MTG LEGACY GENERAL - Ghost Rare Edition

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>>49201316
Common Legacy - Decks You Should Prepare to Face
>Miracles
>Delver variants
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Death and Taxes
>Eldrazi Stompy
>Shardless BUG
>Lands

Uncommon Legacy - Decks You Should Know About
>LED Dredge
>Reanimator
>Infect
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>TES (The Epic Storm)
>Elves
>Painter
>MUD
>Maverick
>4-Color Loam
>Nic Fit
>Sneak n Show

Rare Legacy - Decks You May See On Occasion
>Enchantress
>MUD
>Dragon Stompy
>Goblins
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>Aluren
>Food Chain
>12 Post
>Belcher
>Blood Moon Stompy
>Tezzerator
>Sneak n Breach

Mythic Legacy - Decks You'll See Once a Year
>Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils
>Cheerios
>Sea Stompy
>Nourshing Lich
>Spanish Inquisition

First for Dredge

>>49201316
>>Playing?
Manaless Dredge
>>Extra deck?
In my dreams.
>>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?
Oh no, I can't cast Probe or Therapy. I guess I'll just Dread Return this Balustrade Spy on turn 2 anyway.

Posting the Lich List so new anons can be in on the joke. This is as real as it gets.
NOURISHING LICH Rev 1!
4 Nefarious Lich
2 Lich
4 Nourishing Shoal
4 Autochthon Wurm
2 Zuran Orb
2 Summoner's Pact
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Chrome Mox
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Thoughtseize
2 Grapeshot
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Isand
2 Swamp
1 Tomb of Urami

And to answer the question:
>primary deck
DDFT
>secondary deck:
Nourishing Lich
>Silver bullets
Flusterstom in the board
>can you beat chalice@1
Both decks are capable of it. Shutting off cantrips makes it tough. But DDFT can wish for meltdown or find the 1 main deck decay, and Lich can just ignore it if it draws the combo pieces naturally.

>>49201637
amazing

>>49201637
I know some of these cards. Tfw only have a zombie graveyard ub standard deck. I have no idea how to go about getting into legacy.

>>49201637
Back on Chrome Mox, eh?

Possible transformative sideboard:
4x Buried Alive
1x Triskelion
1x Phyrexian Devourer
1x Necrotic Ooze
1x Putrid Imp
4x Shallow Grave
3x Reanimate

>>49201789
Well that's the list I'm playing with in the MTGO league, so it's rev1. I have some plans to tune it up, but since I can't change my list while in still in the league i'm still on rev1.

>>49201950
Oh okay, I don't play on MTGO, only paper, so not sure how everything works there.

>>49201316
>Playing?
Dredge is my primary, hence the namefagging.

>Secondary?
Burn. Ported over from Modern, the deck is so much better now.

>Silver bullets?
There's apparently a lot less Miracles at my shop than I thought. Nevertheless I still run a stock sideboard for both Burn and Dredge.

>G1 T1 Chalice on 1
Oh, so that's how you want to play it, Eldrazi? Watch me reanimate my Iona on colorless; have fun casting spells. Don't you call a judge over here, I have a gun.

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>>49201325
>TFW no pox

>>49201325
>>49202104
Here's a list I updated from last thread.

Common Legacy - Decks You Should Prepare to Face
>Miracles
>Delver variants (Grixis, Izzet, BUG, RUG)
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Death and Taxes
>Eldrazi Stompy
>Shardless BUG
>Lands

Uncommon Legacy - Decks You Should Know About
>LED Dredge
>Reanimator
>Infect
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>TES (The Epic Storm)
>Elves
>Painter
>MUD
>Maverick
>4-Color Loam
>Nic Fit
>Sneak n Show

Rare Legacy - Decks You May See On Occasion
>Enchantress
>MUD
>Dragon Stompy
>Goblins
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>Aluren
>Food Chain
>12 Post
>Belcher
>Pox Control
>Blood Moon Stompy
>Tezzerator
>Sneak n Breach
>Stax (White or Black)

Mythic Legacy - Decks You'll See Once a Year
>Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils (DDFT)
>Cheerios
>Nourshing Lich
>Sea Stompy
>Spanish Inquisition
>Parfait
>The Cure (Kavu Predator + False Cure)

>>49202231
>>49201325
>Dragon Stompy
>Blood Moon Stompy
it's the same shit, why is it in there twice?

>>49202349
Apparently so is MUD, in both Uncommon and Rare Legacy. I'll take out Blood Moon and leave Dragon Stompy.

Common Legacy - Decks You Should Prepare to Face
>Miracles
>Delver variants (Grixis, Izzet, BUG, RUG)
>ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)
>Death and Taxes
>Eldrazi Stompy
>Shardless BUG
>Lands

Uncommon Legacy - Decks You Should Know About
>LED Dredge
>Reanimator
>Infect
>Stoneblade
>Burn
>TES (The Epic Storm)
>Elves
>Painter
>Maverick
>4-Color Loam
>Nic Fit
>Sneak n Show

Rare Legacy - Decks You May See On Occasion
>Enchantress
>MUD
>Goblins
>Merfolk
>High Tide
>Aluren
>Food Chain
>12 Post
>Belcher
>Pox Control
>Dragon Stompy
>Tezzerator
>Sneak n Breach
>Stax (White or Black)

Mythic Legacy - Decks You'll See Once a Year
>Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils (DDFT)
>Cheerios
>Nourshing Lich
>Sea Stompy
>Spanish Inquisition
>Parfait
>The Cure (Kavu Predator + False Cure)

>>49202349
It''s just a mistake. Blood moon stompy covers all the various stompy decks, minus eldrazi and 8/10-Land Stompy

>>49201316

>Playing?
infect
>Extra deck?
maritocracy
>Silver bullets for the local meta?
the whole deck is a silver bullet for my meta. bunch of miracles and dnt.
>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?
24 1 cmc spells. I don't need any of them to win, but outlook is bleak.

>Playing?
Grinding station/ANT
>Extra deck?
Pffffff, not needed
>Silver bullets for the local meta?
You think I need them to win?
>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?
I mean... I don't really care as long as you don't follow it up with a clock of some kind.

>>49202377
Nope, no and what?

Blood moon type decks =/= chalice + trinisphere decks that are usually referred as stompy decks. I suppose blood moon stompy is one with blood moon AND chalice + trinisphere.

>>49202730
>Blood moon type decks =/= chalice + trinisphere decks that are usually referred as stompy decks
I'm sorry but what? What blood moon deck doesn't run chalice and trinisphere?

>>49202730
Decks like dragon stompy usually play chalice, moon effects and trinisphere. Moggcatcher and werewolf stompy fall under this as well. Eldrazi stompy doesn't play moon because it relies on its nonbasics. 8-land stompy is an ancient deck, presumably nonviolent that was a land grant aggro deck and had the stompy name but didn't play like the current decks with the stompy moniker.

>>49202779
*nonviable, not nonviolent

Hey faglords, is this the pauper club? And if not, is this where we talk about China?

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>>49202796
CHYNA

buy villa zheng

>>49202760
What I said was that stompy deck doesn't mean blood moon deck, see here:
>>49202377
>Blood moon stompy covers all the various stompy decks

Which meaning I probably misunderstood. anyway, stompy variants all play almost same, but I have seen some decks play blood moon main with trinisphere being only in sideboard. It's the same shit tho.

>RUG Delver
>many extra decks though recently I threw together goblins
>kind of silly but I play 1 divert against elves and bug
T1 chalice is pretty back breaking if it resolves. Hopefully I can force it or daze it if I went first otherwise it's over.

>>49201316
>Playing?
ANT. Actually I'm not really playing it. I just built it on a whim. There is no place around here to play legacy. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I love this game enough to build decks like one would build a model ship and I get significant enjoyment out of simply collecting cards. I still have hope that one day I'll be able to play. Legacy is the format that ignited my passion for this game.
>Extra deck?
Nothing yet but I have a lot of pieces for a lot of decks with relatively minimal investment required to complete some of them. Just need a city of traitors and a couple wastelands and poof, I have a half foiled eldrazi list. If I pick up some more duals, I could have Shardless BUG complete in short order. A few ports, some dark depths and lands is in the bag. That said, it's no small undertaking and I have to be sure of my choice before I pull the trigger. Right now, it's between reanimator and miracles. I expect to favor reanimator when my finances recover as miracles, cool as it is, is just not black enough.
>Silver bullets for the local meta?
Meta? I seem to be missing that staple and every shop I go to is sold out.
>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?
Pretty hard I imagine. Locking out my cantrips and half my rits, in theory, spells game over. Recovery is not impossible but extremely unlikely before a thorn effect or chalice on 0 finishes the job.

