and I wanted to magnetize all the weapons for versatilty, but one day I will have a Castigator (or cooler).

The LRs are more because I want something that is not infantry and I also need transports. Sorry for bringing up GW, but with my resources the FW vehicles are a bit too much.

>>49918335
Get your transports before you get your superheavies, else you'll never get around to it

also atrapos is best cerastus

What's the best way of getting Raven Terminators with Raven's Claws into the heart of the Raven's foes? Or, is it a bad idea dumping that many points onto a unit that is still going to need some kind of transport?

>>49918526
Yeah, thought so. So LR is it. Thanks.

Also, Atrapos is cool, but the sword and double minigun combo does things to parts of my anatomy.

Reposting due to last thread being dead. How does this look like for a 2500 point edgelord list to build towards for a first heresy army? I've played with a friends Death guard often enough to know how 30k games go and i'm sick of playing Nids, so i figured i would try the other super scary things out there.

435-Night Haunter-Warlord-Terror Assault

150-Forgelord-Cataphractii, Power Fist, Rad grenades, Trophies, Teleporter

205-Command squad, Cataphractii, 1 Chainfist, Teleportation Transponder

245-Cortus dread, Power+Chainfist, dread pod

275-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Chainglaive, AA, Meltabombs
275-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Chainglaive, AA, Meltabombs
275-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Chainglaive, AA, Meltabombs

230-Primaris-Lightning-Battle servitors, Ground trackers, 4 kraken penetrators

410-Leviathan Siege Dread-Phosphex, Melta Lance, Siege drill, Dread pod

I love the idea of insane dreads crashing to the ground, messily killing anything nearby with a forgelord dropping in later to clean up survivors and noting how successful his most recently installed inmates were when released onto the battlefield. Crunch-wise, it seems like its decent at both anti-infantry and anti-tank, although it might struggle against tank spam lists and flyer-heavy lists. I could free up a lot of points without bringing batman, but Primarchs are what makes 30k special. Any commentary?

>>49918560
Be careful against Mechanicum, because there Melta, Armourbane and Lightinings are less useful than Snipervets but otherwise excellent list, will decimate Legions. Where does Haunter go?

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>>49918010
Did somebody say chainbayonets?
CHAINBLADES ON EVERYTHING

>>49918060
Got 2 boxes of Prospero on pre-order. One's a late birthday present for myself, the other's for xmas. Considering a Mastodon too if I can afford it...

>>49918556
A full unit of clawed Termies sounds like a gret beatstick, but will probably be outperformed by legion-specific terminators at a similar cost.
My advice would be put them in a Spartan with a Chaplain and maybe a Primus Medicae if you want to have fun with them.

>>49918670
>file size is 888KB
Khorne smiles on me today
sorry for the fuckhueg resolution however

>>49918670
Dammit that's a sexy ass MoS. I reckon it's a WIP, since the bolter lacks a chainbayonet, as well as the Anvillus vents lack chainbayonets of their own.

>>49918628
I was just going to run batman around with his 2+ cover killing high-value targets. I already have three terror squads and batman himself to shred infantry, an assault squad or raptors to put him in would blow the budget horrifically. Its insanely hard to budget enough points into anti-tank with only one HS slot, especially when i really want to paint a Leviathan. Against mechanicum, PE volkites and shredding murderous strike should work pretty well, i'm hoping. If i regularly get asskicked by robots, i would just swap drill for a claw and go snip snip at those thanatars.

>>49918556
Either drive (Spartan or LR) or drop them in, either by normal pod, dreadclaw or Kharybdis. The Spartan and Kharybdis are best if you want to bring support models.

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>>49918731
How astute of you to realise! Here's a mock-up of the finished model.

During the Shadow Crusade, he was told by Khârn to be wary of "backstabbing Word Bearers". Took it a little too literally...

Also, file size displaying as 188KB. Yet again, Khorne blesses my Legion

>>49918992
Meltabomb just in case.
Nice Mini

Is there any point in having rhinos or is a land raider minimum?

>>49919014
Thank you kind anon. Just in case, yeah ;) He's going to be sitting with a Volkite Caliver support squad if I ever play a single game..., because who doesn't love 20 S6 Deflagrating Interceptor/BS5 shots at 36"?

>>49918559
The Castigator is the coolest knight, my loins quiver at the thought of the sheer dakka that gun produces.

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reminder

>>49919172
I had entirely forgotten about the Knight-Psoriasis. I think I'm gonna buy 3 when it's released.

>>49919043
Rhinos are cheap, they have their place I think.

>>49918071
But wouldn't those homemade jetbikes be waaay to small :^)

>>49919043
Rhino's work just fine. Multiple units in rhino's moving foward works great, but a single rhino making a mad dash for the enemy gunline a little less so.

>>49918228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc

Hello HHG, I'm playing my Legio Cybernetica against Iron Warriors soon. Any advice?

>>49919264
Man I don't know what they're smoking but holy shit.

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wtf its just a herald

>>49919172
>reminder
That it is too big to actually gel with a knight army visually?
That being a Warhound-sized knight is in direct violation of the fluff?
That nobody actually runs that big shit in the game?

>>49918060
BoP, Battletech box with all the plastic mechs and Emperor's Might to go with my copy of Emperor's Will.

That should be my tax return well spent.

>>49919366
About 25% too large. Doesn't match the other knight patterns at all.

>>49919366
>>49919172
>That's a big knight.

>>49919392
I feel that's more like a light Titan than anything else. It does look a bit smaller than a Warhound though, but it does tower over regular knights.

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>>49919352
Don't remind me.

It should have been like the old Knight Crusader, just a better armoured Paladin with all out big guns. As it is now, I'd just field it as a quad turbo-laser Warhound, I'm sure it's got the size and those rules would be better than whatever FW has planned for it.

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>>49919437
I dunno, man.

>>49919172
Is it really a knight when it's the size of a Warhound

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>>49919454
That's a crouched warhound, anon!

>>49919454
Consider the weapons, also close in size to a Knight in themselves.

>>49919470
>>49919454
so pretty....

>>49918060
at least 2x BoP (maybe even 3 or 4 to resell some stuff) and maybe a Spartan

Just got my first forgeworld shipment today and I'm in the process of cleaning up my guys. Last thread people were saying that resin dust gives ya cancer which makes sense but do I need a mask if I'm just cutting stuff with a knife or washing off cleaning agent?

>>49919079
>sheer dakka that gun produces.

The avenger galling cannon on normal knights outperforms it in every way though

>>49919557
Washing : not really
Cutting : you'll be creating dust along the way, so be careful.

>>49919351
Herald of ruined dreams

>>49919079
Calivers are only 30" my friend. All volkite is in multiples of 5

>>49919351
>tfw i just picked him up as conversion fuel for my Praetor

Loving every laugh.

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>>49919441
I know FW changed the size because of the upcoming Adeptus Titanicus game, to differentiate the knights more, but I honestly couldn't give any less of a shit about that. The Porphyrion looks already way different from the Questoris-pattern.
The old size was maybe not perfect, but certainly way better than the negligible difference than the hulking monstrosity has now. Which is a shame, because the sculpt is lovely and I'd like one for my household.

Have you lot seen Russ' get you by rules? https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/Leman%20Russ%20Rules.pdf

>>49919579
Oh damn, okay thanks for the warning!
So when using this should I be doing the cutting and stuff outside to not inhale it?

