/wfg/

>>49234684

Shit, I remember that from Warhammer World. There was something like a couple of thousand skeleton mini's used for that, yeah?

>>49234714
Yeah, in the White Dwarf announcing Vampire Counts as their own army. I scanned it a few years back for these threads.

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>nnnnh u are not allowed to discuss vidya because I dont like it and I say so

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>>49234683
Use the real OP, dumbass.

Warhammer Fantasy General: Edition

Talk about all Warhammer Fantasy and The 9th Age products and lore. Please be courteous and try to limit your End Times fluff discussion since its mostly seen as just the start of Age of Sigmar.

Link to last thread:

>1d4chan
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Fantasy

>Newbie Introduction to Warhammer Fantasy (Download, start reading at page 174 for the story and all the races)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/i330182xo9b1hsi/Rulebook+%28Hardback%29.pdf

>Third Party Miniature Manufacturers
http://pastebin.com/CvGaNyrk

>List of Warhammer recommended proxies
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?lexicon/462-the-9th-age-miniature-library/

>Tomb Kings Range reborn!
https://tabletop-miniatures-solutions.com
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tms-undying-dynasties-army-release#/

>Warhammer Wikis
whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page
warhammerfb.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Wiki
warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Online_Wiki

>Resources (Armybooks, Supplements, Fluff, Crunch)
pastebin.com/8rnyAa1S
www.pastebin.com/0e6RuQux
>Endhammer
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Endhammer

>9th Age
http://www.the-ninth-age.com

>Total War: Warhammer
store.steampowered.com/app/364360/

>End Times: Vermintide
store.steampowered.com/app/235540/

>Mordheim: City of the Damned
store.steampowered.com/app/276810/

>Bloodbowl 2
store.steampowered.com/app/236690/

>Man O' War
http://store.steampowered.com/app/344240/

>>49234756

Fuck me, I can't even begin to imagine how many people and how much time and money went into that thing. Is it still on display?

>>49234761

Simple rule, you bitch about it, it goes. We used to allow AoS discussion here too, but you faggots shit that up as well.

>>49234772

People bitch, so shit gets cut.

>>49234800
i dont remember these things being bitched out of the OP
i remember some guy putting his punny joke in there instead of the longer messages and that then got copy pasted by someone incompetent to the next thread etc

also you speak as if aos not being discussed (which it still does somehow) on here is some kind of major loss

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no more drama

post Fay

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>>49234859
druchii a shit
asrai a best

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So I started a new campaign in Total Warhammer as the Empire. As I'm crushing the secessionists at Grunburg, I hear Franz say during the battle "This is why you don't give the provinces power."

Does Franz not believe in the individual sovereignty of each individual state? OR is he just salty that he has to take back his own province from rebels?

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>>49234859
but drama is part of warhammer. unlike total war warhammer

also THICC > fay

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>>49234859

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>>49234890

>>49234878
its a random guy who says that.
>This is what happens when you give power to the provinces
Its harmless banter. Just like when the empire fights vampire counts and the soldiers say. "Don't let the zombies bite."

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>>49234877
all elfs are best

>>49234838
>also you speak as if aos not being discussed (which it still does somehow) on here is some kind of major loss

Eh, not discussing AoS-centric lore is fine and all, but ignoring ideas that could be backtracked is pretty cuntish. I remember some anon trying to talk about how you could convert Sigmarines into Slaaneshi Chaos Warriors and people just bitched him out for it because >DUH, AOS-FAG.

We used to include WFRP details too, but the same thing happened there. Just seems like you guys aren't content unless you're arguing about something.

>>49234683

What ever happened to Warmaster?

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>>49234886
She has STD, elves don't have any diseases.

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>>49234886
you are objectively wrong about two things in this post

>>49234886

Isn't that originally a vampire model from Mordheim? Nice re-use of it, though.

>>49234878
>"This is why you don't give the provinces power."

He's jesting, knave. He's not seriously suggesting that he should rule the entire Empire under his velvet clad fist.

>>49234907
>What ever happened to Warmaster?

Does anyone still play that? Feels like 8ed made that scale of fight pretty obsolete.

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>>49234886
Also Morathi's ass is thicker anyway.

Anyone remember what that game was where you had hexagonical squares to paint and to put together?
I got a square with the white dwarf it was announced with but i dont remember seeing fuck all else about it other than that one square

>>49234960
Mighty Empires. A Campaign expansion for WFB, based on an older, more in-depth ruleset. Fuck, I miss WFB Campaigns. That was the fucking shit right there.

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Is this 2ed information is still relevant? I saw newer amazons WD article but didn't saved it.

>tg hates end times
>hates gw writing
>attempts to make a better version of it
>literally just as bad if not worse than actual endtimes
>worse than literal GW fan fiction writing

What's really the point of endhammer? It's just a bad fan fiction scenario based on josh reynolds fan fiction yet somehow manages to leave out the best parts of that. Face it, if endhammer had been the alternative to endtimes and this is what was produced by GW, people would have hated it just as much as they hate ET and AoS. Only A very small minority would have liked all the "character developement" changes like the elves losing Ulthuan or every faction in the setting losing. The rest of us would have REEEEEEE'd just as hard if GW shat this monument to compromise out instead of the actual Endtimes

>>49234984
i think amazons have so little written of them that any and all info is relevant

>>49234995
i prefer thinking the old world is stuck in a valten vs archaon storm of chaos limbo

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>>49234886
>>49234930
Fay are thicc.

>>49234995
> leave out the best parts of that.

What parts are missing that you'd like to see? Endhammer is still in it's infancy, what changes aren't you happy with?

>49234627
This fucking cunt keeps complaining about the same shit even though he lost the vote by a country mile. Shut the fuck up, vladfag.

>>49235030
>no TW art
unless I am deliberately shitposting ofc.

>>49234995
You're the only fuck that complains about it.

>>49235036
Ignore him. It's the same fucking dude. 60+ people voted in the last elf vote. And this guy is still pissed only two people were against the schism idea.

He's the only one "reeeing" in here. Everyone else either ignores the project, humors it, or takes part.

>>49235066

It amuses me because practically every media about humans in a post-apocalyptic scenario inevitably has the whole 'us vs them' story line where two groups of comparably good people go to war because they both think their way is right.

Which, humorously, is basically what's happening here.

>>49235107
It's like "get the fuck over it."

I don't like that the new elf idea won. But it took a convincing majority of the votes and I can't do shit, so I'm not gonna complain.

So people didn't prefer my ideas. What the fuck. I'll contribute to a different part of the project.

GW never did anything perfect either, but at least with Endhammer I can contribute and argue and people actually care about old fluff.

>>49235173
I still contribute to dorfs and plan on helping out with Lizzies and KANGZ. So far the dwarf ideas didn't get shot the fuck down for not being grimderp enough, and nothing aside from the current dwarf endhammer situation is bad enough to complain about

>>49235267
Then please stop bitchinh about other shit, dude. It's done.

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I'm just going to stick with pre-ET WFB instead of 9th Age or Endhammer. It may not be great, or arguably isn't even good, but at least you can't really argue about it.

>>49235267

What have you been contributing to the EndHammer Dwarf situation?

>>49235636

Personally I've stuck with 6ed as far as mechanics go. I like the Endhammer project because it's trying to add more material to the world, even though GW was content to can it.

>>49234970

Anyone play a WFB campaign here? I'd love to hear some story time.

>>49234878
Dude, just don't talk about the videogame. Its not /tg/

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>>49236084

>>49235864

Story tiem? Story tiem.

>Mid nineties.
>Still in highschool with friends
>They got me in to Warhammer through the gateway drug known as Mordheim
>Start of the year, friend suggests a WFB campaign
>Dwarf Engineer Guild, Sigmarite Zealots, Necromantic Undead, Nurgle Cultists and Savage Orcs
>Orc player has a terrain board of the Empire he'd made for this occason. We use Standard Bearer minis to represent armies and have to keep a notebook with what troops are with each standard.
>Have a GM to keep things impartial.
>Fucking Dwarfs and Undead are speedy motherfuckers in the campaign, compared to the rest.
>Necromancer corners himself off in the Drakwald and just starts ressing zombies and skellies.
>Nurgle is working on polluting the land.
>Dwarf-fag built a fucking zeppelin and is harrassing everyone.
>Sigmarite and Orc players are the only ones keepng their shit together and working to stop Nurgle and Necromancer from becoming too big to deal with.
>Shit ain't working.
>Campaign rules for Seasonal Magic is OP'd as fuck. Dwarf player is practically shitting himself that he didn't take a rune lord - could have been generating some fucking terrifying rune weapons.
>Necromancer makes a move.
>Systematically corners off the Dwarf into his hold.
>Dwarf starts working on a doomsday engine, people ignore him.
>Sigmarite is throwing down with Nurgle on the regular, pushing back ever chance he got.
>Savage Orc went under the radar like a mother fucker, won at the end of the year by a goddamn landslide.

The game was points based, about holding certain critical locations at the end of every season. Had some great moments.

One of my favourites was a Dwarf Enginner Lord decked out with some stupid level armour and gear holding a bridge against wave after wave of undead that couldn't mechanically beat him or break through.

Lasted for a while until the Necromancer player asked if his skellies could just cross the river.

>>49236149
No one cares about your super snowflake bullshit. Total War Warhammer is irrelevant to warhammer fantasy except in the most tertiary of ways. Either talk about traditional games or go back to
>>>/v/

>>49236149
>>49236084

Bitching about a vidya isn't /wfb/. This thread is just about Warhammer guys. Just...chat warhammer. If he want's to post shit from the Vidya, let him. If it's pointless shit posting, he'll just get hidden and ignored.

>>49236194
Let's be real - who the hell really wants to talk about videogames on /v/?

>>49236193
http://rpg.by/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=13981

Some campaign rules, in case people are interested.

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>>49236194
fuck off you butthurt backseat moderator, Total Warhammer is one of the main factors keeping this thread alive at all.

WFB is not in a position where it could afford to refuse publicity from any source, be it Man o War, Total War Warhammer, or even a CK2 mod, and people like you are the most annoying thing encountered in these threads.

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>>49236445
Ignore them and they will go away anon.

>>49236445
>WFB is not in a position where it could afford to refuse publicity from any source, be it Man o War, Total War Warhammer, or even a CK2 mod, and people like you are the most annoying thing encountered in these threads.

Food for thought - what do you think would happen if you went into the Warhammer thread on /v/ and started posting images of models and asking questions about paint tips?

>>49236400
Looks pretty similar to what I grew up using. Are there any other campaign rules or are they just derivative of this? Anyone got any homebrewed campaign rules they used to use?

