Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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First for best Orc

>>48559067
Who are the Nightbornes?

>>48559126
Dubm drow knockoffs living in a part of Suramar that they magically kept from skining AND managed to hide from the MU Gul'dan&Cho'gall, Rend and Maim as they chased them, then Illidan, Vashj, Maiev, Tyrande, and Malfurion.

>>48559126
new subrace of elves in lejun

theyre basically the highborne that stayed on the broken isles and made a new well of eternity
theres also a sub-subspecies that are notdrow and are half spider

in Legion, warriors go to Vrykul hell to kidnap King Ymiron and take him to Valhalla just to piss him off

Mage master class.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW5IYrgOgYU

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlHx7YNWYGY

>>48559490
I can't get that fucking disco song out of my head. Damn Blizzard's impeccable sound design

>>48559490
>make cheesy song about one night in Karazhan
>not a spoof of One Night in Bangkok
You had one fucking job, Blizzard.

Tomb of Sargeras audio drama comes tomorrow.

>>48559490
>Chess game confirmed for return in Hearthstone.
Can wait to see the rage.

>>48559810
how bad was it?

>>48559874
the original chess game was just weird, and the ai was so bad he would kill himself half the time and wipe you no matter what another good portion.
They will probably make a meme of it and make the fight only chess pieces or something and make it like the rag nafarion fight.

Does anyone actually use either of the published versions of the Warcraft RPG? Do you do Deadmines runs and shit?

I played the shit out of the MMO until Cataclysm. I really enjoyed the content and story before that expansion.

>>48559971
I don't know if it was possible when it was current content, but now you can sit in the king and cleave everything that walks in front of you and you'll win unless Medivh cheats by putting fire on your space with a pawn in front of you

>>48559490
one thing the Hearthstone trailer makes me wonder is whether or not they'll add the other OC League of Explorers characters to Legion or later expansions. Sir Finely is cool, but I want to get rich

>>48559490
looks like we wont be killing Khadgar in Legion

>>48559490
>Jaraxxus at a party
>the Draenei girl has an afro
>the earrings on the BElf
>dragon fireworks

I don't understand. Is this the power of disco?

>>48560008
No, they're OGL and shit

>>48560470
Medivh used his magic to create massive time traveling meme parties for his own personal amusement. Where do you think Khadgar learned to be such a wacky memer from?

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So how much time have you put roleplaying in Warcraft, /tg/?

Seven years, and counting

>>48560823
A few years for WoW specifically. General RP communities are awful, though, so I rarely RP outside of my groups of friends.

It's what I do in any MMO I RP in really, all for the same reasons.

>>48560823
0

I'm weirdly nervous about RPing on an MMO and have no idea what to do.

>>48561081
same, I switched to an RP server to raid back in BC (I didn't realize how shit it would be) and never really saw anyone RPing anywhere unless I went into silvermoon. The concept sounds fine, I just have no idea why I would want to RP as anything, and I feel like my immersion would be broken on any server where the majority of people aren't even roleplaying.

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Where my sexy liches at?

>>48561149
Yeah, unfortunately on Horde side, about 90% of RP is for blood elves in Silvermoon, with spatterings of other races in the other capitals. On Wyrmrest Accord I saw a small Tauren Tribe guild RPing in Thunderbluff on occasion, but that was about all I was able to observe.

>>48561270
I never saw much on alliance side either, made a human once and 90% of people straight up ignored me when I tried to talk to them, help them, or wish them luck. There was one cute group of people using some items to make everyone look like squirrels and having a good time, but they weren't really RPing and dissipated quickly.

>>48561466
What server? Because I know Wyrmrest Accord is fairly active in Stormwind, even if it's a largely a mess.

Especially the Blue Recluse. Stay away from that fucking place.

>>48561513
>Blue Recluse
Isn't that basically WRA's version of MoonGuard's Goldshire?

>>48561194
KT in HOTS when?

>>48561583
since two years ago :^)

>>48561569
Probably. I've never been to Moon Guard, but I know the general idea of Goldshire there.

It's pretty awful. I had a friend who kept saying she wanted to RP there, and I always staunchly refused because of how awful it was, in addition to being overcrowded.

Worgen and Draenei futa abound, in addition to your standard MMO Mary Sues.

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>>48561598
Fuck. Wrong KT.

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>>48561609
>In addition to your standard MMO Mary Sues.

This is why I mostly stuck to RPing on private servers.

Sadly, they always go to shit because of dumb drama and people having differing opinions on what will ensure quality through the community

But they always have their golden moments.

>>48561704
It's why I stick to just RPing with a group of friends in a guild.

I remember once in the Blue Recluse, a Draenei character had an RP bio that said she was a Man'ari Paladin. Also specified that she was a lesbian, and stated that guys shouldn't approach her.

>>48561583
Do the characters have quippy lines in HotS, and what would he say?

>>48562041
>Do the characters have quippy lines in HotS
the quippiest
>and what would he say?
endless jokes about chilling out and phylacteries

>>48562059
His death / respawn quote would definitely be
>I love phylacteries!

>>48562059
>>48562581
I wonder what he'd say to Xul. Aside from "You sound familiar" since they both have the same VA.

>>48562581
>kill Arthas
>oops, sorry about that, master

>kill Uther
>don't you paladins ever learn?

>kill Jaina
>looks like I'm just cooler than you (or "was I asking for it this time?")

>kill Arthas, Uther or Xul
>did that guy sound familiar or am I hearing things?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjvlDUMWrNI
Would you cook with Gul'dan, /tg/?

>>48562671
he probably puts too many souls in his food for my tastes

>>48562671
can I sub the Draenei soul for a blood elf soul?

>>48562671
no joke the brownies at the end look good

>>48562642
Who has the sexiest voice by that VA?

>>48560823
Four years, over 400 days /played on my main

>>48560008
I use Warcraft RPG (the older, better version not inspired by WoW) as a source of inspiration and lore (because, even if they declared it non-canon, it's better than most "lore" from cata onwards), but I use 5e D&D as a system.

>>48565645
I did the same with an online group, 5e was simple enough to bend into the classes we wanted.

>>48564698
Nexus-prince Shaffar, hands down.

>>48562958
Yeah, I'd want the actual recipe for those.

