MTG LEGACY GENERAL - New Flowchart Inbound Edition

Common Legacy - Decks You Should Prepare to Face
>Miracles
>Delver variants (Grixis, Izzet, BUG, RUG)
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Death and Taxes
>Eldrazi Stompy
>Shardless BUG
>Lands

Uncommon Legacy - Decks You Should Know About
>LED Dredge
>Reanimator
>Infect
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>TES (The Epic Storm)
>Elves
>Painter
>Maverick
>4-Color Loam
>Nic Fit
>Sneak n Show

Rare Legacy - Decks You May See On Occasion
>Enchantress
>MUD
>Goblins
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>Aluren
>Food Chain
>12 Post
>Belcher
>Pox Control
>Dragon Stompy
>Tezzerator
>Sneak n Breach
>Stax (White or Black)

Mythic Legacy - Decks You'll See Once a Year
>Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils (DDFT)
>Cheerios
>Nourshing Lich
>Sea Stompy
>Spanish Inquisition
>Parfait
>The Cure (Kavu Predator + False Cure)

>>49227006
how come when i click "buy now" i get to a page where the price is $17.99?

>>49227062

Hmm... I dunno, it's the advertised price when I press on it, a possible cause might be we live in different countries and the store that sells it for cheap doesn't ship to yours? I dunno man, I'm just guessing here.

>nourishing lich

like ... nourishing shoal and lich? for what purpose? how does this deck win?

>>Playing?
Storm, currently grinding station but soon switching to hybrid
>>Sideboard?
Hate for hate, I want to win, why dilute?
>>Silver bullets for the local meta? What does your meta look like?
No bullets, meta is ~15% GWx creature decks, ~15% Chalice decks, 20% combo and 50% other blue
>>Your turn 1 play is Cabal Therapy. You're going in blind against an unknown opponent. What do you name and why?
Brainstorm, hits ~30% and gives info

Also, how are you supposed to pilot storm vs SnS? Anyone have a good answer or article/forum post to analyse?

>>49227055
>no Omni tell

Also, who's favored in the RUG Delver vs Esper Stoneblade matchup?

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>>49227137
It's a Storm variant, you win with Grapeshot. So you Nourishing Shoal an Autochthon Wurm with Lich or Nefarious Lich on the field and rack up the Storm count from there. Here's a sample list.

>>49227129
hm yeah makes sense. cheapest for me is double what is is for you. and there's the shipping on top of that ;D

>>49227233
>>49227083
I played two tops for a bit, didn't really feel it with them... I'll try them again next time :)

>>49227233
It's not really TES ~~
Playing Cabal ritual over Mox and two 4-cost spells... But thank you! I'm trying my best to make it look pleasing!
I found my last German foil wish in Prague though, should probably assemble it in all its glory again

>>49227212
IMO Blackmail is leagues better if you have to turn it at their face. It doesn't have the grindy element of Retrace, but this is Dark Ritual/Lotus Petal Reanimator we're talking about. He's running 16 lands and if he's retracing Raven's Crime he's probably lost.

>>49226990
>that nonfoil Ponder
FIX IT OR I'LL SEE YOU IN COURT

> not playing Vintage like a real man

>>49227315
I was under the impression that TES was simply any storm deck playing Burning Wish.

>>49227342
Please... my wallet is already on fire...

>>49227342
>Not playing Unrestricted Vintage
Step it up

>>49227342
>play Vintage
>get to play in all of two big tournaments a year

>>49227342

>there will never be a Vintage general

sad

>>49227137
It's cute and bad.

>>49227381
TES specifically runs red fast mana to compliment it's rituals and has a greater focus on Empty the Warrens for the kill. DDFT also runs a Burning wish but usually wins through resolving Doomsday. Very different modes of action but happen to share a common trait. Not nearly enough similarity to lump together.

>>49227320
It's fixed as of this week, took forever for a German foil to show up on MKM...

>>>49227315
>I was under the impression that TES was simply any storm deck playing Burning Wish.
TES is cook's deck, you can have small variations but 90% ought to be the same. While on the subject you could also look at TNT, a variation playing wish but still so different that it can't be classed as TES. Good thought though!

>>49227468
Those Doomsday builds look extremely over complicated. I do love me some storm though.

>>49227170
I think that's a really close 50/50 match. It's been a long time since I've seen or played the Matchup. I'm guessing it depends on the Stoneblade build though

>>49227170
Delver has access to Goyf and probably Bloodbraid Elf, Stoneblade has access to Batterskull and Swords. They both have access to FoW. I'd say it would boil down to whose threat sticks first.

>>49227947
Stoneblade tends to run the same Countertop package as Miracles, so I'd say it's just a question of whether Delver can ram home 20 damage before something nasty happens.

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>>49227947
>blood braid elf in rug delver
I cast my dope elf and cascade into... daze!

>>49227947
This. It's a coinflip in the sense that RUG's win percentage for being on the play or not is huge, taking it from probably 60% to 40% because of how good Daze is in the matchup.

>>49228160
Also being able to stick Delver followed by Waste-int their first land drop is insane.

>>49228060
>Stoneblade
>Countertop
Nigga what

>>49227500
The doomsday build's aren't really that complicated. They trade some speed for resilonce and flexibility.
>>49227137
As the resident Nourishing Lich expert, I can tell you the deck is bad. the cards to build it in paper are in the mail

>>49228880
MY FUKING PHONE PUTTING FUCKING APOSTROPHES WHERE THEY DON'T GODDAMN BELONG REEEEEEEEE

also that's supposed to be "resilience"

>>49228880
>he actually built it in paper
Wow you're such a hero__

>>49228880
>>49229069
brb ordering sum stuff...

Also how would you recommend starting out with doosmday? Stormboards or some other place? I'm interested in how the deck functions, currently I just don't have the doomsdays...

>>49229150
The storm boards are OK for starters. The mtgsalvation primer actually has a decent list of basic piles. What you should do is learn like 4 or 5 basic piles and really understand them, and then try to play some games. At first you'll just be trying to work the game into a position where you can go off with a basic pile, but then you'll start to see how you can modify those piles to suit different situations, and then you'll start seeing the weird piles. Also I'm happy to help answer questions but I'm certainly not the final authority on the deck.