>>49919845

You can do it indoors, just make sure you're wearing a mask that can protect your lungs from inhaling the particles, and then be prepared to vacuum up any dust/shavings of resin left behind from your work.

>>49919841
>make get you by rules for Russ
>don't make get you by paper printout for Dorn

>>49919744
It looks so chubby. I want to buy three and hug them every night. One with each arm and the third with my legs.

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>>49919744
>Which is a shame, because the sculpt is lovely and I'd like one for my household.
pretty much my thoughts

Cerastus at least makes for a good baron stand-in despite their lankiness.

>>49919885
>Not even a plain MK IV marine sold as Alpharius

Remember that time Lorgar went to a chaos cult planet with his boiz and a Custodes, and then some random scrubs managed to subdue the Custodes, and impale him with a spike up his ass as a sacrifice?

>>49920001
The random scrubs being argel tal and xaphen, two astartes?

>>49920001
I'd rather not thank you very much.

>>49920000
Mk VI

>>49920001

Custodes are overrated.

I mean, two harlequins killed two dozen.

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>>49918060
Why did the Bloodravens loot a buttplug for Bio-Titans and then decorated it like a Christmas tree?

>>49919841
They've been about for 2 threads

>>49919264
Dammit my jetbike can't maneuver. Far too easy to get within 1" of an enemy unit, suffers multiple enemy charges every turn :^)
>>49919334
It'd be helpful to know your list and strategy. Or his', if you know it.

Guys, maybe the new Knight is just where the line between Knight and Titan blur.

>>49918060
a box of BoP and BaC to start my IF army.

>>49919468
That's basically why people keep bitching about the Knight-Porphyrion.
a) It's too big for a knight. Actual Titans require a crew of multiple people and are way more complex; this one is marginally smaller than a Warhound, if at all.
b) It's too big for a knight army, be it 30k crusade or 40k household. It will stick out like a sore thumb between questores and cerasti.
c) It's too big to actually transport in a reasonable manner. A knight army is a daunting task to transport at the best of times, but this fucker is going to be infinitly worse.
But FW insists that it needs to be that big to keep people from confusing it with other knights in the titan game, which makes no sense since people can tell a space marine with a boltgun apart from a space marine with a plasmagun no problem.

I'm bringing the following list:

HQ:
Anacharis Scoria 275
-Xanathite Abeyant 40
315

Magos Dominus 75
-Machinator Array 25, Augury Scanner 5
105

Troops:
3 Castellax Class Battle Automata 315
-Enhanced Targeting Arrays 45
360

3 Castellax Class Battle Automata 315
-Enhanced Targeting Arrays 45, Darkfire Cannons 60, Siege Wreckers 60, Frag Grenades 15
495

Adsecularis Covenant 35
+5x Tech Thrall 15, Rite of Pure Thought 15
65

Adsecularis Covenant 35
+5x Tech Thrall 15, Rite of Pure Thought 15
65

Fast Attack:
Vultarax-Stratos Automata 175

Heavy Support:
Thanatar Class Siege Automata 250
Enhanced Targeting Array 15
265

Thanatar Class Siege Automata 250
Enhanced Targeting Array 15
265

Myrmidon Destructors 135
+2 Myrmidon Destructors 80, 5x Graviton Imploders 175
390

Total 2500 Points

>>49920389
>>49920235
No idea on his besides him bringing a knight and maybe Legio Cybernetica instead of IW

>>49920389

>Anacharis Scoria

You're good.

>>49920415
Fair enough. Well got a nice proxy from him using a warmachine model

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Another day, another Grave Warden.

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ultramarine blue or cobalt blue?

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>>49920000
You mean TWO MkVI marines, right?
>>49920001
>>49920089
Reading their rules, it's not surprising they were beaten up.
>>49920407
Well he'll probably have Medusae, but you have the Vultarax. Only one, though. Also
>>49920389
>3 Castellax Class Battle Automata 315
>-Enhanced Targeting Arrays 45, Darkfire Cannons 60, Siege Wreckers 60, Frag Grenades 15
>495
Why not having a Castellax maniple with ETA & Darkfire cannons and the other one without them but equipped with the Siege Wreckers? Either you shoot or you smash.

>>49920479
I might just fix that thicc highlight on the gun once I have a nice cup of tea and relax a bit.

>>49920571
Because they're built for first shooting termis then mulching them and Scoria goes with them. Thanatars also always hit medusa side armour with ordnance and ap2.

>>49920383
>It's too big to actually transport in a reasonable manner. A knight army is a daunting task to transport at the best of times, but this fucker is going to be infinitly worse.
This is one of the main reasons I still haven't assembled my Knights Renegade box. I just don't have anywhere to store the damn things.

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>it's just more Khorneshit
Jesus christ.

>>49920683
What is this?

>>49920383
Yeah. I think >>49919744 is a perfectly reasonable design. It's a beefed up regular knight with dedicated dakka. Power is a little better and make a few gun options, like maybe non-barrage earthshaker cannons and AA dakka variants.

>>49920704
looks like a contemptor with Khorne shit on it.

>>49920681
Battlefoam Knight Trays (7 inches deep) should handle your plastic knights just fine.
However the taller Forge World Knights would be a bit of an issue, especially since they're more fragile as well.

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>>49920571
>seeing text I wrote for the lexicanum appear in an alphameme

>>49920719
Yeah but why is it relevant? Why was it posted? Is it some kind of release?

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>>49919744
Wait, this is a re-scaled model isn't it? I thought the Porfirio Knight was as big as a squatting slav Warhound
>>49919892
>It looks so chubby. I want to buy three and hug them every night. One with each arm and the third with my legs.
It'd be bliss, anon! I want a plushie Combibolter to hug at night. Or better, a real Combibolter.
>>49920683
>TALK TO THE HAND!
The hand shoots flaming skulls with khorneshit engraved on them
>>49920830
All the text, or what part of it?

>>49920683
It's an interesting question. When did the traitor legions learn what the symbols they needed to add to their armour/vehicles were? Did a herald of the various gods sit them down and go "this is the symbol of khorne, it would be just LOVELY if you added this to your contemptor"?

>>49921057
>Wait, this is a re-scaled model isn't it?

That's the original model that was shown. Then they rescaled it to be hueg.

>>49921092
Boooo.

>>49920501
cobalt, just looks nicer
btw, bit iffy with the suezarians look, does anyone here have them? how do they look on the table with everything else?

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>>49919841
>Mfw Russ' armour of Elavagar's provisional rules are as good as the Barbaran Plate's final rules, and it will only get better

>>49921057
That was the old size. Now it's nominally smaller than a warhound.

>>49921089
Probably seen in visions by people who've looked at the abyss for too long.

>"In a flash of insight the secret magic of the runes was revealed to him. He took up the runes and mastered them, four powerful symbols for protection, success in battle, lovemaking, and the power to bring back the dead!"

They also probably spawn as gifts from the dark gods, are seen on their daemons, etc. In the BoP video it talks about the board tiles having Chaos hints on them, like eyes looking up from pools of molten rock and a blood splatter in the shape of the Tzeentch symbol.

>>49921089
Maybe the symbols are learnt instinctively, like when you are corrupted by khorne or whatever you just sort of 'know' what his symbol is. Or they are learnt via dream or meditation. I can't imagine a daemonette being all "okay so it's a circle with a stick with a crescent at the end of the stick and another one half way alone the stick".

Who was the First Emperor in Khangba Marwu or whatever it was called?

