The Official MTG Snowstorm/Lore Thread

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>>49118989

>>49118817
Getias meets and speaks with Koth. Is that grounds for dismissal?

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>>49118817

>During each round, flakes will be assigned to random opponents in single-elimination tournament fashion.
>Flakes will be treated as though they are all neowalkers in order to create a balance of power.
>Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t.
>Flakes that directly contradict lore, especially by going against or interacting inappropriately with canon characters, will be disqualified.
>Flakes that are joke or troll flakes will be disqualified. The use of silver-bordered cards in a flake’s preferred spell list automatically disqualifies them.

>During the first round, all flakes will be placed into the roster randomly. Flakes that are disqualified will give their random opponents a bye for the round.
>During the first round, flakes will be revealed in smaller groups, noting disqualifications and asking the thread if they wish to disqualify anyone else.

>During each round, small groups of flake match-ups will be revealed
>Arguments and votes will be taken from the thread over which flake is likely to prevail over the other.
>After each round, the flakes that move on will be re-randomized on the roster to make match-ups unpredictable.

>Match-Up rules will treat both competing flakes in a match as though they are both forced into conflict with the other, and neither is allowed to planeswalk away until a winner is determined. Flakes will be treated as though they start with zero assisting summons and will not have prepared for this encounter.

See you all in a few hours.

I haven't been interested in MtG for very long, how do you guys find the preferred spells that would fit each planeswalker? Is there some sort of master list that makes for easy reading?

Fuck it.

I'm out. Tata all.

>>49119051
Gatherer is pretty handy, mostly if you know enough about a plane to base a walker on it then you probably know the associated spells.

>>49119062
Night night.

>>49119062
Who are you and why do we care?

>>49119091
That was Des.

>>49119023
I'd say no. That's not really a case of heavily interacting with lore. That's a minor interaction that sent them on their way.
For instance just about any flake that's been fighting on Zendikar against the eldrazi might have reasonably fought alongside Nissa, Gideon, or any of the gatewatch at some point.
But saying that they're a member of the organization would probably be too much at this point.
That and every flake that's hung around the Izzet has been yelled at by Ral at least once.

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>>49119051
I think of a few things:
>Mechanics that fit the character.
>Names and flavor that fit the character.

For example, let's say you're making a flake that cares a lot about speed and going fast. That's likely to be red, probably with an emphasis on aggro because y'know, going fast and with an emphasis on speed-based flavor.

Which leads to flake like this one being made. There's some minor screw-ups, like the Lightning Berserker and the waif could probably be swapped out for the messenger. But most of these fit well with the mechanical side of 'going fast' and the flavor side of 'going fast.'

>>49119109
And nothing of value was lost.

>>49119150
Be nice.

>>49119146
Oh I know the general feel, flavor and colors of the character, but how and where should I browse for and find actual cards that fit?

>>49119172
No.

>>49119196
Gatherer's the official card depository, although there are better places to do it that I personally don't use.

>>49119196
magiccards.info is great once you have it's search features down. And using it's images reduced to 60% for the preferred spells and 45% of the equipment section is always a good combo.

matchups when?

>>49119958
The guy is gone for a little bit.

>>49120942
BRING HIM BACK
BRING HIM BACK
BRING HIM BACK

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ded thread

Are there cards you lads ignored only to realize it was often better than your old favorite for the role?
Pic related, my go-to unblockable was Keymaster Rogue until a few months ago.

>>49121286
why he have funny colored watermelon rind on him arm?

>>49121373
It's a stylized Silumgar brood dragon scale.

>>49121475
why do silumgar brood have watermelon rinds for scales?

>>49121595
What were you expecting from UB slothful dragons?

>>49121595
Well, Silumgar is the Drifting Death, the Wafting Unpleasantness, the Drafty Funk. Watermelon rinds suit him.

>>49121839
Aw man, Draft Funk are from Silumgar turf? Wow, the more you know, I just got their new album Ruthless Deathfang Mindrots

>>49122308
Silumgar's the face of Drafty Funk, man. He's just got a show name and a fancy mask.

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Hey everyone, sorry for being gone for so long - glad to see that these threads have gotten such a burst of new activity! Woohoo!

Anyway, here's something to go in the Repo - it's not a new piece of writing, just an older one with some edits made that I'd like to replace the existing document. Thanks, whoever looks after the Repo now (if anyone).

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M1pAlA0eNsGWxGGkVPgznvMb226JQPl2spVau1evQlg/edit?usp=sharing (LEWD)

Also, I have here Ussa's kink-flakesheet. I figured it was appropriate that I start doing these, considering, you know, the kind of content I put out. Don't be alarmed by the Eldrazi talk in the sheet, by the way - she's not crazy, she's just inquisitive.

>>49122622
>inquisitive about eldrazi
i've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.

>>49122622
Oh, oops, I meant to post a version without measurements. Well, whatever.
>>49122769
I'm sure this disappoints people, but there's not going to be any of that going on.

>>49122990
>I'm sure this disappoints people
nah, i just wanted to tell a shitty joke. it's totally fine dude.

>>49118817
And I'm back.

Man, we let that junk slip by. Reposting the current flake bunch for reference:

>Melkeroth [DISQUALIFIED: Demon with a spark]
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxYl9MbE1yZnlrdHc

>Izari
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxTDJyekZIMEhuZjg

>Getias
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxRmFUX3hGTks4SjA

>Nicodemus
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxVzkzY0hPQmpzTDQ

>Pitch
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxSTg1LUdxWmx4aU0

>Rynn
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxR0N4VkhzMWdiVHc

>Sem
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxYjlIOXNDTUp5XzA

>Immubruo
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxRi1MRVFNNm9tRXc

>>49122622
Yay, it's been a while since you were around.
Ussa was in a match. , She won.

Ten minute period to hear out cases of disqualification before I reveal the match-ups.

I will simultaneously be going over the flakes again, myself.

>>49123201
neat lineup, was gonna comment about pitch but her life/death state doesn't change during her story, so I think she's good to stay.
Immubruo is pretty bare for sheet content.

>>49123365
I think that for once, we have no additional cases that push too hard on the lore. We might slip through this round with only one disqualification.

>>49123201
>Sem VS Melkeroth
Sem gets a bye to the next round due to Melkeroth's disqualification.

>Rynn VS Izari

>Nicodemus VS Pitch

>Getias VS Immubruo

DISCUSS!

>>49123465
>Rynn vs Izari
I think Izari has this one. Magical experience, greater capabilities with creatures and magic more suited for combat purposes of the two really does shift things in her favor

>Nico vs Pitch
ooooooh, tough call. Honestly Nico seems like one of the few flakes that Pitch would ally with by teaching her how to adjust to her new form and finding a way to modify it into something less painful. Pitch has her hate driving her, but in a battle of magics Nico has the upper hand specifically over her artifact based skills. Sorry Pitch, wanted to see you go far, bad luck.

>Geitas vs Immubruo
>Local man throws rocks at ocean. Squid calls police.
Honestly, their powers are elemental opposites almost, I can't guess at who would win. Imm has big squishies, Gei has small sharpies.

>>49123465
>Rynn and Izari
Rynn's pretty new to this shit, Izari isn't and has more formidable types of magic. Izari gets this.
>Nicodemus and Pitch
Being from Esper, Nicodemus is a master of manipulating artifice. I'll have to give this to Nicodemus over the scarecrow-tribal flake.
>Getias and Immubruo
Immubruo is sadly largely environment-based. Without the waves to dominate and control, he seems lie he's at a disadvantage compared to the geomancer that manipulates the earth they're surrounded by. Getias wins this one.

