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>>49269245
I can't wait to summon God Wizard too

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Original Scifi Original Movie idea do not steal

anime is a scourge that needs to be eradicated

>>49269411
ok

>>49269492
>>49269475
NOT EVEN TRYING

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Are you guys ready for game night soon?

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_hTbIXYbKJbS0VOT2dlTEhoWmM

Here's the link again to the Spellburst Savant. I've added in a Spell Channeling/Infuse Arrow-type ability for the gun witch, in the hopes that that will help bridge the gap some (if only by giving them another option for gun-magic than full attacks). The sidebar about arcane archery is superfluous now, so it's been removed.

Otherwise, I'm out for a while. Seeing bits of Augunas' new book has made me incredibly skeeved out, as well as embarrassed and horrified to be publishing in the same industry as him.

Just... Ugh.

>>49269551
We uh, understand.
I worried this was "magical realm" when I first saw the cover.

Little did we know how much further it would dig...

Expect feedback, but assume it won't be in this hellish thread, that all our eyes regain their cleanliness.

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>>49269550
>cleric can't make it tonight
>inquisitor might have to leave mid-session
>they party is about 1.5 hours away from a lethal boss fight
>mfw I have to do last minute padding so that the entire party doesn't get slaughtered

>>49269245
>Kami Onmyoji

What the fuck? Is that intended to be a parody like 42?

>>49269636
>FUCK ART

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>>49269331
>by bedding four different young men, barely older than boys, in a single night. She lured her victims into her forest and made love with them all at once as her loins consumed their genitals.

What the fuck?

>>49269550
>Saturday: Exploring the sewers underneath Ustalav
>Sunday: Making nice with the tomb-raiders of Osirion
>Monday: Hunting down a criminal that uses kids as bait and pickpockets
>Thursday: Running Crimson Throne

Life is goooood.

>>49269695
I was hoping this was gonna be a good book.

Just look past the occasional hint of realming.

But then these things just can't be looked past.

>>49269733
Sorry, meant Friday for Crimson.

>>49269733
>4 campaigns a week

You. MOTHER. FUCKER!
There are hundreds of starving fa/tg/uys without a game.

>>49269550
>Just had a session earlier tonight, homebrew setting
>playing Skull and Shackles on Monday
>playing Crimson Throne on Wednesday
>making a campaign set in the Mana Wastes, undetermined start date

>>49269660
LIE, STEAT, CHEAL MOTHERFUCKER

>>49269734
I think the author got way too deep in his own magical pedo realm for anyone to be capable of taking this book seriously.

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>>49269475
>they changed it back to Arthu

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It's getting late, so I'm going to hit the hay and tell myself it's all alright. TTFN, I'll continue my dump in the morning, have fun unseeing it all.

>>49269841
Given you're already ganking Circe and such, I don't see the point in it.

>>49269827
One spirit reference I would have accepted. 42, king arthur, the little mermaid. One of them. But fucking hell at this point all I can do is just shake my head.

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>>49269855
>genitalia slough off

Thanks. I really enjoyed seeing these, though probably not for the reason the author was hoping when he wrote it.

>>49269873
Don't forget Baldur, Jormungandr, and Jehovah.

>>49269894
I just compared this text to the text the srd has from the previous version.

Admittedly, the last version DID mention genitalia, but was just 'lose'

The whole sloughing is all new.

>>49269868
I don't even mind a lot of references. Arthu just sounds like something an eight-year-old would come up with. At least stick with Arturius like it was originally, that sounds halfway decent.

And the skeevy shit, man, I know it's supposed to be "more reminiscent of real-world occultism" or some shit but... ugh. At this rate I think I'll just stick with homebrewing Tome of Magic vestiges.

>>49269959
post that shit when you do, bro

>>49269959
Because Adromalius transforms you into a big titted furry when you want to seal a pact.

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People keep complaining /pfg/ is fucking full of degenerates.

They don't realize a big chunk of the PF content itself encourages it.

We got kitsunes, we got battle maids, now we got the kinkiest pantheons that even makes Slaanesh look virginal

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>>49269997
That makes no sense. The thing didn't even have a proper control system so it had to dock physically to not get wiped out by its force.

What the fuck about this is big titties let alone furry?

>>49270017
Battle maids are pure.

>>49269492
>rune
That's a penis

>>49270017
>battle maids

Where?

>>49270017
>battle maids
Yeah, I don't see it either. Where?

>>49269978
It's an idea I've been tossing around for a while, but never made any real progress on. Hell, as long as we're on the subject, what would you suggest as a starting point? I considered starting with another level of vestiges, so that they map more cleanly to the 9-level spellcasting progression, but I'm kind of iffy on whether that's even necessary.

Other than that, all I know so far is that I want to up their effectiveness overall and give them a couple more "toys" to play around with, in the form of relatively minor abilities (think the cantrip-like constellation powers from the Radiance House stuff).

>>49270078
>>49270222
They're either talking about the Innocuous Servant rogue talent or the Gonzo Battle Butler.

Or Hidden Blade rogue with innocuous servant and riven hourglass

>>49269932
Most of the previous version was a bit more sterile, yeah. I was one of the people who helped with it in the ideas phase, I like to think my suggestions helped to make it a more palatable product than it otherwise would have been. Sad to see a bunch of the suggestions I made are being reverted since I stopped following the products.

