Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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>>48508755
Why is Khadgar so handsome?

>>48508900
because Medivh bungled the curse he was casting and aged him into a silver fox instead of dead

>>48508900
Knew it wasn't really Medivh because he didn't make him play a retarded chess game for ultimate power then cheat half way through.

>>48509652
a chess game that you can win by not moving anything and letting his pieces walk into you and die one at a time

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>inb4 Alexstrasza gets corrupted by the Old Gods
>inb4 they tell her "join us, and nobody has to die ever again"
>inb4 she falls for it and turns everyone she can into undying slaves to the Old Gods
>inb4 Yogg decides he's too God of Death for that and tells everyone if they kill her, he'll leave them alone
>inb4 Red and Blue team up again
>inb4 Kalec is the last ex-Aspect alive

>>48510419
>>inb4 Kalec is the last ex-Aspect alive
> People constantly check if he's still sane.

>>48510419
>god damn it you fucks, I'm the god of death, you're ruining my brand

>>48510458
>everyone forgets about Noz because he's already dead but never born or I don't know, time travel
>this is how Murozond happens

>>48510473
>Yogg-Saron, Hope's End
>everyone bets on him in cards games
>he's their only hope

>>48510419
Old God Civil War?

There's your new expansion.

>>48510670
>N'Zoth is the True Final Boss
>he's been waiting for the other two to weaken each other
>it's go time
>even the Naaru are getting involved
>this is the fight we've all been waiting for

If Azeroth had a titan form, what percentage of her would be tentacle-y old god goodness?

>>48510771
Shit, we're going to fight Azeroth as a raidboss in some future expansion, aren't we?

>>48510783
What better boss for World of Warcraft could there be than the world we've crafted through war herself?

I imagine half her mouth is a Yogg jaw, she has Several C'thun eyes, and where her heart should be is a sha-smoked hole.

>>48510783
>"You have spent decades fighting for the future of your world."
>"What hope do you have, now that the very world you fight for, your very home, turns against you?"
>"The Fallen Titan would have been more merciful. He would have given you a quick death."
>"Some were born here. You shall be again as one with your mother. Some were made here. You shall again be with your precious Titan. Some came here from afar. At long last, She will accept you as Her children."
>"Your souls shall awaken Her. Your eternal suffering shall sustain Her. And She will put an end to the Light."

>"Come, then, children of Azeroth. Face the very world you hold so dear. It will all be over soon."

>>48510851
I'll take 3

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>>48510419
>"Why are you fighting me?"
>"I'm doing this for you."
>"I love you."
>"It won't hurt, I promise."
>"Please stop fighting me."
>"Why do you prolong your suffering?"
>"I won't lose any more of my children!"
>"See, isn't that better? No more pain, no more hatred, no more mindless death."
>"I... love you all... so much."
>"What... have you done? I only wanted... to save you."

>>48510993
>this is what happens when you try to solve everything with violence!

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>>48510993
Too real.

>>48510670
Aren't the old gods supposed to be enemies anyway? Like, i remember it being mentioned somewhere that they spend most of their time ruling azeroth fighting with each other.

>>48510783
>Spend literally decades trying to protect Azeroth from complete destruction.

>Azeroth tries to kill you regardless.

Ungrateful bastard.

>>48510419
Not a bad idea. Altough i imagine the massive outrage of people that don't want to kill their waifu probally means it's never going to happen.

>>48510993
I dearly hope that there's a special place in hell waiting for you, anon.

>>48510619

Does not hope end when it is fulfilled?

>>48513059
We may never know, anon. I intend to post forever.

When do you guys start discussing roleplaying games.

You guys never seem to actually discuss using any of this stuff for roleplaying games.

>>48513232
When there are groups that actually play the Warcraft RPG.

>>48513232
Is there something you'd like to know about the RPG's otherwise it is like Discworld, lore is just as /tg/ as the rpg's.

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>Med'an

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>48510419
Where'd Nozdormu go? I know Ysera will be raid bait.

>>48513727
He's gone to the Sands of Irrelevancy.

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>>48510993
>the satisfaction of drinking everyone's tears - hers included - because you're a damn dirty forsaken bastard who really only gives a shit about power, being comically mean, the safety of lordaeron and the banshee queen
stay mad living shitstains

>>48513814
>be undead
>slowly rot away and lose mind
>go to warcraft hell when you eventually die

What is there for us to be mad about?

>>48513232
there are multiple people who frequent these threads that are either planning or playing a Warcraft game, and others who have mechanical questions about porting it to other systems, but most people would rather bullshit about how their favourite villain of the week did nothing wrong

btw Lei Shen did nothing wrong

>>48513667
delete this, Med'an isn't real

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>>48510993
>"Sure, just stand still for a sec"

>Azeroth is a Titan

Don't get it.

>>48514165
She's been DWARFED too.

>>48514165
It lives within the world and everything has sort of built around and on top of it, like Shen Sihn Zu from Pandaria.

>>48514202
Thought it was more that Titans are literally humanoid planets, with continents on their bodies and stuff, so when Azeroth the Titan is born, the planet will sort of morph into a giant humanoid form (rather than, say, exploding as the Titan bursts from its core).

>>48514242
I honestly wasn't sure, the only artwork of Titans that I'm aware of comes from Chronicles and that only shows celestial faces or Sargeras hitting a planet with a sword, and none of them seemed to be vaguely....life supporting? Maybe it's not really meant to be categorised, since Chronicles also has the Titans walking the surfaces of worlds.

>>48513080
There's always the possibility that you could get a better combination of cards next time you play him...

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>>48513986
Mankirk did nothing wrong.

>>48514283
The original Titans were definitely described as less than planet-sized, at least in the wc3 manual. However in Chronicles (see pic related) Sargeras is as big as a titan so I think now yeah, titans are supposed to be literally planet sized.

If you wanted to try to fit both together without retconning, it could be explained by the avatar. After all, Sargeras originally came to Azeroth via an avatar or at least was planning to iirc. Otherwise his eye would be the size of a continent instead of something Illidan could hold in his hand.

They may change that in the future, but basically both old and new versions of the titans are still compatible. Also Sargeras didn't use his half-a-planet-sized sword to destroy Azeroth because..I dunno, someone help me out on this one?

>>48514761
I'm gonna try to answer my own question. Sargeras had to be summoned. Therefore he either can't get to Azeroth without using a portal or it's too hard otherwise. When we consider that actual ~spaceships~ are a thing, it must be possible to physically travel through space. No idea if physical space is the same thing as the Twisting Nether.

Therefore the only conclusion I can reach is that Sargeras is just reaaally far away. Makes sense - the universe is a big place, and he probably isn't too fast. Not being able to enter Azeroth is another possibility; maybe the strong world soul of Elune protects the world from Sargeras somehow. Maybe all the shit the other titans got up to on Azeroth gave it defences against incursions. I don't think it makes as much sense as Sargeras just being really far away though.

>>48513986
Maybe you should discuss that in /vg/ then.