>>49202820
how do I do that?

>>49203065
I wouldn't bother (again) personally, the quality is great for proxy purposes, but don't expect to fool a lot of people. They're fairly obvious imo, although not everyone pays close attention to your cards.

>>49203089
How long did it take for your cards to come in? I ordered mine about a week ago.

>>49203089
I mean all I want is to play at my LGS without anyone giving me the stink-eye

>>49203197
Everyone knows Legacy is expensive, noone will care if you print out some duals so you can play the format.

>>49203104
Can't remember exactly, but it was pretty fast. I'm guessing 10 days or something?

>>49203249
>>Everyone knows Legacy is expensive, noone will care if you print out some duals so you can play the format.
People who play Magic tend to be turboautists man, I am not showing up at a sanctioned tourney with something that'll be identified without at least unsleeving it

>>49203306
>>sanctioned tourney

Yeah, I thought you meant just casual games at your LGS.

Don't expect Villa Zheng proxies to fool your local judge though.

>>49203391
My LGS does weekly Legacy which is sanctioned, and it's pretty competitive, so I was hoping for something where I could actually play the fucking game instead of having to buy into this weird-ass cult of consumption that's spawned around Magic, but alas, I'll have to stick to Go if Villa can't get his shit together and counterfeit better

Made a link for organizing the time of a potential tourney.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J73oDOSYGHwLdQObJ6vqV5e4CYC-H4QVebrm_TZW2Qc/edit?usp=sharing
The idea is for everyone to put times where they would be OK with an 8-man STARTING at that time. For instance, I'm actually free from (approx) 8-AM to 11-AM on MON/WED but the tournament couldn't start at 10 (it might be able to start at 9 but it could be a strain) or I'd have to leave by the end of it, so the only time I put down was 8 as that was the only time it could start.
To indicate that you're free a certain time just add a comma and some mark specific to you. Once 8 people intersect on a time we can set a tourney to start then.
REMEMBER TO ADJUST FOR TIME ZONES. The organizer is on central time.
Put times whenever you're free, if someone is left out then that person won't go, no big deal.

>>49203667
People who organize international things and don't use the international standard of UTC should be hanged desu

>>49201316
I only clicked on this thread because I recognized nefarious lich from an idiotic deck a friend made way back when Odyssey was in standard.

The only time it ever could have won a game, the person using it intentionally did something to lose the game to make the creator REEEEEEEEE

Building and green deck after steping out of mtg for 2 years now jumping back in, Stopping and timed rush down any problems

>>49202873
To be fair, Trinisphere is the worst lock piece in the dark. Against Miracles it doesn't do much, and as hard as it can hit Delver it isn't a hard lock.

Blood Moon stompy is just the most common type. White Stompy is certainly a thing. You can go creature based with Thalia's, Winter Orbs, Wasteland and Chalice. You can go the Suppression Field route and run Moat along with a pile of angels. You can go Stax and run closer to a MUD deck.

The common theme of Stompy is lock pieces combined with manabase pressure. Some cut back on the mana pressure, but they tend to be the least threatening of the Stompy decks. Chalice and Sol Lands are the key cards, and I'd call any deck running both Stompy. This includes Tezz decks, in many ways they are the thinking man's Stompy deck

>>49205284
I think tezz decks operate very differently from stompy decks. They're permanent based control decks with a toolbox.

>>49205749
Goblin Stompy is permenant based control with a toolbox. As is Human Stompy. And Sea Stompy.

They're all prison decks, Tezz is just ac more controlling variant

>>49201316
> playing
My name faggory explains that
>extra deck
Non yet but thinking of working on a DnT deck or ANT
>silver bullets
Non really, unless you count surgical extraction. Because that's a boss
>G1 T1 chalice
I don't know, I play it out for a couple turns to see if I get council's judgment or a monasterey mentor or Jace to do something

>Playing?
RUG Delver
>Extra deck?
Building Grixis Omnitell, seems awesome
>Silver bullets for the local meta?
Nothing, meta here is pretty diverse.
>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?
If that shit doesn't get Forced then I guess I hope I can Daze/Force/Wasteland my survival until I draw a Goyf. So basically, I'm fucked.

>>49201325
>no Scepter Control

>>49205782
You're right that they have toolboxes. I should have been more clear. Tezzerator does not subscribe to the "slam lockpiece, slam threat, win" game plan that stompy decks do. Even if those stompy decks can select their threat or their lockpiece through a toolbox of some kind, they still operate differently than tezzerator decks. I can almost see an argument for tezz being at one end and eldrazu being at the other end of the aggro-to-control stompy spectrum, but I think tezzerator is too different from stompy for that to really make sense.

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>>49206476

>>49206920
If Sea Stompy is on there, Scepter Control should be too.

>>49206920
Man, do you just hate everybody? Or just the easily triggered like myself

>>49201316
anyone know of what the best app is to do deck editing and just general card prices?

>>49201325
What's the current Cheeri0s decklist?

>>49206941
Next legacy thread should be "esper miracles guy gets triggered edition"

>>49207003
I don't like the sound of that... can we go back to having regular discussions about legacy?

>>49204919
Whatever, I'll fix it for next thread. I don't see how adjusting to that time is easier than any other time, but OK.

>>49206997
elves

>>49207073
Fuck off

>>49207003
MTG LEGACY THREAD - DDFT Guy is the only sane one left, /dredge/guy has been thrown off a cliff, Reanimator guy is always drunk, and Esper miracles guy is too triggered to post anymore

Also infect guy and a few other dudes

>>49206976
Card prices for me is MTGFamiliar, deck editing I just use my phone's Notepad.

>>49207086
thanks
getting back into this shit and picking up what i can at flea markets. trying to rebuild a sliver deck i had

>>49207086
To be fair the only reason I'm not drunk everyday is because I've only had 1 piece of I.d for the past 3 weeks

>>49207086
>>Reanimator guy is always drunk

w-what? And I even made a nice thread for you guys...

>>49207109
Trying to make meathooks work again I see? Man I miss that deck.

>>49207184
You sound drunk to me, and I'd like to consider myself an expert on the matter

>>49206997
I'm no expert but I l think it''s something like
4x glimpse of nature
3x scapegoat
4x lotus petal
4x land grant
4x gamble
2x grapeshot
1x Russian foil stomping ground
38x kobold of fuck mountain

No sideboard needed cause you're a baller.

>>49207246
>1x Russian foil stomping ground
Fucking kek

>>49207198
Well, I'm not ____________yet

>>49207246
>foil Russian stomping ground
Anyway, thanks for the list.

Why do you guys not use tripcodes? If you're going to use names anyway, then it's perfectly acceptable, and reduces the chance of imposters.

>>49207581
We're a pretty small group, if it becomes a problem we can start but so far we haven't needed to.

>>49207598
I see. If I pick up legacy, do I get to join the fun?

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>>49207628
Yes, yes you do.

>>49207628
No. Legacy is No Fun Allowed (TM)

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>>49207628
don't listen to that other guy. legacy is the most fun. here's a flowchart from the last thread to pick a deck.

>>49207731

My deck is so forgotten it doesn't even show up there.

>>49207731
So the ones I'm looking at from that are
Cheeri0s
Spanish Inquisition
Necro 2.0
Sea Stompy
Demon Stompy
What's cheap?

>>49207731
God damn I need to finish updating this flowchart. Consider it on my list of things to do before the night is over.

>>49207811
I'm pretty sure cheeri0s is the cheapest of those, but the Russian foil stomping ground will still cost you.

>>49207863
Really? I would have expected one of the stompys to be cheap.

>>49207882
not unless you already have 4x ancient tomb, 4x city of traitors and 4x chalice of the void

>>49207882
Stompy decks need sets of Tomb and City, and City spiked really hard.