>>49123201
>>49123465

Slow thread right now, eh? Well, hopefully we get some more life back in here.

I'm gonna go ahead and drop off the polls.


POLLS
http://www.strawpoll.me/11134781
http://www.strawpoll.me/11134782
http://www.strawpoll.me/11134783

>>49123465
>Rynn VS Izari
I love little Rynn, but he really doesn't have the experience to deal with Izari. In time perhaps. But atm? Nope. Izari wins.

>Nico Vs Pitch
Hmm...Ultimate control? Or raw power? Hmmm....Ultimate control orr... I'll go in for Pitch. Tough call, but I've faced too many scarecrow decks.

>Rock man vs Squid
I think Immubruo has it. Their power is actually pretty close, methinks. But Immubruo is smarter and a schemer.

>>49123766
TEN MINUTE CALL

WRAP UP YOUR ARGUMENTS AND VOTING!

>>49123950
how long before Ka'koarm enters the fray? I've updated his sheet but gaia isn't online, so I can add his new sheet to the repository tonight I think.

>>49124001
Hang on, let me look.

You... You have time. That being said, the repository may or may not be updated anymore. It generally doesn't.

>>49124028
no worries, if I have time that's good. The only changes are switching out soulsurge elemental for bedlam reveler and adding Mutant to his class. Very very minor change, but worth noting.

>>49123201
>>49123465
>>49123766

The following flakes advance to the next round:

>Sem
>Izar
>Nicodemus
>Getias
The next batch of flakes is as follows:

>Karas
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxck9ZaTR1UmFUVWM

>Narimi
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdVFmc1d6VVMtZ0E

>Winifred
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxcjh3dHphUnAwY1U
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxblgySGg0QUxiOVk/view?usp=sharing

>Mephiri
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUzRmR2VZdkdlSFk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxcDdmakZpeXQtSzQ/view?usp=sharing

>Tazdir
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxaFIyUE9yX1BwUEk

>Gwendolyn
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxcmpEOVdoeU93bDA

>Xaniphe
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxYTJ3TVhKb215OEU

>Forpols
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxeG1wNkROdmo0am8

DISCUSS!

>>49124072
Yeah, no really though. The possibility exists that we won't get to that match tomorrow.

Shoot, forgot to put an image on the batch post.

>>49124145
oh man, lucky me. I hope I'm not up against a time mage or a mindsculptor, Ka'koarm can't deal with that shit.
>>49124108
>Winifred
oh hey, one of the five little witches. cute!
>Gwendolyn
I fear for the lives of any of her opponents, she too grump to lose.

>>49124108
Tazdir is questionably/hilariously lore breaking due to being a literal jeskai monk.

>>49124279
Whoa, now. Winifred's not from that set of five. She's a little older in make than them.

I would know, I'm the Anon that made her.

>>49124320
we have two cute little black witches with black cats running around?
They should meet and become BFFFs

>>49124318
I'm not all up and up on my Khans lore, but that's one of the old timeline clans, right? So it doesn't exist anymore via time retcon?

>>49124318
>>49124359

from what we've been informed, the changes to tarkir's timeline don't effect anything outside of tarkir, so any tarkir walkers that were off-world when the time change happened are now temporal orphans IIRC. This was stated to make it so that Bolas would not know what Ugin survived in an ask I believe.

>>49124108
Efreet are a type of djinn, right? Do they qualify for sparks?

>>49124359
Yup. Sarkhan went back a thousand years and saved Ugin. The dragonstorms intensified and the 5 elder dragons nuked the old clans and replaced them with their broods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8UvZBfa0JM

>>49124398
depends on the plane, some have efreet that are naturally born enough as a race that they might qualify, like tarkir.

>>49124396
They had said that Sarkhan was an orphan of time due to time travelling himself, but they had said that there simply weren't any walkers that came to or from Tarkir to avoid this timey-wimey ball.

>>49124468
well we got walkers from tarkir, which means we either have to disqualify them all as non-canon due to that statement, or assume that they all avoided the time-wimey ball unless they were born in the new dragon tarkir.

We're mostly looking pretty good.

Last call to call any possible disqualifications.

>>49124511
Typically the statement isn't really followed, but most flakes just use the dragon side of Tarkir out of a courtesy to avoid this debate.

>>49124396
Sarkhan is the only temporal orphan. Canonically, no one outside of Sarkhan ever came to or from Tarkir between Ugin going comatose and Ugin waking up.

Any planeswalker other than Sarkhan would be able to transmit the time fuckery from Tarkir to another plane. Let's put it this way:

>Ugin is killed by Nicol Bolas, leaving his knowledge lost forever and him incapable of imparting his knowledge on Jace, on another plane separate from Tarkir.

>FATE REFORGED

>Instead of dying, Ugin goes comatose and is awoken and is able to wake up and go on to educate Jace and help him combat the Eldrazi on Zendikar.
>This is evidence that the time shenanigans of Tarkir did have an impact on other planes. In the first world, Jace did not learn from Ugin on Zendikar. In the second world, Jace did learn from Ugin on Zendikar.

Now, here's a non-canon, imaginary example working on the same principle.

>A Mardu warrior becomes a planeswalker in this thirteen-century period.
>Visiting another plane, he liberates the slaves of a vast kingdom and teaches them how to rule themselves and dominate the men that once led them.
>A new nation is left where the kingdom once stood, built on the values of liberty and the right of all free-willed creatures to determine their own fates.

>FATE REFORGED

>It turns out that the Mardu warrior that visited the plane was actually a Kolaghan cannibal.
>Instead of liberating the kingdom, the berserker went on a vast, vicious massacre, turning the entire kingdom into a blood-stained, anarchic wasteland.
>In the world before Fate Reforged, the Mardu warrior created a nation that respects freedom and self-determinism above all else. In the world after Fate Reforged, the Kolaghan barbarian ravaged the land and created nothing but death.

This is how time travel works, and how the changes on Tarkir are transmitted to other planes.

post the polls so I can sleep.

>>49124713
Pffft. I didn't even post the match-ups yet. Think I'm gonna call one disqualification on this one, though it's an unfortunate effect of the lore.

>Tazdir VS Xaniphe
Xaniphe gets a bye to the next round as the result of Tazdir's disqualification.

>Forpols VS Karas

>Narimi VS Mephiri

>Winifred VS Gwendolyn

DISCUSS!

>>49124741
>Some kind of vampire vs a thallid

>Animator vs Efreet

>Curse-Witch vs Spirit Knight

That's some wild match-ups.

>>49124741
This is me. >>49124713
I have to sleep, because I wake up in 6 hours. Can't wait any longer. So here's my vote.

+1 Xaniphe
Abstain from Karas vs Forpols
+1 Narimi (she's an oldwalker and a practical demi-god from her plane to boot)
The last one is very, very close. I flipped a coin. +1 Gwendolyn

Night.

Rynn anon here, what have I missed?

>>49124967
Your flake came up in the previous round.

>>49124108
>>49124741
POLLS.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11134986/
http://www.strawpoll.me/11134989/
http://www.strawpoll.me/11134988/

>>49124741
I think the vampire might be more combat-ready.

The second match is pretty interesting.

That third one is DEADLY. They both do a lot of punishing, but one of them is a knight and the other one likes to stack weakening enchantments. I'm giving that one to Winifred.

>>49125006
Not a lot of people voting right now, but we have an odd number rolling. Slow part of the night. The next round I think is going to be the last one, and I'll leave that poll up overnight.

TEN MINUTE CALL.