>>49270287
I don't think it's Innocuous Servant when you're a legit maid.

>>49270287
>Gonzo Battle Butler
the what

Innocuous Servant honestly makes sense for Intrigue campaigns, it's just that specific combo with Companion of the Lonely for meme-maids.

And personally, Sakuya's more cool than magical realms imo

>>49270439
The book Gonzo 2 has a Battle Butler/Combat Maid class. It's actually pretty cool.

>>49270439
Gonzo 2 has the Battle Butler class. They have a special counter that records how 'proper' things are being and get pissed off if things go to shit.

>>49270439
http://endzeitgeist.com/gonzo-2/

The book is overall pretty awesome.

Okay, so Malefex update: got all the feedback from the last two threads gathered up and will be doing edits tomorrow/Sunday and writin' s'more malefactions at that time.

To the guy suggesting a retraining clause on Know-It-All I have to say that I still have absolutely no idea what you're getting at here. Right now the ability has you pick two Knowledges that you do NOT have ranks in, then gives you max ranks in 'em that continue to scale up as you level. I'm not sure where retraining would come in here or what it is you're getting at, so if you could walk me through what I'm missing here I'd be very grateful. I don't doubt that you're seeing a problem, I'm just not seeing it myself.

Thank you all for the feedback thus far! You can find the playtest doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing

>>49270601
Hey Gareth, what do you think of the new pact magic book?

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>>49270657
Lines were crossed that I feel should not have been crossed.

>>49270601
Just looked at the class for the first time.

Holy shit are you an edgelord in real life? Once (the Harbinger) was fun, twice and now we're starting a pattern.

>>49270657
Are we talking about Grimoire of Lost Souls or a different book?

>>49270601
I think one of the issues he's bringing up is that you can't pick a previous skill. What if you have all the knowledges with at least one point?

And while it's a lesser concern, a purely feel-one as opposed to a mechanical one, what if you want the 'auto-scaling' skills to be a specific ones?

Like if you've got a Know: Arcana guy. His thing is knowing the magic shit. It'd make sense for that to be one of his skills he'll ALWAYS have at max. It works out mechanically the same, but something to think about.

ALSO something mechanically the same is just letting people pick whatever skill and then retrain previous skill ranks. Why does it HAVE to be ones you don't have ranks in? Either way (No ranks only or retrain skill ranks) It works out to the same overall benefit. One way (Yours) is just a lot clunkier.

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>>49270717
You know, the sad thing is I'm really not. A bit bitter, yes, terminally sarcastic, certainly, but generally optimistic. I've noticed the trend in my design myself but I will note that a lot of my content that isn't base classes is non-edgy and/or even upbeat and optimistic! It just doesn't really get as much attention/love.

Plus I'm sorta counting Lords of the Night out of the running because the edge is a feature there.

So I feel like my inquistor (who specialises in tower shields, ally shield, and intercept charge solo teamwork feats) is a little bit too cheesy.

Can anyone recommend me a good class in PoW?

I'm looking for a class that does something more than cycle through like a few maneuvers to maximise damage as much as possible.

>>49270756
Any chance you can make your next base class edge/optimism neutral?

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>>49270751
I mean, the auto-scaling ones are already the ones you picked, so...

I'll chew it over. The way I figured it was a nice way to snag a couple more Knowledges that you might not have ranks for to begin with, but my ability to grapple with my confusion is not being aided by this migraine at the back of my skull. I'll come back to this subject in the mornin' when I start my edits, aye?

>>49270779
In that case your best bet is to go with an Archetype from Expanded.

In general they are less stupid on damage and class features, except the Ranger one.

>>49270824
If it ends up being the one I want it to be, yes.

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>>49269550
Operation "fuck that one guy, you're not getting nice things from me" and "scrape out the remaining fun" is a go for my Sunday game. I refuse to let one person's whiny bitch fit ruin an entire campaign.

Other game has been pretty good, though that's mostly just because the GM is fun. I'm not really sold on Iron Gods so far, even if Val a cute. Still struggling with actually doing any damage whatsoever as well, since everything has completely dicked over rapiers. The RotRL campaign that died might get a reboot sometime. Fingers crossed for rebooting with Gestalt to make up for only having half a party.

>>49270853
Any good recommends?
I don't have Expanded yet.

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>there are anons ITT drowning in more than one campaign per week
>I've been stuck in a 6 month long hiatus

>>49270717
Twice? Have you seen the Harrowed? Edgelords just seem to be Gareth's guilty pleasure.

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>>49270917
...Well, you're not wrong.

>>49270905
It's okay anon, you'll find a good group someday.

>>49270936
start planning a noblebright supplement book to offset your grimdark, Gareth

>>49270905
If it makes you feel any better, I had almost two years of games starting and dying before the first session before I even got my first campaign ever. Only reason I ended up with multiples now is because of worry that drama will splinter the first group.

>>49270839
>>49270601
The main problem I'm seeing is that, if you don't pick the Know-It-All option at first level, you're at this awkward crux where the knowledge skills you actually invested in (and therefore should be well-versed in) are precisely the skills you CAN'T get maxed-out for "free". Instead, you suddenly become extremely-knowledgeable about a subject you knew nothing about beforehand.