>Play Pox vs Candian Threshold
>Haunting Echoes
>Rip out all their Tarmagoyfs, Delvers, Nimble Mongooses, Brainstorms, Scalding Tarns, and Tropical Islands.

Is it terrible that I'm genuinely considering just main boarding Haunting Echoes? It's just a complete back-breaker for most decks and with Dark Rituals and a heavy land count, I haven't had a problem getting to 5 mana.

>>49229423
No, my man. That's bad.

>>49227055
>Merfolk
So it's not called Fish anymore?

>>49229538
Fish was a separate deck with Serendib Efreet and Mulldrifter, and later Illusory Angel. It's not good anymore.

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>no one streams fucking legacy

fuck every single one of you

>>49227055
I'd add tin fins to the rare or mythical slot. Despite it being my go-to deck.

>>49229631
>stream myself gold fishing paper in my underwear

>>49227055
No Tin Fins?

>>49229652
>>49229655
What is this /tg/ obsession? That deck is bad.

>>49229673
No it's not?

>>49229673
It used to be worst I'll grant you that, but in the wake of printing monastery mentor the sideboard has become a lot more flexible. If the opponent over compensates for the combo post game one then they risk getting swarmed to death by a deck that is mostly spells that trigger mentor.

>>49229673
>nourishing lich & cheerios on the list
>deck with highest turn 1 win percentage which actually has respectable placings isn't
There are plenty of worse decks on that list.
>>49229631
Would anyone actually be interested in me streaming this against randoms in cockatrice? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sins-of-lands/
I could also play zombardment or ANT. I honestly don't think I'm very good at the game (I'm not terrible, but eh) so factor that in.

>>49229631
I could stream myself playing on XMage but I'll mostly be playing Parfait

>>49229928
I would watch but I just got home and still have a lot of masturbating to do.

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Do you guys think this has potential in Legacy? It is one of my favorite cards and i'm so sad it just never seemed to see play outside of Innistrad, any idea what makes it so bad?

>>49229928
>>49229935
I'd be interested in that. I spend all my free time watching legacy content instead of television so I might be in the minority.

>>49229993
it's bad because it costs infinity mana and has no immediate impact on the board. that said, if your deck is running sol lands and chalice of the void, you can sometimes win with literally whatever creature you want. now that I've said that, I'd like to see fugitive wizard stompy.

>>49229993
>any idea what makes it so bad?
costs 5 and is undercosted for the stats, no resilience, dies to dismemeber, requires waiting an entire turn to do something and has 0 resilience
not to mention DRS can totally fuck over it's ability so even if it survives a turn and can just have a null impact
it's competing with stuff like reality smasher and it's going to lose every time

>>49229993

Theoretically you could probably play it in Nic Fit, but the biggest issue is there are just so many more powerful midrange creatures you could run in that slot.

>>49230000
>>49229977
It's not going to be tonight in any case, honestly I might not ever do it, but the soonest it will be is tomorrow.

>>49230026
Hell yeah man. We can even supplement our threat count with Wandering Ones.

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>>49230100
>UR Chalice with Wandering Ones and Ogre Resisters
>100% winrate against Vorthos players

>>49230199
>100% win rate against vorthos players
GOOD.

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Posting original flowchart for folks. If you're interested in Legacy, this could help you find a deck that's right for you.

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>>49230591
>do you want to disguise your hatred by playing a good deck?

>>49230591
Every time I do it I end up at the same spot

>>49230591
The new one read: second draft is finished. It needs some colors and then I'll splice it together and post it.

>>49230643
>No, I want them to know I hate them
The line that sold me on Stax

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>>49230643
>How do you want to mess with your opponent?
>Winning with bad cards
>How bad?
>my wincon is a 4/3 with a downside
>How much of a baller are you?
>I play demons from Avacyn Restored
>you are balling out of control

FUCK i just played my 4th league match with Nourishing Lich and I got FUCCKKED. played vs 4c loam. Game 1 I did the nourishing lich thing and drew 15 cards on turn 2, but couldn't find a nourishing shoal. I zuran orbed away my 2 lands, brainstormed, shuffled with a summoner's pact, blew a lotus petal to ponder, chrome moxed another ponder to get blue to cast a 3rd ponder, and still couldn't find a damn shoal so I scooped. And then I punted game 2 magnificently by forgetting to side in abrupt decays. so now i'm 2-2.

>>49231062
What does the lich nourish? How do you win after drawing all the cards with his powers?

>>49231120
It's a Storm deck. You win through Storm count up to Grapeshot lethal range. You could also win through Brain Freeze but I don't think anyone here has tested it thoroughly, and it also is bad against Emrakul decks.

>>49230997
i dont get the demons avacyn joke...

>>49227034

>PLAYAN
waterfalls
one trick pony
R/B goblins

>SIDEBORDAN
I'll do it when I can afford it. Also I have no meta so it doesn't really matter.

>FIRAN
Did I mention I have no meta?

>NAMAN
Chalice lol

>also

>this year of our lord
>not having/wanting a husbando that you can play magic with, cuddle with and hold hands with

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>>49231062

Damn, sorry dude. Decks bricking out happens to the best of us. For what it's worth I still think you're cool.

>>49230784
I don't envy your task, the 1.0 version is that perfect blend of informative, funny, and the decision tree is organized remarkably well to avoid sprawling out all over the place..

By contrast, here's the Modern one. Just doesn't have the same kind of presentation.

>>49231342
to add insult to injury I decided to play a match with DDFT in the tournament practice room and I had to play against dragon stompy and I was going to win, just had to Wish for meltdown to get rid of some chalices, and accidentally meltdown'd my SDT too, throwing the game. Guess it's just not my night haha.