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>>49124108
>>49124741
>>49125006
The following flakes advance to the next round:

>Xaniphe
>Karas
>Narimi
>Winifred

The next batch of flakes is as follows:

>Andromeda
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxS3gxaV9wM3UxNDQ

>Venn
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxZGlXeUhDYkFwdnM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdjdLZHZjbGtHYUU/view?usp=sharing

>Harla
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxWnpQV1NKTzVDS2s

>Doctor Roman Whitebog
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxMlgxbjJrejlLVEk

>Sephren
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxNnZDNlMwNzUzb0k

>Balbus
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxNmFnc3N3WnMxUVU

>Sim
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxdWpuTl9RQzRiSk0

>Siah'liel
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxOGJ4dXJtX3RMcDA

DISCUSS!

>>49125389
Sephren breaks lore hard, particularly with the fact that he's best friends with Cromat, an established character. And he can summon Cromat on other worlds? Please. The soul of Dominaria stays on Dominaria. Disqualified?

>>49125424
Cromat's not actually the soul of Dominaria, that's lore invented by Vronak.

All we know about Cromat is that it is a five-color illusion. There's no established lore.

>>49125424
I... don't think Cromat has any lore?

>>49125464
Read Sephren's sheet. He invents that lore for Cromat.

>>49125506
Man, shouldn't be making up lore like that.

Also, I was literally reading the Ravnica novel earlier and Siah'liel is making me slightly uneasy. The Sisters of Stone Death were supposedly the only gorgons anywhere on the plane at the time. The notice about their betrayal is right, and only one of them survived, because she stood down when confronted with the idea that if she kept fighting, then gorgons would go extinct.

>>49124812
As an aside, your votes didn't tilt anything in any direction, but since you decided that last one on a coin filp, your vote would have caused a tie that would have made me flip a coin.
The chaos is real.

Thanks for your input, though.

>>49125650
That's what your problem is?

She seems to not have been able to go back to Ravnica, but her spell list is practically all newschool Golgari and Simic. Simic weren't even making Krasis and other related mutants back then, they were focused on bio-engineering body augmentations and using cytoplasty.

Well, that's conflicting.

So, folks, give me your feedback: Do we let the gorgon play, or does she push too hard on the lore?

>>49125854
which is the gorgon? gimme a second to read, just got here

>>49125854
I'd say let her stay. The Sisters of Stone Death were the only known gorgons of Ravnica, but a hidden gorgon makes perfect sense. Otherwise where did the other ones come from in time for RtR?
Besides that she was in hiding, then basically bailed after being discovered by the one type of guildmage that wouldn't give enough of a shit to tell everyone "There are more gorgons in hiding"

>>49125854
>>49125967

isn't vraska originally from ravnica? Or was she from a different plane? I thought there were more than just those legendary gorgons on ravnica?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=369064

I have confirmation of ravnican non-legendary gorgons, Siah'liel is good to go

>>49125967
>>49126003
The only reason that gorgons like Vraska are possible now is because one Sister didn't die, preventing the whole race from going extinct.

>>49126031
Wrong time period.

>>49126077
to be fair, "born to the sisters of stone death" in this very situation is easily replaced with "born to the remaining sister of stone death". Seeing as the nonlegendary ravnican gorgon I found is an adult, there is reason to believe they were born a while back, meaning that there's wiggle room for whatever her ages is. Her discrepancy is minor, she should stay.

Though, she should really change her font. Jesus christ that isn't fun to read.

>>49126135
A lot of time passed between Ravnica and Return to Ravnica. There was the Mending between those blocks, even.

The flake being discussed would have been born sometime before the events of the first Ravnica book.

>>49126077
>>49126182
the salvation wiki, while outdated, does lists https://www.amazon.ca/Ravnica-Cycle-Book-I/dp/0786937920 as a source next to the statement that "gorgons" were one of the races inhabiting ravnica during the ravnica block, while waiting to mention the sisters in another paragraph. What is your source that states the sisters were the ONLY gorgons?

>>49126242
Because I literally own and have read that book several times. I can even give you context as to why that was important.

Part of Savra's arc in the book is that she wants to overthrow the Sisters of Stone Death, putting the guild into her hands so that the Devkarin Elves will be on top again. To accomplish this, with Szadek's help figuring out the details, she travels down into the most hidden reaches of the Guild Hall, where the parun Svogthir was entombed. Svogthir was such a talented necromancer and a crazy, power-hungry person that most of his body had been replaced with other parts, except for his head. There was so much necromantic magic in his head that he was actually extremely difficult to kill.

Now, Svogthir had been entombed down for a thousand years or so. The Sisters of Stone Death had overthrown him, because their power as Gorgons was to siphon the power of others. When they defeated him, they trapped him where no one in the guild knew to look and behaved as though they had slain the "God-Zombie."

Savra not only rejuvenates and empowers Svogthir's body, giving him mobility again, she basically takes control over it. The deal she barters with him is that he'll help her take control of the guild from the Sisters, and in exchange his leadership will only be as a figurehead, while she does all of the heavy lifting.
So Svogthir goes on a rampage through the Guildhall and gains the respect of the monstrous hybrid creatures that live there, and then eventually faces off with the Sisters. This time, Savra is protecting him from their power siphoning. He easily kills the first, then the second. The third sister, the wisest one, Ludmilla, is given the chance to back down, lest she not only die, but there be no gorgons left. Facing the death of herself and her entire race, Ludmilla surrenders.

>>49126242
>>49126182
there we go, found it on their own personal page, I can confirm your statement. "The former guildmaster challenged the Sisters and swiftly killed two of them, making Ludmilla the last living sister, and the last living member of the gorgon race on Ravnica".
If the gorgon is to be lore-friendly, it would either, as above says, had to have been a hidden member of the sisters, but that is pushing lore too much, or would have had to be younger than the murder of the two other sisters. Ice Age anon, I change my mind, I believe the gorgon in that bundle is disqualifiable.

>>49126363
while I can corroborate your story now, simply saying you've read the book a bunch of times is not a defense that holds up well. Though, your elaboration on the details in the manner you've manage does support the claims and is consistent with what I've read, so yes, it appears that the gorgon we have, as written, seems to be lore breaking in a way that is not necessary or justified. She should be disqualified.

>>49125389

Well, the room seems to have settled, so I guess I'll post the overnight match-ups. The polls will be up shortly.

>Balbus VS Doctor Roman Whitebog

>Haria VS Andromeda

>Venn VS Siah'liel
Venn gets a bye to the next round as the result of Siah'liel's disqualification.

>Sephren VS Sim
Sim gets a bye to the next round as the result of Sephren's disqualification.

DISCUSS.
Polls will also be available shortly, and will be up all night.

>>49125389
>>49126504
POLLS!

http://www.strawpoll.me/11135252
http://www.strawpoll.me/11135251

These will be up all night and won't close until after I give the ten minute call sometime in the morning.
There are going to be a lot of match-ups during the day tomorrow, followed by none during the evening and then some more that night.

>>49126504
>Balbus vs Whitebog
gonna have to give this one to whitebog, balbus has some diversity in spells but nothing too powerful or exceptionally offensive, whereas whitebog has eldrazi, the atchmaking's cheap way for victory. Since both of them are human, Balbus doesn't wally have a race advantage he can try and swing in his favor.

>Harla vs Andro
a classice fight of skill vs strength.
This is actually a pretty hard fight to discern. Andro seems to have the brawn advantage, but Harla has the skill and maneuverability advantage. I think Andro has her fight because she's dealing with a lote more raw power with her selection, and her ranged capabilities bridge the gap between the two pretty fast.

>>49125424
The Cromat summon itself isn't always the worldsoul of Dominaria. Only on Dominaria it is. When on other planes, it's that plane's worldsoul. So, on Zendikar, Cromat would say "Oh." A lot.