>>49236604
>started posting images of models and asking questions about paint tips?
If you're lucky there's some tabletop veterans in the thread, but it being /v/, you'll likely be ignored in favour of a dub or dank maymay post.

Now in /vg/, you'll almost certainly will get genuine advice, because the /twg/ is also full of actual tabletop veterans.

>>49236604
>Food for thought - what do you think would happen if you went into the Warhammer thread on /v/ and started posting images of models and asking questions about paint tips?
they would say that it is pretty cool and wished they could buy a few cheaper ones.

>>49236627
>>49236626

So now that we've all agreed that Warhammer is great, can we stop bitching about vidya and just talk Warhammer?

>>49236640
what is there to talk about?

I don't know much about the lore and frankly would rather look it up in a wiki. Talking about total war would have been my forte but apparently it is heretical now.

I can only say that the endhammer project looks cringe from my perspective.

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I liked the warhammer battle report in the newest white dwarf. Made me want to start collecting.

>>49236662

What attracts you to Total War, then? If it's the video game aspect, you'd be better off over at the TWWH thread on /v/, for both dialogue and interest.

If you want to know more about the setting, I'd recommend:

>Newbie Introduction to Warhammer Fantasy (Download, start reading at page 174 for the story and all the races)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/i330182xo9b1hsi/Rulebook+%28Hardback%29.pdf

Otherwise we mostly talk about Endhammer, WFRP campaigns and ideas, modelling tips, conversions and custom armies.

>>49236688
40k changed a lot.

>>49236688

What about the battle report drew you? I haven't read it myself. What army interests you?

>>49236703
I know enough about the story. I did my research when the game was announced and read several books from the /tg/ archive.

I wanna do more lore accurate campaigns in my videogames.

I suppose I should take it to /v/

>>49236768

Yeah, they'll be able to help you there. Cheers though, and good luck!

>>49236688

Hey, what are those big fuckers on the Sigmarines side? The ones next to the number four? Look like they'd make a great Dragon conversion.

>>49236149

It's funny. I've seen this posted a few times, but I've never actually seen anyone post a Commander Keen thread.

>>49236827
Stardrakes. They are the sigmarines monster.

>>49236726
Looks cool seeing all the models shuffling around the fortifications. The tale of 4 gamers part made me think the armies aren't too expensive, 50 quid and I could start playing. Thinking about either Ironjaw orks or Soulblight vampires. An army of a few big guys.

>>49236768
>I wanna do more lore accurate campaigns in my videogames.

Then you need to read some of the Empire's history, depending on the faction you want to play as. Good luck with it.

What's everyone else working on at the moment? I've been tickled with the idea of a fantasy version of the Infinity system, trying to figure out a way to make it work.

>>49236922
working on the chosen Elf route and some minor stuff.

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TMS Miniatures is starting concept work on their replacement Bretonnian range.

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?thread/17406-is-this-how-you-whant-you-koe-to-look-like-poll/&s=cb3dd02c79b0b833cb11c7ed59a0841f448741bb

Vote there if you like the direction of their new Peasants.

>>49235066
What were the results of the Elf vote? I missed it.

>>49236662
There's a newbie guide in the OP, and almost every single Warhammer thing ever published is there too.

>>49236912
>Stardrakes

Ah, it's a fucking beautiful sight to see. I fear it's got a prohibitive price tag attached to it.

>The tale of 4 gamers
Are they doing the whole 'everyone spends XX every month and builds an army together' schtick? That was always fun reading.

>>49236768
>I wanna do more lore accurate campaigns in my videogames.

Well if you have lore questions you can ask here. If you have vidya questions, you can ask /v/.

>>49237055
Nice!

>>49236912
I hate to tell you, but none of those things are Warhammer Fantasy.

You want the Age of Sigmar General. Its...well, its the Heroes Of The Storm to our Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3, World Of Warcraft, Warcraft Board Game, Warcraft RPG, and World Of Warcraft RPG.

>>49236922
>What's everyone else working on at the moment?

I'm working on an warband of Mining Sea Dwarfs with a 20k Leagues feel. Also toying with the idea of what it would take to make a decent WFB board game.

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>>49237106
>Ah, it's a fucking beautiful sight to see. I fear it's got a prohibitive price tag attached to it.
I'm not a big fan. They still just look like Wyverns wearing T-shirts being ridden by Space Marines to me.

Also, its kind of creepy that they're asexually reproducing demigods that are made of stars, but also aren't and their progenitor is something that exists beyond time, space, and Chaos.

I don't know. Just makes me think someone let their teenage son get high and write some shit for Warhammer.

>>49237132
Alright, I'll see you there

>>49236912
>Ironjaw orks or Soulblight vampires.

The AoS general should be able to help you out better as far as rules and lore goes for them - but we can always help out with conversions/painting tips.

>>49237183
Ho, not me. I've been staying away from that.

Its depressing as hell to see people gobbling up that garbage lore.

>>49237176
>Also, its kind of creepy that they're asexually reproducing demigods that are made of stars, but also aren't and their progenitor is something that exists beyond time, space, and Chaos.

They are not asexual. They have females and males.

>>49237190
Well...according to the backseat mods, no we can't. This is a /tg/ WFB general, not painting and converting general.

>>49237106
I'll help whoever the fuck I want if they post. Report it if you want to be a pisschild.

>>49237198
As I recall it was literally stated somewhere that they asexually reproduce when they were first released.

I recall AoS general flipping the fuck out about it.

>>49237176
That's a ...less flattering angle. Still, the model has potential. Maybe not enough to warrant the cost, though.

>>49237210
>Well...according to the backseat mods, no we can't. This is a /tg/ WFB general, not painting and converting general
>I'll help whoever the fuck I want if they post. Report it if you want to be a pisschild.

Can you fuck off and 'sperg somewhere else? I was just saying we can offer them better hel with the painting/converting/lore side of things than we could with the vidya side of things because - lo and behold - this is /tg/. Now you're just being a jackass.

>>49237218
I thought the Sigmarines were the reforged souls of those willing to fight for Sigmar? Or something? Again, a better question for /AoS/.

>>49237328
No, the dragons are asexually reproducing children of a giant star dragon that's outside the cycle of Chaos and Order. Sigmarines are reforged mortals who live only to destroy Chaos.

>>49237218
According to the Lexicanum

"Stormcast Eternals were once mortal heroes, plucked from countless battlefields to undergo a series of long and agonizing trials[4b] in the Realm of Azyr. Reforged by this process, both in body and mind, they emerged as immortal golden warriors.[1][2] Such is their physical transformation that they tower over mortal men[4a] and lighting runs through their veins. Their armor is reforged from the enchanted remains of the world-that-was.[4b]"

>>49237383
>>49237218
No no.

The Star Drakes and Dracoths have sexes and genders. However, what you seems to have confused you is the fact that they can reincarnate. When they die, these souls go to High Azyr to be reborn.

>giant star dragon

There is no cycle and Dracothian is a being of Azyr and Order.

>>49237383
>the dragons are asexually reproducing children of a giant star dragon that's outside the cycle of Chaos and Order

...huh.

>>49237075

Good question. Is there any repository where the results are kept?

>>49237075
44% in favor of the new idea, around 20% in favour of current endhammer and 20% in favour of going with the end times canon

>>49237614

What's the consensus on the results? Do we go with the highest percentage, or revote until we get a 50%+ majority?

>>49236445
>Man o War

Did anyone play Man'o'War back in the day? How does it compare to Dreadfleet? Is Dreadfleet any good?

Any WFRP players on care to share their adventures?

>>49236688
>The Hammerhands
>The Gore Children
Pretty much sums up the AoS demographic

>>49234995
Endhammer is a nice idea on concept , but it's destined to fail because is flawed from the start.

>>49237790
"Vladfag" here, I say just leave it. 44% is the majority, and I've come to learn That in any situation involving voting there will always be people unhappy with the results. But such is democracy.


Also I find it funny how "vladfag" ended up sticking when I mentioned him in all of 2 posts. One was basically a "why is this competition for the emperor position between 2 teenagers when elector count Vlad is the strongest snd most competent one, who shouldn't be hand waved as a minor threat because gelt is containing him for some reason." The second was just a sarcastic "well if the empire split what's stopping them from getting BTFO by Vlad?" I mean the dude did singlehandedly turn 2 crushing empire defeats into victories. I mostly complain about the schism and Ulthuan sinking, I never brought up Vlad after those posts.

>>49238171
I have a lot but unfortunately I have stuff to do. Keep an eye on future threads, I might post some.

>>49238185
>Bloodthirster
>bloodletter
Fucking stupid, so edgy
>corpse cart
>necrosphinx
>helblaster
>plagueclaw catapult
>ironguts
Holy shit these are so bad
>anvil of doom
>screaming bell of doom
>Mortis engine
>screaming skull catapult
>ripperdactyl
>keeper of secrets
>great unclean one
It's like they aren't even trying, holy shit AoS is so bad, I prefer the totally unique yet grounded warhammer fantasy names

>>49238376

I..can't tell if you're insulting AoS, Warhammer, being sarcastic or are just confused.

>>49238218

Probably because the Vlad conundrum is a valid question.

OR you're not Vladfag.

>>49238506
I think someone from /vg/ was spamming Vlad around the time I mentioned it, and everyone assumed we were the same person so it stuck.

Fantasy names were just as bad as AoS, it's just they were around for longer so we got used to it. Fantasy settings in general have some pretty ridiculous names if you're gonna be autistic about it, it's really a non complaint that only comes up when people need a longer list of things to bitch about

>>49238568
We're all anonymous here, dude. Nobody thinks you're anyone.

As for the names - I don't think he was poking fun at AoS names, just that a lot of AoS players play Sigmarines and Khorne. Which is understandable, given they were some of the first new models out.

Anyone In favor of getting rid of the End times super plagues that nurgles forces used to BTFO 3 major imperial cities In less than a day? If cities are going to fall is prefer it to be after a hard fought seige, not "holy shit our defenses have been completely wiped out by magic that's never been encountered before, and now we're outnumbered 10:1 by chaos warriors and daemons"

>>49238644

I'd like to keep the plague, but have it just hit the old, weak and infirm. After a major siege, a lot of people injured but still capable of fighting and then - bam - plague hits and every open wound becomes infected. Doesn't just wipe out cities, but does cripple them.

Let the plagues keep their claws, but just trim them a little.

>>49238644
>Here's Talabheim
>A fuckhuge city in a crater
>Can't even be properly sieged since it's so huge it has it's farms protected inside it's natural walls
>Nurgle just turns it into a pus volcano and everyone dies :^)
That was damn lame and anticlimatic, It may be worth bringing it up for discussion

>>49238729
Why did the gods have such an active role in the End Times event?