>>49227034
>Playing?
infect, turbo depths
>Silver bullets for the local meta? What does your meta look like?
trying tower of the magistrate. will report of it comes up. too much dnt and more enchantress than you'd expect. also lots of miracles bc muh best deck.
>Your turn 1 play is Cabal Therapy. You're going in blind against an unknown opponent. What do you name and why?
brainstorm bc it's the most played card and a good one to hit. I'm saying I'm not doing anything fair so it'll prevent them from digging for answers.
bonus answer: "whatever I saw with gitaxian probe :^)"

>>49231120
>cast free artifacts
>cast grapeshot twice

Which one of you namefags was the one with the burn deck? I need a list.

>>49231242
AVR was basically "FUCK THE COLOR BLACK: the set"

I suppose technically AVR did bring us a good demon with Griselbrand, but as a whole the set was bad times for the color Black.

>>49232218
This is my mainboard.

4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
2 Grim Lavamancer

2 Sulfuric Vortex

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Price of Progress
4 Chain Lightning

9 Mountain
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Barbarian Ring

This is my sideboard, a little meta geared.
4 Searing Blaze
1 Vexing Shusher
3 Smash to Smithereens
1 Mindbreak Trap
3 Exquisite Firecraft
1 Plateau
2 Rest in Peace

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>>49227034
>Your turn 1 play is Cabal Therapy. You're going in blind against an unknown opponent.
Why would you Cabal Therapy blind?

>>49232613
Gotta keep up that tempo
Brainstorm is 50+% of the metagame
Even if you wiff you get information and can flashback for value

>>49232613
Because you feel lucky today.

>>49227034
>Decade Format
>Any version of any card that has been printed in any form during the past 10 years is legal
>Banlist is everything that is currently banned or restricted in Vintage.

Would you play this?

>>49232666
I'd play any 60 cars format that's not standard. I'm pretty sure this format ends up being pretty close to legacy but with ravings shocks instead of duals, in which case burn is tier 0 bc price of progress
i don't actually know what's been printed in the last 10 years

>>49232666
No

>>49232613
Because you're in a real format and playing Grixis Pyromancer.

>>49232613
What color are there sleeves? How do they look? Strike up conversation about how they're doing. Use some of those non-existant social skills of yours to try and figure it out.

Then name Force of Will.

>>49232717
The only thing that you need to know is that Infect was printed in the last 10 years.

>>49232666
It would start at the time spiral block, and exclude mirrodin and kamigawa, along with original ravnica, and 8th and 9th edition
i'd play it if it replaced modern i guess

>>49232666
Nice try, Satan.

Given Vintage's banned and restricted list, what meta comes out of just the Alpha set? I'm really curious what can be done with the cards

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>>49232613
>play Dredge
>got that t2 careful study into breakthrough hand
>Cabal Therapy them for FoW
>they're playing Burn

wait why can't bazaar of baghdad be reprinted? it was originally uncommon

>>49232588
Thank you

>>49232921
Shivan Dragons my nigga.
>>49232984
It's broken and old fat people collect them.

>>49232921
Probably UW Control vs Mono Black vs some Bxx pile

>>49232984
The reserved list wasn't originally only rares. Antiquities doesn't even have rares.

>>49232984
Reserved list lol

>>49231342
this is a nice chart
and I will be making a "Duskmantle Mindcrank" deck

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>>49232978
>play Legacy and Dredge for the first time
>don't know what the fuck I'm doing
>keep a shitty hand
>"U-Uh, Cabal Therapy on FoW?"
>reveals hand
>it's a Lands deck
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, THE MARIT LAGE TOKEN WAS TOO SCARY

>>49231342
I play 8rack in modern.

Surely that deserves some sort of presence on that decision tree. Even if it's just some joke entry like "I hate when people flick their cards"

:(

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>>49233160
>THE MARIT LAGE TOKEN WAS TOO SCARY
OOGA BOOGA

Anybody knows if there are 3 colors list with blood moon in them ? I know it defies logic, but I'm curious. Thanks.

>>49233368
UWr Miracles
the best version of Miracles

>>49233160
I run one Terastodon main in Manaless and have never been touched by Marit Lage.
With 4 Chancellor of the Annex and 1 Flamekin Zealot I've made sure that I just cannot lose game 1 unless I draw the worst hand ever.

It's a shame Grafdigger's Cage/Rest in Peace are a thing, Surgical Extraction really doesn't do anything.

>>49233405
So what are all the colour variations of miracles and their strengths? I know of WUr (pyroblast and blood moon) and WUb (discard and surgical extraction), but are there more? Could WUg miracles exist?

>>49233405
I think some people need to give Esper miracles a shot instead of just saying no

>>49233170
>Do you refuse to let go of a deck that used to be a good antimeta call
>8Rack

I miss Twin/American Delver days of dominance. I made over $800 in store credit during that season.

>>49233405
Is it only miracles but with blood moon in the side ? Is it that fonctionnal ?

I'm looking at using blood moon in something other than Dragon Stompy. Maybe Geist of Saint Traft Stompy UWr ?

>>49233469
No

>>49227034
you can post rule34 on blue boards now?

>>49233493
Jeskai miracles can also get wear/tear, and Pyro blast in addition to blood moon. Doesn't usually have anything else besides them. I prefer thoughtseize+surgical extraction over them though

>>49233469
what's your list, fuccboi?

>>49229423
There's an old junk control deck called ThunderBluff that ran two in the main. But as the other anon pointed out, no, it's fucking garbage

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New meme.

OP pic is best art of Cabal Therapy. It just feels powerful.

>>49233676
2x underground sea
3x tundra
4x flooded strand
4x polluted delta
2x marsh flats
2x Plains
4x island

4x sensei's divining top
2x JTMS
1x EtA
1x Council's judgment
2x monastery mentor
1x Counterspell
1x predict
3x snapcaster mage
4x counterbalance
4x brainstorm
4x ponder
4x terminus
4x FoW
4x Swords to plowshares

SIDEBOARD
1x eitherswron canonist
2x thoughtseize
1x nihil spell bomb
1x leyline of sanctity
3x surgical extraction
1x entreat the angels
1x flusterstorm
1x disenchant
1x Rest in peace
1x back to basics
1x notion thief
1x ? (Suggestions welcomed)

Please feel free to comment and constructively criticize, I like the feed back. no I'm not adding red and taking out black

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Bump from the Dark Depths.