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>>49270964
I've got lots of stuff with no grimdark whatsoever! Pic related has none! Almost all of the stuff I did for Psionic Bestiary had none (admittedly when I did have to go dark in there shit got dark as fuck fast)! The grimdark stuff just stands out for some reason.

>>49270855
What's the thing you want it to be then?

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>>49270872
The Paladin archetype is all about predicting enemies and enacting countermeasures to protect your party with the mechanic that replaced Mercies.

Monk Archetype is all about being Jude Mathis+Lee Sin with you hopping around debuffing enemies while jumping to protect allies. It's a less cheesy Warder.

Dread is a Debuffer, less stronk than Harbinger.


Alternatively you can use books other than Path of War since it sounds like a well built inquisitor was beyond what you guys intended for your game balance. In that case I suggest Alternate Paths Martial Classes, Liber Influxus Communis, Akashic Mysteries, or New paths Compendium for material.

What kind of character do you wanna play?

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>>49270872

Also here's a present. I love using this class.

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>>49270994
Okay, but, flip side - if you're investing in those Knowledges with ranks, are they not already maxed? Doing the retraining option just gives you the different and slightly harder to explain problem of suddenly having those ranks (if you pick one you already have been investing in) in skills you previously didn't possess.

Like. Why would you have Knowledges /not/ at the skill cap for your level, is what I suppose I'm getting at here. Because it seems like that appears to be the objection but I don't...really...get it.

I'm sorry anon I really am trying here. It might be the headache talking, we might be miscommunicating, I may just be an idiot, I can only beg your patience.

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>PFSRD still has no updates to DSP content
>DM won't allow anything from the docs or pastebin

>>49271001
Maybe make a Charisma -based Harbinger focused on positive emotions?

>>49271011
>Lee Sin
Not this nightmare again fucking christ let me farm PLEASE
>a well built inquisitor was beyond what you guys intended for your game balance
Not really, I feel like i'm stressing my DM out because i operate really oddly due to being able to negate most forms of damage completely and helping my team do it.

I want something mobile that isn't stuck doing the same thing every turn. I rolled a Bushi once and boy i was just stuck doing the same two maneuvers every turn. That was boring.

>>49271030
Alright, I'll read through it.

>>49271045
Admittedly, most knowledges you'd want would be maximized! But if you're already maxing-out Perception, Sense Motive, Bluff, Intimidate, and Disable Device (for instance), that's 5 of your skill ranks each level. You're probably going to want a rank or two in Climb, Swim, etc. to make sure they're not untrained, you might want to spread out your Knowledges somewhat, and so on. Also, what if a different SoHK ability caught your fancy at 1st level, so you had to invest ranks in the Knowledge skill you wanted? It's now completely-unselectable with Know-It-All.

>>49271045
Most characters I've played only max out some knowledge and sprinkle in the others. The checks are oftentimes not hard enough to necessitate maxed ranks.

>>49271011
>Dread is a Debuffer, less stronk than Harbinger.

hahahhahano.
my DM banned my Dread/AntiPali because I can hit 30 intimidate at 8th level, drop everyone's resistance to fear by -8, debuff everyone with shaken, frightened, panicked, sickened, diseased, fatigued and exhausted every round to the point of breaking encounters.

I get worse by 11th level when I get the Shadow Twin class feature

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>>49270905
You're not the only one, friend. 8 months and counting here. My GM has 2 jobs and a baby now.

>>49271136
That was a gestalt-then? As in, not most normal games? By itself, the Dread is useful but not quite as strong as a Harbinger. Less reliable of one too.

>>49271136
Was talking path of War Dread archetype, which doesn't have a lot of that.

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>>49271136
...That same Shadow Twin feature that the Expanded archetype trades out, and thus you do not get?

>>49271096
>>49271134
...Huh.

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>>49271011
Can I please get a link for these new archetypes?

>>49270601
...I admit that I wasn't at my sharpest yesterday and completely misinterpreted what you said about how you -must- pick knowledges you have no ranks in. You can ignore >>49248883 and what I said about wasting ranks.

Though I do agree with >>49270751 : any knowledge skills the player really wanted would already have ranks in them, and probably any knowledge skills they'd think were at all useful would have at least one rank so they don't take untrained check penalties. Especially with all knowledge skills as class skills, there's compelling reason to have at least 1 skill point in all of them.

As it is, forcing it to be two things you have no ranks in means that if it's something you -plan- to take later but don't have yet, you need to intentionally suck it up and deal with having no ranks in the two skills until then, or pay money to use the retraining rules to 'empty them out' before leveling up.

>>49271178
They're in Path of War Expanded.

I personally don't like posting PDFs of something until after it's past its window for profit.

>>49271153
not a gestalt, I just dipped into 3 levels of antipali.

>>49271167
>...That same Shadow Twin feature that the Expanded archetype trades out, and thus you do not get?
Sorry, its weird from a mechanical perspective that vanilla Dreads are more stronger than their Dread PoW archetype.

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>>49271179
No worries anon, this conversation's been enlightening and I haven't exactly been top of my game for it either. The thread (and IRC) have been helpful in pointing out what I've missed and the ability will see editing tomorrow.

Thank you for your patience.