>>49921171
>Probably seen in visions by people who've looked at the abyss for too long.
So, like our prophetic dreams after staring at hhg too much?
>>49921183
It reminds me of that image of a daemon teaching a girl how to draw a fell-circle.

>>49921171
>In the BoP video it talks about the board tiles having Chaos hints on them, like eyes looking up from pools of molten rock and a blood splatter in the shape of the Tzeentch symbol.
that'd be kind of cool if it's the case

>magnus, are we the baddies?

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>>49921135
If there is a more useless Primarch than Russ, it would be Mortarion...and Fagnus too.

>Tzeetch & Nurgle
>being about to corrupt competent Primarch

Is there any value in playing Iron Hands without a load of tanks? I'm fond of the special rules and their units.

The Heresy Predators look a bit goofy though.

>>49921332
>I don't want to play with a lot of tanks
>picks Iron Hands

>>49921332
-1 Strength against all Infantry, effectively toughness 8 Rapiers, all specialist units have feel no pain, and Immortal blobs. You have the toughest units in the game. (besides my legio cybernetica)

>>49921332
>The Heresy Predators look a bit goofy though.

You do know that technically the Mars Pattern Predators (ie. the standard plastic ones) are just as valid as Forge Worlds Deimos pattern ones right? They weren't as common, but if any legion would have had access to them it would have been the Iron Hands.

>>49921306
mortarion's probably the most interesting mechanically so far

>>49921306
>Khorne corrupts the only Primarch wearing power armour
>Lazy Slaanesh gets the one with the most Primarch kills.
>Chaos undivided never makes Horus a Daemon Primarch
>Perturabo is ascended to Daemon Primarch Undivided after slurping all of Dorn's geneseed.
Implying Chaos makes sense, are we?

>>49921374
Pert is Nurgle though

>>49920479
Näin tän satunnaisessa tänään. Hieno on!

>>49921389
No he isn't.

>>49921389
The Primarch whose marines gain Stubborn and Furious charge through his mere presence, who has the best toys made by himself and plays warhammer, is Nurgle's
Says your butt

>>49921389
According to memes only, that one paragraph of fluff from the 6th Ed chaos dex and some conjecture isn't evidence that he's a nurgle daemon prince.

>>49921332
Maybe company of bitter iron if you just want to run tough dudes into the filthy traitors and punch them with Mor and his gang. I just tried this and it was enjoyable because it was different from my tank heavy main list

49915843
That's the beauty of getting outflank on a transport flyer. If there's anything that can intercept you, just hover in on the side and if you get blown up, your cargo only takes S4 AP- hits.

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Are zoot suits LW/SoHs non-combat clothes?

>>49920430
May I ask what model/pics?

>>49921344
I like the scheme and I imagine they look amazing in the Prospero Mk3s. I'd rather spend my shekels on Dreadnoughts than metal boxes though.

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>>49921774
No, they follow the time honored denim and leather approach of most post apocalyptic gangs.

>>49921726
can you post your list? not that anon but I'm either going to do iron hands or blood angels after I finish my 2500 point world eaters list.

>>49921902
Then which legion does Zoot Suits?

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>>49921206
Are you thinking of Uilleam the Red, tyrant Prince of Albyon, Narthan Dume, tyrant of The Panpacific Empire, or Cardinal Tang, the Ethnarch of Yndonesia?

Cos Dume was executed rather than imprisoned bc Valdor said he was too dangerous to be kept alive.

>>49921929
Tank centric or bitter iron?

>>49921942
bitter iron. I love building rank and file dudes, hate building space marine vehicles.

>>49921332
Do the immortals as troops RoW and march those bastards up the board - their deaths will absolve them of their precious failures and their Feel No Pain will help them get where they're going in hopefully not fully exhausted numbers.

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>>49921836
My Scoria Proxy, representing him building whatever he could find as armour after he was broken out of prison on Xana Tisiphone

>>49921992
Previous, not precious. Goddamn my fucking banana fingers

>>49921931
Zoot Suits are for Stealer Cults.

>>49921728
Shit, I fucked up that quote. Here's what I'm talking about
>>49915546
>>49915843

>>49921970
2500

Autek Mor
4 man termie command squad, 1 2xLC, 2 fists, 1 chain fist
Dedicated Phobos

Praevain, 2 Castellax, ETA, Dark Fire Cannons

2x 10 man tacs, extra ccws, combi plasma, artificer, rhino

10 man immortal, artificer, fist, ten volkite chargers, dedicated proteus, extra TL Lascannon

2 cortus dreads, chain fist/fist

Vindicator, PotMS

Did pretty ok, but was facing Lorgar and daemon friends. Mor is pretty on par with Lorgar funny enough. Hatred is amazing, especially with rage cortus dreads. I gave the immortals PE(infantry) via Mor's WT. The castellax did good harassment and such. I have a refined list I'll try some time

>>49922099
I thought immortals were the compulsory troop choices so you needed to take at least two of them? either way taking a praevian with two castellaxes is a great idea, thanks for that.

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Man, with a little conversion work, this guy's actually pretty sick. He's a fucking Big Guy.

>>49922198
I feel like hes cosplaying havel from dark souls with that helmet

>>49922198
giving him a helmet and ditching the standard is definitely an improvement

But damn if that ain't one thicc space marine.

>>49922187
Immortals just become troop options. The beautiful thing is all units gain hatred(traitors), even robots and dreads. Immortals kinda get expensive if you buy them lots of gear tho

>>49922198
For you

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>>49922230
I'm going for a Corinthian style horsehair crest, there's still some work I need to do on it.

>>49922272
His legs are fucking xboxhueg, I love it. I almost feel that he belongs on a terminator base.

Which HH book contains information on the Pale Nomads?

>>49922390
Oh I wasn't saying the helmets bad, I was just saying the THICC legs and helmet make him look like havel

Bet he's got mad poise bro

>>49921089
I find it kind of weird how even in the HH novels, chaos symbols make people feel uneasy and sick, and yet, Lorgar with all of his Cholchisian runes tattooed on his face, never had that effect on people.

I mean, Colchis was essentially a chaos-lite world when he showed up, wouldn't most of their language be chaos symbols? Also, how the fuck do you tattoo a primarch?

>>49922412
Book six, and even then it's only fleeting second hand information from some blood angels during the scouring

>>49922452
I seem to remember it saying in the first heretic that he was constantly having to get the tattoos redone as his skin healed so quick

>>49921995

Hey Sang. Didn't know you delved down here.

>>49922457
rip
Not like I wanted information on the Space Sharks anyway

Why is crusade armour so fun?

>>49920585
Don't. Makes the gun look coarse as fuck. Maybe you should even draw some edge from the highlight further into the black parts?

>>49922597

Sweet ass segmented legs and mono visor

Reading FotI right now and the character Baryk Carya seems to switch sex every now and then. I understand she's a master but surely it's still 'she'?

>>49922457
Hnnh, I can't even find them in book 6

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What colors are used on the white here?

>>49921366
Is this true of the Rhinos too?

>>49922776
Yes, there's even images of Mars Pattern Rhinos in a few of the books.
They're less common, but still exist during the Heresy.

>>49918060
Waiting for Thousand Sons releases then either some Rubric Terminators and Rubric Dreads or BoP and dual pistols for destroyers.

I lose either way so I am waiting.

