Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>49908478
First for Custodes are shit.

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Iron Within, Iron Without

>>49908344
>First off, something must have more than 1 wound for concussive to be usefull. Then it must also not be a vehicle. And also not get instagibbed by Str 8. Or killed after being wounded by it. And Also fail a save. And also have a high initiative to begin with. And also not kill the dude with the TH before he gets to swing ... are you seeing where I'm getting at ? There are way to many conditions which must be met before Concussive does anything.
So, hot Jetbike on Jetbike Praetor action? Well that explains it, few people have jetbikes.

All in all, I'm pretty disappointed with the Primarch models so far. Maybe I expect too much, but the modelling on their faces is just terrible.

Some of these guys are supposed to be panty dropping beautiful, and they all look like senior citizen body builders. Lorgar is supposed to be the spitting image of the Emperor (baldness aside), and he looks like someone who is angry that the shuffleboard court is full.

Curse of Tennessee?

>>49908565
That's why I gave Corax a helmet.

>>49908567
The curse is living there :^)

>>49908592
And now he looks like he's got a tiny head.

>>49908567
I went there once, learned the true nature of trees, and got sick. My dad just came back there and he's sick. Maybe it's just Piegon Forge that's evil.

anyone here use the kharn model from FW? I got mine in the mail today and I just realized it's made for the tiny manlet marine base and not the newer larger sizes. should I try to convert him up to the new standard or have him be the only marine on a tiny base in my whole army?

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>>49908622
The name Pigeon Forge is a dead giveaway to a Daemonic Forge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcRU0Op5P4

>>49908552
If the opponent Praetor on bike has a paragon blade and rolls a 6 yours is in serious trouble though.

Also Iron Bullock jetbikes when D:

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>>49908620
His head is the exact same size as a normal marine head. His hair and slightly lowered jaw make it look bigger.

So the helmet fits just fine.

>>49908670
There was a surprising lack of mini Hellturkies for some reason.

>>49908565
>expecting fatmarchs to look good
even the ones with decent sculpts look ridiculous among tabletop armies

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>>49908673
>Laughs in Mantle of the Elder Drake & Josh with Mastercrafted Thunderhammer, mounted on a Jetbike
>>49908682
Be forever vigilant, breadbro. Keep all those eyes of yours open.

>>49908777
Eyes for days, Nurgle. So many eyes.

>>49908622
Is Tennessee related to Caliban?

>>49908524
>not using Custodes because this is a historical wargame and WAAC faggotry doesn't belong here

>>49908953
>not using traitor Custodes

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>>49908953
You silly anon, everyone knows everyone builds their armies out of the most powerful units, shoved together without any regard to fluff.

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>>49909054

This is the 30k General...

>>49908670
Stupid question, but where's this image from? Looks metal as hell.

>>49909092
Yeah, I know, just thought others might be amused by the sort of attitude that makes 40k such a clusterfuck nowadays.

>>49909114
requiem vampire knight

it's ridiculous

Never did get a reply. Can Apothecaries join Mauraders?

>>49909139

I think about half of people here are here because they are sick of that attitude in 40k General, myself included.

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>>49909054
Wulfen > Custodes

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>>49909176
Yes, they changed them in the latest black book.

>>49909054
40K is now for people who want to powergame, but lack the intelligence to be able to abuse a properly built game.

>>49909210
Cool, thinking of a void pirate sort of deep strike heavy blackshield list. I like the idea of renegade but not chaos astartes.

>>49908863
Don't be silly, we all know Caliban is fantasy Australia.

From what you've said I'm thinking Tennessee is some kind of Nurglite Daemon World.

Can someone mathhammer Fulgrim vs Leman, preferably with aspects like assault bonuses, and Fulgrim with or without Child of Terra Warlord trait (yes, Fulgrim may have warlord traits), and wolfkid useing sword or Axe (axe is objectively better agains fulgrim)

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And another one.

>>49909407
Fireblade or Laer?

>>49909054
Almost as disgusting as those lists that use riptides and wraithknights with imperial shit thrown in. At least the cheese in 30k is also a bit fluffy.

>>49909407
Is there even a point to doing that considering Russ only has the most placeholder of placeholder rules ?

>Legendary flask of the everflowing fountain of life -standard issue canteen-
kek

>>49908863
In a way yes. Might be doing some writefaggotry about some Dangles bringing the Imperial Truth to the South in Space, but it will probably end up as the Evil Dead in space.

don't hate me HHG...I'm committing armor mark heresy right now and mixing berserkers with mark 4 armor. will post results later.

>>49908594
>>49908622
As the guy you are quoting and an unfortunate resident of said accursed state, you guys are 100% right.

>>49909149
And that's what makes it look awesome. Thanks!

>>49909552
There's nothing wrong with that. If I played this game, the armor mixing would kill half of everyone here. Mk5 helmets, mk2 left arms/legs, mk6 right arms/legs, mk3 crotch, and a mk4 backpack.
>>49909568
Thanks for reassuring me, Tennessee Man.

>>49909623
>mk3 crotch
SURELY YOU MEAN MKV CROTCH OF STUDNESS

>>49909634
I can't. I would have used the mk5 helmet, and I like the mental image of the hypothetical abomination.

>>49909690
You're more evil than all of Tennessee's trees put together into a SW wooden shield...

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>>49909724
That's a bit extreme. I now need a moment to rethink about this.

Finally have that list made up and saved to my PC

>Inb4 TL:DR
It's 5 main infantry units, with most of the armor being scaled along with those 5 units, with the non scaled units being used as either flanking units or for special threats. One Infantry Battalion is in Mastadons and Achilles for a quick siege style of attack.
I /HAD/ all the vehicles listed, but my computer ate it. So this is a 1/?

1,000-ish marine split

Infantry
600 standard bolter marines.
30x 20 man squads.
150 tactical support marines
30x 5 man squads
30 apothecaries
1x per tactical squad
75 heavy support marines
15x 5 man squads
75 terminators
15x 5 man squads
40x assault marines
2x 20 man squads
25 command marines
5x 5 man command squads
5 Preators

>>49909811
madness

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>>49909811
What the literal fuck am I looking at

>>49909811
You DO realize how much all of that resin is going to cost you, right?

>>49909811
Reconsider. Please.

>>49909811
Post an example of your painting please

>>49909811
30 fucking apothecaries..