>>48514821
>maybe the strong world soul of Elune protects the world from Sargeras somehow.

Annnnnd stopped there. Please include stuff like that towards the beginning.

New expansion: South Seas.
As Kul Tiras joins the Alliance, the Kezan volcano goes dormant, allowing the Bilgewater Cartel to resettle New New Bilgewater Port, inviting both factions into the region, with several more or less uncharted isles free from the grasp of the Horde and the Alliance, untill now. The big bad however are the Naga who have been raiding the coastlines of all the continents lately, and have an especially strong presence in the region.
>Plunder Isle
>Ruins of Zandalar
>Tel'Abim
>Ny'alotha
>Kezan/Undermine
>Kul Tiras isle
>Naz'jatar

>>48514903
Murlocs join the alliance, their city is the alliance fortress while bilgewater kezan remanants is the horde one

Maybe nagas that can transform into nelves? Like the worgen/human thing

Is there a reason in Lore why the horde and the alliance should still exist after Warcraft 3?

>>48515267
No. They exist because Mmorpg "needs"

>>48514857
Sorry, is that controversial? I thought it was pretty well accepted here that the world soul (aka unborn titan) is Elune? Of course it might not be called that but it's the same being the Nelves worship.

>>48515297
There are Mmorp without Rod vs Blue

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>>48514903
It could have been, but the moment is passed. Pandaria, and now Legion are also doing the whole "unexplored islands" thing, including Naga being some of the big bad in Legion. Both thematically and geographically it doesn't work as an expansion, unless you rolled back to Wrath. RIP Kul Tiras, we hardly knew ye.

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>>48515618
Why is she dropping her cup?

>>48515618
"Dare you enter my magical realm?"

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>>48515720
Typical Highborne decadence.

>>48515955
uhh dude thats a 2hu not a highbourne........

>>48516009
Uh oh, I've used an image not pertaining to the content of the thread. That's just not on. What kind of monster would do something so terrible? Better abandon thread.

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>>48516009
really makes you think.............

>>48515575
Yes, but those aren't called World of Warcraft. Blizzard's PvP model was built on 2 hostile factions, half of WoW's story was based on that, and now it's too late to change things... the only way we could get rid of that nonsens would be WoW 2, ideally preceeded by Warcraft 4. But as long as there are people willing to pay the price of stand-alone game for an expansion AND monthly 15 subscription fee, Blizard has no reason to start a project that would be costlier than just another expansion to existing game, and with less certain profit.

Blizzard doesn't care about lore, only about getting the most money from their cashcow

>>48514242
Only it will be a dangerous hybrid of titan and old god, and the most powerful thing ever made.

>>48516184
>the strongest titan ever, plus Sha powers, eye beams, the ability to make people go insane, and dragging the most powerful warriors in the universe in tow like a doting mother
Azeroth is some scary shit

>>48516102
>But as long as there are people willing to pay the price of stand-alone game for an expansion AND monthly 15 subscription fee, Blizard has no reason to start a project that would be costlier than just another expansion to existing game, and with less certain profit.

Too bad it loses subscribers faster and faster.

>>48513192
No poster live forever my son.

>>48516854
>Missing the reference that badly

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>>48516049
WORGEN PARENTS DON'T MAKE WORGEN KIDS

>>48517157
Can humans and elves make children?

Also most people assume that the elves come from the trolls, but in Ulduar you can see images of night elves, trolls and tauren. So they maybe their own separated race?

Titan creations can inter breed? What about with the others?

Supposedly orcs and ogres are like the humans and vrykuls of Draenor, that supposing the apexis crystal are titan made and all... Why can they breed with draenei?

>>48517522
I know there's a human-elf kid in legion.

I guess the titans never thought to not let them do that.

>>48517575
It isnt a night elf, r-right?

>>48517522
Yes both night elves and high elves can breed with humans

So can orcs, weirdly enough, but I think human/orc hybrids are sterile

>>48517598
Didn't look like one.

It was a Windrunner.

>>48517598
it's Turyalon and Alleria's kid

At least one of the only good things of wow being rated 12 is that we dont have to deal with shit interracial couples having kids

I miss the old nelves more evryday

>>48517703
DOn't you remember that scenario in MoP, though? WIth Tyrande? Yeah, see, Elves are still like they always have been :^)

>>48517703
vereesa has kids

>>48517784
>VARYAN THEY ARE CALLING US COWARDS LET ME MELEE RUSH THAT TEMPLE WITH MY ARCHERS REEEEEE

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King Varian Wrynn says: Jaina! What's happening in Dalaran? Has there been an attack?
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: The Kirin Tor was betrayed from within. I've handled the situation.
King Varian Wrynn says: How?
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: I've purged the Horde from Dalaran. You have what you wanted, Your Majesty: The Kirin Tor belongs to the Alliance.
King Varian Wrynn says: But you said-
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: I know what I said. My trust was misplaced.
King Varian Wrynn says: What of the Sin'dorei - the Sunreavers?
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Those that surrendered are being taken to the Violet Hold. I make no guarantees about those who chose to fight.
King Varian Wrynn says: Jaina, you need to talk to me before you act-
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: How I run the Kirin Tor is my business.
King Varian Wrynn says: I was trying to negotiate with the Sin'dorei. I was opening discussions to bring them into the Alliance! By attacking their people, you've forced their hand-
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: They chose their own path.
King Varian Wrynn says: You've driven them back to the Horde.
King Varian Wrynn says: Jaina. We've got to work together on this. The Alliance must act as one.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Don't get soft on me, Varian.

>>48517949
Dalaran was a mistake

>>48517949
Varian was a mistake

>>48517934
Tyrande has always been a terrible, terrible military leader who only got her position due to being a crack shot and in the pants of the stupidly overpowered druid

This was true in WC3, has been true throughout all of WoW, and is true now

>>48517949
>Let's have Jaina do something nasty, have her forcibly take control of a neutral state by purging one of the most peaceful Horde factions lead by an elf who really really loves the Kirin Tor

>Great idea! But we'll make the sunreavers all vile betrayers to the kirin tor so she can still be right. Can't have the Horde look like they might be something more than generic villains now can we?

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>>48517649
>>48517927

>yfw one of those dirty mixed kids blades Quel'Delar

>>48517522
No one in Azeroth has sex. Little orcs and elves are delivered by stork.

>>48518049
>implying Dalaran is by law part of the Alliance
>implying the Horde isnt bad

>>48518102
The Horde IS bad

What I'm saying is that the Horde being "bad" is boring, and that it SHOULDN'T be bad

>>48518118
Neutral dalaran was a mistake

Red vs blue destroyed every hope of the history being good.

Thry try to make the Horde the edgy ones that have to fight for their place, but in cold this just look like their are assholes fucking with the people that lived alredy there.

Trying to balance the red vs blue specially when the alliance could have destroyed the horde in vanilla (both teams shouldnt have existed anyway) just keeps making the lore worse and worse

>>48518168
I think it was done well in Vanilla, when it was a cold war which neither side wanted to see go hot.

