Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

why? the thread is not dead yet

>>46377063
Can't believe that Illidan didn't try to tap this royal butt.

>>46377163
Hard when it loses the butt.

>>46377063
Should the tits be longer than the ears on elfs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Reminder that alleria and turaylon are now neutral and dead.

>>46377475
Slyvanus would have killed them anyway

>>46377475
Presumably dead. We received their "final" message from them.
>If you're watching this, the Legion are coming. You need to gank Balnazzar, Gul'dan and Kil'jaeden.
>We're probably dead, so don't lose sleep over us.
>We love you, son.

>>46377475
Fuck. Just. Fuck.

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>>46377063
Now that is the face of a vain bitch who doesn't care about what she's doing. How badly did Queen Azshara fuck things up for everyone?

>>46377063
Ride it to page ten next time you asshole.

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>>46377572
>her original model for cataclysm actually looked attractive
>people whined on the forums about it
>now she looks like a fucking crackwhore

>>46377735
I'm not sure what saddens me more - that people come up with weirdest, silliest complains for whatever reason (attention? or they just like challenge other people?), or that they get their way if they are loud enough about it.

>>46377735
Her eyes were blatantly the wrong color to anyone who knew the lore.

>>46377797
What was significant about Azshara's eyes?

>>46377853
They were amber like Illidan's used to be, which had extreme significance in their culture at that time.

The problem is that the original model was based on fanart which gave her the wrong hair and eye colors.

>>46377216
Yeah, but when he had the chance she still had one.

Though I bet she still has the means to...invite males to her private chambers.

Also do Naga reproduce somehow? Or do they come out from Spawning Pools ala Warhammer Lizardmen?

>>46377735
>>46377797
>>46377853
>>46377870
I still like the new model, but the old one was fine too.

>>46377966
>Also do Naga reproduce somehow? Or do they come out from Spawning Pools ala Warhammer Lizardmen?
It is a mystery.

>>46378065
>I still like the new model, but the old one was fine too.
The old one was fine, but it wasn't Azshara if it lacked her most notable physical feature.

>>46378065
WCIII had Spawning Pools, but that would be ridiculous if they couldn't reproduce like snakes given the fact that there are males and females.

Also male snakes have two dicks.

>>46378135
They reproduce

>>46378113
NE players need to get Azshara blue and Flamedruid red as skins when they finally give out sub-races.

>>46378135
I think the spawning pools just produced "Food"

>>46378176
>Spawning Pools
>Food

Nope. Those would be Coral Beds. Spawning Pools were the equivalent of Barracks.

>>46377163
I doubt he had a chance. She thought Sargeras of all things was the only one worthy enough to be with her.

>>46378241
I always interpreted Spawning Pools as being where Naga and their pets left their eggs after laying them.

>>46378650
I'm pretty sure she hit on him once and was sleeping with her guard.

>>46378650
>Sargeras

He's a big guy for her.

>>46378739
Hmmm. That would actually be a good interpretation. As in a incubator for their eggs to hatch.

>>46377797
thanks Knaak.

>>46378778
Part incubator, and part that I figured the young would be kind of tadpole-ish for a while and probably couldn't survive on land until they were a little older.

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any more pics like this
tfw no draenei waifu

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>>46378870
I got plenty of pics like these ;)

>>46378794
Are the yellow eyes and long white hair really the problems you have with the design change?

>>46378890
>Tiefling Paladin

>>46378911
Yellow eyes and white hair are when she's supposed to have.
When she was originally inserted, she had blue eyes and black hair and the autists threw bitch fits on the forums over it.

>>46378947
Is there a reason they shouldn't have thrown bitch fits?

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>>46377780
Like the Tracer debacle.

Its amazing what virgins will cry about.

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>>46378940
Oh, yea, forgot about that.
Was poking fun at another anon in an old thread about 4th edition Tieflings.

>>46379025
oh god, what happened now?

>>46378890
moar pls

>>46379025
People complaining about Blizzard fucking up their own lore is a bit different than the Tracer BS.

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>>46378870

I feel you anon

>>46379037
From what little I know, people got super super SUPER FUCKING SALTY about this victory pose. Apparently, Tracer being the "female protagonist" of Overwatch means she's not allowed to be sexualized in poses like this.

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>>46379037
>>46379266
Forgot the picture. But yeah, feminists got mad that their wholesome female hero had a pinup pose.

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>>46379290
>>46379266
It's not even that fucking sexual. Just a bit sexy and a bit cute.
Something feminists should be praising. But no, the loudest voices are the jealous fatties who are pathetically insecure about their fat asses.
Petition for Blizzard to use this pose instead is apparently running in a few places.

>>46379354
It's almost the same problem Bayonetta has: a female (protagonist) who is empowered by her sexuality and confidence should be shunned. In Tracer's case, it's still mostly confidence.

>>46379429
It's the same sluts who proclaim "Don't slut-shame me!" who then turn around and try to shame fiction for being the remotest bit slutty.

>>46378868
That is very well thought out actually.

>>46379537
The original OP said it was along the lines of "this pose doesn't fit Tracer's character."

>>46379290
I've only seen total biscuit's satire and of it and from it looks like one person was complaining about the pose being out of character for sex sells.

Which is honestly bullshit, the character is taunting her defeated enemies a bit by showing off. She's wearing a skin tight, bright yellow suit for fuck's sake. If the possibility of people checking her out was so traumatic she'd be something different or behaving differently with that outfit.

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>>46379354
>That pose

>>46377780

Autism.

I played WoW for some month a couple years ago
The game was awful, the community shit and it was almost impossible to understand what the fuck was happening and why
but Sylvanas... I loved Sylvanas.

So, are people going to actually discuss how to make a workable RPG game with Warcraft's setting, or is that not the point of this thread?

It'd be great if someone could actually fix up the RPG.

>>46380218
>So, are people going to actually discuss how to make a workable RPG game with Warcraft's setting

Play D&D or any one of its million clones.

>>46380218
Occasionally I post about towns or porting the races to other games, but the thread is dominated by lore-arguing and waifu wars.
Just like the god-awful Pathfinder general.

>>46380218
Making a whole game seems like a fantasy, though there have been a few games suggested that could fill that slot.

Iron Kingdoms, Fate, 4e etc.

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>>46380321
c'est la vie.

Lore rage and waifuism are the only reasons these threads have continued for... however long they've been going.

I vaguely regret starting it all.

>>46380321
>lore-arguing
To be fair, if a campaign is going to be run in the Warcraft universe, it helps to understand what we're talking about and what, if anything, may be altered. That's half the fun of these threads: fiddling with the extensive Warcraft lore and seeing what can be pulled out.

>>46380422
That'd be fine if it wasn't the same fucking dueling argument for the last three threads, and just pure shitflinging.
But that's not going to happen.

>>46380323
I could probably do Iron Kingdoms, especially since my players are most familiar with that system.

>>46380218
To be honest I am running mine on a rules light system, better than trying to fix up 3.fuckingshit
Did the character creation yesterday, it was interesting but I feel I am ultimately gming for the a(zeroth)-team

>>46380563
So many "did nothing wrong" arguments I thought I was in a mountain dew label factory.