>>49909811
See this is why the mentally disabled should not be given a chance to win the lottery. Because this happens when they do.

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>>49909811
Absolute madness, I'd die of bored just having more than 100 marines and Im a bit worried that I'll have more than 200 marines after I buy 2 or more BoP throughout the course of next year.

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>>49909811
Ye gods...

>>49909811
You do realize that Praetors are 30k Chapter masters, right? Should be 1 Praetor per chapter/whatever your legion calls them.

>>49910037
Given that he's going with that many marines, that might be multiple chapters.

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>>49909878
The mass numbers, I will explain the five units shortly
>>49909957
no
>>49909979
attatched is a quick model I made for a Plasma glow effect.
>>49909983
Yuuuup, one per 20 man Tac squad
>>49909987
Nah I just have depression, ADHD, and flip cars for fun.
>>49910003
I am gonna have like 350 when I get the boxes from Prospero in.
>>49910037
Yeah, well, this obviously isn't fluffy is it? I dunno, I like the name more than centurians and if I ever field a list from this unit, it will be Preators.

>>49910087
Wait, what legion is this

Okay, so here is how one 'company' would be split up.

6x20 man tac squad
1x Apoth each
6x5 man tac support squad

3x5 man Heavy Support squad

3x5 man terminator squads

1x5 man command squad

1 company leader (I guess I won't call them Preators, I can think of something else)

NO Assault marines. They would act as their own independent force, akin to a quick reaction team, or the other half of a pincer movement.

>>49910114
I am painting them as Space Wolves. The model wasn't finished, I don't it is now either.

Hey guys, I'm doing Word Bearers but I'm thinking of startinh another legion due to the amount of legionaires I'm going to have. I already own BaC and plan on getting BoP besides the other marks. What legion should I go with? Both traitor and loyalist are fine.

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>>49910087
Is this how it feels?

>>49910087
If you're buying all of this, spend the majority of the money on something else instead. We've all got some sort of problem seeing as we post on a Necromundan toy soldier collecting board, but your need for both attention and possessions and the rush from spending money on shite for yourself is actually in the unhealthy.

If you're just theory crafting, apologies for presuming you had more money than sense and very little self-esteem.

>>49910087
Well yeah, but a single Praetor and his Centurions make a lot more sense.

Forge Lord, Champion, Herald, etc.

>>49910165
You could do Ultramarines and have a Calth theme.

Or you could do another traitor legion or one of the shattered legions for an Istvaan V theme. Or something. I dunno.

Sons of Horus if you ever want to run allies?

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>>49910165
This should help. Or use the tried-and-true method of dubs

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test model for the 20 inductii I'm making for my world eaters army. mixed some mark 4 and whatever was in the berzerker box, avoiding all khorne symbols. should I use the berzerker backpacks because they're awesome, or should I just use mark 4 ones to keep at least slightly kosher?

>>49910227
DA were black in the heresy...

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>>49910151
Each Tac squad would have an Apothecary, and a tac support squad to tag along as a 'platoon' like element.
When two get together, and additional two units are added- one Terminator unit, one Heavy support.
There are three of these in a company so you can have multi-directional attacks and counter attacks with the same force, and is generally the level medium to heavy armor and support starts to come into play.

>>49910170
Lol'd, yes it kinda is but I know I am not buying all of these models at once, this is like over a ten year period, I just pre-purchased four of the Prospero kits because I can sell the models I don't want to recoup like 55% of my costs.
>>49910189
Theory crafting. Long term hobby goals. I do have more money than sense, but I am spending it on restoring a car.
>>49910194
I will probably go with something simple, like Jarl and Shield-captain. Give each 36 man 'platoon' a slightly different shield pattern for their left knee insignia.


This is my current Preator model.

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>>49910114
Better picture of the model.

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>>49910271
Image isn't mine.

Also
>DA

>>49908537
Jagi is that you?

>>49908953
Newfag here, what is WAAC?

>>49910330
win at all costs

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>>49910239
>avoiding all khorne symbols
the chestpieces are perfectly legit, just shave the symbol off of the belt buckle

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>>49908524

>>49910330
WAAC stands for Win At All Costs. It's basically what it sounds like: the mentality of the annoying powergamer. If you're familiar with MtG you may know this person as a "Spike"

>>49910368
Oh, thanks. Sounds like a real shitter. I haven't ever done any kind of modelling or wargames before, but I really like the lore in 30/40k, so it sounds like I would want to avoid those guys.

Incidentally, what models/armies lend themselves to learning to put models together and paint them?

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Nearly finished with these assholes.

>>49910464
>FW MkIII with shoulder-fired lascannons
HNNNG.

I think I might make Havocs with these instead of autocannons just for the looks. Even if it does double the cost of the unit retardedly. Being able to erase marines is nice too though.

FW, plz give me Havoc models. My autism demands I have the official ones before doing anything.

>>49910274
I also bought multiple boxes just because of value. I have spent way to much on forge worlde but am to intimidated to even touch

>>49910360
Damn that's a good idea. I'll try it out. Settled on the mk4 backpack and I'm liking how this budget berserker came out. I'll make more tomorrow.

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>>49910522
Pic related

>>49910537
KA?

>>49910464
He looks fucking sweet.
Also considering how large "modern" lascannon power packs are how many shots do you think this guy would have?

>>49910464
Why are there so many DGfags on /hhg/?

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>>49910555
Did you recognize my soft hands

Somebody in the last thread asked me how large WS forces get, so I'll answer if anons still awake

I mainly play at 2500pts, where I have 3 5 man biker squads, a 5 man jetbike squad, a recon squad, a 10 man tactical squad with a rhino, a ten man vet squad in a storm eagle, a 10 man seeker squad in a rhino, and usually a sprinkling of either a laser vindicator, a couple of javelins or sometimes another recon squad.

So I feel like I'm quite heavy on bodies for a WS army, but nearly everything has a way of getting around the board quick if need be.

>>49910575
I feel like the legs arms and head make it look more like a khorne berzerker rather than a legionary.

I think I'll be wrong once it's painted up though

>>49910575
Not him, but I knew you were KA the whole time.

Also, didn't you say that you weren't going to do this?

>>49910566
If anything the DG represent the sins of the father type shit as much as the World Eaters. The eaters had the nails implanted, but it wasnt til a warp storm and Nurgle and shit that they were full evil

>>49910566
It balances out the IWfags.
>>49910575
No. I barely recalled you starting WEs.