It certainly explained why the Horde could exist, because if the war did go hot they'd be destroyed.

>>48518250
I thin asspulled Stormwind could defeat all of the orc, troll and tauren forces together alone

>>48518297
I wouldn't say Stormwind could, but Ironforge might be able to do so

Not that they would, they're on the other side of the world and, honestly, not that big a threat. Especially since they'd damn well know that they could be destroyed so easily

>>48518331
Why not retake Lordaeron? I mean they are literally evil zombies there while the quel'dorei are suffering

If they are backed by orcs and trolls you cane easily wipe, Ironforge and Stormwind being untouched by the events in w3...

???

>>48518422
Because it would cost thousands of lives fighting against an army that would never give up or surrender. The cost is far, far greater than the gain

Not that former Lordaeron residents would ever shut up about it. I seem to recall some minor dialogue about that in Vanilla WoW.

>>48518297
No. Stormwind was a barley functional mess in Vanilia. In Bc and Wrath they had other things to worry about. And around cata the horde suddenly pulled enough troops out of its ass to stand on equal footing with the alliance.

>>48518331
Why do people always think Ironforge is so powerful? The horde pretty much walked over the place during the second war. Just because they largely avoided the horror of the third war doesn't suddenly make them the most powerful kingdom in the world.

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>>48518422
Because the entire kingdom is a rotten husk of what it used to be. There's no point in risking thousands of Alliance soldiers over soil that might never grow crops again, especially when the free undead there are acting as a buffer zone between you and the Scourge proper.

>>48518168
>Neutral dalaran was a mistake
Dalaran being anything was a mistake. Seriously, people accuse stormwind of being a asspull. And yet nobody seems to care that logically Dalaran should be a undead inhabited ruin after warcraft 3.

>>48518760
Because Ironforge never fell

Granted, neither did Kul Tiras or Gilneas. But they weren't around in vanilla WoW.

Since it never fell, that means everything it has in intact and working at full capacity. Which means superior production, superior training and superior numbers compared to everybody else

>>48518918
I get that. But my point is that it was never that strong to begin with. There's a reason why in Warcraft 2 and 3 dwarfs only have auxiliary roles.

>>48518952
Doesn't matter, because it's as strong if not stronger now than it was then, while everybody else is significantly weaker

>>48518855
Eh. A wizard did it.
Or rather a bunch of wizards did it.

>>48518965
Ironforge never fell. But the rest of the kingdom was pretty much razed to the ground. And they did suffer quite a few loses during the third war.

And besides that, it does matter. To use a real life example. France was conquered by Germany during World war 2. Ireland was not. And yet i doubt anybody is going to claim Ireland has a stronger military than France.

>>48518855
They were already taking Dalaran back in TFT's blood elf campaign. And it was secure enough to where they locked up Kael's forces in there, and Garithos eventually fucked off to Lordaeron proper to get wind up as Detheroc's mindslave.

>>48519160
>They were already taking Dalaran back in TFT's blood elf campaign.
after Archimonde turned the entire thing into dust...

>>48519177
That was such a great cinematic. The direction for all of the WC3 cinematics was great, actually, they get a lot of mileage out of implying more than they show.

>>48518918

Ironforge never fell, but during the Second War pretty much everything else in Khaz Modan did. Ironforge was where all the dwarves went to hide after all their other holds got BTFO.

>>48519241
I watched some of the stuff on the making of those cinematics. They talked about being really inspired by Alfred Hitchcock. Hitchcock worked during a time of extreme censorship in movies, so he had to develop ways to show that something terrible was going on, but not actually show the terrible thing that was going on.

>>48519298
this pretty much. The reason Grim Batol fell so easily to the Twilight's Hammer was because the things the Horde did there were so terrible that it's citizens just straight refused to go home after the war

>>48519149
That argument holds less water than you think.

The nations that fell in the earlier wars tended to fall really hard. Stormwind was razed entirely to the ground "not even foundations were left" was used to describe it. Not to mention the utter devastation to the population.

Alterac was annihilated as a nation and left to the ogres and orcs. Lordaeron was rendered an unlivable wasteland. Silvermoon was gutted and it's source of power destroyed. Dalaran was razed by the undead first, then razed again by Archimonde for good measure.

As for the left over nations. Gilneas cut itself off from the rest of the world. Stromgarde had the best chance of retaining power, but fell to the syndicate who had allied with ogres, which must be mighty embarrassing for Stromgarde, and the writers completely forgot about Kul Tiras.

So yeah, France is stronger than Ireland, but Paris wasn't destroyed to the last building while the Germans hunted survivors across the countryside to sacrifice them to demons

>>48519368
What did they even do?
Except have Alex in a magical realmy state of broodmother

>>48519400
>Dalaran was razed by the undead first, then razed again by Archimonde for good measure.
after being razed by the orcs twice and both times Blizzard went "nuh, uh doesn't count" and the destruction got retconned

Dalaran's plot armor would embarrass Sylvanas

>>48519160
I still think its silly that after the city was by all accounts completely destroyed there were still enough wizards left to not only retake and hold it's ruins, but also to create a massive magic dome, rebuild the place within a few years, and then send the whole city flying.

If you're going to use "A wizard did it" then i would like to point out that Stormwind also has wizards that probally did it.

>>48519455
>Dalaran keeps playing the Ice Block Secret
>everyone keeps falling for it

>>48519479
Wizards didn't retake the ruins, elves and naga did, then left it to the wizards

They then had 5 years to make a big magic dome. That all makes sense

Having the entire place rebuilt in four years following that does not

>>48519400
>Dalaran was razed by the undead first, then razed again by Archimonde for good measure.
The undead didn't raze Dalaran. Just stormed in and killed Antonidas, who was powering the magical barrier around the city that was protecting it from Archimonde.
Once he was dead, Arthas and his Scourge left the city to that Archimonde could actually destroy it.
>>48519455
The Orcs never sacked Dalaran.

>>48519485
>OTK Worgen vs. double Ice Block

>>48519513
>The Orcs never sacked Dalaran.
they did in Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal, then the novelization of BtDP retconned the second and pretended the first never happened

>>48519534
them attacking and destroying it is a gameplay limitation. The game was always clear that it was a smash and grab to find the tome of medivh.

Or are you those guys who think that archimonde was defeated by gobbo mines.

>>48519534
That Horde never got close to it in Tides of Darkness.
The Kirin Tor just stepped up in aid of the alliance because the Horde was threatening their neighbors.
Also, what >>48519580 said.

>>48518768
the land is being healed by the druids and the argent crusade and people are farming the wpl.
Then sylvie blights everything.

>>48519580
>>48519611
go away Rhonin, your shit got BTFO

>>48519508
I still think its odd neither the forsaken or the scourge tried to take over the ruins. Especially considering the sheer amount of magical secrets Dalaran probally possesses.

>>48519674
anyone have that knaak pic?

Male nagas has 2 penises like sharks or a single one?

>>48519814
I would assume none. They use spawning pools, so I imagine the females lay their eggs and then the males fertilize them outside of the female's body.