>>49271196
It's weird that at an earlier time in DSP's development, when everyone writing was less experienced, we published an ability with deep problems which we now write out or swap when creating archetypes for its owning class?

Shadow Twin and Twin Fear needed to not happen. Dread has significant mechanical and identity issues that are somehow saved by its manifesting and terrors. This is a thing that needs to be kept in mind when thinking about the design of dread archetypes.

>>49271218
No problem, I feel bad for making you look at my comment and wonder what I meant when I was replying to something you didn't actually say.

>>49270905
two years
send help

>>49271147
Anon, I think its time to realize your DM isn't coming back.

>>49271314
I have become a new DM, but he is being hit just as hard by withdrawals as I am. Scheduling is a main problem.

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I've got a delivery for a box of Fluffy Tails™

Is this the right address?

>>49271383
Nope, you want the 40k general down the hall.

>>49271423
>>49271383
HERESYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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>>49271423
Don't lie, it's definitely for one of us.

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>>49271383
No, the fluffy tails is to be delivered to 5e general, since they're finally getting Kitsune and catgirls as a playable race

>mfw salty 5e fags crying about their hobby becoming more weeb

>>49271478
[Citation needed]

I tried looking for an official announcement the last time this got brought up, and couldn't find it.

>>49271074
Honestly I would love to see something like this.

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>>49271478
>mfw salty 5e fags crying about their hobby becoming more weeb

They're pretty much newfags to the hobby. 3e had monsterwaifus. PF has monsterwaifus. 5e was only free from weeb-influence because it was new and the rest of the playerbase hadn't migrated yet.

>>49271045
Gareth, this is EXACTLY the same shit you rage about with Versatile Performance. Just let me retrain my skills when I take it, it's not hard.

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>>49271423
>I am suddenly picturing a bunch of spess muhreens opening the box and deus-vulting because they finally have that last article for their armors to complete their new Space Fox Chapter

>>49271639
You may have missed me achieving comprehension here >>49271218 my friend.

>>49269209
>What was the manliest character you've ever seen or played with?
I did this barbarian once, everytime when he leveled up I rolled really well. Like all tens and up. Combined with a high con build and invulnerable rager, he was the tankiest character I've played. I also had draconic totem for wings, come and get me and those 3.5 feats from Ultimate Warrior that let you shred through magic defenses. So it was just this crazy son of a gun that walked through minions, shrugging off AoOs, then when he reached the caster he would look him in the eye and go "I dare you. I double dog dare you, motherfucker."

Skillwise I had high Initmidation, basic for barbarians, but also high Spellcraft and Knowledge: Arcane, because he was a mage hunter, and to annoy our sorcerer because my barbarian and group bard knew more about magic than he did.

Highlights:
>Rampaged through a wizard party as a distraction while the group stealthed away. Finally got knocked out wwhile getting away, was dragged by the druid in air elemental form, got convinced that he had sleepwalked back to base.
>Party met some demon or shadow creature that the DM hinted was way over our level. It roared and intimidated the whole party (maybe Aura of Fear? Pretty sure it was a homebrew monster by the DM) except for me (nat 20 on Will save). Roared back at the monster, rolled 19 on Intimidate, made the DM laugh, so he he said the monster was stunned by my bravery for one round. Plenty of time to catch up to the fleeing party laughing like crazy.
>When surrounded by the minions of an evil princess of the fae, ran through four ents, eating the AoOS, grabbed the princess, was full attacked by one ent, ran back to the party, eating the AoOs again, jumped inside a cave, powerbombing the princess to break the fall while the party druid and sorcerer used spells to seal the cave and then, with 5 hp left, sacrificed the fae on the same alter she had been using to sacrifice humans.

>>49271688
My mistake. I stopped reading and mashed reply because your accidental hypocrisy was filling me rage

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Making a Human sorcerer, what are some good feats at level 1? Leaning to Toughness and Improved Initiative. Are any metamagic feats worth taking at this level? Never really played a proper caster.

>>49271654
>Implying they haven't already made tails out of bouquets of purity seals

Fucking pleb alert.

>>49271750
Toughness is never worth it. Go for Combat Casting or Spell Penetration.

>>49271750
What sort of a Sorcerer are you trying to play?

If you're focusing on blasting, Spell Focus (Evocation) would work well, but if you're going for more of a controller or don't want to spend a feat for +1 to DCs, there's always Spell Focus.

>>49269550
Saturday game cancelled because one of us has his birthday then

if neutrality in pathfinder is being apathetic about something, what is the goal of the druids?
apathy?

>>49271844
Likely a blaster with a lesser focus on utility. Picked the Arcane bloodline. I'll have a look at those though, thanks anon.

>>49271873
Accidentally said Spell Focus twice. The second one should say Combat Casting.

So a player in my campaign wants to use Tetori Monk, but it loses Flurry of Blows and therefore he wouldn't be able to go for the Grabbing Style feat.

Should I let him forgo the FoB requirement, or is it written in such a manner because it'd be too powerful?

>>49271905
Let him do it. There is no such thing as a chained Monk that is too powerful.

>>49271792
Toughness is useful while you're still in rusty dagger shanktown. Even if you had 16 Con and your FCB in HP, Toughness would still increase your health by 30% at 1st level. It still won't save you from the orc greataxe crit, but it could definitely do so against a regular attack.