>>49207811
SI isn't that bad for expensive stuff.
if it was me i'd go demon stompy since i can't stop ballin though.

Can any anon help me find the art described in >>49207653

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>>49207907
?

>>49207895
>>49207896
So I guess my choices are left to
Inquisition
Cheeri0s
Necro 2.0
Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils

>>49207947
those are all pretty much tier 3-4 decks
not really worth investing in

>>49207941
Not that one, the picture I'm looking for has the wizard holding his hand up and looking like he's grasping a ball of energy

>>49207947
Go with DDFT, people get so damn mad when you win with it and it madly increases your skillz game something fierce.

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>>49207980
Fuck, forgot pic

>>49208001
How hard is it to hit gud at?

>>49208020
*git gud
Fucking phone

>>49201325
I think it should be "Mythic Legacy - Decks you may occasionally hear about". Or phrase it similarly to Rare Legacy ("Decks you may hear about on occasion,") but it flows worse.
>>49201637
Why Rev for 1 when you can Revelation for x=15? :^)
>>49201786
see the chart posted elsewhere
>>49206549
The first Legacy deck I dabbled in was Tezzerator, and I concur: The deck plays very differently from other Chalice Stompy decks. Still, it's not like the deck is a control/prison deck with inevitability; it wants to slow down the game until it can assemble a win conditions, such as a ton of artifacts + Tezz ult, or the thopters combo.
>>49206976
tappedout dot net is fine for deck editing, as it comes with nice graphs for mana curve and land base. The card pricing is there, but without nuances.
>>49207086
>Next episode of Magic the Gathering: Legacy:

>>49208020
whelp you gotta keep track of a bunch of shit and you gotta make sure you know when exactly to go off.
its a storm deck, its an absolutely hilarious storm deck but its a bigass storm deck, so theres stack shenanigans, in addition you gotta put up with the retardation that is DoomsDay and figure out how with the last 3 cards in your deck you are gonna win that turn, this is a really simplified answer as to what the deal is, DDFTguy could probably tell you a bunch more bout his deck, its some great shit if you can get it off.

>>49208063
>$2000
Just realized. Guess I'll try it on XMage or something. Looks like I'll be Cheerios guy soon.

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This is the first time I've ever tried taking a picture of my decks but I always see you guys sharing yours and I kinda wanted in on it.

I've been pleasantly surprised with how well 8-Land Stompy holds up in most matchups. It's also dirt-cheap.

>>49208193
>look up a list
>check price
>$50
Is it really good? I want to believe.

>>49207581
tripcodes are for jerks
>>49207863
>Russian foil stomping ground will still cost you
How many bottles of vodka are we talking about?
>>49207896
>Welder Tezzerator Guy
Did I miss something? Why don't you introduce yourself and post a list?

Also I (Staxman) will drop my name tag until I man up and actually invest in a real cardboard legacy deck. I'm not worthy to consider myself one of you yet. Until then, shuffle well.

>>49208193
>no berserks in the deck
anon plz, also the price is gonna drop like a rock soon so its a really good time to pick them up too, it would be the only expensive card in the deck but its so damn good its ok anyways.

>>49208236

Biggest issue is Chalice, obviously, but lots of Legacy decks have to deal with Chalice at one on turn one. I've been pretty happy with this build, but I am still fine-tuning it.

Warrior's Lessons has been the most surprisingly good addition to the deck as it helps fuel my hand to get the pump I need to closeout the game. Winter Orb is a card that very few decks I've palyed against know how to get around.

>>49208294
Berserks are on my "to get" list, because I cannot overstate how important Trample is to this deck.

>>49208276
Tripcodes are for when your identity is relevant to the thread, retard.

>>49208193
ayy I've got a list like this
gonna pick up some winter orbs and berserks once i get a real job

>>49208353
"Tripcodes are for jerks" is a meme. You're welcome.

>>49208479
I'm a retard.

>>49208322
actually another one that would be pretty great is glimpse in here, actually i kind of want to brew this with those in mind, brb, muh dik.

>>49208007
Commandeer?

>>49208276
I'm sure I've posted it before, but here's my current list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ubr-tezzewelder/
It's not the most competitive but Goblin Welder is probably my favorite card of all time and I want to play a deck with Welders and Thirst. The biggest problem is the mana base though. I used to have 2-3 Cavern of Souls on Goblin to push my Welders through my own Chalices on 1 but I ended up accepting that some games I won't be able to cast Welder and I'll just have to pitch them to Thirst. Tangle Wire is great since I can just tick up my planeswalkers from under it to win and I can reset it with Welder, Wurmcoil beatdown after putting it into play with Welder or hardcasting it is my most common wincon.

Buying the rest of Oops shortly: 4 SSGs 4 manamorphose 1 Pact of Negation or 3 Pacts and 3 guides+morphose main?

>>49209193
Drops oops, go to belcher, the people's champion.

>>49209345
The People's Cannon you mean.

Alright friends, what should I invest in first?
1. DnT
2. ANT
3. Pimp out my miracles deck AND make it uniform at the same time

Pimping out my miracles deck will cost around the same amount as DnT deck will but I'm not sure how much I'll play DnT over miracles. And with ANT, I have the underground seas and some other assorted cards but I'm missing the bulk of the cards

>>49209381
The Glass Cannon with a Hundred Cracks, you mean.

>>49209467
I think you should build _______________infect

>>49209467
buy me DnT instead :^)

>>49209624
I'll cut you

>>49209624
>>49209769
This love-hate relationship is meme worthy.

anime meme worthy

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>>49209989
Please, no cancer

>>49209467
So anyone have actual suggestions or is infect guy gonna trigger me again?

>>49211305

I always prefer having MORE decks to having one pimped out one because I like to have a variety of things to play and spice it up, or have something I can loan to a friend to play, so I would probably say go with building DnT.

Oh and Elspeth is best planeswalker

>>49211305
Post your miracles deck, then I'll give you my humble opinion

>>49211305
Legacy is a format that rewards you for knowing your deck very well, I would stick with one deck and learn all of the matchups.

>>49211680
Fuck you, your opinion is worth shit.
>>49211757
1 sec I gotta pull it out
>>49211789
I know that and miracles will definetley always be my main deck but I do like to spice things up a bit or as one of the other anons said, lend one to a friend.

So far leaning towards pimping out

>>49211757
>>49212177
2x underground sea
3x tundra
4x flooded strand
4x polluted delta
2x marsh flats
2x Plains
4x island

4x sensei's divining top
2x JTMS
1x EtA
1x Council's judgment
2x monastery mentor
1x Counterspell
1x predict
3x snapcaster mage
4x counterbalance
4x brainstorm
4x ponder
4x terminus
4x FoW
4x Swords to plowshares

SIDEBOARD
1x eitherswron canonist
2x thoughtseize
1x nihil spell bomb
1x leyline of sanctity
3x surgical extraction
1x entreat the angels
1x flusterstorm
1x disenchant
1x Rest in peace
1x back to basics
1x notion thief
1x ? (Suggestions welcomed)

The predict is just for testing purposes atm. Not to sure if I like it or not yet, haven't had a lot of chances to use it yet. If anyone has any suggestions on making the deck more Esper-like (more black) please feel free to chime in

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>>49212387
Pimp it out, lad

>>49202078
Would you recommend playing burn as a starting point for Legacy?

>>49212701
It can be fairly simple to play but once you become more experienced with the deck it becomes more complicated than you think. The deck often involves lots of bluffing to scare your opponents from going of or over committing until you can kill them. The deck is fairly cheap and it's far from terrible. If you like burning stuff and want to play with the big boys it's a fine starting point.

>>49212701
Yes.

Play Burn. You will be amazed at how beautiful the deck becomes when you really know what's going on. There will be games when you're completely invincible, and then there will be games where you'll want to chop your dick off. Even if your favorite color is Blue, you'll search for only the best, most beautiful Mountains to pimp out your land base. You'll make every effort to learn all the tiny technicalities and nuances of the deck, and if you get good enough, you'll be able to pinpoint the exact moment when the game reaches a critical point. Do you extend? Do you hold back and wait to rush them with spells?