>>48519814
Maybe two, but more like snakes.

>>48519751
Well at the time of vanilla wow the scourge and scarlet crusade were a major threat to the forsaken in the plaugelands and the alliance were right next door at southshore. So I'm sure that the forsaken were too preoccupied to do anything about the ruins outside of the magical dome.

>>48519836
Why do female have boobs then?

>>48519844
Poison sacks.

Or vestigial remnants of their mammalian origin.

What happened to the army of Arthas in Northrend? After he killed Mal'Ganis.

>>48519896
he killed them and raised their corpses to attack Lordaeron, their spirits are still in the Dragonblight

>>48519400
I get what you mean. But think of it like this: Imagine if Germany had completely razed France. And a decent portion of the population flees to Great Britain. Later, after the war is over those refugees get all of France's territory back. Then they spend almost 21 years rebuilding the place without getting involved in any conflicts. Who do you think is stronger then, Ireland or France?

Btw, is anybody kind of shocked at how much Stromgarde got shafted after Warcraft 2? They do fuck all in Warcraft 3. And are then practically destroyed off screen not by the scourge, but by fucking bandits and ogre's. So much for the birthplace of humanity.

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>>48519896
https://wow.gamepedia.com/1st_Legion
this should answer all your questions

When night elves where immortal, how did they children age? (And how they age now)

Did they develop normally untill certain age when they stacked?

Because a lot of people defended the "they stay like 100 years being a baby and more being a kid etc" and i find this retarded, because despite the fact they are immortal, most of their environment is not.

>>48519916
stromgarde brigade got BTFO by grom.
Its even weirder because the arathi basin would be secure as fuck with only a few witherbark trolls as opposition.

>>48519916
Hmm, you're probably right
]
Ironforge wouldn't greatly overpower Stormwind. they'd be very close in terms of combat capability

>>48519838
The remaining Kirin tor should have never gotten a chance to place the barrier in the first place. Since i'm going to assume a spell like that takes time and requires a lot of mages. Sylvanas should have just taken the place over as soon she was done securing her hold on the capital. Since i doubt Southshore was in any position to stop her.

>>48518422
>Trolls
>easily wipe
Humans, dorfs and elves try that for centuries now...

>>48520062
You forget, Sylvanas never gave a shit about conquering foreign lands until Cataclysm fucked over her characterization

Controlling a great big hole in the ground wouldn't get her any closer to revenge on the lich king would it?

>>48519838
>>48520062
remember that the Dalaran warden in charge of Lordamere Internment Camp didn't even knew the forsaken were independant undeads when WoW began

The forsaken were way more isolated

>>48520122
Well. it wasn't a big hole in the ground then. But a ruin filled with magical secrets that could be used to get revenge on the Lich king.

You know, this does kind of raise a intrestring point regarding Sylvanas earlier characterization. What the fuck were they supposed to do with her character after wrath? She pretty much got everything she wanted in that expansion. I suppose they could have made that the point instead of just having her go full evil overlord.

>>48520096
We all know that when the Warcraft universe is finnaly destroyed by entropy /void/wow losing more subs the last sound to ever be made will be:

"THIZ IS TROLL LAND NOW, MON!"

>>48520205
She should have become almost a non-entity, retreating into herself in the deepest recesses of the Undercity, both due to her own personal failures regarding Putress and Varimathras, and the fact that her revenge has been sated, and there's no further goals for her.

No quests involving her, no storylines about her except for the other members of the Horde wondering whether or not she's dead or something due to her lack of communication

>>48517522
The wow magazine confirmed that elves evolved from trolls so elves are magically infused trolls

>>48520249
This is correct.

Trolls are just Orks lite.

>>48520256
I feel that would have been kind of boring. A character arc about her finding a new purpose in life would have been much better. Could have been a great overarching story line for new world forsaken/lordaeron zones. And if they wanted to, they could still have it end with her going full evil overlord.

>>48520256
Putress and Varimathras rebellion was a mistake. The forsaken moment of glory should have been WotLK, instead their whole revenge plotline got hijacked by the Ebon blade. They should have been at the forefront against the scourge resurrecting everyone they could to prevent the scourge to get their hands on them.
Sylvanas play a decisive part in her revenge, get what she want and get completely emptied by it.
THEN do the Putress and Varimathras rebellion, using the absence of Sylvanas. You could even have Varimathras regency period full of shady shit. Then Sylvanas can return triumphantly as the true queen.

>>48519455
>>48519513
In Tides of Darkness the human ending was canon and the hybridization of the two campaigns in the Novel merely clarified what victories the Orcs DID manage to win, which didn't include Dalaran.
>>48519580
Yeah, the BtDP mission would probably have been better as a dungeon-style mission.

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>>48519875
>former elves
>mammalian

>>48521011
Are you implying elves aren't mammals?

>>48521371
Well, are they?

Although they seem to have intra-uterine development, I didn't find, to this day, any information of mammary glands on a female elf.
My point came from fact that elves are, usually at least, alien to humans.

>>48520622
BC and WotLK were mistakes when it came to story development and lore. Both expansions turned decent/good characters into wrecks of cartoon villiany and deus-ex bullshit.

>>48521600
and the best parts of both were bullshit someone pulled out of their ass when Metzen told them we had to do something other than fight orcs/skeletons

>>48510783
>raidboss
More like the last RAID.

>>48521600
I thought the lore only started going downhill after Cata.

>>48521828
Cata was jumping over the shark

>>48521828
BC and Wrath ruined every character whose story was left with loose ends in WC3, then Cata ruined the lore in general

>>48521905
Eh, Wrath Arthas wasn't THAT bad, a few too many speeches and not enough snark, but really not so bad over all.

Illidan and Kael did get really fucked over though.

>>48522110
>Eh, Wrath Arthas wasn't THAT bad,
his master plan was to pretend to be retarded so 10 to 25 people would come kill him and get raised as death knights

>>48522110
Kael 'Not Dead If the Plot Needs Me' Thalas

>>48522190
And? He wanted generals that could keep the scourge in line so he could conquer the rest of the world mostly intact.

>>48515267
The Scourge?

Would anyone happen to have a torrent or download of Chronicle by chance? Been looking high and low and can't find anything.

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I need maps. Maps of Azeroth.
The more detailed the better.

>>48523135
>>48523109
https://maps.marlam.in/

Closest we have to an accurate world map without names.

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>>48523109

>>48523151
the mantid warpaths in Pandaria are cool from space

>>48520249
Again it is confirmed that Trolls are the best thing in Warcraft.

>>48518049
>>Great idea! But we'll make the sunreavers all vile betrayers to the kirin tor so she can still be right. Can't have the Horde look like they might be something more than generic villains now can we?
Wasn't it later revealed that exactly one Sunreaver was involved?

>>48525106
>lets mages under his leadership betray the Kirin Tor TWICE, WHILE HE'S WATCHING
>lies to his own lord so he won't be held responsible

Aethas did everything wrong.