If you can't retrain it later then yeah its usefulness drops hard.

>>49271905
>Prerequisite(s): Improved Grapple; base attack bonus +6, brawler's flurry class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.
It only needs one of Brawler's Flurry, Flurry of Blows, or a BAB of +6 or higher. You don't need all three of them, so once he gets to have a +6 BAB he can take it.

>>49271905
>therefore he wouldn't be able to go for the Grabbing Style feat

Yes he would, he'd just need +6 BAB or a 2-level dip into Brawler

My DM wants a wishlist from me, For my level 4 Inquisitor, I don't actually know what items to want, I got a cloak of +1 to saves or whatever already.
Anyone have suggestions for Fun not necessarily power gaming things to ask for?

How do you get an enhancement bonus on the Aegii astral suit? Without it, it seems as if it'd fall behind other armors.

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>>49272099
there's a customization that's just a flat +1 enhancement bonus

>>49272067
A pre-errata Ring of Ferocious Action. The inquisitor and Hunters' best friend.

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I need a few more players for my campaign. We're just finishing up the first adventure, and about to sink our teeth into the meat of the campaign.

This is a kingdom building game, with loadsa emphasis on characters and politics. It's set in a fantasy Roman Empire, just before the decline of the Empire.

It's every Monday night, 6pm PST, text on roll20 and voice on Skype. If you're interested, fire me off an email on [email protected]

This is going to be a multi-generational campaign where you're going to play as descendants decades down the line, navigating your way through politics and influences of this fantasy Europe knockoff.

Right now the players are stuck on a storm-wracked island that has been crashing ships against its shores for many centuries. And the island is overrun and controlled by tribes of Deep One Hybrids, with a city of Deep Ones hidden in the island, and a temple-palace of Elder Deep Ones at a mountain peak. And the players must now navigate their way through this temple-palace around those sleeping demi-gods, to destroy and escape this island.

If you have any questions, just ask me here.

Is there a PoW archetype for hybrid classes like brawler, and swashbuckler?

Has anyone tried using the Innate Item Bonuses system from Unchained?

>>49272099
Crystal spaulders, a crystalline focus item that enhances your astral suit if you form through it. Goes from +1 up to +3 and grants an equal number of customization points (which you could spend on enhancement as >>49272116 suggests).

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Can I get help optimizing my Orc Brawler/Eldrich Guardian fighter multi class? What feats I should Martial flexibility into or just get? I have the feat tax and my build is currently
1 Brawler- Possessed hand (Haunted Hero's Handbook)
2 Brawler- Deft Maneuvers
3 Brawler- Hand's Autonomy
4 Brawler
5 Eldritch Guardian- Familiar Mauler Archetype and Hand's Detachment
6 Eldritch Guardian
My gm is letting me use the Giant Crawling hand's stats when it uses its battle form except for the bonuses from the archetype

>>49272099
The idea is to ignore everything besides astral skin and just wear proper armor, unless you take an archetype that upgrades the armor bonus as the class progresses.

>Tfw get excited thinking up character concepts for the future
>Tfw know that I will never get to play 90% of them and if I do, the game probably won't last that long

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/damnation-strike

Are there any other spells or effects similiar to damnation strike?

Is there any way to change Words of Power Dimension Hop to add a blast to the front or end?

>>49270905
Two years here, will be joining a new game next weekend though.

Well I just had my first character reincarnated /tg/. My tengu alchemist got 100 to 0'd by a drow fighter crit and then ironically brought back as a drow. This is made even better as half the party has PTSD from time spent in the underdark but at least I've got Ignoble form to keep me from being the general populaces enemy #1. I'm not sure what to do from here, I got some neat abilities out of it and aren't dead so thats all good.

>>49272371
Yeah I'm going with the War Hulk archetype, thanks.

why is it so hard to find a gestalt game that isn't garbage? I just want to play a fun character.

>>49272641

Gestalt is garbage

>>49272647
I wouldn't know I've never gotten to try it.

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Alrighty! So I felt we all had to suffer some more. So I uploaded the Grimoire of Lost Souls into an album!
https://sli.mg/a/bW3mKx

Any suggestions on which Fiendish Boon to pick on Antipaladin?

My gut tells me to pick the weapon but I'm looking at that summoner monster list and thinking I could have some serious fun, especially late level

>>49272658
You'd be better off just making a game with one of these classes.

Perfect saves, high BAB, one spell list
Perfect saves, high BAB, all skills
Perfect saves, average BAB, two spell lists

So i have 4 free feats, and i have no idea what to put them in. I'm playing a living legend, and i'm not playing any particular build.
All 3pp allowed as long as it isn't too crazy (subject to GM's discretion)

>>49273103
>anon hates fun

Gestalt is great.

Are there any wisdom arcane casters aside from Empyreal Sorcerer?

>>49273269
No?

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>Recently just finish Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
>Can't help but feel slightly disappointed at how martials or casters in PF never feel as satisfying or flexible in combat as that

Help.

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>>49273348
You can do those things in lightly ruleset games where only imagination is the limit
buy my book

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So maybe I'm retarded or I just don't know how to read

But can someone break down how much it actually cost to upgrade a weapon to +1,+2,+3 etc etc then how much it cost to get it enchanted?

>>49273455
Okay so.