>>46380568
It has a few races that only need minor adjustments, Nyss getting shadowmeld instead of the frost resist fire vulnerability, more ranged accuracy etc for the transfer of Trollkin to trolls (Espescially jungle trolls, maybe reducing something else in exchange)

Doing playable Orcs, Ogres, Mok'Nathal and Tauren gets complicated because they're all fighting for the same bunch of stats.

>>46380654
Do you give the Trolls a massive bonus to climbing? Lorewise, those guys climb trees, cliff faces, and cave walls without any equipment and at a pretty fast speed too.

>>46380583
That's not a thing to complain about. Throw in some references and see of you're players are in for it.

And please tell me one of the characters is Murdock the Murloc.

>>46377063

Why is that purple woman's boobs so big?

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>Old Gods aren't actually the original owners of Azeroth, they're actually bitch-made Void slaves
>Titans are all dead, genocidal robots who fucked up at every single turn because MUH UNDERSTANDING
>Naaru are literally Light-powered Old Gods who mind-control and corrupt in the same exact ways
>The Burning Legion just wants to fix the fundamentally broken universe before wind-chimes and blueberries ruin it
Where were you when Sargeras did nothing wrong?

>>46377063

Other thread is still up, asshole.

>>46380869
>>Naaru are literally Light-powered Old Gods who mind-control and corrupt in the same exact ways

This isn't true. Naaru are natural beings.

>>46380946
>clouds of fractured light occasionally gathered and blah blah blah
I'm betting we'll find out post-Legion that they were intelligently designed by the Light itself
'sides, they still mind-control and corrupt mortal species.

>>46381046
>'sides, they still mind-control and corrupt mortal species.

No they don't, they just fly through space bringing hope.

>>46381077
They communicate exclusively through forceful telepathy and invoking positive emotions on people (BE NOT AFRAID), they hang around their own personal species of fanatical Light-demons, and they brainwashed an entire army of blood elves. They were perfectly chill with the Titans(known genocidal murderbots), and basically let the Draenei get almost-genocided because "OOOH THE LIGHT".
Plus, may I direct your attention to >>46366311

>>46380869
>>Titans are all dead, genocidal robots who fucked up at every single turn because MUH UNDERSTANDING
Well, that's true enough. Except the robot part.

I mean, it's said that they didn't just leave self-destruct stations on Azeroth, but actually every world they visited just in case they fell into disorder. And this was -before- they even knew about the Old Gods. You have to wonder what their standards must have been like, because there's no point putting that sort of thing there unless you want to make genocide simpler and more convenient. Who knows how many races they destroyed because they weren't satisfied with the results?

>>46381231
>They communicate exclusively through forceful telepathy

They have no mouths.

>invoking positive emotions on people (BE NOT AFRAID)

Oh no, not the power to make people feel good.

> they hang around their own personal species of fanatical Light-demons

Draenai are not demons.

>they brainwashed an entire army of blood elves.

No they didn't.

>They were perfectly chill with the Titans(known genocidal murderbots)

Titans didn't genocide shit, and swore to protect and nurture life.

> basically let the Draenei get almost-genocided because "OOOH THE LIGHT".

Draenei are shit tier compared to Orcs.

>Plus, may I direct your attention to >>46366311 →

Some Holy Demon, so what?

>>46381409
>Titans didn't genocide shit, and swore to protect and nurture life.
Yes they did. Straight from Chronicles.

>The Pantheon also embedded colossal machines in the surface of the worlds that they had shaped. Through these devices, the titans could monitor their worlds—and purge them of life should their evolutionary paths succumb to disorder.

Genocide was an official policy of theirs.

>>46381231

They also eat souls, don't forget that.

>>46381585
When shit became corrupted. Hardly the monsters you make them out to be.

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>>46381231
>they brainwashed an entire army of blood elves
Do what now?

>>46381231
>Lightrezim

Please, let this just be a recycled model for a completely unrelated race.

Blizzard was doing so well with the Chronicles, it finally felt like their shit was in order. Please don't just pile bullshit on top now that you got your slate cleaned up.

>>46381784
the Scryers were originally an army of blood elves fighting for Kael'thas and the Legion

when they they got to Shattrath they put down their weapons and surrendered to the Sha'tar the second they saw A'dal

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>>46381784
>Believing a roasty toasty shitty posty

>>46381791
>Please, let this just be a recycled model for a completely unrelated race.

He's still got screaming skulls on his armour so you never know, demons have been shown to be able to wield the light before.

>>46380218
Ahahahaha. No. For fuck's sake, when people bring up the RPGs and the lore contained in those supplements, they usually get told off immediately for not being canon, for not being real, and for not playing the setting right.

This thread is literally just a /v/-tier thread of waifu wars and shitflinging.

>>46381879
I don't know of any such instances.

I want source material, because I'm not going to believe this shit until I saw it with my own two godforsaken eyes.

>>46382020

I don't recall them ever using the light itself, but I do recall references of them using Lightforge.

>>46381763
"Evolutionary paths succumb to disorder" is a whole fuckton more general than "In case of old gods or demons" anon. It sounds more like a hard reset of the planet if their petri dish didn't grow the particular kind of specimen they were looking for.

>>46382020
>I don't know of any such instances.

Priestess Delrissa.

>>46380218
Most of the time people just ask what system they should use, where people usually reply Iron Kingdoms.

Truth be told, I don't really see anything wrong with the Warcraft and WoW ttrpg apart from some meta aspects, and I don't think you'll ever see anyone capable enough have a serious go at those in these threads.

So the RPG is unsalvageable.

There's also the situation that a lot of people don't really give a concrete idea of what a 'good' warcraft rpg should look like and barely post anything besides campaign hooks.

>>46381998
They get told off citing the RPG supplements as fact, when they weren't considered true canon WHEN THEY WERE WRITTEN.

They're great possibilities, but assuming anything written in the RPGs is accurate when it contradicts WoW is flawed.

It's the different between
>How do I adapt [RPG lore] to a campaign when [WoW lore] contradicts it?
versus
>[RPG lore] is right, even if the writers have introduced lore that very obviously supersedes it.

>>46382096
>"Evolutionary paths succumb to disorder" is a whole fuckton more general than "In case of old gods or demons" anon.

Only because you believe it to be so.
Disorder in the universe is represented by fel magic. Fel magic turns shit into demons.

>>46382158
So phlogiston is much better off being some random quilboar's juice that you use to make a single set of armor, rather than the ubiquitous power-source for most powered technological devices?

Yeah, Kosak and Metzen are definitely much better are coming up with concepts and ideas that surpass the understanding of the world that the RPG books were written with.

>>46382209
>Goblins are getting dumber and don't understand their own technology even though their technology has been shown to get continuously better in the time frame of the games

>>46382209
That's not what anon was saying at all. He didn't say official canon was better, he just said that it was official canon.