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>>48522296
It's dumb because he's sacrificing so much of his army just for those 25 guys. No matter how good they are it's doubtful they're worth his entire fucking army. There's a finite amount of corpses, powerful ones especially.

Let's face it, the 'actually I was just pretending to be retarded, btw I have a way stronger army hidden up my ass' was just a cheap twist to make the LK seem more powerful and give more meaning to the fight.

Twists are only good if they're well thought out. This one was not. Like bad twists often do, it destroys a lot of the prior tension and storyline buildup.

>>48525812
Is it possible it was just his final gambit after being driven into a corner?

"Well fuck, they cleared out naxxramas, started partying on my doorstep in icecrown, and killed all my greatest warriors in ICC, last hope is to kill them all and raise them"

>>48525812
Is that half-demon Tyrande, or just R63 Illidan?
Same question of if that's just R63 Arthas or Lich Queen Jaina.

>>48526146
it was his plan all along, that's why he consistently doesn't kill you every time you meet him and in some cases helps you

>>48526257
Its art of Rule 63 Illidan and Arthas.

Or you could just say its an alternate universe in which it's Tyrande the Betrayer and Lich Queen Jaina

>>48526690
fuck I guess that would make sense

why couldn't he just raise when you he drops on you 1v1 then

>>48527013
Because Blizzard thought fighting Arthas at endgame would be cool. The same with Deathwing and Illidan.

Sometimes I wish that they made a WC4 instead. With the amount of old characters that we've blazed through the past decade-and-a-half it's no surprise that the Burning Legion is being thrown at us again

>>48527013
because he wanted you to be the strongest you could possibly be, so he let you get all the way through Northrend to ICC instead of dropping you the second you kill King Ymiron's wife/Prince Taladrim/Drakuru

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>>48526966
Fem!Illidan is my waifu. I am not prepared.

>>48527013
Because he wanted Northrend to be your Rocky Montage so you're at your best when he raises you.

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>When I was younger, I used to feel apart from my kin. I travelled far and wide, looking for wisdom, feeling connection with all the souls I was charged with protecting. In my travels I met a strong and noble people. Among them, a female, who accepted me for who I was, who loved me. It was not a life I was fated to have but it taught me something. If love is what you need, you must be willing to travel to the ends of the world to find it.

What did he mean by this?

>>48530626
Either he's garona's dad in that universe or if you focus on the "Souls I was charged with protecting" meaning Azeroth he fucked a Nightelf or Tauren.

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New to this General. Is it acceptable to post about wc3 campaign missions in these threads? I've been replaying the games at work to try and get hyped for Legion and I've had some crazy stacked heroes since I've been looking up what items I can get from a mission before completing them.

spell immune tyrande just made the last mission too easy even on hard...

>>48530782
We're mostly about setting stuff and adopting mechanics to carious PnP systems.

>>48530626
If they do >>48530697 that means they've finally erased Medahn which would be the best thing in the world.
He originally had a Night Elf model though, and I think they'll have him in love with an Elf so that they can better tie into the movie.

>>48530894
Blizzard has been trying hard to ignore Me'dan for ages. Which is good.

>>48530894
No interracial couples with night elves pls

>>48530782
It's not unacceptable as long as you don't dwell on it too long.

>>48525812
The entire twist was build upon a obvious contradiction. The Lich king apparently needs 25/10 really good generals before he can conquer Azeroth. But his entire plan to get those generals relies on him being strong enough to just kill a entire raid party with the same effort it takes to swath a fly.

>>48519368
I thought it was more because Grim Batol was abandoned because it was cursed and haunted after the War of Three Hammers. Dragonmaw orcs just moved into an empty fortress.

>>48531823

He was just PRETENDING to be retarded is my favorite meme.

also Tyrion was a noob that didn't have a hotkey for DS or a PvP Trinket.

>>48532288
He used Every Man for Himself too early by mistake, and then it took the whole fight for the cooldown to run out.

And killing Arthas was PvE, why would he bring PvP trinket for that? He needed something for better damage.

Arthas should've paid more attention to his equipment, though... if Frostmourne's durability didn't hit zero, he could've won, too bad his abilities required an equiped weapon.

Of course, there's stll a matter of a paladin using Disarm...

>>48530697
>you must be willing to travel to the ends of the world to find it

Pretty sure he was trying to say he fucked a Pandaren.

>>48532583
he fucked the last female mogu to death and that's why Lei Shen is so mad 30 years later

>>48530894
Who is Medahn?

>>48532611
The worst mistake ever made

Son of Medivh and Garrona. Half-human, quarter orc, quarter draenei. Abilities of shaman, mage and paladin. Guardian of Tirisfal.

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>>48530626
>>48530894
>>48530697
Medivh is litterally Garona's dad in the movie continuity, the movie just didn't had the time to dwell too much on it

In the official novelization it's said clearly

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>>48532873
>Medivh is litterally Garona's dad

>>48532873
>Medivh fucks some random draenei and becomes Garona's dad
>he then fucks her to make Med'an
the absolute mad man

>Medivh is Garona's father

>Medivh is the father of Garona's child

Why can't we have both? This is Blizzard writing we are talking about.

>>48533012
more like madivh

blizz lore can get pretty fucking dumb

>>48533012

Actually he would need to have fucked a half Draenei half Orcish woman who was a rapebaby for this to happen.

>>48526966
Hell I'd like to see how the story goes with the inclusion of Tyrande the Betrayer and Lich Queen Jaina, from WC3 and WoW

>>48532873
I dont really think so.

It seemed moremlike khadgar will take the role of medivh in loving garona

>>48533609
>Khadgar mentions something to Garona about orcs mating
>"you would be injured"
Paula Patton was a lot better than I expected

>>48533679
>>48533609
Fucking an orc is like fighting an Ettin, except this time your erection has a purpose.

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>>48516854
But shitposts shall live forever.

>>48533679
IMO Garona was one of the best things about the movie... it definitely felt like the director/writer wanted to focus on the lothar/khadgar/garona interactions which were pretty good but had to fit the wc1 story in

>>48521584
>I didn't find, to this day, any information of mammary glands on a female elf.
What imageboards have you been visiting?

>>48533862
the orcs in general were the best part. Garona, Gul'dan, Durotan and Blackhand were all cool as fuck, as were Khadgar and Medivh

>>48533012
In the movie it's clearly started that Garona's mother was an orc.

>>48535235
>implying Garona's parentage will ever stay canon for more than 4 years

>>48535349
As long as Medan stays the fuck out of canon, I don't give a fuck what they do with Garona's parents.

>>48535358
by the time Med'an has finally been forgotten about, I'm sure Garona will be half-arakkoa or half-ogre

>>48535411
Fine by me.

>>48530626
>>48532873
I preferred it when Medivh was Garona's father in the standard canon, instead of being lovers.

>>48535358
I'm not saying i like Medan. Frankly, i know nothing about him. But why do so many people threat him like he shot their dog dead?

>>48536056
Because he's a half draenei, half orc, half human magepaladinshaman.