Is it viable to have a Praetor with a Jump Pack, Bike or Jetbike flying around solo? I want a choppy and fast HQ but it's so expensive to give him a retinue, both in terms of points and money.

>>49910598
I won't be doing this for veterans. My veterans are going to be mark 3 with FW heads. I just wanted savage looking inductii without buying Forgeworld assault marines.

>>49910227
someone post the better /tg/ made one, I lost my old hard drive with it on

>>49910566
>>49910621
Jesus Christ.
"Why so many IWfags"
"Why so many DGfags"
"Shh, nobody say anything about the ALfags"
You guys protest for everything! Also, That DG is productive-NLfag's marine for his DG-NL joing Poison ship army
>>49910607
It's impossible to not recognize him. But that's nice :)
>>49910575
Either those pics make your fingers look wide or mine are too thin and long.

>>49910633
Seriously man, what you could've done was just buy a couple of the BoP boxes, FW chainaxes, gave your vets the FW heads painted brass, and your regular dudes the regular heads.

Probably would have been cheaper, honestly, since you could've sold any unwanted models and/or bits.

>>49910633
Fair enough, are you going classic blue and white or retribution style red and white

Also when did you start doing WE KA last I remembered you were doing silver IF with like 3 knights

>>49910687
He said he'd be a good boy and follow Saint Duncan's tutorial to the letter.

>>49910667
Nobody ever says anything about all the ALfags cause most people here are ALfags

Still waiting for the day I see a fully painted up sallies army, them boys are rare AF

>>49910687
He changed several threads ago. He has posted his list several times, correcting it and stuff.

>>49910667
But really, though, what is it /hhg/ finds so appealing about the meatgrinder legions? I legit want to know.

>Also, That DG is productive-NLfag's marine for his DG-NL joing Poison ship army
I approve.

>>49910687
I finished my IF, they're at a healthy 2000-2500 points and I don't feel like getting anything else for them. thought I'd start a new army with the prospero box so the past month I've been collecting world eaters stuff, already planned a 2500 point crimson path list that I'm working towards.

Also the knights were a mistake. they look cool on my shelf though.

>>49910087
>That shitty base, wash and base again paintjob
>Mold lines in backpack
>half finished weapon
>no basing
>all that x1000

Just kill me, this is what pain feels like.

>>49910718
For me, the IW appeal to a lot of things I like.

Grimdark, check.
Cool looking, check.
WWI Space Marines, check.
Not total retards, check.
Do their job without complaining, even if they don't like it, check.
Screw around the Word Bearers, check.
Not like Chaos, check.
Screw it, just bombard it with artillery. Check.
Fight all the toughest of enemies, check.

>>49910720
Fair enough, did you go for silver and yellow in the end? I remember there was a time when you were knocking about with the templar cheme

I remember the day you first came to us as you we're having trouble with your yellow primer spray and everyone was like "jesus fuck this guy has three knights". Ah, it feels like so long ago now

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>>49910705
Now with BoP's release, that day may be closer than we think.
>Pic related
Although they have been able to do it since BaP's, but maybe they didn't want MkIV Sallies.
>>49910718
>what is it /hhg/ finds so appealing about the meatgrinder legions?
The meatgrinder changes you. It consumes you, and you never really survive it. Not wholly. There's no place in there for arts, hubris, glory, knowledge, only ugly war and unmeasured brutality.
But what I especially like about the Meatgrinder is the marines themselves: they don't care about anything else other than the promise of destruction
>DG
Wear battle damage as a badge of honour, showing they survived where others didn't
>IW
Utterly remorseless, willing to spend themselves as ammunition to bring the enemy down
>WE
Can even shrug off wounds to deliver that chainaxe to your face

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Well, my dad now has to go to the hospital. Thanks, Tennessee. Spiidesh, don't throw any curve balls at him.

>>49910767
>not total retards

Which legion are you looking at when you say "Iron Warriors"

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>>49910767
And let's not forget HAZARD STRIPES.

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>>49910705
I meant this pic related. Plenty of MkIV Sallies

>>49910629
No, if you give him any of those then take a unit to be that dude's bodyguard, it doesnt have to be a command squad.

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>>49908478
What is the best way to incorporate cat tats into my Raven Guard?

>>49910895
That RG looks seriously THICC

>>49910895
Counts-as Corax

>>49910895
I thought Tamo's a fox.

>>49910843
I need more images like this for research purposes.

>>49910915
I thought the exact same thing...

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>>49910811
yeah I ended up giving them a pre-heresy scheme that actually looks like iron warriors, which is why my world eaters are going to be painted by the book.

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>>49910932
She's many things.

>>49910961
Why does everyone put the sponsons on the back instead of the front like they should?

>>49910239
That looks way better than I expected, just keep up the proper posing and avoid the legs that look like they're doing yoga

>>49910961
I think it looks nice, the metal seems shinier than IW and the yellow looks very IF-y

However undrilled barrels is not acceptable, soooooo you suck start again.

>>49909811
I was the one who told you to save it to this thread and I don't regret it one bit. Enjoy your wave of (You)s, they'll last a while.

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>>49911009
>should

>>49910830
EC are honour roll students and in all the school clubs
IW finished college, command staff also has a PhD
SW somehow hasn't gotten expelled, keeps partying
WS studied abroad, is in who knows what club
IF did regular career
NL got the school of life as successful murderhobos
BA - help me on the chads
IH doesn't have time for partying, school is first
WE is going to get expelled for fighting
UM are on the honour roll too, he spends time lecturing others
DG only the principal's children and the murderhobos like these guys. They're the odd one outs. Fucking hate those TS turbonerds.
TS has two PhDs, but has some shady friends
SoH are the principal's children, but don't need his help. Has some shady friends now
WB are secret narcs
Sal are topscore on the metallurgy class, spends much time there but are good bros
RG are the quiet ones, also secretly in the poetry club
AL - I swear I've never seen them assist to class but they get good notes?

>>49911009
back in 3rd/4th ed when I started I always saw sponsons in the back, woops.

>>49911020
thanks man. I'm gonna be using all of the berserker running legs I can, and the more "dynamic" plastic mk4 ones to fill out the last few.

>>49911029
:)

:(

>>49911046
I think there's suppose to be a higher res pic of this.

