EDH/Commander General

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>>49211850
Post 'em.

>>49211850
Should be
>People who get mad at a Wildfire Edition

first for colors other than blue and red need more consistent ways to directly interact with the spells on the stack themselves rather than just interact with the things on the board that those spells will affect

>>49211910
>first
>two posts before him
>he could only submit a post at sorcery speed.

>>49211953
post got unsummoned

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So I want to do Krenko on a 50 dollarydoo budget. Does anyone have a good budget Krenko deck or should I just buy the cripple goblin precon?

Xth for commander damage is a necessary and healthy mechanic.

>>49212022
I agree.

I hated it at first but now I love it. I run Trostani life gain cancer too and I'm still ok with it. If you can't afford to block the commander by itself at least you deserve to lose.

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>>49211850
http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planes/kaladesh

More Kaladesh legendaries are announced. Will Izzet finally get the UR artifact commander it wants or the UR artifact commander it deserves? What color commanders you guys rootin for? Who are you interested in seeing?

I'm looking forward to seeing what Kambal and Padeem are going to be like. Kambal sounds BW as fuck but could be UB and I'm not sure about Padeem but I just like her.

>>49212038
>If you can't block the commander you deserve to lose

Except any magic player worth their salt would make a point to make their commander harder to block.

Hot Soup, Rogue's Passage, Whispersilk Cloak, Prowler's Helm, etc. Then there's also flying and landwalk.

>>49212158
Of course, that's why you have different types of boardwipes ready to go so you won't have to rely on just blocking.

How many damage doublers should Hidetsugu be running?

>>49212085
I don't care about any of these
I wish there'd been another major Aetherborn besides Gonti.

>>49212085
>Who are you interested in seeing?
Anything but more fucking gatewatch.

>>49208089
What would you recommend in U/R then? I can't think of anything at instant speed other than Burn Away.

>>49212085

Tezzeret

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>>49212185
>Claims you deserve to lose if you can't block commander damage
>Commander damage is inherently hard to block if the guy building it isn't a shoe
>W-well of course I have b-boardwipes...who n-needs to block anyway?

Wew lad, that is some exemplary backpedaling.

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>>49212282
What? I wasn't trying to backpedal anything. I'm just saying there are numerous answers to preventing a commander from doing damage to you. Are you defending or opposed to commander damage?

Did you want to argue about something?

>>49212317
>grasping for straws this hard
hahahaha lol xd

>>49212085
Oviya Pashiri

Her story makes me think they would go well with feldon

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>>49212331

>>49212204
Yes.

>>49211850
I completely forgot this card existed. I might put it in Kolaghan dragon tribal along with the red enchantment that has you pay one to make a token of whatever creature you cast.

>>49212282
not that anon but
>only thinking of the most basic means to "block" commander damage

>>49212317
Your whole point was, if you can't block commander damage then you deserve to lose. But anyone who isn't brain dead will make their commander hard to block. Then you just start blathering about how blocking shouldn't be important.

So what exactly are you on about? I hope I'm being baited because I'd rather not believe someone on tg is this retarded.

>>49212352
HOW MANY

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>>49212395
huehue

>>49212398
YES

>>49212382
Well then it would have made a lot more sense to say "prevent." When you say block, your first thought is blocking with a creature am I right?

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>>49212395
I think you're reading my response too literally. I suppose the better word to use would have been to "stop," the commander from doing damage to you.

So what are you on about? I hope I'm being baited because I'd rather on believe someone on /tg/ reads text and only thinks as far as the words that are written.

>>49212420
Anon this is not helpful

>>49212398
There are only three good ones that work with him. Gratuitous Violence, Furnace, and Dictate.

If you like one-shotting people, give Repercussion a shot while you have a doubler out. Blasphemous Act gets doubled to 26 per creature, then Repercussion deals 52 to each player per creature.

>>49212509
Every single doubler that you can shoehorn in the deck.

So YES.

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>>49211882
Waiting in Shirei cards to come in. Then next stop is probably Korlash or Gonti.

>Wheel of Fortune is anywhere from $30-50 between Unlimited and Revised
The fuck happened, I got mine for $10 apiece last year

With a Red/Blue Artificer Legendary seemingly a dream for at least another block, I'm contemplating whether I should start working on a Blue deck to complement my Daretti one. But do I do something degenerate like Arcum or Memnarch, or go for degenerate Esper-land?

>>49212710
I'm going to wait for this block to end before I choose between Sharuum or Memnarch myself. Unless there's going to be some cool RU legend next half. In the same boat pretty much.

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>>49211882
You know what's not fun anymore? Elves.

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>>49211882

>>49212547
Besides what you listed, I've run overblaze to meager success, but not entirely in vain, as well as quest for pure flame to a resounding success.

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>>49211882
Godo and Zirilan are getting the axe soon. Zirilan is becoming Feldon but I have no idea what to replace Godo with

>>49212937
Athreos is fun stuff. fine-tuning mine right now.

>>49212961
Zirilan is not pictured in this image for some reason.

>>49212937

Your Teferi list online?

>>49212753

Esper-wise I'm leaning towards Sydri with Sharuum in the 99, myself.

>>49213009
yes
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teferis-intuition/

>>49211981
the cripple deck doesnt really have any actual goblin synergy, its all about artifacts. I dont have any list typed up right now, but just get all the cheap mana goblins so you can swarm field easier. Purphoros is a good investment, as well as all the lords you can squeeze in. lots of ways to make haste and skullclamp. the rest is really up to you, and since is goblins a lot of the cards are plenty cheap

>>49213050

Interesting stuff, thanks.

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>mfw finally making my Teysa Voltron deck

>>49212085
Jesus, almost all those are women. The only male there is the bad guy and Gonti who they already made a fuss about being genderless.

Sorry, but none of them sound interesting, lorewise. That UG elf is retarded, though.