>>48536056
He was the Mary Sue of Mary Sues.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Med'an

>>48536056
his backstory and actions read like someone's terrible DeviantArt OC

>he's a half-draenei/half-orc/half-human borne of the secret love between the world's greatest mage and the world's greatest assassin. Because of his heritage he can be a mage, shaman and paladin all a the same time, he hangs out with the king of Stormwind, his sexy elf assassin friend, and his cool pet bear, then kills Cho'gall with the power of friendship

>>48536200
To be fair. The last part didn't exactly last.

>>48536534
thankfully. Cho'gall is too cool to bring back and then kill off in a comic no one read

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>>48536142
> linking wowwiki instead of glorious wowpedia

>>48537050
Yep. Instead he gets brought back for a expansion almost nobody liked and then dies.

>>48537119
I hate to agree with a Li Li poster, but this, WoWwiki hasn't been good since BC

>>48532244
Correct. Legion even expands on the curse by relating it to Shadow Priest artifact.

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>tfw there just simply isnt a battlecry as satisfying as a good "FOR KHAZ MODAN!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2VR62_GuU

>>48538073
rip in peace Avatar ministuns. You were taken too soon

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So just how edgy is Illidan going to be in this expansion?

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>>48538646
these edits will never fail to make me laugh

>>48538646
>>48538775
It's going to be difficult to make a demon hunter without binding all of my skills to /yell 's of Illidan's lines in HotS
>FEEL THE HATRED OF TEN THOUSAND YEARS

>>48538820
>not macroing your rotation to /yell u r not prepared over and over again so your guild member will think you're cool and give you ever boss drop.

>>48538853
not
>/y I ALONE MUST ACT
>taunt the boss and instantly die because I'm in havoc
>/y I CANNOT DO THIS ALONE

>>48533012
Incest children are always fucked up.

>>48538923
>get mind controlled
>start hitting your raid
/y I SHOULD HAVE SLAUGHTERED YOU AND YOUR MALFORMED BRETHREN LONG AGO

>go into BT as a demon hunter
>the bosses thank you for your service and give you free loot

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>>48531650
>B-B-But my purple muscled waifu...

>>48539141
>yfw Falstad isn't dead

>>48538646
Reaper levels. Complete with a death blossom esque attack.

"I'm not a sociopath. I'm a night elf sociopath."

>>48539141

As aspergers ridden as this guy was, I love what a douchebag piece of shit he made metzen look like sitting there in his faggot bono-sunglasses.

>>48538646
>tfw I reserved a cancerous name for my demon hunter

This expansion is gonna be a shitshow of hilarity.

>>48539692
t. Alex "the Legion exists in all timelines" Afrasiabi

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>>48539723
>mfw so have I
Pompadour hair in WoW, when?

I'm trying to imagine what hero i'd be in wc3

lvl 3 Paladin
>lvl 2 devo aura
>lvl 1 farsight

im a safety supervisor at a manufacturing plant irl. have devo since it's my job to protect/reduce harm to employees, have farsight because i have access to the CCTV system

>>48539692
What did this guy do?

>>48540234
blow Metzen and Afrasiabi the fuck out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnGjyPYxjM

>>48540234
>>48540265
I love that he, Jesse Cox, and Nobbel constantly correct or point out shit that needs to be fixed and even give them ways to fix it but Metzen just sits there on coke writing about green jesus.

>>48539878
What did you save yours as? I went for Ayyllidan.

>>48540265
>>48540298
That's great, what a guy.

>>48540493
I've got HankHillidan and Illidandy reserved.

>>48540265
>tfw people made fun of the guy because of how awkward he looked and sounded

>>48540526
>HankHillidan

I'm stealing that from ya. It's so bad it almost made me have a stroke.

>>48538646
Being on an RP server, this is what half of them are gonna be like.

>>48541140
How do you RP a demon hunter without it being >>48538646 #101234

Because it seems like your doomed to edgelord territory.

>>48541228
you become one with the edge

>>48541228
I always think of the demon hunter from the blasted lands quest, although you don't spend a lot of time with him

he's willing to sacrifice his soul entangled in a fight with a powerful demon forever to save the blasted lands from his invasion

so they can be selfless, not just edgy greedy antiheroes like illidan

>>48541228
ever see that comic about people doing DKs and inscription at the same time? Kind of like that. Play it as mild mannered as possible. Or just say "I did it to smoke the felweed."

>>48541310
the demon hunter from Nagrand too. He abandoned Illidan to actually go fight demons instead of brooding

>>48525812
>It's dumb because he's sacrificing so much of his army just for those 25 guys. No matter how good they are it's doubtful they're worth his entire fucking army.

Doesn't the fact that we were able to wipe out his whole army prove that we're worth more to him than his whole army?

>>48542577
but now he has to completely rebuild his entire army, leaving it open to a counter attack

>>48544643
And he had some stored under the ice as backup.

>>48540526
>>48540567
I have Hanhillidan, Billidan, Illidale, and Illidank all reserved, But I'm not actually buying legion so I guess I'm a real son of a bitch. Also couldn't make room for Doomhaur.

>>48533609
Yeah but he didn't get turned into a badass "Old on the outside" Dadgar by the dying curse of Sargeras.


So he sucks.

I still need to see the movie, other than Karazhan looking skinny and lame and Doomhammer not being a Blackrock it seems like an interesting Alternate take on Azeroth
So it sucks.

>>48536200
Mage, Shaman Paladin and Druid.

Also don't forget C'thun running a CRAWLING IN MY SKIN monologue in his brain.

>>48536534
>>48537050
>>48537413
The only good parts of the comic's second arc were Cho'gall's constant mutations.

>>48538260
Avatar ministuns?

>>48544978
>Avatar ministuns?
Muradin's avatar in HotS made his attacks stun but it was taken out because only magic users are allowed to be good

How come there were no priests or paladins or any divine magic in the Warcraft movie. There were no references to religion either and Llane's funeral looked like a non-religious affair.

>>48545494
Paladins were created after Stormwinds fall, and the subsequent slaughter of Northshire Priests.

Also, Stormwind was never that religious, the North and Lordaeron first painted it as a holy war against the orcs

>>48539878
Hopefully soon. I want to be able to roleplay as josuke higashikata.

>>48540493
DemonPunter.

>>48545664
I think the far bigger question is why do paladins suck so much in Warcraft 2 compared to Warcraft 3?

>>48548908
they had twenty years to get good while the orcs were all stuck in camps

>>48545494
the Clerics of Northshire were the only real religious element in Stormwind and the Horde slaughtered most of them. The few that survived became part of the founding members of the Silver Hand. Religion wasn't a huge part of human life until they started fighting an enemy that was hard countered by being devout Light worshippers

>>48539141

No lollygaggin'

go fucc a female dwarf

>>48550636
>name an important city after a god
>some anon says that it wasn't important

>>48540539
he is a pretty based guy on scrollsoflore.
He and ARMsomething seem far more passionate about the lore than anyone at blizzard.