>>49922776
Plastic Mars pattern Rhino hull was used during the Heresy, as were plastic MkV Castaferrum dreadnoughts, plastic MkIII Land Raiders, Godwyn/Ultima bolters, etc. There's also no FW models for land speeders, attack bikes, etc. So the only models to use are the plastic GW ones. And if the attack bikes are kosher, so should the regular bikes. At least they're all over the old art.

>>49922756
Some Tamiya wash

>>49922866
> no FW models for land speeders, attack bikes
But, there are.

>>49922756
I imagine they started with a very light grey (I think GWs Ulthuan Grey is the default).

>>49922866
Those things are kosher, but they kind of defeat the purpose of feeling like you're playing proto-40k.

>>49922923
No there are not. There are FW models for their specific type of Land Speeder, and there's the normal FW bikes, but not the heavy weapon attack bikes (you know, the side-cart ones).

>>49922657
Lexicanum is wrong
Baryk is male and the description is of a man
Probably mixed up as his second in command is female and mentioned a lot at the same time

>>49922923
>But, there are.

Well, do provide some evidence of these Legion Attack Bikes and Legion Land Speeders. Oh, and a Deimos Pattern Whirlwind while you're at it.

>>49922942
I don't see how that is, if those things existed during HH.

A little like complaining it doesn't feel very WW2 to be a US soldier with a bolt action rifle and a water-cooled machine gun, even though that was a thing. Or that select-fire automatic or lever action rifles aren't very WW1 Russian, even though that was a thing too.

>>49922945
Bruh, you need to be more specific when talking about bikes. They were on the rage in 5th and died after that, nobody knowns the different between a bike and an attack bike.

There are no 30k Trikes. But there are land speeders, and bikes.

>>49922974
Maybe you have an older copy with mistakes in it
The rereleases with the pictures have some corrections e.g. Descent of angels has date corrections

>>49922942
>but they kind of defeat the purpose
not really? rhino's a rhino. They pre-date the imperium.

You just have to be careful with iconography and loadout, as some only came about post-heresy (like the predator annihilator).

no ones going to give a shit if I use an appropriately painted plastic drop pod as a dreadnought drop pod, right?

>>49923056
>you need to be more specific when talking about bikes

Talking to the wrong anon there. Also, I literally said "attack bike". If you do not know the difference, it's not my problem. It's the official name for the damn thing.

>But there are land speeders

Yes, the plastic GW ones. There's no 30k model for Legion Land Speeder. And before you link to the Javelin Attack Speeder, take a moment and really think about what you're doing and what's being said here.

>and bikes.

Nobody's talking about those, the talk is about attack bikes. There's no 30k model for an attack bike and I don't even know if you can put a sidecar on the FW bike, since it's based on the Scout bike.

>>49922742
I'm wrong actually, I was thinking of the story where the blackshields kill a load of Night Lords, but they're ashen claws not pale nomads.

Soz anon, but tbf I doubt that it'll be the last we see of the carachadons.

>>49923115
Dread drop pods are much larger than regular pods, though. In a game of TLOS size does matter, I'm afraid.

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>>49921260

>>49922509
>Sanguinius
>Hairy abo knuckles
Wewlad

>>49918560
Anyone else like to say anything about this one before i go off to bed?

Dubs picks my legion.

>>49923362
Rainbow warriors

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I have two calth boxes, and I'm going to get prospero. Now there are a ton of traitors at my FGLS and not a lot of loyalists. I was thinking of doing Ultramarines, or maybe Imperial Fists, but I'm not really sold on a play style yet. What can I do with 15 terminators, 90 bodies, and a ton of drop pods that I also have?

>>49923362
Rainbow
Warriors

>>49923362
Warriors of the rainbow

>>49918010
Has anyone else realized that you could probably make a really good campaign by using the same forces and stringing together the games from the various boxed sets?

Two forces of Astartes and their human auxilia allies are fighting for control of a fortified HIve world that provides resources vital for the war effort in your sector of space.

Betrayal at Calth would work for fights between loyalists and heretics in the underbelly of the hive, trying to take generators, munitions stockpiles, and Void shield generators.
Burning of Prospero looks like it could work as a way of doing fights in the mid levels of the hive, where the actual bulk of the fighting between large forces will be in play
Space hulk would be a fight aboard a ship that's drifted away from the fighting, or just aboard a wandering space hulk that has a weapon or resource on board. With a little modification for terminator on terminator fights of course.
Hell, if you replace the characters from Deathwatch Overkill with HH-era counterparts, and Cultists with Warp Cult/ Imperial militia units you could conceivably use that for commando raids on listening posts, fuel and ammo depots, and small orbital stations manned by regular people.

>>49923362
Rainbow warriors

>>49923477
WINNAR

>>49923362
Iron Warriors.

>>49923362
Blackshields, formed from 3rd Legion loyalists obsessed with colours before it was cool. I'd suggest "Rainbow Warriors" as the warband's name.

>>49923362
Double Rainbow Warriors

>>49923362
>>49923409
>>49923428
>>49923448
>>49923477
>>49923495
>>49923499
>>49923526
I can't tell if this is nothing but a cloned pile of sticks.

>>49923542
No. I'm just >>49923495
not sure about others.

>>49923425
Probably some kind of cool orbital assault Imperial Fists list. If you're fielding huge blocks of dudes, an IF Fury of the Legion attack is fucking bonkers.
>>49923362
Traitor Salamanders.

>>49923542
Only 3 are me you autistic Austrian

>>49922756
That metallic red is looking like a pain to do without an airbrush.

>>49923425
Both IF and UM lend themselves to heavy infantry armies. Fists are just better vanilla marines with solid buffs, UM tend to rely on MSU tactics to buff units working together.

>>49923274
>>abo knuckles
Huh?

>>49923425
To throw another idea out there, blood angels are suited to an army with a lot of dudemans, specifically they can't even have more vehicle units than infantry ones. Unfortunately their drop assault rite of war is based around jump packs not pods, however.

>>49923134

Holy shit this thing is as tall and almost as wide as a Knight

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>>49923780
RG also lend themselves to lots of infantry, and they have their own version of Orbital Assault, the Decapitation strike, which Alvarex Maun can do great in.

>>49923044
>>49923105
You misunderstand my point. It's not about whether or not they actually existed, it's more about recognition and association of iconic weaponry.

If you see a BA army in MkVII and with Mars pattern Rhinos, you will most likely look at it and think "oh, this is 40k" even though it technically could be a 30k army representing the Battle of Terra.
If you see a BA army in MkII-IV and with Deimos pattern Rhinos, you will most likely look at it and think "oh, this is 30k", even though it technically could be a 40k army representing a collection of ancient relics.

Some people want their games to distinctly look like it's a battle during the Horus Heresy.

>>49923815
how does "using mars/phobos pattern vehicles" equate to "an entire army of mk7 space marines"

people were playing 30k long before forgeworld made the deimos rhino ,mate

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>>49923815
This is the kind of thinking that prevents Salamander armies of Heavy Flamer Jetbikes that Move Through Cover because "it doesn't feel right".
Besides Jetbike$$$ themselves, of course.

>>49923815
>it's more about recognition and association of iconic weaponry.

I'm not responsible for how other people see something. They things existed, were used, and as such are HH. Demanding people to adhere to your (using the neutral "you" here) vision is stupid. I didn't grow up with FW's HH, so I have no interest in adhering to it. There's vast quantities of conversion and design choices in my armies I can give you reference photos from art or fluff across the board, from old ass pieces to FW books. I make what's cool and what I find interesting, as long as there at least some reference to it in any HH related material.