>>49211981
Play mtgo

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Anyone have a cancerous budget aggro edric decklist?. (Something like 50 to 100 us dollars) My buddies keep complaining my durdle 10 piece combo decks lack the "Real" way to play edh

>>49213224
BW enchants or Equips?

>>49213391
I'd say 70% equips and 30% auras

Any speculation about the red Gearhulk? There's no way they'll print it with a Threaten effect since that's what they did with Molten Primordial, but I'm at a loss as to what other big, splashy mechanic red can do without it being chaos.

I just want a big fat robot to play around with in Daretti.

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>>49211882
Next deck I want to make is Geth.

>>49213457
My guess for black is either tutor or a reanimator that can't get artifact creatures and red deals damage to everything xD

>>49213487
Arjun just seems like his turns would take forever

>>49211882
>Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest
Sacrifice and combo, lots of card draw but somewhat lacking in creature recursion

>Ezuri, Claw of Progress
Typical setup of dorks and ramp into fatties that make more dorks, also infect

>Nekusar the Mindrazer
First deck, not so much emphasis on nekusar's abilities more zombie tribal/combo

>Isperia the Inscrutable
Sphinx tribal and card draw, for casual games

>Mimeoplasm
Reanimator with lots of self and board mill, probably the strongest of all my decks

>>49213457
>>49213521
I can pray for a chaos warp effect through
It sounds like fun rather than typical burn effects they always give red ;_;

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Should this fucking card exist in an EDH-only universe?

Is there a deck that doesn't fucking want this?

>>49213704
tbqh at 4 i probably wouldn't play it in tuned decks unless its specifically an etb related deck or something or otherwise takes explicitly advantage of it.

>>49213704
At first everyone will put it in.
But competitive/fags will remove it.

>>49213704
Its a good thing ol' torpor orb exists.

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>playing EDH with a deck whose average CMC is below 3.5

disgusting

go to legacy/vintage/standard/modern where you belong and stop shitting up our casual format

>>49213907
So good that nobody runs it.

>>49213974

Nobody runs it because it's too good, people can't live without the things it shuts down

>>49213974
Might ramp up depending on whether Panharmonicon becomes popular and ETB gets really obnoxious.

>>49213933

But anon isn't it more fun to have lots of cool early plays rather than playing land go until your hand of fatties comes online?

>>49213974
On the off chance of you shitposting I will still reply, lots of decks can/will abuse etb via flicker/bounce. Torpor orb and hushwing gryff work despite what you think.

>>49213933
But my Karador Rebels deck is casual?

>>49213933
singleton with a build around commander you always have provides an interesting and unique deck building challenge for spike-minded people

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Looking for advice on this relatively budget Glissa infect deck.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-glissa-infect/

Particularly what, if anything, on the Maybeboard is worth adding and what to remove to make room for it.

>>49214005

I'm going to replace my Conjurer's closet with panharmonicon in my Sedris etbs deck

Conjurer's closet is cool because it lets me unearth and then save that creature from permanent exile while getting another etb

The problem is that it's 5 mana and only works on 1 creature per turn so it's actually kind of really slow

Panharmonicon will let me get more value upfront, I can evoke Shriekmaw and unearth it for 5 mana kill 4 creatures, seems strong

Also it makes palinchron insane, won't even have to find a flicker piece because unearthing palinchron with panharmonicon should give me enough mana to draw a million cards, find a clone and keep going

>>49214048
No I agree, it's fucking excellent.

I play a Newzuri deck that pretty consistently kicks ass and absolutely will be putting Panharmonicon in. People in my group just refuse to run torpor orb. I'm not the only person who plays with ETB shenanigans, either.

>>49214128
Panharmonicon will probably be great in UG Ezuri. It kind of reminds me how good that proliferate engine is in Daretti

>>49214128

Torpor orb also has beautiful art and great flavor text

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I wish that politics were more incentivized in EDH. Outside the new monarch thing, there's really not a lot of colluding and fragile alliances. There was a game I played a while back where politics were built into the mechanics and it ruled, so much table talk and deal brokering

>>49214115
>Sol Ring
Goes in every deck. Sad but true.
>Whispersilk
Unblockable+infect. You're not playing with blue, so take any evasion you can.
>Phyrexian Arena
I have one in every Black deck. YMMV, but I've never been unhappy to see it.
>Fireshrieker
Seems good to me
>Contagion Engine
is not on your Maybeboard, but it should be in your main deck.

You've got a lot of spot removal and spot buff cards which I don't really like in EDH. GB is really good at recursion, I suggest adding a Grave Pact and Butcher of Malakir with some good sac engines to just shut the board down and then recurring the sacced creatures. For buffs, I've seen Gaea's Anthem go a long way in Infect, and Hand of the Praetors is a must have.

>>49214251
I literally had to coerce a guy into not fireballing me for 72 by pointing out that out of the four of us, I had the least amount of land
I won the game because after a land wipe, I got the most land out fastest

>>49214124
>conjurer's closet is cool because it lets me unearth and then save that creature from permanent exile while getting another etb

Hate to break it to you, but unearthing a creature and bouncing it via conjurer closet will still make it going to exile.

>702.83a Unearth is an activated ability that functions while the card with unearth is in a graveyard. “Unearth [cost]” means “[Cost]: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. If it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery

>>49214285
How do I start introducing table politics? My group just plays its shit and doesn't start attacking until they know they have enough blockers to withstand the retaliation

>>49214251
There are two decks that do this well. Zedru can let you play the rest of the table like a fucking fiddle.

I run a Gahiji deck who's secret tech is shit-talking and being a fucking weasel.

>>49214324
Monarch. It was made explicitly to help this problem

Does my Omnath deck have too much land fetch? Does it need more big creatures?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-06-16-BVv-omnath-edh/

>>49214369
>I run a Gahiji deck who's secret tech is shit-talking and being a fucking weasel.
Please post a list, this sounds kinda great

>>49214292
Conjurer's closet flickers, not bounce. It makes a big difference, because the closet exiles it, and since unearth would have also sent it to exile, it isn't redirected. The closet works as intended.