>>49238723
They Already had to deal with plagues like that, I'm talking about the ones that were so anticlimactic and over the top that it was just bad story telling. Marienburg has the best sea defense in the old world, a wall built by dwarfs? Nope, plague eats through all of it in minutes, everyone dies. Then there's the talabheim problem >>49238729 mentioned, it was really, really dumb. The altdorf one can't happen because we aren't doing the incarnates, so no Sigmar returning in the flesh and disappating it. It allowed to happen the garden of nurgle would have overtaken the whole empire.

>>49238835
The minor gods intervening directly wasn't too bad. Nurgle and Khorne Personally intervening severa times just kind of made it seem hopeless. Worse examples were the nurgle exterminatus plagues and nurgle saving his forces ass at the battles I. Sylvannia, which by all accounts should have been by far the hardest region of the world to attack at that point.

>>49238892
Having literal gods rock up just feels so...un-Warhammer.

>>49234960
>hexagonical squares
boy

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>>49239183
We knew what he meant.

>>49239183
it was 7 in the morning go easy on me

>>49238835
You don't have to bother thinking of a justification for divine action

Lazy writing at it's finest

>>49237996
Man O was fun, the vidya is only conceptually based on it, it is very good but is in early alpha so in its current state its more of a demo. Check again in a year.

>>49237614
What was the new idea?
>>49238568
Yeah, AoS names are far worse.
"Duardin". "Soulblights". "Deathrattlers".

Its like the fucking names they give to enemy recolors in Final Fantasy or WoW.

Also, what the fuck is up with "Aelves"? They can't copyright it.

>>49237055
I don't have an account so I can't vote - but personally, I think that they could have a little armor. Quilted cloth, maybe some leather, something! Not just clothing.

>>49240492
I like how some dude complained about Total Warjhammer but is totally fine bringing up AoS.

THERE IS NO AOS IN THIS THREAD. There's a whole 'nother thread for their ugly models and stupid fluff.

Total Warhammer is fine. Just be considerate if people say you're flooding the thread.

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How much of a threat are beastmen to the Empire?

They can ruin trade caravans or villages, but I feel like a large city, or arguably even a small castle, would be outside of their means to siege or destroy.

>>49241021
Pretty much.
Beastmen are a minor faction incapable of much except tagging along with others. Like Goblins, but weaker.

>>49240492
http://pastebin.com/HiNt3L2Y

new idea for the elves.

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Karl Franz has ascended to the Emperor's Throne at a turbulent time in the empire. His election has been fraught with a lot of bickering,and only through deft political maneuvering and the backing of The grand theogonist has he secured the throne of the empire. Several challenges lie before him even as he tries to unite the empire under a common banner.

The celestial college has heard disturbing reports coming from the far north, beyond the sea of claws. Reports from sylvania and stirland say that the ancient seat of the vampires Castle Drakenhof stirs with unholy magicks once more.

Yet he must first unite reikland if he is to secure a base of power.

>Karl Franz with the reiksguard at the battle of Helmgart. Helmgart was where the rebel forces under Hans zintler were concentrated and the destruction of their forces and the capture of the town all but ended the rebellion.


if the discussion of vidya triggers you, filter me out.

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The campaign to rid reikland of the rebels is far more successful than it had any right to be. Buoyed by his success at the battle of Helmgart, the forces of reikland cross the border into the wasteland and take marienburg by storm. With the fall of marienburg, the westerland petty counts are quick to sue for piece with the Emperor, and for the first time in many years, Marienburg is once more part of the empire.

The campaign has other repercussions. Since there were no formal declarations of war, Karl Franz's diplomatic reputation takes a hit, and he is accused of being a tavern brawler by Boris todbringer.

However, the empire gains influence abroad. The duchy of bastonne, a bretonnian fiefdom has been hard beset by it's larger neighbours. Seeing as they have been all but abandoned, Bohemond asks karl franz for aid.

>the state of the empire, it's allies and it's enemies.

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>the imperial forces stationed in Marienburg. An expdition is being planned to destroy the orc fortress at Grung zint by storm.

>>49238835
GW are hacks.

>>49241331
The more I read about endhammer the less I like it. Why would you individually establish each faction in a setting like WF driven by the conflict between them?

>>49242018
there is less inherent conflict between Tyrion Malekith and Imrik than in the Original Darkelf vs Highelf setting.

there is no disputed ground between them anymore, so anyone can fight everyone else for any other reason.

>>49241021
Not much. The main threat is that they are basically a 5th column that can join with an invading chaos army.

Exactly how tall is a giant? 3 meters? 4?

>>49237176
I like the models. They are great for representing a Star dragon while the snake like vanilla dragon would be used to represent a moon dragon and the forge world encarmine dragon would be for a sun dragon.

>>49242114
there was always a reason for each of the factions to fight their own faction. High elves vs high elves was the least likely to happen but you didn't need to destroy Ulthuan just to make that work.

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>karl franz looks at the orc host appraising it while his army marches into position.

>>49242332
that was not the purpose of destroying Ulthuan.

of 62 people, well over 50 were in favour of Ulthuan sinking. I just altered the way and reason why.

>>49242181
Dude, ogres are 3 meters tall

Giants are at least 8 meters tall, with truly gigantic ones hitting 20 meters and more

>>49242359
My problem is people who don't play the army voting on it. To some people, Elf hate isn't a meme.

>>49242359
The only option for Ulthuan not sinking in that poll was "lol literally nothing happens, elves sit out the endtimes" that's not exactly representative of all reasonable choices. There was no option for your (I'm assuming you're new elf guy?) scenario but with Ulthuan remaining. So I had to pick your idea because it was better than the elves doing nothing. Still hate the idea of Ulthuan sinking though and I still think the Caledonian succession feels a bit forced

>>49242442
62 votes on a poll in a board that barely gets 40 posters, most of the votes are lurkers or samefags going on their computer and phone. Even most of the posters in this general ignore Endhammer, it's really about 5-7 guys who actually contribute and discuss

>>49242442
everyone gets to vote on every army. Dwarfs will have to withstand the scrutiny of elf players aswell.

>>49242467
the main points are Tyrion being King and Malekith taking the Widowmaker, the exact level of Ulthuans destruction is not set in stone, however, I want you to take a look at the situation and then you'll find that Ulthuan is by this point nothing but a burden on the High Elf faction, and having a strong, resurgent Base in the Old World brings a fresh wind to the eternal "we are doomed to fade boohoo" bullshit.

>>49242573
it was voted on over the entire weekend. The threads get about 90 unique posters in prime time.

>>49242584
>Malekith taking the Widowmaker,

Toy do know that Malekith in the Sundering series and the Curse of Khaine refused to take the Widowmaker when it was right there in front of him? It was a good character moment that showed that he had some nobility in him and that he didn't want what happened to his father happen to him.

Why do you have to ruin characters like that?

>>49242584
Elf players don't hate Dwarfs. Just cannons.

>>49242705
It's called Character Development, since Ulthuan is doomed, there's no point trying to become King, but there's a chance to keep Naggaroth before losing everything.

>shoehorning tyrion to be avatar of khaine is okay ... because

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While the orcs are defeated at grung zint, the Emperor's domains are far from secure. Emil Van Korden, the lord opposing karl franz in marienburg has resurfaced in the wasteland. He will undoubtedly try to raise another army to retake marienburg. The empire needs to get it's finances in order to crush him in detail. To this end, the castellan engineer Johann Pappenheimer is put in charge of another army to defend the empire.
The expanding empire will require a strong hand to ensure funds are not misused, and an upjumped burgher is exactly that.

question here. What would a defensive empire state troop army be composed of? From what I have been able to gather, gunpowder is relatively rare, and so is artillery. On the other hand I don't want to spend all my money on it and go broke trying to defend my land.

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>>49242584
Ulthuan a burden? Seriously, you expect me to think destroying their homeland and entire purpose for existing is supposed to be liberating and refreshing to them? You think they're going to do better in the old world where they have to build all their infrastructure from the ground up and have to deal with attacks from undead, beastmen, skaven, humans and greenskins? Man, this is worse than I thought

>>49241021
>They can ruin trade caravans or villages, but I feel like a large city, or arguably even a small castle, would be outside of their means to siege or destroy.

Did you miss the part in the army book where they besieged castles and ruined two Imperial provinces? They even have a create called ram-something which acts as living ram to break down castles and whatever. The army book says the only reason Bret land weren't overrun and annilated by the Beastmen is because these ram creatures are rare in their lands.

Do I need to beat you death with the Beastmen army book until you learn? I understand asking about vague or unclear thing but asking about basic stuff that can be learned by just opening army books is just being lazy.

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>>49242584
>Ulthuan is by this point nothing but a burden on the High Elf faction

Ulthuan is the identity of the faction. High Elves have no prupose other than defending Ulthuan.

Its like killing Sigmar and the church to make the Empire reach its full potential. You comically missed the point and killed the identity of the army so you, someone who doesn't play them, feel more interested.

Just give Ulthuan world roots and remove the magic protection so anyone can get there if you want.

Tomb Kings are a much bigger problem. Its impossible for non-Undead factions to reach their main territories, and extremely difficult to reach any at all.

>>49242758
>>shoehorning tyrion to be avatar of khaine is okay ... because

Because he has the Curse of Aenarion and his blood boils with the rage of Khaine.

Malekith mastered his rage to the point that not even Khornate rage can affect him. He is the cold blade of vengeance. Also he saw what the Widowmaker made of his father. He doesn't want that fate for himself or those under him. He wants to remain himself and not be a slave to the sword and Khaine. He isn't a dumbass.

Obviously you don't know anything about characters and your character development translates to "How do I miss the point of the characters and ruin them". Disgusting.

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The imperial forces are ready to leave the empire to aid their ailing allies in bretonnia. A brayherd of beastmen is laying waste to the pastures and fields of bastonne, and Karl Franz must aid his new vassals. Perhaps in time he may even be able to bring the bretonnians closer to the empire than they had ever been before.

Meanwhile, the capture and reconstruction of marienburg has led to several dispossessed peasants and a few bretonnian serfs into the empire lands. They are in search of more opportunities to work and the able bodied can be put into the defensive army led by Pappenheimer.

>>49242840
Tyrion is also the heir descendant of Aenarion, and has Asuryan's blessing.
Malekith is literally stated in lore to be too full of hate and pride to march his army around a gate during an invasion when he repeatedly lost enture armies against a gate that has never fallen because he wants a symbolic victory.

Nothing ever stated prior to End Times that Malekith had anything resembling self control and many times indicated the opposite.

Tyrion by contrast spent the greater part of his of three books mastering the Curse.