Here's your random what if question of the day:

What if WC1's roles were reversed, with corrupted humans high on fel blood invading Draenor? Maybe Medivh plays the Gul'dan role to humanity or something, I don't know. Feel free to make some assumptions.

Would Varian be their Grom, or their Blackhand?

>>48566139
I could probably sell me on a fel-power struggle, where humans invade and then orcs drink fel blood to be able to push the humans back.
I'd like to see how the other races of azeroth respond to humans turning into crazy hulks and destroying the land. I feel like the elves would be pushing humans the fuck out, they might not even want to go to draenor.

>>48566139
I have a feeling that fel-corrupted humans are a lot easier to kill than orcs. Without the ability to call on the Light, the humans would probably be even more hampered unless their warlocks were very good

>>48566182
Varian would be Thrall since both were children at the time of the first two wars (Thrall wasn't born yet, but you get it)

>>48564698
greetings stranger! I'm not surprised to see YOUR kind around here

>>48566182
Technically he'd be their Thrall

>>48566200

Fel-corruption might turn humans back into pseudo-Vrykul, that could put a wrinkle in it.

>>48566254
Explain?

Reminder that the Vrykul should have been smarter and more advanced than the humans.

>>48566278
How do you reason that?

>>48566265

Warcraft humans are mutated from degraded Titan constructs, giant warriors called Vrykul, that's probably still in the human make-up somewhere.

>>48566278
>smarter
Maybe they are, but never developed a decent education system because they only care about bashing heads.
>more advanced
If they weren't so preoccupied with hitting shit with pointy sticks.

>>48566278

I wouldn't say so. There is the argument that a society focused on war might develop quicker because they have to outrace their opponents, but let's face it, the Vrykul don't really have any opposition to speak of that requires them to advance.

>>48566278

Vrykul were purpose built cannon-fodder meant to happily jump into the meat-grinder of the old gods' forces with a smile on their face.

Thinking is Earthen work.

>>48566299
Yeah, but why might fel corruption do that? Just because it's mutating them in general so it might get shuffled to the fore, or is there something specific about fel energies and ancestry/potential?

>>48566358

Well, it's been used to reverse the "cursed" state suffered by the Arakkoa, and elemental/old-god energy restored Tol'vir to an approximation of their Titan-Construct form.

So, it's not completely without precedent, but it is a reach.

>15 years ago Blizzard releases WC3, introducing a new generation of heroes and villains in Azeroth

>today, Khadgar and Gul'dan are the most important people in Azeroth and Alleria and Turalyon are gonna show up in Legion

Blizzard is truly out of ideas

>>48566563
>Blizzard is truly out of ideas
No, they still have some left. They're just bad ones. Like putting the corpse in charge of the Horde...

>>48566563
Zul'jin coming back as the final boss confirmed then

>>48566346
>mechagnomes, actually. I think Earthen were intended as worker "caste"

Is it true we are getting a not-Drow race in Legion?

>>48566425
Well, Old Gods created the Curse of Flesh in the first place, and Deathwing was the aspect of earth, it makes sense he was able to reverse it.

>>48566563
To be fair. Pretty much all of the new generation is either dead, hated by fans, or about to turn evil. Hell, the same is pretty much true of the new new generation.

>>48566604
Yes. They are called Nightborne, they are black skinned, white haired elves, closer to high/blood elves than night elves culturally. I've heard, but can't confirm, that they also ride spiders.

There are also Fal'dorei living near them, half-spider, half elf, use nerubian models with elven heads.

>>48566563
Blame Kosak

>>48566605
>getting corrupted by the Old Gods turns the iron and stone Titanforged into flesh
>when Deathwing is corrupted by the Old Gods he has metal plates fastened over his original scales and flesh
poetry

>>48566604

They don't really resemble Drow much, except in coloration, and even then they're more of a navy blue than black.

I actually hear good things about their lore, even if it boils down to being an older version of blood elves.

>>48560032
People used to solo chess at level 70, just not like that.

>>48566578
Obviously. We all know Zul'jin is actually Sargeras.

>>48566563
Yrel pissed me off. It felt like she was just piggybacking off of MY achievements and presenting them as her own. FUCK YOU SLUT I DID THAT.

>>48566752

Literally the Kormir of the WoW universe.

>>48566752

Wait a minute...What is stopping Alliance and Horde from asking WoD Draenor to help them out against the Legion invasion?

>>48567068
Literally nothing

>>48567068
the fact that everyone hates WoD and Blizzard is never going to touch it again

>>48567068

If there's an AU Draenor, does that mean there's a corresponding AU Azeroth?

>>48567068
Absolutely nothing, despite Yrel saying "If you need help, give us a bell senpai" at the end of it.

>>48566752
....Who is Kormir?

>>48567107

A character in the Guild Wars universe who is basically the tag-along of your character, but in the end becomes a god after getting the kudos for doing all the shit you did.

>>48567068
I imagine that with the whole iron horde problem dealt with. The portal is going to revert back to normal. Otherwise it raises the question of what happend to main timeline outland.

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>A great man once told me; In the Light we are one

What did she mean by this?

>>48567097
>>48567068
Y'rel didn't actually MEAN that, she was just being polite. Never thought we'd actually ask.
Like when a girl offers to split the bill at the end of dinner.

>>48567143
>Maraad

>tfw any Alliance character who threatens Thralls popularity will eventually be killed off by Blizzard

>>48567196
>Nazgrim
>tfw any horde character who becomes popular becomes a raid boss


Man why can't Horde just have a war council with the leader of every independent faction sitting in it? And their word would weigh more based on their races' power in the Horde.

>>48562797
Yes, but the brownies will taste sluttier.

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>>48559098
>implying

>>48567229
>why can't Horde just have a war council
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A WARCHIEF

>>48567229
>tfw Nazgrim becomes the TIP OF THE SCOURGE SPEAR, NO GREATER HONOR in Legion
Mograine's eyes are upon you

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>>48567268
I will never get over the DKs in Legion.
>Dude being undead sucks, right guys? It's literally worse than hell and people would rather commit suicide than be Undead

>Yeah that sucks.

>Guys we should start raising people :DDDDDDDD

>>48567288
everyone needs to do their part to stop the Legion, citizen. Being dead is no excuse

>>48567288

What's the justification behind that anyway? Isn't the whole point of the DK's opening questline that they used to be heroes who have been forced to do horrible things?