>tfw living off free samples for a month for each volc or sea I need for Omnitell

Legacy is suffering.

>>49227055
>still no scepter control

>>49233747
I don't get it. It's just normal uw miracles with thoughtseize and nihil spellbomb in the side.

>>49229423
If it works for you, then it works for you.

>>49235145
I like your commitment

>>49227034
>Playing
Cheerios.

>Sideboard
Don't need one.

>turn one therapy
Probably Force of Will or Daze. If it's my turn then Chalice isn't as scary.

>>49235287
Yeah I know it's a few black cards., it's like jeskai miracles only plays a few red cards in its board. I'm highly open to suggestions to include more black in the board and even main deck. I've tried thoughtseize in the main deck buts just not that great until after I need to rip out their board cards most of the time. Please if you have any suggestions I'll stick em in the deck and try them out. I sometimes play with the abyss and massacre in the board but those are usually for when I know what the meta is gonna look like. I also hard cast surgical extraction sometimes

>Playing?
Death and Taxes

>Sideboard?
Cataclysm and Sword of War and Peace!

>Silver bullets for the local meta?
Mirran Crusaders for days, to ram up the Shardless players assholea

>What does your meta look like?
Blood Moon and Chalice forever

>Your turn 1 play is Cabal Therapy. You're going in blind against an unknown opponent. What do you name and why?
The correct answer is Brainstorm, its the most played card in the format, and even if you miss the next one hits

>>49235282
>>still no scepter control

...are you talking about Quinn?

>>49235464
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/legacy-archives/183556-legacy-scepter-chant

>>49235493
That thread is ancient
Mystical Tutor is banned
Abrupt Decay exists

If you want to Scepter Chant people you'd be better off shoving Isochron Scepter in Parfait or playing Mighty Quinn.

>>49235641
Aww

>>49235404
so you are exchanging pyroblasts for discards, which are worse against burn but potentially better against general stuff while still helping on counter spells wars.

but the big difference is blood moon. it is the best way to beat mud and 12post, terrible matchups. idk if black can do anything about that.

>>49235641
I wonder why people don't just play apostle's blessing for abrupt decay decks. It's not even a bad card in general.

Why doesn't Esper Miracles Guy play Lim Dul's vault? It digs so diggly.

>>49236358
It does nothing to help you survive until you have your lock down.

It's fine for the sideboard but people run Decay in the main.

>>49225283
List? Do you just jam Putrid Imps instead? I hear from some dredge players that LED isn't always necessary or great, but the explosiveness is unparalleled.

>>49236337
The whole blood moon thing just doesn't appeal to me. I have to hope like hell I get a blood moon by turn 3 in order to have a fighting chance.
>>49236364
I've tried it for bit and it has helped at points but I've never actually used it in games. I really like being able to dump my hand to grab some forces or to get my countertop going. Maybe I'll try it out again in my free sideboard slot. Thanks for reminding me about it.

>>49236549
If anything, it lets you stack a counterbalance trigger with literally any card in your deck.

>Nourishing Lich

Cavius pls go

>>49236854
That is also true, never thought about doing that actually. Maybe I will give it a go again just to see if it is as good as it sounds

>>49236908
Not to mention that it's a terminus when you need it.

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>>49236358
>apostle's blessing

...Why not just go with Faith's Shield? That can protect ANY permanent, not just Creatures and Artifacts. Although you would have to be playing white, but that's what we're talking about already with the scepter.

>>49236951
Damn, holy shit you made my dream come true so much sooner than I expected...

So about 5 years ago I made Sneak and Tell. Is it still effective today?

I dumped over 2k into it when I was a lot more hardcore about magic. I've just been casually playing edh since. Not sure if I should keep the deck together or scrap it for something else.

>>49237361
It's not super great like it was one dig through time was around but the deck is certainly still good.

>>49237361
Still one of the best combo decks imo.

>>49237180
It's like Vampiric Tutor, but better
other than the extra mana and life

>>49237506
As long as your card is in the first 15 (plausible), it's the same amount of life or less.

Lim-Dûl's Vault is pretty awesome card, but two mana is for a lot of decks a deal breaker. On the other hand, for 1 mama it would most likely be banned anyways.

>>49237361
It is good. For a while it was broken in the form of OmniTell when dig through time was around and got that card banned for being pseudo tutor for wincons.

>>49236432
>Decklist
Here's what I was working with at the event. I can post sb if you want too.
4x Careful Study
4x Breakthrough
3x Faithless Looting
4x Putrid Imp
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
4x Stinkweed Imp
3x Golgari Thug
4x City of Brass
4x Gemstone Mine
4x Cephalid Coliseum
2x Mana Confluence
3x Ichorid
4x Narcomoeba
4x Bridge From Below
3x Dread Return
2x Flayer of the Hatebound

>explosiveness is unparalleled
My argument has been and always will be that LED is a great card for a cute combo that almost never happens in the deck. The best you can possibly do is T1 land/breakthrough/LED into looting for a total of 6 dredges, with any luck winning you the game. Cute.

I've found it much more likely that I'm stuck with LED in a hand that would have been great with literally ANY draw spell or even Pimp. It happened to me so many times I dropped LED and never looked back, and when they printed Looting I went up to 11 draw spells.

>Reanimator
oh, that's me.


Also, does anyone think the original dual lands should not be on the restricted list? They're a format staple in every deck and they're pretty cost-prohibitive to enter the format; I'm really more concerned about the format as it will exist in the future as these lands will inevitably keep increasing in price--who will be left to play against?

>>49238247
>T1 land/breakthrough/LED into looting for a total of 6 dredges
Tell me where those dredges come from if you play breakthrough as a first spell.

I think I mentioned it earlier in these threads, but LED makes turn 1 or turn 2 combos a lot more reliable on hitting looting. It also forces you into the combo route and you can't come back if you get hit by GY hate. (Of course in cases like RiP it's game over anyway, but still...) I've yet to see someone else mainboard petals. Personally I think it's rather good mainboard card, depending if your meta is full of daze. It's as fast as LED, or actually faster since you can breakthrough T1 AFTER looting, but way less reliable.