So between the two characters blessed by lineage by both Khaind and Asuryan, Tyrion has character development rejecting the Curse and embracing his role as the champion of Ulthuan while Malekith has only ever pursued war and never once had anything resembling character development.

>>49242782
Well, spears and shields for a good frontline, outriders flanking, and crossbows for ranged. Should be a solid enough core for a garrison army. I don't know how loreful that is.

>>49242911
>accepting migrants

>>49242812
>someone who doesn't play them
first off, nice projection going on.

>Ulthuan is the identity of the faction. High Elves have no prupose other than defending Ulthuan.
you have a very narrow understanding of what the High Elves are about

Ulthuan has been a prison for the High Elves ever since the Vortex was established, they are bound to decline as long as they protect it, they were either doomed to extinction, or start fresh.

>>49242840
>Because he has the Curse of Aenarion
unlike Malekith

>Malekith mastered his rage
but not his bitterness, it seems

>He doesn't want that fate for himself or those under him
So he chose Khaine as the head deity of Dark Elves instead

>He wants to remain himself
he wanted to be King, for several thousand years everything he did was to achieve that goal, great character arc.

>Obviously you don't know anything about characters and your character development translates to "How do I miss the point of the characters and ruin them"
Obviously you didn't even know the first thing about Dark Elves, and are spouting your headcanon out of your ass.

>>49242784
>Ulthuan a burden? Seriously, you expect me to think destroying their homeland and entire purpose for existing
A Migration often leads to greatness, especially if the place you're migrating from killed your birthrate.

>>49242794
I've never heard of these ram-somethings.

>>49242114
>there is less inherent conflict between Tyrion Malekith and Imrik than in the Original Darkelf vs Highelf setting.

Only because you take as a starting point that Ulthuan is gone, killing their first an main motivations, wich is a kick in the balls for any elf (high or dark) player invested in the lore or with a thematical (regional) army.

Not that it really matters though because the proyect as a whole is doomed since it's conception for several reasons in my opinion.

>>49242992
>So he chose Khaine as the head deity of Dark Elves instead

What does that have to do with anything? He doesn't worship Khaine. Same as his mother. They both are just using the cult of Khaine for political reasons to cement heir rule.

>he wanted to be King, for several thousand years everything he did was to achieve that goal, great character arc.

And when the Widowmaker was offered to him he rfused it despite it was a sure why to being a king.

>Obviously you didn't even know the first thing about Dark Elves, and are spouting your headcanon out of your ass.

Fuck off.

>unlike Malekith

His branch doesn't seem afflicted by it.

>>49242918
I think you missed the part where Tyrion was slipping into rage and blew up on the dwarfs in 8th ED.

brb posting excepts from novels and bbooks because clearly people are not reading them.

>>49243081
a sure way*

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>>49243052
look famalam, the whole project is to fix the mess that End Times left on Endhammer, Ulthuan is already fucked there, the ENTIRE Elven race is fucked there and literally concentrated into one abomination of a faction in the Loren Forest, all I do is damage control, you don't like the Idea of Ulthuan being gone? well fuck, there's a lot of people who are not, but if you are such a Lore Guru, please go ahead and present your Take on the matter, but the way I see it, I was the person who restarted the entire Dialogue in the first place, because all of you "but muh UUUUULTHUUUAAAN" babbies didn't even give enough of a shit to write a paragraph up until I brought it up, so sincerely, eat a dick and propose improvements, instead of empty complaints.

Thats the reason despite it being announced for well over two weeks in advance, the best thing your camp came up with for the vote was "Nothing Happen", well, have fun with that.

>Malekith came to a wide, flat expanse near to the centre of the Blighted Isle. Here jagged black rocks veined with lines of red thrust up into the ruddy skies like a circle of columns. The ground within was as flat as glass and black as midnight. At the centre there stood a block of red-veined rock and something only partly visible shimmered above it. This was clearly the Shrine of Khaine, but as Malekith looked around he could see no sign of his father’s resting place nor any remains of Indraugnir. They must have come here, for Aenarion had returned the Sword of Khaine to the very altar close to which Malekith now stood.

>Even as his thoughts touched upon the Godslayer, there came to Malekith’s ears a distant noise: a faint screaming. Now that it had attracted his attention, the prince looked at the Altar of Khaine more closely. As he did so, the sounds around him intensified. The screams of agony were joined by howls of horror. The ring of metal on metal, of fighting, echoed around the shrine. Malekith heard a thunderous heart beating, and thought he saw knives carving wounds upon flesh and limbs torn from bodies on the edge of his vision.

>The red veins of the altar were not rock at all, but pulsed like arteries, blood flowing from the altar stone in spurting rivers of gore. He realised that the beating heart was his own, and it hammered in his chest like a swordsmith working at an anvil.

>A keening sound, like a note sung by a sword’s edge as it cuts the air, rang in Malekith’s ears. It was not unpleasant, and he listened to it for a while, drawn by its siren call to take step after step closer to the altar. Finally, the prince of Nagarythe stood transfixed before that bloody shrine just as his father Aenarion had been.

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Meanwhile Pappenheimer has been hard at work trying to make sure that the provinces build their infrastructure as cheaply as possible.

Since marienburg was lost to the empire, it became a city of pirates, whores and elves. One of the most infamous group of denizens were van Klumpf's buccaneers who terrorized boats on the reich and caused much havoc to trade.

Now out of a job, the scum are recruited by Johann Pappenheimer to put a stop to their raids and let the trade flow. While it seems suspiciously like a protection racket to the burghers who ply their wares on the reik, it allows the Reiklandwehr to spend less time patrolling the river and bolsters their numbers with greedy, but effective soldiers.

>>49242957
>not wanting the 15 growth and 10% recruitment reduction.
>impying the -3 public order is relevant when mankind is threatened by beastmen and orcs
>>49242926
I am using empire of sigmar so I have access to a lot of fluffy units and RoRs. I want to make a fluffy army to defend the reik with.

>>49242573
Don't lie because you're unpopular.

>>49243142
>The thing embedded in the rock shimmered before Malekith’s eyes, a blur of axe and sword and spear. Finally a single image emerged, of a bulbous mace studded with gems. Malekith was confused, for this was no weapon, but rather reminded him of the ornamental sceptres often carried by other princes. It seemed very similar to the one borne by Bel Shanaar when he had visited the colonies.

>It was then that the meaning came to Malekith. All of Ulthuan would be his weapon. Unlike his father, he needed neither sword nor spear to destroy his foes. He would have the armies of an entire nation in his grasp, and would wield them however he pleased. If he but took up Khaine’s sceptre, there would be none that could oppose him. Like a vision, the future unfolded before Malekith.

>He would return to Ulthuan and go to Tor Anroc, and there cast down the gates of the Phoenix King. He would offer up the body of Bel Shanaar to Khaine and become undisputed ruler of the elves. He would reign for eternity as the bloody right hand of the God of Murder. Death would stalk in his shadow as he brought ruination to the empire of the dwarfs, for such was the power of the elves that they need not share the world with any other creature. Beastmen were put to the sword by their thousands, and the carcasses of orcs and goblins spitted upon poles lined the roads of his empire for hundreds of miles.

>Malekith laughed as he saw the rude villages of humans being put to the torch, their menfolk tossed onto pyres, their women with their hearts ripped out, whole families with their heads dashed in upon the bloodied rocks. Like an unstoppable tide, the elves would conquer all that lay before them, until Malekith presided over an empire that covered the entire globe and the fumes of the sacrificial fires blotted out the sun. Malekith was carried forwards on a giant palanquin made from the bones of his vanquished enemies, a river of blood pouring out before him.

>>49243162
>‘No!’ cried Malekith, breaking his gaze from the sceptre and hurling himself face-first to the rocky ground.

>He lay there for a long while, eyes screwed shut, his heart pounding, his breathing ragged and heavy. Slowly he calmed himself, and opened an eye. There seemed to be nothing amiss. There was no blood or fire. There was nothing but silent rock and the hiss of the wind.

>The last rays of the day bathed the shrine in orange, and Malekith pushed himself to his feet and staggered from the circle, not daring to look back at the altar. Knowing that his father would not be found, Malekith gathered his senses as best he could and made for the boat, never once looking back.

>>49242782
If you want to survive the chaos invasions you are going to need artillery and gunners to decimate their units before the clash as every chaos unit is one by one better than yours.

My late game armies on very hard difficulty where:

lord
captain
4 greatswords
6 halbediers
3 gunners (or 2 gunners and the ligh cavalry with armor piercing)
2 demigryph
1 helblaster
2 cannon

Always trying to move gunners to the flank once the mele starts.

>>49243141
They didn't even come up with that. I offered "nothing happens" because they literally came up with nothing. I figured I should give them the option though.

>>49242992
>Ulthuan has been a prison for the High Elves ever since the Vortex was established, they are bound to decline as long as they protect it, they were either doomed to extinction, or start fresh.
Nice head canon there m8

>The memory was so vivid that Malekith could hear his father’s soft yet strong voice echoing around the throne room. The prince was but a child, sat in the lap of his mother beside the Phoenix King, and Aenarion would occasionally pause in his conversation and look down upon his son. Always stern was that look: not unkind, yet not compassionate either, but full of pride. For years Malekith had gazed back at those strong, dark eyes and seen the fires that raged behind their quiet dignity. Malekith imagined that he alone knew the sinister spirit that hid within, clothed in the body of a noble monarch, masked against the eyes of the world lest it be recognised for what it truly was.

>The soul of a destroyer, the wielder of the Godslayer.

>And the sword! There across the Phoenix King’s lap lay Widowmaker, Soulbiter, the Sword of Khaine. Even at a young age, Malekith had noticed that only he and his father ever looked upon its blood-red blade, for all other elves averted their gaze and would look anywhere else but directly at it. It was like a secret shared between them.

>‘Yet you did not pick up the Blade of Murder when it was offered to you,’ said Morathi, dispelling the illusion that had so gripped her son.

>Malekith shook his head, confused by the enchantment cunningly wrought upon him by his mother. Truly they were real memories she had stirred, but her spell had made them as tangible as life, if only for a moment.

>‘I did not,’ replied Malekith, slowly, realising that Morathi had seen into his thoughts and learned of his episode on the Blighted Isle, of which he had spoken to nobody.

>‘That is good,’ said Morathi.

>>49243177
I went gunline and it worked really well.

Lord
4 gunners
2 greatswords
4 halberds
2 mortars
2 tanks
2 reiksguard (battlechickens are gay)
2 volley guns
1 mage, priest, or whatever.

>>49243216
>She was sitting in stately pose, despite her near-nudity, and exuded regal poise. Not here the barbarous priestess who tore living hearts from the breasts of her victims, not the seductive, wily seeress who wove lies with every word and manipulated all around her into a tapestry to her liking. Here she was as queen of Nagarythe, full of quiet majesty and grandeur.