>>49214393
I'd say no. Mine runs more and it pretty well rocks the house. Not finished yet, but it gets the job done and it's really fun to pilot. More mana is never a bad thing.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-07-16-tVI-big-green/

>>49213933
I made this deck purely for 1v1 casual play. It can only be consistently beaten by tier 1 deck and I LOVE IT. COME AT ME.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mgs-kamigawa-crisis/

Mind, this deck is slightly outdated, so it's not the best.

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>>49214419
>card defies the current status of another and is allowed to proceed instead of being prevented
Why I do play this stupid game?

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Does anyone here oversleeve their decks? What do you store your deck in? How does the deck feel to shuffle?

Im thinking about getting pic related for my Karn deck, but they fall apart and have terrible shuffle feel.

>>49214280

Thanks for the advice, yea, those are the ones I've been eyeballing the most definitely. The question is what to replace to make room for them?

Contagion Engine I'm kind of debating if i wanna spend the 5 bucks on or not but should definitely be in that Maybeboard as well. Spinebiter is another that should be in the Maybeboard but my LGS doesn't have one for sale.

The Spot buffs are pretty important with infect I feel, since it's kind of a staple of the playstyle, where the players dread getting a single infect through since they never know when I'm gonna pump it or not, but I can definitely see how they'd be less effective in EDH since every card matters, same with the spot removal. My playgroup also seems to really like making their stuff indestructible too, including one guy who likes to use Darksteel Forge with a Platinum Angel.

I was also definitely bouncing around the idea of adding a Butcher of Malakir, though I feel like Grave Pact is kinda redundant with Dictate of Erebos, and Grave Pact is also quite a bit more expensive.

Already got a Hand of the Praetors in there, Gaea's Anthem definitely sounds like a solid choice, though looks like my LGS only has a foil for like 3.50.

So many cards I wanna add, no clue what to remove.

>>49214473
I'm confused. Are you saying I should run more land fetch?

>>49213933
>muh battlecruises

I'm sorry, but I'd much rather do things throughout the whole game rather than having to wait til I have 30 mana so that I can do anything "cool." Every time Timmy McSixdrops gets stomped by every deck not being made of +6 drops, he gets salty that everyone is playing 'wrong' and I fucking hate you for it.

>>49214292

Maybe you should learn the rules before you try to talk shit

>>49214563
Oh, yeah, sorry. The way my deck shakes out, more land is always better, but that's just me. What issues are you having with the deck?

>>49214511
>oversleeve
You mean like sleeving? KMCs. Licensed sleeves are generally garbo

>>49214501

It's real simple, unearth says exile it if it would leave the battlefield, and Conjurer's closet exiles it, so everything has been satisfied, and when Conjurer's closet brings it back, it's not the same creature anymore that was unearthed

>>49214643
Maybe there shouldn't be rules that get overriden by other rules because faggots like you bitch about "muh trigger abilities", seems like I dropped yugioh just to play equally stupid yugioh sans better art

>>49214664
I feel as if I need more big creatures to cast because as it stands right now the deck is more about Omnath getting big and dealing damage than using Omnath's ability to cast big creatures. I'm fine with either way but I just don't know if I should take some of the land fetch creatures out for some big greenie stompy creatures.

>>49214672

Actually sorry I quoted reminder text, the relevant part in the rules says "if it would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else"

That makes it more clear, since with flicker you are not putting it anywhere else but exile

>>49213933
>going slow as fuck
Get out of my face

>>49212279
Asking again, instant speed GY hate in UR? I'm thinking about Stream of Consciousness since it only hits what I need it too.

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>>49214594
>Waiting for 30 mana
>Not having average CMC 5
>Losing

It's like people don't know Omnath exists, I swear.

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I need weird red control cards, the weirder the better

Post em if you got em

Any advice or secret tech for building a Rosheen Meanderer deck?

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>>49214699
If it ain't broke. There's something to be said about creatures that are useful and not just big stompy monsters, even in mono green.

But, you know...

What if you could do...

Both

>>49214773
Raging River, of course

>>49214794
Hydras
Fireballs

Go to town

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>>49214773
for your Alesha

>>49214794
gee anon maybe you should include x spells and things that make x spells better

>>49214665
no, he wants sleeves that go over character sleeves, specifically yes because they are garbo but look nice.
>>49214511
I oversleeve and was generally very happy but I'm not a picky person so I don't know if it's possible that there's an issue I hadn't picked up on. I use http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bushiroad-Sleeve-Collection-Full-Sleeve-Protector-oversleeve-MATTE-MTG-SIZE-/281258211833?hash=item417c4bb9f9:g:xqQAAOxyOMdS7h4J I believe (though I don't remember the pack being green, but it's been a while now). I like them because I love that texture, so I get the texture while preserving the card image very well. The only thing is when you first sleeve them you should put them under something flat and very heavy for a day or two as with regular double sleeving since they'll have a lot of air pockets which can make it harder to shuffle and also make it unwieldy in general. Oversleeved, my deck can fight just fine into those ultra pro double deck boxes split in half with extra room so anything that'd fit a commander deck should fit it just fine.

>>49214794
Doubling Cube is a criminally overlooked spell. Post a list?

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>>49214377
I made a crown. You'd be surprised how much more fun being the monarch is when you're wearing a giant stupid hat.

>>49214393
>>49214563
My deck is Kamahl instead of Omnath, but the concept is similar enough.
Nearly 1/3 of my deck is some kind of ramp/acceleration, and I have never felt like I have too much. It's basically the nature of our greedy af commanders that you just need more mana to fuel them.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-16-huge-tracts-of-land/

captcha wants pictures of trees. IT KNOWS.