>>48532577
>why would he bring PvP
He is a human, he doesn't need one.

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Given Blizzard's demonic possession fetish, how long before he gets CORRUPTED?

>>48550855
Jaina is corrupted right now, he will probably kill her in a dungeon or even a quest

>>48550882

>Only a few years ago Blizzard was attempting a Jaina/Thrall romance and building Rhonin to be the new Medivh/Khadgar

What a 360 turn

>>48550911
They were never attempting a Jaina/Thrall romance

Granted, looking back on what they did instead, I fucking wish they had attempted a Jaina/Thrall romance

>>48550911
They like more the le hate leads to suffering meme than the interracial mix one

Because a game called warcraft has to have a non war moral

>>48550945
"Putting the 'war' back in 'Warcraft'" is why the lore is fucked now

Well, not the whole reason, but a significant portion of it

WoW was always better when the conflict between the factions was downplayed

>>48550911

Why did Blizzard build Rhonin up to be WoW Gandalf only to kill him offscreen? Looks like Med'an is going to suffer the same fate.

>>48551104
Med'an never existed anymore.

>>48551104
>Med'an

Med'an has existed for nearly 7 some-odd years now I think. And Blizzard has not brought him up since his comic was concluded aside from one or two references in a short-story. Khadgar has the staff that is supposed to be "his" (assuming it's not just an Atiesh knock-off). For all intents and purposes, he does not exist anymore.

It's safe to say that Med'an is one step away from being retconned out of existence, since even Blizzard realized what a huge mistake he was.

>>48551104
Because someone on the team seems to hate Knaak with a fury of a thousand suns, and instead of retconning his stuff or trying to work with what they have, they're set on giving every single character of his the most petty Bad End they can think of. Just look at the dragon Aspects.

I'm not saying Knaak is a good writer (because he really isn't), but if you take the lore elements he's introduced on their own I think he's made some good contributions to the setting.

>>48551765
On the topic of Warcraft writers, whatever happened to Jeff Grubb? He wrote The Last Guardian and Liberty's Crusade, and then he just disappeared off the face of the earth.

>>48551765
What Knaak did right: Show how small mortals are

What Knaak did wrong: Make mortals big anyway

>>48551765
>>48552074
the Bronze Dragonflight was a mistake
-Khadgar

>>48550828
Right, I forgot that the trinked had shared CD with human racial, I thought it was a second use.

>>48553194
The Bronze Dragonflight was fine when they explicitly said that changing history would blow up reality. The point of the Caverns of Time was to make sure history stayed roughly intact, so you avoided most of the usual time travel nonsense.

5e Warcraft time!
Because I'm too lazy to homebrew my own stuff... how good would Orcus (from OotA, http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/962/962488.png and http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/962/962486.png if you can't check the book) changed to medium size and undead type armed with Blackrazor (DMG or http://www.ultanya.com/2015/08/throwback-thursday-blackrazor.html) be at representing the Lich King wielding Frostmourne?

>>48553572
How would you handle magic in 5e Warcraft?

DnD magic and Warcraft magic work in drastically different ways

>>48553572
Blackrazor is a good fit except for not being able to strike the undead with it. Orcus (changed into a human with the obvious ramifications of that) would fit pretty well, but the Madness of Orcus effects don't really work, Arthas doesn't drive people mad

>>48553620
Spell points variant from DMG changes Vancian casting to mana-based system (sort of).

>>48553699
>Arthas doesn't drive people mad

I dunno, after listening to my raid leader back from progressing ICC in WotLK, I disagree.

>>48553699
also, as a lair effect, I'd replace the thing about rotting flesh and flies and the Madness of Orcus with some sort of passive attraction to mortal necromancers, since Ner'zhul's spirit doing so was how the original Cult of the Damned was recruited

>>48550979
I dunno, Warcraft 2 was pretty nice, but that was probably because it was a lot simpler.

what if we do end up actually fighting Sargeras at the end of Legion?

>>48554909
Not necessarily Sargeras himself in flesh, but I wouldn't consider it particularly unlikely that we'll face his avatar or stop him from manifesting. Gul'dan is going to be the last boss in one of the raids already revealed, and they'll probably add some additional ones down the line, which would necessiate some more big nasty demons to fight against (it is a Legion-themed expansion, so I'd expect the final raid at least to be Legion-themed, even if they release some stuff in between). Considering we've already beaten Kil'jaden and Archimonde (twice, due to use also fighting him in CoT Hyjal), Sargeras would be a pretty obvious choise.

>>48555145
>inb4 the Sargeras fight is at the end of the first-ever plot relevant troll raid

>>48551765
>>48552074
>>48553194
>>48553283
Other than the Bronze flight I really enjoyed most of the Dragonflights, and even Rhonin was only a "Meh." rather than a burning hate for me.
>>48552022
Yeah, he was really fucking good.

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>>48555145
>Kil'jaden
I wish Blizzard would do a revamp of Sunwell Plateau just to experience Kil'jaeden again in the same way it was at the end of Burning Crusade: fucking hard.
It was the last time the game really felt so epic. The buildup, the look and the fucking music were so perfect that it's a shame kids these days will never get to know joy of beating something to grand. Or the pain of Brutallus and Felmyst just to get there.

Just in case Nightborne's similarity to drow wasn't too obvious... presenting Fal'dorei: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=110321/nazak-the-fiend#modelviewer:10+0

>>48555430
God DAMMIT blizzard.


As if spider-riding coal-black Elves weren't bad enough.

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>>48555303
>mfw blizzard does a timewalking looking for raid and swp is a choice
>mfw wrathbabbies and beyond get to try and deal with m'uru

i will enjoy every wipe

>>48555549
>Wrath babies think they know how to raid
>10th anniversary Molten Core event
>90% of the players don't know how to do shit
>End up walking every raid I'm in through each encounter like Vanilla all over again.

>>48555600
The dispel heavy fights were a bit of a bitch because of the changes to Dispel CDs.

>>48555549
>timewalking raids
fuck no, Pit of Saron TW is already bad enough. Imagine the bugs from trying to scale ilvls and outdated gameplay for all those different raids

>>48555711
That, and fights with curses expected Mages to stop doing DPS and use their own Decurse.
I slogged through a 5 hour raid when that happened with only about 8 of us there at the end who started it.
God people are stupid.
And Blizzard had to nerf the aggro radii of the trash because modern raid kiddies couldn't handle it.

>>48556076
MC trash is fucking boring though.

>>48556144
True, but back in the day it was 50% of your time in there. Then 40% waiting on trash respawns so you didn't get too many trash packs.
Then 5% waiting for the retard Main Tank to go repair and be summoned back and then 5% fighting bosses.

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>>48555600
>Taking your experience with raiding from LFR

>>48556214
truly the pinnacle of MMO gameplay

>>48556434
I remember it sometimes used to take three days to clear the whole thing. One day to slog our way through Garr, the next day to get through Golemagg, and the last to do Executus and Rag.