>>49910734
I bought it off of eBay, I stripped it and saved it from a shitty AL paintjob.
It's far from done, it was just a test model for the plasma effect.
>I never sprayed it then washed it for a game.
>Those are cuts into the plastic
>Plasma effect is good though
>Not finished model, plus none of my models have basing
>All of this = get fucked cunt


>>49911040
Thanks.

>>49911049
NL are that goth kid everyone thinks is gonna shoot up the school.

>>49910895
I see the bitter boxman!
>>49910961
Could I see a pic of your Rhino's side?

>>49911064
Meh, I see it from a logical standpoint. If you're going to get out of your metal box, you don't want the guns pointed at you, and you do want to be behind the guns for cover/cover fire. Y'know what I mean? Sort of like how the Taurox has retarded doors.

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>>49911112
I have seen him do nasty things to animals
>>49911138
>You see Ivan, if you place door in front of barrel you will do the exits much faster for fear of friendly fire.
LRs with doors in front of Lascanons gain Assault vehicle, regardless of the LR's model

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>>49909054
Disgusting.

>>49910880
I'm not just talking about a Command Squad, 30ppm or 35ppm for Outriders or Jetbikes for what's essentially 2 WS4 S4 attacks in close combat feels awful, they'd just be ablative wounds at that point.

Assault Marines would be pretty good but £70 for a minimum sized unit without any Legion shoulder pads, power weapons, sergeant bits etc. is absurd.

>>49911094
probably, but I don't care enough to find it

>>49911181
I dont think this game is for you.

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>>49910680
Neither BaC nor BoP have nearly enough arms made for bolt pistols and close combat weapons, so he couldn't "just" combine those with FW chainaxes.

>>49911227
>>49910680
exactly. yeah that was an option but I would've had to "mag-lock" almost every single marine's chainaxe to his waist. which is pretty lame. at least this way my inductii look savage while the marksmen veterans will look like...well, marksmen.

>>49910961
>>49911213
Beautiful Night Lords. Shame they're allied with such a shit legion.

>>49911227
Just cut bellow the should and above the bicep and rotate out. On the left arms ciut out the hand. Then you could just slap on the chain axes.

>>49911297
stay in your lane and keep posting anime pictures sporadically.

>>49911297
They're the enemy, numbnuts

>>49908524
40k rules in my HHG....

>>49909444
NICE. 10/10 would get chem'd

>>49911356
Blame GW. Rumour says the HH rules are even worse.

>>49911199
Considering how fast GW are releasing plastic kits for 30k, I'm better off painting what I already have and there'll be plastic Assault Marines before I'm done. Buying resin versions of troops choices just seems stupid unless you're impatient.

>>49911327
They're reaction images you massive fucking newfag

>>49911384
I feel like they're gonna screw up MkII like how they screwed up MkIII.

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>>49910951
Images like how. Holy shit my internet sure is shitty

>>49911378
rumor says plastic thunder-hawk too

>>49911316
The left arms' wrist guards point straight down as if they're holding a bolter, so unless you want weapons held sideways or wrist guards below the their hands, you're going to have to do some major reworks.

>>49911399
I wasn't here when BoP got proper images shown, what's wrong with the plastic MkIII?

>>49911469
If you want to keep the wristguards on the MKIV cut below the elbow. If not, do a straight chop. For MKIII cut th ehand away and file.

Either way it's not hard.

>>49911490
The helmets look odd to me. There's nothing specifically wrong with them, but unlike the FW ones, the eyelenses on the plastic MkIII helms aren't sunken back like the resin ones, and it looks weird to me.

Plastic MkIV > Resin MkIV
Resin MkIII >Plastic MkIII

Though, the resin MkIV helmets look cooler though, especialy the cone looking one.

>>49911490
Nothing. The eyes aren't sunken like the resin ones, which looks wrong to me, seeing as MkIII is MkII with armor bolted on, which would make sense that the eyes are sunken in, rather than pronounced.

>>49911009
Under the old disembarkation rules all models needed to be within 2" of an access point and having the sponsons in the front gave you the problem of fucking up coherency or losing your charge.

>>49911049
DA don't go to school anymore because they're too old for that shit.

Why, while you whippersnappers were still learning how to spell your name, The First were being trained to conquer the galaxy!

>>49911580
...I think those rules are still valid?

>>49910667
>Also, That DG is productive-NLfag's marine for his DG-NL joing Poison ship army
The lascannon one? No it's not.

>>49911436
Like this one, yes.

I need those FW Marine references for my heresy Legions diorama[/Spoiler]

Any more?

>>49911580
Those were the days. Where having terminator bases could mean being unable to disembark from a single hatch, specially with a loaded LR Crusader.

>>49911611
Shame you couldn't even conquer your legion's loyalty. :^)

>>49911619
I thought you just made a normal move out of your transport these days?

If not, that's how it should work, it's far simpler.

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>>49911611
When the DA attended school they didn't have those fancy computer labs
They had abacus. An abacus and an eraser. And we had to share the eraser.
>>49911632
Oh
>>49911633
'Ere you go m8

>>49910087
>Nah I just have depression, ADHD, and flip cars for fun.

I also got that and play Space Wolves. Is there a connection?

>>49911619
>>49911644
The rules as they are now are that you place the models, one at a time, with the base touching the hatch and then move them up to 6'' from the hatch. Difficult terrain can reduce that distance, but in effect you can still disemark 6'' from the hatch if you roll a 5.

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>>49911633
Whoops, maybe that wasn't what you were looking for. How about this one.
>>49910827
BTW, sorry to hear that, man. I hope it's nothing serious and he recovers soon.

>>49910667
>>49910718

Nah, I'm a different DGfag. The Grave Wardens the the last couple of threads are productive NL guy's

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>>49911701
Are these your's? As well as the Warscythe Deathshrouds?

>>49910575

Enormous mold line right on top of the chainaxe.

>>49911213
What's with the fantasy models? No criticism, just curious.

>>49911640
What did you expect to happen after after they gave command of the Legion away to a bunch of backwoods hicks and their pet feral Lion-man?

>>49911721
Yep.

>>49911742
friend at the shop plays 40k chaos/night lords and usually I play against him. he uses a lot of proxies/conversions.

>10 Breachers from FW: £68 + shipping
>10 BoP MkIII + 10 Breacher shields from eBay: £41 + shipping

I fucking love plastic releases

>>49911667
I have no idea

>>49911699
It's probably just food poisoning. We're probably never going back to Piegon Forge.