>>49214773
Mudslide

>>49214833
It looks like shit I appreciate the sentiment,

>>49214833
That is a beautiful crown, truly befitting of a king.

>>49214814
Ah, I lied, I knew that didn't look right but I couldn't find the kind I did buy on ebay right now. These http://www.cardtastic.com.au/product-kmc-standard-oversleeves-mat-clear-60ct-4007.aspx are what I actually have and use on my Teferi

>>49214851
That's fucking perfect. Holy shit.

>>49214773
Elkin Lair and Uba Mask

>>49214902
I got more.

Price of Glory
Hand to Hand
Power Surge
War's Toll
Tectonic Instability

>>49214698
Na.

It makes perfect sense.

>>49214927
I didn't even know about Elkin Lair.
That will be a fantastic addition to the Marchesa Stax deck I'm brainstorming.

>>49214773
Burning Sands

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>>49214984
>Tectonic Instability
My God, the asshurt over that card is going to be Biblical. This deck is going to draw so much hate and I'm going to relish every second of it

>>49215051
Red is almost as good at awful lose/lose effects as black is.

>>49214280
>>49214539

Alright, did some looking, and came up with this.

Remove:
Decimator Web
Ichor Wellspring
Traveler's Amulet
Titanic Growth
Boar Umbra

Add:
Whispersilk Cloak
Phyrexian Arena
Fireshrieker
Contagion Engine
Butcher of Malakir

Sol Ring is sadly also sold out at my LGS apparently.

I don't really have anything to outright sac my creatures, but Creakwood Liege and Phyrexian Swarmlord should be able to spit out a number of tokens for suicidal purposes.

any super spicy cards for ZURGOOOOOOOO

>>49215105
Chandra's Ignition during your precombat main phase
After enchanting him with Glistening Oil and equipping him with Grafted Wargear

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>mfw my friend just told me he got rolled on by a Balthor the Motherfucking Stout deck

I want to meet whoever has that deck and shake his hand

Manliest commander

>Playing Melek vs NuKozilek and Zedruu
>T1 Top
>Kozi plays T1 Mana Vault into Key untap vault
>T2 Top and Serum Visions away the cards I didn't want
>Kozi is going off with Basalt Monolith and other rocks, Zedruu O-Rings Key while Vault and Key were tapped
>T3 Top into Ruination
>T4 Ruination
>Zedruu leaves
>Take advantage of the moments reprieve, T5 cast Mystical Tutor for Vandalblast
>Overload Vandalblast killing Kozi's field
>Concede, he says ggwp.

Man, it feels good when your deck curves out well and is able to finds it's answers.

>>49214814
>>49214898
Thanks for the advice. Ill pick them up then.

>>49214833
My card shop hot glued a sleeved monarch card to a burger king paper crown.

What's some hidden spicy tech for Vish Kal, I know the usual suspects, but I want to kinda run him as Vamps and Zombies with some white in there to take advantage of the mana I have to use him.

Suggestions on where to go fora Jenara deck?

>>49215281
Sure does

Only with my fucking group, none of them would concede and I'd have to drag the win out with a Fireball or triple copied Blue Sun's to deck someone

>>49215245
>Manliest commander
Ragnar would like a word with you.

>>49215340
Training Grounds.dec

>>49215356
>implying anything blue is manly
>implying regenerate is manlier than making your bros stronk

>>49213933
You intrigued me to check where my decks average at:
>Zada: 2.84
>Liliana (WIP): 3.11
>Alesha: 3.39
>Oloro: 3.52
>Teferi: 3.69
>Yeva: 4.19
The only real surprise is that Teferi is higher than Oloro, but Time Stretch and 3 8 drops are responsible (3.32 without them). Treasure Cruise skews it pretty unfairly too.

>>49214824
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rosheen-requires-fireballs-and-hydras/

Just a prototype and still in testing but its a list none the less.

>>49215245
Hmm. Never heard of Balthor before. I am interested in his black version more than the red tho. I wonder if its viable to run a deck with him, a ton of good creatures, self mill, and ample graveyard hate for everyone else.

>>49215551
Pyromancer's Goggles.

is 36 lands usually a pretty good amount to run?

>>49215676
A bit low for my taste desu.

>>49215676
I usually aim for 37 or 38, possibly 39 or 40 if I want a high land count

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>Boardwipes

lolk

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zurgos-one-man-army-1/

any tips?

>>49215676
kinda depends on your deck. if you're doing a krenko deck then it's perfectly fine. if you're doing a slower deck then you might want more

>>49215877
Cute flavor (return to hand is often flavored as returning to the aether and you draw cards because rashmi gathered information with her experiment) but who is going to place this, like really.

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>1v1ing my little brother with my aura alpha strike deck
>he's the one in the group always bitching about how my deck is "so overpowered" even though it's fucking aura based
>AND he runs Marchesa stax and monarch protection
>he's doing his usual bullshit routine of bring out Marchesa, get monarch, stack his field with damage preventers and removal
>all I have to keep me going are Hana, Felidar Umbra, and pic related glorious motherfucker, plus some auras in my hand that I don't have the mana to cast
>he's exploiting all kinds of stall bullshit and stacking his field with his best creatures
>keeps hammering me with his shit, only manage to stay alive by getting one or two more Aura buffs on Hana and blocking his biggest dudes, activating totem armor on Felidar Umbra, and then bringing it back from the grave with Mythmaker
>over and over and over again
>eventually he's got five or six creatures out, one of which will allow him to start exiling my shit at will next turn, and another that will give him a 7/7 dragon every upkeep or some shit like that
>finally get enough mana
>Winds of Wrath that mother fucker
>he satily shakes his head as he drops all his precious creatures and damage sponges into the grave
>drop Sunbond and Battle Mastery that I tutored earlier onto Hanna
>swing for commander damage two turns later
>THAT'S SO FUCKING STUPID. WINDS OF RATH IS OP. HOW CAN YOU SAY IT'S NOT OP? IT'S NOT FAIR!
Felt so fucking good to watch that scoop. Thank you Nomad Mythmaker for being the ultimate bro.