FIrst off, the +whatever numeric bonuses are the same thing as enchantments, and you add the number and the value of the special qualities together to get the total value of the weapon.

For instance, Flaming is a +1 quality, so a +1 Flaming weapon would be a total of +2, so you'd look at how much +2 costs on the table.

>>49273455
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/weapons.html
+1 weapon is 2k
Keen +1 weapon would be 8k
+2 weapon is also 8k
Upgrading costs the difference in price what you start with and what you want
+1 longsword costs 2015 GP thusly

>>49273498
>+1 longsword costs 2015 GP thusly
2315. Has to be masterwork before it can be enchanted.

>>49273495
>>49273498
Ok I get that, cause I was going through the books and they word it oddly which was getting me confused.

So if I find a +1 weapon and want to either upgrade it +2 or add a +1 enchant on it, it would cost 6,000 to equal the 8,000 required for a +2?

>>49273507
Although if you have a bit more cash, most special materials include the masterworking.

>>49273535
Thats how it works, yes.

To upgrade something, you basically just pay enough to make it equal the new value.

>>49273535
Yes. Do note that the costs are halved if you do the enchanting yourself.

>>49273555
>halved
good crafters pay as little as 1/4 or something

>>49273555
>>49273550
Alrigt thanks for the help guys

>>49273582
I'm pretty sure you can only get the cost down to around 1/3 at best, unless you're using some really questionable 3pp.

>>49273602
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/3rd-party-feats/kobold-press/general-feats---3rd-party---kobold-press/frugal-crafting
Then you find any that reduces the price even further

>>49273582
With 1PP only, the cheapest you can get is 25% with normal Downtime mechanics, or 15% with a Horn of Magical Plenty (because it converts 60gp's worth of Goods into 100gp's worth of Magic, but you're only actually paying 30gp to get it), modified further by two multiplicative reductions of 5% from traits.

You can also get to 25% if you are in a nation that sells slaves. If you create a custom item of Summon Cacodaemon, a monster that traps one soul per day, you can buy slaves for 50gp apiece and kill them to harvest their souls, which are worth 100gp of crafting materials; in effect, each slave has 200gp of magic item market value if you harvest it. It's a hefty input cost, but it does pay for itself in the long term, if you're willing to spill quite a bit of blood.

>>49273625
>questionable 3pp

>>49273625
If you go 3PP you go Artisan. I've gotten it down to 6% of market for that thing.

I'm quietly waiting for a Mythic game that allows 3PP so I can break it over my knee with it.

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I woke up, time for you guys to feel my pain.

Actually, I really like this spirit, the old one gave you flight in astronomical units, but this is still pretty damn cool.

>>49273625
That would be really, REALLY questionable 3pp. As in, I don't think you're going to find a GM that'll even consider allowing that.

>>49273637
There is no such thing as questionable 3pp
Only gullible GMs

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Guess who wrote this one.

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More of Alex's finest

>>49273680
>>49273692
Jesus fucking christ. Demos and Darkstar are really fucking cool, and then you get this heinous furry bullshit.

>>49273680
man I have always wanted to play an unbirthing based character

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I can only asssume it's really cringy and has something to do with age regression due to reincarnation

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They patched her so you can't make nigh infinite amounts of gold as soon as you make a good pact. Gotta wait until 14.

>>49273721
Yup, age regression it is. I suffered through it so you wouldn't have to, anon.

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I don't know how feasible that physical sign is, I feel like it's one of those thigns where they should've given you a table you roll on.

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Hot imp on pixie action.

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This one's actually pretty cool

>>49269550
Today was my homebrew norse newbie game
Tomorrow is a dragon-priest caravan game
Tuesday is my not-Redcoat Misadventures in not-Africa game

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I like this one, because it's skill checks and overly specific abilities with a really cool backstory.

>>49272641
Because most GMs think of gestalt as simply mashing two classes together, when instead it's giving the player a huge slew of options with no more action economy to use them.

The Gestalt Mythic game I played in was great fun. Rogue VMC Monk 15+Witch 15+7th Tier Trickster - an ancient and frail elven lady who owned a moutain and minded diamonds and silver from it, and was considered a goddess by the local gnoll tribe, while being a renegade user of magic who barely fit into civilization any longer.

The party consisted of myself and:
The Fighter 2/Gunslinger 5/Psychic Warrior 8+Arcanist 15 Human with Tier 7 Archmage. Total Chaotic Stupid slut who shot first and never bothered to ask questions.
The Alchemist 15+Fighter15 Tier 7 Champion Neutral Dickhead Strix who specialized so heavily into the Steal manuver no one could hold anything in hand without him taking it from them. Including the party.

Bard 15+Swashbuckler 5/Brawler 10 Tier 7 Guardian Half Elf, Neutral Good and total party buffer, who styled herself after Lady Gaga and played that role to the hilt. He was the least troublesome member of the party.

Then of course you had the attempted minmaxed Wizard 15+Druid 15 Tier 7 Chaotic Stupid Archmage who believed everything /tg/ tells people about both wizards and druids, and couldn't understand why an unoptimized character like mine could manage to outdo him though careful consideration and forethought instead of 'hit the I win buttons' like he was suppose to be able to do.

The game was better than half the people I played with.

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They also fixed Jorgunmandr's infinite reincarnate thing.