Why would they start going down the same road?

>>48567094
yes

>>48567398

I want to see it.

With Arathor and Alterac being the big dick kingdoms.

>>48567288
>>48567367
because the LK has decided if regular people can't deal with the legion, he will unleash the scourge.

>>48567424

Isn't Bolvar an ice cube?

I thought he'd consigned himself to that, and the player was the de facto head of the EB.

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>tfw somewhere out there is a alternate timeline Earth where Blizzard didn't give in to mental retardation during TBC and Alliance got High Elves as their new race and either Broken or Goblins for the Horde. Thus preventing or postponing Blizzard's Warcraft retcon creep

>You will never live in that timeline

Feels bad /tg/.

>>48567464
>Alliance has both kinds of Elves
>Horde has 20% of the playerbase

>>48567517
seems alright.

>>48567517

There is still a population imbalance in favor of Alliance till this day so its not like the Blood Elf experiment worked out in the long run.

>>48567464
I'm fine with Draenei for Alliance (they're a pretty cool race, plus blue space-waifus), although I wish they hadn't made them into the same race as the guys we see in WC3 and vanilla (I don't really care about the "who corrupted who" retcon, since that was stuff that was briefly mentioned in WC3 manual and didn't really affect the lore on Azeroth). But I think Blood Elves and Worgen were a mistake. Neighter fits the aestethic of their faction (Horde is supposed to be more savage and Alliance more civilized, so giving Horde a bunch of pretty elves and Alliance werewolves clashes with the basic themes). If I could've chosen, I'd have liked to see TBC Draenei (under a different name) for Alliance and the oldschool Draenei for the Horde in TBC, and then Goblin and High Elves for Horde and Alliance, respectively, in Cata.

>>48567528
It did though. It made Hordes population skyrocket.

>There will never be an alternate reality where Garrosh stayed Warchief, married Zaela, brought the Horde into a golden age, fought plenty of wars, and allowed the Mogu into the Horde

>>48567464

What if that timeline lead to something infinitely worse?

Like their version of Med'an became canon?

>>48567544
Now you know that would never happen. The Mogu are just too supremicist.

>>48567612
I honestly don't think Garrosh would mind.

>Oh, you wanna destroy the Pandaren? Good thing they just joined the Alliance, eh Mr. Shen?

>>48567612
>>48567642
I sort of like the idea of the Mogu joining the Horde just so there's a reason other than "Garrosh turns into Hitler for no reason" that the Horde gets to have a problem with what he does in Pandaria, since the mogu would know exactly what he was doing with all the Old God shit

>>48567673
I was thinking more that Garrosh doesn't turn into Hitler and that a lot of people (rightfully) dislike him for being a warmonger, although he then matures.

>>48567517
Makes sense, the Horde has a far smaller population than the Alliance. Or would were it not for Kosak being an idiot

>>48567642
>>48567673
I would have thought that the Zandalar would move closer into Horde influence rather than the Mogu. The are just simply more inroads to get them to Horde's side.

>>48567464

I don't see how blood elves forgetting being betrayed by the Alliance would somehow PREVENT retcon creep

>>48567435
since he is an ice cube that is still technically the lich king I suppose he can talk to his DKs like Arthas did

and since he's a bit crazy after being forsaken'd, then set on fire, then tortured by arthas on top of ICC for a few months, he's willing to unleash the scourge to stop the BL

>>48567464
BC was retarded, but the retarded part was the retcons to draenei and orcs, it had nothing to do with the blood elves

>>48567642
Why in the flying fuck would the Pandaren, with their previous ties to the Horde through Chen Stormstout and shamanistic tendencies, join the Alliance and not the Horde?

>>48567807
.. Why'd the Pandaren, who live on a continent where negative feelings literally turn into massive shadows of negative emotions manifest, join the warmongering MoP Horde instead of the Alliance?

>>48567867
Well I was assuming we were talking about a universe in which Garrosh is not a battlecrazed lunatic, in which case the "warmongering" thing is shared between both factions instead of dumped entirely on the Horde's lap

>>48567876
Well, for that matter, it's not like Chen Stormstout was anyone except a a personal friend to the Horde, and a brewmaster & wandered to everyone else. He's hardly representative of the Horde.

>>48567917
I disagree, Chen held a similar view of the world to Thrall, Vol'jin and Cairne. Thrall, Vol'jin and Cairne are the heart of the Horde. If Chen thinks of the world as they do, he thinks of the world as the Horde does

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>>48567954
>Thrall, Vol'jin and Cairne are the heart of the Horde
Not anymore

>>48567771
>>48567435
This is what happened
>Bolvar: What you guys think about the legion?
>Nerzhul: SHEIT THE LEGION B SCARY
>Arthas: I was making an army to beat it up y'know
>Horde: I WUNNA FIGHT DE ALLIANCE
>Alliance: I WUNNA FIGHT DE HORDE
>Ebon blade: We're bored...
>Bolvar: RELEASE THE ZOMBIES.

>>48567007
>>48567107
>>48567114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4

>>48560823
Spent several years trying to find any RP worth doing.

>>48567673
The Mogu were also willing to fuck with sha stuff though, see the Divine Bell.
>>48567759
Not Zul's Zandalar, Vol'jin basically spit in their face and helped organize the destruction of their first two plans. Maybe Rastakhan's if there's ANYTHING of Zandalar Island left above sea level.

>>48567249
Hail to the king baby!

>>48567068
>>48567094
>>48567120
Well here's a few things that might happen.

>First they ask for help nad get the help since for reasons.

>Second they stop existing entirely, based off the description; Garrosh had used the hourglass as a way to create a small pocket dimension that went to a certain point in time in which to create his Iron Horde. If that hourglass was to be destroyed then the entire dimension falls in on itself and time reverts back to normal. There may or maynot be some causualties as well for those who are from the maintimeline being in the pocket dimension, they either die or just get spit out into Outland in a rough area of where they were on Dreanor.

>Third option is that the pocket dimension stays there, but the only problem is; anyone whose a native of that place literally cannont leave. Reason being that a paradox would form as in the case of Draenai, they might meet themselves and cause a identity crisis or if they had died in the past then them being alive in the present timeline would cause an error in the world and would correct it by also making that person dead.