>>49216153
yeah whatever mr spike i play this game for fun

>>49216153
>his usual bullshit routine of bring out Marchesa, get monarch
Conspiracy 2 has been out for less than 2 weeks. I don't think you can call it a routine yet.

>>49216273
>a spike playing an aura based deck

>>49216301
It's been his routine since he built the deck right after release. Cast Marchesa, gain monarch, stall and prevent all damage to himself until the double draws pull out his game winners.

>>49215877

Wow and I was just fantasizing earlier about an esper eggs deck

>>49216334
that sounds like a fun deck desu haha get cucked

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>>49213933

>3.22
>mfw

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/liliana-dark-madness/

>>49216350
>preventing anyone from being able to actually accomplish anything at all
Yeah hella fun

>>49216020
Vela?

>>49216334
I mean... That's basically what Marchesa wants to do?
I'm more partial to Marchesa superfriends, even if you're missing the green for Doubling Season, but hey.

>>49215676
36 is fine if you are running a lot of low CMC mana rocks or if your curve is low.

I always try to run 38 with some of the generic and affordable manarocks.

>>49216382
Well, yeah.

>>49213704
plenty of decks don't want it, you need quite a few etbs to make this actually worth playing

>>49216452
>I mean... That's basically what Marchesa wants to do?
That's why I said it was the usual routine.

>>49216452
My Marchesa is super friends. You get to try and hit me or my walkers.

>>49216537

Post it

>>49216574

Not up on tapped yet, but I'll get to work on it.

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On a scale of one to ten, how cancer is picture related?

I want to give her a try, possibly start with a budget build.

>>49216618
She's fine, she wishes she was Rafiq.
That alter is 100% cancer tho.

>>49216618
I don't run her as commander but I have her in the 99 of this >>49216153

She's a great late game surprise especially if you've tutored out your combo auras and then lost them all to creature removal, leading your opponents into a false sense of security.

Not sure how she'd run as a commander, though I'd be a little hesitant because she lacks the element of surprise in that role, takes a while to activate, and becomes a HUGE target when she does. Guessing you'd have to run a pillow fort of some kind to keep yourself safe while you ramp up to her.

>>49216618
Most people are aware that she will one hit kill anyone she attacks, and will plan accordingly.

There are much worse.

>>49216618
there are way more cancerous options out there

she is at least telegraphed unlike most combo decks

>Make Zada deck
>Toss Krenko in there
>Plus a bunch of other Goblin token generators
>And a shit ton of buff spells
>First game get both Krenko and Zada out
>Other players focus fire me down before I can do anything else
>Rest of the matches I'm target number one regardless of what I'm actually doing

What's a good commander/deck combo that can be super degenerate fun without looking threatening at first? I figure I can win atleast one game with it before I'm the punching bag again.

>>49215245
Fuck Feldon. Once Shirei comes in, I am starting to work on Land destruction Balthor. I'll need to actually go get a crucible of world's tho.. ugh.

>>49216985
Kaseto. You'd be amazed how quick you can alpha strike someone, whether you build Voltron or Great Snake Mistake.

Help me /edh/ I'm having a mental block

Isn't there a blue spell that lets you search for three cards from your library, show them to an opponent, they pick one for you to take and the others go to the grave? Or something similar to that?

I'm like 90% sure I'm not just making this up but I can't remember the name. Help pls

>>49217030
Intuition

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>>49217030
There is.

>>49217048
THANK YOU

Is pauper EDH ever a thing people do? (minus the commander itself obviously)

I'm really enamored with the *concept* of Tasigur, but actually building a list for him seems difficult. Finding the balance of card types, etc

>>49217172
I've played some fun Pauper EDH with Grixis Battlemage and a heavy theme on Madness, Unearth, Flashback and the like.

>>49217172
>all commons
>uncommon creature is commander
>otherwise normal commander

It's fun

>>49217226
>uncommon creature is commander
Oh shit, that's actually really cool. I'm gonna have to look into this.

>>49217316

Playing with an actual commander for pauper is straight ass.

>>49216618
That alter is pretty bad. She's not cancerous as a commander though (in my opinion), just very, very scary to sit across from. Be aware you will be targeted.
Also, run traumatize to mill yourself half your deck and then swing with a fuckload of enchantments. It's the oldest bruna trick in the book and it works almost every time (get eldrazi conscription! )

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>>49216985
I've got kami of the crescent moon turbostasis. It flew under the radar as a crappy group hug deck until static orb/winter orb hit the field, and then mind over matter and temple bell/jaces archivist hit the field. The card frozen aether paired with stasis is really gross too. It's just a fun deck that locks people down and wins in one turn making the whole table windfall their library away while saving mine, and if in need a backup win con I always have lab man/leveler.

I'm building tymaret "prairie fire" next, the idea is to keep the average cmc of the deck really low, and continually burn the field down with MLD/board wipes and the like, continually bringing back tymaret from graveyard to hand with his second ability. Running alot of things that recur from yard to field, and expecting a very grindy game.

I think both tymaret and kami look pretty pathetic at first, but by the time you realize what the deck can accomplish, it's too late.

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Let's break the mold of just posting our commanders and calling everything else cancer and have some discussion.
So, /edh/, symmetrical mana doublers. Some decks with high curves or bad ramp options might really want them. But the downsides are of course dependant on your opponents decks. Against what decks are they fine and against what decks are they a liability?
Chances are you don't want them against the following:
activated abilities like Grenzo, Jenara or Ashling
high curve fatty decks like mayael or kozilek
decks with a lot of card draw like arcanis the omnipotent or erebos
meanwhile, decks that wouldn't profit from the effect too much would be:
elves, because they already make massive amounts of mana
voltron decks, probably just would be faster to start swinging but not more threatening
decks with bad card draw and no onboard mana sinks

My buddy plays it in his gisela deck, and it really helps him quite a lot more than it helps the rest of the table because once he gets gisela out, not much else is relevant. And i wanna see it supercharge the burn spells in spellslinger decks like mizzix or wort. What do y'all think?