Here's one for you: how do you portray a novice magic user planeswalker with favored spells/cards?

>>49129214
Fleeting Distraction

>>49129214
A bunch of one drops.

>>49129283
That one was a no-brainer. Seems like the first spell any furtive illusionist would learn.

>>49129214
Cantrips?

Do you have any creatures with your preferred spells/cards? Why? Do you justify them as allies or companions of the character?

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>>49129626
People that you may have trained with or spent a long time around.
Lorewise when you cast a creature spell you make mana copies of people or animals out of aether by getting to know them in a color appropriate manner.

Thane for instance would have known someone who fit the description of a "Young pyromancer" who was eager to learn and show off their skills, and learned to make a copy of how he saw them and what they could do.
Or learned how to summon a copy of Mercurial Geists after watching them escape confinement and wreck a lab.

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>Serena and Venn

>>49129694
Poor Venn.

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>>49129960
If his symbol isn't pic related, I'll be sorely disappointed.

So this looks kinda interesting. How do I get into it?

>>49130145
When I asked, they told me to save myself from this madness and turn back.

As far as I know, just make a steel donut planeswalker.

>>49130209
What's a steel donut?

>>49130296
Donut steel - do not steal.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/original-character-do-not-steal

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>>49130296
Original Character Donut Steel.

It's a joke. We make shitty OC Planeswalkers and sometimes write stuff about them.

What qualities does Taimyo get her green from?

>>49130496
First ability is a mono green spell
Second ability is a monk blue spell.
Third ability is two mono blue spells.

>>49130522
I mean lore and personality wise.

>>49130564
She's /VERY/ ingrained in observing and not interfering with things, the idea that things should proceed as was intended without her intervention is a very green mentality.

>>49130564
She believes in not changing a planes natural order or culture.

>>49130634
>>49130700
So basically her magical Prime Directive?

>>49130745
Surely why not Trekkie.

Have any of you made a crossover flake from some other setting?

Hey Serena anon, did you purge your steam account?

>>49130816
No. It was temporarily stolen by some Russian, no real harm but I lost my friend list, feel free to add me back.

>>49130811
Vronak is half of an old D&D charrie. The rest are made up on the fly.

>>49126538
TEN MINUTE CALL!

Also, there will be a break between the end of this round and the start of the next one.

>>49130859
Who won against Winni and Gwen?

>>49130841
Can't find it, steam name?

>>49131268
Serena of Flight Goldnight.

>>49125389
>>49126504
>>49126538
The following flakes advance to the next round:

>Doctor Roman Whitebog
>Andromeda
>Venn
>Sim

More match-ups in a bit...
This post would have been up sooner, but something weird happened when I initially went to post it.

>>49131203
CTRL+F, man. It's still the same thread.

>>49131523
Look at the poll.

>>49131523
I think you took the tally when only two of the regular anons were awake.

>>49131552
>>49131569
Unfortunately, them's the breaks, folks. We were getting 4-5 votes per poll up until that one, and we got three votes and a written vote in the thread that didn't sway the poll results. It wasn't much, but it happened to have an odd number of voters and no ties, so winners were called at the time and the next batch was set up to be the overnight poll in the face of the dwindling thread.

>>49131569
>>49131552
It happens, Gwen didn't get through. There's no reason to be upset over it.

Not like it's one of your flakes, right?

>>49131591
Hey iceman, been out of the loop for a while so this thing is pretty new for me. Where can I see the results of all fights until now? Also, how do you decide which flakes fight each time, just a random roll?

>>49131684
I copied down a list of every single flake from the repository by folder name, then randomized the list.

I'll post the list of flakes that survived Round 1 when Round 1 is over. Otherwise, you can find them by looking back at the last few threads.
I'll go ahead and link those threads, but most or all of them might have fully expired by now:
>>49064989
>>49088121
>>49106618

>>49131736
Oh, wow, they all linked.
Well. There's your catch-up post, folks.

Gonna go have lunch. The next batch starts when I get back.

>>49131591
When I got up this morning, there were only two votes in. Perhaps it'd be best to wait for around five votes and see then. This isn't supposed to be a popularity contest (even though it is for a couple of voters). The point of this ordeal is to see who would win a tournament, right? So, would you please reconsider it?

>>49131670
No, but it's Des' and I know she'd like to see one of her flakes get through.

>>49131523
>venn
My Little Fuccboi got off easy

>>49132084
How many times have you protested the outcome of these?

It's clear you don't like how it's being handled so maybe you should stop being involved.

>>49132084
I hear what you're saying. Ideally, we want as many people to input their votes as possible to get a more clear picture.

I won't reverse any contests that have already happened, though.

>>49132211
Damn angels, get outta my plane!
>>49131736
Why, thanks Iceman.
>>49132084
To be fair man we all know that the vast majority of flakes is not gonna be able to take on the bigger names in the competition. And actually Des has a lot of flakes anyway, sure at least a few are gonna pass the round.

>>49132239
Only once. This time it's just about the actual votes. And go suck a dick if you don't like me making comments. That's what the board is for, leaving comments about flakes and lore.

>>49132271
Eh. While this is very true, I like to think everyone's vote matters. Not just two of the people who happen to be up late at night while everyone else is aspleep.

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>>49125389
>>49126504
>>49131523

The next batch of flakes is as follows:

>Ioneth
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUVBmWjlzX1hkcUk?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Samnel
0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Acervus
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxSTVDNzRKYVc5amM?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Nishal
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxak41NUZTZjRmMkU?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Aeon
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxMHk4NnVPV2hvc0U?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Dr. Vontrask
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxLXNmSDh0bTBrWUE?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Zulkaz
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxOTNjREFvZjBUSjQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>The Messenger
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxSFp5N1pGNF91MTA?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

DISCUSS!

>>49132336
Well shit.

>>49132336
Boy did I botch those links. Somehow.

>Ioneth
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUVBmWjlzX1hkcUk?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Samnel
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxNFJjYnpuSFd6VlU?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>>49132336
I'm not sure about the validly of the Messenger, considering that it gets its spark from the 'message' that it is meant to be carrying.
Aeon's time traveling rubs me the wrong way but then again, it doesn't directly break any rules - like so many others made by that person.
Zulkaz also seems a bit off but again, there's nothing I can say other than I thoroughly disagree with how the maker interprets the lore in the bio, acting as though colors of mana are tangible things that characters are aware of.

The only one I have anything solid against is Messenger. I just thoroughly disagree with the design behind Aeon, Zulkaz and to a lesser extent, Vontrask.

>>49132336
Since the Messenger has hit the list, I'd like to re-quote some of the rules, not relative to the disqualification discussions.

>>49119035
>Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t.
>Match-Up rules will treat both competing flakes in a match as though they are both forced into conflict with the other, and neither is allowed to planeswalk away until a winner is determined. Flakes will be treated as though they start with zero assisting summons and will not have prepared for this encounter.

>>49132336
>samnel
Hey, it's that guy Serena molested. Twice.

>>49132436
>will not have prepared for this encounter.
Except if they cast Anticipation, right? :^)

>>49132417
How is using the spark from the message any different from having gifted the spark and other stuff that has already passed in the previous votes?

>>49132336
Only one I have issue with is Aeon due to the time travelling.

>>49132484
It hasn't been transferred directly to him. The spark is something he is carrying in a physical sense, rather than something that has intentionally been transferred into his being.

But I still see your point.

>>49132336
> Ioneth
Elf Enchantress without much of a win mechanic. She turns her non-aura enchantments into critters. But, none of them are very threatening.