>‘The sword controlled your father,’ the queen said, her tone hushed, reassuring. ‘Since his death, it has yearned for you to seek it out. I was worried that you would be ensnared by its power as well, but I am proud that you resisted its bloodthirsty call. None can truly be its master, and if you are to rule, then you must be master of everything.’

>‘I would rather the world devoured by daemons than unleash that fell creation upon the world again,’ Malekith said, sheathing Avanuir. ‘As you say, once drawn it will consume its wielder until nothing but blood remains. No person can become a king with its power, only a slave.’

From his word himself. Malekith would never unleash the sword even if the worst happened. It would destroy him and make him its slave, Malekith is no one's slave.

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Starting with a full blown rebellion in his lands threatening to end his reign before it began, Karl Franz has come a long way. People wonder if he is truly as skilled as he seems. Boris Todbringer argues that Karl Franz has just been lucky that Marienburg was undefended and he has wasted imperial lives while intervening in bretonnia.

Boris is more right than most. Among his most treasured possessions is a luck stone that karl franz had found in his father's possession. Or perhaps its just a shiny stone and he makes his own fate.

>>49243177
m8., I have beaten the campaign plenty of times before. Right now I am trying to make sure the empire survives intact instead of becoming a dank confederation of red while I have unlimited money and make armies with 19 steam tanks and KF.

>>49243234
Malkith didn't draw the Blade to make himself a King, but in the perspectivbe of a World Ending Chaos invasion, he drew it to become Khaines Avatar, to embrace his destiny.

Times Change.

>>49243234
This was why the old Endhammer Elves was always my preference. But I lost the vote.

C'est la vie.

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In a diplomatic coup. Karl franz secures his hold on the empire. Boris todbringer had staked a huge portion of his city's wealth on his attempt to become the emperor. Those debts have come to bite middenland in the rear.

Karl Franz suggests a secret pact. The bretonnian tribute he extracted from his foray across the grey mountains will go a long way in saving boris's prestige. In return, boris will outwardly curse karl franz's name and lend support to any rebellion against the empire. But the midden wolves shall remain loyal to the emperor, before Boris todbringer.

Chastened, the graf of middenheim agrees and puts his signature to the parchment.

Karl Franz is triumphant and is free to pursue the war against the westerlanders once more.

Also, a lore question. When did the bretonnians and empire first become aware of each other's presence?

>>49243391
Early days. Aware, but not in contact, since the time of Sigmar, I reckon.

>>49243391
Since forever. The tribes of the empire in the Age of Sigmar knew about the Bret tribes. Some of them considered them to be girly.

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Karl Franz leads the imperial army and the reiklandwehr into the wasteland around gorssel and demands that they submit to his authority. Seeing the size of his army, the burgomeisters and petty lords are quick to surrender. The province of Westerland is reborn, and fated to remain a rump province. Marienburg will be part of Reikland from now on.

As a token of surrender, Karl Franz is given an enchanted mask said to terrify all that look upon it's visage. It will be a great thing to use in war.

The western empire, stretching from Middenheim to Pfeidorf now swear loyalty to Franz.

>>49237468
Everything fucking reborns or resurrects in that setting, added to the endless lands... It is literally Planes of Safe Space: The Gorehammerdeath Bugaloo.

>>49238376
>>49238568
There are some dumb names in WHFB, but there definitely aren't whole armies of Gorechosen with Goreaxes or Bloodrippers with Bloodfists, nor Stormcasts with Stormshields of Stormpower.

You never go full retard, and AoS has jumped off the cliff.

Also, what's wrong with corpse cart, keeper of secrets or great unclean one?

>Aleguzzler Gargant
>Deathrattle
>Duardin

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>>49243288
>yes yes, change for the sake of change is good
>sink Ulthuan, split the empire. All is going according to plan

>>49243482
this, Warhammer always had silly names, but AoS went full OC Donutsteel Trademark shit.

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>>49243809
>check out this setting set after the End Times, by the way, everythings exactly the same it was before the End Times.

>>49243143
>impying the -3 public order is relevant when mankind is threatened by beastmen and orcs

Man I dunno about you but with that kind of threat lurking the last thing *I* want is my populace edging further towards full chimpout.

>>49243052
The problem with endhammer is that they think they're fixing the end times when really they're making their own endtimes where retarded shit still happens, it's just different retarded shit. and factions behave in ways they shouldn't for the sake of heavy handed character developement because they have to be drastically different in order for it to make sense. Which is all pretty dumb IMO

Fixing the endtimes would be undoing all the retarded shit that was out of character in the original ET and instead having the factions act like they normally should have.

>>49243875
-3/4 public order is nothing in most cases provided you have armies near your "Trouble Spots" to protect them.

Also FUCK the deceptive nature of march orders after razing, I accidentally put an army into march when it could not actually move at all and got assblasted by Grimgor because all my troops were winded. And the worst part is even the autosave can't help me. That army had my pimped out Wight King too.

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>All these elf posters
Y'all mothafuckas need chaos

>>49244028
Chaos elves? Why not!

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As a peace comes over the empire, karl franz realizes that given the magnitude of the threats that the empire faces, having multiple levied armies will deplete the empire's manpower reserves when the time comes. The empire wil bleed to death by a thousand and one cuts because it will be toppled by chaos when the time comes.

Instead he institutes a reform. Most of the imperial soldiers will protect their own provinces with the help of garrisons. Karl Franz will raise a new army that is better trained and equipped than before to deal with the threats the empire will face.

Several knightly orders agree to his plans, and begin to send their regiments to muster at eilhart. Soon it will be time to take the battle to the foes of the empire.

>>49243216
lets pause a minute and enjoy Morathi playing a moral authority, the woman who tried to summon Slaanesh into the world.
congratulating Malekith on not drawing the Widowmaker.

A timeless classic.

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>>49243141

> I was the person who restarted the entire Dialogue in the first place, because all of you "but muh UUUUULTHUUUAAAN" babbies...

I have 5 armies with my brothers, HE is the only "elven" one, we bought it the last and between all of us because no one liked the faction enough to pay for it alone. Thats how "but muh UUUUULTHUUUAAAN" I am. But you can project all you want if it makes you feel better, in the end it's completely irrelevant because EoT effectively killed WF in the most insulting way, and there's basically nothing you (I, we, pick what you want) can do about it.

Without a content creator with full authority and the last word over the fictional setting there's no actual canon, without a canon people will argue about the "meta" layer instead of the fictional one and if they don't agree (and they won't because everyone has a different vision) they will just discard everything they don't like, making the whole project useless.


Also this

>>49243945

>>49242992
>Ulthuan has been a prison for the High Elves ever since the Vortex was established, they are bound to decline as long as they protect it, they were either doomed to extinction, or start fresh.

What? Elves as a race were never meant to leave Ulthuan. Dark and Wood are deviations.

Also, Ulthuan is literally High Elves. It is what defines them, they are the original unchanged Elves.

You don't take Ulthuan from High Elves, any more than you take the Underdark from Drow. That's their central defining identity.

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Karl franz leads his army to bretonnia and is able to force parravon and Carcassone to agree to his demands. Their rights will be respected and they will govern their realm as they see fit, but they must bend the knee to Karl Franz.

It is a matter of note that with this peace secured, bretonnia is now all but divided between vassal states of the Empire, and Free bretonnia, led by Leon Lencour and their vassals of Lyonesse.

With the right application of force, Karl Franz has done what several emperors have failed to do before. Bretonnia is now all but a province of the empire.

>>49243081
Since when is Elves being cunts to Dwarfs new, or unique to Tyrion?

He didn't "blow up" at them, he told them to fuck off because he didn't think he needed their help. That's arrogance, which is not Khaine's portfolio.

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As bretonnia becomes a client state of the empire, the Celestial college's diviners come upon horrifying news. The forces of chaos are on the march. The norscans make ready for war. It may simply be a norscan chieftain trying to carve out a petty kingdom in kislev or sack empire coasts, or it may be the trickle that becomes a flood of chaos.

>>49244344
>He didn't "blow up" at them, he told them to fuck off because he didn't think he needed their help. That's arrogance, which is not Khaine's portfolio.

No, he was enraged at the dwarfs when it wasn't their fault. The Elves tried to calm him down.

>>49243141
Your poll was shit. You needed plural polls.

>Should Elves exist somewhere as one race?
>Should there still be Wood/Dark/High Elves not united somewhere?
>Do the homelands survive, and how much of them survive?
>Do the three Elf races get new colonies in the Old World?
>What happens to Malekith?
>What happens to Tyrion?
>What happens to Ariel?
>What happens to Alarielle?
>What happens to Orion?
>What happens to Morathi?


One poll with only three options was fucking stupid.

I'll redo it myself this weekend if you're so inept.

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>>49243142
>>49243162
>>49243170
That's not character developmemt you fucking dumbass, that's a prophesy of his evil future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMhX0iWUes

>>49244427
you do that.

>>49244185
I ahve a compromise for this Ulthuan shit. Uthuan shatters and goes crashing against the other continents at various points, somehow gaining roots to the seabed without having to hop onto the land. (Maybe something about piercing magma vents so the water below them gets filled with lava that cools into new roots? If fragments hit places with less well defined maps like Lustria, Nags, Araby and the Southlands they can just "Ride up" onto the land and crush whatever's beneath them I guess to make it more grim.

Boom the high elves have the same amoutn of land as before, more direct land borders with other nations and even MORE need for their strong navy due to the great distances between their homes.

>>49243234
Now go read Sons If Ellyrion where Tyrion struggled against bloodlust for twenty pages until his love for his brother and his people freed him from Khaine's voice.

If you want to take the two as permanent, then neither should fall to Khaine.

I guess make Hellebron or Eldyra get the Widowmaker. I mean, nothing says a son of Aenarion has to get it. Elves before Aenarion had taken it after all.

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>>49243835
>Trying to fix what made End Times shit.
>Almost all of the same shit happens except the killing blow.

>>49244393
This somehow equates to being literally worse than Hitler?

That's George Lucas tier writing. "If we show him angry everyone will know he's becoming evil."

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Ok, this is my karl franz stack that I am sending to norsca to brutalize the monsters.
How lore accurate is this?

>>49244322
Ever since the Vortex was established High Elves began colonising the World, The Sundering and the War of the Beard were just catalysts for Elves permanently establishing outside of it.

In the original End Times, Ulthuan is destroyed by the desloving of the Vortex, in the alternate version, Ulthuan is destroyed by the supercharging of the Vortex, which denies Chaos victory, but also has a similar effect on the Island.