The big problem, that lead to a hell of a long debate the other day was a few anons declaring the RPGs as canon, rather than a non-canon source that could be used for ideas to change canon for your own campaigns; which is what actually are good for.

>>46382209
>So phlogiston is much better off being some random quilboar's juice that you use to make a single set of armor, rather than the ubiquitous power-source for most powered technological devices?


The idea that smoke somehow can be re-ignited was an absurd superstition-tier scientific theory that I am almost glad wasn't ever fully made canon in WoW.

It's sorta interesting, I guess it could be trapped elemental energy but literally "Particles you can vacuum up from a smoke cloud" was dumb.,

>>46382244
Actually a pretty interesting concept that would be fun to toy around with. Also explains why damn near all goblin tech ultimately boils down to an explosive. A lot better than [green gnomes].

>>46382276
Who cares about official canon when you're just playing an RPG with friends?

>>46382280
Damn that stupid scientific theory of heat, why would anyone ever believe that even if they did in the real world for some time, even when this is a world filled with elves that live for millennia, magic, and gods? It's just unrealistic.

Does anyone else know that some of the older dungeons got redone to reflect the changes during the Cataclysm? Like how Razorfen lost their escort quest and Lich.

>>46382350
>heroic SM turns Whitemane's Chapeau from one of the best looking hats in the game to the generic MoP cloth hat
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>46382350
>New Scarlet Monastery
Fuck that place is a shitshow. And the loss of Vishas is a real sadness.

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>>46382350
The two most dramatically changed instances after the Cataclysm were the Deadmines and Shadowfang Keep.
>Deadmines: Vanessa VanCleef, secret daughter of Edwin VanCleef, becomes the new leader of the Defias Brotherhood and continues her father's work in the name of vengeance.
>Shadowfang Keep: Arugal is gone. After Lord Godfrey pulls his bullshit with Sylvanas in the wake of the Silverpine Forest zone events, he hides out in SFK.

>>46382346
>Damn that stupid scientific theory of heat, why would anyone ever believe that even if they did in the real world for some time, even when this is a world filled with elves that live for millennia, magic, and gods? It's just unrealistic.
Because they have better ways to study things with said magic.

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>>46382401
Yeah that bullshit was in MoP, the guy burning everything was kinda cool but the rest was shit.

Also in Cata they replaced Stratholme Live Side With Straholme "Dead but a different dead" side, which sucked.

>>46382280
It's supposed to be fucking fantasy you autist, of course it doesn't conform to fucking real world physics jesus fucking christ

>>46382485
>the guy burning everything
You mean Captain Lisp?

>>46382516
Nah, the inexplicably german Ragnaros man.

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>>46382516
Nah, zee german guy in the T11 Mage set (I wanted that set on my Shaman, it just looks so much like elemental ascendant form!)

>>46382510
They have literal elemental fire.

Adding "Phlogiston" between normal "Real world" fire and Elemental fire is stupid.

>>46381231
>BE NOT AFRAID
That's a reference to how angels talk in abrahamic holy texts.

>>46382582
>>46382605
That's who I'm talking about, Flameweaver Koegler.
>Everything must burn. None sfall know the Scarlet Crusade's... sfame.

>>46377572
Badly enough that it split the lands around her kingdom and forced her people to split into two or three different peoples and caused untold amounts of choas and death>

>>46382692
He's german, not lisping.
That's how Jerry sounds.

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>>46377063
By Elune's butt.........Ok I think it is mandatory that I have to post sexy Night Elves if you are gonna start the thread with her.

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>>46382454
>Arugal
I always wanted his shoulders on my warlock.

>>46382826
They're sorta similar to one of the PvP sets.

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>>46382809

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>>46382851
Yeah, his very first, Vanilla set was just the Field Marshal shoulders colored yellow.

>>46380218
I'd like to discuss on how to actually run a warcraft campaign more than anything else really...

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>>46382854
Good man. Keep on posting.

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>>46382925
I don't have any more.
At least not that's safe for blue boards.

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>>46382936
Don't worry others will join in soon enough.

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>>46382978
Indeed.

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>>46383162

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>>46383185

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I'm kinda disappointed in new pics of old gods.

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>>46383339
Good work Gentlemen. Keep it up.

>>46379537
Women cannot stand competition, even if that competition is made of pixels.

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>>46383339
Btw here is a better version of that pictures.

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>>46383339

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>>46382889
Well, go and try to start a discussion. I mostly just want to see the classes and races worked out to be appropriate to the current lore. Things like the height chart and population numbers were obviously fucked up in the old RPG.

If we could figure out how to stat all of the basic things properly, using all of our knowledge of the lore, that would be very helpful.

>>46383404
Yeah, it's a bit disappointing that we only see one of his heads and a single neck.

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>>46383185
I gotta say, I do really like that guy's art style.

>>46383851
In that case, what would the classes be just then? Or are we doing it based off some of the other classes in system? Cuz I dont do number well I just think that it would be better to do asomething for campaign discussions instead.

I just get really hype for the whole idea of taking back Lorderon from the undead, forsaken and scourge.

>>46383981
honestly, instead of the average WoW class, you should be able to pick and choose what particular magical aptitude you want. Thats probably the best thing that chronicle gave us with the venn diagram

>>46382454
>Shadowfang Keep
>Where the Forsaken once again employ the plague.
>An orc shows up to make sure they aren't plaguing the whole damn castle.
>"No, of course not, we diluted the plague!"
>Orc leaves.
>"Oh, we are TOTALLY plaguing this shit. Good thing he's dumb enough to not realize until it's too late!"
And I suddenly wanted to hop on an Alliance character and go murder the fuck out of Sylvanas.

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>>46384007
>ever trusting the Forsaken
Is there a single one that hasn't turned out to be an evil bastard?

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>>46384032

>>46384037
The ones that left the Forsaken. But do they count?

>>46384128
They're still Forsaken in name, but they serve other purposes. For example, there are numerous Forsaken in the ranks of the Argent Dawn.

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>>46384007
Cataclysm made me hate Sylvanas. All that crap how the Lich King has to pay for their crimes and shit, few months later she is doing the same crap Arthas has done so at the end she is no better.

Sometimes I think most of that comes down to the fact that she is pissed off that she didn't find a Sexy Human male like her sisters had.

>>46384157
Yeah, those are the guys I first thought of. They have an alchemist that is ACTUALLY working to cure the plague.

As opposed to Sylvanas "Deploy the Plague" Windrunner.

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>>46384155
More Night Elves.

>>46384037
Most of their NPCs don''t seem too bad, but they're rarely the people in the highest positions of authority.

>>46384037
the guy who just wanted his wife to have his ring back was a pretty chill corpse

>>46384182
That's part of it. Mostly, Sylvanas's issue stems from her initial identity crisis at the end of Wrath. After killing Arthas, she decided there was nothing left to live for and killed herself. Then she discovered she was damned to the Nether alongside Arthas before being resurrected. Sylvanas decided "holy shit, now I know what to live for: preventing my death and damnation." In truth, the val'kyr recruiting, plague-deploying and EK-conquering Sylvanas is, in fact, a paranoid Sylvanas who, for the first time, is terrified of her mortality.