Also, I have seen some people to play less than a set of putrid imps. Hesitant to say it's a correct choice as it's so powerful discard.

>>49238294
Future of legacy is already dead. There just isn't enough dual lands.

>>49238247
>tfw I'm 15 cards off of just having that
How would you say that compares to Manaless against SB hate and average kill speed?

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>>49238300
>Tell me where those dredges come from if you play breakthrough as a first spell.
You don't? It's shorthand for cracking the LED.
>Petals and LED's in dredge
>mfw

>>49238391
Can manaless do anything against hate aside from Chancellor?

I think non-LED is certainly better against hate if only for the reason that it runs more lands. My reasoning is slowing the game down for the sake of more keepable hands, and usually my endgame is t2/3 (have zombies and fuck their hand up with therapy).

>>49236895
I'm not Cavius but he is a hero.

fuck I haven't been namefaggiing this whole time

>>49238480
I might shift over to your LED-less list, but with 1x FKZ instead of the 2nd Flayer

>>49238500
Yeah, I haven't been crazy about the Flayers, I used to play every build with Sphinx of Lost Truths (I guess Grizzles Now) + FKZ.

>>49238534
What's your SB look like?

TELL ME ABOUT UB REANIMATOR

IF I EXILE IT'S GRAVEYARD, WILL IT DIE?

>>49238831
IIRC
1x Ichorid
4x Leyline of Sanctity
4x Firestorm
1x Elesh Norn
1x Angel of Despair
4x Nature's Claim

>>49227055

>Kavu Predator+False Cure

Finally my favourite deck is there.

>>49238894
I'll never understand people like you. Whatever makes you happy I guess.

>>49238441
Oh my herp derp there, but Petals have been a sideboard card for a long, long time.

>>49238905

Because you've never made someone kill themselves to their own Tendrils of Agony because they thought "Oh he's not blue therefore no FoW to stop my combo going off."

Or winning by windmill slamming 4 Skyshroud Cutter's

>>49238873
Maybe he's wondering why you would exile a graveyard before there are any reanimation targets.

>>49238247
LEDs and Wraiths no pimps is just better vs nothing but DRS and chalice for 1: The Meta. You can crack the LED just to dump your hand back to feed Ichorid if you never hit Looting/vs Chalice or when your pimp eats removal and LED+loot is the only way to get back in the game sufficiently fast after taking out a t2 rip. G1 LED is also the best fow bait if your opponent doesn't put you on Dredge, allowing you to resolve your loots.

>>49238982
And will never. Too cute for me broham.

>>49238891
Why Angel of Despair over Ashen Rider?
What do you bring that in against?

>>49239030

It only ever catches off inexperienced players mostly but it's hilarious when it does.

>>49238873
A good player will just Entomb at the end of your turn and reanimate next turn, some of them run Show and Tell as well, so no.
>>49238891
Durr it's Ashen Rider now not Angel.
>>49239002
Whatever makes your dick hard, my man. I've found that packing fuckloads of draw spells makes the deck go off consistently, which is how the deck wins. LED shenanigans just aren't worth the heartbreak of dead hands.

>>49239075
Sorry I ran angel so long I still can't remember Ashen Rider's name.

>>49239093
Surgical extraction my dude. I've entombed EoT and gotten booty blasted when I tried to reanimate on my upkeep before. You gotta name your targets on cast too so they know exactly what to extract.

>>49239108
True. You need a live counter for surgical or you get btfo

How do you guys feel about Daze in storm decks? I'be been considering testing Daze in my DDFT list. Probably would do either -1 Burning Wish, -1 Duress, +2 Daze, or -1 Duress, -1 Abrupt Decay, +2 Daze

>>49239317
I've seen a couple jap ANT lists using daze. It's an intriguing idea. It seems like it would be better suited for doomsday as it would be less likely to gum up the combo and help resolve DD.

>>49239317
Pretty much this >>49239367. If I'm going to play a combo, at least in game 1 I'm going to go balls-to-the-wall deep on the combo. If I get BTFO I can sideboard appropriately and figure out how to take back the game. If I give my opponent what for, now I'm up a game and I can sideboard knowing it's my game to lose.

In short, if I was playing Storm, Daze and other counterspells would be sideboard cards.

>>49239426
Well I have been playing 2 flusterstorm in the side and really liking it. But I think it's worth trying 2 Daze main. Doomsday plays 8 interaction slots main, which is more than other storm decks. Most TES lists and many ANT lists have been playing only 6 discard spells. 6 discard spells and 2 Daze won't hurt the deck too much and I feel like Daze could help out in some tough matchips without hurting the good ones much if at all.

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I keep my deck loose in one of these tins.

>>49239732
Psh, what a waste of money. That's what pockets are for.

>>49239790
I just carry mine around in my hand, with 4 elastic bands to make sure I don't lose any.

>>49239800
without sleeves

>>49239800
I put a layer of sticky tack between my cards to hold them together.

>>49239822
Of course I have sleeves! We've only just left winter, my arms would be cold without them!

>>49239849
>australia

>>49239856
>The entire southern hemisphere

>>49239883
>australia

>>49229993
Huge potential if you put it into play with Sneak Attack.

>>49238873
Depends on the tools you use to do it and the timing. I run 1x Show and Tell in the main for (You)

>>49239732
Those fucking tins, they're wonderful to keep your dice in, makes every motherfucker in a 10-feet radius know you're coming.

>>49239915
I was gonna respond, but you're obviously joking.

>>49239903
Fuck, you got me mate

>>49239948
Memes aside, extol the virtues of reanimator for me please. I'm trying to work up enough courage to pull the trigger on the duals I will need to make it mine.

>>49229993
Nope. In any deck where it would function there's a better creature.

So so far for cheapest legacy I've seen Cheerios, Oops and what else? Is there any other cheap legacy with a chance at winning? I'm not looking for tier 1 world destroyers, just something I can play with the legacy crowd while slowly buying staples.

>>49239987
It's a simple, fast, consistent and powerful combo that allows you to play a variety of disruption.

>>49240069
Dredge or Burn?

You really shouldn't get into Legacy (maybe even mtg in general) if you can't afford it.