Watch this video. If you like what you see, you're going to be a Burn player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pJyOtEzLWo

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>>49210427
claim your cancerfag avatar here
fuck off selesyna has been claimed

>>49212993
obviously I'm simic

>>49212993
Izzet for lyfe

>>49212993
orzhov is too cute to pass

>>49212993
Azorius is Bae I'll also take the orzhov and Dimir too

>>49213525
you only get to choose one

>>49213548
Fine, I'll take azorius.
[Spoiler]I'll also take Orzhov and Dimir because you aren't the boss of me and I I need my Esper grills[/spoiler]

names were a mistake

>>49213677
Ffs I hate my phone sometimes.

Alright let's get some none Cancer discussions going on. What is everyone's favourite mechanic and then there most hated mechanic?
Cascade is best mechanic, it's my favourite by far and I'm no too sure what my second and third would be maybe miracles (wow what a surprise)

And I'm sure you all know my least favorite mechanic but to those who don't I FUCKING DESPISE INFECT

>>49212993
Rakdos is best girl. I love me a slutty punk.

>>49208104
>>49208063
Let me tell you about DDFT. It's fun. It's not as hard as you've heard. It's a storm deck that is capable of winning through some bullshit that would make other storm players cry. It trades speed and a susceptibility to burn spells for flexibility and inevitability. It's actually not that much slower than ANT on average, but it has a much lower turn 1 kill rate and a slightly lower turn 2 kill rate. There are about 5 basic piles that win you the game about 85% of the time with only slight variations. The other 15% of the time is the fun and difficult part, but if you can figure out how to win you can wipe smug grins off opponents faces. The deck can't win through absolutely anything, but it feels like it can sometimes.

>>49212993
>fuck off selesyna has been claimed
Motherfucker!
I dunno, I guess I'll go gruul.
Boros izzet and orzhov are all shit taste imo, but all other options are at least fine.

>>49213732
Fuck you, this is the only place I get to be a special snowflake

>>49213733
I liked Chroma, but I liked Devotion even more. And then there was Metalcraft, and my wallet emptied 3 times that day .

>>49212914
Been a while since Ive seen that video. That was great. Ross really had no reason to destroy the Vortex. Just untap and attack but hats off to Patrick for leading the game to a position where that was possible.

I really should build burn as a side deck. I like playing it and its cheap. I might put it off til early next year in hopes of a Goblin Guide reprint since Im so frugal.

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>>49212993
Golgari, for my Bae Life from the Loam
LoamPox4Life

>>49213733
>Cascade is best mechanic, it's my favourite by far and I'm no too sure what my second and third would be maybe miracles (wow what a surprise)
Oh god that is such shit taste. I feel legitimately disgusted.
Favorite mechanic: transmute, makes for fair and fun synergies and combo decks from heartbeat of spring to intuition lands. Second favorite is splice onto arcane, which allows for really really cool decks like peasant high tide and block constructed gifts/greater gifts, it probably would be my favorite mechanic if it was slightly stronger, but I still like it quite a lot as is.
Least favorite mechanic: Cascade, no I'm not joking, that mechanic is legitimately so fucking retardedly broken they are never allowed to print a strong spell with no mana cost ever again. It's high variance and only either works in memerange decks (where it also randomly shafts countermagic) and shitty combo decks. Second least favorite mechanic (again not joking) would be miracle, I have no idea what would inspire anyone to find that mechanic to be good.

>>49213733
Favorite mechanic is dredge, even if it is inherently broken af.
Least favorite is Cascade. Whatever gets cascaded into, someone is going to feel bad. If you cascade into Abrupt Decay with no targets or w/e you will feel bad. When you cascade into Hymn to Tourach or Ancestral Visions your opponent will feel bad.
I guess I just hate random, swingy effects.

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>>49213733
>favorite mechanic

Affinity for artifacts.

>most hated mechanic?

Cumulative upkeep.

Also, those guildchans are all pretty garbage tier. Would not bang.

>>49213902
>>49214008
It seems you and me are gonna be at an impass forever and I'm fairly certain I won't be able to convince you otherwise but fuck it I'm still gonna explain why I love them.

Cascade literally gives you a free card, is that card good, bad, perfect, useless? Who knows that's part of the fun. Or you just build a deck with usually good stuff to cascade into so our don't run into problems like that often, I.e Shardless. Sure it is a very good ability and it's probably high on the storm scale but it does prevent you from playing most counter spells and lots of types of removal because of the ability itself. Miracles is an odd ability in and of itself but it is fun. That feel you get when you need a "miracle" to happen and you draw a terminus off the top is amazing. The cards often emulate an actual miracle happening and it's honestly really cool. The ability is certainly not broken, you may think it is but, be real, it's because of top and brainstorm that they seem so great.

I

>>49214051
>Cumulative upkeep
After playing with the few cards with cumulative upkeep that are actually good (glacial chasm, elephant grass and mystic remora) I actually like it. You think you dislike it for power reasons or you think it is inherently bad?
>>49214008
>even if it is inherently broken af.
I think this is overstated, before timespiral gave cards in the graveyard the potential to be used for insane tempo advantage dredge was mostly just used for life from the loam in extended. There was also a psychatog deck with ichorid but it wasn't anything big.
You can have strong 'graveyard rituals' and you can have insane mill engines, but you can't have both without it getting broken.

>>49214189
Well, as Coldsnap showed, Cumulative Upkeep can work in reverse (adding a benefit as a "cost"), so it isn't an inherently weak mechanic. But I hate the mechanic based on how many terrible cards were printed with it, similarly with Phasing. It was originally designed simply as a terrible drawback. Not the most logical reason to hate a mechanic, but I can't help it.

Glacial Chasm is definitely a great card, though. I remember the first time I actually read what it does and wondered why everyone wasn't running it.

>>49213733

>Favorite Mechanic
Retrace. Love turning dead land draws late game into spells.

>Least Favorite (actually shitty)
Ripple. Here comes Cascade's retarded cousin!

>Least Favorite (to play against)
Hexproof and Infect

>>49214184
>Or you just build a deck with usually good stuff to cascade into so our don't run into problems like that often, I.e Shardless
That's my issue, it incentivises building the least interesting types of decks. You aren't allowed to have any reactive or situational spells.
>but it does prevent you from playing most counter spells and lots of types of removal because of the ability itself
That is not a plus! It is a minus!
>you may think it is
I don't. All I know is I have never felt satisfied resolving a miracle and have never felt satisfied having a miracle getting resolved on me. Playing a grindy game against miracles where you actually feel like you have some inevitability if the game came down to jace/snapcaster/mentor only to lose after your opponent casts 20 power worth of creatures for 7 mana on your endstep is fucking stupid and terminus is even worse.
>>49214238
I meant bad as in design wise, like whether you think it is a bad idea or you just dislike its implementation.
I actually think that the coldsnap reverse cumulative upkeep was mostly missing the point of the mechanic (braid of fire would have been cool at 1 less mana back when mana burn still existed though).

>>49213733
>Favorite Mechanic
Flashback, leads to great value plays and has clear downsides.
>Most Hated
Dredge

I'll trade someone a full dredge deck + board and a modern infect deck sans fetches and duals + board for eldrazi
i'll even throw in most of belcher, like petals, guides n shit

>tfw cant afford eldrazi
>tfw just want to slam giant eldritch horrors

>>49214448
I think paying a mana upkeep cost on your permanents is inherently unfun. Glacial Chasm doesn't deal with this because you are paying life, and as a fan of the color black, I love paying life.

So I guess I'd file that under "implementation".

I actually agree with you that Coldsnap CU missed the point.

>>49214448
If you don't like building a deck to work around the mechanic that's fine, then don't. I like it because they makes you work with limited resources to play value cards, and I like that. I never said my second point was a plus, it is downside and that was my point, it's not THAT broken. As for miracles, your problem seems to be with the deck not the mechanic itself. There is other miracles cards besides terminus and EtA.

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Any suggestions for my Trono-Red burn shell? I got kinda bored of the normal burn shell and thought I'd change it up.

My concern though is that running Tron shuts me out of alot of burn's staples (Bloodmoon, Price of Progress, ect). Any ideas on how to make Tron viable or beneficial in this deck outside of Banefire?