>>49923815
If I see a unit of 10 marine all with assault cannons, I know it's 30k BA regardless of armour mk

>>49923962

This makes me kinda interested in having one squad of Mk7 Alpha Legion in an otherwise Mk5/4/3 army, just because it's:

A) absurd looking, they don't look like that in 40k at all. Mk7 AL is like Mk6 Imperial Fists.

B) they're just so damn good at stealing shit

Might be cool for a seeker or headhunter squad or something

>>49924036
They did try and hit terra, so of any traitor legion they'd be the ones to have it. But are there any mk7 chests without the winged skull or the aquila on them?

The default would look kind of out of place in a 30k army.

>>49924036
Huh, sperging about MKII->MkVI I'm beginnig to forget what MkVII looks like.

>>49924036
Do it, just make sure they look proper Alpha-Legion-y. People will ask what's with the Mk7 so you may as well make them a talking point.

>>49924161
>are there any mk7 chests without the winged skull or the aquila on them?

Basically any 40k SM torso that doesn't have the Y-shaped (MkVI) or X-shaped (MkV) cabling on the chest is a MkVII. Or can be. The winged skull and aquila are just decorations. There's loads with barely anything. Maybe get those tank crew ones with the skull and cog and use them as like ones stolen from the factory before decorated by legion artificers, with just the Mechanicum skull and cog on the chest. Kind of like the piece about the MkIII suit repaired with fresh MkIV pieces still in unpainted ceramite and bearing Mechanicum factory markings.

How good are volkite Calivers? Whenever I see someone making a volkite support squad it's always chargers, So I was wondering if calivers were actually any good.

>>49924313
I run a ten man caliver squad in my IH. I felt they were a good back/mid field objective holder that puts out good shooting. I use them in most games

>>49924357
Nice, what puts me off them is the low AP, is this ever really an issue or do you just force saves with as many shots as you can?

>>49924313
225pts. for 20 S6 volkite shots with 30" range. Feels good to me.

>>49924395
If you roll ok, you're throwing 20 S6 shots that can Deflagrate. You definitely need a lot to be effective because it doesn't ignore armor. It's pretty middle road reliability and you can threaten some vehicles too. Again my issue was I wanted more troops and weapons that weren't bolters.

>>49924313
I have one in my RG I have assembled but not yet painted. I plan to use them in higher point games or if I face Admech/SA.

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Two questions:
1. Should I give my inductii sergeants normal mk4 helmets, the kinda silly berserker skull helmets, or an unmasked face? The rest are using the bunny eared helmets from the berserker set

2. Should I give my inductii sergeants power fists or melta bombs? Or is upgrading them a waste of points?

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>>49924467
What about PFist and Artificer? You'll do Crimson Path Inductii right? That's FnP on the sgt, who has a S9 Fist and, how many attacks? 4, 5?
Remember characters cannot be exorted to butchery, if that's why your asking about the helmets.

Are White Scars Cataphractii Terminators viable?

>>49924508
Depends. I never understood WS LA rules. Do they reroll both ranged and melee to hits when they move full 6"? I don't have my book at hand.
Anyway, rerolling AP2 weaponry like Plasma blasters or Power axes/Fists is always a good thing. People will tell you it's not fluffy, you don't listen to them, man! They haven't felt the strong shoulders of the Cataphractii.

>>49924442
Fair enough, I'm trying to fill 250ish points in my WS list and I have pretty much everything else covered, It's either a squad of these guys for holding backfield objectives or a squad of tacs with a rhino for holding midfield objectives

>>49924036

I actually really like this idea for the reasons that this Anon >>49924211 pointed out.

Sperg or no sperg, people will be intrigued by what is obviously a unit in MkVII and ask what their deal is, and you have a clever backstory to answer back with.

>>49924553
They could be a good back field sure. You could even try a charger squad in a rhino as well if you have points.

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>>49923805
MASTER OF DECENT

>>49924508
As a WS, yeah, it's a little interesting being able to hit and run but not sweep.

As >>49924549 said, re-rolling is always nice, but be sure to give them a transport to make up for the fact they cant run so you can still get the re-roll bonus

>>49924590
True, giving them all chargers and a rhino instead is cheaper than giving 10 of them calivers, but I prefer the s6 and the cool laser sniper look the caliver has to it

>>49924505
I was just thinking aesthetically if it would be weird to have a skeletor leader or mark 4. I might just leave the Sgt without a helmet even though I prefer not showing faces on my models.

Im kinda reluctant to put 25 points on the sergeant to save points, but I think a power fist would be so visually distinct and awesome I'll go for it.

>>49924648
Volkite is one of my favorite weapons to paint. I need an excuse to get culverins for either heavy support or my dreads at some point

>>49924618
>>49923805
A fun idea, though I'll have 30 of them in mkIII armor. I keep hearing that black is easy to paint but hard to do 'right'

>>49924553
I'd say a squad of volkite charges fits White Scars better, with their preference for fighting on the move and all that.

Not that there is anything bad about Volkite Calivers. I have a unit with those myself, and they're a bit like a heavy bolter squad in the troop slot : dependable amounts of wounds every shooting phase.

>>49924707
Then go power fist only, you'll still have a decent FnP. All I'm saying is that, if any sgt can use a power fist, that's an Inductii one.
Or use a power chainaxe for S6

>>49924036
Speaking of MkVII, which legions would have been most likely to field them outside of the ones on Terra? As prototypes and such, like the MkVI was fielded.

>>49924960
Horusians and Alpharians

>>49924960
None, MkVII was a prototype made on Terra and that was given to the defending legions, it literally was made on Terra itself and no other legion would have access to it prior to the scouring.

>>49924997
WRONG

It was made on Mars and going through initial mass production when the Fabricator General declared for Horus. Sigismund fought in the martian civil war and escaped with most of the mark VII suits to Terra before putting a blockade into effect around Mars.

>>49924779
Black is easy. There are so many ways to do it too. I personally prefer subtle highlights with slight the slight sheen that gw black has. Looks like liquid shadow.

I'm pretty excited for MKIII RG. 10 of my BoP dudes are going to be RG. 10 are going to be pale nomads that will double as carcharodons. The last 10 are up in the air.

Why the hell does Raven Guard have so much bird imagery when Corax grew up on a moon that didn't even have a fucking atmosphere?

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>>49924582
>>49924211
>>49924161

Yeah I was thinking of having just one veteran squad (probably two Sternguard boxes with my leftover Calth parts and AL helmets) that would be in Mk7, just to imply that these jerks had either infiltrated *everywhere* or are loyalists that Malcador/Omegon/Sigmar has put to good use.

They would put the Blood Ravens to shame.

>>49925020
Has there been a good timetable of HH fluff before the current stuff? I remember in the old armour article it says that MkVI suits were sent out as Horus' forces advanced through Sol. MkVII fluff says the machinery for it was moved to Terra and as Horus' forces took Mars, MkVII suits were being delivered to forces on Terra and Luna.

Yet in the current timeline Mars was pretty much sacked in the opening salvos of the Heresy and MkVI suits were available even before the Heresy as prototypes.

>>49924729
Playing WS and liking dreads is suffering

All I want is a contemptor with a power fist and twin linked culverin, but I can feel the khan looking disapprovingly at me.

>>49925216
I'm never sure if siggy and his boys went to mars to collect MKVI or MKVII suits, it's never made clear its always just "they went to collect armour"

And tbf, I always thought MKVII was a post heresy thing, designed using lessons they'd learned during the heresy.