Look champ, I didn't invent the idea of Ulthuan being destroyed, I simply made the best out of it and created a pure High Elven Faction outside of Ulthuan.

For all I care you can go with the current Endhammer/ End Times route and have Malekith the Superking rule the Skub Host in Athel Loren.

>>49244597
Little light on Reiksguard.

And what mod gives four cannons per battery instead of 3 aside from Radious?

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>karl franz, protected by his reiksguard watches as the empire cannons begin to open fire upon the norscan raiders.

>>49244623
There's no reason for a High Elves faction if there's no Ulthuan imo. What's the point of that faction, what makes them wake up from the bed every day?

>>49244625
Ultra settings gives you 4 cannons per unit

>>49244840
Ultra settings?

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The reiksguard is strictly KF's bodyguard. Don't want him taking damage. also >>49244840

>imperial artillery making short work of the chaos forces in it's firing line.

>>49244855
Unit size, ultra. Inside graphical options. You have to start a new campaign to see the changes, or custom battle.

>>49244855
He means biggest unit size, all the units have bigger numbers in the highest settings.

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>>49244826
There's finally a future for the Elven race, a bright future. They hold their own fate now. If you reduce the High Elves to Ulthuan, you are completely missing the point of their faction, they were willing to die out protecting Ulthuan for the sake of the World, to protect the Vortex from Chaos, to protect all life. Now that burden has lifted from them, and they can go out and seek a new purpose, fight Chaos on their own terms.

What makes them get up every day? A new tomorrow, every elf is driven by a desire for glory and exploration, conquest and happiness.

The narrow view of a faction you employ is the same mindset that lead to Warhammer being killed off in the first place, and the new Abomination of One-Dimensional Characters and Factions we are blessed with in Age of Shitmar.

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>the imperial halberd and shot lines cut down the beastly norscans in droves.

>>49234995
What are you talking about, End Times TOTALLY ignored the extremely important fate of the indian beastmen. That shit is fundemental!

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the battle is over soon after. and the settlement is razed. The imperial forces will lose more to the weather than to the foe, but such is the price of war.

>>49244530
>Now go read Sons If Ellyrion where Tyrion struggled against bloodlust for twenty pages until his love for his brother and his people freed him from Khaine's voice.

The kidnap and death of Daughteru caused him to fall back in line.

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>>49245012
What you're basically complaining about is that some nerds are having fun with a fringe detail of the setting, and instead having fun, they should be slaving away to flesh out the parts of the world YOU'd rather see developed, instead of finding likeminded people and fleshing it out yourself.

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Morale is high as the imperial forces keep moving further inland. Beyond Pack Ice bay, and towards icedrak fjord where the next settlement of the norscans is located.

Can anyone suggest a tune to listen to while marching in a frozen wasteland and killing chaos fucking shits?

Any Bretlovers here? My players are gonna disembark at l'Anguille soon, and I have zero ideas on how to make their stay interesting before they set sail again.

>>49245394
make it a bet less than stereotypical bretonnia. Show them more of a class of merchants and other educated serfs who are traders and bureaucrats rather than dirt farmers.

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Do you guys still do tabletop discussion? I can't decide between a Hellflayer or Exalted Seeker Chariot.
I play 9th Age.

Any advice?

>>49245053
So End Times was a complete mess that made the character go full retard Blizzard style in other words.

Because she wasn't his daughter in the 8e Army Book.

>>49244931
That's literally not how High Elves work, dumbass.

You killed High Elves and created a new race of Elves that interest you.

Make it a new group that establish a new kingdom if you love it so much. Don't kill everyone else's army for your ship.

Besides, if you wanted the Aldmeri Dominion you're playing the wrong game.

>>49244931
>The narrow view of a faction you employ is the same mindset that lead to Warhammer being killed off in the first place, and the new Abomination of One-Dimensional Characters and Factions we are blessed with in Age of Shitmar.

No, change for the sake of change, fuck all of the past-the same attitude you employ-resulted in Age Of Shitfuck.

>>49244623
Elves only colonized when they discovered Dwarfs and Nehekhara to trade with, exclusively for the purpose of trade and said materials were luxury items. The Elf civil war ended the age of luxury, and the War Of The Beard ended Elf interest in non-Elves.

Elves do not expand. They are insular. The ONLY exception is Dark Elf pirates.

Your headcanon is shit.

>>49245577
>Don't kill everyone else's army for your ship
I literally kept all the various regional armies alive

>>49245614
>Elves only colonized when they discovered Dwarfs and Nehekhara to trade with
speaking of headcanon

>>49245591
>No, change for the sake of change
I think I'll mention it one last time: I didn't change it for the sake of change, I salvaged something that was changed already.


But this argument is hopeless. Just make your own suggestions and we'll see what sticks. Piss on someone else's leg.

>>49245694
Its literally stated they established colonies for trade.

We know Nehekhara traded with and attacked Elves.

Dumbass.

>>49245524
No we just shitpost and bicker about fanfiction and videogames

>>49245717
I bet you can back up that headcanon with actual sources.

>>49245539
It was a tweeeest that he cucked finnubar

>>49245061
Yeah you guys sure seem like you are having fun here

>>49245524
Looking at the two I can't decide either.

The Shrine of Temptation looks really nice if you have Aura of Ecstasy and combine it with some other lust units. Fiends seem ideal. It also has S5 and T5 in addition to impatc hits+ 3 and 14 attacks of which 10 can be +1 to wound. But it is.so.fucking.expensive.

The Carnal chariot seems cheap anf fun but it's not nearly as powerfull. Especially the S4 impact hits will leave alot to be desired.

And now I'm off again. You won't find any rules discussion here. I just happened to drop in here after a long hiatus to see if it's still only the fluff autists keeping the threads alive.

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>>49245744
You bet I can.

But I'm not saucing the Nehekhara thing, since I don't want to have to dig through Neferata's novel for it.

>>49245786
Thanks.
I prefer the Shrine for crunch, which uses the Hellflayer model I believe, but the look of the Exalted Chariot calls to me.

>>49245837
>Contact was established with the Dwarfs and a great era of trade and friendship began.

Where does it say: The High Elves established Colonies especially to trade with the Dwarfs and Nehekarans?

>>49245862
Its literally called the fucking era of trade and exploration.

You don't call it the era of trade and exploration when your colonies are established to conquer and settle.

>>49245854
It's [chaff/chaff hunter] vs [centerpiece model] really. Too different to compare.

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>>49245888

"spread and multiplied across the face of the earth"

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>>49245956
Population replenishment=/=world conquerors.

You're saying the only Elf golden age was after they left Ulthuan. The only canon golden age for Elves came before Chaos, when they only lived in Ulthuan.

>>49246018
>You're saying the only Elf golden age was after they left Ulthuan
I said that where?

Sure the golden age was before Chaos, before the Vortex and before the Sundering. But that time is over and Ulthuan is never regaining it's lost Glory.

That doesn't mean the Elves can't enter a new golden Age outside of Ulthuan. That's what drove them to colonisation the first time around.

And the conquest I meant, the Conquest of Nature and Wilderness is not the conquest you are talking about.

You are also moving goaldposts like a madman now. What is even your point?

>>49245431
Could you be a little more specific? The party comes from Marienburg, so focusing on the commercial side of l'Angulille would probably feel stale.

>>49246093
Marienburg is pretty big on it's independence and likes to thumb it's nose at imperial customs and nobles. L'anguille will be completely the opposite. Outwardly you should show deference to the nobles by the common folk, and do something grotesque a rich merchant is forced to do before a noble, like lay his expensive cloak on the muddy ground so that the noble's lady can pass without making her shoes get wet.

In the more independent parts of the town you can hear bretonnians cursing the nobles and trying to angle for better rights in the councils of trade.

>>49246201
and to add, you can have a bit of an adventure when some men at arms come to break up a meeting like that.

>>49246201
I can use that. thank you very much!

>>49246085
You say Ulthuan held them back, all canon says Ulthuan is the prize of the Elf race and every split left them weaker.

You're babbling about strength as if having a defensible homeland rich in resources superior to that of the rest of the world is somehow a bad thing.

You want Elves to become vikings when they were Rome, as if that is an improvement.

>>49246475
reading comprehension much?

Ulthuan is ruined, the Vortex sucks the life out of everything, the Sundering broke the Continent at it's core forever, the High Elves ARE fading, that has been their theme forever.

Staying on Ulthuan will not change that, and the Vortex is becoming insufficient to hold back Chaos, the Elves were fighting a losing battle on all fronts.

maybe you should actually read the material I suggested for Endhammer instead of going on about your own interpretations of whatever you think I said.

>>49246580
>>49246475

Ulthuan talk is done. We had a vote. The vast majority voted for a ruined Ulthuan.

If you cared enough beforehand, you would have come up with an alternative other than "nothing happens." You didn't. You argued for stasis or bitched and moaned about nonsense. Nobody liked that.

EVEN IF you argue that people voted twice with their computers and phones, it was over 60 votes. 30 was our necessary amount. That's it. Elf talk is done. New elf guy won. Fuck you for continuing to make this an issue.

I didn't want Malekith to take up Widowmaker either, but I fucking lost. IT'S DONE.

If you don't like it ,suck my dick and fuck my ass and stop bitching about it. Because nothing's gonna change. It's a collaborative project. You don't get to change it just because you're pissy.

>>49246201
Speaking of, L'Anguille gets big in Endhammer!

>>49246837
to be fair the options were fucking dumb in the poll.

The Ind one was better because we knew nothing about any of the factions.

>>49242573
Endhammer covers more than just 4chan, dude. It is it's own community now. I've seen Endhammer threads elsewhere.

>>49242812
>Its like killing Sigmar and the church to make the Empire reach its full potentia

The Empire would make a church to the Martyred God. Not a bad idea, really. Identities can evolve, Anon.

>>49243081
>brb posting excepts from novels and bbooks because clearly people are not reading them.

You understand that if you go by the books you get The End Times, right? Which is what Endhammer is trying to avoid? At some point you have to go off the fucking rails, anon.

>>49243482
>corpse cart

This is an especially weird one for someone to bitch about, because that's an actual thing. Corpse Carts. Bring out ye' dead. It's not some weird fantasy invention.

>>49244557

The issue with EndHammer is that, essentially, it just wants to be End Times without the world exploding. The first concept was to just change events so the nations and characters didn't go full retard - which was a great concept.

But then it became a community project.

And that's great, it's nice for people to come together and work on something as one. But it's not an effective way to create a more accurate timeline for the End Times. Just because a majority of people vote for something to happen, doesn't make it any less retarded than what happened in the first place.

That being said, I'm enjoying the direction that Endhammer is going.