This deck started out as a burn shell running Banefire and Tron as two-of's for a just-in-case finisher. There was some artifact burn thrown in as nostalgia from my Mirrodin days (I cut most of that outside of Shrap-blast, Perilous and Furnace as ammo for the Shrap when I have no Myr on the field.)

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>>49214569
>Dredge + Infect
Keep your cancer to yourself.

>>49213733
>favorite mechanic:
infect. delve is probably my second favorite.
>least favorite mechanic:
outlast was shitty and boring and lame.

>>49214739
hey man, im trying to get off that combo addiction
im doing what i can

>>49214590
>If you don't like building a deck to work around the mechanic that's fine, then don't.
That's not the same thing, like I love synergistic decks, my second favorite mechanic is splice onto arcane for a reason. The issue I have with cascade is that is that building around cascade is building the most boring deck you possibly can. It's not even just that they are boring to play, they are also boring to play against.
>I never said my second point was a plus, it is downside and that was my point, it's not THAT broken.
I meant it wasn't a plus in favor of the mechanic being fun, I understood you were emphasizing a downside.
>There is other miracles cards besides terminus and EtA.
and all of them are swingy in a similar way to them, that's the point. I've played with devastation tide and reforge the soul. The issues I have with miracles the deck is almost entirely the miracle mechanic: I actually (often, at least, I'm not always in the mood) enjoy playing against countertop, even if blind flips can be a bit tilting.
Randomness and variation are necessary parts of the game, but miracles is too much.

>>49214700
Tron is bad, run Cloudposts if you really want to make this deck.

Price is a big deal, and if you aren't running Eidolon, you have already lost.

>>49213733

>Favorite Mechanic

Hellbent, mostly because I'm a relatively aggressive player and tend to find myself with no cards in hand often. I just wish WoTC did more with the mechanic. As it stands it's useful, but pretty meh.

Also, while I didn't start around the original Ravinica, it's when I started to get good at deck-building. Hellbent brings back some nostalgia of building standard decks around that time.

>Least Favorite Mechanic

Surge I guess, mostly because my closer friends have given up on MTG and thus Two-Headed-Giant. I could probably find more uses for Banding in my Decks than Surge.

>>49212914
Hot damn. I think I've seen that before but it's still perfect. Due to that being really fucking cool and tha game happening on my birthday, I'll take up Burn. Got a list?

>>49214759
Don't drag something beautiful like ANT or Show and Tell into this.

>>49214785
But decks with cascade don't have to be linear, limited sure lots of people love playing Shardless (I've never played it so I don't know) but building decks with cascade is so fun. They don't have to be super linear like you seem to think (maybe you do if you want to be uber competitive but that's a different story). OR you can splash in some cascade cards into a deck I.e Jund decks and what not. You see I think my second point does make the mechanic fun, I can't go hoping or searching for this silver bullet, instead I have a bunch of free spells or cards that might be okay but not perfect against whatever it is I am facing. As for miracles? Swingy is kinda the entire point of them. I find to be sweet that a "miracle" can happen when you need it or you just pulled an over costed card. I don't see how they change up the variance and randomness in the game so much. I play against my friends janky decks that are chock full of miracles cards and I don't seem to feel it being random. It does seem that you hate the whole miracles in the miracles deck though from my perspective, with you "liking to play against countertop".

>>49214844

So Cloud X4 and Glimmer X4, but no Vesuva. Maybe go +1 on the Barnairian Ring? I can dig that, because of the life gain + ramp for Banefire.

Price and Eidolon are big, but I'm trying to think of a way of wining without them.

Granted, this is a shity-ity-shigy-gigy- shit-brew, but I want to figure out something that challenges the current idea of what burn can be. Maybe with the collective hive-mind of /tg/ we can brew something new and epic.

>>49214980
>Show and Tell
>beautiful combo
wew lad

>>49215019
1 card combo is best combo

>>49215038
then it's not a combo, is it?

>>49214982
>OR you can splash in some cascade cards into a deck I.e Jund decks and what not.
Jund is probably one of my least favorite decks in all of magic (legacy version is better than most as it has DRS, punishing fire and liliana which are all fun cards), that's basically the core of it. I dislike non-synergistic midrange decks and cascade encourages those decks.
I don't really know what you mean by 'linear' so I can't really comment on that.
>Swingy is kinda the entire point of them.
Yeah, I know. I just really don't like it. Like at least some swingy effects have the decency to be interesting, like upheavel or something, but most miracles just feel like they win you the game if you top deck them.

>>49215213
Yeah I understand your points. It's like I said I won't be able to convince you but at least I tried. We'll just agree to disagree.

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I'm thinking of cutting Spatial Contortion and Not of This World from my sideboard as they were both last-minute additions that didn't see any play. What should I replace them with?

>>49215300
Elemental Blast might be good, as well as Dismembers

>>49214753

Infect isn't my favorite, but it's good and incites alot of rage. I love busting that shit out during kitchen table matches. Makes me have a hardy laugh.

>>49214051

Affinity is one I almost forgot about. Brings alot of good memories up for me though.

>>49212701

Yes.

>>49201950

How does MTGO Legacy compare to paper? I've just been doing paper with my friends. I've been playing since 7th/8th Edition. We just proxy in our power nine cards with Basic lands and a Sharpie.

Also, I've been thinking of hitting up Guardian Games in PDX . Anyone know what the MTG scene is like there? My main stores have been Nexus and Goin' Gaming since Game Geex closed in the the early 2000's.

>>49215300
Not of this world is semi decent, it prevents a white deck from shitting all over you. Draw 14, counter their stp. Spacial contortion seems like garbage though, would rather have dismember or an extra abrupt decay.

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>>49214477
>>Most Hated
>Dredge

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>>49215494
And I'm officially not the only one triggered anymore, here have an adorable praetor that's excited for your date togehter

>>49201637
I made a $10 nourishing lich deck around 7 years ago for kitchen table games. I am glad to see that there are madmen out there still running something similar to what I came up with (but obviou$ly much better).

>>49214844

Also, I appreciate the suggestion of Posts. Banefire only needs to be 6-7 Damage to count as a last minute finisher. The life gain from Glimmer could help alot

Do you think I should be running fetches in this? Most of what I've read discredits the Deck-Thinning and color fixing hypothesis for fetch lands in mono red.

>>49215486
>>49215345
Thanks.

I'll get the dismember and for now I'll keep Not of This World.

>>49215600
Yeah fetch lands are often redundant in burn decks. I'm not too sure about trono burn though. Only way to really know is if you proxie it up and play some games

>>49215600
>>49215670
You run 8-10 fetches in Legacy Burn and 10-13 fetches in Modern Burn. Fetches help fuel the graveyard for Grim Lavamancer and are good for deck thinning and shuffling away bad cards. It's also good for triggering Instant-Speed Searing Blaze, a commonly overlooked card in many matchups.

I wouldn't run Burn without fetches.

>>49215743
>shuffling away bad cards

I don't understand. I assume you mean cards that are situationally bad, but how would you even know?

>>49215743
Hmm you do make a good point, but I've played against maybe 2 burn decks with fetches in them. Also having fetchs in your deck generally worsens your Matchup with other burn and aggro decks. However I am no expert on burn decks so take what I say about it with a grain of salt

>>49209345
I have Belcher already but in my meta it's almost strictly worse since there are no storm, snt or lands to Telemin Performance out and goblin tokens are easy af to answer compared to a deterministic kill.

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>>49213733
>Favorite mechanic
Too many to list just one so ill list a few
Suspend- I love the idea of a powerful spell that you have to wait a while for, builds tension
Landfall- Simple and interesting effect. Helps turn late lands into powerful effects
Level Up- I really loved this mechanic, paying mana to improve a creature just always felt so right and it was just a cool idea they implemented, wish it would come back sometime
Haunt- This ones a weird one but I actually find it to be pretty interesting. It fits the name well at least

>Least favorite
Dredge- I dont really have an issue with the deck but the mechanic is just dumb. The graveyard becomes a convoluted mess.
Annihilator- Absurd, absolutely absurd. I understand these were supposed to be huge cards and their effects thusly gamefinishing but its just absurdly powerful and theres no way to even counteract it cause its sacrificed not destroyed. So you cant Boros Charm make everything indestructible. Sigardas about the only way to stop it.
Infect- Was the normal way of killing opponents not interesting enough? Did we really need another "life total"?