>>49924779
Not very hard to do a black you're satisfied with, it can be tedious to paint, but with nice complementary colours everything gets tired together nicely.

Pic related, one of my RG, the black is painted with washes over a roughly highlighted dark base coat.

>>49925116

I'm gonna integrate 10-15 of my BoP dudes into my RG, probably going to also make some into Praetors that serve as honour guard for when I play them in 40k which is most of the time, seeing as the closest I get to play actual HH games is by thematic Kill Team games. Some of my remaining MkIII will go towards building a diorama thing of the 18 legions.

Hmmm, you also make me want to sneakily insert a few Carcharodons and Pale Nomads into my squads...

>>49925123
Kiavahr, the planet orbited by Deliverance is filled with Raven-like birds as well as giant rocs that resemble ravens.
Also, Edgar Allan Poe.

>>49925288

White Scars use dreads just fine senpai, in both 30k and 40k. Just take them and enjoy them.

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>>49925322
Fuck, forgot my pic like a newbie

>>49925123
Why does the alpha legion have a mythological creature invented 32,000years ago by the time they get round to existing?

Because it looks cool anon. Because it looks cool.

>>49925123
>he's never heard of the Birdman of Lycaeus

>>49925216
By timetable if you mean a resource, none other than the revision histories of the wiki pages, or notes sections on changes of same.
But get enough players together and the retcons all come tumbling out.

The armour Sigismund recovered from Mars has changed type I think 3 times now, for example.

>>49925331
I thought being locked in a steel box where you cant feel anything for the rest of time was a big no-no for the WS, being whole hippy free spirits and all.

Post pics of non-RG or AL minis in MKVI

IDGAF if it's not kosher, this is an armour discussion thread now

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>>49925319
Book 6, pg. 212.

It was really the machinery, research and scientists related to the MkVII they would have taken at tops, since all MkVIIs (in the old fluff) were made on Terra.

>>49925381

Some of them take one for the team.

Grey Knights are the same way, they have less dreads, not no dreads.

>>49925399
Nice, that clears something up for me

I guarantee it says somewhere it was MkVII in a retcon library book

>>49925319
The Mars BL novel says it's MkIV, then the fucking revised edition of the same says it's MkVI, tying it into the more closely developed fluff with FW's history of the MkVI and how it was issued to the Knights Errant and Corax's remnant force.

Some people say it was actually MkVII, but I dunno the source for that, no doubt some clever anon will provide it.

>>49925381
They hate it.

They'll still do it.

>>49925429
Fair enough, I could probably say as well he's a relic from the pre-chogoris days when it was all Terrans, as I doubt they gave a fuck about locking people up in dreads.

>>49925381
No, it was disrespectful to the dead.

It wasn't until the most recent SM codexes where GW went "Shit, we've told WS players not to buy dreads, that's not gonna make us any money. Quick, tell them some of them do use dreads!"

>>49925452

Even the Chogoris marines would have dreads. Not all WS are bikers, they just gotta get where they need to go fast.

Give him a drop pod and he's 100% WS material.

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>>49920719
>>49920704
It's a Khorntemptor.

What if normal Contemptors could take a Helical Targeting Array but Cortus couldn't?

Convince me to buy this leviathan dreadnought, /hhg/.

Fuck this thing is awesome.

Will it suck in game?

Does it even matter?

>>49925551
It would make footslogging Primes almost useful, if there was a way to choose whether or not to use skyfire depending on your needs

>>49925494
Thats the plan, 250pts for a coruts with a culverin and pod is a steal if you ask me

>tfw recon squad is now going to have an angry, omnissiah insulting, volkite spewing death machine podding in next to them

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>>49925147
>>49925216

I really only use MkVII for kitbashing non-production MkV armour, in combination with heresy kits looks quite nice in my opinion.
Of course, a bit of cutting, shaving off detail and greenstuffing is necessary to achieve the optimal result.

Pic related, a specially modified suit designed to minimize any harm stemmed from plasma gun overheat. (My apologies for the MkVIII torso, but the bulked up front really suited my needs. At least I shaved off all the detail and added greenstuff studs all over.)

>>49925439
As far as I know, the RG didn't receive any MkvII until after the siege of Terra, and even then, they remained with mostly MkVI as it was being produced in Kiavahr.

In Ravenlord, I think, the IFs deliver a few thousand MkVI battleplates to Corax, which would mean that a few years before the siege of Terra it was already in production. Perhaps even the IFs had a few dozen suits for themselves.
It's MkVII the one that wasn't deployed until shortly before the siege, and even then only to select legions in limited numbers.

>20 Immortals
>praetors
>2x Deimos rhinos
>4 sets of volkite chargers
> 2 squads of prospero mk3
Do I go for it?

>>49925677
You don't even need studs to make a fluff MkV, really.

In the old article it says that when available, MkIV materials and cabling were used, so that means no need for reinforcing the armour (no studs) and cables would fit under the plates (no external cables on limbs). It also says MkIV helmets were used at times. So a MkVII with the X-cables on the torso, rimless shoulder pads and a MkIV helmet would be fluffy under this description.

>>49925677
>In Ravenlord, I think, the IFs deliver a few thousand MkVI battleplates to Corax

I believe that was Deliverance Lost or could've been both, but yeah I remember MkVI being the armor mark Camba and Sigismund took from Mars.

>>49925591
It looks good baby. That's all you need to know.

And with the addition of my dread, my WS list is complete

r8 please lads

HQ...355pts

Praetor (Jetbike, Iron Halo, digi lasers, TH)
210pts

Centurion (librarian, ML2, Artificer armour. Refractor field, combi-plasma)
145pts

Elites...475pts

Veteran Squad (+5 vets, 5 power sword, power glaive and arti armour on sarge)
225pts

Cortus (TL culverin, Dread drop pod)
250pts

Troops

Jetbike squad (+2 jetbikes, sergeant, power glaive)
235pts

Outrider squad (+2 outriders, sergeant, power axe)
175pts

Outrider squad (+2 outriders, sergeant, power axe)
175pts

Recon squad (+5 marines, nuncio vox, cameoline, recon armour)
235pts

Fast attack...670pts

Storm eagle (Tl lascannon)
250pts

Seekers (+4 marines, 8 combi-plasmas, rhino)
350pts

Javelin land speeder (lascannons, HK missile)
70pts

Heavy support...180pts

Vindicator (laser destroyer array, armoured ceramite, combi bolter, machine spirit)
180pts

Praetor goes with jetbikers, dread pods in next to recon marines who will infiltrate and scout to get the dread as close to the enemy's scary looking dudes as possible, librarian rides with seekers rolling on divination to add an extra level of bullshit re-rolling to the seekers when needed.

>>49925756
Go for it.

>>49925677
Yeh, I dunno where the MkVII chat comes from.

Those MkVI suits were
>implied
to be from the batch the Fists actually saved on Mars. That batch of MkVI was supposedly split into the present for Corax and the ones Malcador kept for himself, ie the Knights Errant.

It was indeed originally written to be MkIV, when the idea was that mostly it was only traitor legions that had MkIV and this was how the loyalists got a stock of the new super high tech armour.
BL, in consulting with FW, realised that was dumb and so retconned their own novels to change it to Mk.VI

>>49925756
That much volkite on immortals is a huge point sink. I'd only do half the squad

>>49925677
Thats what I do for my bikers, buy GW bikers, shave down the kneepads a little bit and the shoulder trim then add microbeads and cabling where necessary to make MkV bikers.