>>49218340
I think that enchantment is really solid in mizzix, or any X costed spell slinger really. Honestly though, anything that flat out helps the rest of the table is bound to bite you in the ass eventually

Never played EDH from and my friend's hosting a 4 player free-for-all.

I'm planing to play a Zurgo Helmsmasher Voltron deck but no nothing about actually building commander.

Any tips?

>>49218545

http://edhrec.com/commanders/zurgo-helmsmasher

>>49218558
That website is actually helpful. Thanks.

>>49218545
pack graveyard hate, even if it's just one card (you're in black so boujouka bog is a good option.)
Utility lands are great, homeward path being a big outlier.
use the resources in the OP.

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I feel like an idiot for not seeing this earlier, I'm a massive fan of Bearer of the Heavens

>>49218340
I run something like three or four symmetrical mana doublers in my Maelstrom Wanderer Chaos deck because it doesn't matter how much mana my opponents have, they don't get to do what they want with it.

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>>49214833
>>49215313
Did none of you get one of these at the release event? (Excuse the shitty quality, had to shoot it with my Vita.)

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>>49218771
What the fuck? Why did it post sideways?

>>49218771
>>49218799
We got them a week later. They're really small and hard to keep on your head when moving, but we managed to wear them anyway. Good for a few laughs

>>49218545
If you've never played EDH, building a deck from scratch can be a bit difficult if you don't know what the games are gonna be like. If you want to be on the safe side, you can get the red white precon which plays similarly to Zurgo.
Otherwise: 10 ramp spells and 10 card draw spells is a good baseline to have in any deck. 10 board wipes, while a bit much for most decks, works great with Zurgo because indestructible. My favorite there being Chandra's Ignition.

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As if Ghave needed any more help...

>>49219187

>trigger requires mana

>>49219232
>ghave decks don't run earthcraft or ashnod's altar

>>49219187
>give planeswalkers a free loyalty counter
>give players a free experience counter

wew

Who is the comfiest commander, /tg/?

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>>49219255
>Ghave having either of those isn't already infinite

>>49217214
What power level do you want?

>>49219267
It's not. Am I missing something? Those always need a third card with him.

>>49214417
no fuck you you piece of shit
i joke i joke

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>>49219258
There's better cards for that, my friend.

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>>49219287

And that card is not it because it requires mana.

>pay 1 make Crearure
>pay 1 put counter on Ghave
>sac Creature for 2 mana

>pay 1 make creature
>tap to Untap
>pay 1 to put counter on ghave

You net 0 mana in a way that doesn't allow Ghave to continue comboing without another card that would allow him to continue comboing anyway without the module.

>>49219318
>mono blue

disgusting

>>49216618
It's a pretty shit deck. You play her once and if she doesn't one-shot everyone immediately she does nothing for the rest of the game. One piece of graveyard removal and she's done. I don't know why anyone plays her.

That alter is fucking garbage. I know this is a giant cliche, but fucking kill yourself

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>>49219339

>Inoxerable Tide is only playable in mono blue

Wew

>>49218340
I don't like symmetrical mana doublers at all. I used to kill of my own Keeper of Progenitus just to keep anyone else from getting any use out of it. You never know how a ton of mana might screw you. Last time I was at the lgs someone played a mana flare the turn before me, and passed to me and my Purphoros. I cast secure the wastes for 32 and nuked everyone.

>>49219021
Yeah I knew a soon as I decided to use him I was going to make sure he's the only thing allowed to live.

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>>49219432
>implying shit i never said

wew

>>49219473
>anon posts blue alternative
>you say "mono blue. Disgusting"

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I feel like my playgroup is lacking in boardwipes, should I build this meme?

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>>49219505
>mfw I see how much the promo Hanna is going for to match my Sydri

Those bastards did this on purpose

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>>49219505
Why not space baby?

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>>49219505
Why not this meme?

>>49219548
I might as well do that, I have no idea what shell to build around it though.

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>guy builds a mono-black kill deck
>filled entirely with Murder variants and creatures that tap to destroy
>only casts/activates on my creatures despite other players having fuckoff huge threats on the board
>admits he does it just to make me mad
I hate my group sometimes

>>49219649
Your guy sounds autistic or full of salt or both. What did you do to him? Why is he acting like thst?

>>49218340
I run every one I can in Kruphix, but I play super politically. When I drop a card to help everyone, when any given one is dishing shit out, it's a matter of making eye contact, and being like, "I wanna help you, out specifically, Player B. Now I know player C can't be trusted to double mana, but doesn't it mean you should just eliminate him ASAP so you can keep my boon to take out Player D as well?" I have a similar play style in my Cromat deck, but card draw, via prototype portal and howling mine or temple bell.

tl;dr If you're a durdly piece of shit like me, playing your opponents instead if playing your deck, it's top shelf.

>>49219187
Seriously considering building a modern deck around it. It'll make my treasure find / lightning storm deck look elegant by comparison.

>>49219649
How is this even a big deal? You should be running indestructible and hexproof as part of your normal package. I'm the durdling mega-timmy, and people LOVE to feed you the aggro while you have somewhat of a nice board state, because for some fucked reason a couple of beaters are more intimidating than half a board of combo peices. Just make a deck that feeds off that jazz, Ayli and Brago come to mind.

My lgs hosts a tiny leaders event this week so I put together tbis deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/assemble-the-legion-mini/
Can I get some opinions on this? I haven't played tiny leaders before so any kibd of advice is welcome.

>>49219976
I have no idea. I think he just likes to fuck with me.