>>49911701
So many DGfags. I can almost smell the Barbaran assfumes.

>>49911757
kek

>>49910437

Space Marines and Necrons.

If you are going to do a Horus Heresy list, remember:

1) only a few of the models are available in plastic, the rest are resin unless you do lots and lots of kitbashing

2) the models are more expensive in $$$ than 41st millennium era models are

3) Heresy era space marines mainly use marks 2 through 5 of armors, these are the ones you find in the Chaos Space Marine boxes and the actual horus heresy boxes, with only a few bits here and there in M41 era loyalist kits

4) Mark 6 (beakie) is only for specific loyalist chapters in the Heresy era, while Mark 7 is late war and the books haven't got there yet, and Mark 8 won't be invented for thousands of years

>>49911667
I need some seed cash cus I have the ADHD and depression...

>>49911831
Besides price, is there a significant difference between resin and plastic? I assume resin makes for better detail, since I'm pretty sure that is what I've heard Forge World is good for, but what about construction and painting?

>>49911867

Resin requires superglue.

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>>49911818
Still, hope he heals soon.
>>49911824
I berate at you twice. Can't you stand your only Sworn Brothers, Cfag? Konrad would powerslap that face of yours...but probably that's how you like it.
>>49911852
...seed cash?

>>49911867
Resin is less consistent than plastic. Models often need some fixing, like cutting away excess resin and filling up gaps with greenstuff up to sculpting on details yourself.

It also needs a good cleaning with soap before you do anything, more often than not the resin is still greasy from the molding process

>>49911875
What do you use for plastic if not superglue?
>>49911912
If resin requires that much work, is it actually even more detailed than plastic?

>>49911928
resin sucks 9 times out of 10

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>>49910895

>straight white on black

>>49911901
Death Guard are pretty cool. The smell is not.

>>49911950
Then why does Forge World use resin?

>>49911984
FW uses resin because it is, indeed, better for detail, and iirc cheaper.

>>49911928
It can be much more and finer detailed than plastic, because for resin somewhat flexible molds can be used, allowing for a lot more complicated stuff.

I got Armillus Dynat from FW, and the details like all the scales and such were just ... I get a nerdboner every time I think about what an amazing casts that model is.

>>49911901
Seed money. Money to use to buy shit to flip.

I'm saying I'm poor.

>>49911950
>resin
>hilariously bloated prices that give less profit margin than you think
>typos for days
>wildly inconsistent design process that sees rules and models not intersect for years (hey Dorn)
>what's order tracking
>chainaxes
Forge World is less a branch of a major game company than a collection of enthusiasts who somehow inherited a massive game infrastructure.

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>>49911962
I doubt Curze bathes either.

>>49911984

Plastic molds are machine tooled and cost a lot.
(a plastic injection mold can cost 20K +++ for just basic shapes. Details cost more since they are a pain to tool and smaller details are harder to machine)

Resin molds don't have to be made out of tool steel to withstand the injection molding process so they don't cost as much to produce and you don't have to pay for the injection molding equipment.

>Leman Russ got provisional rules online
We'll get them for Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the characters from BoP, right?

>>49911867
Resin
+possibility to have more physical depth in detail
+details can be smaller and have sharper edges
+three-dimensional details can be done without limitations
+(for manufacturers) cheaper to make small and/or sporadic batches
-a lot less sturdy
-less consistent with details
-potential imperfections such as miscasts, mold slips, air bubbles, warping etc.
-requires superglue
-sometimes requires pinning
-have to wash off release agent residue

Plastic
+very sturdy
+very consistent
+imperfections are close to non-existent
+can use plastic glue or superglue
+(for manufacturers) cheaper to mass reproduce
-limited depth in detail
-sprue positioning can cause weird details on z-axis, most prominently visible on MkIV's bonding studs where some of them are elongated

tl;dr resin is a bitch to work with and the inconsistency can make parts that should be consistent (e.g. most things on marines) look like shit, but the fine details have potential to be better

>>49912033
But he smells like the blood of the sinful. It is a delicious smell.

>>49912043

O sweet summer child...


(No, we won't. We will get Custodees and Sister rules in November WD.)

>>49912074
>Doesn't enjoy ze fumes
To each their own, I guess.

>>49912074
Or just like a murdering drug addict who hasn't washed since his parents threw him out of the house. Eye of the beholder and all that, or actually nose in this case.

>>49911996
>>49912011
>>49912034
>>49912066
Thanks for the information. Among the legions, which are easier to paint? I think Word Bearers and Night Lords are out due to all the details, as much as I think both are cool. Are Iron Hands reasonable?

>>49912109
Look, I'm the one who's had senpai inside my body before. I'd know better than you what he smells like.

>>49912167
None of them are truly 'easy' to paint due to all the little details and such.

The REAL question is which legion interests you the best. Then it's not a matter of 'Which is easiest?', but a matter of 'How can I improve?'

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>>49912180
And now the other namefags are gone and can't balance your yabbering. Double ugh.

>>49912167

Iron warriors without hazard stripes probably followed by iron hands

>>49912180
There are also people who get off by being farted on. I won't judge, but don't make sharing it with the world too much of a habit.

>>49912256
Maybe on /d/, though. Eldar aint got shit on /d/

>>49912167
Well most legions are pretty easy unless you go wild with upgrade sets and legion specific units. But light colours are not easy to do well, and red can also be a bit troublesome.

The black legions are probably the most easy, just undercoat it black, metally bits, mabybe chapter transfers and you;re done.

>>49912213
I think the Gal Vorbak models and concept fucking rule, but Lorgar is a shitter. I'm reading the Night Lords trilogy now and I really like them even if they seem kind of weak. I'm a big fan of the AdMech and human augmentation in general, so the Iron Hands appeal to me. The simplicity and the color scheme of the World Eaters are also cool.
If I was going to do 40k, I'd probably go with the Blood Angels or a BA successor chapter. The Space Sharks seem cool, too. From what I've read up on them, they are probably a Raven Guard successor, but I like the idea of loyalist Night Lords or World Eaters successors.

>>49912240
But are they really gone?

>>49912167
[Spoiler] metallic imperial fists.

>>49912283
But Eldar created the god of all fetishes with the naughty things they did. Being worse than that seems difficult to achieve, or slaanesh needs a retconn

>>49912353
Until M25 they did. I don't even want to think about it, anon.