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>>49925216
>remember in the old armour article it says that MkVI suits were sent out as Horus' forces advanced through Sol
>Yet in the current timeline Mars was pretty much sacked in the opening salvos of the Heresy and MkVI suits were available even before the Heresy as prototypes.
Not a contradiction. MkVI prototypes were available only to the RG (and the AL stole some prints). Back in the prototype version it was called simply "MkV-provisional". By the time Horus is advancing on Sol, MkVI, now named Corvus, is released to the loyalists.

>>49925807
Oh yeah forgot to mention vets ride in on storm eagle if you hadn't already figured that out.

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>>49925393
>Post pics of non-RG or AL minis in MKVI
This is all I have. Sallies and IW have some beakies, like Malbon

>>49925827
meh, I'm not super concerned about the points, I mostly want them to look cool on the battlefield, and I'm already spending more points than I should on them

>>49925768
True, but when I think of heresy pattern armour, the two things that come to mind is exposed cables and studs.

>>49925781
Yeah, it was probably in both Deliverance lost, as it happens simultaneously to the creation of the raptors.

>>49925824
MkIV is an interesting thing, it appears as far back as the Fulgrim book, and it's sometimes implied it had become somewhat common at the end of the crusade, while at the same time described as a rare commodity all through the heresy.
In fact, when corax receives the MkVI, a lot of his troops are described as armed with MkIV...

We can only blame BL.

>>49925843
Again, production MkVI is already being made and called Corvus by the time of deliverance lost, which is about a year and a half after the Isstvaan massacre.

>>49925905
Then do it. It'll be badass. Hopefully they get a points drop later or improve gun them down

>>49918010
How much infantry can I fit into a list before it's bad? Can I do an all infantry (except for dreads) Ultramarine list?

How do you guys paint your volkite?

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>>49925768
Some examples of MkIV had studds. And we all know it's not MkV if the crotch isn't studded
>>49925677
Add some crotch studds anon!, no one will be able to deny it is MkV!
>Pinprick plasma barrel
I know it makes sense, I just need to forget about the "ferromagnetic electromagnet".
>>49925919
It makes sense, since MkVI entered production a few months before Istvaan. Read this HH3 excerpt sanctioning you to buy MkVI for your forces -> >>49925879

hey, guys!

does anyone know the rules for TS minis in BoP box?

>>49925933
That would suit their RoW, where you can just give infantry and dreads buffs each turn. Plus you'll activate interlocking tactics very easily

>>49925968
Orange glow, for the classic martian death ray aesthetic

>>49925968
My IH are orange-red, and my SoH are going to be yellow. The guns are just various metallics

>>49925975
>Some examples of MkIV had studds.

Usually for the same reasons, to reinforce the armour, possibly to make it more durable or as a battlefield repair.

>>49925933
>Can I do an all infantry (except for dreads) Ultramarine list?

If you do this I advice you to get fortifications, large infantry formations will get absolutely destroyed before they can have an effect on the enemy and fortifications allow you to move large infantry units into the mid-field very early or keep them safe since they WILL get fucked in ten different ways before doing anything.

All Jump Infantry list on the other hand can be good as they are fast enough to go around hugging cover and assault shit if you have enough bodies to survive the shelling.

>>49925835
Still haven't gotten my hands on some micro beads, haven't really looked for them.
Currently I've been doing my studs with plasticard or greenstuff rods cut into slices and glued to the mini.

I hear that a while ago a common practice was to add successive dots of PVA glue to make studs, it takes a few layers, but the examples I've seen look nice. Might try it soon.

>>49925975
Great idea!
It's also wise to have the crotch protected in case the plans gets hot. Space Marines might be superhuman, but I reckon a kick in the balls is still a kick in the balls.

As for the plans gun, I like them with the tiny hole, but recently feel in love with a big hole with OSL effect inside. I'm torn on what to do for my next guns.

>>49925995
CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!

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>>49926080
Yes indeed, that's the reason. MkV overused studds because it had to, but they were already a thing with a defined purpose.
>>49926107
>GAPING BARREL, STUDDED CROTCH

>>49925843
>Not a contradiction.

Except it's got nothing to do with the prototype (which didn't even exist in old fluff). In both cases the (proper) MkVI entered service as Mars fell, but in the old fluff it's implied that Mars fell when Horus was plowing through Sol while in the new Mars fell right at the beginning of the Heresy. So, you know, there's just the discrepancy of the entire length of the Horus Heresy.

Were there any genestealer cult activity at this point in the setting?

Just wondering. I suspect the answer is no.

>>49926131
>MkV overused studds because it had to, but they were already a thing with a defined purpose.

Sure. Just that not all MkV did use studs, since if more advanced materials were available, they could be used and there would have not been need for slapping on extra plates. According to the old fluff, that is.

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>>49926157
Genestealers are Tyranids anon. They aren't here yet.
>>49926159
We need more production MkV pics

>>49926176
But weren't genestealers discovered in Ymgarl?

>>49926157
>Were there any genestealer cult activity at this point in the setting?

Its never been stated if Im not mistaken but its perfectly possible for there to be genestealers running around the galaxy, these ARE the vanguard of the Hive Fleets after all. I wouldnt be surprised if entire planets were working societies that venerated the Tyranids, a genestealer cult that has taken over their planet and now just wait for the Fleets before they were conquered by the Imperium.

Just use Imperial Cults/Militia list, you can even have your infantry rend shit.

>>49926157
There's no stories about them yet, and tyranids only just noticed our galaxy in pharos, so I'm going to say no

>>49926189
And Zoats were still a thing?

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>>49926189
That's crazy talk, anon.

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>>49926254
I bet that statement is based on the fact the Nids want nothing to do with genetic dead ends.

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>>49926254
>THAT'S WHAT A FUCKING TYRANID WOULD SAY
>t. Magos Locard

>>49925381
For 30k you could say the inhabitant was Terran.

>>49926251
I'd like to believe that anything from the RT era could be squeezed into HH / Great Crusade games somehow. Seems fitting. Homebrew that shit.

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>mastodon rolls up on you
>prepare your plasma guns for the termie wave about to hit
>4 fucking cortus pile out

>>49926268
No, it was 3e or 4e 'Nid codex where Locard is speculating about Catachan Devils and such being possible ancient hive fleet remnants.

>>49926251
Zoats were references to, as I remember, M36 hive fleet colossus, which is said to contain centauroid creatures. So not really HH.

>>49926320
>>49926302
Alpharius, Omegon, only one of you needs to post.

>>49926131
DON'T MAKE ME! I already have a huge backlog and going back to stud, drill and repaint would slow me even more. It would, (or rather will) look great tho...

Why is Captcha showing me pictures of places I've recently been to? First, street signs not only of my home town, but my neighborhood, and just now of a small village in South France I just visited two weeks ago... This feels shady.

>>49926342
Spooky.

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>>49926320
Funny that you mention them.
>>49926347
It's a sign. You must studd that crotch, you must drill that barrel.

>>49926302
I think the aquatic life on Fenris is attributed to that train of thought as well.

Would it be more effective to take 10 pyroclasts in a triple lascannon Proteus or five firedrakes in a Phobos?

>>49926514
I guess that depends on what you plan to do with them and what the rest of you list is. Very different roles they fill

So, how fluffy are Dark Angels breachers?