>>46384273
Didn't she try killing herself by jumping off a ledge? When she's really a banshee puppeteering her own damn corpse? I mean, that's how it was in TFT. Hell, Banshee Queen is her title!

>>46384182
Well she did find a sexy human male. They just didn't exactly hit it off...

>>46384345
Yep. After the events of ICC, Sylvanas pitched hereslf off the off of the citadel.

>>46384182
she and arthas were pretty much the same person in different genders. They should have gotten married and made a half elf baby.

>>46384000
so what like choose your magical field and make a class off that?

>>46384345
It's explained. She specifically intended to impale herself on Saronite spires, knowing that the Saronite would obliterate her soul.

>>46384490
>Obliterate her soul
But...why not get a paladin to spam holy light at her so she goes somewhere nice?

I mean fuck Saronite is litreal old god blood that dr- oh fuck that not the corruption again!

>>46384477
basically yes. choosing your shit based off a vanilla wow talent tree system would be a good place to start it off.

>>46384000
I did not like the Chronicle Diagram.

Basing it off of actual Warcraft game spellgroups would be better.

>>46384490
>obliterate her soul.
This was BEFORE she found out she was going to be alone in a dark void for all eternity after death?

Sylvanas is retarded.

>>46384345
Banshees in WC3 died when the unit they possessed died, you never got them back.

>>46384477
I think that would be grossly oversimplifying how the system works. Warlocks tend to use both Fel and Void, while Shadow Priests focus entirely on Void yet have a different approach to it, and so on.

Shaman, Mages, and Warlocks can probably all conjure fire in the right conditions, but they clearly do it differently.

>>46384529
Probably because it's not that simple. Here's the exact passage for what it's worth.

>A thousand feet below, shrouded by the clouds, lay a forest of shattered saronite spikes she had scouted out earlier. The fall alone couldn't kill her: her animate flesh was nigh indestructible. But the spikes, the hardened blood of an Old God, they not only would tear the body apart but would obliterate the soul as well.

>>46384579
yeah, it was just an Idea to base off something.

>>46384610
And banshees in WC3 weren't hero units.

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>>46384579
That's because the Chronicle Diagram is fucking retarded. Like the fact that Fel magic is completely seperate from Arcane magic, and that Necromancy isn't a splinter of Fel magic.

so /wlrpg/ tell me about your campaign and what you are running. I need some ideas.

>>46384617
>her animate flesh was nigh indestructible
wat

>Mages conjuring fire
Shit, it's like you want to get kicked out of the Kirin Tor. What a troublemaker, digging that deep into the riskier aspects of magic. Why can't you be a respectable Mage and just content yourself to Frost and Arcane, Kel?

>>46384741
>Liches specialize in Frost and necromancy.

>>46384605
Oh, the problem with the dark void wasn't that she was alone. She had plenty of company in there. Arthas was there too, as well these pleasant fellows who were torturing them both.

>There were others in the darkness. Things she didn't recognize, because nothing so terrible could exist in the world of the living. Claws tore at her, but she had no mouth with which to scream. Eyes looked at her, but she couldn't look back.

>In the grand landscape of all the world's suffering and all the evils of the infinite, the Lich King was… insignificant. Now the others had her. Surrounded her. Gleeful, tormenting, tearing at her consciousness, delighting in her suffering.

They're probably related to the Void Lords in the current lore.

>>46384709
It isn't completely separate. Fel and Arcane are on the same scale of Order/Disorder, with a loosely comparable relationship to Light/Void or Life/Death.

>>46384741
see from his point of view, it was just another discipline of magic.

>>46384772
The point is: She tried to 'obliterate her soul' BEFORE she knew she was damned to a hellish afterlife.

That makes no sense.

>>46384791
>literally defending Kel'Thuzad

>>46384769
Well, a little strange perhaps for first generation Liches, but from the second wave that were members of the Cult of the Damned, it's hardly surprising that Dalaran-trained mages would be gifted in Frost magic, given that it is one of the two primarily supported curricula.

I did always find it odd that they didn't give Kel'Thuzad and other liches didn't at least have some Fire spells, given that it is the magical gateway drug into the perversion of dark magic.

>>46384818
welcome to warcraft.
BTW, if you guys are planning to do a campaign, try tackling low to mid tier threats with your murderhobos.

For example, Druid of the blade is a pretty good fanfic where the Villain is a mid tier villain. The kind you now kill at the end of a questing zone and get a blue item off, while leveling.

>>46384864
>literally defending

He was literally the same as jaina, always studying and trying to find magic. By the time he realized the deep shit he was in, it was too late.


Also liches in Wc3 were technically orc shamans.

>>46384818
I think that was just to destroy her Banshee form.

I don't feel like rereading the whole thing, but she still seemed to expect to go to "heaven" in the end.

>Her thoughts returned to that place of bliss, her half-remembered glimpse of what lay beyond. Home. It was time.

>>46384864
>Fire magic is a gateway to fel magic
You better have a stronger justification for this bullshit than "Kael'thas did it."

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>>46384968
So it's just poorly written so the intent doesn't get across, rather than being completely retarded?

>>46384900
>welcome to warcraft.
Nope. She wasn't trying to dodge the afterlife or anything. Just completely kill herself.
>>46384968
Found the relevant part.
>Her work was done, and her long-denied reward awaited her. Longing for that forgotten bliss, she allowed herself to fall backward from the top of Icecrown Citadel.

She actually thought she'd go to heaven.

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>>46384997
Well, her thinking that she'd still go to heaven was pretty retarded, but that's pretty much it.

>>46384182
I nean she and kel'thuzad hung out quite a bit when arthas was away doing something....i think he was in hyjal? I dont remember

>>46384741
Kel'Thuzad also has acess to fel magic. I imagine he has fire spells but prefers not to use them, for one reason or another.

>>46384947
This is part of the reason why I like him so much. Hes just a guy that got in a little over his head, now he's stuck and making the best out of the situation. I mean he has a cat and wants hugs!

Also hes an immortal archlich, one of the most powerful magic wielders on the planet and has a sexy voice

>>46385246
>and has a sexy voice
Blizzard should just have Michael McConnohie voice every single male character they write

>>46384709
>>46384772
>It isn't completely separate. Fel and Arcane are on the same scale of Order/Disorder, with a loosely comparable relationship to Light/Void or Life/Death.
But that's not the relationship Arcane and Fel always had before.

Before Chronicles they were almost exactly the same thing.

>>46384818
Not literally obliterate, just to make sure she didn't float back out in Banshee form.

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>>46381077
Speaking of this, it seems like Paladins are getting a Dreadlord follower. There's no context on it yet, but it's probably related to why this picture exists.

http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=216926/follower-leothraxion
http://legion.wowhead.com/npc=109105/leothraxion

Rejoice everyone! Dreadlord Paladins and reverse corruption are now officially things.

>>46385338
I suppose that's just the fate of all things Blizzard, retconning around every time they forget about established canon.