>>49220014
They weren't even beaters. I was running like 5 creatures in the deck that it first went up against, and he just kept killing my commander whenever I didn't have a counter at the ready. I know now to pack more counters to keep my shit safe.

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TOP TIER MEMES RIGHT HERE BOYS

also have marchesa humans

p good senpai

>>49220253
>I know now to pack more counters to keep my shit safe.
No. You make sure when your important stuff hits the yard, that you can bring it back. Some decks are naturally bad against removal, particularly creature-light decks that rely on fancy bullshit.

>>49220370
>fancy bullshit
Fireballs are not particularly fancy. But that's good advice, I do need more recursion, thanks

>>49220445
>fireballs
Melek? Mizzix? I usually build 30-35 creatures in every deck, and unless you're playing stax/prison lock down, you'll have a bad time with 5 creatures.

>>49220473
Melek. My group is beer league levels of competitive, so I can get away with a super low creature count most of the time.

Plus I get to abuse Proteus Staff.

>>49220473
>not playing Proteus Staff Melek storm

>>49220189
>tiny leaders
The only solved format. Use a netdeck or build around beating them.

>>49220485
Switch to Jeleva, you'll get access to some good black creature hate tech and you can still keep the spellslinger theme, but it's an attack based trigger, so I guess you could use bigger instants and sorceries.

>>49220497
While I'm not going to comment on the playability of storm, I will say that I would LOVE it if someone did that to me early game. My decks are a gold mine of timmy goodness.

>>49220473
>30 creatures
>storm

>>49220510
Why would I Proteus Staff my opponent? Do you not know the deck?

>>49220273
Why would you even play Ulrich at the head of a werewolf commander deck. Flavor?

I need to stop putting off this Alesha build, fuck

>>49211910
How do you do that without gutting the color pie?

>>49213245
Considering this week some Wotc member described how demons are male so people don't feel bad about killing them and now the only legendary male in this set is the villain...

Its been a rough month for Magic being a proponent of gender equality. They have gone too far left and became sexist as fuck these past few months.
IB4 "r-reverse sexism doesn't exist"
go back to tumblr

>>49220540
I have bought the"""expensive"""" pieces for a white mikky weenie deck (elesh norn, two elspeths) a while ago, and I have put him off for 3 DECKS

>>49220542
> without gutting the color pie?
> Implying the color pie hasn't been gutted already
Unless your white or red the color pie doesn't exist

>>49212414
>target
Most voltron decks are based around hexproof commanders or make their commander hexproof. Next.

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>>49220716
>tfw no enemy color hate anymore

>>49220780
I run arcane lighthouse /glaring spotlight to get around that. March of the machines (it's a memnarch deck) also works in a pinch. Pops off lightning greaves, swiftfoot boots, mask of avacyn, etc.

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>>49220510
>He thinks Proteus Staff is meant for opponents' creatures

>>49219273

I suppose "75%". Something that can be powerful without making things unfun.

>>49220521
reusable fighting is p nice

i can switch it out for ruric thar or xenagos if I so choose

considering making it temur so i don't run out of gas as easily

>>49219548

Space baby can't blow up lands.

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ORZHOV LIFEGAIN BOYS WHERE WE AT

Oloro too but fuck that faggot

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>>49221504
Karlov intensifies

>>49221504
I like it. Definitely getting one for Karlov. It also looks neat for storm decks.

It's pretty great watching the Salvation forums absolutely shitting themselves in rage over Kaladesh. Not really on-topic but I wanted to say it.

>>49221609

What generates their salt?

>>49221609
Why, though? The set seems neat. Is it yet another one of those "not every card is an instant Legacy staple so it's the worst set ever" things that happens every set?

>>49221623

My favorite post so far:

"So far the set looks like complete trash. Saheeli can't protect herself at all. She's worse than Tibalt. Vehicles are completely lame. I'd rather attack with my creatures then tap them to ride a car which will drive right into my opponent's removal spell. Instead of a reprint of Zendikar fetches, we get the enemy Scars of Mirrodin lands. Woo freakin hoo. And because like most good players I don't care about flavor, the flavor is not an excuse for trash cards. Also, look at Inventor's Fair. It has metalcraft! But noooooo too "confusing" for newbie players to have a returning mechanic. We've seen less than a quarter of the set and it already is confirmed how dumbed down it is.

The Supreme Verdict: Kaladesh is trash.

And I have a right to my opinion."

>>49221436
How do you blow up lands with Celestial Kirin in mono white?

>>49221504
Life gain is useless, they said

>>49221655
>And I have a right to my opinion
So he already knows that he's acting like a retard.

>>49221504
TFW another win con for my Trostani deck...

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Neat, Ajani.

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>>49221668

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Snausages

>>49222186
That's not a spirit.

>>49222110
nobody expects the green and white fireball!

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>>49222310

For some reason I thought Conspiracy was colorless.

Never mind me.

>>49221504
Cleric tribal here I come.

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What are some good spells to combo with Mirrorwing Dragon in a dragons tribal deck? Trying to figure out if I should order one or not.

>>49221766
>>49221504

Wait so that gives life gain decks another win condition.

This makes me want to life gain like a motherfucker. If I wanted to build a life gain deck who would I turn to for a commander?

Karlov and Ayil feel very similar which is better? I'm guessing Karlov as he can voltron and swing for commander damage if you need to.

Trostani seems nice as well, lots of big creatures and tokens make easy gains and a nice board state

Oloro seems the most duh choice, but he is boring as shit, but blue, black, and white make him really good.

What should I look into for a possible commander for life gain shenanigans?

>>49222556

tail slash.

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>>49222434
You might've been thinking of this.

>>49222782
Read the card again.

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>>49222556

>>49222763
Karlov wants life gain triggers, and this new card gives you extra triggers for each spell you cast. Definitely Karlov.