>>49912353
You underestimate /d/'s power level.

I've played a lot of siege games now.
Thrown men at traps in order to trigger them prematurely
I have a dedicated corps of forlorn hopers
I see soldiers as arrow sponges now, whose main purpose is to be meatshields for the dedicated siege engines
Usually everyone dies. The defenders. My soldiers. Generally a single siege engine survives for cleanup duty. That's how victory is like.

I'm fucking shell shocked.
And I can't get enough.

I guess I'm an irredeemable IWfag
[Cries in Bitter]

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two walk on Cortus

>>49912180
Christ, how much resin did he leave behind?

>>49912066
>>49912167
Addendum to Resin: Wear a dust mask and work in a ventilated area. Can otherwise give you cancer.

>>49912167
Dark Angels and Raven Guard are pretty easy, however painting red/white on black can be a pain.

Space Wolves might actually be the easiest.

FWIW: Red and Yellow are generally seen as difficult colors.

>>49912315
Hmmm....

The Word Bearers are a pretty cool legion, and offer great detailing and free-handing due to their runes and such. The Gal Vorbak are really cool, and the Ashen Circle are awesome. The Mhara Gal has an awesome model but such horrible rules. Lorgar's a pretty cool dude, anon. He just wanted to expose his father as a liar, and he did.

The Night Lords aren't weak, and they have a pretty cool color scheme and nice rules as well, though I myself just don't really care for them. A bit too edgy for me, with Konrad "Children are tasty" Curze as their primarch.

The Iron Hands are cool dudes with some great rules and an awesome Primarch. Their unqiue tac squad from FW is awesome too, and it makes me unhappy that my legion doesn't have one. I'd say that they're ahead above the rest of the legions when it comes to FW's love for them.

The World Eaters are a brutal and vicious legion who have a wonderful color scheme, great rules, and a tragic story. Don't touch Rampagers though.

Blood Angels are great, and are pretty cool dudes. I like them, though they're mot for me.

The Space Sharks are absolutely brutal dudes, and are indeed the remnants of the Terran Raven Guard that Corax banished for being too brutal. In 30k, they're all but confirmed to be the Pale Nomads blackshields.

>>49913175
When sanding and filing definitely, but is it really necessary when scraping moldlines, cleaning off release agent and gluing?

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>Burning of Prospero delivering to US: $150 and free standard shipping.
>Burning of Prospero delivering to UK: £95 = $116 with free standard shipping.

What the hell? Even if I ordered it from the UK and paid for shipping to the US I don't think it would be anywhere near $150.

>>49913241
B R E X I T

>>49912610
Men do not relish the shield wall. They do not rush to death's embrace. You look ahead and see the overlapping shields, the helmets, the glint of axes and spears and swords, and you know you must go into the reach of those blades, into the place of death, and it takes time to summon the courage, to heat the blood, to let the madness overtake caution.

>>49913233
>not doing all these things at once

>>49913241
There's a British place on ebay offering it for ~$110 with shipping. Takes two weeks to get here, but not to shabby.

>>49913241
GW has always made it more expensive for USD.

>>49913263
No, even before brexit. It was slightly less noticeable difference, but still a difference.

>>49913217
If the Space Sharks are Raven Guard then why don't they have more beakies? And if they were banished before Istvaan, why do they have so much Mk V armor?

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>>49913175
Alternate:
At the victory celebration, find the bravest warrior of the day
Put a few THICCly painted minis in a blender, mix with some hard liquor
Drink The Cups™ with said brave one.

>>49913413
The Space Sharks were banished rather early, right after Corax was found, so they wouldn't have anything but MkII and III by the time they were banished. When the heresy broke out, however, they and other blackshields essentially became Space Marine pirates and raiders, chainaxe wielding Marauders who fought and looted. MkV was easy to repair and could use MkIV when possible, making it liked among chapters/whatever your legion called them/Blackshield Warbands who valued ease of repair over protection.

Are two squads of 20 breachers and 15 tactical marines too much for a 3,000 point list, or just enough?

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>>49910635
Here you go!

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That feel when you like the NL and want to start collecting but then people on /hhg/ think you're Curzefag :(

>>49913488
In a general list I'd probably take less breachers.

>>49913560
You poor child :'(

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>>49913316
Well, not always.

Make America Great Again.

>>49913566
I'm playing Stone Gauntlet though. Plus Breachers are my favorite in models and fluff.

>>49913649
oh in that case that's fine

Rather than tac squads I'd take support squads, then. 40 breachers means you don't really need more generic boltgunners.

>>49913560
That's OK, everyone knows Curzefag doesn't actually play.

>>49913709
Iirc, Curzefag actually has some NL she's painted. Don't think she's posted any.

So what point levels do people play here? And is it just zone mortalis?

>>49913810
2k to 3k usually. Depends on the mood or available time. The strategic raid missions make for a fun, quick afternoon game

>>49913810
I play at 2000 points more than I'd like. 3000 points seems like where it's at. My 4000 point game wasn't too much of a clusterfuck.

>>49913810
I try for 2.5k minimum. I don't go lower than 2k unless it's a raid or ZM.

>>49913841
>>49913991
>>49914083
Do you guys usually bring Primarchs?

Please help, I can't decide on a bodyguard unit for Fulgrim!

Fulgrim with Phoenix Terminators
+ fluffier choice, canon bodyguards
+ Spartan is a dedicated transport
+ Implacable Advance
+ better ablative wounds, quality over quantity (or both if you max them out)
- can only fit into a Spartan, Kharibdyss or Storm Eagle
- need a Primus Medicae for FNP
- useless against vehicles
- wet noodles when they don't charge

Fulgrim with Palatine Blades
+ cheaper bodyguards for a budget deathstar
+ can fit into a Phobos or Dreadclaw
+ can use a regular Apothecary for FNP
+ can handle vehicles with Charnabal Sabres and a Melta Bomb
+ can accept challenges to let Fulgrim focus on mooks or avoid harm
- only 3+ and no invuln, ablative wounds are quantity over quality but cap at 10 models
- literally raping the lore

It feels like I'm choosing between fluff or crunch and I can't make up my mind.

>>49914183
I did once at 2.5k. But it's Corax and he requires no additional points investment.