>>46385341
...yep, seems that's just the way of things.

>>46385341
>reverse corruption
Why is this always so good?

>>46385370
because blizzard is playing along with their meem

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>>46385323
That's a better idea than SWTOR did by hiring Steve Blum for every single male voice.

>>46384617
>tfw you realize that random writefagging on /tg/ is superior to what blizzard puts on their website.

>>46384273
What if this was all just a contingency from the LK?

Like the Val'kyr just randomly show up and tell her that they will help her and pledge their loyalty?

What if the real plan is to get her to res as many people as possible, so the older strong willed forsaken become rare and all the LK has to do is subjugate Bolvar and the EK is just his because the new guys can't resist the call like the OG ones did?

>>46385678
too subtle for blizzard.

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On top of just being an awful raid, the Deathwing raid didn't even have him drop his Hooka as a DPS trinket.

>>46385678
The only "Out" blizzard has to not have Sylvanus die is to say the Val'kyr have been at least partly mind controlling her.

>>46385756
But the Val'kyr are all dead now, aren't they?

>>46385842
I really wanted thassarian going through a few of them just to spite Sylvanas.

>>46384864
Cold and darkness (Necromancy) should probably be closer to to each other than fire.
Given that both are aspects of entropy and fire is the literal opposite of that.

That said, there are still fire enchanted undead (like effigies) though they are much more rare.

Kel'Thuzad actually knew all schools of magic extremely well and was a powerful member of the council. I think he might have had his frost and shadow magic amplified to insane levels becoming a lich though because he is a (un)living conduit of it and he plays to his strengths.

>>46385421
>Steve Blum
>Not killing Blood Ravens for the glory of the Black Legion

Well of course it was a bad idea.

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>>46385870
A lot of people forget that Kel'Thuzad was on the Council of the Six, and it takes a great deal of magical know-how to be a part of that.

>>46385842
No, three of them died saving her at the Gilneas Gates, a few more may have died in Andorhol, but not all of them died there.

>>46385870
>That said, there are still fire enchanted undead (like effigies) though they are much more rare.
Flaming archers were super common in WC3, heck all the elements had mergers with undeath in teh form of revenants.

Fire's just where it is to be closer to Fel.

>>46385870
>Fire Undead
Primarily come from orcish pyremasters, really. And those are probably more elementals than true undead in any fashion, simply swaddling the bones of the dead much in the way that mages bind them through bracers.

>Cold and and necromancy should be closer than fire
Except that goes contrary to all of Azeroth's magical theory, as there is a simply progression of magical purity starting from the most ordered and restrained leading to the increasingly volatile and corrupting.

Arcane > Frost > Fire > Fel/Necromancy

>>46385756
>Deathwing with hookah
Where is this from??

>>46385988
>people still think fel is closer to darkness than light

m8, Sagaras isn't even the "bad" guy anymore.

>>46385943
Revenants were always so fucking dope. One of my favorite groups of enemies from WC3, and it was my original RP set for my paladin back in the Vanilla / BC / Wrath days. Revenant Plate, Long Silken Cape, no helm, and for a weapon either the Gizmotron Megachopper or Sul'Thraze. Was really pleased to see at least some of them return in Wrath. Sort of surprised we didn't see more in Cata, but then again, that entire xpack was a shitshow.

>>46385943
Friendly reminder that archmages' basic attack in WC3 was a fireball.

>>46385988
Fel and Necromancy are different schools shit lord.

Just because OG DKs used both doesn't mean they are the same thing.

>>46386094
So, uh, who's that Lich King again? Imprisoned warlock, yeah? And what exactly were death knights? Orcish warlocks in the bodies of men?

Huh.

>>46386029
Lord of the Clans, a cancelled adventure game.

>>46386136
Ner'zhul was a shaman, the only warlock magic he ever used was opening the portals on Draenor

>>46385925
I wonder if he still has any cult followers in Dalaran?

It would be funny if the vary society dedicated to stamping out the problem ended up it's safest host and allowed them to take root again.

>>46385894
Steve was also Cyrus and Martellus.
So he was Alpha Legioning it up.

>>46386136
Didn't he just say they used both but they aren't the same thing?

>>46386136
The Warlock Death Knights were Gul'Dan's handiwork in the Second War.
Ner'zhul's Death Knights stole the name, and were comprised of any dead hero given a bunch of power for the sake of WoW.

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>>46386136
Well they are different magics.

>>46386253
Ner'zhul Death Knights used to be mortals who willingly sacrificed their freewill for power; but it makes them harder PCs to relate to so Blizz made them res'd people instead who were made more powerful for shits and giggles.

Better to be a victim than an asshole, I guess.

>>46386044
>Sort of surprised we didn't see more in Cata, but then again, that entire xpack was a shitshow.
Yeah you saw a few revenant models in Skywall and scattered around in other packs but generally revenats were ignored. You'd think mass death and elementals would spawn a lot of them.

>>46386136
>>46386185
A death Focused shaman turned dark shaman.

>>46386315
The fuck is that hideous chart? Some fan shit, or something?

>Undead listed as different from the Legion as the Ancients and the Titans
>Fucking up the Elemental Chaos with retarded Spirit and Decay spheres in the mix

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>>46386388
WELCOME TO ACTIVISION-BLIZZARD ANON

>>46385323
Tho, of all the characters he voices, kt is the only one i'd want to get boned by. Very little porn

>>46386200
I would be surprised if he didn't maintain a spy network.

>>46386388
That's the real deal, fuck head.

The Fel magic is closer to light than darkness and Necromancy is it's own distinct school. Like everyone was trying to tell you.

>>46386388
>>46386417
>>46386460
Proximity on the chart doesn't matter nearly as much as what's opposite of what.

Stop getting but hurt over the damn image and learn what it means first.

>>46386388
The element of spirit/life/the wilds has always been a thing for shaman.

They just made it a semi-distinct thing from general life and nature magic.

I overall dislike that wheel and don't plan to use most of it.

>>46386417
Fuck, that's pathetic. Glad I dropped the game before they beat the dead horse and then raised it as a DK mount.

>>46386460
Go back to licking Kosak's nutsack, shitbird.

>>46386495
>I overall dislike [modern Blizzard] and don't plan to use [any] of it.
About my views on the setting nowadays, too.

Who /ignoring blatantly shitty lore from Chronicle but still salvaging the interesting bits for personal use/ here?

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>>46386422
>kt is the only one i'd want to get boned by
>i'd want to get boned by
>boned by
>bone

How humerus, anon.

>>46386545
everyone

>>46386330
>Better to be a victim than an asshole, I guess.

Fucking tumblr.

Not you, anon, but that idea sounds like some tumblr shit

You know what chronicle totally leaves out.

MOTHERFUCKING DINOSAURS EVERYGODDAMN WHERE
Also how Gnolls are from Eastern Kingdoms and Hyenas are all in Kalimdor.

>>46386631
Well, Kalimdor was unreachable until the events of RoC when the mists parted, but the Kingdom of Azeroth still used a lion as its emblem despite the creatures only existing on Kalimdor.