>>49240069
There's always Burn, Manaless Dredge. It's relatively cheap and will let you play with the Legacy crowd.

>>49240069
Manaless Dredge will only set you back like $250 or so, tops
EMA reprinting Therapy and Ichorid helps that price a lot, as does not having to play lands.

>>49240096
Oh I can afford it, I just don't want to pay alot for a the best tier 1 superdeck when I could have fun with Jank
>>49240103
>>49240113
I didn't know Manaless Dredge was so cheap. Will certainly check that out.

>>49239987
I all you need is the duals, go for it.
Reanimator has some virtues that other decks can't always boast: it's by nature extremely fast (Entomb + Reanimate often reads: BB: Win the game), resilient to a lot of forms of hate (be it Graveyard hate, creature removal or land destruction), and with the exception of Forces, relatively cheap nowadays: Entomb, Iona and Elesh Norn have been reprinted, and since Griselbrand has been a GP promo there are tons of copies floating around.

However, some things to consider: While it's generally speaking easy to cheat out a fatty, closing out the game sometimes proves more difficult than you'd hope. One way to alleviate this issue is a simple thing to remember: IT'S ALMOST NEVER WRONG TO CHEAT IN GRISELBRAND OVER ANOTHER CREATURE. While Elesh Norn reigns supreme on the board, attacking for four doesn't close out the game fast enough sometimes (I've been there). One hit from Griselbrand is most often enough for people to concede, one hit from Elesh.... not so much.

In that way it feels very different from decks like Sneak & Show, in that getting your main combo online doesn't win you the game on the spot. If you dislike this aspect, you might want to look at other decks as well if you have to invest a lot of money into building Reanimator.

Also, Reanimator, being a graveyard/combo deck, might experience more splash damage than other decks from meta shifts.

The deck is pretty adaptable howver, and there are a ton of lines of play you can make and interactions to consider. Despite what some people say, mastering Reanimator is not easy.

Final words of wisdom: As long as T1 Griselbrand on the play is a powerful move in Legacy, Reanimator will be a viable deck.

>>49240142
>>49240113
My Dredge deck (with lands) before LEDs was about $250 including sideboard. It was a simpler time, let me tell you.

>>49240148
Hitting griselbrand on board usually means the game is over. Drawing 14 cards usually means you can play another fatso on board and you have at least 2 FoWs with backup in hand. Unless it's tin fins and game ends there.

>>49240069

I've seen 8-Land Stompy for $50 and Shadow Stompy decks for $20 on the Salvation forums.

>>49240179
True, but you have to be able to attack as that is your win con, which takes another turn. Also, with Reanimate it usually means you can only draw 7 cards the turn it lands. And trust me, those first 7 can be straight up junk sometimes.

Griselbrand is the most powerful creature in terms of raw power in Legacy in my opinionn, and 9/10 games it means game over. But those 1/10 games where you're slogging and just not getting there, you kinda wish you were playing Tin Fins or Sneak Show instead.

>>49240148
Thank you, that was exactly what I needed. I will need two underground seas and those will hurt. I can cannibalize the other two from ANT. Beyond that, drip feeding the rest of the deck should be no trouble at all. I even have a foil G-money just waiting to be used.

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storm fags on suicide watch

>>49240069
I actually checked Oops all spells and it actually isn't cheap at all.

>>49239948
Why would I be joking?

Haste is what it needs to be useful.
Sneak attack provides that.

>>49240142
Dredge in general is fun and affordable. Burn gets boring really fast imo.

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>>49240291

>>49240291
Jayzus. He even dodges disfigure and mutilate.

>>49240258

You're a braver soul than I. I'm interested in reanimator but I'd be super nervous about buying Dual Lands right now with the Chinese Proxies getting better and better (some of them passing the light and bend tests). I'm tempted to stick with a mono-black build.

>>49240316
Jokes on you, I have a trinity sphere and thorn of amythist out so all my spells cost 4 or more! Ha ha take that burnfag! ;_;

>>49240294
If you manage to resolve Sneak Attack, in your place, I'd much rather have an Emrakul in hand than these Kessig dudes. Also, how do you ensure a bunch of dudes in your deck to make them worthwhile? I feel like Shallow Grave is better suited for this kind of deck than SA, and even then I'd rather have another creature.

>>49240301
I read that as adorable first.
>>just look at these cute Narcomoebas, getting visciously sacrificed ensuring a bunch of fluffy Zombies to rise from their graves; softly whipped to war by some Flaming Berserker

>>49240323
That's why you buy them from reliable people, preferably ones you know IRL so you can beat the crap out of them if they turn out to be fake.

>>49240390
>>just look at these cute Narcomoebas, getting visciously sacrificed ensuring a bunch of fluffy Zombies to rise from their graves; softly whipped to war by some Flaming Berserker
That's my nightmare

>>49240323
I'm feeling pretty confident about it myself. After getting a counterfeit in the mail once already, I think I have a good handle on how to spot a fake. It doesn't hurt that I know a few people to consult over such things as well as some real duals to compare with. Being wise about where you order from is also a thing to consider. Tcgplayer is a good price aggregating site with a variety of vendors and strong buyer protection policies. Source: I bought the counterfeit from some no name vendor and got a full refund. I also bought a real card that seemed slightly suspect to my then untrained eyes and still got a full refund. /shilling

>>49240361
Neither of those affect cmc.

>>49240411
Sweet dreams.

>>49240451
I bought some fakes myself to see how good they are, and honestly, if you've ever seen a dual IRL, or even just held an old Revised magic card in your hand, you'll immediately see and feel (especially feel) the difference.

>>49240474
that's the joke, I think.

>>49240451
>I bought the counterfeit from some no name vendor and got a full refund.

Dang, nice.

>>49240484
The other half of the joke is that those cards hose storm even harder.

What's the consensus on Collector's Edition? Obviously not tourney legal, but they seem more legit than proxies having been printed by WotC. Or should you just use proxies if you aren't going to use a tourney legal printing anyway?