>>49245694
>>Elves only colonized when they discovered Dwarfs and Nehekhara to trade with
>speaking of headcanon

That's...established canon, duder. The Elves and Dwarfs meet each other, the Elves established colonies, the colonies prospered with trade from the dwarfs.

>>49245524

What sort of army are you running?

>>49246957
>says the guy who confessed he knows nothing of the setting

>>49246475
Here's a question for you - if Ulthuan is defensible, so rich in resources that they don't need to trade with anyone to maintain their lifestyle, they don't give a shit about lesser beings and they can't do anything off of Ulthuan to stem the tide of Chaos...
...
...
...
Why play Elves? Why have them at all? If all they are going to do is hide on their island and let the world go to shit, what's the point?

>>49247062
>>says the guy who confessed he knows nothing of the setting
Ok smartass, what do we know about ind before someone turned it into his /fur/ fetish?

>>49245744
8ed and 6ed Dwarf Army books, Stone and Steel sourcebook, any history or timeline of the Warhammer setting.

>>49246837
that's not completely true, I always said that everything of AEF is subject to change, all the details and minor, as well as major characters, are yet to be fleshed out.

If singular things are not approved in the long run, they can very well change.

Malekith drawing the Widowmaker is a development included for closure sake, if people prefer it, we could very well have Imrik, Eltharion or Alith Anar draw the Widowmaker, I just think Malekith is the better candidate.

My original idea was to fix the Eternity Knot, unshackle the three elven races and come up with a solution, the new Kingdom in the Border Princes is heavily inspired by the Noldor Invasion of Beleriand, and it has so much potential, but I fear many people can't and don't want to see that chance for the High Elves.

>>49247039
>That's...established canon, duder. The Elves and Dwarfs meet each other, the Elves established colonies, the colonies prospered with trade from the dwarfs.

correlation is not causation.

Elves were colonising the old world and trading with the Dwarfs

Nowhere does it say the Elves Colonized The Old World to trade with the dwarfs.

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>>49247103

Oh NOTHING at ALL, because the topic had NEVER been raised before.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdoms_of_Ind

But my point was that you're bitching about poll options when you don't know the setting.

>>49247148
>fanfic
>spelling changes of indian mythology.

whoa...so this is the power of fan projects.

What is the best place to get the OOP figures? Are they all out of stock at this point? Should I just figure out how to order from Chinese recasters if I want Franz or a Necrosphinx?

>>49247039
I'm the dude that started Endhammer and I haven't seen these threads. What?

>>49247103
The people arguing for an "intact Ulthuan" never provided any ideas. They appeared to want nothing to happen to the elves in End Times. So, they got that option.

>>49247114
Don't sweat it, dude. I was in favor of the original elf stuff and it lost. You won.

The only other option is just to ignore Widowmaker. But that still won't quiet the people jerking off about Ulthuan who had nothing to offer.

>>49247143
>Nowhere does it say the Elves Colonized The Old World to trade with the dwarfs.

>Elves have everything they need in Ulthuan.
>Only trade for profit.
>Establishing new colonies for trade.
>Only nations they are trading with are Dwarfs and Nehek...Nehekkke...not!Egypt.
>The High Elves only started colonising AFTER they discovered the dwarfs, not before.

And from this you conclude they DIDN'T set up the colonies to trade with other nations?

Like fair enough, it's never explicitly stated. But it's never explicitly stated that Elves fucking shit, either.

>>49247164

Fanfic?

There are links to all the source materials at the bottom of that page, guy.

A lot of the EndHammer Ind project is just a reskinned India, but...come on. It's Warhammer.

Cathay - China
Nippon - Japan
Bretonnia - France
Empire - Germany
Kislev - Russia
Norsca - Norway/Iceland/That whole slice

It's not really a massive leap to assume that trait would hold true for places like Ind, the Hinterlands of Khuresh,or the Southlands.

>>49247172
If you figure out how to order from the Chinaman, let us know. I've a craving for the old-school Archaon on horse.

>>49247211
>>Elves have everything they need in Ulthuan.
they didn't though after the Sundering

they didn't have a future.

Birth rates on Ulthuan were dropping like a rock, Elves spread out to escape from that influence.

you don't colonize for trade, you colonize to get more lebensraum

>>49247173
>I'm the dude that started Endhammer and I haven't seen these threads. What?

Seriously? I've seen a few on GameFAQs. Even googling Endhammer gives you more than just 4chan results.

I guess that's what happens when you make a community project - it spreads through communities.

But to be fair - the concept of fixing the End Times with an alternative timeline isn't a unique one, nor is the name 'Endhammer' itself - our FLGS was using that moniker back during the End Times period. So it's possible they are unrelated.

>>49247289
>they didn't though after the Sundering
Didn't they colonize BEFORE the Sundering, though?

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What's your favorite vampire bloodline?

If you had to make a new bloodline, what would it be like?

>>49247289
>fanfic
yes it is.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kingdoms_of_Ind

The wiki page is copied off the blogspot.

>bretonnia
>france
Its arthurian legend, french chivalry and english archers all jumbled up together.

>empire
Largely based off the HRE which was german but had several non german territories as well. Also Ostland and ostermark aren't very germanic.

>kislev
>russia
because winged hussars and ungols scream russians.

>>49247368
Strigoi

>>49247173
It's not about losing or winnig.

That was never my intention when I brought up the concept of voting for stuff.

It was to get a consens on where to take the setting.

There's no first across the post system, or any binding obligations to adapt it, the poll simply showed there's a large part of people who are unhappy with the current version, and would like to see at least some of the changes I had proposed in the final endhammer canon.


This is no the American Presidential race, there's no one or the other, we have to find a middle path most if not everyone can agree on.

The Strawpoll system was simply to solve the issue of the clogged up Endhammer discussion page, to create a living discussion in the Thread and to reliably propose changes without them being lost in a wall of text on a forum.

The Beastmen of Ind are not set in stone and the Empire Shism hasn't even left the blueprint phase so far.

Let's not be so eager to dismiss results, but try to find a way to make Endhammer the setting everyone can agree on, or we are no better than the tools who made AoS.

>>49247352
The Sundering was around -2500ish, the Elves met the Dwarfs and started colonizing around -4500ish.

So, yeah, if the Elves had everything they needed in Ulthuan and only started colonising AFTER they met other races to trade with, it's a pretty heavy implication that the reason they established new colonies was for trade.

>>49247352
yes, after the Vortex was created.

To establish naval bases and garrisons in strategic points.

The Sundering destroyed large swathes of Ulthuan and caused a second wave of migration into the various areas.
especially the old world.

>>49247368
fave: Necrarch
new: aztec-flavored bloodline coming from Lustria

>>49247430
>new: aztec-flavored bloodline coming from Lustria
Insert jojo pun here.

>>49247336
Endhammer is also a metal band. I always assumed it was that.

>>49247394
Empire schism's pretty done. It's got new characters, realistic motivations, and fits within the history of the Empire. I'd say it's past "blueprint."

And something I learned when I first started this is you will NEVER get something everyone agrees on. You'll always have some bitchy elf player saying his favorite faction wasn't badass enough.

how does the assault phase work against walkers? when they charge you and do their melee attacks, you do yours as well? how are melee attacks against vehicles performed?

i am playing a game using my brother's models but we only have each other, google, and our codex's and rule books to learn how to play. i don't quite understand how charges and the assault phase in general works, or melee and sniping also for that matter.

>>49247490
Most elf players are really fucking touchy about any end times subject considering how their factions got absolutely mauled in the GW version.

>>49247490
that's not the point, seeing 44% to 56% opposing it is not a victory, it's an instruction to keep improving on the setting and work the desired things into the canon.

Anyway, I'll release the updated and detailed version of AEF in a few days, so far there hasn't been a single suggestion on what should or could be changed, if anyone who's read the rough drafts has any ideas, please post them the next few days.

Bitching isn't getting us anywhere.

>>49247490
>Empire schism's pretty done. It's got new characters, realistic motivations, and fits within the history of the Empire. I'd say it's past "blueprint."
The empire never fell apart AFTER beating back the chaos invasion and the two contenders for the throne are two literally who characters.

>>49247368
Favourite? Necrach, all the way. Crazy, Nosferatu-esque vampires obsessed with studying their nature and the their powers. Great idea.

If I had to create a vampire bloodline, I'd probably either give the Cathayan's something specific or I'd go somewhere along the lines of a Chaos tainted vampiric bloodline. Not sure what that would entail, but it could be fun.

>>49247371
Warhammer Armies: Beast of Chaos (6th Edition)
pg. 16
Warhammer Armies: High Elves (6th Edition)
pg. 49
Warhammer Expansion: Lustria (6th Edition)
pg. 41
Warhammer Armies: Ogre Kingdoms (6th Edition)
pg. 53
pg. 64
Warhammer Armies: Ogre Kingdoms (8th Edition)
pg. 15
Warhammer Fantasy: Core Rulebook (7th Edition)
pg. 141
Warhammer Fantasy: Core Rulebook (8th Edition)
pg. 161
pg. 267
Warhammer RPG 2nd Edition: Companion
pg. 7
pg. 8

If you're talking about the image of the Kingdoms of Ind armybook - no shit it's fan made. But the link to the Wiki article on the Kingdom of Ind has all the official references and material released on Ind. I'm assuming that's where you're getting confused.

Additionally:
>Its arthurian legend, french chivalry and english archers all jumbled up together.

True, but Bretonnia is still characterised more heavily towards the French than the British. Check out the Bretonnia source book for WFRP for more details, but in short it's a clear mix of Arthur and France.

>Largely based off the HRE which was german but had several non german territories as well. Also Ostland and ostermark aren't very germanic.

Which is why all the names are germanic. I'd say it was more based on renaissance Germany with elements of HRE thrown in rather than the other way around.

I don't understand your complaint, VidyaAnon. Do you think it's odd that the Kingdom of Ind in Endhammer would combine elements of Indian history and mythology?

>>49247589
they are barely any blurbs that tell us pretty much nothing about having real gods and beastmen that are neutral.

The fan project turned it into a copy paste of the mahabharat with a bit of 1962 sino indian war thrown in.

>>49247589
>I don't understand your complaint, VidyaAnon. Do you think it's odd that the Kingdom of Ind in Endhammer would combine elements of Indian history and mythology?
also its literally one small subsection of indian mythology that the people making the ones used.

>based off 16th century germany with elements of the HRE thrown in
yeah, like the entire political structure, or the way society is divided or even marienburg being the netherlands leaving the HRE.

The wiki article is nearly completely fanmade and is copied verbatim from the army book.

>>49247551
>The empire never fell apart AFTER beating back the chaos invasion and the two contenders for the throne are two literally who characters.


When did the 900 year long time of Three Emperors begin? I know it ended with the reunion to fight a Chaos Invasion, but when did it start?