>>49215300

Hey Reanimator guy, if I'm putting together a Reanimation deck, what sort of things should I keep in mind while building it? Any advice?

>>49215900
Honestly, I'm probably not the best source of information for deck building advice.

The first questions I'd have are: What colors are you making it? And what do you have so far?

>>49215833
So if I'm drawing complete and total ass, I like to crack my fetch to shuffle up my deck and give it a "reset" of sort. A superstition, if you want to call it that. Heart of the cards.

>>49215841
Fetches are pretty much just enablers for Searing Blaze, which is more of a sideboard card these days apparently. Still, it's important to have that out against decks with lots of small creatures.

>>49215743

Well, you run mostly relevant and cheap cards in burn, so almost nothing is a dead draw.

Grim Lavamancer is toast in this deck. Thermo does more long-term damage than him, provides defense and eats removal with little sweat off my brow.

I was really looking for a compelling arguments for fetches other that what you'd seen on MTG Salvation or Reddit. I'm pretty well convinced they're pointless in Mono R Burn.

>>49215965
You can run two mainboard in place of something maybe a single PoP and Fireblast cut for that but its really a meta call and i leave mine in the SB. Ive also seen some lists cut the Sulfuric Vortex for two Blaze but Im not sure if thats right. Id leave 3 in the SB its a great card

fair legacy is the ultimate comfy man

>>49215953

Oh, I guess I don't have anything too set in stone, I was just looking at "mtgsalvation's" primer after looking at your post and realized I owned a significant amount of the usual reanimation targets, Jin Gitaxias, Angel of Despair, Sundering TItan, Blazing Archon. Everything other than the dual lands is pretty cheap, so I figured I'd mess around and build a list on XMage and see what clicked.

>>49216117

Yeah, really. If WotC would promote a legacy type environment (high-powered reprints and creative new mechanics) this game would be much more enjoyable.

>>49216130
The mtgsalvation primer is a good start. Since you're just beginning to consider deck building options it will probably be best for me to direct you to the resources I used to build my deck.

http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=32&meta=39&f=LE
The mtgtop8 list for reanimator was my main reference for deck construction. It helps you see different strategies for defending yourself and enabling reanimation. I ran a tabletop reanimator deck for a long time but I used decks in this list to tune it for playability.

If you're not poor like me and want to go B/U then you can use this as a reference: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?25733-Deck-Reanimator

One thing you may want to think about as you choose your color is do you want to have a proactive or a reactive defense?

Black allows proactive defense with thoughtseize and cabal therapy, and blue is reactive with force-of-will, etc. So B/R would be mostly proactive and typically runs dark ritual to get a quick start, as you want to (or should I say have to) get going before your opponent have a chance to do anything. This also makes B/R a glass cannon, it either goes off and delivers a big hit or it fails and your opponent smashed it. This makes knowing when to mull extremely important.

B/U can go a bit slower if you want because it reacts to what your opponent does and can hinder their progress as they play, this would allow you to remove dark ritual and have a bit more room for cantrips. B/U would probably be more reliable as it can draw the game out a bit and give you a bit more time to set up.

I just realized something
If conspiracy 2 was in development about 2 years ago, and wizards was that generous with reprints, it can only mean that more cards are going to get reprinted in stuff like that
feels good man

>>49216439
I wouldn't have my hopes up for modern masters 3 unless they actually try to do good this time, if it's anything like MM2015 I won't get any

>>49216406

Thanks man, I appreciate the info!

>>49202370
No DGA/Pikula? I can't be the only one brewing it

>>49216479
wasnt think MM at all, more like supplemental sets like conspiracy/EMN2

>>49216496
Have fun playing legacy.

Also, be sure to browse around mtgthesource for any B/R reanimator lists and a deck called Tin Fins.

What card has the most confusing Oracle text?

>>49216548
Probably Chains

>>49216529
Ah that makes more sense. Hopefully we do see some stuff in MM3 but I hope it includes innistrad, and new Phyrexian and has A GODDAMN BIGGER PRINT RUN JESUS CHRIST WIZARDS

>>49216548
Anything with banding or 'bands with other'.

>>49216568
honestly banding isnt that bad of a mechanic
it was a cool way to let groups of small guys take down a big one
too bad nobody knows how to use it, i'd love to see someone use the benalish cards in like dnt just for lols

>>49216568
>bands with other

Way too narrow and unused to bother listing as "most hated mechanic" or anything, but definitely the mechanic that should absolutely not exist.

So this was just spoiled, how do we exploit it? Aluren?

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>>49216700
Ffs I forgot the pic

>>49216722
Cheerios

>>49216632
It was an interesting idea, having the little guys gang up on a the big guy is appealing, but overall the mechanic was poorly executed. Damage distribution over the attackers is simple to understand but the issue came down to other interactions that were possible in banding, interactions which lead to nebulous board states. One is detailed here: http://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/6895/why-was-the-banding-ability-removed-from-mtg-what-was-so-complicated-about-it

>>49216793
I've never heard a good explanation of why "bands with other" needed to exist, though.

On the note of phasing. I like it. However the ability currently called phasing isn't what phasing did when it was printed. So dislike of the ability is understandable.

>>49216722
Eureka Ramp? That could be kind of interesting at least.

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Started foiling put my loam Pox deck. Not willing to buy Verdants unless they're foil so excuse the Bloodstains :3

>>49215300
rakdos >>49212993

>>49216888

I remember one fun combo with Old Phasing was sticking a Vanishing on a Wormfang Mana and getting infinite turns, because phasing triggered "leaves play" abilities but didn't trigger "enters play" abilities.

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>>49217011
Why?

>>49216908
I think we could make this work

>>49217003
Your deck will be so shiny. I envy that.

>>49216908
>>49217103
I'm honestly thinking of a deck that has 4x Eureka
4x paradoxical outcome
A bunch of weenies that draw cards, perhaps a lot of hate bears if we play bant colors

>>49217126
Yours can too :3,if you belieb

>>49201316
>playan
MUD

>extra decks
Colored Stompy decks, Colorless Stax

I'm so hyped to play new Chandra in red Stompy

>Silver bullets
Apart from Duplicant against Reanimator and Show and Tell decks, not really

>G1 T1 Chalice on 1
I'm the faggot who does T1 lock pieces, so thanks for making an easy choice of 4-8 cards to easily board out if I come across it

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>>49217147

>>49217079
just embrace your inner slutty anime girl

>>49217200
this made me laugh way more than it should have

>>49217262
Can do.

>>49216751
Make Cheeri0s great again
>>49216908
Maybe this good be the beginning of some sort of paradoxical eureka stompy?or a deck that is similar Cheeri0s with using glimpse of nature to draw cards and draw into a eureka and emrakul or other fatties but also having paradoxical outcome for storm or something? I'm not the greatest at designing decks but I think this card could actually be something. Even a tier 4 deck would make me happy

>>49212993
>nobody's claimed Dimir yet
Y'all have no taste.

>>49217481
Spotted the muslim

>>49217461
So, you want permanent based ramp so that you can Eureka it in, so you could go for something like BUG Eureka Elves with Regal Force. This opens you up to sweepers.

You could also go with a mana rock build, so you cast your Felwar Stones and Monoliths and Power Stones, then cast a big Outcome, bounce it all, Eureka it back in and see if you can keep going. I think this is the ticket, going a Rampant Growth route is the most resilient, but Eureka and Rampant Growth is not a combo.

is there a 'stock' 12post list?

I play punishing jund. What do I win if I'm not on the list

>>49201325
>played in a legacy meta with two Doomsday Tendrils players out of 8 people
Felt good since I was playing MUD. Never once lost to a storm variant.

>>49205830
>not having access to blood moon in the board
pleb detected

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>>49217887
Speaking of Jund, anyone ever play with pic related? Seems to play nice with DRS and you can hit it off of BBE.