Of course if I had the choice of trying to bring back Old Content from the earlier years of the lore I might not have used freaking time traveling creating new dimension shit. Maybe something that involves phasing through Azeroth; key points in history are being affected and the Bronze flight need heroes to help them stop this rampant change in history.

Sorta like what we got in the Caverns of time and all that, but we're now time police working to stop the rapid changes, heck could make it rather fun where you can muck about in the alternative areas of the world where the event occured and see what it's like.

The sacking of Lorderon and the breaking of the Alliance by orcs, or the Scourge being beaten back by the elves, Or when the orcs manage to break through the Elves magical protection as Garrosh works his orchish charm on the Horde.

>>48567424
I feel like that should just be step one.

Why are the Tauren the worst race?

>>48567783
Orc retcons?

>>48568762
t. Khan Oogabooga

>>48568777
Even Centaur or Quibloars would have more interesting lore than muh indians

>>48568774
Brown orcs

>>48568762
>Tauren worst race.
Some posts are simply flawed on such a fundamental level, there's nothing actualy meaningful one could say in response.

>>48568955
Oh. Why is that a problem?

>>48569259
it ruins Blizzard's noble savage fetish by showing us that uncorrupted orcs are just as savage and violent as the green ones

>>48568762
why do you think they are the worst?

>>48569259
Well, less brown orcs in general, and more a select few brown orcs who are awful

Namely Aggra and Garrosh

>>48567068
The fact that almost all of Draenor's military might has been crushed.

Ogres? Wiped out. By us, because they wouldn't have helped us anyway.
Iron Horde? Wiped out. Their industry getting sunk by wrecking Blackrock is the entire point of the raid.
Fel Horde? Wiped out. Re: Ogres for why.
Draenei? Lot of dead, lot of damage from the constant orc attacks. Karabor got overrun, Auchindoun's last defense construct got destroyed, Shattrath can't be in a good state after getting filled with demons. Which we never dealt with, because canned raid...

Seriously, the entire planet has had its shit pushed in.

>>48570107
Could always ask the plants, give them the legion home world in return for not also infecting our shit.

>>48570107
>Ogres? Wiped out. By us, because they wouldn't have helped us anyway.
Highmaul was merely a setback, there's still an entire continent of Gorian colonies

>>48567867
Because the Huojin pandaren are first introduced to the Horde through tauren, who aren't the fucktarded sub-faction. They fight because they have to, not because their leader got a hard on for proving he's better than his dad.

>>48567867
>>48570232
On top of that they're Wandering Isle Pandaren to boot.

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>>48570209
I know the ogre bodyguard mentions fighting 'across two continents', but honestly it's possible that the Draenor we know IS two continents.

Africa and Asia are separate continents despite being physically connected, after all.

>>48570298
there's a continent to the south that's supposedly mostly controlled by the ogre empire but it was cut like most of WoD

>>48568004
Implying Ner'zhul woulden't just be repeating "kill them all" in that scenario

>>48570298
That is possible but there is a canon Continent of Ogre and other races, and a large Island only populated by Botani and some Laughing Skull orcs.
Like Kalimdor to humans, known but not talked about.

>>48570562
>Botani and some Laughing Skull orcs.
You mean Faralahn, pre-Nether Storm.

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>nerubians are one of the best races in the lore
>underutilized even in the WoW expansion that takes place in their homeland
>basically ignored by the lore after that
What a shame.

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>>48570805
>pic related


That aside, there's still a chance that some arrakoa are drifting through the nether in their own Apexis spaceship, so they might help us in the future

>>48559490
The magic fireworks at the and must have triggered malygos so hard...

>>48571131
>get to the end of Legion
>Sargeras is about to destroy Azeroth with his demon magic
>a giant golden disk warps out of the sky over the Broken Isles
>reeee, not so fast dark titan
>space arakkoas get out of the UFO and help you kill him

>>48571111
> No forsaken crypt lord either.

Reminder that WoD should never have been attempted

does anyone have a pic of a night elf using a katar or something similar?

>>48571486
putting Garrosh on trial was a mistake
-literally everyone other than Taran "just Sha my shit up" Zhu

>>48571111
It's too bad the planned underground Azol-Nerub zone in Wrath enevr came to pass, and all we see in the game of the non-Scoruge Nerubians is those three NPCs outside the AN dungeon entrance.

>>48572107
it could be a cool concept for a future expansion.
Go back to Northrend and then discover the entire underground empire

>>48571111
Strange that while the Warcraft RPG generally stuck pretty close to the established game lore when it was availeable, here they seem to have completely forgotten key details of the war between the Lich King and the nerubians. Namely, that the nerubians were immune to the plague. The Lich King first tried to infect and raise them, and when that didn't work he had to engage them in more conventional warfare, which he eventually won through attrition (he might not have been able to kill the nerubains with the plague, but he could still raise the bodies of those killed in battle).

>>48572636
the reason it's non-canon is because for every cool idea there's another one that's either completely retarded or just straight up wrong

Here are THE best leaders of the Horde.
>Wachief Garrosh Hellscream
>Chief Cairne Bloodtotem
>Lady Sylvanas Windrunner
>Boss Mida
>Regent Lord Lor'themar Theron
>Chen Stormstout
>Vol'jin

>>48573683
>sylvanas
poorlydrawngoldstar.png

>>48573683
>no Doomhammer
discarded

>>48573779
What better Undead are there than her?

>>48573851
the ones that are un-undead

>>48573851
>oh no the lich king is destroying my homeland what an evil monster
>oh no he is raising the dead this is an abomination
>oh fuck he killed me i'm a zombieslut now this is the worst fate
>oh fuck I broke his control
>ok time to raise the dead and destroy some innocent farms and villages
>WHY DONT PEOPLE LIKE MEEEEE
>now that the lich king is dead i can be free
no
>wew I went to hell cause im a cunt better raise a ton of meatsh- I mean "loyal new subjects" so i dont die and go to hell again haha
necrofags will defend this.

List of misstakes:
>Gnomes
>Playable NElves
>Tauren
>Playable Forsaken
>Draenei
>Blood Elves
>Worgen
>Faction-specific Goblins
>Faction-independent Pandaren

>>48574038
>the bronze dragonflight
>Dragon Aspects
>ogron, ogre lords and ettin

>>48574154
Ogre lords I get, but the ogron?