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This art made me laugh so I'm gonna share it.

What's the difference between a Paladin and a Inquisitor roleplaying wise?

>>49273887
Inquisitors are sneakier.

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DARKNESS IMPRISONING ME
ALL THAT I SEE
ABSOLUTE HORROR

>>49273887
The Paladin is loud and obvious, but no-one expects the Inquisitor

>>49273925
>Witch Yaba
But WHY. Aside from being public domain, Baba Yaga is *Pathfinder canon*!

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>>49273930
Many of these spirits were designed in 2006 or 7 when Secrets of Pact Magic, a 3pp DnD supplement was released. This was a re-release and rebalancing of many of those spirits.

>>49273914
Their chief element, is SURPRISE!

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>>49273937
That being said, the ones that turn you 100% furry are a new addition to the tome.

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They aren't even trying.

>>49273967
Well that's actually based on the Chinese phoenix, but I wouldn't expect you to know that.

>>49273837
>wizard/druid
>not wizard/arcanist or wizard/sage sorcerer or wizard/witch

No wonder he was shit.

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Daily reminder that the dawnflower cult is a religion of peace.

>>49274024
Pretty much. Also, even with Archmage, at that level a lot of the tricks a caster can pull really don't matter nearly as much against mythic enemies of CR 19+

>>49274048
Mythic's nasty on prepared casters because it nullifies the drawbacks of prepared spells pretty handily.

Honestly, Wizard//Arcanist with Fast Study and, importantly, a merged spellbook, can bring the hammer down in combat with their mythic power and prepare mostly utility spells in their actual slots, leaving a few open to fill in as needed.

>>49274070
Yes, but this fellow only THOUGHT he knew what he was doing.

My preferred method is to go Int-based sorcerer+witch, or psion+arcanist, using one for utility and the other for effect.

>>49274155
Well, if DSP is on the table it's a different story.

Dual-path Archmage/Overmind Psychic Mage Wizard//Telepath (with psyref) has a HUGE PP pool, and if your GM allows items that grant maneuvers a la 3.5e, you can pick up the 5th level Sleeping Goddess stance fairly early on to allow your Telepathy powers to penetrate immunity.

>>49269209
Isn't pathfinder the game with the Transgender shaman iconic ?

>>49274218
Among others, yes.

>>49274218
There are only trans peasants in Pathfinder. Anyone with even a moderate amount of money can simply buy an item to immediately become completely the other sex physically. There's people who swap between them repeatedly for the fun of it. If you decide you'd rather be the opposite sex forever, you just do it, and if you change your mind later you go back.

It's just one shitty dev that thinks it's somehow a compelling thing to write about and injects it into everything. It can be ignored.

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That's all of them, I need some cereal, If anyone has requests from the table of contents in the last thread lay 'em on me.

Can I take Psionic Knack with a soulknife if I'm a gifted blade.

>>49274253
Could you show the basic binding mechanics? I want to know what levels the granted abilities show up at usually.

>>49274268
Yes, but you don't have an ML at all until you gain your powers, so it doesn't give you early access.

>>49274279
Yes, but I will have my Manifester Level=my Soulknife Level if I do, right?

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>>49274244
I've said it before and I'll say it again; the vast majority of trans folks don't care about whatever "struggle" people are going through. If you offered them the option to swap sex, they wouldn't whinge and complain about it. they'd take you up on the offer immediately (assuming there's no side-effects or chance for complications) and get on with their fucking lives.

Unless there's some serious reason you can't do it ("My father is a tyrant and he'll have me gutted if I change") then it's just bad writing for anyone in the pathfinder world, especially adventurers, not to be following their desires on this.

>>49274298
Yeah.

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>>49274270
Sure, but you get all granted abilities of each spirit you have bound.

What does /pfg/ think of Oustomia?
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/35053/oustomia-pathfinder-living-world

Saw some comments on it before, so just curious.

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>>49274373
Living worlds are fucking retarded anon.

>>49274373
Oustomia is especially shit.

>>49274390
> That picture

WHAT. THE. FUCK?

>>49274422
Yeah, why so?

>>49274442
Look at the wiki and chargen information and tell me you don't see what's wrong with it.

>>49274452
Maybe I just like my freedom, but it certainly seems a lot better than PFS. Guess I just like living worlds.

>>49274480
Why ask us for advice if you're just going to totally ignore it anyway.

Join the game, enjoy such creative character concepts like "Uther Lighbringer" in your party.

>>49274571
I'm not asking for advice, I was primarily looking for reasons why some people dislike it.

You said "look at the wiki" without giving an actual reason. Judging from the dates on some of the characters on the wiki, it looks like they're fairly old and likely not active, considering how quickly people lose interest in characters.

So I'll ask you; what could they do better, in your mind?

>>49274571
The last living world I joined, the GM basically sucked my dick in terms of the chargen options I was getting. I'm guessing he didn't realize I was a dude since it was a text game or some shit.

That or my warforged character was a fetish of his.

Unfortunately, the game died before I even got to play.

>>49274618
The fuck IS a living world, anyway? I assume it's not the same as a living campaign.

>>49274691
I'm pretty sure it is, but I could be wrong on the terminology. It's just a different way to reference it. I've seen both versions of it on roll20 and they seem identical.