>>49217972
>tfw when you prove the guy who called you out is an idiot becuase of you namefagging

I do believe my name says "Esper miracles guy",Not "miracles guy" as in I play U/W/B. There is no red in those colors is there? I could easily say "tfw lol pleb doesn't even use thoughtseize lmao"

>>49218006
Having a few blood moons in the sideboard makes you able to beat grindy shardless or stoneblade style decks since you see so many cards on average and are very likely to see a blood moon. It also is also a free win against a fuckton of random fringe decks.
Thoughtseize is a weak card that isn't worth splashing and makes you more vulnerable to wasteland(because it's good on t1 and that requires underground sea if you want to stick a turn 2 counterbalance)
You could literally play spell pierce and be significantly better off since you're actually gaining some tempo in the exchange

>>49218105
Blood moon is a great card but I honestly don't see the value in having them all that much. Against grindy matchups like stoneblade and shardless, I need it on turn 3 or 4 otherwise it starts losing its value drastically. The grindy mathcups don't need blood moon so I can get set up earlier, they need something that will help me stop them or prevent their wincon from getting or for clearing the pathway for my wincon. Sure they help me beat fringe decks but they are just that, fringe. It also helps me play magic in my usually unwinnable matches but that's hoping I get the card and they don't kill me by turn 3 when I can play it. This is a good time to say that thoughtseize isn't the only back card in my board. I definetley think you are undermining thoughtseize though. It makes my combo matchups WAY better. It is actually also good in grinds matchups as well, being able to sneak a peak at hand and grabbing a useful card or having them pitch a force to it to keep their Wincon is actually amazing. It also synergies with surgical extraction like an absolute boss.

>>49218350
You don't need your combo matchup improved, if you're not retarded you can use counterbalance as a chalice of the void. You sound like you haven't actually played with blood moon. Also, surgical is kind of bad considering that it takes up sideboard space and is at its core 2 for 1ing yourself in exchange for what's usually just a marginal increase in card quality.

>>49218587
You're definitely going to have to explain the surgical extraction part for me, because it's an all star. I don't like blood moon, I honestly feel likes it's super overrated, especially in miracles decks. I like playing with thoughtseize quite a bit because it helps my combo and yes I do need my combo Matchup improved because they also have sideboard cards to rid me of my best weapon against them, which is my countertop. I board in thoughtseize and surgical extraction in a lot of matches, matches that I wouldn't board in blood moon.
>you sound like you haven't actually played with blood moon
I play Mono-red skred in modern, I know the full power of the card and I don't feel like I need it in my miracles deck at all.

>>49215743
If we are talking about mono red burn, there is zero reason to run fetch besides playing Lavamancer.

People could stop using deck thinning as an argument. Deck thinning isn't that great when you pay 1 life for it, since the benefit for draws is about <2% from 3 fetches. You count from there if it's a good trade. (protip, it isn't)

Where did the Foil Russian Stomping Ground meme originate?
And where the fuck do I buy one, they're sold out everywhere.

>>49218886
2% starting at turn 26

>>49218715
I have to agree with him with blood moon sometimes winning some games alone, but on the other hand we are talking about a guy that said:
>Thoughtseize is a weak card that isn't worth splashing

How common is Chalice? What decks use it MB and what decks use it SB?

>>49218896
I actually went back and read a bit about deck thinning. Apparently after 5 turns it's basically one and same if you did or didn't fetch, but you lost on average 3 life on 20 land deck.

So yeah, if you are on mono color, deck thinning is no reason to run fetches.

>>49218906
Yeah blood moon is a great card but I feel confident enough to win games that are usually "free" with blood moon. The only time I can myself using blood moon over my regular cards is if I was planning to go to say a large tournament that would have a lot of rounds, but we don't really have a lot of those anywhere let alone where I live.

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>>49201316
>>Playing?
D&T

>>Extra deck?
sold everything else

>>Silver bullets for the local meta?
Worship for eldrazi.

>>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?
a minor irritation OTD, OTP I already have a Vial or a Mom down, so I'm gucci. worst case if i have to eat a chalice with flickerwisp to land something, i will.

>>49218887
Tolarian Community College video about Belcher.

>>49219035
>went and watched it
>thought the new Belcher art was pretty shit
>When the Professor enlarged it I noticed the Black Lotus floating around
new art is actually pretty chill, still think I like the old better though.

>>49218887
Jeff Boohooland thought it was witty even though the 2 life matters on occasion, especially vs Lands (grove giving you one extra turn vs Marit Lage).

>>49217944
I've met only one other real life doomsday player EVER. Also my record vs MUD is like 40%. Not an easy match up mainly because of lodestone golem, but I'm shocked you never lost a match.

>>49217394
>>49213749
Keep your hands off my waifu

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>>49215873
>everyone hates infect
but we dindu nuffin. we good boyz.

>>49219994
Don't worry infect guy I don't hate it. Infect was the first "real" modern deck I ever built. And my win rate vs infect as DDFT is pretty high. So no hate here.

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>>49219330
>Jeff Boohooland

>>49220073
My beautiful deck is now Modern's flavor of the month. I am Saad Maan.

>>49220308
Do you play Vintage Dredge?

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>>49220308
I'm Glaad Maan, since I had 95% of the pieces lying around anyways (from playing Vintage), so I can finally play modern. It doesn't even matter if the meta hates dredge out, since that's pretty much what modern is right now: one linear deck replacing another, ad infinitum.

I'm just glad I can play the multiformat boogieman.

>>49201316
>Playing?
Cheerios

>Extra Deck?
No, I'm poor.

>Silver Bullets?
I'm going to leave this one blank because
>cheerios lol

>G1 T1 Chalice on 1
Not nearly as hard as if it's on 0, I can pull a lotus petal ancient grudge out of my ass.

>>49220599
Nigga play ingot chewer. It can at least trigger glimpse in a pinch.

>>49220668
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks, now I don't need a sideboard.

>>49220736
Multani's presence can also be a funny card vs chalice on 0. Don't know quite how good it would be though.

>>49220755
That's actually a different build where you run Presence and Chalice. I don't really care for it.

>>49220770
Well you could sideboard it against chalice deck's is what the guy is saying. And I wasn't really suggesting you main board ingot chewer's because they're bad if you don't have artifacts to destroy.

>>49215743
If you're not running Lavamancer then there's zero reason for using fetches. The life loss is very relevant.
And you can use Searing Blood instead of Searing Blaze. The extra 1 damage from Blaze isn't really needed, and Blaze is an awful top deck if you don't have any fetches to crack. Though Blaze has the advantage of not needing to kill the creature to damage the player, but that rarely matters.

>>49220831
but if you mainboard them you can have your whole sideboard to register things like the crew of the weather light or 15 islands or a bunch of 'atogs.

>>49220831
Honestly, it's worth it to me to not have a sideboard. The list was running two more bushwhackers than I wanted anyway.

>>49220866
>sideboarding 15 islands
>not 15 snow-covered islands
Pleb

>>49220932
>opening yourself up to getting btfo by thermokarst just so you can be a special snowflake
scrub

>>49201316

>playing
Waterfalls

>extra decks
R/B goblins
one trick pony

>building
a delver variant

>silver bullets for your meta?

I don't have a meta.

>G1 T1 Chalice on 1: How hard does your deck fold?

Waterfalls: 'I'm sure everything will be fine, ha ha... ha...'

R/B goblins: 'dammit, better get my frogtosser bannerets and goblin warchiefs out as fast as possible.'

one trick pony: 'FUCK. *throw deck*'

grixis delver: idk. it's not finished

Looks like Tolarian Community College put up another Legacy video, this time on Death and Taxes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_C8C3i8Auo

>>49213733
>Fav mechanic?
Storm (affinity is a ~close~ second)
>Least fav?
Protection

I'll try to post my list within a couple of hours if there's any interest ~~

>>49221624
I'm interested because I dont know what your list is supposed to be.

NEW COOL JANK AS FUCK KALADESH ARTIFACT JUST GOT SPOILED SOMEONE POST IT NOW

>>49220475
I don't because I am ultra poor. Bazaar is just way too much money for someone on a college budget with empty pockets.

>>49222145
I want 20 and I will build EDH decks with as many infinite lifegain strats as possible.

>>49222145
>>49222187
>Palinchron, any mana doubler, this.
I know this isn't the EDH thread, but come on.

>>49222187
>most if not all vintage events allow 10-15 proxies
You already own the rest of the deck.