> Sammy
Serena is going to be upset when he loses.

> Acervus
Weeaboo MMO knight who likes other knights and spirits. Might make for a good battle. We'll just have to wait and see.

> Nishal
Everyone's favorite Leonin. Has cats and pumps. Could also make for a good fight.

> Aeon
Time Lord who specializes in killing. Especially those who can also use time trickery. There is more than enough time for Aeon.

> Weak doctor who does experiments on things. Creepy as all fuck, probably can't win.

> Zulkaz
Troll Merc who was a simic experiment who went Golgari once he got free. Now he specializes in big critters and assassinations.

> Messy
Sorry, he has no time for tournaments.

>>49132336
I feel like Aeon's time-travelling is as lore shattering as Will's. He should probably go bye.

>>49132519
I doubt spark is something thats in a bottle or something inside him. Since he is able to use it, I have just always assumed its already transferred to him. Carrying and being gifted is not really that different, especially when we are discussing flakes. Some much bigger stretches have already passed. If he had developed the spark on his own, then I would have a problem with it.

>>49132579
It's not. How is it lore shattering to you?

>>49132336
So, looks like >>49132579, >>49132484 and >>49132417 agree on Aeon being as breaking as Will is. Is it safe to say all of these time-travelers should be excluded?

>>49132627
No. It's totally within canon.

>>49132627
We let one time trickery flake through.

>>49132627
I'd say yes. Its always so convoluted shit and canon twisting and bending. Not like there are that many of them anyway so its not some mass disqualification if it happens.

>>49132690

Zix time-stops for a few seconds. ZA WARUDO isn't the same as "I can time-travel."

>>49132336
Hell yes the messenger!

>>49132530
but anon, what if someone prevents him from completing his goal.

>>49132627
I'd say case-by-case, while it's technically within canon it's so rare and so powerful that the flake in question NEEDS extremely limited use of it.

>>49132690
If you mean Sumarru, his attention to muck with time was disastrous and caused significant lag between his mind and his body.

Thoroughly different this '*teleports back in time and stabs your flake in the back*' character.

>>49132671
How? Explain?

>>49132627
>>49132723
So then, you're thinking maybe just make it where he cannot travel through time during the match. Because that could count as leaving the match and disqualify him? I'd say no past or future trickery. That work?

Zix and Sumarru are both capable of the lowest level of time magic.

Aeon's profile is evidence that Aeon is a time fucker of the same scale as Will, who was disqualified for being a time fucker.

Ban he.

>>49132763
Clockworkers, Tolarian Tempora Mages, and Ugin do the same things.

>>49132778
This.

>>49132775
that's a legit compromise, I can agree with it.

>>49132778
Except Will straight up causes planar chaos events and warps the fabric of time and space. Æon does not.

>>49132775
Will didnt get that special treatment.

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>>49129693
http://pastebin.com/BanTuFfX
"Flight from Stensia"
Well just because the ice age is afoot doesn't mean that writefagging can't happen anymore. So I give you the third and final story of Thane's Shadows over Innistrad set.
I also decided to stop the "pastebin for grammar, then a permanent" thing.
Read it here, the pastebin's good for a month and hopefully someone will pick up the duty of handling the repository.

>>49132800
No they don't. Not to the scale of Aeon or Will. The two of them can hop around the timeline seemingly unhindered, like a timelord but with no Tardis.

>>49132828
He's more than capable of it by being able to move back and forth in time. He's on the same level, he deserves the same disqualification.

>>49132831
Will's flake is impossible though. It doesn't follow canon while Æon does.

>>49132846
That is literally 100% what the Clockworkers do band even more so. They can pick and choose what parallel universes they travel to. If they don't like certain choices made, they sprout from one timeline to another that people made the choices they like or that events happened the way they liked them to. Æon is not capable of that.

>>49132861
How does aeon follow canon? You still haven't explained it to us.

>>49132855
Time travel doesn't cause planar chaos events.

>>49132890 see >>49132889

>>49131386
Cant find you, steam mobile is shit. Add DIOMEDES ?

>>49132889
You mean clockworkers who are from a novel that has very dubious canonity?

>>49132889
They're literally from a continuity-breaking book. Their validity is questionable.
>>49132908
It can cause change of the same level.

>>49132924
Only the one character being alone was dubious. Everything literally has to be canon as it was the setup for the Alara block.

>>49132417
IIRC messenger is transporting the spark by having it donated to him and him just not being smart enough to realize he doesn't have a container, he is the container. I could be wrong though.

>>49132926
Time travel can cause problems. Sure, which is why Æon kills temporal mages. However, it cannot cause a planar chaos event as we no longer can fuck with a plane's physical properties to the point of fucking up mana. Which is oldwalker level of shit. Which by the way, Will did.

>>49132958
The book came out in 2010 and its event were clearly set after Alara, which came out in 2008.

>>49132926
So let's assume for the sake of argument, that AAeon's timetravelling abilities don't break canon (which they do). Why should he be aallowed to compete where Will was disqualified?

Like I stated here >>49132775 , how about we restrict what he can is allowed do for the tournament. The tournament Jude could see traveling through time as "leaving the match". Which would be an automatic loss by default.

>>49132993
Time travel is already a dubious spot. Most time related spells are stretching time out, not freely hopping through time. That requires big stuff like Urza's silver project or an Ugin's worth of colorless mana.

>>49133008
Even the mtg wiki feels a need to put a disclaimer on Test of Metal that it's canoncity is questionable every time it's mentioned. It's pretty much the book where "The events involved vaguely happened, but don't look into the details." and has apparently been contradicted repeatedly by most pieces of information released since.

>>49133057
Why should we make a special case for your flakes?

>>49133057
Or just ditch the flakes that blatantly break the established time travelling lore, like we did with Will.

>>49133008
Test of Metal filled in the gaps left for the beginning of the Alara block. It literally takes place on the shard of Jund.

>>49133065
The only part that is contradictory is Baltrice surviving Liliana's assault.

>>49133088
And what is the time traveling lore? Because there are multiple ones. And Æon falls under two of the canons. Thus, if two of them say yes and one of them says no... Then what? Disqualification because? Because you know better than MaRo?

>>49133139
You still haven't answered >>49133027

>>49133073
It's not a special case. Will isn't disqualified simply because time trickery. It's literally everything else with the character. He is able to access shit he shouldn't. Like hidden worlds. He's able to destroy mana leylines.

>>49133027
Æon doesn't break canon. At all. What so ever.

Also, see >>49133203

Why is it that over half of Vronak's flakes seem to create conversations like this?

Vronak, maybe you should take this as a sign?

>>49133164
Wow, appeal to authority. Didn't expect to see that here. Aeon's canon following is dubious since the canonity of the lore you are basing him on is dubious.
>>49133232
Of course he wont. He loves to abuse things that are unclear to make his creations more powerful.

>>49133203
He never destroyed mana leylines. And who says he can't access hidden worlds? Where was that part of canon?

>>49133248
Except the entire Tarkir story arch.

>>49133254
The lore says you cannot access worlds that are blocked from the rest of the multiverse. This is what Gaia did. Then Will was like "i want my waifu" and decided that he could now just do that anyways. And then destroyed her entire plane to "get her back".

>>49133248
A lot of people mis-use that phrase, so I'm going to point this out:

Appeal to Authority is a fallacy that only counts when the authority or expert being appealed to is not an authority or expert on the subject being discussed. For example, if Einstein were to say some stuff about something outside of his expertise that may or may not be correct, it is an appeal to authority to namedrop his take on it just because he is respectable, rather than to go to a source more likely to know whether that's right or not.