>>48574193
ogron, ogre lords and ettin were 3 different ways that Blizzard tried to explore a "missing link" between gronn and ogres but none of them were fleshed out due to either laziness or cut content. The concept should have been limited to one of those 3 species instead of 3 separate expansions introducing one and then barely doing anything with them

>>48574246
The breakers and primals were the most interesting thing in WoD. I was more invested in their war than the alliance or either horde.

>>48574297
true. I wish Gorgrond wasn't so gimped and Faraholn was finished so we got more Breakers/Primals and more of the Laughing Skull

>>48574322
>I wish Gorgrond wasn't so gimped
I wish Gorgrond was two zones, one jungle and one desert.

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IM GOING TAE FUCK YER ARSE, LADDIE

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>>48574322
Might even get the connections to the Outland mushroom people and that Mushroom whale we were promised.

>>48574360
It being a place where the two nature factions are fighting over was the point.

>>48574404
Nothing wrong with having that along the border and having signature Jungle & Stone Desert going on separately

>>48574038
>dwarfs.
>blood elfs.
>world of warcraft
>dalaran
>Stormwind
>warcraft 3
>humans
>orcs
>being able to select more than 4 units
>warcraft 2
>Medivh
>Lothar going to the deadmines
>Crossbowman
>warcraft 1

>>48574480
>dwarves
>a mistake

see: >>48574370

>>48574498
Well danm, seems like i forgot two.

>You.
>Ass.

Which race would be best in football?

>>48574571
playable races? Tauren. any race? arakkoa, there's no rules against flying in football

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>>48564698
Uther.
If you slapped a beard on him, he does kinda look like Uther.

>>48574571
Are you talking about normal or american football?

>>48574629
Normal

>>48571313
Its insane and convoluted, but something in me wants more arakkoa in legion, always loved those bird folk.
Hell Spires of Arak was one of my favorite leveling zones in draenor, I just liked hanging around furtive flightless bird people.

>World of Warcraft: South Seas
>WoW:SS

>Gilneas and Kul Tiras pre-emptively join the Alliance, and the Trolls of Zandalar throw their lot in with the Horde, in an opportunity to claim victory over their decade-long struggle against the naval power of Kul Tiras. This opens up a new front; The mysterious, as of yet unclaimed South Seas. An archipelagio of strange yet familiar beings now await the chaos that the faction conflict brings to its' many pristine shores.

New zones; Kul Tiras, Zandalar, Gilneas, Plunder Isle, Tel Abim, The Broken Isles, Darkspear Islands, Hatefin/Darkwave/Scaleblood/Slitherface Reef, Nazjatar

>>48574658
In that case, probally Orcs. Tauren i feel are almost too strong. Having them play against anything else would just result in way too many red cards.

>>48574753
also hooves are probably really fucking bad for trying to kick a soccer ball with

>>48574715
That basically just sounds like Pandaria. But with less Garrosh.

>>48574671
They seem like a light and shadow-heavy religious folk.

>>48574671

WHAT ARE WE WITHOUT THE SKY?

The Arakkoa VA was really good, I enjoy listening to it. Aswell as MEGATRON ARAKKOA.

>>48571131
>Throne of the Ogre King
Highmaul is actually in, just moved a bit to the north-by-northwest
Foundry and Citadel were pretty fun, too.

It's here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_xFZ7b6tOk

How much would it change the narrative of the first & second wars if the humans were nature worshipers?

>>48574983
SHADOWS GATHER
the whole explanation behind that phrase you get at the very end of spires of arak was awesome, and it made a wonderful little cap to the whole zone, the Arakkoa and the outcasts are awesome to mess around with.

>>48575345
too bad Iskar gets lolcorrupted offscreen and ends up as a boss in HFC
bad in that we killed him too fast for there to be fel arakkoa in Legion

>>48575778
>too bad Iskar gets lolcorrupted offscreen
>Offscreen

>>48575778
Someone didn't do the quests in Tanaan.

>>48566578
We're running out of trolls and we need a troll-raid for the expansion to be good. It is a cruel necessity

>>48576470
Gara'jal the Spiritbinder gives Blizzard infinite chances to create troll raids.
can't think of a filler raid for x.1? Boom, he brings Drakuru, Zul'jin and Jin'do the Hexxer back and they invade [current expansion's main continent]. Go get 'em boys

>>48577437
Didn't Jin'do get consumed by Hakkar?
Speaking of which, last we saw, Hakkar is off doing fuck knows what and he could always come back bigger and badder and with more AIDS.

>>48577515
>Didn't Jin'do get consumed by Hakkar?
more than likely, I've never done Zul'gurub, he was just the third important troll I could think of

>Speaking of which, last we saw, Hakkar is off doing fuck knows what and he could always come back bigger and badder and with more AIDS.
apparently the original Hakkar (the Houndmaster) is doing some shit in Legion

>>48574658

Well, if you're talking soccer I think Pandaren would make the best goalies, they're broad, but they're quick.

>>48574038
>aggramar just being listed as dead one day

>>48577537

Completely unrelated entities that happen to share a first name.

Just clarifying that, you probably already know.

>>48577537
>>48577900
Hakkar vs Hakkar deathmatch when Blizzard?

>>48577936
7.2

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>>48577936
Make it happen, Blizzard.

>>48576470
Trolls don't run out.
Every time you kill them all some others pop up somewhere else, at this point I'm starting to believe Azeroth under the crust is just trolls, trolls and more trolls.

Troll biomass in space that only got a crust because enough of the trolls gravity

>>48578114
>Titans are actually just trolls that have spent so much time floating in the Twisting Nether that they turned into rock to survive

I wonder if Draenor was made by that one Titan the others never got along with.

>>48578368
I think they just got halfway through and realized there wasn't a worldsoul so they just fucked off.

>>48578114
I can't wait for them to introduce a new old god made out of trolls. A trold god.

>>48578368
>>48578394
the Pantheons turn planets without worldsouls into death worlds to spite them

>>48578422
They just didn't bother turning on the safety features for the Gronn/Colossals/Magnaron or Genesaur/Botani.