And the Not-Muslims of Tanaris managed to spring up in 4 years leading up to the start of Vanilla.

>>46386614
No, I completely agree you.

Loss of agency isn't nearly as bad as being thought of as a big meanie to those fucking hug box morons.

>>46386631
>MOTHERFUCKING DINOSAURS EVERYGODDAMN WHERE
It's a fantasy world. Same with it having two moons. It's just how it worked out.
>Also how Gnolls are from Eastern Kingdoms and Hyenas are all in Kalimdor.
Maybe the hyenas in the Eastern Kingdoms after the sundering evolved into gnolls, while the ones in Kalimdor didn't?

>>46386614
I think it's more that having Acherus death knights get fucked over by the Lich King gives players that don't know the lore a reason to want to fight him. Beyond raid drops, that is.

If the PC DKs willingly signed up for it and joined the Scourge for power, it would conflict with all the other PCs that want to stomp in the Scourge's skulls.

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>>46386422
>Tho, of all the characters he voices, kt is the only one i'd want to get boned by
>not Uther
come on son

>>46377529
You expected the two most requested and hardcore Alliance/Anti-Orc characters in Warcraft to put in an appearance? You should know Kosak and Metzen better than that by now. There's no way either of them could be written as pro-horde in any way or form, so of course they're going to be killed off offscreen.

Look at it this way, with Turyelon and Alleria dead by author fiat, there's no way for them to get the Jaina treatment and be called evil for daring to hold any horde power to task for their actions. It's ultimately a net win for the Alliance.

>>46386719
Also, the Death Knight class is based on Arthas, who was turned into an undead warrior against his will, because of Frostmourne fucking with his soul.

The PCs take after WC3 DKs more than the previous versions.

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>>46386666
>And the Not-Muslims of Tanaris managed to spring up in 4 years leading up to the start of Vanilla.
That's fucking bullshit written by an intern. There are Ancestral Guardian spirits in Uldum which are humans.

Oh, and add your own text. I couldn't think of anything.

>>46386631
aren't there hyenas in the Badlands?

the hyenas in Khaz Modan and Kalimdor never evolved but the ones in Azeroth did

>>46386614
I agree. At least in this dichonomy (asshole v victim) being the asshole means you have agency. Not everyone makes great choices, but they still make them and then deal with the consequences.
Tumble is gay

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>>46386666
>And the Not-Muslims of Tanaris managed to spring up in 4 years leading up to the start of Vanilla.

Checked, but what? I stopped playing in WOTLK, I don't remember any muslims in Tanaris, just trolls and pirates.

>>46386802
The Wastewander are led by Caliph Scorpidsting.

>>46386785
>Tumble is gay
When it isn't a non-binary, gender fluid, polysexual sentient rainbow with a human fursona.
Man, I'm trans and asexual and tumblr can still make me balk at times.

>>46386802
They show up more in Uldum.

>>46386802
The Wastewander Bandits, who live out in the middle of the desert, take their orders from a Caliph, and profit off of goblin water wells.

>>46386772
Badlands had Coyotes using the lowest tier of wolf model.

The Argent Crusade USED to have Hyenas up through Cata but Cata revealed they were just placeholders for hunting dogs.

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>>46386848
This kuffar is a pretender, he will be dealt with appropriately.

>>46386573
Wakka wakka, ain't I a stinker?

>>46386802
>>46386831
>>46386848
>Not setting yourself up as a merchant king along a desert trade route.

>>46386880
Or the fighting with undead drove all the domesticated hyenas to extinction, so now they're using hunting dogs instead.

>>46386901
Can't wait for the goblins to exterminate you entirely in order to gain full control of those water wells. It's bad enough that you claim Gadgetzan has no right to exist as a state, but between their weapons and that of the Free World supporting their Greatest Ally, your days are number, raghead.

>>46386880
>we will never have Knights of the Silver Hand that use Hyena heraldry

>>46386949
I want this to happen so bad

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I like how the WoW comic used the WEC3 whelp size to make them actually intimidating instead of silly.

>>46386848
>>46386802
Wastewander are a nuttier band of ex-southseas pirates.

>>46386932
>Or the fighting with undead drove all the domesticated hyenas to extinction, so now they're using hunting dogs instead.
I think they have the same exact names. And Hyenas are not exactly fond of Lordaeron type weather I'd Imagine.

>>46386956
>>46386949
I mean there was probably one with Gnollslayer heraldry, but that's not quite as cool.

>>46386756
>Arthas, who was turned into an undead warrior against his will

Bull fucking shit, Arthas knew what he was doing was wrong but did it anyway.
No one put a gun to his head and made him pick up that fucking sword.

He may not have grasped the full consequence, but the reason his story was good at all was because he chose his path.

>>46386989
Well yeah, he chose to pick up the sword without knowing the full consequences. That's what makes the turning undead part against his will.

He didn't sign up for "Take away my free will and turn into the same monsters I'm fighting so I can have the power to fight them."

I'm not saying he did no wrong, I'm just saying he may have hesitated if he knew exactly what he was signing up for. Though it is Prince Dickhead we're talking about here, so maybe he'd have still grabbed the sword, I don't know.

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>>46386940
Inshallah, we will chase the hooknoses from their fortress and make the streets run red, for we know their is no better blood than the blood of the goblin.

>>46386986
>Wastewander are a nuttier band of ex-southseas pirates.
Which doesn't explain the human Ancestral Guardian spirits already present in Uldum.

>>46386986
is that jaina?

and can you upload the comics somewhere?

>>46386989
I'm still just pissed that they neutered the immediately consequence by having Muradin live. As much as I loved him, be deserved to stay dead to give that scene real impact about just how far Arthas was willing to go and just how much he would lose.

Then again, given the current situation in Ironforge, I've just stopped caring about that in Cata, and it's only gone downhill since.

>>46387040
Because Blizzard doesn't give a shit.

>>46387021
He knew the sword was cursed and he didn't care, he still had choice and agency.

He elected to take the consequences in spite of what they were to do what he believed needed to be done.

>>46387072
At least the three hammers situation is an interesting political conflict that may actually go somewhere. Eventually. In a few more expansions.

>>46387040
>Ancestral Guardian spirits
For that holiday?

That shit's 90% joke man.

>>46387051
There's a torrent out there somewhere. Had everything but Vol'jin and the free short stories that are up on the website.

>>46387072
>I'm still just pissed that they neutered the immediately consequence by having Muradin live. As much as I loved him, be deserved to stay dead to give that scene real impact about just how far Arthas was willing to go and just how much he would lose.
Arthas thought he was dead and didn't even give enough of a shit to bend down and check his fucking pulse.

That's even Colder.

>>46379034
Doing god's work, anon.

>>46387095
And PC DKs knew they were fighting undead with a penchant for raising their slain enemies as more of their own.

They also showed signs of resisting the Lich King's control throughout the starting zone, which culminates in all the surviving DKs saying "fuck this" and turning on the Lich King.