Most of these rules are not on a case-by-case basis. One avatar got disqualified, ALL SUBSEQUENT AVATARS GOT DISQUALIFIED.

Will, who is a time TRAVELER as opposed to a mage who can manipulate time on a small scale, got disqualified. That means NO TIME TRAVELERS.

>>49133254
Flakepoint. He used time trickery to get a life he liked which fucked up the mana leylines of the entire multiverse. That lead to a new planar chaos and Timeshift.

>>49133338
>Will, who is a time TRAVELER as opposed to a mage who can manipulate time on a small scale, got disqualified.

This is what I thought too.

>>49133338
actually, all avatars that WERE NOT formerly some other race got disqualified. When we reach an avatar that was formerly a creature that was not, like any of the angel or demon flakes, it WILL be treated differently.

That said, Aeon relies too much on materials that are dubious at best, and needs yo be considered for disqualification, as a case-by-case situation.

>>49133338
By that logic, Will is a flake. Will was disqualified. All flakes are disqualified.

He wasn't disqualified because of time trickery.

>>49133375
Æon doesn't rely on the lore of Test of Metal. It just coincides with his function. So does Ugin's temporal magic. I don't see you all saying Tarkir is non-canon because Urza Saga.

>>49133352
That didn't fuck with leylines, just the timestream

>>49133323
There is no existing analogy to Gaia's plane in canon. That storyline was something the two anons did entirely within snowstorm canon. You can't use it for your argument

>>49133431
That is how a planar chaos occurs. It fucked with the mana lay lines f the entire multiverse. Thus, new versions of flakes.

You think there haven't been planes blocked to the rest of the multiverse in the lore? Wow. I guess if you haven't read something, it automatically means it never happened. Right? Fuck what WotC writes. Apparently it doesn't matter if you personally don't read it.

>>49133331
Ice age, I think it's been a bit more than the usual time, and I don't think I see any new arguments popping up. What do you think on the matter?

>>49133487
I don't mean there have never been planes blocked off from travel, I mean there have never been planes cut off from the blind eternities in the aame manner Gaia's plane was. And no, that doesn't fuck with the leylines. Just timelines. The magic of the multiverse is the same. Just the events that occurred changed.

>>49133559
Mana leylines, æther, and time streams all flow together in the Blind Eternities. You fuck up one, you fuck up the others. This is literally the point of Time Spiral and Tarkir.

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As long as this card exists. Time Trickery exists in Magic.

>>49133671
>using cards to prove canonity

Its not the end of the world if aeon is disqualified

>>49133699
With Gravborn and Vronak disqualified, how will he ever prove he's the best and strongest if his last deus ex flake doesn't make it in?

>>49133699
The point is, why should he be? LiterlLy multiple stories in the canon prove that he can do what he does. And literally spells exist that is exactly what he does.

It's like a couple of anons just want every one of Vronak's flakes dq'd or down voted.

>>49133699
>>49133726
This is all that Vronak is here for, anon.

To make every discussion revolve around him, to make sure we all focus on him no matter what the topic is.

We've all said our piece. The majority agree that Aeon should be disqualified. Now it's time to shut up and wait for the verdict of Ice Age, now that the point has been made.

Don't feed the troll any more than you have already.

>>49133726
Vronak wasn't dq'd.

>>49133754
> the majority
> literally all posts coming from two IPs

Ice Age, the conversation is moving from talking about flakes to talking about people. Get things back in line, call it.

>>49133735
If we wanted all of his (your) flakes dis'q, we would've asked that for literally all. But so far, several of them have made it through.

>>49133775
>I-Its just samefagging

>>49133775
How do you check IPs? I'm not an experienced channerman.

>>49133726
>>49133735
Personally, I don't care. Even if my flake isn't disqualified, a particular anon is going to mass-vote against everyone of my flakes. So, if it can be controlled by one person who gets around the IP restrictions. Then what does it really matter?

>>49133775
Prove it's just two IPs. Prove. It.

>>49133829
So its absolutely impossible for you to legit lose any polls? Are you actually that deluded?

>>49133801
> several
Don't confuse me with Des or the anon that made Ashryn/Astarte.

>>49133823
Same way peeps can tell where Xbox players are located. You have a program that pings singals. And it'll give you an area that they come from.

>>49133829
>it's only one person, s-sempai
Also, if it doesn't matter to you, why the fuck do you bother eating up so much thread to argue the point?

>>49133860
So, where do the people that are posting against you live?

What are the locations of these two people?

>>49133860
I'm not. But I've been paying attention to your flakes. I know which ones are yours.

>>49133852
Oh, no. I don't mind losing and I've even voted against my flakes before. It's just like I said, someone is getting passed the IP restriction and making multiple posts. Ice Age Anon himself said he saw a mass-vote that turned a 100% vote for one of my flakes to making my flake lose.

>>49133874

Because it makes him angry, but admitting you're mad is like admitting you've lost, so he's simultaneously trying to be above all this petty shit while being very, very concerned with this petty shit and trying to make the entire Ice Age about his fucking victim complex.

>>49133874
That's literally what he is here for, anon.

Let me tell you a secret.

Vronak is a troll.

You are giving the troll what it wants.

By paying attention to the troll, it's getting what it wants.

Ignore Vronak, ignore the trolling and let the faggot starve.

>>49133874
Getting facts straight. I try to make sure people know what they are talking about so when people make their flakes, they aren't bashed for the same shit even if they are following the canon.

Ic Age.
Call it.

>>49133895
Actually, you will be able to get 100% of my flakes. Sure. But, you'll also say others are mine that are not. Just because someone posts from a phone, you automatically assume it's my flake.

>>49133897
That never happened with any of your flakes. Vronak even had two votes FOR him out of 9. And prove that people get around the IP restrictions. Again. Fucking. Prove it.

>>49133897
So its impossible that the vote just turned, instead of someone actually doing the IP thing you are blaming them of?

This is a reminder not to respond to Vronak.

Do not respond to the above posts.

Do not feed the troll.

>>49133958
This wasn't about Vronak.

I, DIOMEDES, am a retard who accidently hit ignore Serrna. Resendm

>>49133950
I'm not the same anon who calls that. I'm the anon who pays attention when you out yourself knowingly as Vronak and then post a flake.

Do not feed the troll.

The hell even is ice age anon? He hasn't spoken up in a bit. Did he bail like gaia?

>>49133991
If I was trying to hide flakes I make, I'd make them with different fonts and layouts. Then upload them when I get home after work from my computer.

Literally, why would I claim to be different people? To what end?

Don't talk shit about Gaia. There's nothing wrong with bailing after thanklessly maintaining a project for several months.

Do not feed Vronak. Do not respond to the troll.

>>49134090
I LITERALLY JUST FUCKING SAID I'M NOT THE ANON WHO ACCUSES ANY IMAGE.JPG AS BEING YOURS

FUCK MAN

>>49134104
Be nice. I think some people are just let down because they saw Gaia as the person letting them have the fun by keeping up with it all. Kind of like she was their surrogate mother to these hooligan children.

>>49134135
Psst, hey guy. I've got some advice for you.

You're feeding the troll.

>>49134135
Again. That doesn't change what I said. Relax. I'd ask you to prove you could list all my flakes. But, even if you did that without including anyone else's flakes, I really have far too many flakes and wouldn't want anyone typing that much. I'm not saying you are or aren't the guy who keeps saying that all these random flakes are mine. I'm saying, there is literally no reason for me to hide who I am.