>>49247506
>how does the assault phase work against walkers? when they charge you and do their melee attacks, you do yours as well? how are melee attacks against vehicles performed?

I think you need the 40k general.

>>49247543
>that's not the point, seeing 44% to 56% opposing it is not a victory,

Wasn't it 44% agreed, 20% End Times Canon and 20% Old End Hammer canon?

That means at least 64% didn't want End Times or Old Endhammer canon respectively but only 40% didn't want New Endhammer canon.

Seems like the lesser of all evils.

>>49247551
Stop bitching vladfag. Only two people were on your side if we believe this story about "being unable to vote."

And just earlier someone asked for MORE new characters. So, again, I'm done being polite towards you. You're not Endhammer's dictator. People disagree with you.

You lose. Good day, sir!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ

>>49247543
There was mention of parliamentary coalition, but I'm willing to grant 44% as a convincing victory.

>>49247621
>The fan project turned it into a copy paste of the mahabharat with a bit of 1962 sino indian war thrown in.

Which seems fitting, given that most of the Warhammer setting is just copy-pasted from history with different flavours added in.

>>49247670
>The wiki article is nearly completely fanmade and is copied verbatim from the army book.

Are we looking at the same page? Because the wiki article for Kingdom of Ind is literally three or four paragraphs long and consists of exerts from different army and rulebooks for warhammer, with a list given at the bottom of references which I am currently checking - so far the Ogre Kingdoms references check out.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdoms_of_Ind

>>49247700
it started when mandred skavenslayer was assassinated and there was no one close enough to him to win decisively.

>>49247726
I don't give a fuck about endhammer you retard. People voted to have a schism and they have their choice. I can laugh at them for their attempts to invoke drama by having a nearly dead empire turn in upon itself while bretonnians want to acquire more empire land.

>>49247726
>grant 44% as a convincing victory.

That's the way you do it. It gives the Endhammer community a goal to aim towards, and we can work out specifics in that vein now. It wasn't meant to have every single option covered, just a general tone that can be used as a guideline.

>>49247780
So, in your estimation it makes perfect sense for an empire to fracture for 900 years following the death of their emperor during a period of relative calm and peace, but having the Empire suffer from light infighting because two different religious groups think they should be running the show after suffering a crushing defeat at the hands of Chaos is too much?

Have you ever read a history book?

>>49247758
>>The fan project turned it into a copy paste of the mahabharat with a bit of 1962 sino indian war thrown in.
>Which seems fitting, given that most of the Warhammer setting is just copy-pasted from history with different flavours added in.

None of which were 1 to 1 copies. The fanbook copy pasted saladin's wiki article on their araby page.

The page itself has been pruned several times.

>>49247670
>also its literally one small subsection of indian mythology that the people making the ones used.

So?

>>49247882
>None of which were 1 to 1 copies. The fanbook copy pasted saladin's wiki article on their araby page.

Again, so what? It's been done in 40k and Fantasy before. Maybe not to such an obvious extent - unless you count 40k novels that literally rip off and plagiarize a soldiers memoirs.

>>49247836
>crushing defeat
I am sorry, who came down from the heavens and saved the world again?
Whose flame was snuffed out again?

Sigmar worshippers in whatever remains of the empire would hear that their god returned to save the world from chaos.

Ulric's flame would be snuffed out.

Have you ever read a history book?

The HRE was prone to infighting in real life and several times the french were able to lobby for their own family members to be put on to the throne. Decentralized realms are regularly at each other's throats but they don't do so when fighting to the death.

Black death addled europe didn't start any major wars.

Warfare requires money like the spanish had after their exploitation of america and allowed them to successfully gain dominance over the HRE.

>>49247938
>not to such an obvious extent

the fanmade project is just that.

>>49247836
Dude. He doesn't read shit. He's just a contrarion troll.

Ulric's flame doesn't even get snuffed out in Endhammer and he pretends he knows what he's talking about. The guy is a moron.

And he even claims that Europe had no wars in the Black Death, conveniently forgetting the Hundred Years' War took place with the black death.

>>49247963
>I am sorry, who came down from the heavens and saved the world again?
> they don't do so when fighting to the death.

So which is it? Is the Empire on the brink of destruction or not?

It seems to me that Chaos won the war. They didn't wipe the world out, but they fucked everyone up. I'd call that a victory for Chaos.

Even the Storm of Chaos was a relative victory, given how far into the Empire they pushed and how much damage they did.

Either timeline, this Chaos invasion has been the most successful to date since the rise of the Empire.

What's the next Endhammer poll for?

>>49248032
Chaos always tries to wipe out the world. It is their only end goal. Denying them that is victory. They always inch a little closer.

>>49248029
>hundred years war
ah yes, it was constant 100 years of warfare, not different wars of the french succession that were lumped together later for convenience.
Nice historical knowledge there.

>>49248083
>Chaos always tries to wipe out the world. It is their only end goal. Denying them that is victory. They always inch a little closer.

The world not exploding is not a victory marker for the forces of good. It's no good to have save the world if you've killed everyone in it in the process.

So, is the Empire fucked or not? Because if it's fucked, that's a victory for Chaos. If they're not, then why bitch about religious differences existing when that's been a part of the setting since the time of fucking Sigmar?

Hell, if the Empire was fucked under the guidance of Sigmar it makes even more sense that Ulricans would want to splinter.

>>49248039
Probably Dwarfs. But there hasn't been much disagreement. I think the generally-liked changes to current Endhammer are "Dwarfs retain Everpeak and begin to recover Barak Varr/Zhufbar. Characters like Grimm get a bigger role."

>>49248128
And again, let's remember the troll isn't even reading properly.

The Ulricans and Sigmarites aren't at war. They just have their own candidates for Emperor and are bristling that the other would even be considered.

It's political parties, with possibly small skirmished between them. There's no open civil war.

>>49248128
>if the empire is fucked its a victory for chaos
in what way exactly?

the bretonnians are still there. Apparently tilea estalia and the border princes are going to be full of elf refugees who are desperate to get a break. If anything the empire will become more like kislev and slowly slide into a minor power as the brets rightfully demand territorial concessions.

>>49248180
so the entire top brass of the empire died? What exactly allows luitpold and a ginger bastard to have major says in the empire over other, more senior candidates?

>>49248180
A Non Holswig-Schliestein wielding Ghal Maraz and sitting on the throne of the Empire? What blasphemy is this?

>>49248242
>in what way exactly?

Like >>49248083 said:
>Chaos always tries to wipe out the world. It is their only end goal. Denying them that is victory. They always inch a little closer.

Destroying the Empire pushes them closer to that goal. It's a major step.

>What exactly allows luitpold and a ginger bastard to have major says in the empire over other, more senior candidates?

Line of succession. Are any Elector Counts even left alive?

I don't see why we don't use Storm of Chaos as a basis for continuing the setting. Why even use End Times?

>>49248293
The Holswig-Schliesteins have only been Emperors since Karl's father. I think before him it was a Stirlander. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>49248242
1. The sons of great men, the inheritors, are always given great influence and power. That's just feudal inheritance. Moreover, these are the sons of the former Emperor and his foremost competitor for the throne during the election process.

2. Yes, most of the top brass is dead. Many Elector Counts are dead. Others have ruined provinces. I took a tally last thread, but I'll be quick. (Again, if anyone can link me the old Reynolds posts, I'd appreciate it)

Nordland was the sight of the Glottkin Invasion. Theoderic Gausser wasn't mentioned, but in Endhammer, he's ruling a ruined province (no glory, no men) and happy to say he outlived Marienburg. He puts his support behind Heinrich because Middenland has an army and still has the glory of Middenheim.

Alberich Haupt-Anderssen and Helmut Feuerbach (Stirland and Talabecland) are similarly glossed over. Talabecland's mostly fucked and Stirland was long a minor province.

Alberich Haupt-Anderssen may have 'existed' but he is just as much a literally who because he never had rules or did anything important. I'd say we should kill off Feuerbach.

Emmanuelle von Liebwitz is dumb and a woman.

>>49248369
>Why even use End Times?

The basic consensus is that there was some fun stuff in End Times, and Storm of Chaos came off as a little weak. Endhammer is basically a melding of the two. It's used over Storm of Chaos because it goes into more detail and has more material to work with.

>>49248369
I agree wholeheartedly, but I don't think the endhammer fags will see reason on the subject as they are already head-over-heels into making their fan wank.

>>49248376
You high? Holswig-Schliesteins have been running the Empire since Wilhelm the III, Karl's Great-Great-Grandpappy elected to the post after Dieter IV von Krieglitz accepted the bribe to allow Marienburg to go independent and lost his position as Emperor.

>>49248376
>Emmanuelle von Liebwitz is dumb and a woman.

Oh you son of a bitch.

>>49248478
My mistake.

>>49248458
Note the word 'Some' in there. A lot of the End Times material was garbage. Especially the Super Plagues that wiped out Talabheim and Marienburg.

Hell, Post Storm of Chaos would be interesting due to a possible split in the Cult of Sigmar. Johan Esmer still claiming to be the Grand Theogonist even after fleeing Marienburg and could use the argument of Volkmar having been killed and brought back to life in the middle of a Chaos Encampment to drive a wedge in the Imperial Church.

You also have Archaons armies getting splintered. What if a lot of them didn't flee back up North and instead you have the forests of the Empire literally swamped with Chaos Warriors and Brigands? A lot of Civilians sold their souls as well to survive.

You have Todbringer scouring the forests for Ole One Eye and another Elector Count is dead.

Could even have do some fun stuff with Valten surviving his assassination.

Wasn't there some weird stuff with the Vampires post Storm of Chaos?

I mean hell. If you want a good Post Storm of Chaos world make it like the Völkerwanderung with the Empire trying to survive the aftermath of a massive invasion.

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>>49248326
>Destroying the Empire pushes them closer to that goal. It's a major step.
how would it be a major step if you are basing it off the end times?

>>49244931
>What makes them get up every day? A new tomorrow, every elf is driven by a desire for glory and exploration, conquest and happiness.
Holy shit how can you misinterpret the lore That badly? Did you miss the part in ET khaine where many of the high elves stayed back on sinking Ulthuan because they'd rather go down with the ship they've been defending since the begining of time? Or when a bunch of elves were in such a state of despair that they killed themselves after reaching
Athel Loren? Many of these elves dedicated their entire centuries long lives to defending Ulthuan, you expect them to suddenly have a change of heart? You really think any of the elves who survive the sinking of ukthuan will feel liberated from a burden and be excited to settle lands they consider to be crawling with barbarians?

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>>49248921
>in ET khaine

>>49248376
>ruined provinces
and I suppose altdorf still stands