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>>49240504
>play Stax against Storm
>T1 Dark Ritual into Trinisphere
You have no idea how hard my dick is right now

>>49240562
I appreciate the effort people go through if they use CE cards as proxies, but in the end all I ask is that they use scans of the cards with recognizable artwork from across the table for the sake of clarity

>>49240291
Fucking shit they really are trying to kill all combo decks. I tricked myself into denying it til now. Hopefully this thing won't see much play because at 3 mana in those colors it doesn't really have a spot in existing decks.

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>>49240630
>because at 3 mana in those colors

esper miracles guy coming for you

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>>49240390
>dredge
>not adorable
Ichorid is my waifu

>>49240665
>not picking Iona
what are you, some kind of Louisianafag

>>49240680
Slimey snakelike things give me a big rubbery one

>>49240562
I use a CE underground sea in edh myself. No one has a problem and I can't imagine anyone ever will.

>>49240661
I can't imagine him really wanting that. But if shot like that starts to become popular I might change my sideboard disfigures to bolts. Bolts kill painter too so that's a plus.

>>49240630
I'm feeling the hate too man. Shit sucks.

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>>49240692
That's what you get from living in a swamp your whole life.

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>>49240665
>tfw gay for rk post

>>49240630
Didn't you hear? Combo isn't fun for new players! Now get back to turning creatures sideways and buy more Eldritch Moon packs.

>>49240833
Whenever I look at standard games being played, the board states look like fucking EDH. Except there's no Wrath of God or Damnation to fix it.

>>49240833
I'll give Maro a faceful of my Eldritch Moon if he keeps this shit up.

>>49240776
I mean, he's not unattractive...

>>49240873
It occurs to me that I'm dumb and I was actually watching Eldritch Moon draft. But regardless, creature standoffs are lame.

>>49240735
The irony being that I'm not actually from here at all. I'll take a Bayou over a Tundra any day, though. Fuck the cold. I hate not untapping.

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>>49240776
Have you met him? One of the coolest artists ever.
>>49240965
He used to have a stupid hot girlfriend who modeled for a ton of cards like pic related. I've heard they were swingers but it might just be a rumor.

>>49240291
Looks like a conspiracy card.
How much will he be worth?

>>49241182
I've actually got a playmat signed by him. Give me a minute to take a photo of it.

>>49241142
I'm stuck in Illinois for work purposes. I want to go back to the coast.
>tfw trapped under humidity orb all damn year every year

>>49240873
New players don't undersand the bauty of locking your opponent with solitary confinement and double Sterling Groove
With replenish in hand for those who sideboard in Back to nature

>>49241182
>not Dusk Knight

You had one job Wizards.

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>>49241182
>>49241245
God, my desk looks shitty.

>>49241283

>21

Wow you got that signed early, I was at that GP.

>>49241319
A bunch of people from my LGS have the first 10 or so

How'd you do at the GP?

>>49241245
I've got a couple token sketches and one on my mat, all Ichorid. He's a boss.
>>49241247
I went to school in Indiana. I don't think you could pay me enough money to go back to the Midwest.

>>49241283
Where is your bong? Don't lie to me now, I know you're a filthy hippie. Those USB sticks say it all.

>>49241389
I haven't had a bong since like, 2014
Long story.
One of the USBs I got for free in high school, the other has my graphics drivers on it from the guy I bought my PC from.

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>>49241354

3-4 before dropping.

I was real close to getting a chance to possibly top 8 on the Super Sunday Series though. I was playing Elves and my secret spicy tech at the time was a 1-of Chordable copy of Tajuru Preserver(signed!) just to blank Eldrazi decks bringing in All is Dust. I chorded for it 5 times in said relevant situation and the only one time it failed to protect me was when the guy had an SSG in hand and Dismember'd it.

Also there was some guy who brought a Battle of Wits deck to the Super Sunday Series. It was fantastic but his opponent didn't think so.

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>>49241444
Now snap one of your lands deck.

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While we're on the RK circlejerk, I also got these at the Melbourne GP

>>49241501
Rough. I ended up 2-4-drop for the main event, and I can't remember how I did in Super Sunday, but I'm pretty sure it was terrible.
I was playing UR Storm

I never would have figured for Louisianafag to be a Dredge player. Figured he'd be more of a High Tide guy.

>>49241389
>filthy hippie
I prefer the term Druid-American.

>>49241584
>American
Mate. No.

>>49241599
How do mtg cards even get to Australia?
obligatory
>muh guns

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>>49227034
>mfw trying UW miracles for the first time
I'm just a filthy casual player, but I'm seriously considering getting into Legacy now
Never had this much fun

>>49241678
>more miracles players
When will the horror end?

Welcome anyways

>>49241667
You just throw them off of the planet, and the safety net catches a few boxes here and there. That's why everything is so much more expensive, you have to pay people to check all of the nets.

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>>49241514
it's not changed in ages.

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>>49241696
Fucking Australians. You're alright by me, boys.

>>49240390
Shallow Grave is one use only and exiles the creature you use it on.
Not great synergy with Kessig Cagebreakers.

Sneak Attack fills up your graveyard with bodies to further fuel the Cagebreakers.

If you have Sneak Attack and 2 Kessig Cagebreakers and 6 creatures in your graveyard you can attack for a total 30 damage with 14 haste creatures on turn 6.

Firestorm provides a great way to fill your graveyard with creatures and clear the way for the attack.
You could (assuming you make it through the first 5 turns playing only 1 card a turn and went second) cast Firestorm then Sneak Attack and use it to play the Kessig Cagebreakers on turn 6, doing 5 damage each to 5 targets and then attack with between 5 and 10 2/2 creatures (plus the 3/4 Cagebreakers).
If your opponent has some kind counter spell I would put my money on them using it against Firestorm.

Obviously Emrakul is more devastating but also more likely to end up stuck in your hand if your attempts at getting it into play without paying its 15 mana cost are foiled.

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>>49241376
Here's my mat for some shitposting in a casual /v/ thread a while back

>>49241769
What is that random shitpile supposed to be?

>>49241769
Is that an Alpha Bolt?

>>49241819
Looks like Beta to me.

>>49240291
This card is pretty memeing, I'm sure air could find a place for him the board... or maybe DnT splashes black again for this fella

>>49241792
Just random Legacy shit. They were bitching about card prices and I was collecting (You)s.
>>49241819
Beta.