>>49134104
oh no, I did not mean to talk shit, I think this is a similar situation in a way. Ice Age has a project he likes and we're abusing it to talk shit about flake creators. I wish he'd return and end it with a call, because letting this thread reach bump limit over infighting is just not good for the project, but if he decides "fuck it, these people ain't worth it" I would not be surprised.

>>49134206
The only way to stop this is to stop feeding the troll. Stop responding to any post you think might be Vronak, even if he's responding to your criticism of his flakes.

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Get in faggots, we're going podracing

How many of you have homebrewed actual planeswalker cards for your flakes?

>>49134228
Gangsta Emracool in this sweet car edit when?

>>49134228
>they canonized Chandra's "now this is podracing!" meme
Aw shit nigga

DWARVES ARE BACK

>>49134245
>>49134278
Maro's already confirmed that yes, you technically can crew a vehicle with an untapped but crewed vehicle.
We might literally be able to go TTGL with Vehicles.
You could take a soldier token, and use it to crew this, and use this to crew anything with crew 6 or less.
So I'm waiting for the fuckhuge mech with crew 11 to be printed.

>>49134281
BULLSHIT, WHAT

>>49134281
Late to the game on that one we already knew this.

>>49134245
And to answer your first question, a lot of us have. It's part of the fun. See >>49132842 for my latest idea.

>>49134281

I'm calling dibs on a WUB Kaladeshi Dwarf snowflake who walks to Esper and looks down on their primitive artifice

>Get in the fucking robot, Jace!

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>>49134281
>>49134342
>>49134353
Apparently they like cars. Likely to compensate for something. Like how short they are.

>>49134581
She literally looks like a somewhat thick normal if short woman.

>and Ice Age was never heard from again

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>>49134342

>>49134635
They weren't going to appeal to your shortstack fetish anon.

Ice anon? Do you live? Come back! We need you!

>>49134727
Like, I don't even like shortstacks, but the fact that they call a shorter than average human a dwarf triggers my autism.

>>49134804
Stop whining, they probably just went to sleep.

>>49134145
>Gaia, the anon who hates mothers
>became a mother to the thread
Oh, the poetic irony

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>>49134805
Fair enough.
On the bright side, she makes it so you need fewer dwarves to fully arm your new Star Destroyer. And gets some extra power out of it too. I swear she's actually going to get to fly this thing in story. Calling it.

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>>49134918
And now Gremlins are officially a creature not owned by phyrexia on Kaladesh at least.

They seem to be feral though so Vronak still loses.

>>49134946
jesus holy fuck these are cute

>>49132336
Sometimes, when stuff gets really crazy, it's good to just sit back and let the thread work itself out. The only downside of having every last flake in one event is that every argument that we ever had for months resurfaces in a short period of time.
Of course, when Round One is over, there won't be any disqualifications, and we will just go straight into match-ups.

So I read the thread, I went back and looked at old threads for reference, and I'll make the call now.

The match-ups are as follows:

>The Messenger VS Samnel

>Acervus VS Zulkaz

>Nishal VS Dr. Vontrask

>Aeon VS Ioneth
Ioneth gets a bye to the next round as the result of Aeon's disqualification.

DISCUSS!

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Diabolic Tutor reprint?

>>49134946
Grimsby's parents are Phyrexian Gremlins that were trapped/left behind on Dominaria after the Invasion.

>>49135152
You still disqualify flakes when they aren't lore breaking. This is the second time you've done this.

>>49135155
God, I love the kinda-manipulative pseudo lesbian sister relationship they've got going on right now. It's the perfect recipe for a hot disaster.

>>49135152
>The Messenger and Samnel
The Messenger's only strength comes from being able to establish a colony of myr on any plane over extended time periods. Without this, he is well, just a myr that gradually summons other myr. Samnel takes it.
>Acervus and Zulkaz
Acervus is intelligent and tactical and Zulkaz - well, for all his brute strength, there's nothing saying the Simic enhanced his intellect. He is still a primitive, brutish troll and he will likely get out-smarted in this battle. Acervus wins through finesse.
>Nishal and Vontrask
Nishal is built from the ground up to ruin anyone that does anything with artifacts. He has a natural advantage here and utterly wrecks Vontrask.

>>49135202
Lore regarding time travel and time magic is very complicated. However, it does have a lot of limits, and a free-wheeling time traveler pushes pretty hard against that.

Also, we've gone through 168 flakes by this point. If this is only the second time that I've done something that you or anyone else might disagree with, that's astounding.

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>>49135155

>>49135152
>Messenger vs Samnel
I'd say messenger has an edge if Sam fails to deliver a fatal blow fast enough. Messenger I feel has an astronomical advantage over anyone who can't one-shot it, but has equally big disadvantage against those that can. Kinda a "you win instantly or you have no hope of success" situation with that guy.

>Acervus vs Zulkaz
I'm kinda leaning to Zulkaz on this one, but it's certainly a fair fight. Between the two Zulkaz's power over bigger things gives it an edge, along with racial advantage, but Acervus's skill does almost trump that. Not enough, by my standards, but almost.

>Nishal vs Vontrask
Nishal for sure, no question. Cat superior.

>>49135344
How does it "push hard against that" when my flake falls within the guidelines of literally three separate story archs. Just because someone (who doesn't know the lore at all) says the flake should be disqualified, doesn't mean it should be. So, why are you disqualifying him? Because someone else talked you into it? Perhaps you should go by actual lore rather than what someone says which has no merit.

>>49135426
Unfortunately for Sam, he doesnt seem to have ways to one shot anything.

>>49135441
I poll the room because one person's perspective isn't perfect. I like to check to see what everyone thinks, what sources they know, etc. And I check as much as I can.

I saw a lot of people against, I saw some discussions of what does and doesn't work about time travel, and I saw a rather unusual amount of saying "it doesn't break canon" without being thorough in its defense. I even gave a lot of time to argue the points. Knowing what I know from the lore, I disagree with allowing a flake that is a living thing have so much ability to move through time.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine. If you can prove me totally wrong, that's fine. But I saw more evidence against than for and made the call. If you don't like it, that's unfortunate.

>>49135483
Yeah, I think Messenger's probably going to have to wait to face someone with a race advantage or someone with strong offensive magic/creature magic before it'll face a certain loss, giving a myr any time means that you're going to be dealing with many myr very quickly, if myr decks are any indication.

>>49135344
How did DIOMEDES do?

>>49135681
That guy fought Zix and won.

>>49135681
Removed of meme magic as he should have.

>>49135681
he survived, though it was a tough call, he was against a foe that used a lot of magic diomedes had no answer to. Diomedes had to reply on the fact that zix was so small and fragile to win.

Also, for anyone curious, 37 flakes were disqualified so far. It really starts to rack up, what with the joke flakes, unfinished flakes, and flakes that commit the same lore errors.

>>49135152
>Sam vs Messenger
I agree with this anon >>49135426 and this anon >>49135483. If Sam could quickly kill Messenger, he wins. But we know Messenger can summon copies of itself temporarily, and it can summon them pretty quickly. Messenger takes it.

>>49135760
joke tourney when

>>49135352
I know, right? It's perfect.

>>49135947
We already know how it ends.

>Razorcock and Rock show everyone to a good time.

>>49136007
But there can only be one winner

>ROCK AND COCK REALIZE FRIENDSHIP IS MORE IMPORTANT

>>49135946
even if they weren't copies, just normal myr, giving a myr too much time is a terrible choice. You need to quell the foe quick when it comes to myr. Myr magic alone has a lot of infinite combos too, which while does not reflect lore well, does hold dire implications. Snuff the myr quick or face a tsunamim of metal.
That said, I think some of the more monstrous flakes, like the dragons or the giants, would be able to face a swarm negation failure and still come out on top, but it's still risky.
Time is the only thing a myr needs, don't give a myr time.