>>49914183
Playing IH, I only care for Ferrus in 2500+ games, although I've tried with and without him at all levels. I get tired of using primarchs below that and there's one DG in my meta that always needs Morty for some reason, even at 2k

>>49914184
Could run regular/command Taratros for more flexibility, but still more durability than Palatines. Keeps up with Fulgrim then too

Whats a better army to start with, Word bearers or white scars?

>>49914336
Do you plan to buy and paint a ton of resin bikes? Which to do you like more?

>>49914347
I too wish to go fast

I don't know if this is the right place or not, but is there anywhere I can read that book about girlyman here? I skimmed through the mega and couldn't find it. A friend said it was garbage,so I need to confirm.

>>49914379
There's a WS RoW for going fast and using bikes. Infantry also benefit and can work well as a mechanized force

>>49914336
are you capable of painting white

if yes, white scars
if no ,word bearers

Legio cybernestica is the best mechanicum

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Finished 4 kitbashed inductii tonight. Trying to make their poses not as ridiculous as the khorne berserker box is...not easy with my level of hobbying skill. Still I'm pretty excited with the result, 16 more to go and then I wait for my two Prospero boxes. It's like Christmas.

>>49908478
Do you guys think that custodes will have different 30k rules than their 40k counterparts?

How different?

Does anyone else think that the swords look retarded?

>>49914319
That's a decent option too, like a middle ground between low budget and quality ablative wounds, although they can't get Sonic Shriekers and the standard bearer gets kind of wasted.

>>49914927
They'll definitely have different rules. Their 40k ones seem incomplete. The swords look cool, but should either be AP2 or S+1.

>>49914931
Well is another bubble of fearless and +1 combat was so not total waste. I make use of a small command reunite very often

>>49908565
The only kinda bad model is Fulgrim cus of dat face. The rest are cool. I don't like Corax's pose, but it isn't a bad one. Lorgar, Kurze, and Angron are appropriate and pretty nice. The rest are shaggy2dope, Horus and Vulkan are my faves so far. I'm willing to bet Alpharius and Dorn will be the shit when they are released in 3 years.

>>49911699
Eaven for reference picture, anon made WE and IW smaller than the rest of marines. They are confirmed angry manlets

>>49912082
Just HH Custodes, no Sisters.
Also, Army of the Month is Blood Ravens, because 1k sons.

Which colour scheme besr fits the Thousand Sons, the mettalic or the matt one?

>>49914638

Word.

Did an Iron Hand list because I wondered how many tanks I would need to get termies to punch things to death.

+++ Just Lasscannons Bro (2493pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (2493pts) ++
+ HQ (310pts) +
Legion Centurion (130pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts)]
····May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: (45pts) [Primus Medicae (45pts)]

Legion Praetor (180pts) [Chainfist (15pts), Cyber-familiar (15pts), Digital Lasers (15pts), Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts)]
····Master of the Legion [The Head of the Gorgon]

+ Troops (270pts) +
Legion Tactical Squad (135pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (10pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (135pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (10pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts)]

+ Elites (1483pts) +
Apothecarion Detachment (55pts)
····Legion Apothecary (55pts) [Combi-weapon (10pts)]

Gorgon Terminator Squad (600pts) [4x Gorgon Terminator (140pts), 4x Power Fist (20pts)]
····Gorgon Hammerbearer (10pts) [Cyber-familiar (10pts)]
····Legion Spartan Assault Tank (370pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Armoured Encirclement, Blessed Autosimulacra, Flare Shield (45pts)]

Legion Terminator Squad (465pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), 4x Power Fist (20pts)]
····Legion Land Raider Phobos (260pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Armoured Encirclement, Blessed Autosimulacra, Multi-melta (15pts), 2x Twin-linked Lascannon]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant (10pts) [Chainfist (10pts)]

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (363pts) [8x Legion Veteran Space Marines (96pts), Marksmen]
····Legion Land Raider Proteus (215pts) [Armoured Encirclement, Blessed Autosimulacra, Multi-melta (15pts), Twin-linked Heavy Bolter (20pts)]

>>49915260
And

+ Heavy Support (430pts) +
Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (430pts)
····Leviathan Siege Dreadnought (430pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Grav-flux Bombard (20pts), Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod (100pts), Leviathan Siege Drill (5pts), Phosphex Discharger (15pts)]

The Apothecary goes with the vets, the Praetor and Medicae (In indomitus armor, but had to use cataphractii because Battlescribe) with the Gorgons. And the Leviathan is there because I love the model.

Besides the lack of AA. How well would this perform? Or rather: How fast would the termies get munched to death? I want to field this only to shove tanks in peoples faces and charge like a maniac.

>>49915260
>+ Troops (270pts) +
>+ Elites (1483pts) +

Maybe you should reconsider

>>49915373
This list is the result of bored mathhamering and hypothetical thinking. Of course it is a terrible idea, but it was never meant to be a good one right from the start.

Because I had a question I needed an answer for: Can I table my oponents by sheer terminator and land raider spam? (I already know I can't but since the thread is ded I might as well post it to see what happens)

What do you White Scars use for your Power-Halberds? And do they really have no special units?

>19 man tac squad with extra CCWs and a pimped out sarge + attached apothecary for ~350pts
>inside a storm eagle with TL MM, hellstrike missiles and ceramite for 265pts
>guaranteed turn 2 outflank through RoW
>if there are juicy targets near the table edge where you outflank, hover in and jump out on turn 2, shoot 40 bolters and PotMS 2 large blasts into infantry and MM+missiles into a tank, turn 3 FotL or charge
>if the juicy targets are far away, zoom in on turn 2, shoot MM+missiles into a tank and PotMS 2 large blasts, jink like crazy then turn 3 jump out and charge something

Good idea or shit idea?

>>49913550
As an EC player, I have to say, at least for us, this chart is true.

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>>49911535
FW MkIII helmet design is shit. I'm giving all my MkIIIs helmets from the IW CSM upgrade kit.

>>49914214
>he requires no additional points investment.
Isn't it 25% of your total (which would include the primarch)?
That means not even Horus needs extra at 2k

>>49915767
He meant no bodyguards/ride needed.

Is the 30k Kharn model any good guys?

>>49915546
>enemy has Interceptor AA
>blows the flyer from the sky

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I swear this will be the last time I post this list. Changed one last time based on the last round of feedback.