>>49222145
SWEET NEW STORM WINCON TENDRILS OUTMODED WHO SAYS WIZARDS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LEGACY EMERGENCY BAN CARD TOO STRONK

>>49222145
It's beautiful. I like that you can just explode a creature, as if you'd ever want to point it at anything besides a player.

So I was just looking at Vintage Dredge lists, and stumbled upon this monstrosity of a "Manaless" version for Vintage
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=13403&d=278624&f=VI

>>49222639
How terrible would that be to try out in your Lich list? I feel like the extra 4 mana is probably too much.

>>49222651
>the extra 4 mana is probably too much.
That's what the rits are for :^)

>>49222651
I thought about this, but I think it isn't any better than aNY of the other draw engines and could quickly spiral out of control. Since it''s a mandatory trigger you could easily deck oit and you can't actually gain lifew with lich out, so it''s not a serviceable wincon.

>>49222232
>Palinchron+a mana doubler
Wow, who would have guessed that would be strong?

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>Playing Haakon Pox vs. Miracles
>2nd game, side out creature hate, side in more discard and Haunted Echoes
>Game trudges along, manage to ult Lili to get rid of his Counterbalance (essentially making him choose between it and all his lands)
>Then immediately play Haunted Echoes and exile all of his fetches, duals, entreat the angels, swords, and counterbalances

I'm not going to lie, I nutted a little. That was hilarious.

>>49223116
I can only imagine the sheer shock on the guys face. Keep it up

>>49222145
as much as I love to complain about every new set, sometimes WotC decides to print something goofy like "deal 50 damage to target creature or player" and it puts a big smile on my face. I love it.

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>>49202078
>Colorless is not a color

>>49223804
At least there's a counterspell for it now.

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Is Louis-Scott Vargas the ultimate Legacy player in magic? He has the most consecutive tournament wins right?

He's even lost some weight now, and none of the other pros can even play in Legacy to begin with so, it makes sense that he'd be the go-to allstar player. Even conley woods doesn't win this often at Legacy

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>>49224096

>>49224203
Jesus I I wanna hurt you. If I had a picture off BBD on hand... or Philip schnoegger

>>49224266
>BBD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lN88M9bL9M8
19:24 is one of my favorite legacy moments

Who's favored in the RUG Delver / Esper Stoneblade matchup?

>>49224384
Damn it... foiled by infect guy and the boss. I bet you have a damn leather jacket that you were to when you play against miracles

>>49224460
I'm more of a cardigan man, but maybe that's why I don't win as much as the boss

>>49224096
LSV is a washed up loser who can't even win a cube draft on MTGO

>>49224096
It's gotta be between him or Tom Ross. Admittedly I don't know many actual Legacy players besides them, Patrick Sullivan, Shahar Shenhar, BBD, Joseph Moreno, and Chris Vanmeter.

>>49201637
Hilarious. Isn't this just a cheesier and less consistent Spanish Inquisition?

>>49225061
Tom is a great player, no one can deny that but I'd argue that BBD is a better legacy player than him. There is also a lot of Europeans that love legacy and they tend to be really good with their respective decks as well. Philip schnoegger (I think?) Is one of the guys who brought miracles with ponder over to this side of the Atlantic and convinced people to try it out. He has a miracles primer on scg for anyone who wants to take a gander, I'll see if I can find it

Dusted off the cards for a local Legacy event last month, pretty rusty.

>Playing
Non-LED Dredge (yes I own LEDs, I don't like them)
>Extra deck
Reanimator, Merfolk
>Silver bullets for the local meta
Leyline of Sanctity for the two dudes from out of town that blew out the 8 man with Burn and Belcher (myself as well).
>G1 T1 Chalice on 1
Play out hopefully with a slow Dredge, but it's a really close one.

Shoutout to all my Dredgefags.

>>49225205
http://www.starcitygames.com/tags/Select~PhilippSchonegger/2012-06-07/2016-09-07
It's a 3 part primer so I'm just going to link all his articles on SCG, they're all good and his primers have made me such a better player, to all miracles players please read this, but don't take it as the end all be all

>>49213733

>favorite mechanic
cascade, quickly followed by storm. Other mechanics I like are shadow, prowess, protection and that exile;cast thing red has going on. I also like infect.

>least favorite
I dunno, annihilator? I haven't come across a lot I don't like. I think dredge is cool but its a pain to play against anything that uses it.

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>>49225399
Supreme taste friendo, supreme taste

>>49225426
>>49225399
>I also like infect

ESPER MIRACLES GUY ENDORSES INFECT! LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

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>>49224096
>ultimate
That's pretty hard to say, the top tier of players is pretty big and the best of them routinely lose to each other, or at least that's how it was a couple years ago when SCG Legacy was big.

Speaking of high tier players, what ever happened to this hungry skeleton?

>>49222145
>mfw I Stifle them

>>49224096
He's a fucking SJW faggot who thinks people who murder informants over ecstasy deals is a worthy opponent but some kid falsely accused of drunk groping back in college should never be allowed to face an opponent again.

WAHHH I WON'T PLAY ANYONE UNLESS I SEE THEIR FULL CRIMINAL RECORD EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE DOXXED BEFORE THEY CAN ENTER MUH COMMUNITY

Fuck this fat disgusting spic faggot.

>>49225527
Fuck I didn't see that, I saw cascade an immediately assumed he had great taste. I was WRONG FUCK. I HATE INFECT THIS ISN'T A LOVE HATE RELATIONSHIP IT'S A PURE HATE HATE RELATIONSHIP TRIGGERED

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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bring back Vampiric pls.

>>49225647
Well I don't know anything about Drugs and it sounds like the other guy was on the side of the law but a sexual harasser sounds very scary, i wouldn't want anyone with a record of rape sitting across from me at my Magic table, i'm glad he's doing his part to keep the community free of perverts and sex offenders.

>>49222145
This might work in like a matyr proc shell, with the ability to tutor for it
it might actually kinda work

>>49222145
I think ideally you'd cast it as your fourth spell, requiring you to cast 5 more spells to go off (without losing any life prior), since if you cast it as your fifth spell you still need 5 more.

>>49225752
Yeah sitting across the table from a murderer like Pat Chapin is much better.

>>49225821
>fourth spell
gain 5+6+7+8+9=35
>fifth spell
gain 6+7+8+9=30 (not enough)

>>49225116
More accurately, it's just plain worse than any other storm variant. It is more fun than most though. It isn't really a cheesier and less consistent SI, because it's not all in the way SI is. It sure is bad though. I'm currently 2-1 with it in an MTGO league.

>>49225901
Is it worse than Cheerios?

>>49225647
>>49225752
I mean obviously DCI isn't going to background check everyone who plays but there's something to be said about a company not wanting to celebrate a sex offender (not saying anyone is one).

This seems like the kind of thing that doesn't warrant a rule of it's own since honestly how often could it come up.

>people thinking that rapists are worse to play with than cheaters
Bertoncini should have been lynched.

>>49225915
i dont think you understand how bad cheerios is

>>49225958
>>49225915
it's certainly not worse than cheerios.

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>>49225915
Cheerios is seriously awful my man.
>>49225901
I think this as the win con would be even cuter.

>>49225958
>>49225990
>>49226005
Hey, I've been doing really well with Cheerios on XMage. It just takes really good luck.

>>49226017
You do you, my friend.

>>49226066
I'm serious, nothing feels as good as getting triple Glimpse to resolve and suddenly your entire deck is free Ancestral Recalls.

>>49225696
>>49225527

C'mon espie, y'know you want some.

s-since this isn't a relationship and all, d-does this mean I won't be able t-t-to infect you later esper-sama?

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Made this budget reanimator deck, figured it'd be a good way to get people into the format for cheap since you can build it for cheap and keep improving it with better lands and other colors as you keep playing, plus the deck itself is pretty successful
you can obviously make it more budget by using cheaper targets but i figured these were pretty good
it's pretty consistent too, played a few games with it

>>49226243
NO INFECT IS BAD

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>>49226313
>budget
>4 entombs

>>49226221
>nothing feels as good as
Nothing feels as good as hitting a G1 blind Cabal Therapy based on your opponent's T1 land drop. You feel like a fucking telepath.
>>49226385
deleted that post since that sentence was such a mess