>>49135152
To be the opposite of everyone else, Sam also makes tokens, human tokens that get buffed by human matter stuff. So a lot of Myr may get made fast, but so do a lot of humans that are bigger than most of the myr.

>>49132336
>>49135152
Discussion is happening. Keep it rolling, and let's get some votes going.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11139424
http://www.strawpoll.me/11139426
http://www.strawpoll.me/11139427

Man, I really hope that those votes for the Messenger are because you think it would win a sudden encounter against its opponent, rather than because of meme-magic. That would be missing the point.

>>49136225
Also, there's a ton of votes on that one and not enough in the other places.

Vote on every fight, please.

>>49136225
I do, I think his victory is because of sam's inability to deal a quick enough lethal blow nor produce strong enough tokens fast enough to manage myr growth rates. Myr are not to be trifled with, and should never be given time.

>>49136225
Maybe people agree with anons above that this fight seems to be in his favor, its not like he is weak even if you take away the whole grey goo meme he had going on

Acervus sure is a pretty lady.

>>49135155
I love what's happening in this picture, but I hate how their faces are drawn.

>>49136225
Speaking as the creator of Samnel, I think Messenger would win. Although my knowledge of Messenger is limited.

>>49136108
TEN MINUTE CALL

WRAP UP YOUR VOTING

>>49136225
I do think that. Samnel isn't the best fighter, if his stories are any indication. But Messenger anon has described that his flake can effectively insta-summon a handful of myrs that last a certain amount of time.

>>49136366
I agree.

I've narrowed down the preferred spell list to 30. Help.

>>49136506
Narrow it further.

>>49136506
remove all that do pretty much the same thing, only take of those that fits best your character. you only need to toss 14

>>49136506
Wipe the redundant. You don't need 7 cards that are fire throwing. Reduce it to like 3.
For example.

>>49136506
Narrow more. I advice 9.

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>>49132336
>>49135152
>>49136108
The following flakes advance to the next round:

>The Messenger
>Acervus
>Nishal
>Ioneth

The next batch of flakes is as follows:

>Ireth
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUktJMk04bnVGRjQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Kixdle
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxQ1J0enlueFV1NGc?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Hasomaru
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxRjRSbS1tSDMtejQ?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>The Cathar
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxVWpfODRWMFBwSTA?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxVXlVOE00WmdyVkk/view?usp=sharing

>Vanya
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxWEFFT0s5c0hlQXM?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Remes
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxSkFUdVRuaUNLdk0?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxTFBiRHNhb29mTTA/view?usp=sharing

>Huija
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxN2pndDBSSEI4a1k?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

>Symon
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwl7IuoVRkFxajVTQ3d2VjAwTkU?tid=0Bwl7IuoVRkFxUDZRVGVfQ1BDbm8

DISCUSS!

>>49136548
>>49136540
>>49136536
>>49136527
I think the problem is that many of them are cantrips.

>>49136689
And that I have 3 different counterspells that are all important to the flavor.

>>49136650
I think Hasomaru is the only dubious one out of those.

>>49136650
>Ireth
I admit, I laughed at the mind mage in her backstory. And breaking her neck.

Kixdle also amuses me for being hyper-bitchy shortstack fapfuel.

>Cathar
Was also amusing due tohis pretty shitty luck.


But onto the disqualifications: None. As goofy as Hasomaru's color pie thing is, there's nothing lore breaking out of any of them.

>>49136650
Having seen no arguments for disqualifications, here are the match-ups:

>Vanya VS Ireth

>Symon VS The Cathar

>Kixdle VS Hasomaru

>Remes VS Huija

DISCUSS!

>>49136995
>Vanya and Ireth
Keep in mind that this is the lore we're discussing. Squirrels can just, well, be stepped on or swatted away. They're useless. Vanya wins by default.
>Symon and the Cathar
The Cathar butchers poor Symon.
>Kixdle and Hasomaru
The master of five colors of mana defeats the goblin queen without any goblins to back her up.
>Remes and Huija
The ugly, mutilated giant freak wins through natural advantages. Huija gets it.

>>49136995

>Vanya vs Ireth
I feel like squirrels aren't a very good matchup against a giant spider. Vanya's story suggests if they're fighting at all it'd be because Vanya was hired to take her out, which means she'd be trying to take Ireth by surprise or gave her poison. Either way, I don't see the elf princess winning.

>Symon Vs Cathar
Symon is smart and knows a lot about monsters, but the Cathar is ANGRY ANGRY ABOUT MONSTERS and good at killing things bigger than he is. Gonna give this to doomguy.

>Kixdle Vs Hasomaru
Anger seems to beat zen here again. Hasomaru is probably a bit more powerful but I feel like he'd let Kixdle build up until it was too late.

>Remes Vs Huija
Huija's strong, but I think he's overspecialized for shutting down and killing the undead and it's not particularly useful against an artificer like Remes. I think Remes takes this one.

>>49136995
Vanya is a drider with a huge natural advantage and has a decent spell selection. Vanya takes it.

The Cathar absolutely obliterates poor Symon. No contest.

Hasomaru the domain walker vs shortstack goblin queen? Again, no contest. Hasomaru takes it.

While more interesting, I remember Remes anon saying he wasn't much of a fighter. I gotta give it to the giant. He has natural advantage.

>>49137159
>Squirrels can just, well, be stepped on or swatted away. They're useless. Vanya wins by default.
But so can the spiders in spider tribal, plus Squirrels are bigger than spiders. Which means it's giant spider body vs Gruul training there.

Also Kixdle can still summon a horde of fake goblins. It's not as good as a horde of real goblins, but it could do. Meanwhile Hasomaru seems to lack any really biting spells.

>>49136650
>>49136995

POLLS!
http://www.strawpoll.me/11139798
http://www.strawpoll.me/11139799
http://www.strawpoll.me/11139800
http://www.strawpoll.me/11139801

These will be up for a few hours. I'll give a ten-minute call before I close it.

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>>49137241
I heard someone talking shit about spiders, and came as fast as I could.

>>49136995
>vanaya vs ireth
>HOT SPIDER ON SQUIRREL ACTION.
These two seem pretty evenly matched, so I may have to flip for this one.

>Symon vs Cathar
The cathar is far more combat focused. baloths or no, the Cathar's got skill and combat diversity, as well as offensive magic power on his side.

>Kix vs Has
Knowing goblin swarms, I'mma have to go with Kix

>rem vs Huge-a
torn, but I think huge has it

>>49137241

Squirrels are 1/1s. Spiders are 1/2s.

>>49137353
Her Obelisk and Banner she carries everywhere says her squirrels are 4/4s though.

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>>49137423
A counterpoint, if I may.

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>>49137423
You forgot the Caged Sun that she keeps in her pocket too.

>>49137423
if you support her, vote for her, she only has 1 and I know I already voted.

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>>49137457
That is a pretty fine counterpoint, I will admit. But I would like to bring this to your attention.

>>49137510
That's also a good point.

>>49137539
It's just funposting by the time I posted that, don't worry.

Ice Age anon, my vote literally just disappeared, what the fuck

How much magic can a planeswalker learn in, let's say, a decade, starting from nothing?

>>49137587
something weird's going on with the votes.

>>49137599
dependse on the kind of magic, but red magic is easiest because the more frustrated you get at not learning it, the more you learn it.

>>49137620
>dependse on the kind of magic, but red magic is easiest because the more frustrated you get at not learning it, the more you learn it.
White and blue. Illusions, counters, tapping/untapping, cantrips, hieromancy.