Lets see what people think now:

+++ NL - Terror (2500pts) +++

+ Lord of War (435pts) +

Konrad Curze (435pts) [Primarch]
····Master of the Legion [Terror Assault]

+ HQ (155pts) +

Legion Chaplain (155pts)
[Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Warp Shunt Field]
> Goes with the assault squad

+ Troops (1130pts) +

Legion Assault Squad (335pts) [Combat Shields, 14x Legion Assault Space Marines, 3x Power Weapon]
····Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Weapon]
> Chaplian, Apothecary and Konrad come here

3x Terror Squad (265pts) [9x Executioner, Flamer, 8x Volkite Charger]
····Headsman [Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive, Power Armour]

+ Elites (510pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (70pts)
····Legion Apothecary [Jump Pack, Nostraman Chainglaive]

2x Legion Terminator Squad (220pts) [2x Chainfist, 4x Legion Terminators, Tartaros,, Teleportation Transponder]
····Legion Terminator Sergeant [Grenade Harness]

+ Heavy Support (270pts) +

Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (270pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher, Single Arachnus pattern heavy lascannon battery]

>>49915869
Kurze works better with raptors, get some of them and ditch the assault marines

>>49916061
D3 extra atks vs combat shields? I never saw the point of the raptors

What else can I do to make my Imperial Fists look like they've been fighting endlessly for days/weeks? Want to take the siege idea to it's natural conclusion

I've been a bit heavy on the Agrax to give the impression of ash, dirt and mud, but I'd like some other perspectives and experience in making them look properly besieged

>>49910767
>>49910767
You forgot
>easy paint scheme
Army painter spray, 2 washes of Devlan mud, some black yellow and brass
GG

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>>49916292
use these

>>49916292
>HEAVY weathering
>mud fucking everywhere
>damaged/patched up armour
>obvious wounds
>fucked up paint work
the thing to remember is that IF like to be behind the walls, so they will have a lack of supplies.

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>>49910895
With you, my son I am proud

Anyone know if the content in BoP will be sold separately?

>>49916519
Very probably, just like BaC.

>>49916532
Cheers.

>>49916519
Most likely, it will be a few months until the separate boxes will be released, but they'll come eventually.

>>49908953
I'm going to paint them up real nice for when the Big E has a model. I mean I've plenty of time to paint them at some point in the next 500 years...

>>49914380
Know no Fear focuses on Calth and Guilliman, but there's also the Primarch series, but I don't know if we have scans of that yet

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GW blog today has some of the BoP models painted in alternate colour schemes. Some of them look pretty good, IMO.

To start, the inevitable ultrahriman paintjob.

>>49914638
>not taking reductor to take 3 super heavies in your HS and allying in IW for iron fire bonuses
Pleb

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Custodes in red. Think I prefer this, surprisingly.

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And sisters in silver.

Blog also has pics of IH and IW Mk IIIs, and tartaros termis in that light turquoise-blue GW is trying to push for AL.

>>49916566
>>49916573
>>49916582
Link? I can't find it.

>>49916573
The shields and sword are great on these guys, especially the shield! But the red armor is meh. Can't wait for Inferno to give us all the canon alt color schemes.

>>49916582
I like this.

>>49916613
Are you blind, its at the top of the GW website, but red tab on the right side.

>>49910239
This looks great, idea stolen ;)

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>>49916613
Ah, screw it, I'll just post the other three.

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>>49916642
>that teal AL
ugh why

>>49916649
Did a bird shit on their helmets?

>>49916649
There is a disturbing lack of chevrons on those men.

>>49916657
Agreed.

>>49916657
Yeah, I don't know what they're thinking, but it's the scheme in the painting guise too so it's clearly what they're trying to push. I get that they want a scheme that uses citadel paints, but I'm sure you can get closer to AL than that.

>>49916679
i only use citadel, and have a better scheme than that. its too light, and not metallic enough.

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>>49910843
>>49910705
I know I've shamelessly posted my guys before, but... I'm getting there. Planning to build my troops section this week

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>>49916679

>>49910239
Only problem I have with this is that caedere helms during the Crusade/Heresy were used for veterans, not schlubs they pulled out the vat.

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>>49916842
I don't understand what I'm looking at. Surely the only way to get a metallic colour is with multiple layers of the new Gem Paints™?

>>49916881
Well, there's also Forge Worlds own transparent paints, that could be Angron Red (clear), or more likely, since this is a not an official studio paintjob, it's probably Tamiya Clear Red.

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1. Purchase a make-your-own-dildo set
2. Make a mould of your dick
3. Cast your dick with resin
4. Cut it to proper size, cut out the seat, details, etc.
5. Greenstuff the front part.
6. Add a rider, paint

Boom, cheap jetbikes.

>>49916822
Looks really good.

>>49916927
Anon, that might be the thing that forces FW to make jetbikes cheap.

>>49908478
Will the Prospero Marines have something like chain bayonets to show having both bolters and a CC weapon?

I am also unsurr if I should modell everything on them in regards to wysiwyg.

Bolters,pistols and cc..urgh.

>>49916649
What's that melee weapon on that sarge?

>>49917014
Looks like a Thunderhammer

>>49917001
It says they're veterans and they have both ccw and pistol standard... If you want them to be regular tacticals, just leave out ccw...

>>49917023
Man, I like thunderhammers. It's a cool concept and mostly good looking.

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>>49917001
There's extra chainswords in the set for you to glue on if you want to indicate CCWs, but I can't see any chain bayonets in the sprue pics.

>>49917041
Got link for sprue pics?

>>49917081
Here:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Great-Wolfs-Host

>>49917041
>>49917027
Thanks for the answers, but you can outfit your tacticals with an additional ccw instead of replacing your bolter with it.

That is why I am asking, adds some versatility and might come in handy when you are charged.

Sammael's Jetbike is heresy era right? Is anyone going to lynch me for converting it for heresy ninja crows?

>>49917093
Thanks a bunch. On the pic showing melee weapons, are the small ones on top grenades?
And the pistols are grav, plasma, hand flamer and bolt?

>>49917173
Of course you may. They're your dudes.

>>49917219
>Sammael's Jetbike is heresy era right? Is anyone going to lynch me for converting it for heresy ninja crows?

I imagine you'll need to tone down the iconography a little bit (as that wasn't really done as much pre-heresy), but beyond that it's the right age, so it could work just fine.

>>49917227
>He thinks 30k has grav
oh ho ho