>>48578021

I remember a plot point in the "Blue Beetle" comic written by the guy who wrote the"Fell's Five" D&D comic...
In the DC comics universe, when a Supervillain dies or retires, up and coming villains come together and have an elimination tournament to determine who takes up the name.

>>48578603

I think it had a pun-ish name, like "Title Bout"

>>48578603
I think the Legion's Hakkar would win. Our Hakkar was bested by a bunch of nobodies (back when WoW PCs were truly nobodies) while their Hakkar was strong enough to be the first demon out of the portal during the WotA

>>48578971
I wouldn't say total nobodies, and Legion Hakkar got stomped by the rookie versions of Malf and Tyrande and company.

>>48578603
Marvel has similar fun things for legacy villain names.

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Is it true the Legion has spaceships now? And if it is true, why do they need them when they have portals?

>>48579696
To carry things that can't get past the portal?

Or bombard things from a relatively safe distance?

>>48579696
>Why do they have ships that teleport like mages? (not space ships)
Because they need a highly mobile way the move troops around a planet and strategic points.
Portals only have one exit so can easily be seiged
>Then why do they have portals?
Because ships can only take so many fighters at once and don't offer a good invationary front, a portal can have limitless troops march threw it constantly and allow a nice front to build up on the other side.

>>48579696
>>48579808
>>48579848
I still wish they'd gone for a more Necropolis style square shape instead of a very clearly "This is a pointy space-ship, here's the front, here's the rear: Pew-pew-pew."

>>48569351
The brown orcs in Burning Crusade were pretty mellow, though. It wasn't until Warlords of Draenor that it made the whole thing moot.

>>48580590
>BC brown orcs
Thrall, the fuck is an Ocean?
>WoD brown orcs
We Waz Kings

My only experience with this franchise is the Warcraft movie and i want to get into now. Where do i start.

>>48574154
>Bronzes
>a mistake

But Chromie a cute.

>>48580753
Play Warcraft 2 and 3. 2 then 3 is best, but order doesn't particularly matter there

>>48567544
>Mogu not joining the other Titan-forged
>implying

Lei Shen was only continuing the work of the Gods. Why would he side with creatures that invaded their creation and slaughtered those who were created alongside his people, by the same hands?

The ones who worship the same Elements his people fought under the command of the Gods?

>>48574154
>>ogron, ogre lords and ettin
Nah, I like Ogres being a bit mutable.

And I like most of the Aspects and Chromie, just not the rest of the Bronzes.

>>48580862
Imp Chromie a best

>>48580785
What if I don't wanna play the games?

>>48581289
The newest chronicle books outlines the old lore, and the movie set up most of the rest of the pre metzen lore. Most else you can pick up in game if you pay attention to quest text.

>>48581289
>>48581353
There's almost certainly tons of fan made lore videos on YouTube.

There are also a number of novels that follow the storylines of the games, with some alterations to fit the more modern lore.

>>48573851
Leonid Barthalomew?

a better question is, what are some other major Undead characters that aren't Nathanos Blightcaller?

>>48574480
Trolls not in the list.
Feels good mon.

>>48573851
Kel'Thuzad. It aint like hes busy, plus most forsaken at this point don't have much of a personal history with the scourge since they were Hills-b-rad farmers that the *cough* sylvannis *cough* killed and raised.

Plus having the cult of the damned arround would actually be useful for an undead society. I imagine a necromancer could fix em up better than a priest ect.

>>48574383
The connection to the Outland mushroom people is there, kind of. In Shadowmoon there's a rarespawn podling prophet, who speaks to a crowd of podling about his vision of them turning into mushroom people in the future. He even has a ghostly image of an Outland sporeling next to him.

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>>48567288
>implying that death is a good reason to stop fighting for Azeroth

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>>48568762

>>48580858
>Titan's invaded a planet.
>Massacred all of its native inhabitants.
>Replaced them with new "better" inhabitants.
>Claim the planet is theirs and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it.
>Repeatedly fuck everything up as a result.

I think the Mogu would get along just fine with orcs.

>>48574038
half of these mistakes are only mistakes because wow was made to be red versus blue
playable nelves, forsaken and gnomes wouldn't be mistakes if the world were either more fragmented or had more peace (as you wouldn't have to invent reasons why they should join either side)
really, I feel like the main failing of wow was focusing on the strife between the factions and not a small group of adventurers (you) not representative of their home nations joining together to loot and plunder dungeons and shit

I still feel like Burning Crusade should've added Naga, Blood Elves and the Draenei (Broken variant) as a third faction under Illidan. Would've made WAY more sense.

>>48569978

>Aggra
>Awful

HOW. She's not awful. She'd have to do something, ANYTHING, to be awful.

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Illidan coming back to life as the golden boy is the worst idea ever.

>>48582902
She's just there to show that Thrall has a case of the Not-Gays.

>>48582922

It would be better if it were Kael'thas.

>"The isle of Quel'Danas was merely a set-"
>miserable hacking cough, bitter, hate-filled chuckle
>"...hhhan. Welcome."

With a gaping hole in his chest where that fel-crystal was, animated by some miserable for of half-life barely keeping his body and soul tenuously connected, sane again, knowing he neither deserves nor will receive forgiveness, and just wanting to truly save his people.

It would not be the edgelord we need, but it is the edgelord we deserve.

>>48581598

Hey now, Nathanos is pretty great.

test

>>48576470

Technically, we never actually met the Rastakhan, just the invasion force. Zandalar was kinda wrecked, but it still exists.

>>48582871
This is the thing that so few people here seem to realize, red vs blue IS Wow. It's probally one of the biggest reasons the game became as popular and famous as it did. And in theory there's absolutely nothing wrong with it lore wise. Hell, i would argue it makes more sense than everybody being able to work together. Since a lot or races really hate each other.

It wasn't until the whole red vs blue thing started to become a increasingly more important part of the story, as opposed to simply the setting. That it became kind of a problem.

>>48582922
>She's just there to show that Thrall has a case of the Not-Gays.

I thought she only existed to kill Jaina X Thrall. Which in hindsight is kind of pointless.

>>48583120
Agreed, WoW wouldn't have been so popular if it didn't cultivate the us vs them mentality, and let people develop a retardedly strong bond with their faction.

At this point it's just choking and limiting a lot of gameplay, especially with how more than half the races have no reason to go along with the faction wars in the first place, not to mention death knights/demon hunters have little reason to follow along, too. I'm pretty sure the death knights are more loyal to the ebon blade than the fucking horde or alliance.