Really, they had exactly as much agency as every other player character that follows quest chains.

>>46387099
>Magni a fuckin' pile of rock
>Muradin just a cold nigga that allowed Nazi Soviets a say in his people's affairs
>Moira either a clan-betraying slut with the death of her escort on her hands, or she's a Stockholm syndrone'd rape victim who is pushing for her rape-baby to become the future Me'dan of the dwarves

>>46387183
>Falstad the total bro that's just raiding the booze stockpile before going back to crushing Dragonmaw skulls.

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>>46387102
>For that holiday?
No. They're ghosts defending a spot in Uldum.

Anyhow, I know for a fact that the thing about them being lost pirates was written by an intern.

>>46387199
You'll note I left Falstad out of my complaints, because the hill digger's literally just the broest of bros. Perhaps the most bro-tier duder in the whole of Azeroth, and definitely in terms of Faction Leaders.

>>46382146
Ingame healing mechanic doesn't equate the usage of the Light.

>>46387238
I wonder how the situation would change if Brann came back.

Where the hell IS Brann, anyway? He kind of dropped off the face of the plot after the Hall of Origination, from what I recall.

Though he does have a literal MOUNTAIN of Titan artifacts to hold his attention these days.

>>46387183
>Me'dan of the dwarves
What a horrible fate to wish on the kid.

>>46387221
Could be that when those early Human tribes were setting up shop in the Eastern Kingdoms, some decided "Shit, lets be Vikings like our HUGE ancestors", and kept island hopping across the South Seas till they hit Kalimdor.

>>46387148
The difference being that Arthas asked for the power, damning the circumstance and the PC's were just unfortunate enough to be raised sapient.

There still isn't choice on their behalf, if they had chosen to be Death knights at the expense of their freewill it would work more like Arthas because they are bargaining darkness for power no matter what it turns them into or whatever curse will follow.

>>46387312
Kalimdor was unreachable until the events of RoC, shrouded in mists just like Pandaria was. It's the reason there was never any knowledge of it or its people, even as you have major naval powers plying the seas.

>>46387345
I believe people just avoided trying to cross the Maelstrom, Goblins had long plied all major continents bar Pandaria.

>>46387312
I always went with the simplest explanation. The whole thing used to be one continent, so some Vrykul or Humans probably just wandered over there before the Night Elves blew everything up.

It's not that hard to explain, as long as we don't forget the Pangaea thing.

>>46377063
I thought the Highborn were pale skinned like the Blood/High elves

>>46387345
Kalimdor was reachable, it's just that no one on the Eastern Kingdoms made it there and back.

>>46387412
Not for the most part. The Sunstrider lineage always had a few atypical features for Night Elves, but the rest of the Highborne looked pretty much like the rest.

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>>46387445
Nope, after the Quel'Dorei left in exile, the kaldorei enshrouded Kalimdor in mist and retreated from the world. The barrier was broken during Reign of Chaos, either by the Legion in the build-up to the Battle of Hyjal or by Medivh as he led the Outcasts to Kalimdor for the Battle of Hyjal.

Straight from in-game lorebooks:
>The surviving Kaldorei, now known as night elves, abandon the use of arcane magic. They seclude themselves near Mount Hyjal and the World Tree and begin practicing a safer form of divine nature magic. In the following years, they exile the arcane-addicted Highborne and enshroud Kalimdor in mist.

>>46387506
on the other hand, goblins were always there, the watchers even had a cache of landmines present

>>46387549
>game mechanics come above fluff

Okay. Besides, goblins are an expansionistic trade empire that passive shits explosives and unexploded ordinances wherever they go.

Do you not beleive they'd have swept in as soon as the barrier went down, preying upon the Horde remnants eagerly for coin and profit? Besides, every major goblin settlement on Kalimdor is on the eastern half of the continent which makes it seem even more likely that they simply sailed in as soon as they could and started exploiting whatever terrain they landed in. There's no real reason to believe that the goblins had been there for any extensive period of time, and if they had been, do you really think they wouldn't be selling Kalimdor imports to human nobles back home?

>>46387199
isn't Falstad dead?

>>46387660
No, but his brother Kudran lost his Gryphon.

>>46387635
>do you really think they wouldn't be selling Kalimdor imports to human nobles back home?
They saw more value in secrecy, also apparently there WERE some Thunderlizards in the Stratholme zoo.

>>46387635
on the other hand Tyrande knew enough about goblins and their devices that she knew how to use them. Also the goblin lumbercamp was deep inland

>>46387718
>a character new how to use an item in the same game that it explains right clicking as part of a vision
The lumbercamp was in Ashenvale, which is just the biggest fuckheug collection of lumber anywhere on the continent. Ratchet and Gadgetzan, both a stone's from from the sea. Fuck if I have any idea how Everlook got founded, but it seems like Blizzard always want a goblin area in the snowy zones.

>>46387711
Really? I honestly don't remember that. First time I really remember seeing them was Thunder Ridge. Which was pretty pathetic when it actually got implemented in WoW. Same for the Echo Islands.

>>46387769
>Really? I honestly don't remember that. First time I really remember seeing them was Thunder Ridge. Which was pretty pathetic when it actually got implemented in WoW. Same for the Echo Islands.
Most people don't have time to look at the zoo unless they're playing on easy or have cheats on.

>>46387769
>goblin area in the snowy zones
Even more amusing, they also tend to more or less serve as Warcraft Kathmandu, as well. Everlook's primary draw is the fact that it's the last speck of civilization before people attempt to climb Hyjal and reach the Summit, while K3's inspiration seems pretty heavily drawn from Everest Base Camp with a name pointing towards the neighboring and second-tallest peak.

>>46387769
>but it seems like Blizzard always want a goblin area in the snowy zones.
>tfw no Outland Frostfire for there to be Goblins in

>>46387832
I would personally argue that the hyjal climb starts with Felwood.

>>46384182
Didn't Sylvanas have a human friend even before turning into zombie, the guy who would turn after her to become Blightcaller?

>>46387973
Just quoting the RPG books.

>This town is the last point of civilization before reaching Hyjal Summit. It is run by goblins as a trading post and is officially neutral to all races and factions. Even so, pilgrims allowed to venture up to the World Tree stop here, but otherwise this is the highest that merchants and explorers may venture without the night elves’ permission. Everlook would offer a commanding view of Kalimdor, if it were not at such a high altitude that clouds constantly shroud the mountain’s lower flanks.

>Everlook is the only major goblin outpost in northern Kalimdor, and it serves several purposes. First, it serves as the base of operations for goblin thorium and arcanite miners, since Winterspring has some of the fewest untapped veins of those materials on the continent. Second, it serves as a center of trade between the Alliance and the Horde. While Everlook is hardly as safe as Moonglade, generally the Alliance and the Horde treat each other fairly well there. Additionally, Everlook is a frequent stop-off and resupply point for the faithful who make the pilgrimage through Winterspring to Hyjal Summit. The town is also an outpost of the Thorium Brotherhood, a group of self-righteous Dark Irons who think they are the best smiths in existence. Lead by Malyfous Darkhammer, the brotherhood sells their thorium goods for ridiculous amounts of gold.