Ayli can gain you infinite life pretty easily, but it depends on if you want to be that guy tutoring up the same combo pieces every game

>>49222840

Probably something like that, I was sure there was a colorless card that had the same effect as Conspiracy.

>>49222556
i would say pump spells or pump + draw a card are good.

>>49222556

What colors do you have access to?

Just red?

>>49222763
Karlov is EDH Soul Sisters and Ayli is a sacrifice deck that utilizes lifegain. That said, Ayli will have an easier time gaining huge chunks of life through saccing and recurring Kokusho/Gary/Tree of Perdition.
Both are a lot of fun

>>49222987
Red and green. It's Atarka Worldslayer, so I was thinking Balduvian Rage and the like could be good but a little extraneous to put in for just one card to get value from.
I might make the deck into Intet later, too, so mentioning blue is fine as well

>>49222556
You know those "can trip" thingies? Those.

>>49212937
Post Horde deck pls

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>>49223119

Expedite and Slip Through Space are both pretty cute, in that they both basically read "1 mana: Draw cards equal to the number of creatures you control"

Fatal Frenzy/Berzerk for finishing games

Mutagenic Growth for a surprise when you're tapped out

Colossal Might/Predator Strike to trample through.

>>49218645
I don't think this works like you think it works

I wish I could make a commander out of this.
It's not great, but the flavor would be top tier, and I love me some artifact decks

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>>49223387
I know it's hard, but please pretend I'm not retarded

>>49223328
what actually happens is that whoever sets this up basically wins in at most 4 turns because bearer and gift are the only permanents that can stick

you can stack the triggers however you want, so you can make bearer kill itself at the end of every turn which makes gift bring it back which comes back before bearer's wipe

>>49223387
>>49223396
I'm sad I can't justify it in the mimeoplasm either. Vehicles in edh are just not that great.

I also personally find it weird how much people on the Salvation forums beat off to Dominaria as well. I always found the storytelling there complete ass, particularly much of the Weatherlight Saga and nearly everything involving Urza.

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>8 cards short
>Can't figure out what else to put in
This is a first for me

>>49223610

I wish I had that problem...

>>49221504
LOLOLOLOL

what the fuck wizards

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5/4 menace that straight up murders a creature?

going straight in to Meren

>>49223750

This does have me worried the red one will be generic burn damage or something.

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Wizards will never release the perfect commander for me and it pisses me off to no end.

>>49222556

http://edhrec.com/commanders/zada-hedron-grinder

>>49223803
It's going to be Fireball on a stick

>>49223803
Its going to be damage to one target creature
Either that or exile the top card bullshit

>>49221504
I really want to be optimistic about this in my Karlov but at 4 mana and for needing to cast spells I don't know man. I like the idea of it. I'm always on the lookout for easily multiple times per turn repeatable life gain but this doesn't seem like it for me. If there were tons of can trips in WB maybe id be more up for it.

>>49223937
4/4 Haste for X2RR would actually be kinda neat.

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>>49223972
>>49223937
>>49223803
>yfw it's an ETB Wheel effect for 3RR on a 4/4

>>49224053
Daretti is paralyzed from the waste down and even he popped a boner.

>>49224053
I would cream myself in seconds.
I want it

>>49222763
Ayli I more like a sac deck with a lifegain mini game, but of the two I think Ayli is better than Karlov because she can reach a threshold where you don't need anymore life gain. Karlov needs more and more triggers but once you hit +10 life you dont need to keep feeding her. On top of that, she has her own built in life gain engine. And her removal effect is generally better too. I don't think she is as fun a build around as Karlov though. I've been working on a tuned, "competitive" Karlov list right now and I play tons of cards that have no place anywhere else, like Soulmender and every 1 drop life linker with the intention of getting in that life gain the turn Karlov comes into play and beyond. Being Voltronish centric actually makes Karlov weaker since it means a lot of things have to go right. The deck wins on the back of his ommander damage, so it needs to be able to play him, have a contjnuous lifegain engine, as well as have removal and protection and other ways to punch through damage. It's pretty tough.

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>playing a lot of metal gear revengance
>has me inspired to make a deck about killing people as quickly and flashily as possible
>also has me on a bit of a cyborg bender
Any good suggestions? What decks do you think are the cuhrayzeeist? I was thinking Thraximunder, Grimgrin, Mimeoplasm, Uril, or Omnath, though I'm open for suggestions. I just want something hilariously impractical, but really stylish when piloted correctly.

>>49224260
Impractical but stylish

If you want that, go with grimgrin! That guy feels like piloting Jason voorhees

>>49223417
The Skies of Arcadia ship at least works as a good way to bolt planeswalkers.

>>49224318
Do you have a deck list that I could look at? I don't really want to make a zombie tribal, but I'm really into the idea of sacing a shitload of guys to him in order to beef him up. Is the deck too slow to be fun?

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>>49222763
Trostani is best. You play a regenerating and aggressive token strategy and throw your creatures at the opponents, gaining life and shitting out more creatures. When you reach critical mass life gain wise you drop Felidar Sovereign or the watertower and either win the game or nuke a couple players. Also, by being GW you don't pose that much of a threat, meaning that people don't target you down as quickly.

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>>49223829
What the fuck kind of commander do you want, anime poster? There's over 600 Legendary creatures out there, one of them's bound to do what you want. If you say Izzet Artifacts or Boros not-aggro I swear to fuck

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>>49222126
>Jace's pose

>>49223310
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-vicious-cycle/

>>49223999
Look at it this way

>Play three things on a turn
>Pay extort on all three of them
>6 lifegain triggers for Karlov, buffing him up by +12/+12
>You just gained 9 life to fuel your new wincon
>If you've got something doubling your lifegain like Alhammaret's Archive you just got 18 life.
>Maybe sack Karlov when he gets beefy too with Ayli easily bringing you to 20-30 lifegain per turn

Karlov can make this work easily.

>>49223750
Neat for Glissa.