>>48582871
Gnomes were already part of the Alliance in WC2, along with the dwarves.

I think they might've originally intented to retcon them out of existence in WC3, because you don't see any in that game and the gnomish technology from WC2 that repapears in WC3 is now crewed by dwarves, but realised they needed some race on Alliance side to fill the same position as the trolls in Horde.

>>48583120
Ture. Cold war and border conflicts like in vanilla wasn't a problem, but when the writers have keep pulling convoluted reasons to make team Red and Blue be at total war with each other without either side ever coming on top and both sides still fighting together against the raid boss of the week thing get really dumb really fast.

>>48583194

Why didn't Alliance get high elves from the start in that case? Gnomes always felt a bit weird since Horde didn't have any equivalent short race (yet).

>>48583306
>Why didn't Alliance get high elves from the start in that case?

They already had elves.

>>48583331
>>48583306
We could always get them as another skin. High Elves, Broken Draenei, brown orcs, etc.

>>48583189

The big problem is the only two races that actually matter (Humans and Orcs) do in fact have plenty of reasons to keep fighting until the end of time.

I would like to see some cross faction team up mechanics. It's not like enemy mine situations don't happen constantly in the lore. And it would be nice to have that represented.

Would neutral death knigts/demon hunters work?

>>48583120
I've actually heard about this exact thing in my summer psychology class.
It was to the jist of,
>Teams make anything popular
>Even more so when you have an apposing team to rally against
>The great WoW fight is what drove it for ages
>People would actually fight if you wore faction cloths
>Funnily enough this doesn't carry over to three teams
>With Pokemon go and DAoC three factions have that conflict but stop it from becoming to personal
>Because at any given time the other factions out number you two to one you don't normally act on the heavy faction bias two give you

>>48581289
Nobbel87's YouTube videos, or randomly searching things on WoWpedia

>>48583368
>The big problem is the only two races that actually matter (Humans and Orcs) do in fact have plenty of reasons to keep fighting until the end of time.

If they ever did make a WoW 2.0 a nice mechanic to throw in to make it not entirely Red V. Blue 2 would be the idea of not neutral factions but a neutral play style.
For hard core red you can be Orcs and you only get the Horde story
For hard core Blue you play Humans and only get Alliance story
Maybe put other races on one side to like alli only dwarfs or horde only forsaken.
Then make the quest instead of having racial rep have faction rep.
Do to many horde quests and you the allies stop trusting you near their cities, do to much alli stuff and you are a no go in horde zones.
You still start in one of the two factions and you can't enter the capitals of the other, but you can raise your standing with them enough to say let a NElf chill at the Crossroads.
Giving you a sort of Merc option.

>>48583377
Yep. And besides that, at least on Pvp servers, faction conflict added a element of risk to everything you did. And encouraged you to group up. At least until World PvP died.

>>48583189

Yeah, if you didn't have Horde vs Alliance you'd need SOMETHING else to have people fight over to keep it popular.

So you'd need to have another group with the Horde/Alliance cold war as a backdrop.

>>48583477

World PvP was fun but it also had the issue that well...most of the people involved in it had no choice or chance.

A lot of it was level 20s running at full speed away from a level 40 guy in full PvP gear. World PvP would have perhaps have been a good place to put level caps on zones (Bringing people down to it if they were above it). It would be a bit inorganic but it could have actually kept fighting being so one sided.

>>48583507
I still think you should be punished for attacking low level players. Like, HARD punished.

>>48583507
I remember that. More than a few times did I run into a level 60 Horde character while I was twenty levels lower at least, and have to book it. Sometimes it could be really frustrating if they had an epic mound and they were determined to ruin your day, but it could be worse.

Warhammer Online turned high level characters going into lower level zones into chickens, forcing them into their own pvp areas. I felt like the world lost something because of that and was one of the games many failings.

>>48583597
yeah, Blizzard thought "you don't get a mechanical reward" was enough of a punishment, but as it turns out, ruining someone's day is reward enough

>>48583597

Yeah, unfortunately there wasn't something to either balance world PvP or punish ruining low level people's day.

No one really wants to engage in a situation that is mostly just shit stomping people who can't fight or being shit stomped.

It really didn't help that guards were scaled for the zone they were in, not the people who'd be fighting there.

Other than Kul Tiras, are there any places in Azeroth that have not yet appeared in WoW?

>>48583470
That's actually a really good idea. Personally, the way i would do is to have your standing with both factions determine the content you can do.

Like, lets say you play a orc shaman that goes out of their way to do both alliance and horde quests and avoids faction pvp. As a result you can now team up with alliance characters. And you get a lot of special quests that have to do with your status as a hero of both sides. But, for obvious reasons you can't do any faction vs faction pvp anymore. And a lot of horde quest givers don't trust you enough to handle certain matters.

BUT if you almost exclusively do alliance quests as a horde character. Then you become kind of a ambassador for the horde. Which comes with its own special quest lines. And the ability to join alliance guilds, and maybe some other stuff like being able to buy alliance mounts.

The only real problem with this is obviously battlegrounds. Which is why i would argue all battlegrounds should be neutral conflicts. Like Rachet vs Southsea Freebooters.

>>48583747
Wasn't that originally the plan way back when? At least, you could team up with the other faction for certain quests and you could raise your reputation with them as well.

>>48583773
reps were always just a grind for reward except gimmicks like Wolvar/Gorlocs in Sholazar

>>48583669
Bunch of islands, like Tel'Abim and Zandalar(if it still exists).

>>48583597
What I find hilarious is that I once took my level 100 disc priest to fuck if I can recall the name, the nelf starter village. Because I wanted to make some mooncloth for transmog gear.

A level 1 rogue kept running around me, jumping, asking me over and over
>duel
>duel me
>duel
>duel
and sending me duel invites until I finally sighed, accepted, let them jump around like a retard a little more, then gibbed them with a Solace.

First duel ever on my priest, so I got an achievement from it.

>>48583793
>Trying get Blood Sail rep and still wanting to be in BootyBay.png

>>48583747
The original BGs were in a way third party affairs already. For example, WSG has the Warsong clan and the Sentinels in conflict over the logging of Ashenvale, so they hire mercenaries (ie. the players) to protect the logging operation/wreck the lumber mill. No particular reason (aside from game mechanics) why, say, a human mercenary couldn't work for the Warsong if they pay better.