>>48555549
To be fair, i imagine that if they do timewalking raids. It's going to get nerfed HARD.

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Why are Dark Irons so badass?

>>48555600
>>48556277
Oh yeah, it was LFR only to boot.

>>48556214
Ah. Good old vanilia, I say despite having never played it.

I still wonder who the fuck thought it was a good idea to have 40 man raids. I can't even imagine the kind of clusterfuck it was to get that many people together. Let alone to have them actually acomplish something.

>>48556560
Because there crazy pyromaniac dwarfs that all look evil as fuck.

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>>48556560
Because they're led by the only truly deserving figure to be named High Queen of the Alliance.

>>48556636
Having led raids in Vanilla, it really wasn't bad at all.
Class balance in the raid would be a bit fucked with 8 mages, 7 priests, 6 paladins, 6 warriors, 5 huntards, 4 druids, 3 rogues and me the only Warlock, AKA, the Taxi.

Still managed to average 20 people in the guild waiting for a turn.
I really didn't envy our guy who managed the DKP back then and all his spreadsheets.


In the end, the boss fights were complex but simple. Rarely did they involve racing an enrage timer, so DPS was more about sustainability and their willingness to STOP doing damage to do something that helps the raid. Like mages decursing mentioned before or Hunters using Tranquilizing Shot.
Bosses rarely had "execute this perfectly or the raid dies" gimmicks that define current, especially Mythic, raiding.
There were a few gear checks. My guild and I pounded our heads on Vaelastrasz 47 times in one night before we got him down.
I can still make that run from Thorium Point to BWL blindfolded. When I tell that story to people now I usually get "Wat's thorium point? lol"

>>48554909
thrall kills him after dealing with his midlife crisis.

>>48556636
That was the best part though, it felt like you where actually a grunt in the faction army working 40 other people most likely your close friends and guild so it wasn't actually that hard to get them on.
Plus once you got through it and beat the raid it was like actually seizing victory from an insurmountable enemy.
Now it is, you ten guys just killed a major general of the burning legion, but you are still one of the weaker members of our army.

>>48556560
>dark irons were losing a war on two fronts
>instead of being boring and honorable they nuked grim batol and fucking destroyed redridge by summoning ragnaros
>even though they got enslaved by ragnaros they still fuck around, blowing shit up and drinking beer
>are the only dwarves that got shit done after joining the alliance by killing the trolls summoning storms in dun morogh (with player and varian help)
>still not a player skin for dorfs

>>48556772
That seems slightly more reasonable than i expected. Am i wrong in thinking that raiding as we know it today seems to own more to Burning crusade than Vanilia?

>>48555204
>inb4 its revealed Sargeras was actually a troll all along.

>>48555204
>First and last then

>>48555549
>>48555600
>They think their precious past raids are mechanically more complex than modern raids

Today's crop of raiders would shit all over your favorite old timey raid.

>>48556913
>muh raids
meanwhile the classes are gutted to an extent that the player needs 2 stats, primary and stamina

>>48556913
>He thinks being able to hit the buttons the addons plaster on your screen in bold constitutes skill.

>>48556854
Yeah, it does feel that way. I do believe it was Burning Crusade where Enrage timers were added to bosses to give a sense of urgency. My guild never did get far in Vanilla Naxxramas, but there were a couple fights that had huge health pools, but only one phase, so those were real slogs that just seemed to go on forever.
I can understand Blizzard wanting to streamline the raiding process. Very few people went very far into AQ40, much less downed C'thun, even after his nerfs and even fewer managed to get through Naxxramas before it was removed with the arrival of Burning Crusade.
Playing a Warlock, BC's raiding did get boring towards the end as my only spell rotation was "spam Shadow Bolt and out DPS everyone."
There were more gimmick fights, especially in Karazhan like the chess set fight or the stage fights with Romeo and Juliet or Little Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf, but I remember those as fun ways to work together to accomplish the goals.
Now it's either kiddie glove bullshit of LFR or trying way too hard to pump out the DPS.

>will never EVER need to gather buffs from dire maul and have elemental resistances for bosses/wings again

thank god

>>48556875
I could accept sargeras being a troll considering trolls are the base and adding any sort of power gives you some powerful race .

Trolls the playdoo of warcraft

>>48556994
>RPG
>doesn't want to stack resistances

Also, does anyone remember that pallies had random cloth and leather items they used to boost their heals while leveling?

>>48556971
>>48556982
>They desperately try and avoid the issue because they know that objectively their nostalgia is wrong and they feel that they probably couldn't compete with the more advanced raiders of today.

kys

>>48557045
>warcraft raiding
>skill
m8, If I need skilled gameplay, I play RTS.

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Is Hearthstone canon?

>>48556815
Eh. Personally,i much prefer the feeling of actually having my involvement matter in a major way.

And in what way are you still "one of the weaker members of our army", wow nowadays threats like you like the elite of the elite. As it should if you ask me.

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>>48557045

>>48557036
>Also, does anyone remember that pallies had random cloth and leather items they used to boost their heals while leveling?
that's why you need the Devout shoulders

>>48557094
No.

>>48557036
I hated that. It was only the case because Blizzard didn't put in enough quest rewards or loot for certain niche specs, like Holy Paladins, Restoration Druids, and Elemental/Restoration Shaman. It was a pain to level any of those because of how difficult it was to find fear appropriate for your spec.

>>48557036
Yep. Even the famous Leeroy Jenkins video is about Leeroy trying to get the Devotion shoulders, which were for Priests.

Or having to rep up with Thorium Brotherhood just to buy all the fire resist plate gear your tank needed to survive more than three hits fighting Rag. And all the mages having to spec to Frost for the fight since he was immune to fire and all the Rogues having to carry extra daggers since stabbing him cause massive durability loss for your weapon.

>>48556982
To be fair, Paladins back in the day needed add-ons like Buff-ahoy, to cast their Blessings, one person at a time WHILE the boss was being pulled because they only lasted 5 minutes.
And then recasting their blessings on the important people in the fight(healers and tank) halfway through.

>>48557094
Probably? I mean, there's no reason the game can't exist in universe.

>>48557136
I found it fun, but I see your point.

>>48557094
The latest expansion is about Medivh throwing a disco party in Karazhan and it features Gul'dan and Anduin as playable characters despite Anduin being born about 15 years after Gul'dan dies in-universe

>>48557067
>>48557119
Keep dodging, but without a doubt players of modern WoW are far and away more skilled than players of the past, and the game is more complex to facilitate that.

>>48557036
Resistance stacking hasn't been important in rpg's for a very long time.

>>48557220
I thought it made far more sense from a storytelling perspective
>you are about to enter the lair of a monster who is a fire breathing monster, helping the master smiths who specialize in fire resistant armor will help you defeat it.
>>48557214
you also forgot
>datamined encounters
>guides already on youtube by the time patches go live.

>>48557067
>Rts.
>Skillfull.
Sigh, you sad pathetic pleb. While you were still learning how to spell your name, I was doing perfect runs of bullet hell games with my toes.