>>49274691
It basically is the same thing. One of the flaws with it is that basically anybody can join. There's usually multiple GMs with one or two guys who control the setting in a larger way and resolve contradictions, and set the chargen rules. It's fairly restrictive on sub-GMs, who can't do whatever they want, and games tend to reward GMs either too little or too much.

And the houserules. God, there's always too many houserules.

Hey, what is recommended for a blaster mage? I know it's generally not the best use of magic, I'm just trying to help.

I vaguely recall some archetype or feat option recently released that gave a bunch of bonuses, like +1 damage per damage die rolled, and piercing spell resistance.

Does anyone recall it?

>>49274995
There's a homebrew option in these threads that's all about blasting, if you want it.

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>>49274691

Is this what "living worlds" are like?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/35053/oustomia-pf-living-world

http://oustomiaworld.wikia.com

http://oustomiaworld.wikia.com/wiki/Sky
>Sky is a very unique kobold. While most look scraggly, malnourished, and unpleasing to look at, sky has a flush of health about her, not having those above qualities, actually being arguably pretty, even to non-scale inclined races. she has bright green eyes, as well as a very long muscular tail, which ends in natural feathering, and lastly, she has a small pair of wings upon her back, which while she cant fly with them, it definitely designates her stronger dragonic blood.

http://oustomiaworld.wikia.com/wiki/Lili
>Age: 13
>Lili is a shape-shifting Wolf Yokai. She's very short, coming in at only 3' 5" tall and 37 pounds, her frame is very slight and petite, causing her to look fragile, as if she might break if one were too rough with her. In actuality however, the girl is rather tough, able to take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.

http://oustomiaworld.wikia.com/wiki/Tunaria_Steelblood
>Age: 9
>Tunaria is a little girl with big dreams. Her long blonde hair and blue eyes make her appear quite charming, and she knows it, taking full advantage of her young age and appearance to get what she wants. After all, what harm could it do to help out (or put up with) such a cute little girl?

http://oustomiaworld.wikia.com/wiki/Roleplay_Points

>>49274995
You're thinking of the bloodline mutations for the Sorcerer.

>>49275079
...
???

>>49275079
> linking characters who don't exist

>>49275079

I wanna fuck that wolf like a cheap sex toy.

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Is there a way for an affected lycanthrope (not a natural one) to "improve" his shape change ability? Any feat or item?

>>49275011
>new pact magic book made forrest hiatus from pfg

Goddamn it augunas

So I just hit level 9 as Razmiran Priest. I was first gonna binge on scrolls but then I realized that they use their own CL instead of user's CL. Only practical solution for this problem would be to use staves since they use the user's CL.

Do you guys have any recommendation list of good staves to get, preferably cheap?

>>49275620
If you want a staff that's both good AND cheap, a custom one is basically the only option.

>>49275596
Wait, it did? The fuck.

>>49274390
Harmony Harmony oh looove

>>49275518
Silver bullets mostly

>>49275518
Remove curse

>>49269550
Just had a good session 0 and brief opening before one of the players had to do his night shift.

>>49276266

What's everyone playing, Senpai?

>>49276288
Been playing this campaign set in Taldor where the players are in service to the crown

The players involved a cleric of Aroden, no she doesn't have her spells all the time, a dorf fighter who loves his guns, and a recent graduate from Oppara's most prestigious bards college, who got pressed into the military.

>>49276339

>Bard from the prestigious academy pressed into service

You know they're canonically drop-outs and failures, right? The ones that join the military, I mean.

>>49273751
Seems about the same as that hag's 'you're a crocodile, a wolf, a rat, and a spider simultaneously' thing.

>>49276388
Yeah you're right, its the player who wanted to make a troublemaker when confirmed with him that he graduated from a local college when I explained it to him

>>49276115
>>49276219
Is there no way to control it? Is there a way to reduce the shape change as a move or standard action, or to get bonus on the Constitution check?
I was wondering if there was a way to exploit it. Anything about it in Horror Adventures?

>>49273849
Replaced it with the fish dude's infinite reincarnate, though, and that's at a lower level.

>>49273849
>Each hour after sealing your pact with Jormungandr, you must lick and kiss every inch of your bare feet

???

??????

>>49276638
The foot fetishes are invading.

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>>49276638
Whatever the fuck these are, they are VERY fetishistic

>>49273934
>HP Lovecraft was a kitsune!

seriously, why a kitsune

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>>49274425
>>49274390
Hey, I recognize that pic!
Its from a whole bunch of 3pp 3.5 products, though its usually in black and white. I think it was in the Nymphology book too.

Hey /pfg/. I wanted to build a PC race whose unique racial quirk is that they are incorporeal. How can I balance this?

>>49276856
Take a look at DSP's ghost class.

There's no fucking way you're going to balance it as a race.

>>49276856
If it's permanent incorporeal, you won't balance it. You might be able to swing the ability to become incorporeal every now and again, or some kind of concealment effect.

>>49276863
>>49276940
What about the following caveats:
Cannot fly
Cannot pass through solid objects (unless smaller than your space)
Constant self only ghostbane dirge effect

This basically means they have 50% chance vs nonmagic attacks and can't interact with corporeal things.

>>49276856
For 12RP you can get at will blink and gaseous form. Add a weakness where this can't be turned off.