AU campaign anon here, still hammering out campaign plans. Sleep is merely a setback!

So after discussion with the pair of my regulars that are available, and previous threads, it's pretty much been decided the campaign will start at a nebulous point in time after the Exodar crashes in the nelf's backyard, but before the Dark Portal reopens.

So here's a survey. What would you prefer to tackle first in this scenario?
>The last days of the War of Shifting Sands / Operation: Desert Eyeballs.
>Pushing the Scourge out of the Plaguelands by working alongside the Silver Hand, under the leadership of a crippled but living Uther.
>Trolls, mon.
>Other

>>48584807
In order
Scourge
Trolls
AQ
Other.

>>48584807
I have no idea what this is about, but I am interested

Also, I vote AQ, but trolls could also be super cool depending on whether you're working with them or against them (or both, this is trolls we're talking about)

>>48574038
That's a whole lot of wrong on your list.

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>>48582871
Illidan was going to have a playable faction in TFT but it was cut. I doubt it would have changed much for WoW though, they were always going to have the two factions and if the Nelves didn't get their own faction then Illidan sure as hell wasn't.

>>48586950
I would have fucking loved a Illidan faction. Blood elves, demons, naga, and Dranei all in one army? Yes please.

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>>48572014
one last bump for this request and then into the void?

>>48587100
How would you handle playable demons? Have Felguards and Succubi as the male/female models for a generic demon race, or make them distinct races, or what?

>>48587222
Just male and female eredar would do fine

>>48587359
there were no Illidari eredar. Only Succubi, Felguards and satyrs

>>48587368
I don't remember Illidan having satyrs. Do they show up in TFT and I just forgot about them, or are they a WoW thing?

>>48587473
they were trash mobs in Black Temple. Also there were shivarra and dreadlords too, I forgot about them

>>48587473
He worked with satyrs in TFT, pretty sure. Illidan seems to have the ability to gather new allies for whatever adventure he has planned quite easily. Guy must be a real charmer, or the satyrs are really into the bad boy look.

>>48587222
Actually, i was talking about a playable Illidan Warcraft 3 army. I don't think playable demons would be possible in wow.

>>48588118
I think the playable Illidan faction was going to be just nagas. After all, nagas already had a playable civilisation (or whatever it was called) that you could use in the map editor. Admittedly it was just there for use by enemies and was bare bones.

I was going to say that I can't imagine Blizz making a playable faction with nagas, belfs, satyrs, draenei and demons but then I remembered that actually all the factions are multi-race.

The human faction (that was what they were called, right?) had humans, dwarves, gnomes. Horde had orcs, trolls, tauren. Nelves had nelves, chimaera (whatever happened to them?), gryphons and various flavour of sentient tree. Undead had the corpses of whoever they killed, so every race.

>>48588342
Factions haven't been single-race since Orcs & Humans.

>>48588342
>chimaera (whatever happened to them?),
they went home to Feralas when the Third War ended and then the Cataclysm killed them all

>>48588455
The fate of the chimaeras is a precursor to what's in store for the dragons. How many expansions until the only dragons left are trash mobs and raid bosses?

>>48588654
>How many expansions until the only dragons left are trash mobs and raid bosses?
too many, dragons were a mistake

>>48588654
>How many expansions until the only dragons left are trash mobs and raid bosses?
Well, consider that two of the original aspects of the five Dragonflights are dead. Ysera is going to die in Legion.
One breed is almost completely wiped out, and most breeds are completely useless.

>>48588888
They're not useless

You can still mount them

>>48589076
t. Nekros Skullcrusher

>>48589097
>t. any sane and practical person
FTFY

is there a reason why different Titan complexes have different architecture? did different Titans create Uldum/The Mogu'shan Vaults/Ulduar?

>>48590267
Titan architects are just massive drama queens.

>>48591040
>Golganneth creates the vrykul and storm giants
>Khaz'goroth tells him he's full of shit and sucks ass at building things, then creates the earthen
>Norgannon gets tired of both of them thinking they're tough and creates the mechagnomes
>a few cycles of this later we have tol'vir, mogu, troggs, stone giants, etc.
>cool rocks you guys have there, it'd be a shame if me and my brothers corrupted them all

>>48579986
Eh, I do agree that they should have gone less of a "spaceship" design, but square would be too Scourge.

>>48583507
>Bringing people down to it if they were above it). It would be a bit inorganic but it could have actually kept fighting being so one sided.
I remember someone at Blizzard talking about that, but it just wasn't feasible with the engine back in 2004.
It's possible now, but Blizzard don't give a fuck.
They'll just tell you to get on your main so you can feel real inadequate when you die to the ganking faggot.

>>48588342
>chimaera (whatever happened to them?)
There are some wandering Winterspring.

>>48592147
this. People always say they should look like necropoli, but the nerubians came up with that, not the Legion

>>48583597
I once got attacked by a group of low level players who treated me like a raidboss, it was really fun but then I lagged and windows update force-minimized me and they actually killed me while I tried to re-open the window.

>>48592181
Yuuuuup.

>>48593497
The exact details OF The necropli are based on nerubian architecture yes, but the squarish shape is better than a fucking space ship.

Squares are a fairly flexible shape, it's just a floating hell-castle on a square base, doesn't have to be an outright necropolis.

Even the Exodar didn't look like a spaceship to that degree.

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Summarize your favorite race in 3 words.

>Holy space goats

>>48594098
>smoke'um peace pipe

>>48594098
dancing proto elves

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>>48594098
Sexy spess goat.

>>48594098
We nevah die.

>>48594391
so come on in...
you wanna stay? You stay fo'eva
we gonna bury you here

>>48594098
HFY

>>48594098
Sweet magic crack

>>48594329
Anon, I'm not sure if the Naaru would approve of that pic.

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>>48595568
Ain't that a shame.

>>48594098
Pay me, punk

>ywn be one of the Lich King's chosen Ymirjar and have a thick Val'kyr gf

>>48594329
>>48595596
>ywn be a qt spess goat
>the dream will never be real

Why even live?

About time we moved to the new thread
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