>>49241840
Deadguy Ale tier 1 now

>>49241863
Plebians, good on you to show them

So I'm sitting at a studentpub and have nothing better to do than chat about legacy on 4chan, the circle of asociality is soon complete ~~
/rant

>>49241247
I live in missouri and there's no prospects for a good life anywhere near here.

>>49241570
Kek

>>49241247
>tfw minnesota
>tfw no great legacy scene here
>annoying weather all year
kill me

>>49241840
A 3 mana card is too slow against Storm

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>>49242625
>tfw new England
>tfw stablet legacy scene
>tfw my lgs is starting bi-weekly legacy nights in october
Life is good

Pic related, it''s tfw

>>49242626
Probably... might be okay against the mirror or other spell heavy decks. I'm trying to be optimistic

>TFW used to only be missing 2 plateaus and 4 wasteland from RW Goblins back in 2014
>legacy scene completely died
>sell out of legacy
>FF to early 2016
>legacy starts back up in my area

>>49242853
Really no reason to run it against Storm when there's Ethersworn Canonist.

>>49242967
You done goofed.

>>49242983
I kept the Caverns, Vials, fetches and Modern-legal stuff, and played a RW goblin brew in Modern, up until building Storm for the GP and having to sell my goblins cards that were worth money to pay some bills

>>49243051
>selling cards to pay bills
Fuck, dude. I hope that never happens to me.

>>49243125
It's sucks man, that's how I wound up playing dredge instead of ANT

>>49238294
WotC can keep their heads in their sands all they want. Counterfeits are the future of Legacy.

>>49243125
It was pretty shit, dude.
I ended up selling like $700 in stuff.
Which is why I built Manaless instead of rebuilding Goblins. I'm poor AF

At least everything I sold, I sold at a profit. Picked up vials and caverns for $25ea, sold them at 45-50 each.

>>49242979
This is true. The card still might be okay against the miracles mirror or for DnT against spell heavy decks, please I'm trying to be optimistic

Speaking of selling cards.
>scrape off piles of random cards littering my desk
>Mostly random utility shit and some janky I was partial too
>Nothing too expensive, maybe $10 here and there
>take em to the shop and hawk the lot
>check out the tally
><$900 worth of cards
>Jesus H. Christ -Creature 1/2
>shop owner flips a beta dark rit at me and asks if I meant to sell that

I started rifling through the stack after that. Apart from the rit, it was just a pile of shit and one Iona and still tallied over $900. I was surprised to say the least.

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Only card i've ever sold was this Recruiter.

Still no idea how I ever got it in the first place.

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>>49242625
>>49242592
Man, fuck middle America in its entirety. There are less than 1000 people in this podunk town and this gas station is the only significant store. Please excuse my shit posting.

>>49243494
Feels bad my friend.

>>49243494
damn man, where is that?
i feel like i've driven through there before

>>49243494
I grew up in a town that had a population of ~1300 in 2011. I feel you.

The nearest store for us was in the fucking CBD.

>>49241444
>not immediately duble sleeved

rip, might as well roll pot with them

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What do people think of the EMN Prerelease Zombie tokens?

>>49244458
The top row is all I ever want to use for my Dredge Zombie tokens for the rest of forever.

I only have 2 EMA Prerelease tokens.

I want to die.

>>49244516
I have all 5 of mine on the top row normally, I just flipped the other two for the photo. My plan at the moment is to acquire more of them whenever I'm able.

>>49243555
Thompsonville, IL

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>>49243494
>>49244725
Here's his gas station.

Something about this is so sad to me. Anon working his gas station job, the young couple caught by the Google Maps car. It makes me feel really lonely, especially here in front of my screen.

I'd hug you if I could, gas station Anon.

forgot muh image

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ITT

>>49243494
You only need 2 guys to be able to play.

Used to live in a small village of 2000 people at younger age and it was where I started to play.

>>49245340
I guess I could teach one of the toothless meth heads how to play but they might rob me before the game ends.

Does theft constitute a game loss for the victim or the robber? I'll have to run this by Galvanic.

>we're already at 300 posts
I don't know what the fuck is going on but I love it.

>>49245649
And as much as 30% is legacy relevant!

>>49245679
Legacy? What's that? I thought this was the "Namefag And Talk About Tokens" thread

>>49245679
I just got here. Is this normal?

>>49245747
There is no normal while I'm around.

And especially while Esper miracles guy and infect guy are around

>>49245747
like two weeks ago we didn't have a constant thread and the ones we did have would die. there was no namefagging and most of the posts were actually about legacy, though.

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>>49245875
Remeber when these threads would happen once a week and get 69 posts before dying?

Hey, I was looking through old legacy decks and I was wondering, why did 12-post stop using Tooth and Nail?

>>49246202
because nobody plays 12-post

>>49246311
Thankfully this is true. I've heard about a scary deck called "eldrazi post" though and I really hope that doesn't catch on

>>49246352
Sounds dumb. I wanna play it on Xmage now.

>>49245649

I'm pretty sure a lot of it is because we like showing off our expensive decks and shit. That's as much fun as actually playing.

>>49246352
the last post list was an eldrazi list yeah
it's honestly probably the best list right now, titan just seems too slow

>>49246476
I don't mind if they still use titan instead of big mean eldrazi....

>>49246536
they don't, it's essentially eldrazi stompy except it can run the titans and can actually make use of eye

>>49244458
did anyone else think the bottom ones looked like the chick from the shining?

>>49247439
I've never seen the Shining, so no.

New thread when

So Louisianafag, where do you normally play? Because I played at Gathering Battlefield in Denham every week for FNM until a month ago when it went underwater.

>>49248605
I'm way on the other side of the state in Lake Charles, man. You guys holding up alright? Did you save your cards?

>>49248898
I'm fine, my area didn't get flooded. The shop I played at is gone and a lot of people I know lost almost everything. Me and another guy who came through with everything intact are donating a bunch of cards for tournaments to support the affected players.
Really jonesing for Legacy games now that I'm not playing it every single week for FNM.

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