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>>49926632
This was posted couple days ago. They're the first legion, so they did everything at some point

>>49926542
I've got some Vindicators, two mk3 tacs in rhinos i had mk3 before it was cool, a firedrake and praetor beatstick in a counts-as spartan proxied as a LR, and have ordered a Xiphon and a Kharybdis. Basically, should i add more firedrakes, which are proven to be amazing, or are pyroclasts actually good at something, since i can't really see a niche for them outside of sitting in a terminator's face and melting him before charging the remnants and hoping to get lucky (3" melta will get you in the explosion if you hit a vehicle)

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>>49926632
>MkIII anything
Does it matter? :^)
The First probably invented the concept of Breachers anyway

>>49926687
Seconds after posting this image and looking at their armours I realize I've been blinded by those checker patterns.
You see! Paint stuff right and nobody will give a fuck!

>>49925968
With paints and brushes, like a savage.

>>49925976
Thousand Sons get their 30k rules when FW finally releases Inferno. Which could take any length of time at this point

>>49926313
But plasma still does something, it is Str 7. My squad of plasma toting nutjobs have glanced a fair number of contemptors into molten slag.

>>49926663
They're a good at killing TEQ, dreads and light tanks, with their Melta. Then can hurt blobs with a ton of flamers so they're multi role. Fire drakes are amazing, but a bunch is overkill, when you could just run more regular termies.

Getting Pyroclasts would be my move if you have Firedrakes. Variety is nice

>>49926632
Dark Angels used to be the only space marines for a while, and for that reason had everything and did everything.
Besides, do you even need a reason for breachers ? I play Alpha Legion but still ordered BoP to make a breacher squad, despite there being nothing sneaky about blast-door sized shields.

>then again infiltrating spartans are also a thing.

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>>49926703
>But plasma still does something, it is Str 7
>tfw the chance of self harm is 1.5 times the chance of hurting the dread
You must know when to quit, anon. Do your mathhammers.

>>49926742
The only thing they didn't do first were Seeker squads, invented by the AL, then """perfected""" into currently-obsolete Headhunters.
>tfw sleepy time gets near and you don't have a combi-bolter plushie to hug.

>>49926719
I've already got all of the roles they cover dealt with decently well i feel, and while the models look great, i just get the feel that they don't fit with my dudes. Once i have my xiphon and claw set up, ill proxy them for a few games to see how i like them, but i'm leaning towards more firedrakes, since the models are pure sex.

>>49926753
But at least it does something, and my plasmagun unit has done some amazing things (ranging from annihilating various enemy units in a single volley to annihilating nothing but themselves) All that bolter fags can do is run away like little girls and hope the big bad machines don't catch them.

Besides, all my sergants always have meltabombs. Be prepared and all that.

>>49926802
Fair enough man. Firedrakes are pure sex so I can't blame you. I still need more Immortals though they've become costly. Those models

If I put Tartaros terminators in a dreadclaw should I give them combi weapons, power fists, or both?

>>49926849
You could get out, shoot and charge theoretically so. I plan on that with a SoH Tartaros squad

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>>49926860
My big problem is deciding whether to put my red Butchers or my Tartaros with Kharn and Gahlan. 4+ FNP Butchers is crazy, but cataphractii can't sweep so they'd be holding Kharn back a bit.

>>49926915
The butchers could very well be sturdy on their own. Use the fnp to buff the 5++ of Tataros and maintain sweep potential. Khsrn + butchers is a nasty target I'd get rid of before I'd care about the Tartaros, so splitting can help. Still try both ways of course

>>49926915
When 5 Butchers can kill 7 Cataphractii termies, or 15 marines, and then you add Kharn, do you really need to sweep?
The Cataphractii were just for a comparison, do not engage anything with a powerfist!

>>49926915
You can always do the old trick of detaching the independent character from the terminators before charging in seperately. Don't do it when it's a high risk charge though (long charge distance, terrain, etc)

>>49925781
RG in BL land get MKVI Covus in Deliverance Lost it was prototype and limited numbers.

But in book 3 >>49925879 happens.

So there's two origins.

Pick whatever version you like because FW, GW, and BL will never line up. I personally usually go with the FW books as BL takes too many liberties. And the only thing GW proper has on FW is slightly better rules language. Which is saying a lot.

So do what you want.

>>49926915
I've often found that just sticking the Red Butchers on their own is the best course of action. They ride around in their own Land Raider and take out priority targets while my HQ's and value units go objective hunting. As >>49926971 said, Butchers are very sturdy on their own.

>>49926971
this is such a great point, holy shit. if I have kharn and my butchers in my stormlord there is no way I can make an opponent split up their fire. that would be target #1 no matter what. but if I had red butchers deep striking in turn one behind enemy lines that might make any player nervous. fearless means they won't get pinned even if their assault vehicle blows up.

>>49927156
Yeah good call for butchers. I try to divide up my threats, not all my eggs in one basket approach. Then I can use multiple units to get the job done. More often than not, I have Ferrus and his command retinue plus a couple dreads gang up on my opponents death star. Not much can deal with that much S10 and AV13 once bombs or fists are killed off

>>49927205
>ferrus
>retinue
>couple dreads
jesus christ anon, what kind of points level do you play at?

>siege breaker
>art of destruction
>only effects infantry
Well there goes that multimelta jetbike idea i've been distracted by all day at work

>>49927295
2500+ usually. The retinue is a min termie command squad. The contemptors are just Kheres and chain fist. Them all together end up being super durable with Head of the Gorgon as well

>>49927340
That sounds fucking nasty. I've wanted to see just how powerful a Gorgon list can be made with that combo ever since anon posted about the knight-beating list full of Cortus dreads. Maybe Ferrus and co, three cheap tacticals, a bunch of cortus dreads and a full Malcador squadron piloted by Orth. Now i have to theorycraft a list

>>49927393
New thread. Don't listen to anyone who might be a Nid. I am exempt from this as have you ever seen a Nid bake bread? Of course you haven't. >>49927393

>>49927384
I fight Lorgar and Morty somewhat regularly and it's a pain for then if I can get just a couple of them into combat. I just love the durability the IH have sometimes it's crazy. Running Cortus dreads in a Bitter Iron list is pretty fun with hatred and rage.

>>49927337
SBs only do good in a Heavy Support squad, and even then a MoS could do a better job.

>>49918010

So. My mate and I have reached a conundrum.

Can Tahgmata Omnissiah, Ordo Reductor, and Legio Cybernetica army lists take an allied knight detachment?

All four of the armies are separate army lists with unique units and everything.

Questoris Knights are their own army list, and even in a separate book.

But in their respective books, there is a little tagline.
In The Tahgmata Army List:
>'The 'Mechanicum' entry on the Allies Chart includes the Taghmata Omnissiah army list as well as its variants.'

And in the Questoris Knight Crusade Army list is the following:
>When using the Allies in the Age of Darkness chat (see page 253), the Questoris Knight Crusade army uses the 'Mechanicum' line on the chart for determining any relationship of alliance.'

So since there is no self allying in 30k, does this mean that unless you take a knight as a LOW or with archmagos Drakyvac, you can never have automata and knights in the same list?

Or if you can ally with Questoris Army list, does this mean I can take a Legio Cybernetica Army with an allied Reductor detatchment? Since all 3 are seperate army lists.

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Finally got BaC, Prospero in a couple weeks from my LGS. Can't decide on a scheme, though.

Which Legion is most Scottish, /tg/?