>>46388038
Yup, the first and only human Ranger Lord.

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>>46387832
I miss running through the demon infested area in the old south of Winterspring and using the untuck command to get past the invisible wall behind the gate and wander into Hyjal in Vanilla.
Was really fun to see, especially when you get to the world tree itself and see the "Blizzard Construction Co" signs. And the pool under the tree was fun shenanigans. I(as a warlock) would get a couple friends and summon people at the bottom. If I didn't hit them with Unending Breath, they'd drown before they could reach the surface. Then they'd have to rez at the graveyard since there was no way back as a ghost.

>>46388049
Yeah. It is the last point before the summit not owned by nightelves, but the WHOLE of northern kalimdor above ashenvale and Darkshore is Hyjal. That's how fucking big it is.

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>That time when Arthas was the lead guitarist of Tenth Level Tauren Chieftain.

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>>46388340
>tfw ETC isn't on metal archives

>>46387711
>No, but his brother Kudran lost his Gryphon.
Poor Sky'ree. At least Sky'reen is doing okay. You can see her in the garrison stable, at least on the Alliance side.

>>46387832
K2, always second best to Everest.

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So who's ready for the final annihilation of the Scarlet Crusade at the hands of the Ebon Blade?

>>46388859
I thought the Scarlet Onslaught - the last desperate gasp of the Crusade - was wiped out in Northrend?

>>46388859
I-m unreasonably bothered by the lack of the number 6 in that image

>>46388879
Because Whitemane is the only Scarlet Crusader in that picture who doesn't need identifying.

>>46388876
It was, but until Legion the Scarlet Monastery was still occupied by remnants that were reinforced with survivors from the Onslaught

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What do you guys think of the nerubians? I've always had a thing for Egyptian themed civs. Personally I'd like to have a bit more lore on them as well as have them a bit more relevant

>>46388909
the nerubians are pretty cool, but sadly they chance to shine was cut down by Blizzard when developing Northrend

At least their instances are really good-looking

>>46388909
At this point, I think it's best they stay obscure.

The writing team's tendency to take previously-obscure things and develop them leads to them being ruined either because the ideas were poorly implemented, or because bringing them out of obscurity takes away the fun (Old Gods).

>>46388918
They cut out an entire faction and city and only left two instances for Azjol-Nerub. Shit's lame.

>>46388909
the whole concept of the zombie army having foreign auxiliaries is cool, and Anub'arak was pretty neat

>>46388933
>They cut out an entire faction and city
Which ones?

>>46388944
The Nerubians. Azjol-Nerub was going to be an entire city unto itself, and the Nerubians were going to be a reputation faction.

>>46388949
>Azjol-Nerub was going to be an entire city unto itself
is there any proof of that? I mean, I know the RPG told us about it, but from the WOTLK beta, was there ever anything hinting at a bigger city?

>>46388961
There's some Dev posts out there about it, but the idea was scrapped (along with the troll raid to tie up the Drakkari story) to focus more on Northrend.

>>46388970
So it's not cut content then, it's just something tht was never really worked on to be implemented

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>>46382178
Didn't Algalon in Wrath pretty much say that he considered free will to be a sign of corruption, and was going to purge Azeroth untill the players beat the shit out of him, which convinces that maybe this "free will" thing might be on to something.

Based on that, I'd assume the Titans consider any life forms not programmed to obey their will without question as "succumbing to disorder".

>>46388995
I think Algalon was about to have the world wiped out because of old god corruption rampant throughout ulduar, not because of titan-made races developed free will.
Admittedly old god corruption is also responsible for present day form of azeroth's sapients, but there was no old god will directly commanding them.
As opposed to tentacle porn monsters found at multiple raids and dungeons.

>>46388932
>or because bringing them out of obscurity takes away the fun (Old Gods).
Nah. I think that's just poor implementation again. They probably should have played up the "god" angle more.

My favorite bits of Old God lore aren't a much of silly tentacles, but rather the Qiraji and Mantid preaching about their gods or what they believe their gods will bring them. If I was going to do Old Gods, I'd do them simply as the strange Gods of inhuman races with different values.

There's no need for a lazy corruption angle, though I'm fine with it being a sort of flawed assimilation.

What I want to see is going into a lot of detail on the Old Gods, with myths detailing their interactions with one another and absolutely every tidbit of their general attitude and history, but all from the perspective of cultures who have long worshiped them. I want to see the stories the Aqir tell of the days the Gods were free from the confines of the Usurpers, when the world was a true paradise in their eyes and their people blessed with the direct presence of the divine.

Obscurity just isn't the problem. It's how little there was to reveal that sucks.

>>46388961

There is some concept art lying around and some developer notes about Azjol-Nerub being a subcontinent under Northrend with the Nerubian city ruled by their last Queen. Apparently they were supposed to be a major player in Northrend and in the fall of Lich King, but all of that was scrapped.

I missed out. Why do people hail Ulduar as arguably the best raid in all of Warcraft?

>>46389206
interesting. It's obvious that with WOTLK, Blizzard tried to chew more than it could

The Scarlet Onslaught plotline went nowhere and Crystalsong was made useless due to technical difficulties

>>46389223
I remember they said the Argent Tournament was originally going to be held in Crystalsong, but the tournament grounds combined with Dalaran made the region so laggy as to be unplayable.

>>46389236
yup

that's why Crystalsong has litterally no uses

>>46389219
because from a storytelling perspective it was awesome, and the hard mode was implemented beautifully

>>46386666

Stranglethorn Vale.

>>46386666
Maybe there used to be lions in EK but they went extinct. The used to be lions in southern Europe (and during the last interglacial in central Europe as well) until the Romans hunted the last onces to extinction.

>>46388995
It was the guy in Dalaran that had a hard-on for the whole free will thing.

Algalon basically went
>Nope, don't care about you, Old Gods gotta get nuked.
Then you smack him down and he changes his tune to
>Okay, maybe I was wrong. Oh shit, maybe I was wrong about those other races, too...
>Here's the "all clear" code to broadcast to the Titans.
He spells it out that at 'a million, million' lives have been wiped out. But again, that's because old gods getting free is a way, WAY bigger deal, on a cosmic scale, than a planet or two getting wiped out.

Fortunately, Azeroth has murder hobos that can wreck Old God shit.

>>46389219
Because not only did it have a great story, it also had the best mechanics in the game, ever.

You can beat Ulduar in full blues if your entire team knows EXACTLY what they are doing, no gear check at all.
No other raid accomplished that goal before.

Quick question : how old is Metzens daughter? Because if she's legal, I wonder if her father's corruption fetish has transferred to her....

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>>46388909
>Nerubians
>lacking lore
Check out the RPG supplement on Northrend, it gives you a heavy dose of lore about the Nerubians, both in terms of pre-Fall society and their current state. Pretty dope section as well, and you also get some really neat fluff about Azjol-Nerub.